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city of Titusville City Council special recognitions and presentations meeting May 26, 2026 at 5:30. I call this meeting to order for the invocation. We'll hold a moment of silence, please. >> Thank you very much. Please stand for
the pledge. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
>> Thank you very much, city manager. >> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and members of council. We have three items on this evening special recognitions and presentation. The first is 4A. The Titusville Police Department will give a
presentation on the school's own camera program. I almost said good morning. I'm still thrown off that it's Tuesday. Good afternoon, mayor, member of council. We're hoping that after this uh presentation of the first 60 days of the
automated school zone speed enforcement program uh sheds more light on this program uh answers any questions that you may have. We also understand that there will probably be questions after our presentation. Uh and if that's the case uh you're more than welcome to give us a call and we'll help walk you through it and try to answer any
questions we can. We've found over the last 60 days when we've been able to make inerson contact with anybody that has questions, it's helped clarify everything. So to start this off, this is the automated speed zone enforcement program through ultimate, not flock cameras that
has nothing to do with flock. Yes, they capture the car's description and the tag, but it's not flock cameras. So complete separate entity. These cameras detect a vehicle speed and went over that 11 mile per hour threshold. captures a photograph of the vehicle,
the tag, and then there's a series of approvals that it goes through verification processes both with the vendor, then it comes to our department where our officers verify the information before sending out the warning or any future citations. Very similar to that, the fact of tolls,
uh the cameras in the toll zone, same exact concept. Again, we decided on this after conducting speed studies in our school zones. Three separate uh speed studies were done to make sure there was no anomalies. And just to bring our attention back to
some of that studies, Oak Park and Madison Middle School, 76% of the drivers were captured during those studies traveling 11 miles per hour or higher than the posted speed limit. Coina had 64% and Park Avenue Christian Academy was 48%. Those were three of the
or the four of the highest ones that we saw during the study. And what we're doing here is leveraging the technology as a strategic goal for our city. And that's exactly what this product does and is intended to do. Find my mouse here. It's a little hard to see on the screen.
I'm going to try to zoom in for members of our audience and folks that are viewing in. But I handed out to council Florida Department of Transportation's uh traffic safety matrix and it breaks it down into three different groups of
cities. Group one, group two, group three. Titusville falls into group two. So basically the population of 15,000 to 74,999 and there's 105 cities that fall into that category. What they do is they break down the
reasons for traffic crashes that lead to fatal fatalities or serious bodily injury. And there's 10 breakdowns for those. Aging road drivers, um, distracted driving, speeding, and aggressive driving is one of the other
ones. Titusville ranks third out of 105. And that third is not a good number. That's third worst out of those 105 cities. So, our department takes a serious stance on speeding and aggressive driving as well as these other 10 categories that are up here.
And if you can see on your sheet, every category is highlighted red, which means we're in the top 40th percentile of those areas being an issue that lead to traffic crashes with fatalities or serious bodily injury. So, it's another reason why we're leveraging the technology for our school zones to slow
the traffic down. So this technology has not changed the way the law reads. So from the time I remember starting driving to possibly the most elderly person in this room remembers when they started driving. Nothing has changed with the law as far
as when the reduced speed zone is. is typically in the arrival time and typically in the dismissal time 30 minutes before for an hour in the morning and 30 minutes at the end of the day for the last hour of school. That is the reduced speed limit uh time of the
day when that reduced time is in effect. All the other times in the middle of the day is the normal posted speed limit. So again, nothing has changed with the way the law reads as far as when those times are reduced. Now there's just a camera there. Come on.
And then the last thing before I turn it over to Major Gonzalez who's going to run through this the stats of everything is the school zone. There's a lot of topic of this school zone at THS Title High School in front of the school. So on Washington Avenue, that is not a designated or properly marked school
zone, th that sign is a yellow sign. So it's an advised sign. So very similar to if you're getting off the interstate and you're coming off the exit and it's a a yellow sign that says 45. I hate to say it, but that's a recommended advised speed to navigate that curve or median
safely. So that is just an advised zone, not a not an enforceable school zone in front of ths. just to put that out there and that's on the Washington side. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Major Gonzalez who's going to run through some statistics of everything, kind of show where we've been and some
lessons that we've learned during this first 60 days, and then I'll close it out. >> Good evening, council. So, my name is Major Jeremy Gonzalez. I was a project lead of the automated speed enforcement in school zones.
As Deputy Chief Wright said earlier, the Florida Department of Transportation's safety matrix, uh, our abysmal showing on that matrix is what really got us looking at what is it that we can do to change driver behavior and get them to
slow down. We looked at some of these speed camera programs and three different companies came in and presented to us. We had three different speed studies done. And I think I've said this before and I'll say it again. The first study we had done, I didn't
believe it. There's no way that many people are speeding in school zones. So we had another one done, very similar results. Then we had a third one done and it was very similar. That's when we sat down and said, "We have a problem. What are we going to do to address the problem?" Now we're aware of the problem. We're on a ranking sheet. Third
worst out of 105 cities. Now we have to do something about it. So Titusville Police Department, we've said this all along. We're a we're a evidence-based police department. We're resultsoriented and we look at what works, what's the
research show today um to help us drive decision-m similar to how doctors um address the medical field and medicine. They look at research and evidence on the best way to save lives. We try to do the same thing in law enforcement. What is the best way
to keep the community safe? evidence-based things that we know work because typically in law enforcement we do the same thing. I call it running in the hamster wheel, right? We drive around, do traffic stops, and we think we're going to solve problems that way. Sometimes you get lucky. Luck is not a tactic. We have to attack way attack uh
problems with evidence-based science. That's what this program is. After looking at all the data and looking at um the the results at the end of these uh trials, it's clear that this program works. It's not without controversy. We We hear you, right? We hear the
community and and we're open to that feedback. Uh but a lot of it, as we'll show, a lot of it is just drumming up controversy and and we'll show how some of that was uh was utilized in social media. So, if you look at our 60-day warning period, let me be clear, I think
there was only one other city in the state of Florida that did a 60-day warning period. We were one of them. I think we're one of two. That's kind of unprecedented. Um, and and I think it was a good thing cuz one, it shows one, we're not we're not here to issue as many citations as we possibly can. We're
trying to get people to change their behaviors and a 60-day warning period to get people accustomed to automated enforcement, I think, was fair. Make no mistake, the law has not changed. It's always been illegal to speed, right? Uh, some people have complained and said 11 miles per hour is
too fast. Well, we didn't make the statute. We're just abiding by the statute. But if we put a police officer in a school zone, I many people may not know this, they can stop you for doing one mile over the speed limit in a school zone, in an active school zone when kids are coming to or or going home at the end of the day. One mile over. If
you get a citation from a police officer, what's called a UTC, a uniform traffic citation for 11 over in a school zone. That's a $39 fine with three points on your license. It's going to get reported to your insurance and eventually you're going to look and go, "What happened to my insurance rates?" Right? They're going through the roof.
It's because you got that uniform traffic citation. This program aims to change driver behavior without some of those negative connotations. It it boils down to behavioral psychology. And I don't want to get into all the weeds of that, but it it's called operant conditioning. Basically, um people
attribute um their their negative connotations to um certain things such as these speed cameras. Um, as an example, people will modify their behaviors based upon based upon based upon consequences.
This is what I call real world jeopardy. There has to be something at stake. Otherwise, speed limit signs and signs and and and flashing lights are nothing but suggestions. If there's no repercussions, if there's no enforcement
behind it, they're just suggestions. How do I know this? I've been a cop for 20 years now and we put cops in school zones all the time. I've been here 20 years and we're 102nd out of 105th and and nothing's changed. We're still enforcing in school zones, but it's not
consistent. If you don't have those consistent enforcements, you're not going to change behaviors. I hate to attribute it to this, but when you're trying to train your dog to go to the bathroom outside, what does it take? That consistency of taking them out, taking them out, taking them out. It gets old, right? But that's what it takes to change those behaviors. This is
the exact same thing. If you don't have that consistent enforcement, it's just not going to work. So, looking at the 60-day warning period, if you look, there was probably three or four zones that carried most of the program. Jackson Middle School was
probably our well, it's not probably, it was our our most um violation zone. Um we had a total of about 16,000 events. And what is an event? It's only triggered when somebody hits 11 miles or
faster over the speed limit. So, how many people were doing 10 and didn't get cited? 20,000, right? We had 16,000 events where our kids go to school. Some of them are walking, some of them are biking. Um, if you go into some of these zones, I've heard people say there's no kids in those zones. There's kids in
those zones. They might be in cars, right? But we know that slower speeds equate to safer lives. Um, I don't think there's any argument from that. Uh, as a matter of fact, according to the Federal Highway Administration, a driver traveling 30 miles per hour who hits a
pedestrian has approximately a 45% chance of killing or seriously injuring them. At 20 mph, that drops to approximately 5%. So, at 30 mph, flip a coin, if my kid gets hit, there's a high likelihood of a flip of a coin, whether
she's killed or seriously injured. If it's 20 miles per hour, she's got a 95% chance of walking away being okay. I I like those odds and and I'm willing to sacrifice that. I drive through these school zones just like everybody else and we're subjected to it just like you all. Even though in social media I hear
some of the arguments, right, that cops are all exempt. No, we're not. We're not. Um so getting back to the 60-day warning period, we had over 16,000 events uh and about 14,000 warnings that were sent out in a 60-day period. What
does that mean? It means that of those 16,000 events, they were driving at least 11 miles over the speed limit. 14,000 of them were issued warnings. Where's the other 2,000? So, the other 2,000 could be uh we did have some exemptions for if a firetruck was going
to a call, maybe they weren't running lights and sirens, but maybe they were going to a med call where somebody had fallen down. um or a police officer was going to a certain call, maybe a burglary in progress where they don't want to run lights and sirens because they don't want to tip off the burglar that I'm right around the corner. Um
things like that, we would look at those. We'd have to do research and some of them would get rejected based on that. Law enforcement is such a dynamic uh profession that, you know, I wish I could tell you that we drive around the speed limit and obey all signs all day long. It's just not feasible depending
on the calls for service. But we are held accountable. We're held to account just like the community. uh as long as they're not going to a call that's worthy of something along those lines. You can go ahead and go to the monthly summary. Oh gosh.
Oh boy. Test my eyesight here. All right. So, the the first thing we had to look at was the initial speed studies, and that's what the initial uh reductions in speeding are. I don't know if you guys can see, but there was uh initial it may
not be on this one, but a 94% drop already in our our speeding in and school zones based off the initial speed studies. As Deputy Chief Wright said, uh I think they said 76% of the vehicles driving through the school zones were were hitting at 11 or miles per hour or over. So, we've already had a 94%
reduction just based on the initial speed studies. I I think that's uh extremely dramatic. I didn't expect that. I don't expect that to hold through um this period. I think there's some anomalies in there. As an example, um you know, we had some folks talking
about transparency and you know, this is a money grab. Sycamore Street next to Tatisville High School. There's there was no blinking lights in there. Now, you know, this program wouldn't be possible without Sandy Reer and her team because we would get with Sandy with public works and I
said, "Sandy, can we scr up some some flashing lights for Sycamore?" And we did that. The problem is they're not operational yet because there's some internal components that we're waiting on. Uh, keep in mind, state statute does not require blinking lights in school zones, and some people are shocked at
that, but you can read the the statute yourself. It says you have to have signs posted with the with the enforcement times. uh you can have blinking lights in there as an alternative. The problem is if you don't have signs in there with it and the lights go down, how do you enforce it? Because people are going to say the lights weren't blinking. So, we
wanted to have them both and we wanted to have signs and blinking lights. The challenge is the company has nothing to do with the flashing blinking lights in our school zones. That's the city of Titusville. We have to program those to align with the enforcement times of the
cameras. So, some people complain and say the lights aren't aligned. You know, you guys are issuing citations. Nope. I know what time the cameras are on. They're on at the correct times. I have double, triple, quadruple checked these cameras. They're they're all on at the correct times. The flashers are the ones that were It's a little bit of a
challenge trying to line those up. I believe we're there now. We did have some challenges in our 60-day period. Um, couple anomalies, like I said, St. Terresa's I think we were off on our flashers a couple times. We got those corrected. Uh, good news is it was during the warning period. Uh, we also
found some infrastructure issues. You know, when I became a police officer, guys, I never thought I was going to be a school zone expert. I didn't know anything about school zones. I know what the law says, right? I know you can't speed in there. I know what signs have to be there, and I know what distance they have to be. And I I never thought in a million years I would dig into
those weeds. And I would argue most police officers probably don't know either until you start digging into these programs. It's a very nuanced program. You have to have an attention for detail because if you don't, it's going to fall apart. And I think you guys have seen in some cities where that's happened. and it's because they just didn't have an attention to detail.
If you pay attention and you listen to to your community, which some of the things that we fixed, uh, a community member brought it up on social media and and you know, we we we monitor social media because you have to have a pulse of the of your community and you're going to get your pulse from social
media. Somebody mentioned that, you know, the speed limit on a couple of our zones was was being enforced, the school zone speed limit was being enforced wrong according to DOT. We looked into it. They were right. So, what did we do? We fixed it. Um, that's why I'm telling
you, if it was a money grab, I would have we would have we'd be operating Sycamore Street right now with no blinking lights because that was one of our top violator zones. Thousands. Thousands. Uh, but we turned it off cuz I said, "No, let's let's be transparent." And I think everybody agrees. The chief and the deputy chief
all said, "No, that's fair. What's fair and objective is to put the blinking lights in there because that's what we're all accustomed to. When I'm driving through a school zone, I'm looking for blinking lights, not a sign. I didn't even know that you didn't have to have blinking lights until I looked at the statute. So, you know, this isn't
about, you know, making money. It's about changing driver behavior. And the success of this program is going to be based on citations dropping, not increasing. If it increases, we're going to have to go back to the drawing board and say, I don't think this thing's working. This is this program, I'm not going to sit here and kid you, it's a
big headache. It it takes some time. Um, but to me, it's worth it because it could save a kid's life. I think just last week we had a kid get hit in a school zone in front of coina if I'm not mistaken was on a bicycle now you know did the cameras you know save that kid's
life I don't know you know but I know this that that car wasn't driving very fast and when the kid uh got hit on his bicycle you know he he wasn't seriously injured um you know you know he's transported to the hospital or whatever but maybe we did save a life you know it's hard to say and that's where I
think the public is missing because you can't put a price or you can't put a number on it. How many kids have we saved? Who knows? Hundreds? I don't know, maybe none. Uh we'll never know because we're changing driver behavior as this program progresses. From March to April, we had some pretty
significant um reductions. Again, I think overall since the just from the warning period, not from the um initial speed study, just from the 60-day warning period, we're looking at about a 29% drop in and in and in and violations
to 11 or over, which is a pretty significant drop in 60 days. If you look at some of the behavioral economics uh and the science behind it, it they say it can take, you know, 6 months or or longer to to change some of these behaviors. So, we're now into it a couple months and we just started and
now we are not running the cameras through uh summer school. We we decided we won't run those and it's because summer school is not consistent. We have some schools and the hours are, you know, kind of nuanced and there's only two or three schools running summer school. So, we made the decision not to
do that. The problem with not running it during summer school is now we're not getting that consistent behavior, you know, behavior check, trying to change these driver behaviors because without that you don't change behavior. We need that consistent enforcement along all lines.
There were some um we if you remove Sycamore Street from the data because Sycamore had um it's up there somewhere. Uh right there total events just that small zone had over 2,2454
total events just on Sycamore Street alone. And if you look it had a huge increase 300 I think it's 318% increase. That's an anomaly, right? And this is what I was talking about, I think, with the mayor earlier where we we you need to look for anomalies. If you're going to be data driven, you have to look at
data and and and that was one that jumped out at me and I said, "What is going on here?" So, that's when we realized it's because the lights aren't working, the blinking lights, and there's only signs. So, a lot of people are complaining, "I can't see the sign." That's kind of built in, too, because when you're driving through a school
zone, you're trying to read a sign. What do you do? You slow down, right? That's exactly what we're looking for, you And and people are frustrated going, "This is not fair." But you're slowing down, though, aren't you? There's that behavior change. That's what we're looking for. Is it kind of a pain? Yeah. Is the seat belt law a pain? Yeah, it
is. Do they save lives? Yeah, they do. Do I like wearing my seatelt? No, I don't. Do I wear it? Yes, I do. Why? Because it's it's I think it shows 50 to 60% uh higher chance of less injury or or death if you wear your seatelt. So, this program's along the same lines, and that's why we're here showing you some
of this data. Clearly, so far, we're on the right track. We're tracking uh May is kind of hard to compare because we only had I think seven days of school. But if you look at it and we smooth the data out uh and try to project out based on that seven days of data, we were kind
of holding steady from uh April. Uh but the important thing is from March which is you know we had I think 17 days of school if you take into consideration um spring break um we had a pretty significant drop uh and it looks like
driver behavior behavior is starting to change and that's exactly what we're looking for. So, I just wanted to be clear here. This isn't just something that the Titus Police Department pulled out of a hat and said, "Hey, let's be the first. Let's try this." This this program uh auto automated speed enforcement, it's
it's recognized by national organizations. Uh Nitsa, which is the National Highway uh Transportation Safety Organization, they approve it. the Federal Highway Administration, Governor's Highway Safety Association, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, National Transportation Safety
Board, the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the National Safety Council, just to name a few. So, we didn't just pull this out of a hat and say, "Hey, you know, I think this will work." There there's evidence based uh behind this. Uh there's actual data behind these programs. It works. You
just have to make sure that you run it correctly. You have to have an attention for detail and and like we've done, we've listened to the community. We've taken some feedback. I will say uh some of the feedback I'm just going to call it. It's erroneous. People were saying online they were getting tickets on the
weekends. Categorically false. I searched through every single weekend since not one citation on the weekends. People were saying after school hours. The problem that with using that argument is people are probably using their child's school that gets out at
2:30 when Jackson Middle School doesn't get out till I think 4:15. So those cameras are running till like 4:45 and the earliest they run I think is St. Teresa's and I think that's at 7:25 or 7:30 in the morning. So there's confusion because people are only
looking at the school that their child goes to and they're thinking, "Okay, my kid's out of school. Why did I get a citation?" cuz not all schools get out at the same time. Uh secondly, we got a lot of complaints about I got citation during spring break. The only school zone that spring break uh had or where
people were issued citations through spring break was St. Teresa's because they were not on spring break when public schools and and Park Avenue was on spring break. No other citations issued in any other school zone on spring break. So, a lot of this stuff that people are drumming up and it's tough to see as you know your guys
council positions because you don't want to frustrate the community. You want to hear some of the feedback. Most of it is erroneous. I'm here to tell you we looked into each and every one. We even reached out to people and said, "Could you give us your citation so we can look into it?" I don't know that we got anybody to We had one one girl create it
with AI and try to drum up. She she made her own fake citation. How do we know? Because at the bottom it said created by AI. uh and we couldn't we couldn't replicate that. We couldn't find it and and that's why so people are going to great lengths to just drum up controversy because they don't want this program and I understand the controversy
around it does kind of seem like big government but it's hard to argue with numbers and and I have data to back this stuff. So, you know, I want to talk about what works and what doesn't work and we do understand that it's controversial, you know, because you know in today's age and social media people are complaining about big
government and mass surveillance and all this. This is targeted enforcement to protect children. That is it. >> Good. >> Yeah. >> Thank you, major. Thank you, Deputy Chief Council. Any questions? >> Member Stokel?
>> Yes. Um, thank you. I just had a few comments questions. So, just to clarify, we have seven that are currently running. Um, how many in the fall do we anticipate? Will it be all school zones that will happen in the fall at that point or will it be a phased approach or what are we looking at for the fall
term? Yeah, we still have South Lake Elementary that's still working through their permitting process. We're anticipating that that'll be ready to go live at the beginning of the school year with a 60-day warning phase. The other one is the Apollo school zone at uh Park Avenue, Knox McCrae.
>> Yeah, >> Park Avenue, Knox McCrae, but that one needs a little more work for uh visibility. Um again, that one's targeted for the beginning of the school year, 60-day warning phase. And then you still have I might be forgetting one or two off the top of my head for beginning of the school year. And then we have
three others. Oak Oak Park, Madison, and Sison >> Imperial, >> uh, which is the Imperial School Zone on Cison Road. >> Okay. >> So, as soon as those do go live and they get through all their permitting and everything through FOT, local or county, uh, as soon as they go live, it'll be a 60-day warning phase for all those
locations. >> Um, and I know you said that we're not going to do one on US one by ths. What about the strip of 405 and Harrison? That intersection where you have 405 going 55 miles per hour, then it goes down to 45 and then there is a school
zone. I think it's meant for Apollo. Will there be one there? >> No, because that's not a designated school zone. That's they just reduced the speed based on whatever speed studies that FDOT did. Okay. >> Whether it's because there is a crosswalk there, there is a light there, a lot of traffic in it out, they took it
from 55 to 45, but it's not a designated school zone. Okay. Um, and then when we do start back up in the fall, can we do a warning period for all school zones just because it was a short warning? Like we started this midspring just for
people to kind of get used to it again in the fall. >> Is that possible? >> So, our plan is over summer, uh, we're going to do our traditional traffic enforcement in those areas. Uh, beef up some of our patrols in those school zone areas that are in front of the schools, as well as regular traffic. As you can
see, we're third worst out of 105. And we'll be reminding uh our travelers that come beginning of the school year, these these zones will be active again. >> Okay. I'm just thinking about new people that are moving here and those that
because I think it started in March, if I remember right, just to kind of remind them again because we are taking a break over summer. I would hate for them to first week of school, oh, I got a ticket already rather than a warning if that's possible. um that I don't know if other c if council members agree with me obviously
and that I don't know what our contract with our vendor is but um >> well >> that's my personal opinion on it. >> I'll say this um one of the problems with the warning period while I was in favor of a a fair and transparent warning period. The problem is as we
monitored the program a lot of people didn't take it serious. They're making jokes about it. How many can I get? There's people playing poker online showing us they'd have like eight, nine citations, you know, warning citations. Attach a $100 to that and watch how many times they get on there and because we're not getting the behavioral change
with the warnings because they know it's just a warning. There was people actually doing contests who can who can get the most warnings. You know, I shouldn't laugh, but that's true. That really happened. And um you know, I'm not I've never been a big ticket writer in my whole career. Just haven't been. I I did a lot of traffic stops and just
wasn't a big ticket writer. And part of it was because I I just can't fathom some of the costs associated with some of these uniform traffic citations. North Carolina, for instance, is looking to get on board with this. How do I know? I was talking to our vendor and they were up there. North Carolina is
going to set their fine at $250. I think $100, it's not a drop in the bucket, but if that doesn't change behavior, I don't know too many people that can just throw $100 down and say that didn't sting because it's going to sting a little bit. That's the only way we're going to get these behavioral changes. I feel like the warning period
is for nothing if there's not some real world jeopardy attached to it. Um, you know, it's something we can talk about and we'd have to talk with the vendor too because they'd have to be on board. Uh, I don't want to just shut it down and tell you no. We're open to just about anything, right? We want to be fair, transparent, want to hear
feedback. Um, but keep in mind a lot of people, they may not be vocal on social media, but a lot of people I reached out to. So, keep in mind, even before this program started, I don't I reached out to a lot of the people that mattered in this, right? the schools themselves and and got a did a poll. I didn't get one
principal say, "No, I think that's a terrible idea." Every single principal said, "Yeah, I think that will work. Ask the crossing guards, asked the SRO's." I had, you know, Officer Chris Gallow yelling at me every day. You changed the blinking times. I got people driving like crazy through here. And
that's not even a high violation zone. But he's out there every day, you know, busting his butt in that hot sun, you know, directing traffic in the morning. and he complains and he's like, "I'm going to get a kid killed out here if you guys don't fix this." So, um, because initially we didn't include the breakfast programs. And I don't want to
go off on a tangent here, but I I made the mistake of not including the breakfast program. I will say, um, we don't include the breakfast programs. I probably shouldn't have said this, but we don't include that in the enforcement cameras, but we did in the blinking lights because we want to change the behavior, but I didn't had the cameras
turn on um for the breakfast programs. >> Okay. Um, and then for all the school zone areas, do we have signs that say what the school speed limit is and where it starts and where it ends so citizens will know? >> Yeah. So, there's a couple of zones and
I I talked to Sandy about this and and there's some things that we still need to get corrected. A couple zones where when you drive into the school zone that you don't know what the normal speed is. One of them's on Hopkins there by uh Titusville High School. I'm driving through there going, "Where's the speed limit sign?" And you don't see it till
you get out outside of the but again if if you research state statute the fastest speed you know in a residential area and most of our areas are residential is 35 miles per hour. Now you can lower that or you could even raise it up to a maximum of 60 but it has you have to have a speed study done
because there are areas in our city that are 25 and 30 uh if they are you know that we've done some type of research over the years to to justify that that speed limit. So, we are going to put these signs in place and the deputy chief and I have a plan. I don't know what it's going to look like. We've talked about putting other blinking
lights all day long so people know, hey, this thing's running all day during school, you know, which >> for for transparency purposes is important, but if again, everybody's, you know, up in arms about it, but nothing's changed. The law is still the same. The only thing that changed is now
you got automated enforcement instead of cops enforcing it. >> Yeah. And that's I think my take on it is if we are going to do it, I just want to stand by knowing that if a citizen does have a complaint about it, I can say, well, we had this sign here. This was going on. We had this blinking
light. This is what the speed limit is during school time. This is what it's when it's not. And it's very clear so that they make that decision and they we have no fault essentially. So that's kind of um what I'm concerned with. And then my last question is on the appeal process because yes, I did see that too.
Same thing. I could not get anybody to show me a citation um when it was given at different times. So my question is so if a citizen does say hey I was at work during that time or um that wasn't me driving it. What is that appeal process look like for them?
>> Yeah, it's pretty simple. Uh there's actually going to be a form uh that we're going to put online that they can fill out. So let's say I let you borrow my car and you were driving and you got it. I can fill that out and say uh Dr. >> You'll put my name. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. Right. That that's actually part of it, right? Cuz what's going to happen is you're going to go,
"Somebody else had my car, but I'm not going to tell you who." Well, then you're responsible for it. You know who had your car, right? So, they should be responsible for it. And it's pretty simple. And I'm just going to be honest with you guys. It doesn't matter much to us. We're looking to change driver behavior. I don't want to say we're going to dismiss every single one of them because then everybody's going to
come running, right? But ones I'm going to give we're are going to give the community the benefit of the doubt. If if even for a minute I'm like, I'm not sure. But just throw it out. It's not that big of a deal. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Member Mscosa,
>> thank you. You guys have done a fantastic job. >> Thank you. >> Really, and I um I appreciate all the communication. I know anytime someone has reached out to me. Um Commander Wright, you have been right on it, emailing them back, communicating, and
even just making sure that I'm understanding it. So, you've done a great job of enforcing something I'm not a great fan of, but thank you. >> Thank you. >> But I do have a few questions. After someone gets a ticket, um, how soon do they get that the ticket in the mail?
>> There's a couple variables. Uh, so the company processes it and then it sends it to our Q and that's something that Major Gonzalez is really entrenched in and then it's working through that and then it's a verification process. So they have to whoever the officers are that are verifying the information on
this on the citation, they got to look at the date and time, make sure it lines up with is it the reduced speed zone time, is it the normal time, does the tag match the description of what they wrote on the citation? Uh because there could be anomalies there with the camera picking up a three or a E or a two or an
S. Sometimes it gets those mixed up. Um and then they send it, but I don't know the exact average time. So, it really depends, but it will be within that 30-day window. Um, I'll give you an example. There's 900 events sitting on the switch right now. I won't let anybody touch them. Only I'm reviewing
them. And it's only because when I go through these, I have the school schedule pulled up and I to make sure that we're not giving citations outside. Even though I'm pretty sure we have the times right, it's only 60 days. So, I can't be 100% sure. So, I I review the school schedule and I go, "Okay, we're
good here." And then either approve or deny. Really the only ones we're worried about are during the reduced speeding times. Uh outside the reduced speeding times, you just want to verify the tag, make sure the tag, cuz we did have one where a lady called from another city and go, "Hey, I got a citation." And I
looked at it manually myself and I said the same thing. I'm like, "This is your car. Same type of car, same tag, handicap tag." It was a little bit blurry and I think it was like instead of an S, it was a six or something along those lines. So, that was the only one out of 14,000 that we got that someone said, "Hey, this is
not this this was wrong." One out of 14,000. So, I think those are pretty good numbers. Um, so it'll be within 30 days. Um, like I said, I have 900 to process now and that'll probably take me a day to get through and then they'll process them out.
>> Okay. Um, and then for phase two, will all of the school zones have flashing lights? So, there's one zone that's supposed to go live. Um, it's actually an Apollo zone, the one down that we talked about from Park Avenue at Country Club there.
There's no lights there. I did talk to Sandy. We believe we have a couple of flashing lights laying around somewhere that we can get up. But make no mistake, we won't go live with it unless there's blinking lights. Just like Sycamore, we're not that zone is turned off until we can get these blinking lights on. Again, even though statute doesn't
dictate it, we want the community to be comfortable with this. We want them, we don't want them to think we're trying to issue as many citations. Um, we want to be fair about it. And in order to be fair, we want to have blinking lights. >> Okay. I have just two more questions. Um, you mentioned that each camera costs
3500 a month. Is that correct? So, how could you explain the revenue sharing structure? Um, and if the cameras are off during the summer, how does that work? >> So, I'm trying to be careful here because this company tailored this to the city of Titusville. They didn't do
it anywhere else in the state. them. As soon as I say this out loud, every city's going to want it. Um, they So, we lease the cameras, $3,500 per camera a month, which sounds like a lot of money. We're averaging 300 events a day. So,
figure out 300 times. So, as soon as the cameras are paid off for the month, the rest of that, the $60 goes to the city of Titusville. Now, some people again are going to go back to the money graph. That's a money graph. Money graph. UTC is the same thing. That money goes somewhere. Majority of it to the state
and some other funds, right? That money is going somewhere. It's not getting donated to your local charity. Everybody understands that, right? There there's money going somewhere. At least this money is staying local and gets reinvested back into your own community through public safety initiatives. It can't be used for salaries, right? It
has to be public safety initiatives, whether it's technology or programs or that type of stuff. And some of the money goes to the to the schools, the the the local school districts, so they can improve um student safety and and walkways and that type of stuff. And some of the money goes to recruitment
and retention of crossing guards, which if you guys don't know, trying to recruit and retain crossing guards is really difficult today. Uh because that's what three hours out of your day uh per day that you're getting paid for. Who wants to, you know, in the middle of your day have to go to work for two hours and get paid for two hours and
basically you're more than half your day. So, it's it's tough to recruit and retain uh crossing guards and some of that money can be used for that as well. >> And and then to segue on that, a normal uniform traffic citation. So, if we were to issue it to the driver, that fine is broken down into about 15 or 16 other
categories of where all that fine goes. And again, none of it's coming back. >> And sorry, I actually have two questions. What happens if someone doesn't pay the fine? >> So, then it can go to a uniform traffic citation. and they can get issued what's called a UTC. It's still under the same
and I believe the fine is still the same. It doesn't go up to the 300. It's still $100, still no points attached, all that stuff. Um, but it's a UTC and I believe it can be attached to the registration of the motor vehicle to where they can't uh renew their registration until that's taken care of.
>> Okay. And then the last one is, were we able to get statistics on how many of the citations were given when the lights were blinking versus during the regular school day? >> Not yet. Okay. It's a little bit more to try to get in there and break it down because it's if we're not sitting there marking it as they're coming in, then we
have to get back into the system through our side and probably through Ultimate to get it broken down. >> Do you think that would be possible at one point to get that information? >> I think so. Yes. Or we could start tracking it now moving forward. I don't know if we can go back yet. >> Okay. I can tell you just based on looking at them, there's more issued
during the school day than the blinking light times. Yeah. Uh significantly more, but um I don't have the numbers, but just by so many that I approved. A lot of them are during the school day. But again, remember, >> nothing changed, right? It's still illegal to speed. They're just now giving that grace up to 11 miles per
hour u over the speed limit. And that's what I want the community to understand. Nothing's changed. The law is still the same. You're just now remember what we talked about real world jeopardy. Now there's something at stake, right? Now you're held accountable to it instead of an officer only being able to stop a
couple people at a time if you're doing 11 over. >> Thank you. You guys have done an excellent job with this. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Member Nelson, did you have anything? >> I had a question, but I think they took care of it. >> All right. >> Everybody was asking me, are the cameras
going to work? Are we going to get tickets during the summer? Do we get a break? No, they'll be off during summer because like Major Gonzalez said, there's only St. Teresa's Imperial and then Titusville High School that's active summer school. So, no, they'll be off during summer.
>> I told them all to watch tonight and you to answer it and you did. >> Well, thank you very much, Deputy Chief Major. Appreciate the presentation and uh city manager. >> Yes, sir. Moving on, the next item is the environmental regulations for new
development. And we'll have members of the community development department give a presentation on site development regulations. And again, no action is requested. >> The floor is yours, Mr. KB. >> Good evening, Mr. Mayor, member of members of council. My name is Kio Fosu
assisted by >> Lily from sustainability. >> In this presentation, we will provide a brief overview of the city of Titusville stormwater permitting process.
Oops. And so we'll go all the way back to the beginning and uh define what we mean by storm water. So in this schematic we're showing a vacant undeveloped site
and then we have a rain event that produces precipitation some of which gets infiltrated into groundwater. Evaporation occurs. Some of the uh surface water is trapped
in local depressions and the excess uh forms what we call surface runoff which then flows towards uh receiving water bodies. And so from this runoff uh we can determine the
rate of flow of the runoff particularly the peak rate of flow as well as the time at which it occurs. We can also determine the volume of the runoff for example in gallons
and we can also determine the pollutant or nutrient loading of the runoff. Uh specifically in our area we're interested in nitrogen, phosphorus, total suspended solids and so on. So storm water management uh is a broad
area uh that can be subdivided into two general areas namely water quality and water quantity. With the water quality we're talking about reducing pollutants such as the nitrogen, phosphorus, suspended solids
and so on. Underwater quantity, we're talking about metrics which we can use for flood protection, particularly peak flow rate, time that the peak flow rate occurs as well as the
volume of runoff that is generated by a storm event. And so the regulatory framework begins with the state law which can be summarized as follows. That a development must
demonstrate uh reasonable assurance that there will be no adverse impact to receiving water bodies or adjoining lands. The state statute is implemented through the
Florida Department of Environmental Protection. The Florida Department of Environmental Protection, however, has devolved these powers to the local or to the regional water management districts. We are in the St. John's River Water
Management District and the St. John's River Water Management District implements the guiding principle of the state law with the following statements. Limit postdevelopment peak discharge
rate to pre-development rate and also a development may not violate the state water quality standards. So going back to the first statement, what this means is that if you look at the peak discharge rate of a site before
it is developed and you compare it to the peak flow rate after the site has been developed, there cannot be an increase in that peak flow rate. That's essentially what the statement limit the postdevelopment peak discharge
rate comes down to. In the city of Titusville, we go beyond the state law and beyond the St. John's River water management u requirements. We have additional metrics.
And so in addition to those we say that the pre versus post flow rate time at which the flow the peak flow rate occurs and the total volume of runoff over 24 hours after the storm
event cannot increase from the pre-development to the post-development. And uh a side note here uh a statistic to share is that uh from 2021 to 2025 we have an annual
average of 17.8 stormwater permits that uh were approved by uh the city of Titusville. And in this slide, I'll take a minor detour to explain how we
characterize or categorize storm events. The current popular method is what we call the recurrence interval or the return period whereby we state a number of years, the duration of the storm
event and the amount of inches that occur with that storm event. So, for example, I could quote a 25 year, 24-hour storm event, and according to the data we'll see shortly in Titusville, that
comes to 9.5 in of rain. And so this is data from Noah, National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Agency. I believe this is the data for Titusville.
And so I will use a storm event that occurred on October 26, 2025 as an example. In some areas it was reported that we had 14 in in 12 hours.
So when you look at the chart in the vertical header you see the duration starting from minutes through hours through days. When you look at the headers across the top you see the
recurrence interval or the return period in years. So for example, you have a 100redyear, a 25 year and so on. So when you take the intersection of a column and a row, it tells you in Titusville
what to expect for say a 25 year 24-hour storm events and so on. So given the October 26th the first report that we saw 14 in in 12 hours. If we run that,
it appears that this storm would be characterized as being between a 20 a 200year 12-h hour and a 500year 12-hour event. Uh I'd also want to point out that uh FEMA is uh currently discouraging us
from using the recurrence interval method of characterizing storms. They prefer that we use probabilities. And so if we do that, the 500year uh storm event uh would be characterized as a 0.2%
annual chance storm. whereas a 200-year storm event would be a 0.5% annual chance storm. So just to uh demonstrate the different ways that storms are classified uh based on the source of the
information you may be looking at. And so same sto same same day uh different uh part of the county reported 15 in over 24 hours. And so in that case
we would be looking at a storm event uh between a 100year 24hour and a 200year 24-hour storm event or by probabilities between a 0.5% and a 1% annual chance storm.
And the last example, some areas reported 12 ines in six hours. And so you can see that in this case, the numbers are completely off the chart. Okay. So with that, we'll now look at a postdevelopment site. In other words,
what do we what we typically see for a developed site in Titusville as far as storm water management is concerned? Uh in this schematic example, uh we show a it could be a commercial
building with a parking lot which has a drainage system consisting of some inlet structures uh connected to uh storm sewer pipes which let out into some pond or the other. And as you can see, the pond has
a control structure which will have um what we call a weir uh which controls the flow of the storm water the impounded uh storm water out of the system. Uh as once the storm water
reaches a certain elevation, it then goes through the outfall pipe and then to the receiving water body. So once again we have our storm event producing the precipitation evaporation runoff
that goes then goes to the storm system into our pond or whatever storm water management facility we have and then a control release to the receiving order And again we can determine the various
metrics of interest. As we mentioned before uh this system as as with any system must adhere to the no adverse impact uh rule by state law. We must limit post-development peak discharge rates to the pre-development
peak discharge rates according to St. John's regulations. And also since we're in Titusville, additionally we will implement the pre versus post for the performance measures in uh our
technical manual chapter 7.4.2 two again which are flow rate timing of the peak flow rate and volume 24-hour volume of uh runoff.
And so in this slide I just wanted to show a few uh snapshots from our regulations which uh exemplify the fact that we go above and beyond the state as well as the uh regional water
management uh regulations. First one is the freeboard. So that peak water elevation from from there to the top of the pond uh our code states that for a 25 year 24-hour storm event we must have a
minimum of half a foot of freeboard provides extra protection against flooding. Uh again the the entire analysis that we conduct is based upon the 25 year 24-hour rainfall
event. If the storm water system discharges to what we call a legal positive outfall uh in other words to a publicly maintained storm water system or to one of the named uh water bodies in our code
such as the St. John's uh or the Indian River Lagoon and so on. If a site is not able to do that, our code requires that they then rerun the entire analysis based upon a 100year 24-hour storm
event, which is equivalent to 13 inches of rain over 24 hours. And in this slide, I just wanted to show some of the tools that we use. These are standard tools used by storm water
engineers in all the municipalities in our area. I'm just demonstrating that we use the same um for a simple cookie cutter project. We may do hand calculations. Um, as the shapes of the ponds become
more complex, we are forced to then use the software as hand calculations would uh take forever. And as uh storm systems get more complex and involving, we may then use the hydrocad system.
And then the top of the line whereby we have multiple pawns interconnected to each other with various non-standard shapes and combinations. We use the uh ICPR program currently called uh storm wise. So
that's the top-of-the-line program we currently have for flood protection. uh calculations and then for the water quality uh this is where we're analyzing the nutrients that are being carried by the runoff nitrogen phosphorus total suspended
solids and so on. So uh for these we use the FDP data uh published in their manuals and there is a standard uh program uh
programming tool developed by UCF uh stormwater institute that is very popular across the state. we use it as well and so uh it pulls all the data from the uh FDP and then uh based on the inputs we give it for a particular site it will then
run the calculations so that we can uh verify that uh project is in compliance or or otherwise. And here we present a typical example of a project we reviewed where all these different moving parts
come together. This is an apartment complex on um Knox McCrae and so the submitt involved a storm water management system, a geotechnical report
uh which is required by our code. You must present a geotechnical report that is involves the soil testing information uh topographic survey, land use, hydraology. Uh under the water quantity aka flood
protection calculations, they have to demonstrate the curve numbers. Uh curve numbers are measures of the potential of a particular type of soil to generate runoff. We also look at the treatment volume
also required treatment volume. So if we recall back to the schematic the pond had a control structure which impounded a certain volume of water and then we said that the excess would then
over top uh what we call a weir and then into the outfall pipe. So the idea behind the treatment volume is to hold back a certain amount of uh runoff such that the pollutants are diluted to a certain extent so that when they finally
do over top and flow to the uh natural water body the impact of the pollutants is minimized. We also have the routing and attenu. Those are the calculations that we do to demonstrate uh well I should say the
calculations the applicant must do to demonstrate that they are in compliance with the pre-development versus post-development performance measures and then also they have to present to us the nutrient loading calculations. So in this project uh this is again uh
screenshot of how they determine their pre-development uh values. As you can see they're showing how the uh topography uh creates the runoff in certain directions accumulating in certain areas
of the site uh from which we can determine all the uh performance measures that we're interested in. And then this is the developed site that was proposed by the applicant. Uh likewise uh they have to uh demonstrate
compliance with all the performance measures. In this case, they proposed a large uh centralized wet pond which connects to a smaller dry pond towards the south which then has an outfall pipe
to the uh channel that runs uh parallel to Knox McCrae. And so using all that information you here they're demonstrating uh how they sized the pond and showing that uh for each uh relevant storm event in this
case the 2524 they meet for example the freeboard they have the control structure at the correct elevation to impound the treatment volume the pipe sizes that they're using so that they can
demonstrate to us that the the pre versus post is in compliance and so on. And at the end of the process, in order for us to close out the permit, all applicants are required to give us
an asbuilt survey. So they will send their survey team back out to reservey what they have constructed. From that we can make a comparison in this stormwater rasbuilt
certification uh form that you see the column to the the column in the middle which says design/permitted that is what was proposed. So they give us the
pond volume, the we elevations and so on and so forth, the uh flow rates that they proposed at the time they designed the project. And then in the asbuilt column, second column from the left,
they give us those numbers again from the actual built or constructed site. So there may be some discrepancies here and there due to workmanship and equipment issues and so on and so forth,
but they must meet the uh the minimum requirements of what was designed and permitted. So in in some cases if they fail this they have we we will not approve the permit. they will have to go back and
make adjustments to their storm system. In some cases, we have them use the asbuilt data to rerun their entire calculations all over again and to show us that they are in compliance uh with the pre versus post requirements for
each performance measure that we discussed earlier. And once that is satisfied, uh we will close out the permit and uh they may move forward with their project. And with that concludes my brief
presentation on the storm water permitting process. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. KB. Member Stokl. >> Yes. I have two questions. Um, just to clarify, are our storm water standards built to the 100redyear storm or the 25-year storm? Because I I thought we
moved it to the 100redyear storm, but then I'm seeing on here it looks like we're maybe in between. Is that correct? So the code says that if the storm system for a site
discharges to a publicly maintained storm water system, then the 25 year storm event governs. If the site is unable to do that, then the 100year storm will govern.
>> Okay. So we do still have some areas that are built for the 25-y year storm. Absolutely. >> We also have a provision that states if there's known historic flooding upstream or downstream, then they also have to design to the 100red-year storm. That is above and beyond any St. John's or state
requirements. >> Yep. >> Okay. And then my second question is um so what happens if they do pass the test at the end um but it then afterwards it seems like it's not passing and this could be due to potential other factors
maybe other development or the storm drains aren't being cleared out because I'm assuming that when you're running all of your calculations it's as if the water is free flowing but what happens when there's debris or ditches haven't been cleaned or drains haven't been cleaned does that not impact the numbers then at that point.
>> So, every applicant is has a responsibility to to maintain their system and uh it's part of the permit that they shall maintain their system. If they do not, it becomes a code enforcement case whereby we will go
after them to ensure that they remain in compliance with their permit. >> I'm going to interject again. The new state rules also have require them now with the new the new state law um code that they have to provide their maintenance plan maintenance entities and prove that they have enough funds to
maintain their system moving forward. That's brand new as of this year. So that's really that's good on their end. >> And when we say they, who's they? >> They is the the the property owner. >> The property owners. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. Um that's all I have for
now. Thank you. >> Okay. Member Nelson. So would that be the HOA >> in some neighborhoods? Yes, it will be the HOA. Correct. >> Okay. >> Y >> KBY, this is wild question, but given what happened in October,
do we need to strengthen our code even further? >> Um it just seems and and I asked because it seems like our weather is getting worse and worse. >> Yeah, >> we're getting worse storms. as far as
that uh specific event is concerned, I I would caution that uh uh when you look at the numbers. So again, let me go back one step. So the code states that you design to the 25 year 25 or the 100year
if you don't have a uh connection to a to the uh legal positive outfall that storm on that day as we demonstrated was completely off the charts. >> Yeah. I'm not aware of any city that will design their storm water systems or
require uh development to meet a storm of that magnitude. So I would caution that of using that as a benchmark. Um but as far as strengthening our code is concerned, we are currently working
on the LI the low impact development >> good >> program which uh provides more uh provides practices whereby we have more infiltration of storm water before it gets to the storm system and therefore
significantly reducing that runoff potential. >> Good. >> And that's just one of the uh things we're currently doing. Now, >> one of the things we discussed was making it mandatory uh at one point might be worth
revisiting at some point. >> Y >> thank you very much. Thank you KB. Thank you, Miss Lily. Okay, >> city manager. >> Yes, sir. Moving on. The last item is site plan and permitting status. And
again, community development will give a brief presentation. Come over here. Members of council, I we don't have a presentation. I'll just briefly go through what we have here. um January of 2025, you asked us to give you an update on the site plan process and asked us
for um recommendations of what we could do to try to improve it because the site plan review process was taking a lot longer than usual. I think you recall we were up at 50 days average pretty much on some of our reviews. We've been maintaining about 30 just about underneath 30 average days on our re
site plan reviews. One of the recommendations that we brought to you was to use AI software in the review of permits and site plans. Uh we contracted with a company called um SwiftGV and they have been working with us for the past year and a half. I can tell you
that there was a lot of upfront staff time to work with them to try and come up with the checklist necessary to really thoroughly process site plans and permits against our code. It was worth worth the wait. I think worth the sweat to go through this. We
did include with you a uh a couple of reports. Uh the first one is on page 29 of your packet. It was a preliminary report. It made a few findings in there based on some of the um general test reviews that we were putting into the
system after we completed our checklist. Uh the major finding was that it identified several flags where or flagged several comments or rather several issues where we wanted to look back into such as
how to improve our requests for certain information on our cover sheets on site plans. Um that gave us some indication that the system was working. The real report though begins on page 37 of your packet.
And to just briefly go through it. Um I'll just summarize what are the major findings out of this report of the 200 plus single family permit reviews. The major comment that kept being repeated over and over was sidewalk related to sidewalk
requirements and driveway uh requirements. And we believe that is because we're not educating or bringing up this information to applicants from the get-go or we're not having we probably need to look at our checklist that we provide to applicants or to um
the amendations so that the applicants are aware that this information is necessary they need to provide on their permits right off the bat. That will help reduce the number of comments I get on the first review and then potentially hopefully have these single family permits permitted right off after the first review and not have to come back
again for any kind of amendments of the site plan reviews. Uh we tested probably about 40 45 site plans of various types subdivisions commercial industrial and multif family into the system. The major comment that kept
coming up uh was related to uh photoometric plans. Um information that was missing on cover sheets. We do have a standard template cover sheet that we try to provide applicants. They are not required to submit it in the same format. Uh but we
hope they do. It does help them get through the process a lot quicker if they provide information we're requesting. So those are things that we have uh we need to look into to see if we can communicate better with our applicants at the pre-lication meetings as to what is required so that they can provide that information without us
having to make a waste our time making a comment on the first review. Um, some of the other findings that were in there were related to the storm landscaping, uh, which I believe we can probably in addition to educating our applicants as
they come in and meet with us at our pre-lication meetings and maybe amending some of our checklists to highlight some of these things is also look into the code. Uh, there were some conflicts that the AI software identified for us that we need to come back to you and make
some tweaks to the code so that they're consistent with each other. between our code and the technical manuals that we have. Um I think that was pretty much it. So we are going to come back to you with some recommendations as a result of these findings and we would like to
continue working with this software. Uh we do see a benefit. We already have observed some differences in time between when we reviewed our original site plans, tested them through the process afterwards to see uh what they caught, what the system caught versus us
taking a brand new site plan and running it through the process. And we see a drop in the actual review times. It takes about about a third. And in some cases, uh we can see the time drop in about half with on a storm water review for example. So we do see a benefit with
this software. I have talked to my colleagues uh who are using the software and are also finding a benefit as well and in fact Hernando County is going 100% with using AI for these reviews. So with that we would like to continue
working with this software and we do start utilizing the pass through fee that the city adopted a couple of years ago um that we will offer to applicants to pay to help and then offset some of the cost of using this software. So with that, I'll try and answer any questions
you have. Man, do you have anything you want to add? Okay. >> Thank you, Mr. Parish. Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yes. Brad, after the AI software has reviewed the plans, do you get comments back to for you to
double check to make sure the what if the AI software has missed anything? >> Yes, we don't. The human aspect of this doesn't get eliminated. Yeah. So the software is really good at helping us do a quantifiable check uh a quantity check
really of everything in our code with the site plan. So it will review the site plan and res and order permit and sit spit back out a report that says these are the comments or things that we've identified that it's this plan is inconsistent with with the code uh per
our checklist. we will go through and review that because there are going to be some u some qualitative review that's necessary to be done anyway by our staff. Uh we're going to have to make some judgment calls. Uh and as we do that, we continue to tweak the checklist
so that we can eliminate those those comments if >> Thank you, Vice Mayor. Uh Mr. P, just one question. Approximately how how many sections of our code do you think the software found in conflict with other
sections of our code? >> I think it was on the near the recommendations that identified mostly just technical tweaks. Yes, technical standards really between our technical manuals and the code and so or even within the same technical manuals. So it's really just a a question that's
coming back to you with an ordinance making those fixes. They're not significant based on what we saw here. So, I would say they're more or less just uh tweaks to the code. I don't think that it's going to require several ordinances. >> I was just curious, you know, approximately how many because I know
it's tough when you have this much code to make sure it all jives and works together and doesn't contradict another ordinance. >> So, it identified I'll give you an example. um identified uh several uh landscaping items, identified specific sections
where we can make some some changes so that they're they're consistent with each other. So several sections of chapter 30 of our code related to landscaping. Um main need to be compared with each other. Uh so that is one one example. The report didn't really
quantify exactly how many changes that we probably need to make to the code. It just provided several examples of um the based on the routine hits or the routine comments that kept coming up. These are things we probably should look at. >> I appreciate I was just curious. All
right. And no other questions. Thank you, Mr. Parish. >> All right. We're still in our 5:30 meeting special recognitions and presentations meeting. We're at this section of meeting petitions and requests from the public. This is our last item before uh we try to get into
our regularly scheduled 6:30 meeting. Um, so if anybody would like the petitions and requests from the public non-aggenda items for our 5:30 meeting, uh, now is the time to do so. Elizabeth Parker Trabina Circle. Um I just had a a quick point to make with
regard to our storm water. Um actually a few. Um the first being we're talking about planning for handling storm water and uh KP was nice enough to point out that we're using the 100redyear 24hour
rainfall but if you'll notice that chart goes all the way down to a five minute rainfall window and a lot of our rainfall events fall in the 100 and 200 and 500year window. We aren't having
them once every 100, 500, 200 years. Um, in planning to, excuse me, deal with storm water. We should be planning for what we get. And it doesn't seem that that's what we're doing. We're saying, well, if in 24 hours we get 15 in,
then we'll worry about it. But that doesn't happen a lot. But in fact that same time frame in the 100redyear if you look at a 15-year rain or excuse me 15 minute or 1 hour rain you're looking at 4 in or 2 in and we do see that it
floods our streets it floods our yards it floods our communities and we should be planning for that. I'm concerned that we're not. Also, with regard to uh the post-development improved site uh graphic that he provided, which is
lovely, it doesn't show how we're treating the water before we're releasing it into the receiving water body. And that's a critical point because some of our receiving water bodies are in fact areas of critical concern and we are feeding these to our
wellfield. So, I think we should be definitely concerned with regard to the amount of water we're planning to handle, especially when we're looking at paving over surfaces that have previously been porous. So, I think it's really important that we address that. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much, Miss Shifila. >> Shila, Tropic Street. And I'd like to say I really appreciate Officer Wright returning to the meeting. I think Gonzalez should have. Also, I want to speak about school zone cameras. I've been following this for a little bit of
time and I had a lot to say, but since Gonzalez isn't here, I just want to say um Titusville may not be the first city to try this, but many other cities that have tried it are getting rid of them and for very good reasons.
And second, he says it's to change behavior. And I'd like to know, how does getting a a a a ticket in the mail weeks later going to change my behavior when I'm driving down Hopkins
Avenue going to the library and I don't see any s blinking lights at uh Sycamore Street. Um, a police car right there would have reminded me really quickly that I need
to be aware of my speedometer and how slow I need to go. This piece of thing in the mail weeks later didn't do anything for me except make me go a different way to the library. and about
I I liked your question. How many events? Because my morning was at 11:00 when I was going to my ukulele lesson. Um, no kids, nobody at and with all the different school zones having different
times, you don't have time, even going slow, Officer Gonzalez, to read that it's between 7:30 and 8:30 and then 9:45 and 10:12 and then 4. You don't have that time. You almost have to stop and read the sign. Oh, for this school zone.
And then on Knox McCrae, there's three different zones with three different things. I know because when I went to AARP to pay to work on taxes for people as a volunteer at the church over there on Knox McCrae, I went through those
zones. And then um enough said on that. Y'all can read the social media. You know that the citizens think it's only a money grab. it does not tend to change their behavior and they confuse them with all the flock cameras which is a
whole another thing. Then I want to say about the water that's really great in theory it's the law and we have these rules and in actuality the reality is quite different. We see the water. Okay.
And about the sidewalks Brad, why bother? Nobody uses them. They walk down the middle of the street. I have sidewalks on both sides of all the streets in my neighborhood and nobody
I do, but nobody else does. Thank you. >> Thank you. I'm Stan Johnston. I'm I'm here as a professional engineer and and I don't like to ask these questions or or or say these things because I've said them and and nobody's doing anything about it and
that's what happening. So I would like some at least another five minutes because there's some serious issues that cities making mistakes on. And one of them is uh as I've said many many times this is an enlargement this is an
enlargement of storm water master plan which >> Mr. Johnson I believe that sign is too big. >> Oh do we have do we have it in in code now? >> I believe so. >> Do we have it in code this >> rules? It's in our rules. It's in our what rules?
>> Chamber rules >> that the sign's too big. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> So, so uh anyhow on in that sign we had uh along I 95 we have some some box cover culverts like a 7 foot by 3 foot,
two 6' x 4t, one 9 ft x 3 foot. All those three are not functioning. when I say functioning is that they they lead to a uh legal positive outfall that is not maintained. Now this what happens is
this storm water management plan reads as follows established. It says maintenance of the system will be required. You're not maintaining it. You're not inspecting it and provisions should be made to keep all inlets in top rating condition at
all times. City's not doing that. So what we're having is we're having flooding. We're having flooding and it's because what? So the question again I guess ask everybody here what are these culberts under I95 for? What's the purpose of
them? The purpose is to move the water. It's a legal positive outfall that is unmaintained. So what you're doing is doing what? You're breaking the law. And right now is as I I saw on one of your inputs on
here tonight is you have another different definition for legal positive outfall which is not which is something new. Somebody created another legal a new uh what do you call it a new definition for legal positive
outfall. all these there's six water water passages between Fox Lake Road and and State Road 50 and four of these I have photographed and I photographed recently again it went on
BVAR news and so forth of the that they're not working and you can look at aerials and you can see they're not working. So you're breaking the law. I'm asking you to to stop breaking the law and do something. And I would like to
speak another May I have another five minutes on on other problems that are going on with these. >> Okay. No, thank you for not giving me extra time. No, thank you. >> Thank you. >> You noticed I wore a little badge on there showing what you the dirty tricks that
>> member Nelson. >> Uh Mr. Cook, who is responsible for the outfalls under 95? >> Well, the piping within the roadway is owned and maintained by the state of Florida. >> Not us. >> Correct.
>> Is there anything that requires us to spend our taxpayer ma money fixing the state problems? >> No. The state will have would have a program for inspection and maintenance on their home. Are they actually maintaining it? >> But I can't answer what the state is or
is not doing, but we can certainly pass along concerns to the state maintenance office. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, member Nelson. Anybody else for petitions and requests for this first meeting before we get into our next meeting? >> Seeing none, can I have a motion to
adjurnn? >> So moved. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to take a 10-minute recess and then we'll reconvene uh for our 6:30 meeting at 7:10. Thank you.