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regulation. >> Good evening everybody. Welcome to the city of Titusville City Council special recognitions and presentations meeting March 24th, 2026 at 5:30. I'll call this meeting to order. For the invocation, we'll hold a moment
of silence. >> Thank you very much. Please stand for the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for
all. >> Thank you very much. City attorney, do we have a quorum? >> Yes, we do. >> We do. Thank you very much. City manager. Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and city council. We have four items under special recognitions and presentations.
The first item is 4A, a proclamation for the water conservation month. And the mayor will present a proclamation to a representative, I believe it's Miss Gretchen Smith from the St. John's River Water Management District declaring April 2026 as water conservation month
in the city of Titusville. And I'll go ahead and read the proclamation. Official proclamation, City of Titusville, Florida. Whereas water is a basic and essential need of every living creature. And whereas the state of Florida and
water management districts are working together to increase awareness about the importance of water conservation. And whereas the state of Florida has designated April, typically a dry month, when water demands are most acute, as Florida's water conservation month to
educate citizens about how they can help save Florida's precious water resources. And whereas the city of Titusville emphasizes outside water conservation by promoting the use of native plants and Florida friendly landscaping principles recognizing that planting the right
plant in the right place reduces the need for water, fertilizer and pesticides. And whereas every business, industry, school, and citizen can make a meaningful difference when it comes to conserving water. And whereas outdoor
irrigation comprises a large portion of water use and presents an an important opportunity for conservation. Now therefore I Andrew Connors by the authority vested in me as the mayor of the city of Titusville oops do proclaim
April 2026 as water conservation month in the city of Titusville. I urge all residents and businesses to help protect our precious water resources by practicing water saving measures and increasing awareness of the importance of conservation. In recognition of the
28th year of water conservation month, this year's focus will be on ensuring that outdoor irrigation systems operate efficiently by using properly functioning rain shut off devices. By making sure these devices are installed,
connected, and working as intended, our community can prevent unnecessary watering, reduce waste, and make better use of the rainfall we receive. Signed, Andrew Connor, mayor, city of >> Thank you very much. >> Andrew Connor, mayor, city of Titusville. >> Thank you.
>> Go ahead. Oh, good evening everyone. My name is Gretchen Smith and I'm a water conservation coordinator for St. John's River Water Management District. Um the irony of the rain shut off devices being this year's theme. Uh we were a couple weeks before this roll out and we
thought, "Oh well, if only it would rain." But um rain is coming and I'm responsible for bringing whatever's coming tonight. Um just kidding. Um but in any case, um you know, having a water shortage in a good portion of Florida
has um been a blessing and a curse. Um the blessing part of it is that people are starting to pay attention to conservation when you're told that you're not allowed to, you know, run your sprinklers two times a week. Um and you only get to run them once. Um people
are starting to think about what they might do differently and how they might conserve. Um we give out rain gauges all the time and if you get a half an inch of rain, you know, in one one rainstorm, you can turn off your system that week.
So, and that's saving 900 gallons of water. So, 900 gallons equals like an 8 and a half hour shower. So, just little things that we can all do. Shutting off the water when you're brushing your teeth or men when you're shaving. Um, you know, the kids get it.
Kids, you know, we talk to children about this all the time. They know that they should start off the water. They know that they should, you know, wet their hands, wash their, you know, and then then scrub up and then use the water again. adults are the hard ones to get this through to. So, um we're
grateful for um every April is water conservation month and I just want to encourage all of you to think more carefully about how you use water both in and outside the home. And um you know, conserving the water that we have is a whole lot cheaper than going to
alternative water supply options um that are going to cost everyone a whole lot more money. So, um, thank you for, um, observing water conservation month and thank you all of you for all you do to conserve water. >> Sure.
>> Thank you very much. Can I get you to get one with this one, too? Do you mind? Thank you. Thank you so much. >> Absolutely. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Moving on to 4B is the fiscal year 2025
annual comprehensive financial report. And this will be a presentation for fiscal year 2025, the annual report, annual audit of the city of Titusville as presented by Mr. Zach Shallfor of James Morren Company. All right. Uh good evening. Zach
Shallop, partner James Men Company. Let me make sure I follow the instructions here correctly. I don't go up. Auditor, not engineer. Oh, there we go. It's the onoff side, not the uh the volume side. All right, now I think we're good. Um, so good evening. Uh, we
are here to discuss the annual financial statement audit for the fiscal year ended September 30th uh, 2025. Uh, as always, I would like to thank us to start by thanking the council for the opportunity to work and continue working with the city. Uh, big thanks as well to
your finance team, uh, Terry, Jenna, and the rest of the staff. A lot of hard work, um, that goes into this process. Um, you know, I do like to kind of acknowledge that while we're about five and a half, um, almost six months after year end, um, this is in the world of
governmental accounting, uh, still a pretty quick turnaround time. uh of the 45 or so municipalities that we audit, you guys are somewhere in that 10 to 15 range in terms of audits out the door, and I always kind of say that timeliness is a a good way to kind of objectively
measure um you know, how your finance team is doing in terms of being able to get financial information out the door. So that in this case, you know, the audits complete well in advance of really digging into your fisc year 27 uh
budget cycle here in the coming months. Um before I get into the results of the audit, I thought it would be helpful uh to kind of dive into and and really just um do a quick level set in terms of the scope of the financial statement audit. Uh obviously, you know, you have an
internal audit function at the city. Uh different items that have come up in recent months. So thought just to kind of say here's the different types of audits, what our audit covers, what your internal audit covers, and what else is out there that'd be helpful hopefully uh to provide this quick little overview of
those different types of you know basically engagements or audits that are out there. Uh so I start with the financial statement audit. Uh this slide is really there to to acknowledge first that the audit that we perform is what we call in the the accounting world a
financial statement service. Uh there's three different levels of financial statement services uh that a CPA firm can perform. Uh an audit is the the first level and that really is your highest level of assurance with regard to your financial statements in terms of
the goal being to obtain what we call an unmodified opinion that your financial statements are fairly presented in all material respects. Um that's again the highest level of service from a financial statement perspective and really the process there there's a lot
of focus on substantive testing of the balances and activity in your financial statements. So when we look at your financial statements and we say here's what you have in cash and investments. Here's what your revenues were really testing and proving out all of those
activity to support what shows up in your financial statements. Uh the other two levels or types of financial statement services are a review and a compilation. Um those are our lower in scope. So not going to focus too much there, but a review is an available
option where you just basically there's limited procedure such as inquiry to say that hey nothing came to our attention. And then a compilation is really just taking uh data putting it into a financial statement format. Uh again neither of those two relevant in this
case. Generally those are more kind of commercial say small business type engagements but just to kind of share that first there's three levels of financial statement services that a CPA firm um can perform and an audit is the one at the highest level there to
provide again what we call reasonable assurance with regard to the numbers in your financial statements. Uh so this next slide is designed to address some of the different types of audit engagements or services that are out there. Again, I kind of touched on
the financial statement side uh with the focus there being to express an opinion on the financial statements. Uh we can basically say the financial statements are fairly presented all the way to we don't believe the numbers are fairly presented. Usually there's other extenduating circumstances that would
cause things to to go ary before that point, but you could have a disagreement over how something should be reported between the auditor and and man and management. You know, not the case here. Um pretty uncommon in the government space. Probably more of a a forprofit issue when you you have a company
saying, "Well, we think our revenue should be X um for, you know, purposes going to banks or stock sales, things of that nature." Um but again pretty uncommon the focus typically you know just being to obtain that unmodified opinion in the financial
statement audit. Uh the other types of audits out there first the uh first one on my list here is a performance audit also commonly referred to as an operational audit. Uh this is really where I would say you know the internal audit function pretty much is going to
be living um for the most part in this space. of course you know that you know role can can kind of go look anywhere adjust as needed but generally speaking that would be where I would say I see that alignment. Uh also if you see stories in the news uh about you know
the Florida Auditor General is going into audit city XYZ county XYZ whether at the request of the local government or at the direction of the legislature based on generally somebody in the the state house or senate going to the joint
legislative audit committee to request that the state perform an audit. Um those audits that you may hear about typically also fall into this performance or operational category. Uh and really the focus there again is much more just operational. It can have
financial um implications or it can be purely non-financial just looking at process um structure controls related to non-financial areas. Um so again kind of aligning that back to your internal audit the internal audit function.
Again, a lot more focus at, you know, inventory controls, of course, things of that nature that don't necessarily have a what we call material financial impacts, but are still very relevant um to the overall operations of the city or any government that has that internal
audit function. Um what I will note as well just from the the presence of that function um you know in local government for you know the most part kind of when what we see with the clients we work with and across the board uh the internal audit function
at the city level is relatively uncommon. And so it is one where I would say the city of Titusville relative to many similarly sized cities is you know has been historically um I know ever since we have been working with the city you all have had the internal audit
function in place. Um but I would kind of say you know ahead of the game having that added level of internal oversight that many cities just do not have that function um whatsoever. At the county level, it's much more common where you have um you know, a clerk of the court
role that often pulls that in. But at the municipal side, again, I would say you guys are above average, so to speak, in terms of that what you have from that overall process and presence, helping take a look from an internal perspective at some of those areas that aren't
necessarily covered in a financial statement audit or otherwise. Uh working the way down the list here, there are audits that are focused on internal controls. Uh again, the the focus or objective of a financial statement audit is to express an opinion
on the financial statements and say these numbers can be relied upon. Uh there are audit standards related to internal controls. Uh where the objective there can be to obtain an opinion uh first with regard to the design of your internal controls. So the
auditor can say yes we have evaluated relative to framework and otherwise and we believe these controls are adequately designed. Uh those audits can also cover the functioning of internal controls to say we've performed extensive testing to basically support yes we affirmatively
believe that these controls are not just designed well but they are also functioning consistently as designed. Um, typically those engagements are going to really fall into where you have third-party um, service organizations such as, you
know, an outsourced payroll company, things of that nature to say, "We're doing a lot on your behalf." And that provides some assurance when you have functions like that um, contracted out. But there h there are cases as well of saying hey we just want a very in-depth look at our internal controls and the
functioning thereof um to have an affirmative report back and say are these controls designed well um and functioning. So again just kind of laying that out there as though that is a separate type of audit that's out there. And then lastly the forensic audit. Um
that's one you know we kind of hear that get thrown around a lot. you know, just kind of a a buzzword in terms of, you know, I think sometimes there's thoughts that any audit is a forensic audit. Um, and and it's really a very specialized area uh of auditing. Um, typically
performed by there's a certification out there called a certified fraud examiner. Um, in most cases, that's the the type of firm or individuals performing these engagements. Uh the way I really summarize a forensic audit is it the
challenge can be first saying okay what is the scope because once you scope and say we want a forensic audit of XYZ that basically then means that those auditors are recreating 100% of that
subject matter. Um so for instance you know our firm we're not in the forensic audit space. We used to be a little bit and when I was a a brand new staff, we had a city where we performed a forensic audit of a of a $50 million um construction project to build uh a
couple of road extensions. And we basically went invoice by invoice of the total project amount and whether the invoice was for, you know, a $2 million progress payment or a $2, you know, tape um or, you know, pencils,
whatever. if it was tied into that project, it was getting looked at equally to again have that 100% coverage again for more of that forensic basis. So that's the way I kind of conceptualize it to say the challenge can be what is the subject matter because when you're talking a forensic
audit, you are looking at or contemplating that we're going to look at everything in this. So it really can be a challenge at times to say okay what do we want that focus to be? um in a lot of cases just from the cost and the scope control because obviously when you're looking at everything there's no
sampling or other um procedures involved in there where it does take a lot more time and effort to work through that process. Um, again, quick overview, pretty high level. Um, I can shift into kind of the results of the the financial audit for
the city, but maybe just right there quickly stop and see if there's any questions um on that overview. Again, hopefully that was was helpful. Just give a little more background and context. >> You're good. >> All right. Um so for from a financial statement
perspective again the the focus here being your financial statements I always like to call to your attention and acknowledge is that the city does prepare what we call an annual comprehensive financial report and with regard to local government financial reporting. Um this is really the most uh
robust set of standards that can be followed. So what happens here is you have your what we call your basic financial statements. All the bare minimums to meet the state statutory reporting requirements. All of those of course are in here. Um the gazsby or government accounting standards board
does provide a framework for an acter or an annual comprehensive financial report. Uh which in there there's additional items. The transmitt letter that kind of paints an overview of the city. uh as well as some expanded supplementary information, all of your budgetary comparison schedules, as well
as in in the very back there's what we call your statistical section. Uh that includes 10 years of historical, financial, non-financial data. Um just looking at, you know, what have your revenues and expenditures been over the years, who were your largest taxpayers,
what was your employee count, um you know, what's some of your key, you know, police and fire data in terms of calls received and otherwise. So, I always like to point that out just in general as a, you know, an interesting uh place to look and just learn something new in terms of saying, well, how has the city
of Titusville uh evolved over the last 10 years? Uh that document every year is submitted to the GFOA, the Government Finance Officers Association for evaluation to say did the city follow all of those required aspects relative
to this level of reporting. Uh if so, uh the city is awarded what we call a certificate of achievement for excellence in financial reporting. Uh we have last year's certificate on this slide here that does go into the current year statements. Uh staff once again will be submitting that to the GFA. We
expect this year's document to receive that award. Once again uh so with regard to the audit reports uh these financial statements I I I do want to also acknowledge are prepared in their entirety uh by staff. Uh we have
many clients where we kind of prepare everything pull it together uh with with staff's numbers. Um but but in your case your team prepares the entire document and then there's the five reports from us that get inserted into this. So that's just another one from a from an
internal accomplishment that I think is always worth sharing. Uh the number of clients we have that prepare their own financial statements. Uh in totality, I think I could probably count on one hand, if not definitely on two hands. Uh so our audit reports, the the first one,
this is the audit report on the financial statements, uh showing up towards the very front of the document. Uh as I mentioned before, an unmodified opinion is the best opinion that you can receive. uh we did issue that opinion like in prior years uh stating that we believe these financial statements are
fairly presented in all material respects. The second report is on internal control and compliance and as I mentioned you know this is not an internal control audit. There is no opinion on internal controls um as a whole but we do have to understand your internal controls as it
relates to financial reporting. So the key areas of focus I would kind of say there is just you know your overall accounting including journal entries where you do have kind of a risk of error or override because of the manual nature of those. So we always have a lot of time focused there on the journal
entry process. Uh bank reconciliations of course just the fundamental um you know how you track all of your cash in and cash out and reconcile those every month. And then transactionally a lot of the focus um again thinking about where we have movement of of dollars uh going
to be on your your payroll process uh accounts payable getting bills paid and then on the revenue side as well a big area there being you know utility billing to say are your rates properly entered into the system are bills calculating correctly. So we do spend a lot of time in those areas first to
understand what are these controls and say do we believe that they are appropriately designed or do we have any areas of concern that we said hey you've got this one person handling the entire process there's an opportunity for error or otherwise to go undetected. Um those
could be elevated if we had any such situations identified. Also, even though we understand your controls, if in our testing we come across any situations where we see there was an error or an override in some of those key financial processes, those could rise to the level
of being reported uh in this report. Uh and we had no such items identified here. uh the single audit report as in most years uh the city is typically over the threshold for a federal state uh federal single audit as well as a state single
audit. And what that means is when you're over that threshold we have to also perform effectively a mini complianceoriented audit uh over your major grant programs. Uh this year on the federal side it was your ARPA funds on the state side uh related to some D
revolving fund loan um proceeds. uh we did focus again compliance testing on those two grant programs both with regard to uh were you in compliance but also what were your controls to help ensure compliance in those expenditures and otherwise um and we had no comments
to report there and then the last two reports that we issue are kind of a catchall state specific requirements by the Florida Auditor General uh the the focus here is typically on financial condition if there were any red flags financially
um such as you know you you couldn't make payroll, you had what we call a financial emergency uh or if you were trending in a continued negative capacity, there's certain red flags that we would have to effectively notify the state in this report for them to be aware. Um there were no such items
noted, no modifications in that fourth report. And then the final report, we have to look at the city's compliance with state statutes related to investments and investment policy uh items. And there we did note the city to be in our opinion in compliance uh with
that statute. Uh and I'll also note uh as in prior years we do issue a separate audit report for the CRA uh the numbers are already in the city's financial statement. So there's really no change from the uh reliability of those numbers, the opinion on those numbers.
But in that CRA audit, uh there was also an examination report relative to the use of those dollars. um where we do perform a lot of testing on the expenditures in the CRA to say were those in line um in our opinion with state statute and the CRA plan and we
had no exceptions identified in that report as well. So looking at your fund balance every year I like to do a quick trend and and see you know what have the changes been in recent years in your total fund balance that being your assets minus liabilities in the general fund. And you
can see here uh a bit of an increase from the prior year that really relates to closing out some of your capital projects funds back into uh the general fund. Um, and and really the focus of where I like to look is in those bottom two buckets, what we call your assigned
and your unassigned fund balance because those really represent the unrestricted residual reserves that you have in the general fund. Um, you do also have in that committed your stabilization and disaster reserve. So, you've got that added intentional reserve that's been
set aside uh based on council directive. But once we back that out along with any restricted uh fund balances, the assigned and unassigned is really what's left over. Again, kind of no strings attached or no restrictions attached uh to those reserves.
And as in past years, I like to compare those two buckets to, you know, what you spent in the current fiscal year just to help put it into perspective. Um, so you can see on this slide, uh, when you look at that assigned plus unassigned fund balance relative to what you spent, uh,
you're at about 15%, so just under two months in reserves, uh, the GFOA does recommend a bare minimum of two months. Um so while you are slightly below that uh when you factor in that committed uh fund balance related to the intentional
uh set aside for your stabilization disaster reserve you get back into the 25 to 30% range. So really a solid a little bit over three months in reserves when we factor that in. And this two-month recommendation is a bare minimum recommendation. GFOA and their
best practices basically say you should be at a minimum of two months but when but consider all sorts of other factors. The big one of course for anyone in Florida is the susceptibility to natural disasters. Talking about hurricanes and otherwise and the fact that in most
cases over the years when there's a major impact from a hurricane it can be a couple of years before some of those dollars start to trickle back in from FEMA. So it really a lot of it is tied into how resilient is the city in terms of being able to handle any of those unforeseen hurricanes or you know any
other unexpected uh financial challenges. Looking at your unrestricted net position in your enterprise funds. Uh here I always like to look year-over-year and just you know say what direction are these funds trending. These of course are all generally your
charge for services revenue funds. Um what I've noted in prior years here looking at first solid wasteway storm water and marina. Uh all of those continue to just show a negative because we do allocate some of your pension liability and your OPED liability when
you if you were to ignore those and say operationally from a cash standpoint where are we? All of those would be positive. Um so while it shows negative it's really due to those non-cash adjustments tied into those long-term pension and oped liabilities. uh water
and sewer uh pretty substantial decrease. Um it's not one where you know there were operational losses. What that relates to is um some pretty significant capital investments in that fund in the current year being paid for out of those reserves. Uh so again from that one-time
nature use for a capital project, no concerns. Um what I always just like to say is the numbers really tell half the story. the the real focus in the water and sewer space really ties into, you know, what are the upcoming future capital needs. Um, you know, what where
do the rates need to be to ensure that as any future needs come up, are they grant funded? Are they debt funded? What does that look like? That that puzzle is kind of always being looked at uh as you all go forward, which we've seen to be the case um in the past.
And then lastly, always like to touch on the pensions and OPED as I mentioned. Uh and what we see here is for your general plan and your police and fire plan. Uh those unfunded liabilities or net pension liabilities did increase a little bit uh from the prior year. Both
of those still at that 90% mark uh or better. And again, I always like to say these are just point in time measurements. So based on the way the market's gone the last few months, these numbers would probably all be a little bit lower if there was to be a separate valuation at this point in time. Um,
OPED really can move pretty drastically just based on interest rates. Uh, but that I know continues to be uh an area of focus to ensure that you all, you know, have a good plan going forward. And really in these two areas like to just always emphasize is it's a moving
target. It's really about the long game to say, okay, what do we see the cost being um in future years? How are we all are we set up to be able to handle that cost? And whenever a decision point comes up to really say, okay, it's never you're never as good as you look and
you're never as bad as you look as these numbers move up or down, it really is one that you always want to kind of look at and say, what's the long term going to be over the course of years, if not decades, um with again with any decision points on any of these fronts.
Um, so that's probably the slightly more long- winded than usual uh version of this, but as always, uh, thank you all for the chance to be here and I'm more than glad to answer any questions or dive into anything deeper. >> Thank you very much. Any count questions from councel? Member Mscos,
>> I have a few questions. So, if anybody else has like one question, they want to go first. >> You have the floor. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, first I will say thank you. I really appreciated meeting with you this morning. Um, one thing to our city manager, I would ask that when we get these this on the agenda, if we
could have the documents ahead of time, we were given one sheet of paper that said there would be a presentation. And this isn't uh I know that you sent your information and your things in, but that that report was 200 pages. We didn't get it until I requested it. And also the
presentation, if you see how much information is on there, it would be helpful if we had time to look at that in advance. So, if we can work on that, I think that would be good. Um, so I threw you some softballs this morning. I'm just kidding. You did a great job. Um, so in our conversation
you mentioned that you already receive our internal audits and so can you explain how you factor and you didn't receive our latest internal audit but can you explain how you in you factor those internal audits into your process of the external audit because obviously
you are looking at them as you're preparing. >> Yep. Yeah. So every year we'll as we are going through kind of our planning phase of the audit typically um in the I guess what late summer early fall um you know we'll obtain anything that was issued throughout the course of the year to
factor that into what we call our risk assessment. So all audits have to you know basically go through a risk assessment process where we have some standard risk areas that we always document but also you know just consider you know what's going on differently. Are there any areas of concern that have
come up throughout the year? And then, you know, we would factor that into or consider as part of our planning to say, hey, what do we want to do differently this year? Do we want to do some additional testing? Um, you know, what we kind of call unpredictable testing um you know, in a different area in a given
year. So, for instance, you know, I know in the in the the internal audit, you know, there was, you know, some items on purchasing card activity. Um, and that's one that, you know, we've seen a lot of just focus in general. you know, many cities, you know, that kind of coming up as an area of question and, you know, been a common one that we've lumped into
different plans at times saying, you know, hey, let let's go do a deeper um, you know, look at purchasing cards or whatever transactional area even though in most cases it's not say required to get to the point of saying the opinions clean on the financial statements. Um
but still saying, you know, just kind of what other say qualitative um issues or concerns might be out there that we, you know, aren't expressing an opinion on, but still want to just do a cursory look and say, "Hey, you know, it seems like there could be some concerns or issues in this area. let's go ahead
and do some additional testing from our standpoint just to you know get a general comfort level or say hey we we saw issues in this area either as well or um if we have any you know different results from our testing >> and you mentioned that you look into
utility billing um beyond just the general financial review but based off of the internal uh review that we had what would you do differently for next year what would you possibly be looking into that you didn't this year. >> Yeah. So, I think definitely I mean purchasing cards would be one that um
you know from reading through the report be one you know probably deserving of some additional um attention as well as just you know a lot of it from the the capital asset side I know there's been um questions concerns there just you know really kind of honing in okay what what are the the procedures in terms of
who's responsible for uh inventorying and and looking at and you know even even to the point of say just understanding kind of you know what are all the communications related to um some of those different areas in terms of asset management, purchasing card oversight because what you what what you
run into I think is the balance of decentralizing some of those controls at times and oversight you know the trade-off is you're you're probably a little more agile in terms of being able to just get work done but there's a trade-off and with that trade-off oftent times it can be well what's the the
oversight mechanism to ensure that hey if department heads are responsible ible um you know for overseeing you know their employees purchasing cards and then you get into the you know the asset management to say okay well does everybody understand their role in the
process and and you know being fully kind of aware of well hey no this is what it means and what you are responsible for even though um sometimes maybe to different people it can kind of be like oh well it's fine I know this person's doing what they're supposed to do but that responsibility
um just like any other internal control still really rests with who is that second set of eyes. So I think you know where I could see again some of it not even being so much in the testing but the understanding of the controls to say okay well you know is everyone fully
aware of what the critical nature is of their role in this process because what we always like to say about internal controls is you know collusion not that there's any collusion or anything of that you know I'm suggesting but the fact that you've got two sets of eyes so
if two people said we are both in this to say this isn't being followed although that pretty quickly um negates that control. But there can be times where it's not collusion, but just the the person in that oversight role might not fully understand their what their
role is in that process. And and I think that's where I could see there's we would probably kind of want to get a feel for everyone in that process. What's the understanding? Is there any sort of training that could you know further help um you know just enhance that control environment for those that
are in roles of importance that maybe you know may or may not have you know given it that full thought of saying oh wait this really is on me to be the the clearing house for these transactions or you know the the oversight of physical assets.
>> Perfect. And then um I think I expressed this to you. My question was um first of all I know you're you're up here and I I was like I don't want to drag you down into the weeds of the internal audit but obviously that is something that is very recent. Um but my frustration has been
is every document we receive always says everything is fine and it's obvious not everything is fine. So I'm just trying to to reconcile that. Um you did mention in your presentation that um this is prepared by the staff. Um and so
what kind of value does your company offer us moving forward if staff is preparing if we've had all these audits and things aren't really coming up? I mean moving forward how are we going to prevent any of this and what suggestions do you have for us?
>> Yes. Yeah. So I think from a a a preventing that the the challenge, you know, from a lot of just in general internal controls, there's always a costbenefit consideration and I think that's, you know, because to some degree there is a reliance on people doing the
right things, following process and otherwise. Um not to say that you can't implement controls. Yeah. I mean, you can't get to where you are zero fail safe or otherwise in terms of absolutely nothing can go wrong because all it takes is one person that just isn't in
the position they should be to understand or otherwise and you know the more that you put that into effect the more of a cost that you have associated with it. So there is always um going to be that kind of balance you know the example you know I think we you know we
may have discussed and with some others is you know to say okay you could have a talking about physical inventory controls let's say just you know that being a one of the the issues that was identified you could say we are going to centralize all physical assets inventory
or otherwise at city hall and you know you hire a couple people to manage this and the the trade-off becomes you know you have further mitigated that risk of we'll call it loss whether it's due to fraud or error it doesn't really matter you know we don't want waste at the end
of the day or you all don't want waste um none of us do um you know you can mitigate that but then you're saying well what's the cost of having that both in terms of the people running this you know inventory control department um
we'll call it and then you also have the loss productivity from everybody having to check things in check things out as well as potentially from the the citizen side, you know, not being as timely in certain instances. And that's just again a a general example, but it it's a
challenge, I think, to really say how do you balance everything because certainly you don't want anything to go wrong. How do you um prevent it? And it's, you know, like any internal control, it's, you know, not 100% preventable or foolproof. Um, you know, again, I I will
echo kind of what I said before that having the internal audit function, um, you guys are already steps ahead of many other, you know, probably most other similarly sized cities in terms of having that resource because I think a
lot of what we see just in general of internal controls is there's what you we call preventive controls and detective controls. And the preventive side is okay. Well, what is discouraging somebody from not doing the right thing
if I got my negatives there right? But to basically say, you know, if there's a security camera watching you you, you know, you're going to be less apt to do something you shouldn't do with that camera because you know it's on camera type of thing. So having that function
again you're already a step ahead of the game because there is that added oversight versus in some cities you know if you don't have that you know there could be more of a attitude amongst you know the the bad apples that say oh you know no one's you know going to be looking at this or otherwise um you know
and they feel more emboldened to to do whatever they might do. Um so I think that already is a is a huge step to just you know maintain that. Um and I think again you probably I would say education is is one of the bigger areas to kind of you know understand you know where were
the breakdowns from those who you know potentially should have known and said okay well you know if these assets were going missing who else should have been eyes on this situation to help identify that and understand that well why you know was was there a disconnect there
was it didn't want to say something was it didn't understand didn't realize And I think kind of to me it's understanding where some of those breakdowns potentially were that would have helped um you know identify. But again there is always going to be some degree of a risk to say things could go wrong if you get
somebody who does the wrong thing um at any point in time. >> Member Nelson, did you have anything? >> I did but member of Mos Mosso stole my thunder. That's okay. >> Thank you very much. Thank you for being
here, Mr. Zack. Appreciate it. >> All right. Thanks, >> city manager. >> Yes, sir. Moving on to 4C. Bvard County Space Coast Wastewater System Expansion Fasibility Report and the Bvard County Utility Services Department will present
an update to the Space Coast Wastewater System Expansion feasibility report. Got it. Hello everyone. Um, allow me to introduce myself. My name is Eddie Fontin. I'm the utility services
director for Bvard County. And to my right, I have Sarah Mars from Jacobs uh, Engineering. Um, I'm gonna let Sarah take over, but just to give you a little overview, um, you know, I'm sure you all know
there's a lot of discussion going on with the space industry as it relates to, believe it or not, wastewater. Um, and with that being said, um, Bvard County has, um, stepped up to take the lead, um, during the efforts of what
Sarah's going to describe of what's described in a phase two in the phase one, which is an extremely um, highlevel um, report. And I I say that because um it was a good starting point, but this
is why we're working on phase two, which is what Jacob's Engineering is taking lead on. There was um mention in the report with related to the dynamic of Titusville about being part of the um
network, if you want to say, of uh regional wastewater. So, with that being said, I'm going to allow Sarah to kind of update you. I hope we do this in a somewhat brief sense, but please we encourage any questions in that you
have. >> Thank you. Good evening, council members. Thank you for having us today. Uh it's a pleasure to be with you. Um so we're going to give you a little bit of an introduction to the project and then the reason why we're here today is to um discuss City of Titusville's desire to
participate in the project. Where am I pointing at here? >> Okay. Okay. So, the project as it stands is a feasibility report and it is looking at um the options and recommendations regarding to expanding um the the
systems capability and capacity in Bvard County. And so, as Eddie says, Bard County is leading this study. And so we are studying um the capacity that is within their system today. There are a lot of factors that are going into the need to expand and upgrade and that
includes everything from population growth to growth within the space industry um and and additional commercial expansion that is that is occurring in the area. So, this feasibility study is going to provide recommendations um to support not only
um you know the the growth within Bvard County, but it's meant to include a solution that um is is going to fit within that system as a whole. And so because of that, we anticipate that the recommendations that come out of this report are going to include things like
upgrades to existing facilities within the county system as well as a new regional a um advanced wastewater treatment facility or AWTF if you hear that um acronym. And so that report is going to include the
recommendations for that as well as a phasing timeline um uh for the for the out uh for for laying out those changes. And so why we're here today, as Eddie started to mention, is that this is not
the first um step that's been done looking at this issue. There was a report that was done um by Black & Beach um published in 2023 that took a highle view at some of the needs that would be um uh some of the changes that would be
need to be done for accommodating some of the commercial space industry growth in particular. And within that it listed some key stakeholders that it recommended be part of the continuing um study. And so, uh, our due diligence
that we are doing with Brevard County is going to each of those stakeholders and, um, wanting to know if they are interested in participating in further, uh, uh, with this study. And so, as you can see here, those stakeholders include the Economic Development Council of the
Space Coast, um, Space Launch Delta 45, which is the Wing Command at Cape Canaveral and Patrick, NASA at Kennedy Space Center and Space Florida, and the city of Titusville. And so, why we are here today is to tell you about the project a little bit more and bring to
your attention the ability to decide if you would like to participate in the study. Um I do want to note for you here that when the way we define participating is that you would attend um stakeholder meetings with the with the uh with the
project team, you would provide data and input if requested. Um and it does not necessarily mean that the city of Titusville is saying that they are committing as a user into Bard County's wastewater system. So that is two separate definitions there. Um, in case
you're wondering, participation in the study is what we're here about today. So the project goals again just very briefly are to fortify the system so that it can withstand some of the increasing um climate activity that we're seeing that place stress on the
system, support the expanding commercial and industrial and population growth that is occurring within the county. Um making sure that the critical infrastructure within the county is really meeting the growing demands. Um, and then of course accommodating a lot
of that future space launch growth that we're seeing at the Cape. Oh, and I'm sorry, also benefiting the Indian River Lagoon is a key uh key goal for the study as well. Okay, so the timeline for the study um
we started last year and we will be um concluding our report at the end of this calendar year. So December of 2026 is when we intend to publish the findings and recommendations within the report. As you can see here, we are moving through we're about halfway um through a
lot of our tasks within the study itself. The ta the project is organized into a series of tasks as you saw in that previous slide that we're running concurrently. And the reason for this is because again this is not the first study to identify wastewater needs as
being critical to this area and the growth that is anticipated to continue here. And so you can see that again that population growth, the industry growth um and and some of the capacity findings that are um currently here have already
inspired other plans that are recommending updates um to wastewater systems here. And so for that reason, this report is not only going to address some um some of the short-term questions, it's also going to look at
long-term um solutions for Bvard County. So when I talk about, you know, what we're doing within different tasks, sometimes if we were looking at answering one or two specific questions, sometimes we're working towards getting to that long-term recommended solution.
And so therefore, you see here, we are looking at site selection for a new regional AWTF. We're looking at pipeline routing that comes with putting that into the system. We are answering questions about reverse flow evaluations in some specific cases.
And then of course, um, all of that wraps into the final report. Again, our due diligence started with looking at that first report that was done um performed by Black & Beach, published in 2023. And again, as Eddie says, that was
a very highlevel report looking at one or two components that were needed in the very short term. And so part of our due diligence um within this Brevard County study was understanding, you know, not only the goals of that study, but what can we do to take the deeper
dive and to look at a more um holistic approach to a longer term regional solution. And so just to give you a very brief update on the tasks that we are currently running within the project, um our reverse flow evaluation looked at um
a pipeline between Kennedy Space Center and the Cape Canaveral Regional Wastewater Treatment Facility on the installation. It was answering a question of whether or not it was feasible to reverse that flow. That task had two specific goals. identifying whether or not it was feasible and
understanding if water quality goals were able to be met within this project. Both of those questions have been answered and that task is complete. Task three is the site selection component for the new regional AWTF.
And so we are currently almost midway through that task. What that involves is finding um feasible and suitable sites in which to place a new um facility that again that is within the Bvard County system. There are goals associated with that of course that really um uh make
sure that a site is suitable from a capacity standpoint, from a resilience to um climate impacts standpoint um and where it falls within the county. The timeline for that task three, as you can see here, um incorporates, uh multiple levels of screening. Um we're
taking a um a very robust approach to understanding what sites will be included uh within that piece of the study. And then finally, the last task I have that is currently in progress is task seven, the utilities routing evaluation.
And again, this one is looking at the um the routing and the pipeline opportunities that come with placing that new system component into the existing BARD county system. And so we have uh started that and we've completed a couple of our initial foundational
steps. We've outlined that our next steps are going to really be verifying field conditions. We're going to be looking at pipeline corridor opportunities and confirming long-term resilience um against sea level rise and again some of those climate impacts when it comes to pipeline routing.
So that is a very brief overview of what the project includes and where we're at to date. And again um coming to you today again to um to do our due diligence today. The city of Titusville was mentioned in one of the first studies that identified some wastewater um ideas,
>> right? And so uh we are coming to you today to start the discussion if the city of Titusville would like to participate in this study. >> So let me let me explain a little bit more when we talk about participating. Um from a certain degree there's a lot
of attention drawn on this because of the um impact of the space industry. Um right now, for example, Space Florida's um we have a short-term agreement with Space uh Florida. So, um I want to I
want to um the participation part is almost a um uh a decision making from the city of Titusville of if they foresee themselves participating as being a collective as part of um joining
assets um in order to form what could be viewed as regional or if it's the prerogative of the city of Titusville that they are self-sufficient and they choose not to um be a part of
that because as this report is being prepared and as Sarah mentioned we're looking at December of this year um the documentation of this would be the mechanism of seeking federal and state
level dollars in order to fund it. So that component is there and we do understand that this being a presentation um we are not here to ask you or make a motion. I'm not even sure you can from a presentation, but we more wanted to give
you an opportunity so at a subsequent board um sorry I'm thick and county, but at a subsequent um city council meeting, we could come back and um get a vote with related to what the intent the city chooses.
>> First of all, I want to thank both of you guys for being here and presenting. Uh, I think it's very very important that we try to plan ahead and as if I remember my numbers correctly, as Terry's back there, she'll probably tell me the exact numbers, but I think the last time we spent money on a wastewater
treatment facility 30 years ago, which we just got done paying the debt off on, was probably about $50 million 30 years ago. So now you look at could a city of itself spend $150 million or more to build a new wastewater treatment plant?
sounds pretty tough especially in this fiscal climate and I think it's more important now than than ever that we kind of work together to to find some common ground and keep exploring this idea especially when I think councils all have seen the work order changes and
the amount of costs that we have just keeping Osprey uh alive and well. Uh, and so I think it's it's time that we as a council look uh at other ideas to uh maybe get off of uh using the wastewater treatment we have that was built along
the lagoon many many years ago and and plan ahead. So that's kind of my thoughts on it and um again really appreciative that you guys brought this before us. Member Nelson, >> thank you guys. I was interested because
our sewer plant is right on the Indian River and if we have any rise in the river, you know, is going to I think it's going to cause problems for us. I was also interested because we're
working so hard to get everybody off the septic tanks and we have all those septic tanks down at Port St. John and that that worries me. So, it's almost like
we're working really hard to get everybody off septic tanks and 10 miles away you have loads of people, thousands of people on septic tanks. One of the things that worries me
is um taking the pipes across the river. So Sarah, this is your question. What are the risks? >> Well, how do we mitigate it? So this was a
conceptual idea amongst many that were proposed in the phase one study in order to do um and and and I know because I um that point's been broad in order to um
we're going through an entire evaluation and obviously environmental is part of it. I will tell you timeline is part of it because the core of engineer just doesn't give out permits to do those. So, you know, as I said, um, you know,
and I say this because Bvard County was not taking a lead in the phase one study. Um, so as we're coming in, because it was mentioned, it is being evaluated, but as I say, um, we're going
to let gravity um, take over and the findings will show if it was a good idea or not. >> Okay. So timeline what is the timeline or a to finish project say next November
December looks like it's feasible you have funding what kind of timeline are we looking at? >> Uh well first of all um it's all about money. So, >> of course, >> so the the benefit and the structure of
this phase 2 study because we've um structured it in a format that not only would appease on a a federal like congressional senate level but also we're getting the uh department of defense associated with it and we're
looking at a state. So, I I don't have an answer. what we are doing is once we um and that's why I wanted to step in a little bit with what Sarah was saying is um this isn't just a
participation. It's a um we're this is going to be a documentation that's going to be the road map of when we get um our state and federal legislators that are asking us what do we need or what do we want to do this would be the road mapap
to it. Okay. So, I'm Eddie. I heard 10 years. >> Oh, this is >> at least >> at least, >> which is why I was sort of like 10 years
from now, what are we going to need? And so maybe it's something we should look into um partnering with the county. Well, and that's again this is a
presentation. You all can have the further discussion on that, but at some point um you know and I'll coordinate obviously with the leadership here when we can come back and obviously um get that decision making on what you all
decide and then we can proceed. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you member Nelson. Member Mscoso. >> Um thank you so much. I do think it it's a really good conversation for us to be um to be having. I do have some concerns. I know that this is just uh
meant for us to participate, but it it does feel a bit hard for us to say we will participate without having additional information. Um and so I hope that before we decide that that we would have the information. Um I do have a few questions and I know that this is just
the presentation but perhaps um you could answer these. Let's say we do participate in the this a location is chosen for Titusville. Will we have the ability to accept or reject that site?
>> Say if the site is located in Titusville, >> we thinking it's not going to be in the city limits. It's going to be outside in Bvoulevard County. I mean it could I mean I assume because if we do any kind of land purchase with you I suppose that
would be a board uh council item to >> and and the site selection is looking um in a in a large region within the county notific >> I mean we're also looking and I think what zero um should have elaborated
um because the word new kept getting used a new wastewater water plant. Another options that we're also looking is how to capitalize on some of Bvoulevard County's current wastewater plans and expanding it. So, um I don't want to put the emphasis that it's going
to be new. Um there is there is um and and as we're using because the word regional sometimes gets overused a little bit. Um there is the need and you know for example um Port St. John Bvard County operates
the Port St. John wastewater plant. Um and there is a need for major upgrades associated with that. Um new associated with that may not constitute the definition of what we think of regional. Regional could be just a replacement
servicing the poor St. John. So again, these are some of the things and as Sarah said, we're at 50%. Um, with this um so, you know, we're just uh, you know, you're you're adjacent. You
were mentioned um, and you know, quite honestly, um, the space industry has not stepped forward exactly. So, um, we have, um, whether I like it or not. Um, so I hope
that helps answer some of that. >> Yeah, I mean I I I do obviously we are adjacent and I appreciate being a part of the conversation, but obviously these are going to be questions that our our residents absolutely >> have. Um, and another question, I don't know if you'll be able to answer it, but
um, let's say we become a user in this. >> Will we be able to control any of our service rates, environmental standards? Do we have do we kind of lose all control once we >> um we haven't gotten to that um level
yet. Um right now we're just trying to determine um and again I don't think any of none of this is contractual. Okay. Um but if it's um but at the same
token, we don't know what uh long-term planning the city of Titusville has. So it's to give a um a good indicator and as we can um because you have to understand if we know what the flows
are, we know what the property we need. Um, if you all said yes, we're interested or we would follow you along through this process, but at the end of the day, nothing's concluded until you sign something contractually.
>> Okay. And then uh my last question, you kind of mentioned that the space industry wasn't really stepping up. >> Uh, did I say that? >> I'm not I'm maybe paraphrasing. Um, so how can we make sure and this is another I mean these are just questions we have
to ask. This is this might be the only presentation I have with you that this isn't going to fall on the taxpayers of Bvard County. >> I mean the idea is that we're going to be taking some of their waste water as well. >> Yeah. And believe me that is a um as as
someone who has been in several meetings that has been echoed. So, and I think right now we have a a good working relationship, especially on a short-term basis with Space Florida. We're getting to a good spot. Now, the question is
what do they want to do long term? And that's really the emphasis of what this report's going to get into. >> Thank you. Yeah. And I mean, we all know that they they do provide a great I mean, jobs there's so much that comes from the space industry. So, we don't want to diminish that, but also um you
know, it would be great to see and and to know before we become a user it how much they're going to put in as well. >> Thank you, >> Vice Mayor Cole. >> I noticed in your presentation you you mentioned federal funds. Will this be a cost sharing? Well, if we are involved
in it, will we share in the cost of this as is other communities within Boulevard County or do you look at this as something that will be totally funded by the government? >> Well, again, I I would love to say that
the feds are going to pay 100% of this. Um but the reality is as we as we go through this process and we understand who wants to participate and then we understand what the dollars are, we also
have to keep in mind of what timeline we want to accomplish this. And so once we get to um a point in this timeline then there would possibly be and I say possibly
um uh there would be a cost share discussion on the stakeholders that would participate in this. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate you guys being here. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> City manager. >> Yes sir. The last item is uh 4D, the comprehensive plan evaluation and appraisal report and staff will provide a presentation on the comprehensive plan evaluation ear update.
Thank you, mayor, council members. Make this brief so we can get on to the 6:30 meeting. This is a a brief update on the evaluation and appraisal review the year of the city's comprehensive plan. Little bit of background. So, um the ear
is required the Florida statutes requires that the city review the city's comprehensive plan and evaluate it. make sure that there it's consistent with any changes in Florida state statutes and that it's um functioning well for the city every seven years. And uh last year
we completed that review and held public meetings in the summer of 2025. uh city council provided the permission to transmit that those changes to the state in October and a couple months ago at the end of
January the state provided its um completed its review and provided its comments. the status of the year. Um what the state found is that the proposed amendments conflict with chapter Florida statutes chapter 202519
also known as Senate Bill 180 which uh for those who are not familiar relates to several name storms and limiting local governments from adopting regulations that are more restrictive and burdensome. Excuse me.
Um since then our staff met with several of the staff members uh at Florida Commerce the state department and um had a very productive meeting. We understood that uh their process for evaluating the changes um they they call it the cute term R&B
um is they evaluate each of the policy changes and if there's even one policy change that is R&B the entire amendment the entire year is considered um null and void and so it was returned back to us null and void and I'll show you that on the next slide. This is an excerpt
from the letter that we received from them and basically it says that our uh the city of Titusville is prohibited from proposing or adopting more restrictive or burdensome amendments to its comprehensive plan or land development regulations at this time and for the reasons outlined herein the city
of Titusville's proposed amendment is more restrictive or burdensome making it null and void abinio and so the next step would be to res retransmit to the state once changes are made um in that conversation They identified several of the policies as restrictive
and more restrictive and burdensome. Um, one of those, for example, is future land use policy 1.5.8, which would have required Florida friendly species and new development landscape plans. Um, they said that that was not something that you had in your
comprehensive plan before, and because that was a new restriction, that was a violation. Um, there were a couple other examples, but for the sake of time, I'll just breeze through that. There were some other policies that they said were potentially R&B. So, this was
a yellow light. And, for example, conservation policy 1.2.6 would have developed an urban forest management plan to expand city urban tree canopy. And they said the development of the plan itself is not uh
more restrictive and burdensome but the result of developing this plan could have developed could have resulted in policies which would have been more more restrictive and burdensome and so caution this could lead to R&B and hence uh leading to something that would be uh
null and void. There was Senate Bill 840 that we had high hopes for. it had passed the Florida Senate unanimously. Um that would have made some changes to Senate Bill 180 or as it was added to Florida statutes. One of the changes is it would have sunset sooner. So whereas right now
those regul those uh limitations on adopting anything more restrictive and burdensome uh sunset October 1st of 2027 that would have sunset in uh June at the end of June of this year, but unfortunately there was no action in the Florida House and that bill died. And so
at this time um our next steps are to tweak the language to remove any conflicts with the Florida statute section that was identified and to retransmit the ear to the state. And what that means is new hearings with the Titusville environmental commission, the planning and zoning commission and back
to you all uh before we send that off to the state Florida Commerce. So just wanted to provide that brief uh update for you on the ear and happy to answer any questions. Well, thank you for telling us all the things we can't do. Um, but what is our
timeline for public hearings? >> Uh, we're making the changes now, so probably about two to three months. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Member Mscoso. >> Thank you. So with some of the things that they had, is there any way that we
can um still work within the limits uh like you can get the intent of um perhaps the policy that we wanted without completely um getting rid of it? There are and so there were some key words that they identified like prohibit
um require and so they said if we can soften that language we can or otherwise just hold on to it until a later date when we can adopt something more restrictive. Um the other idea was they said that if we can prove that there was uh somewhere
else in the comp plan or the uh land development regulations where that restriction was already in place, we can provide them that documentation and they will um remove that comment from their staff report. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anybody else seeing none?
Thank you very much, sir. All right. Now, I believe we're on to petitions or requests from the public. We're still at our 5:30 meeting. >> Okay, >> Mr. Johnson. >> My name is Stan Johnson. I'm a registered professional engineer. And because I'm a registered professional
engineer, I'm reporting to you of fraud, fraud, and dishonesty by the city of Titusville. Of course, I'm wearing a little badge here about uh what happened in the election fraud, but u um my disappointment is that uh um 4 4 B, 4 C,
and 4 D were only presented to this board without comments from the public. You failed to have public input on this. And your your auditor just he left. he just took off and it's going to be voted
on tonight. So, I gave him a a special uh uh correspondence that indicates uh that um the city has been engaged in false fraudulent budging for about 59 years by ignoring needed millions of
dollars for capital improvement projects as required by our our 1966 stormwater master plan and um FEMA and engineering due diligence. the city has not even done any inspection of of these um
waterways. Then I've also reported that to um to our city manager and assistant city manager that that Jim Heron who was the former director of public works. what he had happen to him when he was doing budgeting with the city
is the city manager said you can't you can't budget this stuff a lot of the stuff he had to reduce his his budgeting again and again and again so there's fraudulent fraud is going on especially from water resources for uh regarding
the uh storm water master plan so uh I'm disappointed in in in uh what has just happened tonight uh that u uh the city is ignoring in their budgeting. They're ignoring millions of
dollars for capital improvements projects that are supposed to be been spent for the for like I said the 1966 stormwater master plan, FEMA and engineering due diligence. So I I sent I I I wrote a note to to this guy who did
the the uh auditing. And I said, "How do I report millions of dollars of financial fraud by city's auditor to to city's auditor? And how can I report millions of of dollars improperly not budgeted by city for over greater than
59 years?" So you see, I'm I'm explaining to you something that is very serious that I've been reported to you repeatedly again and again and again, and you don't do anything. So, so the city of Tyville, including especially our four councilmen right
here, is you're you're supporting fraud with this budgeting. You're supporting fraud and it's not right. It's not right at all. So, I hope to that you're prosecuted sometime. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. >> Thank you. >> My name is Keith Edwards. I've been a
city of Titusville resident for 40 years, a business leader, an employer, and uh I'm really disgusted. You know, we claim transparency, but yet there is conversion going on. Uh this uh this
theft. I feel that it needs to have a forensic audit done on it. We need to know who got the money, where the money went, and start getting it back. I would like to see some nice shiny bracelets on people that walked away with my tax
money. I am very upset. I'm upset about the election. I don't see how a man can freaking hide in the bush and jack his opponent and yet sit in that seat. I
don't know how our our city manager can put a police officer as the police chief that he goes around making phone threatening phone calls to citizens. This this has just gone crazy.
I want to know what's going on and I want something done about it. I mean, where does this stop? We have a mayor that I feel is a puppet. He's taken his orders from Robin Fiser. Now, Mr. Mayor
thinks that he's a friend of our veterans, but yet he's a buddy with Robin Fiser. When I was awarded the NSP program for Bvard County, I had Robin Fiser sell George Taylor with the NVHS
down the river on homes for our veterans right up here in Titusville. When does staff tell the employer what they're going to do and how they're going to do it? I am so disgusted with the four
Judas. And darling, God bless you. I say a prayer for you every night. You keep it going cuz right now I'm ready to run for office and kick some of these bums right on out of this house because it's just way overboard. It's got to stop. I
know I feel I can see that there is funny business not only in the water department, but it's also in the police department and maybe other departments. I've worked for the city of Titusville. I've worked as a subcontractor for the
sewer treatment plant and I've been a business owner here. It's got to stop. We need people that are for the people, not for themselves. And I really, really am disgusted.
So, if you want to just cover this over and move on and oh, it's only one department. I am sorry. The citizens of Titusville are fed up. I'm fed up. We need somebody to stand up.
>> Thank you. >> Before I start, out of respect to the people who watch from home, maybe you could change the camera angle so the people at home can see the speaker. I think that would be more considerate. Okay. Dr. Kathleen Orook, Titusville resident, and I'm speaking tonight to
express my strong support for the city conducting a full forensic financial audit. The recent internal audit revealed serious problems, including misuse of funds, misuse of pecards, and missing city assets reportedly worth more than $1 million.
Those findings are troubling on their own, but they should also serve as a warning. An internal audit can uncover important issues, but it also reminds us there may be much more we don't know. This is now being framed as a problem limited to one department, but the public should not be asked to simply
accept that assumption. When findings are this serious, the responsible next step is not to narrow the focus. It is to follow the facts wherever they lead and determine whether these problems are isolated or whether they point to broader weaknesses in oversight,
internal controls, and accountability. It's also deeply concerning there have been issues with people being afraid to speak up and a real lack of support for whistleblowers. When employees and citizens fear retaliation or believe their concerns will be ignored, problems
do not get reported early. They stay hidden. they grow and public trust is damaged even further. A city that truly wants accountability must also create an environment where people feel safe coming forward. This is why any further review must be further independent to
restore public confidence. This cannot be seen as a process controlled by the same internal structure that oversaw city finances for many years. This is not about prejudging any individual. It's about making sure the review is credible, impartial, and thorough enough
that the public can trust the results. A full forensic financial audit would help determine not only what happened, but how it happened, why safeguards failed, whether similar problems exist elsewhere, and what changes are needed to prevent this from happening again.
The people of Titusville deserve more than reassurance. They deserve transparency, accountability, and a clear commitment to follow the facts where they lead. If the city is serious about restoring public trust, it should authorize a full financial audit. When
public money, public property, and public confidence are all at stake. The answer is not less scrutiny. It is more. And again, I think you're not being considerate of the people at home. It's not an eagle thing. I don't care if people see me or not, but when they're watching from home, I think they would
like to see the speakers and that can be done. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Anybody else for petitions and request? See Miss Baker coming up. >> So, the finance department, the police department, public works, and god knows
how many other departments. um obviously are having some issues when pressed on public records. We've gone through now a water resources director, a city manager, two city attorneys,
and I'm not the only one seeing this obviously. Uh yes, Mr. Broom and Chelsea were questioning. >> I'm sorry. I'm um counting in my head. So tonight's presentation about the audit here, I mean, if you really feels like an attempt for you guys to kind of
do the bare minimum, and I think that the people really deserve way more than that. Um, for many, many years, our council is not seeing internal audits, and that's a major problem. You guys passed budgets,
but you didn't bother to see where the money was spent. So basically, you just didn't balance the checkbook. And that's a real real issue because you have a lot of people in your city paying taxes and paying attention and they want good
roads and infrastructure that doesn't fall apart and we don't want to see you guys investigate yourselves. That's not okay. It's not an answer. It's not an acceptable answer at all, especially when you have numerous issues that have
come to light and they are actual facts. This wasn't something that media made up or anybody on social media. Y'all lost a truck. A whole truck. I don't know how you do that. A whole truck. And that's not the
only thing. Back hose, all sorts of things. Mowers. I mean, it was just a free-for-all in here and everybody sees it. So the only acceptable answer, the only acceptable answer is that there is a full forensic audit on absolutely every
single department in this city. We find every dime that has been spent and every single person that has been responsible or held those people up. >> Thanks. >> Thank you very much. >> Excuse me, mayor. Oh, we're going to get
to Miss Shlo. >> Um, city manager, can I ask if you change uh can I ask that you change the camera, please? City manager, >> you're able to speak. >> Meos, you don't have the floor. We're going to allow petitions or requests get up.
>> Thank you, Mr. City Manager. I'm going to ask that you change the cameras >> if that's what council. Is there a motion >> like you can't just direct the city to do anything? >> You know, you have to, you know, have
council support to direct city staff to do anything. Do you remember the rules? >> Miss Shau, you have the floor. >> Sh historic Norwood House. I want to speak on two issues on tonight's 5:30 agenda. I want to speak about the um
Space Coast wastewater on slide number uh nine page 15 of 44 under site selection. Um the phrase jumped out at me and scares me. Site selection things to consider minimum
regulatory. They want to put it someplace where there's minimum regulations on environmental impact and other impacts. blah blah blah blah blah. Um, enough said about that. I want to speak about our failed comp plan. Oh, our failed
comp plan. You know what it failed on? Eddie didn't take the time to tell you. It was on crossings over bike trails. It was on native Florida native and Florida friendly plants used in our landscape.
It was another thing about the urban forest being alarming. Watch out yellow light. He said um these are things that we've been trying to do for our city,
for our environment, for the health of our population. And those two things just really jumped out at me and bothered me a lot. I suggest that we find a way to amend our comprehensive plan so that
the state the state legislature these people hate the citizens of Florida. Rule after law after legislation after ordinance that they pass is against the people that live in the in the state. I don't understand why people vote for
them. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mich. Seeing no other public comments, can I have a motion to adjurnn? >> All right. >> Um, mayor, before we adjourn, can I ask Mr.
Fonte a question or two? Um, my question was, I understand that we lost or can't find something over a million dollars worth of equipment and property, but over what period of time
is that? >> The independent audit auditor went back from 1970 to 2024, period of 54 years, and found inaccurate recordkeeping. uh poor asset management tracking for
approximately 30 items that over 54 years had a value of $1.2 million. In today's terms, those items would have a residual value of about $80,000. There's no indication that there was any theft
involved. Again, they couldn't prove anything back from 20, 30, 40 years ago. Just very poor asset tracking. and we're instituting a number of uh internal control improvements to alleviate that issue.
>> And I will say that as a prosecutor, I tried to get police records back in 1980, 84, somewhere in there. And they were held at the old Sunrust
uh bank on Highway 50. and you walked in and there were rats back there and all the records that we had that I could find had holes in them. So when we go back that far is going to be
difficult to figure out what happened. Second question, um, when this issue came up about the water department and one employee, well, two employees,
uh, he is being prosecuted. Correct. >> That's correct. He's already been arraigned and it's currently in the court system for prosecution and we're working with the state attorney to ensure that the city is made whole and we've received full restitution and
we've recovered most of the property. So we are working diligently with the state attorney's office to ensure uh justice is prevails and that we uh make the city whole. >> Okay. So he has been arrested. >> Correct. >> He has been arrested.
>> He has been arrested. Yes, that's correct. >> Okay. Um and as part of that investigation, was there a an audit for the state attorney's office? because that's one of the things they're going
to want uh for the financial crimes. >> We provided the state attorney's office with all the information we had. As far as whether or not they've conducted an audit, I don't have that information. >> Okay. Would it be worth doing a fraud
audit from our point of view? >> Certainly, I would work with our city auditor to indicate whether or not that was uh um our next step and come back to council. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it. >> Now I'll do a motion.
>> Meosa would like >> Thank you to kind of open the gate. Um I would say our internal auditor did recommend a forensic um audit and so that would be something if if we have nothing to hide. I think it would just be an act of transparency. I know those can be expensive, but I would love to
see us look into that and what would that cost and what would that look like? Um, I know we can't make a motion on that right now, but perhaps we can direct staff to look into what that would cost, what it would look like, and bring it back before us. >> Member Stokl.
>> Yes. Um, I had some ideas on that as well as some other things. My hope would be that we could discuss these things at the retreat because I don't want to start giving them one item at a time without us collectively really brainstorming and seeing what is happening within the city. if there's other things as far as culture, should
we bring in a consultant or an industrial engineer. Um because I think that in addition to checking the forensic side of this, I think that we also need to look about okay, if we do these things and we make sure that we have these certain policies in place still, what is our culture? Is there a
safe place for people to feel comfortable? So, I guess my my recommendation is on the agenda later um that we kind of take that time at the retreat, which will hopefully be a whole day for us to really figure out what direction do we want to go into as a city.
>> Thank you, Member Stokel. And again, we're still in the 5:30 meeting so that hopefully we can get into our next meeting where we can take some action. Member Nelson motion to adjourn. >> We're going to take a 10-minute break and then we'll be back. Part: 2
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section shall be construed to limit or restrict a person's right created by the Constitution, law, ordinance, or regulation. regular meeting March 24th, 2026 now at 7:22. We call this meeting to order.
We're have an invocation by Pastor Gerald Smith. Thank you. Good to be with you tonight. Let's bow our heads together in prayer. God, we give you thanks for this country that allows us to meet together in scenes like this to share our concerns,
redress our grievances. We thank you for those who commit to serve. We pray you would bless them as they serve as stewards of our resources. We pray that you would guide them with wisdom. We thank you for the police department, the fire department who so wonderfully take
care of us and protect us. And we ask your blessings on them. We pray for this city Lord that your blessing would be upon it in Jesus name we pray. Amen. >> Amen. Thank you very much pastor. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the stands one nation indivisible andice for all. Thank you very much. Member Nelson.
Move to approve the minutes of the city council meeting on February 24th. >> Second. >> I have a motion by member Nelson, second by Vice Mayor Cole. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor?
>> Sorry. Any opposed? Seeing none. Motion carries 5-0. Thank you, city manager. >> Yes, sir. We have uh no special recognitions or presentations. I do have one housekeeping item. Item number 10A, the first reading of the live local
ordinance has been withdrawn by staff. >> Thank you very much. Anything you want to add about what item is it? Item 16B about the mediation request. Now, just letting everybody know, it's
just information that we are being provided to that um the folks that own the property on the Royal Oak development are filed a petition for mediation, which again is their right, but that doesn't mean we're taking any action at this time. So, does that cover it?
>> Yes. >> Thank you very much. All right, city manager, floor is yours. >> Yes, sir. Next is uh six boards and commissions 6A the Titusville Community Service Award Select Committee and the mayor will appoint the chairperson and clergy representative for the 2026
Titusville Community Service Award Select Committee with confirmation by city council. >> Thank you very much, city manager, city clerk, are there any cards on this item? >> Uh yes, sir. Two cards. Uh first is Kathleen Oor. >> Yes, it is.
Okay, Dr. Kathleen or Titusville resident and I see that the Titusville Community Service Award Select Committee is on tonight's agenda with the chairperson and clergy representative to be appointed. This award matters because it formally recognizes citizens who have
given their time, effort, and service to this community. It should be handled with fairness, integrity, and respect. It should never be politicized. What happened last year was shameful. Under the existing procedure, all citizen
finalists were selected and each was supposed to receive a signed certificate of appreciation. Certificates were prepared for all finalists and sent to Andrew for his signature. He signed and returned all but one. The certificate for Stell
Bailey was not returned. When I asked Mr. the body why. He told me I would have to ask Andrew. So, I did. I raised the issue publicly at a city council meeting and asked Andrew to explain why one duly selected finalist had been
singled out and denied the same recognition given to the others. He refused to answer. He sat there in silence. That silence spoke volumes. It shows contempt for accountability, contempt for the process, and contempt
for the citizen who was denied recognition. No one in that position has the right to override an established procedure because of personal bias, political hostility, or plain immaturity. This award is supposed to honor
community service. It is not supposed to be a tool for personal grudges or selective treatment. If Andrew cannot carry out this basic responsibility fairly and honorably, then he should not be the one entrusted with it. >> For that reason, I respectfully request
that the responsibility for this process be assigned to someone who will act ethically, impartially, and with the respect every finalist deserves. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, city clerk. >> Yes, sir. Tony Shipelo
Shiflo Tropic Street. Um the community service award there's a definite procedure and it was followed by the committee last year and then there was five awards were selected five certificates were sent to the mayor and
only four were awarded. I'm hoping that Miss Sharon James, who's being appointed chair of this committee tonight, will be highly ethical and perhaps a little obsessive and will follow through to
make sure that the awardees actually receive their awards. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any other clerks or any cards? All right. Can I have a motion from council? Member Nelson, >> I would move to um affirm the
appointment of Sharon James and Alex Bowman. And knowing Miss James, I think she will follow through on whatever needs to be done. >> Second. >> I have a motion by member Nelson, second by Vice Mayor Cole. Any discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. City manager, I believe we're at petitions and request. Yes, sir. Non-aggenda items. >> Sorry. Can I ask a point of order? Just a question. Um, since uh you you already
discussed 16A, the mediation, will that be brought up again? >> Yeah, during a report, but there's no action for us to take on it. So, I was just letting the folks here know that there's no action. >> I just wanted to confirm. >> Uh, I think it's 16B. >> 16B. Sorry. >> Yes, it is on my report and I will be um
speaking on it. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Sure. >> All right. Petitions and request. >> My name is Trenton Mansfield, Titusville reticent. Members of city council, I am here today to ask a simple question. Who is truly auditing the city of Titusville
and are you as selected leaders actually seeing the results? We are told that each department underos an audit every year and if that's true, where are those audits? Where are they being pres they being presented and where is the discussion because the from the public's
perspective it is the peers those audits are driving directions or accountability. Some of you have said that auditing is of the city is your job. If that's the case then why haven't we heard about these audits before now? Why does it take a crisis to get a
conversation going? Why does it take public pressure for transpar transparency to become priority? Over the past nine years, taxes have been raised eight times. Um, that's just from my recollection. That's not a coincidence. That's a pattern. And it
raises a serious concern. Is it's simply easier to raise taxes on the people or than to roll up your sleeves, dig in the budget, and do with the hard work of finding waste, cutting unnecessary spending. At the same time, residents are watching significant
spending decisions, money going towards city manager search that that just goes out the window. A records case involving uh court case involving election interference and $150,000 to a police hall of fame that's dissolving. Just a
few named a few. Maybe all of those all of those has a justification, but without transparency, the public is left to question it all. This is why I'm calling for a forensic audit of every department within the city. not a routine audit, a forensic audit, one that follows the money, identifies waste
and ensures accountability at every level. If everything is being done properly, then it will restore public trust. And it will not then and if not, then the people of Titus will deserve to know why. Yes, a forensic audit costs money, but continuing to spend money
without clear accountability costs far more. The citizens of Titusville are not asking for per perfection. We are asking for transparency. accountability and leadership willing to take the hard take a hard look at itself. So in closing, if audits are
being done every year, show them, explain them, prove they matter, and if they are not enough, then authorize a forensic audit and let the truth speak for itself. Thank you. >> Thank you, member Nelson. >> Um, Trevor, I think that every year we
do it. >> Sorry. Say it again. >> It's Trenton. >> Trenton. I know. >> Capital, New Jersey. Trenton. >> I had it halfway right. We do an audit each year. >> I know. >> My question though is do we have the
audit on the city website? >> We do not have the audits on the city website. The internal auditor or does a has a schedule of about 12 different audits uh that she completes each year and it's provided to council. uh several
weeks ago, but I can have those put on the website. >> Might be worth it. And the annual audit that Zach does, is that >> that is always that's required by Florida statute to be always on there. >> Is this the first time the audit's been presented to the council?
>> No. >> No, it's done every year. >> Every year. Okay. Um it might I don't know how the rest of council feels but it might be worth uh putting the other the internal audits >> absolutely >> on the website.
Okay. And just just saying I know we budgeted 150,000 to look at uh the police hall of fame. I think we ended up spending 35 >> 38,000 >> 38,000. If it had worked out
um buying that building, it didn't work out. But if it had worked out, we would have saved millions. So that's why we went >> I said it before, one 501c3 doesn't better than any other 501c3. And the government should stick its nose at a
501c3s because this church down here is not better than this church down here. And this 501c3 is not better than this 501c3 over here. >> I've said it before and I'll say it again. >> Okay. >> Well, that wasn't the debate. We were debating on whether it was a good >> I was called back up here. Andrew I understand I said thank you.
>> I was just talking about the idea of exploring as a real estate potential but appreciate it. >> Petitions request >> before I begin I would like a point of war clarification. You made the point of saying that there was no decision to be
made on this last agenda item. Are you buy that saying that the citizens will or will not be allowed to speak? Because we just heard the thing on the overhead that said citizens could speak on any agenda item. I listened to it just a minute before. So, I want to make it
clear that the citizens who are here plan to speak on that item can do so and do not need to do so in petitions and requests. >> Yes, you definitely can. Okay, great. >> I was just trying to save you from sitting here for the next few hours. >> That's all right. We We're really good at sitting. Okay, you can let me begin.
I want to speak to you about the small area studies and the importance of transparency, public trust, and meaningful citizen participation. These studies of the Royal Oak property were initiated because the city itself, you all did, determined that more information is needed regarding
flooding, infrastructure, traffic, and long-term impacts. That makes these studies essential to informed decision-making. They're not a formality. They're not a box to be checked. They are supposed to provide the factual foundation for decisions affecting the property. That is why the
structure of this process matters so much. Royal Oak neighbors met with the city and provided input at the outset. We were told we would have an active role in the process. A reasonable person would understand that to mean citizens and affected stakeholders would help to
shape the studies, identify the issues to be examined and understand how the work will be conducted from the beginning. But now the process described as very different. This description by the way was not shared proactively with the citizens who were told they would have an active role. It was obtained
through a public records request. We are now learning that the work will be done inhouse over a period of months. Then a report will be published and then the public will be invited to comment and only then will the council receive the report and provide direction. This is
not active cit citizen participation in the process. This is public comment after the work is already done. The large number of citizens who attended the recent city council meeting should make it unmistakably clear that the public cares dearly deeply about this
process and expects its voice heard in a meaningful way. We have already shared areas of expertise that should be included in this process including storm water, civil engineering, traffic and related issues. We also requested a workshop so students citizens sorry many
students in my life could provide input on priorities and options before conclusions are formed not after. At a minimum adjacent citizens who will be directly and significantly affected by the outcome should be included as active participants in developing the studies
themselves. This means helping to identify the questions to be examined, the assumptions to be used, and the questions the studies are meant to answer. At a time when the public is already asking hard questions of you about oversight, accountability, and
trust in city processes, this is not the moment for a closed internal process followed by a public presentation after the fact. Tighter skill cannot afford the appearance of backroom decisionmaking. These studies must inform decisions, not
follow them. They must be structured in a way that is open, credible, and generally participatory from the beginning. If that does not happen, the public will have every reason to question whether the outcome was being shaped before the facts were fully developed. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Mayor, if I may comment on that. Um >> that was um what you referred to was a staff recommendation how to conduct the small area study which I did not accept. I told uh I'm sorry actually we met and
I told you that the stakeholders public would have a very active role directed uh community development to go out to get a third party consultant facilitator to run this to ensure that there is no perception that staff is acting one way
or the other. It's totally impartial and that you'll have every step of the way public will be invited through workshops, meetings, etc. to work with the consultant and staff to come up with a mutual >> I appreciate that because all I had to go by was my city records report and
that's what I saw. Okay, great. >> Coming back for the act for the uh authority to hire that consultant uh in near future. >> Then thank you very much for clarifying. I appreciate it. Thank you, >> Vicki Conklin.
This is a followup and it's regarding the smallcale study and thank you for that clarification, Mr. Abati. We did have a really good meeting with Mr. Abati, Earl Johnson and Kathleen and I and with Brad and Miss M treasure. Uh, but I want to speak about what could
happen before u any action is taken on the royal property. So the city initiated the smallcale study and and we it seemed the intent of the council that residents would be in involved in some way and we hope that to happen. 540
dwelling units of the Royal Oak uh neighborhood are contiguous to the Royal Oak Golf Course property. That's a lot of that's a lot of stakeholders and they do want to have some input here. Um so Mr. Aody indicated via email that that
certainly the residents would be included. We asked him for that workshop like y'all had with the natural resources. It was a good opportunity to brainstorm and think about what could happen. Um and but then I received um an email from Mr. parish indicating the
plan and that was that um he did it was in-house and it stated in-house um and that no consultant would be needed and so that concerned us um because I know you have a consultant for storm water or something but that concerned us whenever
we saw that and that was on March 17th in that document so and that was by public records request that I did. So we just want to ask if there is a revised plan that that's brought forward. It has to be supported by the necessary studies and analysis and with the input um and
the review has to be taken seriously. If there's a need for reasonzoning it has to go through the full public review process. Um it means proper review, public hearings, opportunity for citizens to evaluate the full impact of what's being proposed. You can't just
move ahead without having studied everything and without a complete application. submitted. We have areas of flooding, storm water, infrastructure capacity, traffic, and long-term impacts on the surrounding community. So, if the public wants to be involved, and I think
that they should be, and I again appreciate Mr. Abat's um affirmation of that, that should guide the next decision. So, we thank you very much for that. >> Thank you, Mr. Earl. Did you have something to add? Well, this is going to be just a little
followup on what you just heard. Um u I'd like to speak on actually several topics. Uh one of them is uh the council's responsibility on the Royal Oak area studies. Um, and I guess the central question is whether these studies are going to be undertaken to
genuinely inform future decisions or if they're going to end up being used to to provide support for a direction that is already started or or may be shaped through the remediation process uh and then subsequently used to justify
whatever the remedi remediation comes up with. Um, so of course obviously that distinction matters. Uh, and the city initiated the Royal Oak small area study because more information was needed regarding flooding, infrastructure, traffic, long-term impacts, etc. And
that council should make clear now that these results will be taken seriously. And we we think that was in fact the expectation that council had when they made this recommendation for the small area study that that it would involve the participants uh not just the land
owner. Um so otherwise the public would you know obviously would question if if this just is something that come as a staff thing that then we get involved with later. Um so the study basically has value if the decision makers you
guys are ready to follow the evidence however that whatever that turns out to be. Um and if the findings show limitations then hopefully those limitations are acknowledged and uh and maybe further review might be required.
um uh if findings determine that then and and particularly in regarding any new proposed concept then that needs to also be re-evaluated whatever that new concept may be. Um so we're just hoping that there's not no predetermined
outcome in in this whole process. Um, and also I'd like to the second item I'd like to talk about does regard the mediation process that was requested by the developer for the this Roy the Royal Oak property. Um, that my opinion I know
it's not it may not be typical, but that really I think requires public participation in that process. And so I'm wondering if the council would utilize an alternative called an alternative dispute resolution process
whereby the public can provide comments and input in this mediation process. >> Just the question. >> Does that conclude your >> Yes. >> Before I call on somebody else. Yep. >> Thank you. Okay. Member >> Nelson Earl. >> I'm sorry. I don't think the statute
um addresses that. uh and it definitely doesn't address immediation immediation as opposed to a dispute resolution. >> Right? >> So it calls for a mediation and what it
says is if the uh developer's attorney asks for mediation, we have to give it to them. >> No. Yeah, I understand that. I understand it's an obligation to the city on the city's part when when asked for by a developer. No, I got that. Yeah. >> But but what I was wondering what I was
a little concerned about is sort of the way in which this occurs if the if the mediation process occurs prior to a smallcale study that would seem a little >> backwards. >> Yeah. Yes. I mean I I know this is sort
of and so the only thing I could think of is there was something that I discovered called an alternative dispute resolution. I I'm I'm I'm going to claim ignorance on whether that's suitable here or not. I don't really know. U it just seemed like some way that that we might be
involved in the process of u of the mediation because otherwise it's a closed room back door process just between the developer and the staff and that is worrisome to us actually >> and the attorneys. My my guess is until
the smallcale study comes back uh the mediation will not go forward. >> That's what I was my guess. >> Yes, that's what I would like to like to see that the small scale smallcale study easy for me to say >> 10 times >> uh occurs prior to any of this.
>> Yeah. Okay. Thank you guys. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Go ahead. My name is Darcia Bayer, Titus Hill resident. Two weeks ago at the last council meeting, right at the very end of the council meeting, it was suggested by a
member to another member that if they felt like that if there was corruption within the city, that the council needed to be discussing it and doing their investigation into the matter. As a citizen who watches these meetings regularly and occasionally attends them, here are a few things just since the
last election that you as a council have been a made aware of and you've done the bare minimum. We have a sitting mayor who fraudulently made signs against his opponent, admitting it on video. Then our police chief made a video about the mayor's
opponent suggesting she was lying. The retiring city manager, a month before he retired, gave Chief Laauo a new contract and raise only a week after a local man was murdered by their police officers.
The police chief, who is retired from the city, receives a city pension and is yet employed as a contracted employee. This council has refused to honor the public records request for the 17,000 emails. You all have sat and watched attorney
Frell try to ent trap another council member and refuse to even acknowledge it. Did any of you file ethics complaints with the state or the bar? >> You've watched a mother beg for transparency on the death of her son. To this day, she has yet to see the unedited videos on her son's death in
spite of paying thousands of dollars for public records requests. The city paid $60,000 for a nationwide search for a new city manager. and you hired the guy who has been here for 20 years. He has years he has years of receiving internal
audits of what's been happening and yet he's done nothing with the information. Maybe we should be questioning our own city manager and where he's been. All the while these internal audits have been sent to him and why he and his predecessor have done nothing for years.
You literally sat here at the last meeting and participated in the assignment of new members of our PNZ board as if it itself wasn't corruption. Clearly, four out of the five of you were well aware what the process was going to be like. So, as a citizen of
Titusville, I find it really interesting that a council member would suggest to another council member that if you think there's corruption here, that you should be discussing it as if these things have not happened in front of you. A majority of you even re have refused to even
acknowledge them. Let me assure you, these are only a highlight of the misdeeds that have happened only in the recent months. This council has plenty of things to discuss. A forensic investigation should be at the top of the list as the corruption in this city
is farreaching. It's clear that a forensic audit is much needed throughout the entire city. No one should be in fear of retaliation. No one should be in fear of speaking out, including elected officials. >> Thank you,
>> Keith Edwards, Titusville. You guys, you got the devil by the toes on this one. You loaded the uh planning and zoning board, I feel, and uh you overlooked one very knowledgeable old-timer that could probably help save
us from flooding every time it rains. You know, I love this city. I love this city with my heart. I've raised my family here for 40 years. We had Royal Oak. This big subdivision is going to go
in and turn it into a a slum. The neighbors are worried. But you know, Royal Oak Lo Colony, what that means to me was it was a place that I took my daughter and my wife and we'd have all you could eat crab legs on Sunday,
Saturday, we'd snake off them, shoot a game of golf. You know, we had Miracle City Mall where I could go and eat my hot dog and my Orange Julius and I'd send my wife off to the hair salon and then the bookstore and the kid would go
to a barrel of fun and I socialized with my neighbors. Superman, Robin Fisher, come to town. We're going to make Titus Landing. It's going to be nice. Problem with Titus Landing, it is nice. It's beautiful, but it's antisocial.
You don't see your neighbor sitting around talking and gabbing. You hit it, quit it, and go home. You get what you need. There's not a lot of a lot of socializing there. You know, we're we're changing. We're going to be moving
forward. We can't help it. We can't stop it. It's going to happen. But we've got to use our common sense on what we're going to do. Where are we going to put this $8 million treatment plan? Are we going to put it out in the middle of Royal Oak? You know, I got to say
something about the Rotary Club. You know, the old Cold Spot or Horseshoe Bar, you know, it it it was a nice bar of family atmosphere, but then it went down to a bunch of homeless people and druggies that came in. They came in,
they cleaned up the place, they dressed it up, they brought in good music. That's what I want to see for the future at Titusville. We can't go backwards. We got to go forwards. And this audit that shows what we have. We need to say, "All
right, we need that forensic audit. We need to look of what happened and how it happened so we don't return back there." And we need to take those old-timers that might be out out of their day, but
they've got calluses on their hands. They've lived it. They didn't learn it from a book. And they can help us clean this place up, stop the flooding, and build a better, beautifuler tomorrow. We have Sandp Point Park. I put in all the
pavilions out there. We're going to have a new beach. We closed down poor man's beach. You know, let's do something. Let's get a beach up there. I'll start a parasail company and jet skis. We need to promote our town and show it in the light that it used to be in. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Edwards. >> Mr. Johnson >> in uh in 2019 I spent hours and hours and hours in a workshop here in this room and uh spent a lot of time at home working on it me and and many people
including Michael Mjack. It had to do with uh sustainability. So um a report was was prepared on sustainability of the city of Titusville. to include what was in in the workshop. Well, they excluded all the information
that I I gave them. I gave them all the information about the city of Titusville has not been uh uh living up to uh inspection and and uh construction of ditches and canals, keeping them
maintained and so forth. and it was all removed. So, I was very disappointed. I went to Joe Dairo and uh complaining about Brad Parish and Eddie Glendo who were co-authors of this of this
sustainability report and they admitted their guilt. They admitted it. So, what did they do? They they said they they said that they went ahead and added a affidavit that I had regarding this particular issue as
an addendum. It's not there anymore. So what we have is overwhelming exhausting fraud right here by the city of Titusville that's not that's not enforced at all.
In other words, Jonah Joe Jo they they com confessed their crime and we're talking about millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars that wasn't hasn't been budgeted. It goes on right now. Right now we still
have the fraud by Mr. Parish. We still have the fraud by Eddie Glento. We have new fraud from a new s sustainability manager. I don't remember her name. Galo or something like that. This is
horrible. And we let it continue. Millions, millions, millions of dollars. That's false. It's a false report to FD. So I just re today I've asked you several times. I said, "Who can I report
this fraud to?" Because obviously when it's reported to the city of Titusville, it gets ignored and and disposed of dishonestly. It's not funny. It's not funny at all. So, here we have a democracy in in which the we hope for truth and justice and so
forth. And we don't get it. We get lies. We got lies. Mr. Parish is a liar, a cheating on fraudster. So is Eddie Glendo on this issue. So is some other people. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson.
>> Please do something. Thank you. Shortly after the exwater resources director quit, right after being pushed on public records about water test, some false allegations were made about a
nonprofit owner. executive director, Miss Bailey. You all are aware of it. I know that you're going to pretend that you weren't, but they turned out to be very false accusations. It was a strange thing that
happened. Why would he do that? Why Why would he want to discredit somebody who'd worked so hard in our community to bring such good information to our people? Learning that there was 176 parts per trillion uh POS in my
drinking water was a pretty substantial revelation for me and my family. I don't want to drink poison. I don't think any of you do. Then Stan Johnston gets a water sample at a park and gets charged with like felony terrorism or something. It's
absolutely ridiculous charges for somebody that was simply getting a water sample from the park. Some of you celebrated that when he was arrested, held for three days, and denied his medication. Then Vicky Conklin runs for mayor.
Woman who had a stellar career as a hospice nurse. Mr. Earl Johnston was her campaign manager. He was helping her out. And Mr. Connors decides to put up fake signs in the middle of the night, hiding under a bush, trying to discredit her,
claim she was something she wasn't, whatever it was, they were illegal signs. They ended up with charges against them. Now, in all four of these cases, those accusations were dropped or dismissed.
None of them had any founding whatsoever. Do you wonder why? Do you wonder why? Because what I think is that all four of those people had one thing in common, and that was the right to clean water.
Our constitutional right as people here, as voters, as taxpayers, was denied. We got it on the ballot. We passed it. And you guys spent I don't even know how much money. I'm sure Miss Shif probably can tell me that number. how much money
was spent on this attorney and that attorney trying to fight the citizens and every step of the way and the whole reason that I'm even coming here repeatedly is that everything you do seems anti-citizen.
I don't know what the answers are all the time, but I do know that when you try to shut the public down, and when you pretend that facts are lies, and when you just ignore and put blinders on, and you say things like, "We all do unethical things, and we should investigate ourselves," you guys are
looking in the wrong direction for answers. >> Thank you, Mr. Speaker. >> All right, seeing no more petitions and requests, I'm going to close that item. Member Nelson, you have the floor. Uh, I want to clarify something. Stan was not
arrested for getting a water sample. He was arrested for trespassing on a construction site. The construction supervisor told him not to return. He did. And the case wasn't dismissed. He went
through a diversion program. >> No, it didn't. >> Member Nelson has the floor. Please return to your seat. I wasn't addressed. >> You were not. >> We're moving on. >> Interesting. Everybody else saw her address. >> She was talking out. I closed petitions
and requests. >> Thank you, city manager. >> So, moving on to consent agenda. We have eight items on the consent agenda. Any member of council wish to pull any of those items for further discussion? Member Nelson,
>> I'd like to uh pull E >> 8 E >> and get some further information. It just wasn't really clear in package. >> Member Mscoso. >> Uh I'd like to pull 8G. >> All right, cool. So, only two items be
pulled. So, now we're on consent items A, B, C, D, F, and G. City manager. >> Yes, sir. Uh consent agenda item 8A, Clean Vessel Act Grant CV00006,
8B, Fiscar FY uh 2025 annual comprehensive financial report. 8 C the 2026 Red, White, and Boom July 4th celebration. 8D, America 250 semiquincential parade and event.
8F the Titusville City Hall chiller replacement duct cleaning and encapsulation and 8H purchase of doc access website ADA compliant software through Civic Plus. >> All right, you just read H. I heard that
one. But we're on AB CD FG, correct? >> A B C D F H >> FH >> My bad. I thought I circled H. >> Thought we pulled 8, E, and HG.
>> Oh, G. Got it. Thank you. City clerk, can you call any cards? >> Uh, yes, sir. One individual has submitted a card on several of the consent agenda items if that information is needed. Alto together, it's 8B, E, G,
and H, which I understand partly pulled. Is >> that Mr. Johnson? Uh, >> yes, sir. And Stan Johnston. >> Mr. Johnson, you have the floor. Okay. >> I'm trying to clarify what I have is that we're going the E and G were were pulled. Correct. >> Correct.
>> Okay. So, I get to speak on on the uh the the B and H and then I can speak also on 8 E and H E. That's will give me 3 * 3 is nine minutes. >> Yeah, that sounds about right. >> Okay. Very good. All right. Um so, uh I'll start with um
8B. Well, that's fraud. I've talked to this about fraud and and I've I've read my position and it's internal audit and I've given information to u uh the auditor that was here and he's not here.
He left. He's not here. We can't talk to him. Uh and we're talking about millions and millions of dollars and he's not here. He's not here for this agenda item. I don't know how how that happened. I mean, I can't ask him questions. I can ask you guys questions
about it, but I can't ask him because I don't know, maybe he was in a hurry or maybe you don't pay him enough. But the thing is is what I did. I gave him questions and and email about city's fraud. That's
what I did to him. So I'm talking about and right now I'm talking about 8B is that my goodness what kind of a what you guys have done is you set up something. Here's what you set up. You've set up a meeting where you have presentations no
public input which I've already complained about that at the last meeting. That's what you did. And so so we're supposed to we're supposed to discuss this but the guy's not here. What is this going on? What kind of nonsense is this? And you did it also
for you did it also for the people who were doing the storm water system. I had all kinds of questions. I'm sure Mike Magack I had questions and other people too. We're not allowed to ask questions to the person who was here making the presentation. We don't know input by the way on that
is that the situation is is that I I talked to Mr. my jacked after after the guy left and and and the lady also I said we have an estuary that's in big trouble big big trouble it's not flourishing
it's not even an estuary anymore it's just a polluted almost dead zone except for the grass is starting to grow it's it's horrible it's horrible we used to have fireflies out the at the at the
uh Merit Island. Lots of fireflies. Where are they now? A lot of things are just dead. They're dead. There's a lot of things here that are in the river that are dead. They're not there anymore. I can't find hermit crabs. I I don't think I can find any seahorses
anymore. I don't think I can find them in the brittle starfish because you guys hold back and will not test for poisons. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City clerk, are there any other cards on any of those items? >> No, sir.
>> All right. Any discussion from this board? Member Nelson. >> By the way, Laura Lee and I found it seahorse last summer. >> Good. >> So, I can make a motion though. >> Move to approve consent agenda items A,
B, C, D, F, and H. >> Second. Have >> a motion by member Nelson. Second by Vice Mayor Cole. Any further discussion? City clerk, can you call the role, please? >> Member Muscoso, >> yes. >> Member Nelson, >> yes. >> Mayor Connors,
>> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole, >> yes. >> Member Stokel, >> yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you very much. Under uh 8E, city manager. >> Yes, sir. That is to approve resolution number 6-2026 for the updated trial reimbursement
administrative policy 1-1, which is included in your agenda packet. >> Thank you very much, city clerk. There any cards? >> Uh, yes sir. One card. Stan Johnston. >> My name is Stan Johnson. I've objected for some of the traveling that has been done. And some of you were surprised
when I I I disapproved of you going to Tallahassing and having and partying there, especially all the problems we have with the city. Because what you need to be doing is something else. You need to be responding to the questions that we ask. You need to respond to the
millions of dollars that I have repeatedly talked to you about about the city is not budgeting properly. It's fraud. It's fraud what you're doing. You have no business making all these trips around and having parties. I don't I just don't I I think it's it's
not bad. It's horrible what you're doing. You're you're cooperating with fraud when you don't when you don't respond to these issues that I bring to you on emails and bring to you on counsel. You're fraud. You're liars and cheats.
The four of you right here, you're in the same group as Mr. Parish. Liars and cheats about what's going on here. It's disgusting. You're just disgusting. And I'm not pleased with what you're doing. And uh on this particular one, travel
and reimbursement. I'm against you guys doing anything outside of the city. You need to work here. You're getting paid to do it and you're not doing your job. Excuse me. I'm not talking about this blonde girl. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City Cler, are there any other cards? >> Yes, sir. >> Member Nelson.
>> Um Tom, could you tell us what changes were made in travel policy? >> Yes, ma'am. There basically three changes. one, we relaxed the um requirement to adhere to the GSA lodging rate. If the uh hotel in which a
conference is being conducted is the host hotel, then it makes sense for networking as long as it's not unreasonable. If it exceeds the GSA rate, that would be approved by this city manager. Also, we raised a threshold from $500 to $1,000 for
council uh approval for travel. Nowadays, if you go to a conference more than one or two days, you're going to easily exceed $1,000 um travel. And also, we for transparency, we included the city manager and the city attorney.
If we should travel to go to conferences and exceed $1,000, it would have to be approved by city council. Those are the three. And the requirement is by ordinance that the travel policy is approved by the city council, not by the city manager. >> Okay.
Any other questions? Is there a motion? >> I'd move to approve item consent agenda item eight. >> E. >> Second. >> Motion by member Nelson, second by Vice Mayor Cole. Any further discussion?
City attorney, did you have something to add? >> Oh, I'm just anticipating G. >> Okay. City clerk. >> Yes. Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. Vice Mayor Cole, >> yes. >> Member Stokel, >> yes. >> Member Mscoso,
>> yes. >> Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much, city manager. And so, moving on to HG is the repealing resolution 24-1997 and establishing revised quasi judicial procedures in resolution 07-2026.
And I'll defer to the city attorney to explain that item. >> Are there any I You pulled it. Uh, Council Member Mscos, do you have questions regarding the >> Yeah, I do. Would you mind just going through and explaining it a little bit? How is it different than possibly what we had before?
>> Well, it has been condensed and to be more concise and clear for not only staff but also for um board members, council members as well as PNZ administrative uh boards that quasi judicial hearings come before. The
original resolution was in 1997. It was in the city attorney's office opinion very um lengthy and cumbersome. It was 11 pages. Uh we've condensed it to six pages of relevant and updated
information as as the law has changed and as um we believe is relevant to the quasi judicial hearings that's before the the council and boards. Um and previously was there the party intervenor as well or is that a new addition?
>> That's a new addition based on that party interveners can be um a part of quasi judicial hearing if they want >> uh for the public. Would you explain what that is? >> That's if a third party apart from the applicant and the city who are usually
the parties in a quasi judicial hearing. If a third party who has who may be affected regarding the application or their property is affected, of course there's a legal standard. They can intervene once given notice to the um city and I
believe based on the or the resolution, it's to the community development department. >> Thank you. Um the one part that I I would like to clean up a little bit. Um it doesn't say um who will determine if that person um can be a party
intervenor. It's very I feel like it's very broad. Um it might say the board. Um but I think I would love for it to say the um city attorney would be the one to be able to judge if that person has uh meets the standards to be a party
intervener. Um, and I'm just saying that based off of some other issues we've had in the city where um, you know, with our BAA, one of uh, one of the members of the city was not able to present. They said that, you know, her her property wasn't close enough. And so, I want to
make sure that we have that locked down on who is the person that actually will verify and say this person is qualified to be a party intervenor. >> Well, the resolution in of itself defines what a party intervenor is as well as an effective person. Party intervenor means an affected person who
has filed a notice of intent to participate. It also goes back to 2.2 that defines what an affected person is or who an affected person is >> but who determine >> who means the definition in the reso says in 2.2 affected person means a
person or persons natural or corporate who's the owner of the subject property her who owns property abuing real property that is the subject of the proposed change. So it defines um a party intervenor by using 2.2 as well as 2.7.
>> So who determines say someone says I'm a party intervener and then >> so they would file based on VZO they would file the notice of intent to participate and then the community development department will see if they meet the definition in the resolution
which is 2.2 affected person means and it defines what >> so it's the community development department. I would like to add that it would be the city attorney would be the one to determine that. >> I wouldn't necessarily have an objection if that's what council wants to change
Lorzo to determine. Again, it's not going to be a subjective determination. Understand? >> Yeah. And I'm not asking for it to be subjective. Just to look over it and say yes, you are qualified or no, you aren't. I think it would just clear up possibly any gray areas if it's coming from the city attorney.
member Nelson. >> If that's what council desires, >> I wouldn't have a problem with city attorney doing it. Normally, the tribunal, which would be us or the board, would make that decision of whether it's not a denovo decision.
It's do you meet this criteria? So I guess my question is do you feel comfortable doing it or would you feel more comfortable with board doing it? >> I believe someone outside the board would have to do it because it's it
needs to be noticed in time to be able to appear for the quasi judicial hearing before the board. So that would be my recommendation. Again, it's not a subjective standard. It would be determined by the definitions outlined in the reszo. Whether the board wants
the city attorney to do it or the community development, who I know Brad would be happy if the city attorney's office does it. Honestly, at this point, uh, I don't have an issue. I'd prefer the city attorney. >> Well, before y'all get into motions
made, is that the only kind of tweak we're looking at? I believe there is a card on this item, so I want to make sure I get to that. City clerk. >> Uh, yes. One card. Stan Johnston. >> I'd like you to listen this time to what I have to say and the people here in the
audience also. Here's what's going on. I'm a professional engineer and the city of Titusville is doing some things that are horrible, horrible crimes that are committed. For example, the dams that were constructed in the city of Titusville. All of them, all of them are illegal. They have they don't have
compensatory storage. They didn't do the survey to show what lands they flood. They don't show the the change in the wetlands. They're all taking a property. And you guys, the four of you made an oath of office to protect and defend the the Constitution of the United States.
>> Mr. Johnson, please. >> 14th Amendment. This has very much to do with what quasi judicial my testimony in this in this area and quasi judicial hearings. So what's going on is these violations and this is a violation of
your oath of office 14th amendment of the constitution taking property without due process of law. It's a big deal and I think that I should be able to talk when it's not my house affected or when it's not my property affected although my property is affected in this case and
many peoples are affected and you guys ignore the law and you break the law you break the constitution. So I do not want this to be uh selectively find out that I have to post three days ahead of time something like that about being able to speak on quasi judicial items. As a
professional engineer licensed by the state I should be allowed to to to speak on violations of law by the city of Titusville. But you don't want me to speak on violations of laws because you guys what you do instead of obeying you cover them up. And that's what's been
going on for many, many, many years. It's disgusting. And I'm trying to find out who I can contact. >> Mr. Johnson topic. We're talking about the rules of quasa. >> Exactly. In other words, that's whether I'm allowed to participate or not. And
you should be >> you should you should be listening to to what's going on. >> All right, Mr. Johnson, please have a seat. You're not on topic. You're not on topic. Please have a seat. >> Oh, I'm on topic. Very much so. >> No, you're not. very much very much on topic. >> Mr. Johnson, please. >> So, how can I not be on topic when I'm talking about my my ability to talk at
cross judicial hearings? >> That's not what you were talking about. Thank you. Have a seat. >> That's what we are talking about. That's what So, okay. I'm going to ask my attorney to see if we can if we can do this because you repeatedly break the constitution including freedom of speech. I'm sitting down as you directed
under under duress. Thank you, >> Member Stokel. >> Yes. Um to clarify with the 2.2 2 when it says who owns property abudding. How do we define a budding? Is that within 500 ft of the proposed
item becoming before us or how do we determine that? >> I did not I specifically did not put a an amount um measurement because again it's you know a budding adjacent uh to the uh property in question. So there is
no um number limitation. >> Okay. And I'm just thinking about um for instance when we had the Apollo Gardens where member Mscoso used to live, would she had been able to file as an intervenor under this potentially because she lived on the street that was
close to the proposal? >> Well again >> or would she have to be like right next door? >> I think abuing given the definition the regular definition is adjacent next to is that definition again that this does not preclude anyone from speaking on quasi
judicial as public comments. This is an added step to in someone whose ab budding properties in question can intervene as a party intervenor more rights than just regular public comments. >> Okay. Um I guess so and another example
I guess would be with this Royal Oak proposed development, the Gemini Lakes, would a person that potentially lived in the community but wasn't directly right on the golf course but they lived across the street. Did that count as a budding or >> I think again we would just have to go to the definition of Webster unless we
want to define more or expand more a budding but a budding is usually adjacent next to is is the definition >> and I think I don't think we want to have it as open to anyone within in the vicinity or that the case law restricts
or limits the uh an amount of distance but the the budding is usually a next to adjacent giving that person a little bit more of an interest in the um property that that's before the council that's in
question for the amendment. >> Okay. And then on page 119 under the hearing procedure, is there a reason that that particular at the bottom was underlined? >> No, that's just what's going to be spoken uh stated on the record.
>> Okay. That's the the quasi judicial proceedings that we'll just be stating. There's not a particular reason why it was underlined other than to emphasize this needs to be put on the record by you probably myself or >> maybe the city clerk at some point. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Sure. >> Mosa. >> Yes. Um I'm just going to piggyback on that abuing. I know it seems like very trivial, but what I don't want to see is a developer and then a resident come up and then both say one say yes. Um I I my
definition is I'm a budding and the definition for the developer saying you're not a budding. And so that that's why I wanted to make sure that it comes to you. But I would like to know and put that in exactly what what that means according to your definition so that it's clear on both sides
>> and I can um added a definition uh to the resolution and bring it back before council. >> Thank you. I know it's it seems trivial but I think it will just help us in the future. >> So can I make a motion? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, I haven't done a motion in a
while. You're always doing them. >> Motion to table it to the next meeting. >> Are we tableabling it so that we can get that definition >> definition? >> Well, that would not be the appropriate motion. >> Yes. >> Um, >> because we table means we pick it back
up later on. If you folks want to postpone the uh the uh approving the reszo for another hearing directing me to define a budding changing uh community development department to city attorney. That's fine. >> Yes. Thank you.
>> Yeah. >> So there's a motion by member Mscoso to postpone this item till another meeting in the future. I'm sure you're going to want to leave it open-ended right to whenever they bring it back. Do you want to give a time certain as far as when
you want me to bring this before council? >> That's what I'm asking. >> Yeah. I mean, our next meeting, I'm going to guess, is the 14th. Could you bring it back then? Okay. Thank you. Okay. Until the 14th of April. >> Thank you. >> May I inquire if the council would want it on the consent or you want to take it
off consent? At this point, >> I'm fine with it being on consent because we've discussed it. >> I am too. >> All right. So, there's a motion by member of Mscoso. >> Second. Second by Vice Mayor Cole. >> I want to say all those in favor, but I know it's a reszo, but we're not that's
not the motion on the table, so it's tricking my brain. >> All those in favor say I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries. >> The matter is postponed. Thank you very much, >> city manager. >> Yes, sir. There are no items under ordinances, second reading. Move on to
item 10, ordinances, first reading. As I uh stated at the beginning of the meeting, uh 10A, the live local ordinance was pulled by staff. So, we'll move on to 10B, which is a resoning application number 8-2025
for 317 Oleander Place. And uh this is the first reading of ordinance number 7-2026. And Mr. Parish will read the ordinance. An ordinance amending ordinance number
5-993 of the city of Titusville, Florida by amending the zoning map made a part of set ordinance by reference by changing the zoning district on property located at 317 Oleander Place from the Indian River City neighborhood commercial IRCNC zoning district to the Indian River City neighborhood
residential IRCNR zoning district on 18 plus or minus acres of property having a partial ID of 22-35-22-3-3-10-5 providing for severability repeal of conflicting ordinances incorporation into code and providing for an effective
date. >> Thank you, Mr. Parish. City clerk, are there any cards? >> Uh, yes, sir. Two cards versus Stan Johnston. Mayor, if I may, >> city attorney, >> this is a quasi judicial um item, so I
would just want to read the quasi judicial proceedings instructions on the record. >> Thank you. >> Okay. During the public hearing portion of the meeting, anyone wishing to speak on a quasi judicial item must complete and sign a speaker card along with the corresponding oath. The cards are
located on the table in chambers. City staff will make the initial presentation followed by the applicant's presentation and then the hearing will be open for public comments. The applicant may make a brief rebuttal if desired. Witnesses may be cross-examined and all photographs, sketches or documents for
the hearing must be submitted to the city clerk and will be retained by the city. I don't know if that there's going to be an applicant or presentation, but just reading the quasi judicial proceedings for the record. >> Thank you. Thanks,
>> Mr. Johnson. >> My name is Stan Johnson. I'm a professional engineer and also have a license in land surveying. I pass. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Johnson. City Clerk,
>> Keith Edwards. >> Keith Edwards, Titusville. You guys, you got to be very careful with this planning and zoning. I mean, we've got an inner structure that's failing. We're we're below grade on
that. We're trying to seek solutions to what we have. Um, we've got to be able to think ahead of the program, such as BT Welding for an example, a great company and everything, but when they
bring in their steel loads, right, they take up a one-way street with a no passing zone right in front of a traffic light. So, you know, I caution you. I'm making this short and sweet, but we really have to be serious about how
we're going to plan the future and where we're going with it and how we develop. That'll be all. >> Thank you very much. Any other cards? >> All right. I do believe this is the
first reading, correct? >> So, not seeing any other lights from council. Moving on. City Manager. >> Yes, >> sir. Moving on to 11 uh old business. We have one item 11A, which is the proposed updated council chamber meeting
guidelines. And again, that was uh drafted by our city attorney. >> Thank you very much. City clerk, are there any cards? >> Uh yes, sir. Two cards versus Tony Shipalone. 42418 the rules for decorum council
chamber guidelines. Uh number 10 was just simply the use of profane and obscene language wouldn't be allowed. um 72220 the version introduced um a 10-minute total time limit for the consent agenda.
People could speak uh 10 minutes total on that and um before they could only speak three minutes on each item. 32323 they reduced the consent agenda speaking
time to 3 minutes total. 92523 we strengthened section 10 on decorum. It went from being just no profane signs to a whole big long paragraph
etc etc etc. And then um on this new version now we're seeing the most changes. And the reason why these changes have come about it seems to me as a citizen who's been participating in
um in council meetings is to keep things from becoming a circus. Therefore, one of the new things that you're putting in here, and a lot of this stuff, I'd like to say just add lib
that um it's pretty much directed at one citizen who gets up here and speaks all the time. A lot of it. And um what I want to address is the material now about number eight, section eight. Plards or signs are only
permitted in the back of the room. And sometimes y'all get that wrong because they are allowed. It says unless utilized during a speaker's public comment period. I'm making a public comment and so
therefore I Oh, but my goodness, the signs when a speaker is speaking on a particular item, any sign or placard displayed must be related to that item and they can only be 18 in by 24. I had to put together four pieces of paper to
make 18 by 24. But that's this size and a poster board is like this size. It's um 28 by 22. And I'm wondering,
would y'all make me cut my signs up to get it down to this size? I don't know that I don't know that circus would fit 18 by 22.
I think that's a very silly thing to try and limit the size of the signs and and and I'm going to be around another couple of years watching. >> Thank you, Mifflo. City clerk, >> Stan Johnston.
>> Don't we need to Stan Johnson? Don't we need to applaud for that? What >> Van Hart did? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um um I I even brought a sign here too. And I'm not sure if I'm going to be held
held uh to to sit down or not because it seems in the past I have been and but now maybe it's I'm I'm holding it up and I'm not being told to sit down. So it's
seems to be incon it's inconsistent. What's going on is that is that I was repeatedly told to sit down and this is this is a serious issue. This is our constitution freedom of speech issue and you and you're taking it very lightly
except for Mrs. Muscoso. Okay. Better than saying the blonde. Okay. So, so uh uh and and I would think that Mr. Cole, who's a veteran, would would take special notice of this because we have freedoms that they don't have other
places like in the Soviet Union, in Mexico, and many other places. We're supposed to have these freedoms, but we don't have it in Titusville. We don't have in Titusville. In other words, I've been told repeatedly, I cannot do a presentation
and with a sign because my presentation is not considered a presentation. So, I talked to my attorney and he's disappointed. I talked to talked to to Jolen Don Dan Hoffman about what she wrote. In other words, when I was when I was removed from freedom of speech, she
wrote about a sentence and a half, something like that about what happened where we had presentations and arguments by Mr. Connors about sit down, sit down and all this kind of stuff. And yet, and I even asked I even asked our our our city
clerks to go ahead at that time and be sure to put it in the meeting minutes and they were for certain instead of being sure it's not there. They were sure that it's not in there. So, we have in our corruption, I want to say this, that's corrupt by our city clerk's
office, too, because they're working with you to dis to to take away our freedom of speech. I don't like what you're doing. It's ugly. And it will not be printed in the in the floor today. They will not repent anything. They will
not print anything against the city of Titusville. You can break all kinds of laws. You can spray all kinds of people with sewage, piss and poop, and you can get away with it because it will not be in our free press. Well, maybe there might be some other
free press, Bard News perhaps. But other than that is that what we have if we have a stinking rotten government in Titusville by four members of our council who are liars, cheats, and fraudsters. Any
questions? Any other cards? City clerk. Any other cards? >> All right. Council, any discussion? >> City attorney? >> Oh. >> Oh, >> no. No, I was waiting. >> I saw your leg go. Member Nelson,
>> I do have one um thing that I wanted to bring up. One of the questions was who determines initially if something is relevant or not. And to in my mind, I think it should be clear that the mayor
makes an initial determination or whoever is running the meeting. And if the rest of us disagree that it becomes a vote for the board, just to make it clear,
um I will say I was the one that brought this up because I wanted all our rules on one page as opposed to having to go search 10 different years to try to figure out where all the rules were. So, I
appreciate that you did this. Thank you. >> Thank you. Member Nelson, city attorney. >> Uh, thank you. Um, no, I believe the history which is attached to my report has been that for the past year, council has directed prior to me being here,
staff andor the city attorney's office to make some changes or updates to the guidelines. Specifically, I think which what has been at issue is the signage. um albeit whether it's a circus or the quorum or order. However, I think since
I've been here the past 5 months, there's been a back and forth as far as as far as whether signs can be used and the issue was whether it's presentation versus public comment. So, the city attorney's office wanted to cl to make it a little bit clear by uh amending or
updating number eight saying that balanced with first amendment rights understandably, but still wanting to maintain some decorum and order for council meetings, which we're we're we're within our right to do uh balance again with first amendment rights. So we
we made these suggestions that uh during public comments signs can be used restricting the signs not to be billboard like signs at the podium but instead be placed at the uh back of the the room. So that was kind of our suggestion um in in amending these uh
rules. >> I think it's a good compromise. One of my problems has always been people get these signs and they're up at the podium. I'm trying to pay attention to the speaker. I have somebody waving
signs around. One night we had somebody taking their sign and basically doing this to somebody who was trying to speak and it just it became a circus where I wasn't paying attention to the speaker.
I was paying attention to the signs and that drove me crazy. Um, so it's not that I don't mind I mind signs. I guess it's the behavior with it.
So I think that's good compromise by turning around and restricting the size of the sign and then if people um act otherwise then we address that. In
addition, not only the size of the um the sign, but also that it has to be related to the topic because again, we still want some order in the quorum in spite of what just occurred, we still want some the quorum and um order. So, in our council meeting,
so that everyone's um you know, able to say what they want to say, but also be respectful of other people in the audience. Member Mscoso. >> Um, can I just ask a clarifying question? Um, so if residents are they
allowed to hold signs if they're not speaking? >> I believe based on the uh guidelines, the signs can be placed at the back of the the uh council chambers. If you're doing public speaking, you can have a
sign as long as it's on po on on topic as to the item you're speaking on, whether it's an item on the agenda or it's at petitions request. Um, >> but if you're not um presenting like I've seen um not necessarily here, but I've seen in other council meetings if
there's a group that's against a reszone, they'll hold up like a no reszone sign. Would that be prohibited? currently under your guidelines that has been in place prior to the a the amendments being made here. No, I that
that's signs being held up while sitting in the audience is not provided for here. The signs can be placed in the uh >> so those are not permitted. >> Correct. except for if you're doing public comments at the podium. But if you have a sign, you again, just
like the sign we're looking at here, you can place it at the uh back of the chambers per the guidelines that that are in place. Now, council can change the guidelines. These are your guidelines if you want. Uh these are just uh recommendation
based on again council going back and forth as it pertains to signs being used during presentation public comments at the podium. >> Sorry. >> We had um and one of our uh BAA meetings we had someone hold up a sign um sitting
sitting down holding up a little sign and they were removed from the chamber. I can't speak as to that, but again, if someone's sitting down and holding up a sign, you have to be cognizant. Is there someone behind them that can't see again, you know, council, it's it's at
your um preference what you want. But, you know, those are just things that you have to think about. If someone's sitting down and holding up a sign, are they blocking someone that's behind them? >> Yeah, I'm personally okay if someone's sitting with a sign. It doesn't bother me. I'm fine with the restrictions of
the size of the sign when you come up, but um if someone wants to hold a little sign that I I'm okay with it. Um as long as it's not distracting or um blocking someone's view as somebody who has to enforce all these rules. By the way, I think it's just
important that we have clear rules, clear expectations, and everybody knows what their role is and what you're allowed or not allowed to do. And to member Nelson's point, over the years, it's kind of been a hodgepodge of this different resolution or this different thing and uh things that conflict with,
you know, the ordinances. So, I'm glad that, you know, we went through and hopefully put together a nice u list that we can all agree on so that we can conduct business in in the these chambers. So, I'll entertain a motion to approve if anybody's uh done with
discussion. Member Nelson. >> I would move to approve the updated council chamber meeting guidelines. >> Second. >> I have a motion by member Nelson. Second by Vice Mayor Cole. Discussion. Me Scoso. >> Would you be open to a friendly
amendment of allowing small signs? >> I thought about it and I don't think so. And I think the problem is not that the small signs are a problem, but the
enforcement. It's like how do you I mean we're asking these guys to enforce our guidelines now. And I think we would just be making it more complicated. So say the no reason
t-shirts I Yeah, I have no problem with that. Uh but the actually having the signs I sort of have a problem. >> All righty. So no further discussion. City clerk, can you call the role?
>> Uh excuse me, mayor. I'm sorry. May I make the clarification? Uh council member Nelson, are you making the motion including the mayor makes a determination regarding the related what? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I'm sorry. Yes. >> All right. So, member Nelson uh adapted
her motion to include that the mayor gets determined whether this sign is on topic. Vice Mayor Cold, is your second still stand? >> Yes. >> Any further discussion? City clerk. >> Uh, yes. And thank you for clarifying. Uh, Mayor Connors, >> yes.
>> Vice Mayor Cole, >> yes. >> Member Stokel, >> yes. >> Member Mscoso, >> no. >> And member Nelson, >> yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you very much, city manager. >> Yes, sir. Are there no items under new business? So, we move on to item 13. Uh,
second round of petitions. >> All right. Petitions are request from the public. Present agenda items. Seeing I think everybody already spoke the first time around, so I'm not seeing any. Last call. All right. Moving on.
Council reports. Member Muscoso, do you have anything? Member Nelson. >> No. >> All right. Member Stokel. >> No. >> Vice Mayor Cole. >> No. >> All right. Um, so I'm sorry, guys. I
have a few things I'd like to uh bring up with you guys. And the first one I I did put on my report. It's our zoning district titled planned industrial development. And if you look at where our PI zones are located, they're out by the airport, which is FAA certified spaceport. That's where you would see
industrial development. And I think um we're having some some challenges with that because of what we're missing. And I think when you live in an economy that is space related, it's hard to predict what research and
development and um the space industry is going to go. And per the intent of the PID zoning district, it was to induce aerospace manufacturing. However, it doesn't permit manufacturing uh because if you're not allowed to do
welding, that kind of comes into it um or manufacturing. That makes it a little tough. And the P zoning district is a planned industrial development. How can you not allow industry in a planned industrial development? And while I get it's hard to kind of predict where these
things are going given in sorry I just think it would be important for us to have the conversation of what all should fall into that bucket as we kind of uncovered uh during my last report that we didn't allow indoor
recreation in our city which is kind of an issue. I want to make sure that we're not setting us up for failure. If everybody believes that economic development and aerospace, business, commercial, uh, enterprise should come to our airport area, um, we should look
at what does that look like? And I think an avenue of opportunity that we're missing in the industrial um, permitted zoning district is aerospace and defense related manufacturing. Because when you get a company that's coming here looking at,
you know, building a rocket, I think there's a lot of things that are encompassed in building a rocket. You can't just put it in a box and say it's manufacturing. They do welding. They might mix some epoxies or chemicals to refurbish satellites. Like all these things come into play. And I I feel bad
for Brad and his team who have to go, well, I don't know what box do you fit in. So, if you look at the usage table under plan industrial development and kind of scroll down to industrial, I think there's some things missing that I would like your guys' support to ask our
staff to to look at. And like I said, aerospace and defense related manufacturing meetings, fabrication, assembly, processing, repair, testing, integration of aircraft, spacecraft, satellites, rockets, unmanned uh aerial
vehicles, defense systems or related components. And and when you think about it with this whole idea of R&D, it's research, so it's new. Of course, we want to have a code for it. So, how do we put a box into that or how do we put that company into a box? And so, that's
where I think, you know, as we look and try to plan uh what does 20 years out look for us, it's important that we have a conversation as to what a planned development looks like from an industry base. member Stokal.
>> Um, so is your request for advisability, is that what you're looking for? >> I mean, yeah, I think we could solve it pretty easily by adding some some uh categories because if you look at the types of industries, I mean, a lot of them I think are older in nature. It
doesn't have anything about aerospace or defense or research and development. um it just a lot of uh maybe older industries that don't you know we're not obviously looking to attract here. >> Okay. >> Thank you.
>> You know it really makes sense uh because those are the types of industries that that are coming in and I totally agree with you. If a industry is coming in to make rockets or whatever they're going to make, uh obviously welding and manufacturing is included
and if it's not in that then we need to work it so it can be in that because we may be restricting commercial industries for coming in here to Titusville. >> Thank you. Member Nelson,
>> there's um that complex that's on US1 just as you get into Fort St. John and they were doing welding in there. There was a space related industry. I want to say they
were doing satell. How did they get around this kind of thing? Are you talking about the Titusville Logistics Center? >> Yes. Thank you. >> And uh yeah, I'm not really familiar what they're doing in there.
>> I was hope hoping Mr. Parish had an answer for us. >> I know it have to look to see what the zoning is on the property to see how it was permitted. >> Okay. >> Yeah, because they could be M1, M2, M3, but the planned industrial development is planned industrial and we don't allow
industrial. >> I thought that was I don't know. >> So, I don't have any problem with it. It's probably a good idea to look at it and update it. >> The property you're asking about is uh
zoned heavy industrial manufacturing. >> Okay. >> So, it's not a P zoning. >> Okay. The P is primarily located at the Vector Space Development, which is that property at the southeast corner of 405
and South Washington. Uh P is also the area where the uh police uh department is located and everything south of them. >> Okay. >> So that P area is pretty much the airport, right? The airport has a different zoning itself, but the area
that in question is there's a large area just between 407 and u Grien Parkway south of 405. You probably have the land use maps in front of you. You can see that purple area in the southwest part of the city. >> Well, the airport zone public, but it
has a space overlay. >> So, >> there's the trusty Yeah. >> But anyways, I think we need to at least look at other definitions of what industrial is, especially out in that
area, especially with research development. What does that look like? Um, a lot of these companies are, you know, taking something from nothing and turn it into something that doesn't quite fit in a box. So, I want to make sure we're receptive so that we can have
business coming into the city. before it becomes an issue. >> Member Stol, >> do you want to see if there's any cards and then I'd be happy to make a motion. >> Is there any cards on my agenda item? >> Uh, yes, sir. Stan Johnston submits for
this. >> Stan Johnston. And uh it certainly is a a a special problem and I thank Mr. Connors for bringing it up. Uh I'm not sure what the solution is, but um uh one of the things that when you do
manufacturing, you use water often times to clean things and and it's going down our sewers. You might not like me telling you this, but that's what's happening in some places where they are zoned the P
is that that u uh the sewers are being polluted with chemicals. So, uh, whatever you do, I don't know whether you should contact um the sewage or sewage so forth because as far as I
can see is some of the manholes have been eroded because of the costic materials that uh have been put in our sanitary sewer which are illegal. So, I'm just let I'm asking you to to think about what's going on and ask what's
going on because uh um our our um putting it in our our our St. John's River that just goes into somebody's house downstream. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. >> All right. Cards are called member still. >> Yep. uh make a motion for staff to or advisability for staff to look at our PD zoning and see what we can do to potentially make it more friendly for
aerospace industry to be able to potentially do some development in that area. >> Second. >> I have a motion by member Stokal, second by Vice Mayor Cole. Any further discussion? City clerk, call the role, please.
>> Uh yes. May I also clarify the area? Are you describing like a boundary or in a general area? >> Uh, I think it's just all planned industrial development. >> All PI, >> of course. Thank you for letting me clarify that.
>> Uh, our roll call. Vice Mayor Cole, >> yes. >> Member Stokel, >> yes. Member Mscoso, >> yes. >> Member Nelson, >> yes. >> Mayor Connors, >> yes. Thank you very much, council. I appreciate you uh supporting me in that. Hopefully we can, like I said, make it a
little easier. Uh, also I had a person come up to me over the weekend and said that, you know, we do National Day of Prayer on City Hall steps every year and it's a a great community event where people come and we we pray over our
city. Um there's an organization that's trying to pray over all Bvard and so they're doing it at a park in Palm Bay, a park in Vieiraa, and they were looking to do it at a park in Titusville. So they would be there just kind of with the tent set up and allow people to come
and pray at their leisure or they would sit there and read the book of of the Bible for that day. And they were looking for May 3rd through May 7th culminating with National Day of Prayer. Um, and apparently they're going through the county parks and recreation system
and having a little bit of a challenge because this is not an organization. It's just a group of people that want to get together and pray. Uh, so I was asking council if we could allow them to do that in one of our parks without having to uh, you know, make them go
through the rigma roll that um, encompasses putting on a a public event like that. Um, so I wanted to see what you guys thought of it. They were looking at, you know, just setting up at Veterans Memorial Park and sitting there and if anybody wants to come out and pray, let them pray.
>> Yeah. I don't see what the why they're having an issue to begin with. I feel like >> it's technically open to the public. So, anytime you do that, parks and rec going to make you do the insurance and all the other things that come with that. >> Okay. No. >> Okay.
>> All right. If they want to go to Veterans Park and pray, I >> Yeah, >> I I think they're trying to do the right thing and do it by the book and make sure they have the, you know, official blessing. >> Do we, Mr. Abad? Do we need to do
anything if they want to go to a park? >> Some type of an organized gathering. I think they would have to clear that with parks and wreck. >> Normally, it would be parks and wreck. But what if it's a city park? Well, city parks are still maintained by
parks and recre. >> You want to clarify which park >> veterans memorial is a city park. >> Would they have to go through special events? >> Yep. >> I believe so. >> Yeah.
Moso. >> Yeah. I mean the then I think you get into the territory of what if another organization asks for the same thing. I I rent a lot of um pavilions and things for our church and so we we just have to I mean we pay the fee, we rent it,
people come um it's not a huge event so I'm not sure exactly what the scope of this project is. I just think we have to be careful if another organization comes and says we want to bypass this. I mean if it's a small thing I also don't see why they just don't set up and pray but
I don't know what they're planning and if they're advertising and things like that. Do you know how Pal Bay is handling it? I'm assuming it's at one of their city parks. So, they were a little cough guard when they had to go through the county for use of one of our parks. And again, I apologize this wasn't on my
report. This got issue got brought to my attention on Saturday. >> So, member Stokal, >> sorry. Um, did they say what their issue was with the county? Did it was it were they not approving it? Was it too lengthy? Was it too expensive? Or what what was the main issue? I mean, costs
are definitely a factor because any event open to the public, they charge you per how many people you think are coming. So, even if it was $50, $100, I'm not exactly sure what that that cost was going to be. Um, but then you also have to do the special event permit through the city. Um, so there's just a
lot of hoopla and they don't have, again, as just a collection of residents, they don't have like an insurance to fall back on what they're, you know, because it's not like one particular church. If it was one particular in church, I would say yeah, you know, you got to do uh the the things that you got to do, but this is
just a collection of residents that want to do this. Member Stoke, are you done? Member Nelson, >> I think member Mok Scoso is right. Um I I have rented the pavilions in the
park and rented parks before. It is expensive but it also you have to provide insurance >> which covers us the city um if anything happens
and I don't see how we can shortcut that. >> I just did what I said I was going to do and bring it before the board. >> Okay. >> Because I can't wave a wand and give them access. Member Stokel. And I guess just to clarify, there's nothing preventing them from a group of people
participating in one of our parks. Our parks are are for people. So I just want to make that clear. So depending on what level they're doing, I think that we determined that if it's going to be a organized event, they would go through the process, but if they want to gather and pray, by all means, they can do
that. >> Thank you very much. That concludes my report. So with that being said, city manager. >> Yes, sir. Under city manager report we have one action item and that's as you recall uh past several meetings there
was a discussion as to the next phase of the strategic planning we had the first phase the community conversation back in February which was facilitated by Kristen Baky and instead of having a second follow-on session the recommendation was perhaps do something
different this year maybe even some type of an offsite for with city council and uh Mr. Mr. Cook explored several different options and one of the options is listed as an attachment um on the city manager report for your discussion
and action as you see fit. >> Thank you, city manager. Kevin, do you want to give us a overview? >> Sure. So after we did have a few phone calls with a couple different consultants ranging in price from 40,000
down to this one which is a full day for $4,000. Uh this gentleman uh does a lot of planning with uh with businesses and governments. Um, you take a look at his website which is included. He has a pretty good plan for how to scope a
one-day eight hour workshop for the council to work on strategic plan uh interactions. Uh, de developing a 10-year vision, a three-year picture, and a one-year plan. Uh, and then trying to hone that into about 15 key action items to walk away
with from that from that eight hour day. Uh, I spoke with him today. He's really excited for the opportunity to to do this for the city. Uh this will be the first time we'd be looking at a full retreat for the council. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Cook. Member Mscoso.
>> Um it's I'm going to guess this is open to the public as well. And are there like meeting minutes taken? Like how does how do we do this in the sunshine? >> It has to be noticed and properly noticed and minutes taken. It is it falls within the sunshine.
>> And do we have a location for this? if we move it forward, we'll find a location for you. So, >> I mean, I honestly I personally um would I know the idea is to get offsite, but I want to make sure that at least it's accessible if we are moving forward for
the public to come. I think it's important because we are going to be having I mean, these are discussions that are affect the residents and I think it's important to have their uh their input and nobody might maybe nobody shows up. I don't know. But um I think we need to take that in
consideration and not make it somewhere where people just don't have access to it. >> Thank you. And I believe uh Vice Mayor Cole made the recommendation of doing it parishes conference room which would be open and accessible to the constituents. Member Stokele.
>> Yes. Um because of Sunshine and it definitely will be noticed and public will be invited. But I do want to clarify the intent is from my perspective and why I brought this forward is I talked to fellow other council members um just about their dynamics with their city councils if
they've done retreats how does their strategic planning work and I feel like this would be really beneficial for us because if you go out and you talk to different businesses you talk to different organizations they don't have sunshine and they are able to work through um and sit down and brainstorm
and have working meetings which we don't really have that we have sunshine and so all of our work is primarily done here. um it will still be noticed and public will still be invited. But my hope is that we will sit down and actually hash out some of these things and take a full
day to go through and say, "Hey, you came up with this idea last year. Why don't we explore that?" I think in the past what's happened is we are given our five or six goals. We look through them. Do we still like them? and we all like them, but we never get the opportunity
to really kind of hone in and say overall, speaking of our city and the citizens and the residents and our vision, like where do we want to see our city? How can we get there? What are those core values to each of us? And really have just open more open discussion where we're not sitting all here with the microphone you scattered.
It it will be more of an intimate, I would say, environment where we can just have dialogue going back and forth. Not putting on your mic. Can I be called on? It's just a real opportunity, I think, for us to have a good working meeting, which I think will hopefully be productive for us moving forward. Um,
because I think a lot of us on here have a lot of really good ideas and care what's right for the city, but there's a lot of other things that I feel like we need to work through and work past so we can actually start making some, I think, good changes for the city. >> Thank you, member Stokl. Member Nelson,
>> I like the idea because you're right. Before before way back 10 years ago, um Sarah, Dan Diesel, and myself ran for office and before the
election, we were allowed to talk and we exchanged ideas. And I'm sure Sarah still has ideas. I know I have ideas where I want what I want to see the city look like in five
years, in 10 years, in 15 years, um, and on. And so I would like to have the opportunity not to have a printed agenda that I have to follow but where we can
sit down and talk about that and we can't do it now like we used to or we did were able to do it at one point. Um and I think that would be great because that sort of gives us an idea as these
things come up where we want to go. Is this what we want to do? Is this going to get us where we want to be or are we taking this side road that's going to be a dead end? Um, so that's
sort of what I'm hoping comes out of it. Thank you, Member Nelson. Any other discussion? All right. Seeing none. >> Member Nelson, >> did we need to pick a date? I think that's what we needed to do. >> If the council decides to proceed with
uh this proposal that was submitted, yeah, we would like to get a date so we could start logistics planning. >> I think it was April 18th or April 25th.
>> I think I said I didn't care. Oh, for me the 25th Rotary has a car show on the 18th. I think I'm cooking hot dogs. >> You said you said 25th was not good. >> 25th is good. The 18th I'm cooking hot
dogs. Anybody have any other dates? >> Um, I think we have a funeral. What about >> funeral? >> We're going to have a funeral.
>> Uh, what about May 2nd? If I could help, the consultant doesn't have those dates available. So, I can give you the dates he has. >> So, he has a 22nd, the 24th, 27th, 28th, 29th available today. Um, I think we
appalled council for the availability for the 24th, which was a Friday. >> Oh, >> I don't I can't do Friday. So Kevin, what other dates? >> What date? >> That's that's what I had for end of
April. He has I can get his May dates if we want to move forward and bring that back. Um, >> it's probably a good idea to get his May dates because I don't think we're finding a new resolution up here. >> Can you ask him about May 2nd? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that seemed to work for everyone.
>> Okay. All righty, >> city manager. >> That concludes uh the action items. The other item I have is just uh uh information, monthly reports, budget reports. >> Uh excuse me, Mayor Connor.
>> Yes, ma'am. I know you did not take action on the last item. Um, and staff is coming back. Did you want to hear from anybody with cards on that item? >> Mr. Johnson, do you want to talk about dates? >> Yeah. I don't know. It's about dates,
but about doing it at all. So, is that going to be another come up later? >> Yes. Okay. >> So, later you'll have a whether to have it and how it's done and so forth. So, that at that time, I'll speak. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. All right. City manager. Is that
concluded everything? >> Sir. >> All right. City attorney. >> Yes. I have twoformational items on my report. The first is to uh inform council that I will be attending or I've registered for the Florida Bar Section,
city, county, local government annual municipal conference which will be next month. Actually, it'll be April 23rd through 25th. Uh 3 days. This will be very beneficial to the city as I've outlined in my report. It will help with CLE credits for my bar certification as
well as board certification in local government um ma matters. And um again, prior to the resolution that was passed earlier, there was no I didn't need any approval or reporting to council, but in an effort to be transparent, I wanted to
put this on council's radar that I will be attending this seminar. Thank you very much, city attorney. >> The second item which we have uh discussed previously today is the informal mediation that was requested
pursuant to Florida statute 163181. The applicant as we all know has requested an informal mediation through their attorney. As indicated in the report this is very informal. The statute is not clear as to the process and the procedure of this informal
mediation. I have reached out to uh the applicants council who's kind you know we're I I believe we will we'll try to discuss what the format will be but it's very informal there will be no agreement that's binding or in effect without
coming before council as you all know but again just so you know the talks has been perhaps doing the informal mediation with a mediator selected mediator the city will split the cost per the statute. In addition, the
applicant's attorney states she's not sure whether she'll want to have the mediation prior to the area study or after. But again, nothing is concrete. They are within their rights as I've outlined in the report under the statute. If they request it, the c the
governing body needs to facilitate and must um provide that opportunity for the informal mediation. So that's what I have so far. Just wanted to bring it to council's attention so that we're all on the same page in addition to just having it publicly noticed because I know of
course we know that there are, you know, citizens who are very active and wanting to be in the know regarding this matter. >> Thank you, secretary. Is that it? >> That's it. >> All right. Cards.
>> Uh yes, sir. Five persons have submitted cards and thank you for clarifying this earlier. Brian Jarnell. >> Good evening. My name is Brian Jarnell and I represent the Association of Fairways at Royal Oak and that's why I'm here today. I'm also an attorney. Um,
section 163.3181 at its very beginning says that the statute is to encourage public participation. And so with this informal mediation which has no definition u because it
doesn't say mediation it says informal mediation or alternative dispute resolution. Now it's important that it's not a judicial mediation. If it were a judicial mediation it would be considered confidential but it's not under chapter 44 of the
Florida statutes. As such, the question becomes who can watch the mediation even if you're not going to allow people to speak at the mediation. And in today's day and age, there's no reason you can't have a Zoom mediation and allow people to see what's being said and what's
happening. And that will encourage public participation. And also we believe that you can't have an informed uh mediation until you do the smallcale study because how else are you going to determine the impacts and whether you
can agree to what they're proposing. So I think that's two issues and I think uh the city attorney has recognized that there is no process set forth in the statutes is another one of these statutes the legislature passes and doesn't bother to tell you how to do it.
So, it's up to the city to figure it out with the applicant with in mind the very first sentence of chapter 161.3181 8 3181. Yes, that says that the public
has a right to participate. And section four does not say that only the owner and only the local government may participate. It doesn't say that at all. It says the owner must participate and the local government must participate,
but it doesn't say no one else may participate. And so my humble suggestion would be that when you get around to scheduling this mediation that you allow the public to have a viewing participation because I know that it
would be impossible to have 500 voices at a mediation. Um, thank you. >> Thank you very much, city clerk. Seth Adams. Thank you, Mayor and City Council. Thank you for letting me uh speak tonight. Uh
I want to begin by thanking you for the time, the effort, and the careful consideration you've already given to the future of to the future of Royal Oak uh the golf course property. Your unanimous decisions uh both at planning and zoning here on council didn't happen
by accident. They reflect a clear, thoughtful conclusion about what is and what is not appropriate for this land. And and that clarity matters. And I also want to respectfully speak directly to develop to developers and whoever's connected to them tonight. What you're
hearing from this community is not mixed. It's not unclear. It's not inconsistent. It is consistent. It is firm and has now been reinforced multiple times through formal votes. This is not resistance to growth. It's not a response to a proposal that does not fit the character
infrastructure the expectations of the people who live here. The residents surrounding this property are not abstract stakeholders. They are families, homeowners, taxpayers who have built their lives around the reasonable expectation that their community would be protected protected but through
thoughtful planning, responsible decision-making. Concerns about density traffic, environmental impact, and compatibility have been raised again and again. These concerns have not been answered in a way that builds confidence in that matters to the developers. Persistence
is understandable, but at some point, persistence must give way to listening. When a community, its advisory board, and its elected officials all arrive at the same conclusion, the responsible path forward is not to push harder. It is to reconsider.
And at the council, I want to emphasize something critically important. You are not able, you are not obligated to resone this property. You don't have to do this as a favor for these people. Uh reszoning is not a formality. It is not something that must be granted
because it's requested. It's a legislative decision that should only be made when it clearly, unquestionably serves the best interests of this community as a whole. You've already spoken with uh and with unity and conviction. Standing by that decision is
not only appropriate is it essential for man maintaining public trust. Changing course without a meaningful uh change in the proposal will send the wrong message to the residents who depend on you to safeguard their community. This this is a moment where
consistency matters. It's a moment where leadership matters. Titusville deserves development that fits, respects existing neighborhoods, and that enhances, not undermines, the quality of life for its residents. Thank you for your time tonight. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Adams. City Clerk, >> Vicky Conklin. Vicky Conklin, I too would like to speak to the public participation in the proposed mediation under section 163.3181. If it's to move forward, we do encourage
that citizens most directly impacted and affected by the project should not be shut out of the process. It does state very clearly that the public is to participate in the comprehensive planning process to the fullest extent possible and direct and it directs the
local governments to provide effective public participation and notice to property owners whose you uh local rights may be affected. It really matters here. As I mentioned to you, there's 540 dwelling units that uh are contiguous to the Royal Oak property.
They are stakeholders. Maybe they don't own that golf course, but they're stakeholders and have significant impact. So, it's a public process. We encourage you to be open with that public process. And if they're excluded and these are substantive changes, then
the public has to conclude that it looks like it's a behind doors deal and negotiations behind doors. So, I think the public should be included in this process. Um, are they going to receive notice? Will the public receive little postcards and notice of when the
mediation will occur? Will they be able to attend? Will they be able to participate? Are they just silent observers? What's the legal basis for not including them? That might be a question to think about. So, we wanted to withstand public view, especially now
with all of the questions regarding transparency. Uh don't don't let it appear that it's a backroom deal. Be transparent about it. include the residents. This is something that I I we haven't I haven't seen here before with this mediation. Maybe it's something
you've done before, but it just seems really strange to us. It was a it was a 50 denial of the application. It was unanimous. The mediation just seems really out of place. There is no court case. Yes, they're entitled to it with Chapter 163,
but it just it just seems like there's more questions here than there's answers. >> Thank you. Say clerk >> Kathleen Oor >> most things have already said so hopefully I'll be brief. Um but I would
like to support Mr. Yarnell's position that the citizens be able to a minimum watch these proceedings. Um the statute does allow for the mediation. We know that. But it is a procedural step. It allows a conversation,
but it does not erase the outcome of the public process, and it doesn't diminish your prior decision. And that's important to realize. Mediation's not a reversal, and it should not ever be a shortcut to approval. Any revised proposal should still meet the city
standards, address the concerns that lead to denial, and return through the proper public process. That's really important. Until this happens, then the uni the council's unanimous decision remains the operative public action.
Um, part of this decision was based on serious concerns about flooding infrastructure and long-term impacts in our city and we don't want to forget that because those concerns have not gone away. But what might have changed and that's the concerning part is if the discussion moves into a setting that's
less visible. I think that's really risky. that makes transparency in this case more important, not less. I was really relieved to hear the city's commitment to finishing the smallcale studies before mediation decisions are
made. Um, I guess we can't stop the mediation from taking place before that's done, but it seems foolish, but I do think it's a general rule that you don't mediate first and then study later. It's just totally backwards.
Okay. So, um I think that you know as everybody said people are watching closely. We really care about the process and you know it's and to my mind being in Royal Oak it seemed like rather an insulting thing that they did but I
can't affect that. Thank you. >> Thank you. City clerk. >> Uh yes sir. Last card. Stan Johnston. uh Stan Johnson and I'm not a neighbor of of Royal Oak, but I'm a registered professional engineer. And
what I have done is I have challenged the city repeatedly to get a professional engineer to dispute me. This is very important in this particular matter and I brought it to some attention of the people who are
here is this publication and this publication says that that that Mr. Moria is wrong saying something like that. A number of things, but one thing that's been said is that is that the
property owners or the golf course is responsible for the for the maintenance of the uh storm sewers and the um uh uh other improvements for drainage. They are not. And I I say this from
expertise. beginning in 1971. I worked for this company, LA Melvin and Associates. And nobody I know of no project of of that was a subdivision
that was had public roads that I have no that that would have drainage dedicated to the uh any homeowners associations. They didn't we didn't even have homeowner associations. We had no
homeowners associations uh uh being responsible for retention ponds for a long time. It's a long time. So this Royal Oak was was Bvard County, not city of Titusville was built. It was it was
part of uh as far as I know was part of of of Bard County. Even if even if it was part of city, it still follows is that the the laws are we didn't do it. We didn't have St. John's River Water Management District.
When when this when this was done, we didn't have it. We didn't have homeowners associations that that uh that did storm so and so forth. So, I'm asking you if you want to is that is that you need to understand it's false
for you guys to continue to say that that Royal Oak homeowners are are or the golf course is responsible for replacement of of of metal pipes. and so forth, you're wrong. And that's a big deal that you should understand. And I
challenge you to get a professional engineer to to dispute me. That's a big deal. So, uh, give us some thought. And by the way, you know, there all there is a dam there. There is a dam
there at 50. Okay. It's a big deal. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Member Nelson. >> Uh, Mr. Treasure question. Do we have any case law regarding mediation? What the procedures
are? >> No, not chapter 163.31. >> No, not under the uh cited Florida statute that's applicable here. There's another statute 70.51 that provides for mediation when there's a development
order or other smallcale amendment um denial and that's very specific that outlines in details including notice to the public uh when that mediation this simply provides for an informal mediation being an attorney yourself you
understand informal mediation is very loose uh it does not provide for public notice at this point in time It's a request by the applicant who's been denied on honestly I think it's a prerequisite or a condition procedent as
you you're to any litigation which h they have to go through that process in order to file any uh further litigation and and the statute does provide for that as far as indicating the tolling time before filing a litigation um if
they request for an informal mediation. But again, we did our office did research as far as there is any case law out there that flushes out this statute and we didn't find any to date. We'll continue to look. I'll continue to keep council prize as we go forward, but
please bear in mind that this is seems to be a right given to the applicant uh that the govern you know the governing body has to accommodate. In addition, um it's a condition prerec before any lawsuit is actions taken.
>> Okay. Thanks, Member Stokel. >> Yes, that was along my lines and it might help to clarify typically um what happens in these pre um or informal mediation meetings because you can't make any decisions. It any
decisions would have to come before council. So, it might be good for the public just to know typically what happens in them. I know they they can vary and this would be your first one I think with us but we have had them in the past. >> We have had a couple in the past that I've researched but again that's been
under Florida statute 70.51 which there've been development orders and smallcale amendments which again that statute is very detailed and specific. I can provide it to council just to give a um and I don't know if I did attach it or not but I I probably should have just
to give the comparison and as to how detailed that statute provides for in addition to how this one is is not as specific and and basically gives the right to the applicant to request this informal mediation. Now mediations I've
participated in hundreds of mediations. mediations usually it's are restricted to the parties in question not to the public um and again you know um it's confidential there's a third party mediator but in this particular
case absolutely there will be no binding agreement absent the ratification of council and approval of councel so I did indicate that to the applicant's attorney as to what they're looking for what they're wanting given it's a five zero vote and they know the climate of
this issue. And so again, I think it's just be mindful that this is a a condition procedent to any lawsuit. So they have to go through this process or else they would probably not be able to file a lawsuit in the future. >> Okay. Thank you for that clarification.
>> Member Mscoso. >> Um just to clarify, is there anything that states that the public can't be there? I know perhaps we don't advertise it, but is there anything and I think somebody brought up the point if you could show us where it states the public cannot be there.
>> It's trying to prove a negative, which is impossible. So, it does not say that, but it does not say the public. Again, I can only give the comparison of other statutes that provide for public notification. You know, I can write a legal memo and provide to council as to
my analysis, but it does not say they cannot. It does not say they can. In my opinion, what was cited by Mr. Jarnell is the generalization of public participation in comp plant amendments which are public hearings um of the sort which we all know the public is noticed
of that not as to the informal mediation specified in this part of the statute. >> And you also stated that they usually are restricted. Could you give examples of when they are not restricted? I I was talking about
regular mediation as far as litigation like if there's a personal injury or other mediations, not necessarily this particular mediation provision. >> Okay. >> If if that makes sense. The restrictions usually if there's like a negligence
case or a regular lawsuit outside of land use, it's usually restricted to just parties who are in involved in litigation. I I think I'm just not understanding. If it doesn't say that they can be there and it doesn't say that they can't be there, why are we ering on the side that
they can't be there? >> Because it doesn't provide that they can. >> So then why are we saying then they can't? >> Because the statute does not say they can. Again, I will provide a legal analysis as to um why in my opinion
based on and I provided that in the report. It does say the property owner as well as the government body as the parties not it does not provide for public notification. It does not provide for notice. There are other statutes
like I've stated in 70.51 that provides for that and outlines that in details. The statute is silent as to that. >> Member Nelson. Have we talked to other cities to see
how they're handling these mediations? >> The couple of attorneys I've spoken to outside of our extensive legal research on case law, they're not familiar with this particular statute. They're familiar with 70.51.
Again, that provides for medi regular mediation, not informal mediation as provided here. And that mediation statute goes into detail as to the process, a special magistrate. It goes into the process of notification and public notice, public participation, all
of that. >> Wow. >> It's good you're going to a conference. >> Not sure if the conference will be on point, but that'll be great if it does answer these questions. >> That would be nice. But I will continue to do research and
again um I will provide and keep you know provide any updates as well as keep the council apprised of the uh matter. >> All right. Thank you very much. I'm assuming that concludes your report attorney treasure. >> Yes. >> All right. Member Nelson.
>> Motion to adjurnn. >> We'rejourned.