Good evening everybody. I'd like to welcome you to the city of Titusville City Council regular meeting scheduled August 12th, 2025 at 6:30. I'm going to call this meeting to order. And now we would like to do an invocation led by senior pastor Tom Porter from Temple
Baptist Church. >> I love this city. Been here since 2000. Came here in 2000 from Lake Wales, Florida. I thought I was moving into a metropolis when I came here from Lake Wales. It's just small. And uh so y'all have a lot on your agenda. Let's ask the Lord to bless in this meeting. Father,
we thank you so very much for your word tells us, your holy word tells us, let everything be done decently and in order. And so, Father, let us have ears to hear. Thank you that we have this opportunity as a community to come and stand before council and and uh give our
opinions, our grievances, whatever it is to to be heard. And uh we thank you for that privilege to have. So, we ask for wisdom. We ask for discernment of this council in Jesus precious name we pray all these things. Amen. Amen. >> Amen. >> Thank you very much, pastor.
>> All right. Can you please stand for the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands nation. >> Thank you very much, city clerk.
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>> Thank you, city clerk. City attorney, do we have a quorum? >> Thank you very much, city attorney. The floor is yours. Um, yes. Um just wanted to reiterate the um section of the city code of
ordinances um on decorum. It's section 2-26 subsection 5E. Um it states that the purpose of the city council meeting is to discuss city business and proper decorum must be displayed by all in attendance. Public input and
participation is encouraged. However, all persons in attendance shall comply with the rule for meeting procedures and shall refrain from any action that disrupts the orderly proceedings of the council meeting or hinders the council from performing its duties. No person
shall interfere with the rights of others to speak, hear, see, or attend the proceedings, make threats of violence, disrupt the proceedings with shouting, fail to confine remarks to the agenda item under consideration,
nor continue to speak after the allotted speaking time has expired. As these actions shall be considered disruptive and disorderly, the mayor shall caution any person who violates these provisions and disrupts the orderly proceeding of the council meetings and they shall be
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council chambers by law enforcement or such other actions as may be reasonably necessary to enforce these regulations. Notwithstanding, the mayor may order the immediate removal of any person from the chambers who possesses a threat to property or life safety. Nothing in this
section shall be construed to limit or restrict a person's right created by the constitution, law, ordinance, or regulation. Thank you, city attorney. Member Nelson. >> Move to approve the minutes of the city
council meeting on July 8th and the special city council meeting on July 19th. >> Second. >> I have a motion and I have a second. Any council discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously.
Thank you very much, city manager. Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and city council. We have no items under number five, special recognitions. Moving on to boards and commissions 6A, board of adjustments and appeal. There
is a semianual written report included in agenda packet, and no action is requested. >> Thank you very much, city manager. Member Nelson, do you have something? Uh, I was going to ask if we could move the item on food pantries 12A to after
seven. >> Is that a motion? >> That is >> second. >> All right. I have a motion and a second to move item 12A on food pantries to after item seven which is petitions and requests non-aggenda items. Um, any council discussion? All those in favor
say I. >> All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. All right. City manager, I would say you're up, but it is not that time. It is time for petitions and requests from the public. Non-aggenda items.
>> Dr. Kathleen work. Um, first of all, I just want to thank Mr. for providing me information on the PLA flashoint survey which was advertised in the water bill for volunteers and you know this is my field and I just have to talk about it. So I'm going to give you
a quick lesson in survey design. Basically you want people who answer a survey to be like the residents of the underlying community that they represent. This is what makes it a representative survey. We can compare the people who answered the survey to the Titusville population to see how
much it represented the citizens. We usually look at gender, age, race, ethnicity, and education. And these five things are chosen because the Census Bureau already collects information on that. It's free to the city, and they're good ways to look at the representativeness of a survey. So, how
did the Flashoint survey and communication do? Pretty bad. Flashoint only collected information in terms of the demographics on age and gender. So we really only know two things. We don't know if the people who volunteered the answer the survey are like our community
as a whole. And second, we can't see if there are differences in other things like differences between black residents and white residents in terms of their perception and needs. That's a bad design. 256 people answered the survey and actually that number is pretty okay.
400 with a good survey would actually be adequate. So, it isn't the number. So, here's the good news. The survey pretty much had equal numbers of men and women which reflected the community. Okay, that was the good news. Now, we can move on to everything else. Um, the age
distribution of the respondents is way off with very few young people in the age range of 20 to 34 and a whole lot of people not surprisingly over the age of 65. In Titusville, 22% of the people are aged 20 to 34, but only 7% of the survey
respondents were that age. So, you're missing the responses from basically parents of young children as well as young women and young men. In addition, 43% of the survey respondents were over 65 as compared to 29% in the Titusville
population. So, you have way too many older respondents for this. And I'm not against older people being one, but why does it matter? And I just want to present this in terms of the upcoming survey that you have planned asking how people want to use parks. Okay. What
you're going to find out from that survey, the flashoint one, is how older people want to use parks, not what young people or parents with young children want. My guess is these groups of people have very different needs and basing
decisions on park use only on the respondence of older people will likely cause you to make very poor decisions. And if you want to know about desired park use by our black community, you have absolutely no idea if their answers
would be different than those of the white community or if they answered at all. >> Thank you very much. >> The survey I'm going to finish is dangerous because you're collecting data to make policy. That's my last sentence. >> Thank you. >> So, keep it. >> Thank you. >> Greetings.
Uh, my name is Chaz Prriket. I live on Hickory Hill Boulevard. Uh, evidently you guys got bad intel. Uh, and you're getting ready to put a coffee and another high-speed drive-thru restaurant there in a residential
street. uh the people at McDonald's, Chick-fil-A, Wendy's, Starbucks, uh you're looking at hundreds of cars going in and out of that parking lot onto Hickory Hill Boulevard, which is a
residential neighborhood, and it's going to turn into a big traffic jam. and the intel that you guys have to have approved your uh building permit or whatever you've done. I think you've been led astray.
Also, that on the west side, that piece of property is a watershed. It's dry, but you need to come by my house and look at the water line, bathtub ring. When we have hurricanes, because there's a couple acres there
that hold a bunch of water. If you allow them to fill in the area, the water's going to be going into Hickory Hill. And if we start to flood, I don't know if the city's going to pay for our flood insurance or any of that kind of stuff. Uh, also my property is
the first piece of property right there next to it. The concrete block wall is falling down. The palm tree is the only thing that's holding it up. Your city code enforcement has come by and looked at it and took pictures of it. So, I
guess you guys are aware of it, but uh, please don't turn Hickory Hill Boulevard into a malfunction junction because this is what's going to happen. They have to come east and west on Highway 50. They turn on to Hickory Hill Boulevard and
have to cut across a lane of traffic both ways to get in and out of these burger joints or the coffee joint. And if you've ever been to Starbucks and seen what Starbucks is during the day, the traffic's horrible. If you ever drive by Wendy's, you drive by
McDonald's, any of these businesses, you'll see the line of traffic and you're getting ready to dump it right onto Hickory Hill Boulevard. And it leaves me with abundance of concern. The other day, the fire truck number 13
was trying to turn in because they repainted the lines there. They have to the lady or whoever it was had to back up to let the fire truck into the into the intersection to get into Hickory Hill Boulevard. So, there's also
safety concerns. Uh, and you got 13 seconds left. Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. >> Hello. How are you guys? Hello. Um, my name is Kendra Wilson. I've been a longtime resident of Titusville and a
resident of Hickory Hill since 2015. I'm here to express concern about the proposed drive-through coffee development, likely a Dutch Bros, um, on 4530 Hickory Hill Boulevard. It's planned near the main entrance to our neighborhood off Cheney Highway. Although this isn't fast food, it's
still a high volume, quick turnover business that brings in steady vehicle traffic, especially during peak morning hours when many of us are commuting. This particular access point is a problem because it's directly next to the only traffic light controlled to the Hickory Hill to Hickory Hill. That makes
it the safest and most commonly used route in and out of our neighborhood. Introducing commercial drive-through traffic to that area on top of existing congestion from training highway will create backups, increase the chance of accidents, and may force frustrated drivers to cut through residential
streets. Um, while there's another way out of the neighborhood, it doesn't have a traffic light, and isn't equipped to handle additional pressure. The only alternative route for residents to exit Hickory Hill would be cutting through Cherrywood Lane or driving all the way down to Satderfield. Neither of these
roads are designed to he handle heavy traffic heavy through traffic. Cherrywood in particular is a narrow residential street and increasing its traffic load would pose a safety concern for families and children living there. I ask the city and developer to consider a better access point um ideally from
Cheney Highway itself to protect our neighborhoods flow safety and the overall residential character of our community um while still supporting growth. And I also want to say I have young children. I'm on the first street of Applewood. We're already experiencing really bad traffic. I can't even let my kids play outside because there's cars
zooming by and it's just going to keep getting worse. I can't even sometimes turn left to exit um to 50 because the light is backed up. We've had issues with the light multiple times. I've had to make multiple calls to get it fixed. Last week I was actually sitting there for 13 minutes. Um while I was waiting I
was able to call to make a complaint about that. So, we're just trying to make sure that something gets said and you guys really hear um our concerns and our voices. So, I don't have anything else to say. So, thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Can I address it before?
>> Good evening. My name is Stacy Hopper. I live at 2941 Malberry Drive in Hickory Hill. I was on your website looking at the Dutch Brothers Coffee site plan and it is zoomed in so far that I'm not able to tell where the access points are to
the property. So my concern is that if Dutch Brothers becomes popular in the way that Starbucks is that there will be people waiting exiting on 50 coming down Hickory Hill trying to turn left into Dutch Brothers and so there will be all
sorts of traffic that people will not be able to get around to actually get to their house. Now, on the way out, the people if they're routed back out onto Hickory Hill Boulevard and not routed out onto US Swan, then we will also be waiting for people to that have already
gotten their coffee to make a left. And I want to say thank you for calling about the light because that has been a very difficult thing. I I now time it when I'm sitting there. Um, the Dutch Brothers coffee hours on the
website are from 5:00 a.m. till 11:00 p.m. So, this is not just a morning um issue that we'll be having. This will be an issue that we will probably be experiencing all through the day and
you know, Friday and Saturday night that one neighbor's going to hear, "Welcome to Dutch Brothers. How may I help you?" a million times because of where he is. So, my concern is that the traffic is and I don't know because I haven't been able to figure out the site plan. um if
you could please adjust this the site plan on the website and if you could if it's not too late and the developer isn't already past the 60% um design phase could you encourage them to
put most of their traffic back out onto US1 and not onto Hickory Hill Boulevard >> what I I'm sorry thank you yes all the way to US1 that'd be even better. >> Yeah. Wouldn't that be great? That would be great. Thank you. >> All right. So, by show of hands, if you're here about Dutch Brothers, can
you raise your hand? >> Yeah. >> All right. Uh, Mr. Parish, can you talk about the site plan and what's going on there, please? >> Thank you. >> The site plan in question is already approved. It went through the administrative process, the city's code.
Uh it met all the requirements for traffic safety, um design, setbacks, landscaping, uh zoning criteria, and is an approved site plan. So, the next step beyond this is to get the permit for construction.
So, it has already met all the code requirements. The entrance in question is off of Hickory Hill and it does meet if it was approved, it had to have met the minimum distance requirements from a major intersection.
Thank you, Mr. Parish. So, let me just clarify. The reason it went through an administrative process instead of coming before city council is because they're already following all the rules that are in place. They're not asking for anything special, including all the state regulation, traffic, fire, all those type of things. so they wouldn't
come before us. And the state of Florida has been very, very big on preempting local governments from making it more challenging for people to do what they want with their property. So, we do the best we can to represent you all, but at the end of the day, if it's zoned
commercial and they own it and they're building something commercial, there really ain't a whole lot we can do to stop them. Okay. Member Stokel. >> Yes. Um, that's kind of what I was going to address because I it sounds like there's a lot of people here for that. um it did not go to council for the
reasons that the mayor stated and what we do is if there's a zone a land use change or a zoning change and so this is already zoned commercial so what that means is even though it's been vacant for a long time anybody can go in there and develop it that's a commercial property to meet our current standards
which is what uh Brad had just indicated. So unfortunately there's not much we can do because it is zoned commercial. The intent for that because it is on 50 which we do want. We get a lot of comments here. We need more restaurants. We need more things for people to do and because that is a main
highway for us 50. That is the intent is to bring in those businesses there. It's unfortunate that it happens to be at the entrance. Um I will tell you we had this issue come up um and this was before some people are on council. the Cumberland Farms at the intersection of 50 and US1. This came up when they were
building that in the Indian River City District. People were concerned about people cutting down through their neighborhood. Um, and I remember they were very concerned about it. They did put up a please don't turn, you know, this way, only turn left. And we had we never got any complaints after it was
built. So, my hope is that it will maybe be a nice addition to the area that it won't I I hear your concerns. I I know how busy Starbucks can get. Um but I'm hopeful that a lot of it will go right in there and then pull out and I Yeah, I
know. It's It's a tough situation just because it was already zoned that way. >> Thank you, Member Mscoso. >> Um thank you. Thank you all for coming um and spending your evening with us. I I do have the site plan and I spoke with Brad earlier. Is there no option for it
to go out on 50? Because even though it might meet the standards, it is extremely close to where that intersection is. And I do understand when they're saying if people are going to turn in, let's say, left, um, you might get one or two cars there and then there's going to be backed up traffic
and I think that's going to be um a big a big issue right here. Um, is there a possibility that the developer could go out on 50 instead of on Hickory Hill? >> It's possible. I would imagine the developer probably explored that option
um and probably determined that this was the option most safest in there in all the options that I looked at. Um, the other issue is that uh highway um 50 is stateowned. It's not cityowned. It's maintained by the Florida Department of
Transportation. So they have their own standards as to whether they'd be able to get a a turn from on to 50 from this property. If they also have an option on the Hickory Hills, that might have been an issue. I'd have to explore and understand specifically what was required and what was how it was
approved to get you a better answer, but I believe they I would imagine the developer probably explored all the options. >> Yeah, I would appreciate that. And also I mean is Hickory Hills considered a local road? Are we able to >> Yes. >> So the but commercial can go out to a local road? I believe no issues.
>> Sure. I I believe that what was what happened here and I again according to our code >> can commercial go out on the local road >> in this case the segment of Hickory Hill was determined to be a throat that could be shared by several commercial
properties adjacent to it and this was the safest option potentially >> okay because of that other parcel next to it. So, if you could just explore and reach out to the developer and see what other options there might be because I I do understand if you're if you're looking at the site plan. I know you guys don't have it there. There possibly
could be um some issues here. >> I can do that. >> Thank you. >> Member Nelson. >> And one other question, Brad. Is it possible maybe the developer would put a sign out that said no left turn so at least people wouldn't be going through
the neighborhood? >> It's possible. something I can we could ask as well. >> I'm not sure if that's something already incorporated in site plan. What I have is the same information that you have. >> I did not go through and the amount of time that we had to go through all the sheets. So, there's probably more information that
>> may answer these questions. >> I would appreciate it if you'd ask. >> Okay. >> Thanks. >> Yes, ma'am. The floor is yours. >> I'm here in regards to the Hickory Hill entrance there as well. Um, specifically just on that safety aspect, um, there
have been several people in that intersection just trying to cross the street, whether we're walking out of the neighborhood or someone on a bike that's almost been hit by a vehicle. My family and I also like to walk through there. We like to go get ice cream at Culver's. I'm not against the business being
there, but specifically that entrance because the increase of car volume and I don't want my kids to be hit by a car or anyone else's. I'm sorry. I have a lot of anxiety and I'm not used to this, but it's something
that does mean a lot to me. And it's specifically that safety aspect that I don't think anyone has been able to clearly see. That intersection is way too tight for an entrance to be anywhere on that boulevard right there. It needs to be located on 50 for vehicles to be
able to enter and exit and try to avoid people because clearly we all drive around and we see that there are several drivers out there that are not paying attention to what they are doing. And it is way too busy right there to be able to risk that for families that live in
the neighborhood and even people just walking by. I really don't have anything else to say about that, but I would really appreciate if someone could help out and actually enforce the entrance being moved. We're not asking for a whole lot
when it comes to that. I agree with the development, just not the entrance right there. It's too dangerous. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Uh, my name is Stan Johnston. You
already know who I am and you don't like me talking here, but I'm going to say as Brad is wrong as far as I know. I've been doing site plans and subdivisions throughout the city for years. And uh, as far as I know, I don't see any reason why they can't access from State from
State Road 50. Fact is, it looks like to me if you if you go into Hickory Hills Boulevard, what you're doing, you're overloading that stoplight. So, uh I I I don't know what happened, but if I were designing that, I would I would go through for a state a permit to uh go on
State Road 50. Makes more sense to me. Of course, I don't agree with a lot of sense that uh our community development has mostly in fact nonsense. In fact, that's what I've come here for. I sent you an email. What's your name? Over here has it. And uh uh I've already sent
it to you August 11th. And it says this. It says a request for prayer for your repentance and resignation. That's four out of five council members. It's going to four out of five council members. You know who you are. I'm going to read this to you. It's very short. Says, I request
your repentance and or resignation from your position of honor that you have betrayed. you you have betrayed that you have betrayed. God disciplines those he loves. Doing this for you guys. You need to be disciplined. You're not doing it
right. So, here's the prayer. Lord, I pray for God's discipline to humble you, humble your evil and arrogance to awaken you to God's will. God's will in this case, not city's evil works of harming and spraying innocent people
with sewage in in public parks beginning December 2020 for about four four months. You're neither a good shepherd, no, nor a good Samaritan nor our neighbor. You're not a good neighbor either. When you promote evil as good,
you are con artists, shysters, and fools to deliberately harm your minions and someone called them a peanut gallery with harmful sewage. And I put an amen on that. So that's the that's the prayer. This has to do with what you've seen many times,
>> Mayor Page. >> Point of order. >> If I recall right, the signs are supposed to be in the back. >> You are correct. Wait, I'm I'm up front right now. >> Yeah, but you're blocking other people. >> No, wait. When people come up, they bring for signs. >> Yeah,
>> it's not per the rules. >> What? >> Not per the rules. >> No, wait a second. No, I'm not displaying a sign. I'm I'm coming here. Okay, I'll put it. Look here. >> Put it on there. Oops. It's not working very well.
But anyhow, there it is. There's my sign. So you can look at y'all can look at it too. Okay. It's legal. It's legal right here. Amen. Liberty and justice. >> Thank you very much for your time, Mr. Johnson. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Please keep it down so let other people get their opportunity to speak without being interrupted. >> Hello, my name is Wendy Shoemate. I live at 4260 Grovewood Lane in Titusville. I this is my very first city council meeting. So, thank you for having me and
I'm here with a lot of my members of the community based on what you guys recently just said that you feel like your hands are tied with the development of the Dutch Brothers. Trust me, I absolutely love coffee. I love coffee. I want Dutch Brothers here, but I am very concerned with the safety of our
neighborhood as well as the noise pollution. several of the neighbors that back up to the Dutch Brothers potentially will have a lot of extra noise pollution. So, I'm asking for the city council, the members who have potentially connections to be our
stewards to try to find a better solution for our neighborhood and not just say our hands are tied. I understand it's not an easy solution, but I'm asking you as our stewards for our neighborhood, which is a beautiful
community, to keep it nice and safe. We have had so many more accidents, so many more speedings ever since Culver's went in. And we want commerce, we want restaurants, we want all of that. Um, I truly believe that they got by on the
skin of their teeth trying to get around in essence the system the best that they could. And I understand it's actually a lot cheaper for them to have a driveway off of Hickory Hills than it would be for it to be off of 50. But again, it is also it's about the community. We have
so many kids that have their bus route right there on Hickory Hills. So the amount of through traffic is absolutely going to be devastating to this community as well as very dangerous. So again, thank you for your time and
please be our best stewards possible. >> Thank you very much. >> One sec. One second, sir. >> Hold on. City clerk member Nelson. >> City manager. Uh could we have one of the staff speak to these people so
provide them maybe with some information regarding what's actually happening? >> Absolutely. We'll take care of it. >> Okay. >> Go ahead, sir. >> Yeah. Thomas Grace at 264 Applewood Drive, one block north of uh Highway 50
in Hickory Hill. And um I echo my neighbors and community members uh feelings. I moved to central Florida in ' 69. Lived in CMI Orlando recently in St. Cloud. If anybody's been from St. Cloud, I moved up here in 2018. I went back there about a year later and I couldn't recognize the place. I know we
can't stop growth, but at least we can try to manage it. Um, and I'm familiar with the area. I I was sitting at the red light the other day looking and there is a driveway to that property that is already paved on 50. The curb separated. Uh, I don't know why they
can't come in out of there. You know, like I said, the Florida DOT might uh have something to do with that, but um like my friend Chaz, I talk to him all the time. He lives right on that parcel and he has to smell covers. He has to hear um um Firestone tire that touches
his property when they're, you know, changing tires all the time. He smells the smoke and the smoker from Sunny's. Um, I just I I I'm glad that some of you are really paying attention and listening to us because this is my first time ever being in this environment and it's like
nerve-wracking to me. But I felt I had to get up and say something because um I leave very very early for work in the morning. I work over in Orlando right across the street from UCF and traffic is crazy. But when I'm leaving there, I always uh you know, I
make a ride on, you know, heading into Orlando and I go back to Starbucks every morning and I'm just like I couldn't and I couldn't imagine trying to get out of my neighborhood and then trying to get past Starbucks in the mornings. Um I know we can't stop progress, but at least we maybe manage manage it and try
to do what's best for our community and for the people of Titusville. And what I really like about Titusville, it's a small town community and and from what I've seen the past seven years I've been here, the big corporations don't come in and bowl over us. You know what I mean? They don't come in and try to push over
us and and and get their way. And the growth is really for for big business like you say, has been around, you know, the 95 and 50 area and it's I know it's starting to grow in this area and we can't stop at least we try to manage them and and do what's best for our community and for for the city and town
of the people. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. >> Good evening. I'm Sally Osgood. I live at 2540 Longwood Court in Titusville in Hickory Hills development. I am also here for the Dutch Brothers coffee shop.
I have absolutely no problem with having new companies and businesses come in. But if you look on 50, there is, as the gentleman just said, a apron that
already enters into that property. That's where it should come in and go out because it is unfair to the people who have been in Hickory Hills for a long period of time and are used to a
um an excuse me, we're used to having not a lot of traffic. And what we did get when they put the light in, as another resident said, it changed the timing of the light
and it is now more difficult in the mornings to get out of there. You might have sat through two lights before. Now you're sitting through three, four, maybe even five. I can only imagine when they come to give deliveries or the
garbage men go in to get the garbage from Dutch Brothers, there's going to be an issue. So, I ask you, as all the rest are, please reconsider the way it goes in and out. We would really appreciate
it. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Charles Carpenter, 3935 Hickory Hill. My concern is the other end of Hickory Hill, the cut through traffic from 405. It just keeps continually over the years
gets a lot worse. And and I noticed the roads the road street is disintegrating, you know, from all the traffic and they come through there re really fast through the afternoon. You got trucks delivery. You got all the lawn people
with trailers. So the roads going quick. Plus you're getting all the extra traffic people cutting through. And I believe when they get the coffee shop or whatever open, a lot more traffic will
be coming down that way rather than to go around 405 and in. So, thank you for hearing. >> Thank you very much. >> This is also my first time in front of y'all. I have been living in Hickory Hills for 27 years. I've seen the
changes come and go and the slowdown of the light, but I want to ask on do you know how many people it affects it lives in Hickory House? How many houses that we use that front entrance getting in and out? We count on the emergency people being able to come in and get out
of there. So, I'm as a plea that needed reconfiguration. There's other places that are empty that seems to me that they could move their businesses somewhere else other than right in front of Hickory Hills. Thank you. >> Thank you very much.
>> Construction. >> Oops. Construction. Whenever they start doing the construction, how's that more going to even affect those people trying to get in and out of that area? It's not very big. >> So, we recently adopted kind of a new
policy that they have to provide a construction equipment plan, right? >> That's not effective yet, but there is an ordinance in draft. >> It's it's coming. Thank you. >> I'll be brief. My name is Nancy Carlson. I live at 2960 Tewood Street in Hickory
Hill. And I have a question for Dutch Brothers. What price do you put on a human life? Because rest assured with the traffic that is currently on
Hickory Hill and 50, rest assured when that I I'm not against them coming in, but rest assured at some point there will be an accident and Lord forbid
somebody's going to get killed. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Mayor, after petitions and requests are over and the folks that are concerned with Dutch Brothers, we'll have someone outside to take their contact information so we can keep them apprised
of our contacts with the developer. >> Absolutely. And you know, we all listen to what you guys say. I know I've had many conversations about this already with you, your HOA president, several members of your community. Um, what we
we don't do is make false promises. So, I'm going to tell you the truth, you know, no matter what, and let you know that we're going to do everything we can to try to fix it. Um, but at the end of the day, you know, we have some limitations. So, I'm not going to grandstand and tell you I'm going to wave a magic wand and and get your
concerns addressed. We're going to definitely do what we can, but we definitely appreciate you guys coming in and sharing this information because, you know, I can turn around and also take clips of this and show it right to the developer of Dutch Brothers and I can tell them this is what our citizens are concerned about. So, we will
definitely be passing that along. I will definitely sit them down if I need to uh and let them know your concerns. Um, so and again through that whole piece of uh driveway that might be off 50. I don't know if that's on their
parcel or not. So, you know, but we we can look at that as well. So, I appreciate you guys. Um, anybody else for petitions and requests? Seeing none, we're moving on. Oh, you got one petitions request. I'm sorry, I did not see you out of the
corner. My City Sir, >> Officer Bayas, Officer Chie Baz say no to reinstatement of Officer Bayaz. Activist, friend,
leader Dwight Seagler shared officer Bayaz of Tyville Police Department. December 11th, 2018, Bayas fired six rounds through his patrol car windshield, striking the collar to 911 in the elbow. The victim had no weapon.
The object in his hand was a cell phone, not a gun. The FDLE investigated and ruled the shooting lawful, citing Bias's stated belief that the man had a handgun. Bias was placed on paid administrative leave and
returned to duty in February 2019. His disciplinary record continued to grow after he transferred to the Tyville Police Department in 2020. June 11th, 2021, he backed his patrol car into a parked sedan after removing his seat belt. Another avoidable
incident on his record. April 6, 2022. Bayas failed to respond to multiple radio calls and did not notify dispatch that he was out of his vehicle on foot, prompting unnecessary concern and gathering of other officers.
September 21st, 2022, Bayas struck a concrete covert with his patrol vehicle, causing significant damage that rendered the car inoperable and prevented him from engaging in an active vehicle pursuit. October 27th, 2022, Bayaz conducted a
traffic stop in which he used an argumentative tone, repeatedly calling the driver OG, and kept him in handcuffs for an extended period. On January 25th, 2023, Bayz failed to submit narcotics evidence at the end of
his shift, a violation of department policies. February 7th, 2025. Bias chased Chamar Charles firing 16 shots in a neighborhood of families with 10 bullets entering Chamar's back. He
died at the scene. Stop killing us. Someone running away from you is not a threat to anyone. Shooting someone from the inside of your patrol car's windshield whom called you for help is ratchet.
Stop killing us. Who do you call when the murderer has a badge? Stop killing us. Are you as city council members aware of Tyville Police Department's involvement in not only the arrest and confiscation
of illegal drugs in the city of Titusville, but also the distribution? >> Thank you very much. All right. I do not believe I'm seeing anything else. City manager, I believe the item is 12A. >> Yes, sir. As you recall, uh we were
starting uh the food pantries agenda item at the last council meeting and the meeting was tabled because of a medical emergency. So, we're going to go ahead and and process that item now. And on June 10th, 2025, the council approved an
advisability for staff to review the zoning requirements to allow food pantries to operate in Titusville as requested by member Nelson. In addition, the advisability included determining if there are any city properties veiled for distribution, encloses a first draft of an ordinance and a 2010 issue of zoning
practice. And we have uh Brad Parish from our community development is here to give a short briefing on the subject. It's weird that you're way back there, Brad. >> I'm sorry. >> It's weird that you're way back there. I'm used to seeing you up here. >> I'll probably be there later.
>> All right. Thank you. >> Um, >> so we were requested by council to look into the possibility of amending the zoning code to allow specifically food pantry. We provided you research and some background information. It's on the agenda. Includes a draft conditions that
you could consider. Uh there was some concern at your last meeting about some of these conditions. This is not an advertised public hearing. So this is just really just information for you to discuss. If you'll see on the draft ordinance,
um well, first on page 490, you'll see a list of some of the food pantries we have identified in the area. This is not a comprehensive list. We keep finding more. Uh on page uh 491 of your packet, you'll see what we believe might be the best way to
answer this question is to take an existing use community service and just adding the term food pantry in the definition of it. Otherwise, we could call it out and create a brand new use called food pantry and it has its own section and its own conditions if necessary.
On page 492, you'll see what we found was the closest that related to this issue in our immediate area, and that's the city of Melbourne's code. This fairly re was adopted fairly recently in response to a particular issue they had. But it is a broader regulation that
relates not just to food pantries, but to a day use and to soup kitchens and other things of that sort. So, it's not specific to just a food pantry. In fact, their ordinance looks at the food pantry as more of an accessory use to the larger social service use.
On page 497 is the draft ordinance. Again, this is a first draft. We just present to you as an idea for conversation. And you'll see on page 498, strike through underline of existing language where we've included the term food pantries in
the definition of community service. uh it would apply it would now be allowed in neighborhood commercial specifically community commercial and any conditions specifically stated already in the code. You'll see that in in the black text that's existing
language. The new language if this is adopted as written of course it'll be the new paragraph 3 and that would be specific to the downtown mixeduse zoning district only. And so the conditions A through E, I think were the ones that were most concerned. some members of the public that came to speak at your last
meeting would be specific only to downtown. That said, I did meet with several members of um some members of organ of those organizations. Um and had a very good conversation. Uh
our staff learned a great deal and I can tell you that we found some we believe this is probably going to be take a little longer to do than we thought. If you look on page 497, that table, that matrix, you'll see that's our that's in our code for a lot of different uses identifies the zoning districts. And
underneath each of the zoning districts, whether that use is permitted, permitted with limitations, permitted with a public hearing, conditional use permit, or prohibited. And so, um, we believe that we're probably going to have, based on your direction, we may need to look into this
further and come back to you with some additional information before we would recommend going forward with any kind of ordinance as yet. Uh, with that, I'll try to answer any questions you have. >> Uh, thank you very much, city clerk, are there any cards on this issue? >> Uh, yes, sir. Three cards submitted this
evening. >> Okay. Member Stokel, is it okay if I get to the cards and then we'll fine? >> Okay. Say cler >> Wayne Cook. Good evening. I'm the pastor at First United Methodist Church and as you may know, we have just allied with North
Boulevard Charities to amp up the food bank, food pantry that we've had for several years. Uh I read at not read closely but I read at the information this afternoon that the gentleman referred to which brought up Daily Bread
in Melbourne. First point I want to make is Daily Bread was primarily a soup kitchen. I have been privileged to volunteer both in soup kitchens and in food pantries and they are not the same thing. It would be like comparing a
local restaurant to a local grocery store. They are not the same thing. The food pantries as we operate, people enter, receive a bag of food, and leave. They're not waiting around. They're not standing in line. They are entering and
leaving. As I read, I have concerns about where they're located as a pastor because uh I'm pretty sure many of these are run by churches, which are in residential areas. to prohibit them from being in a
residential area where a church is could be considered uh denying someone's practice of their religion because in Matthew 25 we are told that part of our responsibilities as Christians is to feed the hungry and clothe the naked which is a different issue.
However, with the proposed ordinance as written, we have to be 500 ft from the corner of our property. And I'm not sure if that is to a residentially zoned area or to a residence which even in downtown where we are located in a commercial
building, we are within 500 ft of a residence. The second thing is the concern I have. It wasn't stated what the security would need to be. I understand security at a soup kitchen because people are remaining there for
an hour or more and waiting outside. This is not the situation at a food pantry. People are coming. People are going. We have run a food pantry out of our church office for probably 15 to 20
years. We have experienced zero problems. That's not to say we haven't had disagreements with people who have come in, but we've never had to call the police. We've never had to physically remove somebody from our location. To
just give you an idea, 13% of Bvard County is food insecure. The churches in this county who are giving out food to the poor, not homeless. The poor who are housed in our community in addition to homeless are
very few who come to the food pantry. They come to other things. These people need it. They're our neighbors. And we don't ever know who it is that may be going to the local food pantry and relying on that. Thank you very much, pastor. Appreciate
you coming in. And just to reiterate the history, you know, obviously, you know, Miss Monifeh there had some some challenges because somebody um you know, said she can't operate a food pantry where she was located and uh unfortunately then we uncovered that no
zoning district allowed for a food pantry. So technically they're all not permitted, right? So we're still trying to figure this out to make sure how we can not interrupt the services being provided. That's why it's important. When it first came as a draft to us, I don't think anybody on council liked it. We said, "Hey, go out and talk to all
the food pantry providers, figure out what we can do to make this work." And obviously, this is the second um iteration of that. It is not, "Hey, we're even voting on this now um in terms of first hearing, second hearing." So, we still got a lot of work to do. I know Brad and his team met with Second
Harvest uh last week. Uh I'm meeting with them this week, you know, to talk about various different practices about how we can make this work. But Brad, can you speak on the the church aspect of this? Like if it is a church congregation, what rules would apply and
not apply >> currently? >> Yeah. >> So, this is something we've been learning about uh that we've been finding food pantries come in all different shapes and sizes and they've been approved in a variety of different ways over the years. Some of them through a conditional use permit
associated with with uh maybe a church, some not. Some are standalone uh some and they are approved in different zoning districts under different uses. So there have been some creative ways that they've been approved or permitted either related to or consistent as or similar to a retail use
or a distribution use whatever that might be depending on exactly what they're trying to do. So, as we have been learning, they can come in standalone uh buildings, they can be in part of a retail center, they can be in a church, uh they can be a distribution
warehouse, uh they can be a place where they only distribute and they don't invite the public. So, the best answer I could really give is that they have been approved in a variety of ways and we have not been able based on our research yet find a real consistent pattern. So,
I don't know if we are really trying to create a u a solution to a problem that exists or not, but we would love to come back to you with some more information to give you a better answer. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Parish. Uh, city clerk,
>> Stephanie Palacio. >> Good evening. My name is Stephanie Plasios and I'm the director of government relations at Second Harvest Food Bank of Central Florida. And I look forward to meeting with you later this week and I want to thank Mr. Parish for taking time to meet with me and our chief operating officer who's actually a
Titusville resident um to talk about this issue. I think that the information that Mr. Parish has compiled is very important and pretty exhaustive thus far, but he's right. Our pantries are pretty diverse. Some of them are quite
small and many of the pantries, 11 of them within the city of Titusville get a majority of their food from Second Harvest Food Bank. Um, if you're not familiar with us, we are the largest hunger relief organization in Central Florida. Um, last year, pantries in the city of Titusville distributed over half
a million meals to city residents. They are providing an essential service to your constituents and we're here to help you in brainstorming some ways to ensure that they're are properly zoned and can still serve your constituents. So, I'm here as a resource. I'm happy to share
my information. I know that um Mayor Connor has my information and Mr. Parish does too, but please use the food bank as a resource. We're here to support our pantries and to support you going forward. >> Thank you very much. Click
>> Dan Johnston. >> Stan Johnson. I've been here about 54 years and I've been involved in the some of the uh feeding people under the bridge and Sandp Point Park and church involvement and so forth even at even at the uh Lane
Cooks Church. So, um uh I'm concerned about what's going on even in our city is that uh uh we've had a Salvation Army when I came here in 1970. It had a place for people to stay overnight and so
forth and that fed them and so forth and uh it's gone. It's gone. Um they uh uh but but when it when it went they what they did is they built a
a kitchen. They built a building for kitchen so that they could feed the needy. It was just built a few years ago. It's gone. There's a there's a movement here to uh to uh stop people from uh being needy.
and so forth. That is to just take it away. Uh and that's what I don't think you all understand that, but I've I've I've seen it happen is that uh we don't want people that are hungry. We don't want people that are needy. We want we
want a clean town. And that's the way it is with a lot of people. In fact, in this area of South Street, not South Street, but Main Street and Tropic Street, it was known as a red light district. It was by our police department. We had
a containment. They do that in big cities, but maybe they did it in Melbourne for a while, but I don't think it's right for the citizens to uh for the police to do what they've done. They've created crime in that area. The police have and I know that they
would pick up people there and they'd question them, interrogate them for u other other problems in our society, drugs and so forth like that. So, it's a it's a it's an area of of you know, you
you live in an area and by golly, it's it's it's it's made into a red light district by police enforcement. I don't think that's right. So, I'm just sharing with you there's a lot of things that the city of Tyville does I think
are wrong. And I'm very sorry about Salvation Army. You ran it into the ground. City reign the Salvation Army in the ground. Thank you. >> Thank you. Any other cards, city clerk? >> Uh yes, sir. An additional card was submitted.
>> Yeah. >> Can you call the card, please? >> Darcia Blair. Bear, excuse me. >> My name is Darcia Bayer. I'm actually speaking on behalf of Gina. Um I got a text message that she was running late and I asked a friend if she wanted me to
say something. Um, she said, "Mr. Parish, it was really nice meeting you last week." She said that she is looking forward to having the council join on August 22nd at their next distribution. She said the ideal time would be from 10:00 a.m. to 3 p.m. and she looks forward to seeing all of you there.
>> Thank you. >> City clerk just confirmed. No more cards, right? >> That's correct. >> All right. Thank you, member Stokele. >> Thank you. Um Brad, just to clarify, I think this issue got brought up because there was a church in our downtown area
that wanted to expand their food pantry into a separate building. Is that correct? >> Well, >> partially. >> Well, we received a request directly from council to address this. Uh we didn't bring the issue up to council, but we did prior to that meeting did
receive a request to re have a um for a be for a business, I'm sorry, a food pantry to move relocate from a church in downtown to a retail center in one of the units. Uh we did look at the code to see if there was something called out
could really allow that. Uh we started researching how the original one got there. business tax receipts. We were still investigating that and when we received your request to address this with an ordinance >> and um thank you for that. That provides I think the history for where I would
like to go with this being that one I don't think that there's any issue with them operating within churches. I think that that should and still will continue to happen. I that should not be a they should the churches should be able to do what they need to do. My question or concern is I don't want to
try to fix a problem that we don't have and I feel like that's what I'm hearing and because of this issue and they want to move in a separate location. I'm almost leaning toward one I definitely don't want to have all these uh regulations on needs to be this many feet away. It needs to have an indoor waiting area only these certain hours
because I think we all probably received emails and communications that those would not be beneficial. Um, what I'm leaning toward is if this this is something that somebody does want to do and move into another space in the downtown area is uh looking at maybe addressing only the downtown mixeduse
area. Maybe doing I appreciate the table saying yes, you could do this. It's a limited use in this area if you wanted. Um, but beyond that, I just don't think I I feel like it's too much to try to get in there. I appre I know why Melbourne has theirs that they I just don't think we're we have issues right
now. And so I'd like to move forward and I I appreciate the partnership with the church and North Charities. I think that's great and I want them to be able to do what they need to, but I don't want to impact I've had zero complaints on food pantries and I don't want to hurt that. So that's kind of the
direction I would like to move in. >> Member Mscoso. >> Um yeah, I would echo everything that member Stokol said. I before moving over to Titusville, I we actually I worked with an organization that partnered with Second Harvest um and we did run a food pantry and um it it ran in a variety of
ways. We had a drive-thru. Yeah, it was amazing. And so even looking at um it being 500 feet from a residential district. I mean people uh we don't want to create barriers for people to get food. And so that's where people are. That's where the need is and in these
neighborhoods. And so I would agree. I don't really want to touch this at this moment. I don't want to create a bigger issue. And so if we could just look at uh this one downtown use with um with United Methodist um and move forward and try to work that out so that we can
continue. Is that United Methodist? >> Yeah. >> Can I speak to that? >> I'm sorry, sir. I'm I'm sorry, sir. You can't. >> I just want to answer some questions. >> Getting ready to >> I'm getting ready to answer those questions. Anyway, so I'll just echo
what member Stokeal said. I'd rather just um if this is and I'll let you speak to that as well, but just to kind of let it go and >> thank you, member MCO, member Nelson. >> Okay, I get to answer some of the
questions. Someone came to me um and North Prevar Charities wanted to partner with the church and run a food pantry. The food pantry is actually across from the church on property owned by the
church. So if we turned around and said that we wanted to allow food ch pantries with the church um as an accessory use with the church or the church is doing it, it's on church property, something
like that, we'd be fine. and they would be fine. But I agree. I I think putting restrictions on the food pantries, you know,
8 to 5, you know, and somebody's working and they need to come at 5:30, they need to come at 6. Uh what are we gonna say? Gee, if you're not here at 4:30, your kids starve tonight. I mean, we can't do that.
So, or you know your um food pantry is 500 uh feet from a house. Yeah. Um most of these food pantries seem to be connected to the church and
you're right in residential areas. So, I'd like to get rid of that part. Did I Did I answer it all? Okay. Okay. Thank you, Member Nelson. Uh, Mr. Parish, why can't North River Charities open up
a food pantry at their office on Hopkins? >> I'd have to look at their their situation specifically, but I know that they this is in the Indian River City neighborhood. Uh there is a that was a there's a special zoning district that was
approved to address social services in that neighborhood several years ago and it actually uh grandfathered what's there now but prohibits their expansion in that particular neighborhood. And I from what I understand 2010 to 2012
there was a community plan with a zoning ordinance that was adopted in response to some concerns of members of of the residents in that neighborhood. >> Okay. Okay. So, we established that the IRC zoning district does not basically allow the expansion of social services.
Uh, so what districts zoning districts are food pantries allowed to currently operate in? >> Well, again, to to reiterate what I said before, I'd have to explore that more because the the answer to that is all over the map right now. But I have to what I want to suggest though, if you do
want to go forward with this and have something more expedited to adopt, take a look at page 498. instead of coming up with these conditions that were considered from other jurisdictions that we were looking at, maybe just utilize what we have now.
And you'll see under paragraph C one and two and you see what I'm talking about there in the neighborhood commercial zoning district and in the RM the regional mixeduse zoning district there are specific standards there for community service 50 ft for any abuing residential
zoning and then there's a landscape offer or you could go with paragraph two which is an existing condition for community services uses in the community commercial zoning district which is a 25- foot distance and That's it. So
those are conditions that are specifically stated for the use community service. And if you look at the definition, it includes a lot of different nonprofit public type uses in there. And if we add the words food pantry as part of that definition, it
will be captured in um in those one of those conditions, we could probably address it where in a downtown we would treat it no different than a community commercial zoning district. So if if if you'd like to expedite this, that's one idea I can suggest to you um
to come up with something very quick so that uh this can be adopted uh expeditiously. Otherwise, if you want to see more information, more research, I' I'd have to some more time to be able to put all that together. Um because if we come up with something more specific
like we have here, I think there's a potential of of um creating a a nonconformity non-conforming use with an existing food pantry. >> Thank you, Mr. P. Vice Mayor Cole. You know, I'm of the opinion that if it
ain't broke, don't fix it. Um, I don't think there's a problem if the because of the problem that we do have with people needing food. And I've worked in food pantries and I've worked in kitchens and I thought North Bard had a
pantry because we used to give out food there for our Rotary Club. >> Someone complained about it. >> Someone complained about it. Okay. I I would almost be of an ilk that I would say grandfather the food pantries that are there where
they are and as we move forward and get requests then we work out something. I I just can't see us putting any restrictions on people that are doing good in our community.
>> Thank you, Vice Mayor Cole. And that was why I specifically asked the the question to Mr. Parish is, you know, I keep hearing this if it ain't broke, don't let's not cause any more problems. But we do have a problem and it's the fact that food pantries are not able to really operate within our city limits as it currently sits. So I want to make
sure that we realize that we're addressing the problem or solving the problem of making sure that these uh organizations can continue to uh operate in our community. Member Nelson. So Brad, does this work?
If we just turn around and say downtown mixeduse district, food pantries are permitted when they are operated in conjunction with a religious organization or by a religious organization/church.
We we would have to explore that and come back to you because definitely we'd have to consult with legal opinion on that. But it's it's something we we can come back to you with a response as based on and give you our findings.
>> So go over again what you're proposing. >> Sure. The what I believe might be the quick option and again I'll have to come back to you with you know our findings to see if this really would work. You look on page 498. >> Okay. >> Um just add in the word you know the
zoning district DMU under paragraph two. So, we'll treat them no different than if they were permitted in a community commercial zoning district. And then I'll also look into see where they're located and if they're specifically prohibited in those zoning districts to see if there's a way to
maybe add in here that they'd be permitted. We did notice that >> uh that if this ordinance is adopted as written here that one particular uh very significant uh pantry food pantry is located in one of our public zoning districts,
>> right? potentially could be caused uh become non-conforming. So that's something we would need to address as well. >> Okay. >> And I think we can do that with your direction. >> Yep. >> All right. So >> that would be my direction.
>> I was going to call in member still. Where were you going to make a direction? >> Yeah, that's I didn't know if you guys needed a motion or do you have enough direction from us as council to move forward? I I have enough direction unless >> Yeah. So, you know, try to cover all your bases and as many zoning districts
as possible and, you know, keep keep the regulation low. >> We'll we'll come back to you with a draft of this before we advertise it. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate all you guys coming in tonight, but hopefully that gave you some clarity that we're we're working on trying to fix it, make sure that we get all the input from all the providers
that that are here and even including those friends from Orlando. So, city manager, >> sir. Moving on to consent agenda. Are there any items on consent that the council wish to pull for further discussion? >> Member Stokel. >> Yes. Can I pull C?
>> C is pulled. Member Nelson. >> FNG. >> FNG. >> Mhm. >> Any other items? Alrighty. Well, let's get into them. Please read A B D E H I
>> B >> J >> for the record, please. >> A B D E HI. I'll go ahead and read those for the record. >> NJem 8A, report or hurricane Nicole hazard mitigation grant program recorder dynamics generator.
approved the hurricane Nicole hazard mitigation grant program records annex generate award and authorize the mayor to sign the federally funded subawward and grant agreement and required certifications. 8B lease extension for 2910 Garden
Street for FY2026. Approve the lease extension for 2910 Garden Street for use by the city of Taiso public works department as the operations office space. 8 D FY25 medical claims budget
amendment. Approve the budget amendment in the amount of 1,198,865 for medical claims to cover the remainder of FY2025. Item 8, Lime Slurry Removal Services Contract Award. approved the award of
the lime slurry cont lime slurry removal services contract to K a Specialty Products Incorporated of North Ken Ohio in the amount of $23,000. Item 8H, HVA services contract award.
approved the award of the HVAC service contract to Southeast Services of CFL Incorporated, Rush Facilities LLC, and Air Mechanical and Service Corporation for the completion of HVAC related projects on an asneeded basis for an
annual amount not to exceed $100,000 and authorize the mayor to execute the contract and 8 I fiscal year 2025 road reconstruction reservicing project change Order. approved the change order number one of the FY25 road
reconstruction recons resurfacing project to Maski General Contractors of Port Orange in the amount of 3559,54866 for the construction of 1.74 miles of additional road resurfacing improvements
and 8J storm water and piping insulation services funding increase approve an increase of $727,29 to the annual authorized amount for the construction of various utility maintenance and improvement projects
under contract CN23B019/TB on an as needed basis for the annual amount not to exceed 1 million227,29. >> All right, that was a mouthful. Appreciate it. Thank you, >> city clerk. Uh yes sir. Um we have two speakers tonight. Uh the first speaker had
submitted for C and our second speaker had submitted for a total of eight items and city man city manager read highlighted five of them that he wants to speak on. >> Who who was that person that signed up for all of them?
>> Uh Stan Johnson. >> Mr. Johnson, you are up. We're on the consent agenda. >> So understand that items C, F, and G have been pulled. So you will get another opportunity to speak on those items because we're not talking about
them right now. We're talking about the rest of >> They've been pulled. >> They've been pulled and we're going to discuss them. So you'll have another opportunity to talk about them. >> Okay. Now, so I'm going to have three minutes for the other ones that I pulled. >> Yeah. Okay, you'll get another opportunity.
>> Okay. All right. Well, I don't know about this. >> Well, I've got a card for for for a number of items and u u my concern is that u my uh time will be taken away as it has been in the past. And as I
explained, I'm not sure whether it was last meeting or not, but I talked about K Staint an she her time was just taken away. Um, and that was after I was removed from the uh um from the the hall. And then Mr. Jim here, the
attorney, said something like, "Well, you know, uh, we're going to ask if if if um if you're doing something you shouldn't do, Mr. Johnston, or you in the beginning here, you spoke is that uh we'll be asked to return to your seat."
So um in this particular case is that uh last meeting if you all remember what happened is I was removed which I believe was unfairly outside and uh I was able to convince John to uh somehow
that police officer to uh I got back in. Well, when I got back in, my attorney said >> point of order. You You're not talking about anything pertaining to the consent agenda. >> Yes, I am. I'm talking about >> No, you're not. You talk about wasting time. You're wasting your own time right
now. >> Okay. >> Well, I got I got several of them. I have 8 A B C and and and actually I'm approving of these these 8 A B C uh I
and I um so um I'm approving of but the thing is it seems like when I come here I I'd like to know if I'm going to get my time or not or if I'm going to be
kicked out and I think that's a that's That's that's really a part of me speaking here. >> Okay. Well, I would like what you to do is instead instead if you if you don't think I'm on topic, think very clearly
is that is it is it a possibility maybe that that Mr. Connor should recuse himself because absolutely there's a number of times that I have been removed. I've been told that I was not on topic when I was on topic and that's what happened last time. But in this
right now. I think that especially when I'm speaking on this consent agenda item is that that I I I speak in terms of of what has happened here in the past on consent agenda items in which I've been removed or said I wasn't on on on task
and I was taken out clarify because part of the rules the mayor decides whether you're on topic or not and I've had enough fun of this back and forth so please please have a seat >> Mr. Connors and that's not correct because you can be wrong and we'll sue that we will sue you.
>> Well, I wish you all the best in doing that. Please have a seat. >> Okay. Well, understand that the that the city is responsible. >> Please have a seat. Thank you. And city clerk, I believe you did mention that there was another card, but it was for C. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Well, C, we're we're holding on.
Hold off. We're not to see. We're still on the other consent agendum items. C was pulled. All right. City Council. Any discussion on the other items? ABDE HIG. Now I get a motion. What is that?
>> Am I having a stroke? >> Okay. >> Move to approve consent agenda items A, B, D, E, H, I, and J. >> Second. I have a motion and I have a second. All those in favor say I.
>> I. >> All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Now we're on to 8C. City manager. >> 8C is a code enforcement lean reduction request for 2110 South Louisiana Street. And it's approved the special
magistrate's recommendation for a code enforcement lean reduction to the amount of $3,000 plus $198.97 in city cost for a total of $3,198.97 and payable to the city of Title within 90 days.
>> Thank you, city manager. City clerk. >> Uh yes, sir. Two speakers. The first is Carl I'd like to say first of all, thank you for reducing it from $16,400 to $3,000.
And my cardiologist thanks you too. Um the there there was a big mixup because I bought a piece of property and I have a contractor that's going to build a house myself on this piece of property
and I hope to someday become a resident of Titusville. And um so anyway, I bought a piece of property. It was um un undeveloped land and uh obviously
the grass grew too much and it got some overgrowth there. I was totally unaware of it. Uh code enforcement went out there and sent a letter to to the contractor and I never really got the letter and that's not really
your problem. But anyway, there's two things. Number one, I didn't really know about it. And I know that's no excuse, you know, but when I did find out about it, I promptly took care of it the next day. I got a lawn service
company to cut it twice every other week. Uh I even put down some uh defoliant to keep it back. Uh we even trim the uh there's a sidewalk that runs in front of it. I even edge the sidewalk, have the sidewalk edged. So,
I'm trying to be as good of a neighbor as I possibly can. So, um, like I said, I thank you very much for reducing the fine to only $3,100 or something like that. But I think I'm
here to ask for a little more leniency. You still $3,000 is is a lot of money, you know. Uh and and if if there's anything uh that could be done, I I'm trying my best to uh you know, be a good citizen and
and and and respect the the property and and respect the other neighbors. Obviously, it was probably, you know, people that on the street were upset about it. I didn't know about it. There's even in the um
in in the Bvard tax thing, the addresses are all screwed up. We tried to have the addresses changed. The code enforcement sent to the address that was in the Bvard County. So I I understand that. But anyway, my time is over. I think
>> you said 20 seconds. >> Yeah. All right. Well, anyway, if if there's anything you can do for me, it would be greatly appreciated. Uh, I'm I'm at your mercy. >> Thank you very much, sir. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> City clerk, any other cards on uh 8C?
>> Uh, yes, sir. Stan Johnston. >> My name is Stan Johnston. I guess I'm going to get three minutes on this unless you don't like what I say. This is code enforcement and uh uh I'm not against this. Not not at all. In
fact, as u maybe that's what should be done, what what he just said, and that is to even lower more than what you're doing because of all kinds of things that happened. I uh I see in law enforcement some horrible things that happened like uh I was considered a
homeless person and take put into jail and I didn't get my uh court appearance. So they they tried the police tried to uh charge me again for missing a court date. So that wasn't I'm homeless. But
anyhow, that's something else. Code enforcement. The thing is is that uh I would like to see code enforcement uh in a number of things and I've talked to uh Mr. Tolson about this and there's so
many times he can't do a thing for me. So I've called the uh chief of police. I said, "Can you report these?" I guess he said he can if he wants to. And then so I so I talked to the state attorney. That was Archer.
uh and uh he said, "Well, my goodness is that he can't he can't he can't stop the city from breaking the law unless he gets a police report." So, again, I talked to to uh chief of police and he says he's not going to report this the
city >> point. This is code. No, no, you're not speaking to the item that we're talking about. >> I'm approving that. >> But, but you're still not speaking to it. You're off topic again. >> Well, this is about co code enforcement.
>> It doesn't matter if it's about code enforcement. We're talking about the special magistrate reduction of fines for a specific property. >> Didn't I tell you what I said my my uh my position was? >> Yeah, that doesn't mean the next she even has it says I'll approve it. >> But that doesn't mean you can talk three minutes if you're going to talk about
something other than what the item is outlined on the consent agenda. >> Well, I think it's related. In other words, what the government does, I believe it's related, but u u I think that Mr. Tullson's doing a good job.
>> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. >> Any other cards? >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yeah, I do have a question of uh the owner of the property. How long No, I can ask Mr. Tolson. How long was this
going on with the uh letters going out? I know he said he wasn't getting them, but how what was the duration of time on that? >> Well, it was probably close to 6 months, but the problem was and and he didn't actually
get to what that issue was is we were providing notice to DWB developers, Inc. and the registered agent. Uh the respondent in this case, Mr. Deltic
is a member of DWB developers, but they were signing for every certified mail we sent. Uh we had good service throughout the whole process. Unfortunately, they were
not passing it on to the owner. Once he did get it, he did take immediate action just as he said and hasn't been an issue since. >> Member Nelson, >> um I appreciate what he's saying and I
appreciate you're telling us that he immediately took action. My suggestion is going to be that we reduce it to 1,500 plus cost. That seems fair.
Thank you, Member Nelson. Member Stokel. >> Yeah, my question was um where did the 3,000 amount come from? Was it just an arbitrary number from the magistrate or? >> No, ma'am. There's a set criteria of eight particular items that he goes through. Okay.
>> He heard testimony uh to include what I I've just passed on to y'all. >> Okay. And it just weighed those options >> and he weighed that and that that was >> okay. >> The amount he he reduced it to. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm I'm fine with member Nelson's point. Um I'm I'm fine
with even just fees quite frankly because my position on this has always been to get people into compliance. Um also don't want people intentionally not complying. And so if it's true that he just wasn't getting these and then as soon as he did get them it was in compliance. Like that's the whole point
of this is to get people in compliance, not to really collect fees. So I'm fine with as long as we get the cost to the city any and then if anybody wants anything above that that's okay but definitely in favor of reducing it. >> Thank you member Stokal. Member Mscoso. >> Yeah. Um I would be okay with the 1500.
I would say I wouldn't want to live next to this if it were like that. So as a neighbor I might be a little frustrated to know that the the fees were reduced from 16,000 to 3,000 and then we're going down even lower. Um because that could set a precedent. the next person that comes in, they could say, "Well,
you lowered his fees in half." Um, so I honestly I think I would be more in favor of going to what the magistrate said just because it would make it even across the board. If the next person comes in, we're not seen as showing favoritism. I do appreciate the effort that you did make. Um, so I do think my
recommendation would just be to keep it at the 3,000. >> Thank you, Member Mscoso. Mr. Mr. Toulson, my question for you is how much time, all staff time do we have in this particular case, including the special magistrate, investigations, letters,
cost, because uh you know 200 bucks ain't the cost. >> Yes, sir. It actually started um our first hearing was September the 9th of 2024. So it would have been probably initiated in July of 24.
>> So a year. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. So approximately how many manh hours? >> Well, that's that'd be a hard number because we kind of don't track those. >> I get that. I was just asking you to ballpark for me.
>> But for each inspection and there would have been several reinspections upon that, you're probably spending 12 to 14 hours. >> Okay. So again, just trying to get an idea of what cost is, but again, that's
why we hire and pay for the special magistrate, right? Is to look at all these factors and do that due diligence for us. So, you know, again, I'm very much um in support of following their recommendation. So, with that being said, we all had our say, we all
listened to everything. Does anybody want to make a motion? >> Member Nelson, >> I'll make the motion. You guys can say yay or nay. Um, I would approve the recommendation of 1,500 plus cost
um payable to the city within 60 days for the property located 2110 South Louisiana Street. >> I have a motion. Not seeing a second. All right. Can I have another motion? Member Stol.
>> Yep. I'll make a motion to approve the special magistrate's recommendation for the code enforcement lean reduction to the amount of 3,000 plus uh costs of 198.97. >> Second. >> I have a motion. I have a second. Any further council discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I.
>> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Appreciate you, Glenn. >> City manager. >> Next item is 8F employment agreement for the city manager and the recommendation is approved. the employment agreement for the city manager.
City clerk. >> Uh, yes, sir. One card, Stan Johnson. >> My name is Stan Johnson, 860 Point Set Avenue. Now, uh I just spoke about what happened in this
last one in which there was uh they didn't provide notice because of mailing and I said the same example of that and I believe that was staying on task. I just don't see how that was off task at all. In other words, I had similar
situation is that as a homeless person, there was no way I was going to receive the court order that that's what the police had called me. They said I was a homeless person on the report. >> Mr. Johnson, we're talking about the employment agreement for a city manager.
>> We're just talking about just what happened just now. In other words, you guys complained about me and this was an issue of this very thing is he can't >> you need to be talking about this agenda item which is 8F which is the employment of the city manager.
>> I object to you talking over me. >> Okay. You want time? Go ahead. Speak. Go ahead. >> Are you finished? >> Mason. >> Mr. Johnson, you may now have a seat. >> What? >> You may now have a seat. I'm not I can't even say what I can't even talk about
this. >> You forfeit. >> Okay. In other words, I can't talk. I object. Can Can somebody Can somebody support? >> Please have a seat. >> Thank you. City clerk, are there any other cards? >> Yes, sir. >> All right. City council member Nelson.
>> So, this is my question. Sorry, Tom. Um, as I I told our city attorney, I have a problem with the amount of uh severance pay if an employee is
terminated because one of the things I wanted to do was make sure that um a city manager, whoever it is, is not terminated for political reasons. But on the other hand, I wanted to make sure it
was something that hurt financially where we seriously considered this. So that was my goal. So right now we're talking about
surveance pay of 20 weeks. And as I told Jim, I felt comfortable with 12 weeks. I feel comfortable maybe 16 weeks. I didn't feel really comfortable with 20 weeks. So that's my question is
how you guys feel about it. >> Thank you. Member Nelson. Uh was there any points um other than severance pay in terms of the amount of weeks that was an issue for you that you wanted to bring up? >> That was the only real issue I had.
>> Okay. Um, anybody else have any other issues uh with this contract? I'm not not seeing any. So, I guess now we'll just talk about the discussion of severance pay in terms of weeks. Um, you know, in the private sector, you
usually don't see a whole lot of severance pay. You know, it's not really a thing. I do understand where you're coming from in terms of making sure that, you know, if somebody, you know, wanted to terminate somebody due to I didn't like their haircut or whatnot, you want to make sure that they felt the consequences of that. In 20 weeks, I
mean, you're looking at uh four, no, I'm sorry, four and a half months. You know, that that's pretty significant. Um, but uh I'm I'm flexible in that number. Uh whether it's 16, uh I think that would also be sufficed to be, you know, four months. Uh but member Stokl.
>> Yeah, I was going to say that maybe 16's a good compromise. I definitely wouldn't want less than 12. Um just thinking about this position and we saw how long it takes to go through getting a city manager position. So if we were to terminate someone, you know, by that date, then they go start applying,
seeing what's out there. It would it would take at least a couple months, I think, for them to be able to get hired on. So I would want a minimum of three months for them. Um but I hear you on that. The 20 weeks is a lot. Yeah. >> Um so and then it and I'm okay with the
20 weeks. Maybe a 16 weeks would be a good compromise. And then just to reiterate um he's not going to be collecting any um or going into the pension. The city won't be paying into that or health insurance. So we do have a cost savings there. Um so that's another thing I just
wanted to point out. So um yeah, I think 16 weeks may be a good compromise. And for those all watching at home, this is just termination, not termination for cause. >> If they're terminated, this person's terminated for a cause, that forfeits
everything. This is just termination for whatever random reason you want. >> Nelson, >> to be honest, Tom's been here forever, so I don't really expect us to show him the door anytime soon or ever. Um, I
think it's just a perception to be honest with you. >> Thank you, Member Nelson. Can I have a motion? >> So, my motion would be to approve the employment agreement for the city manager with that one change
>> which is >> 16 weeks >> of severance pay. Everybody clear on the motion? >> Yes. And I would second that. >> All right. So, I have a motion and I have a second. Any further council discussion? All those in favor say I. >> All opposed. Motion carries. Thank you
very much. City manager >> AG is the employment agreement for the city attorney and the recommendation is approve the employment agreement for the city attorney. City clerk. >> Uh yes sir. One card. Stan Johnston.
>> My name is Stan Johnson. If you want to talk over me, I don't appreciate I like my time when you when you do that. But in this case is that uh the last one it's for the uh 8 F for the city manager. I was very much
uh for that for that and in the situation of employment agreement for the city attorney with Mr. Mckenry. I've been in touch with Mr. Mckenry and so I'm against it. I'm against it. So, what I uh so I'm going to explain to you why I'm against it. And uh you may think
that I'm out of order, but as far as I'm concerned, you guys are out of order, completely out of order for what you just did to me just a few minutes ago. So, uh in my uh uh against this uh employment agreement with Mr. Mckenry who I've contacted
I indicate to him is that as a surveyor if someone if someone hires me and doesn't tell me if there's overlaps if there's deed problems and so forth like that I don't have a good I do not have an a good agreement I do not have a contract even though I sign a contract
it's not it's not right it's not fair the same thing I expressed to Mr. Mckenry is the city of Titusville is horribly dysfunctional. Dysfunctional is is what I sent to him. What I did was I sent you
emails June the 25th and June and July the 26th. And I've asked I've asked this all these council members here and Mr. everybody to return to respond to this email and none of that. But every day
since June the 25th, that's seven weeks, nobody has returned my call and I have called every day. Every day. >> Was it about the city attorney contract? >> It was about what I sent on the June the
25th on the 26th that has to do with Mr. Mckenry. So I also added that to 26. So that's only been less than what 3 weeks or so. But the thing is what I'm saying is when you tell people that you respond to emails and so forth and and so forth and you respond to people calling on the
phone, you do not you do not and and in the case of the July 26 that went to M Mr. Mckenry, here's here's what I asked you to call me about and you didn't never recall me. It says this is called a a a draft review of affidavit against
nonsense and deception. This is why I'm I'm reading the title. Why I Stan Johnson PE can comfortably testify in court that four out of five Titusville council members are lawless liars, cheats, and connors. It's a very important thing for him to know
>> and he never responded. And here what I here I have here I close the email like this. I say >> thank you, Mr. >> I say all readers, please send me your comments and any errors. You didn't do it. >> Appreciate you. >> No, thank you.
>> All right. Any other cards, city clerk? >> Uh, no, sir. And just for good measure, um, at the beginning of the meeting, I distributed um additional information I believe that you received via email earlier today. >> Yes. Thank you, >> Member Nelson.
>> So, my apologies. Um I may have read this wrong. Uh but this is severance pay for eight weeks um for the first for the first year and
after the first year 16 weeks. So it lines up. So any rate I would make a motion to approve the contract. >> Well, I have a motion. Second. I have a motion and I have a second that does not preclude further
discussion because now we go into discussion so I don't want anybody to freak out the own voting. Member Mscoso. >> Um just a point of clarification. Um I know that we have a performance evaluation for the city manager. Did we not add that in for the city attorney?
>> We did add that in. It is >> I believe it's in the paragraph section four. It's at the top of page three. Um, section 4B, the city council shall review and evaluate the performance of the employee at least once annually at the same time and in the same manner as
it reviews and evaluate the city manager. >> Okay, thank you. Sorry, I must have missed that. I appreciate you adding that in. >> Thank you, member Stokal. >> Yes, and to reiterate, we've not done that before. So, that's a good change. And then I just point of clarification with the motion in the second is that including the change that we received
from our regarding uh severance payment being the highlighted change severance payment stated here and will only be payable upon city upon employee executing a full general release of any and all claims against the city associated with his
employment. >> Yes. >> Okay. So the motion and the second was for the most updated contract we all received. Okay. >> Not four contracts ago. Any other discussion? All right. So I have a motion. I have a second. All those in favor say I.
>> I. >> All opposed. Motion carries. Thank you very much, city manager. >> Moving on. We have no ordinances in item nine or 10. So move on to old business item 11. And that's the outsourcing registry of foreclosed and vacant
properties. And as you recall, um, we had a gentleman from Hero Corporation, um, petition the council to have it re his bid reconsidered because of a scrier's error on behalf of the purchasing. We did evaluate that and we
reconvene the committee and they went ahead and they rated the hero corporation as the highest bid. So now the two um questions that we're asking council to address, one, do we continue to in-house monitor the registry or do
we outsource and if we outsource, do we um go with the selection committee's recommendation of hero corporation and our code enforcement manager is here to address any questions you may have. >> Thank you very much, city manager. Good to see you again, Mr. Tolson. City
Clerk, are there any cards? Uh, yes sir. One card. >> Is it Mr. Johnson? >> Yes sir. >> Mr. Johnson, you are up. >> My name is Stan Johnston and uh uh I uh have looked up this this item with a
hero corporation and um it's too it's too much for me to understand. It's too many pages. So, I'm not going to comment anymore. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Any other cards? >> All right. I just want to clarify. Vice Mayor Cole.
>> Yes. Uh Glenn, what's your opinion? >> What would you what would you propose that we do? >> Well, as you can see, I did change my vote >> based on on what we have. Um, in reality,
if you start looking at some of the markets that they're going and some of the interest rates, we could at some point get back where they would be viable for us to have. So, we have that. Um and then on top of that actually uh if
you recall you had asked about percentages of what we do >> and that that actually had me going in a in a different direction actually. Um, what I did find is the it's kind of should just be called
foreclosed properties as opposed to vacant properties because out of the 130 only 15 of them were vacant. And and with that they're on top of it. We don't do a lot
with those. The problem is is I have probably 40 that are vacant that will never ever hit that list and those are the ones that that we could better spend time towards >> to be honest. Um and on top of that all
the ones out of those 130. So you figure and and we did look at the other list um the list that was provided after you went through and took out everyone that was dregistered or had been sold again. The numbers are all basically all around
the same about 100 130 u but uh a lot of those are all people living in those homes and there and they know they're in foreclosure and those are the people we'll continue to work with no matter which way y'all go. We're
not going to stop doing that. >> Um and we do do a lot of that. And um as far as the vacant registry, you could expound on that to I know that a lot of other jurisdictions have started pushing
towards uh vacation rentals and those kind of things. And if you tried to keep up with those, then yeah, you would definitely want someone else doing that. >> Thank you. But all in all, I think it's a uh
it was a good company and uh I think it's the direction that y'all would like to see us to go. We we'll be happy to go either direction. I I can guarantee you I have a lot of stuff I can continue to do with the 8% that we spend on that.
>> Thank you very much. Uh Glenn, um what I would like to see is I believe if I read it correctly, $75 flat fee per transaction, right? >> That's correct. >> Okay. And our current fee is 150. Correct.
>> Yes, sir. >> Okay. I would like us to move forward with this. Uh and I would also like to increase our fee from 150 to 300. And I would like council to give direction to our city staff and city attorney's office in looking at making that change
because at the end of the day we're talking about charging out of town banks that are foreclosing on our homeowners here in Titusville. And uh you know if they're going to do that we want to make sure that you know they're they're kind of paying the price so to speak. So, um I think that'll not only help us a
little bit financially, but um make sure that they're they're investing and keeping up their property because if not, those fees will start to add up and then uh you know, this company will will take the property on our behalf. So, uh we'll end up owning it and we can give it back to the people. It doesn't matter
to me. Member Mscosa. >> Um, so right now we have 131 and we don't have, if I remember correctly, we don't have like the software available to really know exactly how many we truly
have in the city. >> Well, that also I found was not actually correct. No, >> I can actually get all that software for free. >> Could you? Okay. So my question would be is um I didn't know if because before we thought we didn't have that if that
number was going to jump let's say to two an extra hundred to 230 would your team have the um bandwidth because you're now you have the speed zone cameras on your plate and then you're not uh just because we're outsourcing
the administrative part you're still extremely involved in this and so my concern is um by yes it's a great thing we'll add more numbers possibly to this, but that adds more work to you. Um, is your team going to have the bandwidth to
do all of these new things? >> Uh, I wish I could tell you. I'd love to increase what services we provide this community by 150%. But, but I can't. I mean, we we try and like I said, this
only took 8% of our time. We're still very involved in helping out our community and we're going to continue to do that and we know where those properties are. U just as we heard tonight uh a lean reduction. Um what a
lot of people don't know is I have over 470 something leans running on properties today and we're we're trying to work with those. I've been working with the legal department. We've been sending out some more demand letters to get that
dialogue going and just as as tonight we have some well we heard three on Monday. Um so we're going in a positive direction and and and again it's not about the money it's about the compliance and and we're getting that.
Uh sometimes we we have to do a little bit more work as we had one case where we had a person residing in a driveway that was actually a registered property but it was they resided there. So vacant res doesn't do you any good because they
don't do anything with a property that has people in it. So if you look at the numbers they would have helped us on 14. >> Okay. And yeah, I I just want to make sure that we're protecting your team because you have a such a small team and you have such a big job to do. Um so maybe you could give us an update after
six months and just let us know how um the process is working and and any updates. I would appreciate that. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Member Stokel. >> Yes. Um I actually felt quite the opposite that this would help free up some of the time and when I spoke with
Glenn um this would be something that complements what their department is doing and they can work hand in hand. So this handles to the mayor's point the ones that are bankowned that are just sitting there that we can help get them in compliance. They have lawyers on their team to get them and then Glenn's team which is what you guys are really
great at will work with our residents to try to get them in compliance and still do those softer skill things that we need. So, um, no, I think this is a a huge win. I think this is a great partnership that I'm always trying to advocate for for efficiency, for saving taxpayer dollars, for getting our city
beautiful. So, I I think this is a overall win and I'm I'm happy to see um this kind of move forward. I think it will be great. And to member Mscos's point, I think that we can get, you know, a six month or an annual update and see trends of like is this working for us? Um, and that would be good to
have that report. So, I'm definitely in favor of this. >> Be happy to. >> Thank you, member Stok. Member Nelson. >> Oh, I agree with you guys. Originally, I thought we should keep it in the house, but the more I looked at it, the more I thought about it, the more I thought
free the team up, um, let these people have it might be a great partnership. It sounds like it would be. I do think we should raise the um, fee. Yeah, because looking through the stats
from the other cities, I mean, most of those cities were charging 300. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And we're charging 150. >> Oh, you want to have a motion? >> Okay. So, um
the direction would be to outsource an authorized staff to conduct negotiations with her property register. authorize the mayor to execute the contract. Um and also uh advisability to look at
the fee structure. >> Uh we we we can go that route or I can bring you back because those fees are set by resolution according to the code. So I can prepare the resolution for the mayor's signature. Uh the only thing I
ask with that is I'm leaving on vacation. I'm going back to what the middle of September, first week of September. If I could bring that later in the month. >> I think we need to advertise too. >> Well, >> so >> Miss uh city attorney
>> do we if we're changing a fee structure, is it a resolution or an ordinance? >> That would Well, it depends. Is it exists in an ordinance now? >> Okay. Then it would have to be an ordinance. >> Okay. So, yeah, it would have to be advertised. >> You couldn't change it by resolution if it was >> Yeah. And uh city attorney, do we need
two separate motions on this? One to direct them to go with the number one ranked firm and the other one to two separate motions. Let's make it cleaner. >> Okay. So the first motion would be to authorize the staff to conduct final negotiations with her property register
authorize you to execute contract subject to the review of city attorney and city manager. >> Second. >> All right. I have a motion and I have a second. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> All opposed. Motion carries. Thank you very much. Member Nelson.
>> Second uh motion would be to have um an ordinance brought back to us raising the fee structure for uh foreclosed and vacant properties >> from 150 to 300
>> from 150 to 300. Um and also to provide us with some information about what the other cities are doing. >> Yes ma'am. >> Second point of clarification. Would this mean that the company would now get
is is the contract say 50% of the fee or would it they still get the $75? >> That that would >> Yeah, they're okay. Thank you. I just >> wanted to double check. >> Yeah, they were one of the fixed cost ones. The rest of them were um percentage. So, you know, actually then
by doing this, we would actually make more than what we're currently making now on these things. So, guys, remember I got a business mind. So, all right. So, I got a motion and I have a second for that draft ordinance. Uh because this is not on the agenda and we're about to vote on it, I'm going to give the public an opportunity to voice uh
their opinion on whether we raise uh the fee for a bank for closing on a home in Titusville. You could >> thank you for the opportunity. My name is Mr. Urban. I won't say Stan.
>> I am the national sales manager for our hair registry. I've known Mr. Johnson, CJ Johnson for too many years. And unfortunately, he said, "Stan, you got to get down to Titusville." Why? Well, I'm going to Vegas. I'm in Chicago. I'm
supposed to be in Orlando for the Anyway, I'm here. Number one, the national average out of the over 250 communities that we are doing business with, the average is $325 semianually.
Some in Illinois are as high as $550. Some in Illinois are as low as $75. Because the mayor there told me personally, Stan, I don't want to take a beating every week because of the red light cameras.
All you're doing is putting red light cameras on each corner so you can make money. So he just said $75. You want 75, you got it. Take it. We just want the information. The other thing that I will add is that we already work with over
250 communities nationally. Some of them as small as Opalaka, if I'm pronouncing that right, Florida, and some as big as Hillsboro. Some as big as Jacksonville. Some as big as Hills, well, Hillsboro County.
We are this close from working with the city of Chicago who has over 5,000 foreclosures. But that being said, the thing that everybody should know, back in the day during COVID, the federal government
told Freddy May and Fanny May, Freddy May, and whatever the other one is, you can issue the foreclosure papers, but you can't evict anybody. >> It's a great idea that expires September 30th.
Cook County, Illinois, and I hate to keep bringing it up, but that's where I'm at. And I'm has over 3,000 evictions that will start on September 30th. It's not going to be as bad as 2009,
but the banks are going to start throwing people out of their houses. And we don't want to hurt the people. We've never contacted a resident in any one of the communities we do business with. We only contact the banks.
Other than that, if there's any other question, oh, and I would be happy to provide the attorney with a best practice ordinance to raise the fees. It would be probably replace and repeal and replace would be the cleanest, easiest way, and it would just
be one that I'm sure he'll want to redline a few things, but I can get that to him by the weekend. >> Thank you very much, sir. And I think what even caught me off guard and what what he said is by annually they charge
that fee. >> Yeah. >> That's their average. Did you catch that? $325 by annually. >> Semianual. >> Semianual. Sorry. Semianual. >> Yeah. Semianual. >> And the reason we we'll do annual if that's >> you know. So
>> the reason is today Chase owns it. two or four or eight weeks from now, >> another bank owns it and another bank owns it and then another. They're flipping houses like you wouldn't believe. >> And we're hurting, for lack of better
words, the banks. If anybody can afford it, they can afford it. And the reason they pay, nobody wants a letter coming from the mayor's office that says, "Here's a copy of our ordinance, which is a law sent to the
FDIC about a bank in Nebraska that doesn't want to pay." That's the last thing that Bank of Nebraska wants. Our collection rate is 97%. >> Thank you very much, sir. Appreciate it, >> Mr. Johnson.
We're discussing the impromptu >> vote to increase the fees for banks on closed homes in the city of Titusville. >> Yeah. Uh thank you for um correctly uh allowing me to speak. I'm not going to
speak long. just say this fellow right here in the blue shirt whose name is not Stan that I just say st ditto to him and if he needs more time he can have my time. >> Thank you very much. All right. So we had a motion. We had a second. We allowed the public to speak. Any further
discussion? >> Mayor Connor's. >> Yeah. >> Pardon me. Who did the second? >> I did. >> Vice Mayor. >> All right. So basically if Can you restate the motion? I'm sorry. It was advisability to increase
>> advisability to um increase the fee for the registry of foreclosed and vacant properties. >> All right. So, we have a motion and a second. Uh all those in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. Motion carries unanimously.
Thank you very much. Appreciate you guys. >> I just have one question actually. >> When when when you're referring about to advisability Did you want to go >> in other words bring back an ordinance? >> Well, I was going to say did you want to
expand it even to look at any other things that may be a vacant property within commercial districts because I know some communities are doing that now and I well I just want to make sure that I cover everything that you're asking.
>> Well, I I think uh in terms of the advisability I mean you kind of get the general sense for where we're going. if you bring in the information from from him and show that to us and then also highlight some other potential changes that you would recommend and provide that back to us when you get back from
your vacation. I think that'd be stupendous. >> Thank you very much. All right. Um, so that one's done. What did you say? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jealous. All
right. Item 12B. City manager. >> Yes, sir. 12B is the live local advisability which was carried forward from the last council meeting and we have the recommended action is to approve the advisability directing staff to propose an amendment to the city's
live local ordinance and Brad's here to answer any questions. >> Brad, you're still hiding way back there. >> It's a long walk. >> Thank you. The legislature approved another amendment to the live local law. So, we need to amend our live local
ordinance to be consistent with those changes. The main change is you'll I've explained to you before is um a different calculation of how we should determine what is a mixeduse component and um that does expand a live local
qualifying project to more properties such as um church owned properties. I'll try to answer any questions you have. The new law and the Senate bill analysis is in the agenda. >> City clerk, is there any cards on this item?
>> Uh, yes, sir. One card, Stan Johnston. >> Y'all y'all may I don't know if you understand. I'm I'm Stan Johnston and I I I speak here. I wish Megan was here to hear this, but I speak here because I I I went I go ahead and sign up for for
things that I don't know a lot about because I want to see what's going on. In this case, I know too too little about this. But I want you to understand is that I'm going to continue asking the same questions on council meetings because you don't
you don't give me answers to questions that I ask and you don't you don't uh respond to my emails. So I'm I'm going to pass on this but understand is that is that as far as I'm concerned uh you're not doing your job. Thank you.
>> Thank you m very much Mr. Johnson. But the basic summary is live local law at the state level that has preempted a lot of the local government's ways to police growth in their community. They have clarified and expanded things. So
therefore, we now need to change our laws to conform with the state laws. It's like McDonald's putting in a new playground. And guess what? We own a McDonald's franchise. We got to put in the new playground. >> Thank you for that. I don't know if I asked for it, but thank you. >> Hey, you're welcome. You said you don't get answers and I give you an answer.
All right. City Council member Stokl. >> Yes. Brad, can you just touch on the aspects of the um the mixed use definition just because I know that's something we talk a lot about and we've already had some discussion on it in prior live local projects. And then also
what the flexible parking provisions uh entails. >> The summary is on page 510 of your packet. You'll see a list of the changes proposed that are some in the analysis. Your question about what is it a mixed
use? From my reading, it includes parks and then the mixeduse component, we can only require up to 10% of the foyer ratio for the site. >> Okay, that's what I was wondering. The percentage has changed. >> Yes. >> Yeah. It used to be 20%.
Now that's been reduced to 10. And then the definition of what that floor ratio has changed as well. That's what I'm still a little um confused about. So that's something we probably need to get some clarification legally >> on that. But as you recall, the current city ordinance in order to address that mixeduse component
>> stated that 20% of the total floor area ratio of all buildings had to be mixed use. So that may change dramatically. It may not be just a reduction of 10% of that. And maybe we'll have to adhere to a new definition of what that uh 10% is.
>> Okay. >> The other question you had about the parking uh you'll see on that same page uh several bullets down. It says requires local governments to reduce parking requirements by 10 by 15% as opposed to considering such reduction as
provided in current law. So it's actually saying if it's a qualifying live local project then we have to automatically give them a reduction of 15%. At least that's my reading. >> Okay. So again another percentage. So it depends on what each municipality has.
So we can >> I believe so that >> right. So they're just doing a blanket 15% reduction versus how many. Okay. Okay. And then um could you clarify? There was one other thing ahead on um in
the actual I think it's on page 517 on item three where it said mixed use means and then it goes on to say um recreational uses such as golf courses, tennis courts, swimming pools um are not considered mixed use
and I I guess why are we adding that language in there? Why does that need to be clarified? So it says here mixed use means any use that combines multiple types of approved land uses from at least two of the residential uses commercial and industrial categories. The term does not include uses that are accessory ancillary incidental to
allowable uses or allowable allowed only as temporary basis. So it says recreational uses such as golf courses, tennis courts, swimming pools and club houses within an area designated for residential use are not um are not mixed use irrespective of how they so those are kind of you think of a
mixeduse development or like a multif family development. The clubhouse um can't be that's part of the residential component that's not part of that that counted towards a non-residential component. So they're trying the statute seems looks like it's
trying to clarify those scenarios. But >> to clarify, so that's saying, okay, let's say for instance there was there's going to be apartments that are being built and they are going to have tennis courts already for their residents. They can't count that as a mixeduse component. Is that what that's
>> that's what I'm reading here. But okay, again, when you when you add language like that in there, >> does that mean other recreational components are now >> and must be considered as mixed use. So there there's a lot of a lot of questions that we need to >> Yeah, that's where I'm trying to get clarification. Or even if like say your
tennis court was now open to the public, how can that how is that not mixed use? But a park with a bench is mixed use and so >> Okay. And so this is just advisability. >> Yes. just so allow us the the time to to explore this come back to you with a draft.
>> Yep. Good luck. That's all I can say. Sorry. >> Okay. >> While reading this, it just reminded me of the whole Bill Clinton thing. It depends on what you define is is because it seems like they're trying to change definitions of what things mean. Member MSOS,
>> could you um explain the PUD zoning and then the zoning inside? So, from what I'm understanding is PUB uh like that zoning um just because it has that doesn't mean that the zoning inside like the commercial and I'm thinking of like
LEDA because that's just the easiest one. It's a PUD but inside you also have commercial. So, that would be since it's already zone um PUD and then you have that commercial that commercial could be a live local project.
My understanding is that the legislature was coming back with amendments based on the reaction a lot of communities made and and local ordinances and regulations to address the live local the original live local law. And so one of them was PUD became a a plan unit development. You know a tailor made zoning district
for subdivision. A lot of communities explicitly called those out as not being included in the live local law. And so I think what this amendment is doing is trying to say no, those should be included. Um I'm a little confused
myself uh because PUDs aren't always just a single family subdivision. They do include other uses in there such as the Lita development was approved with a mixeduse component or a commercial component in there. So it it does
generate a lot of questions that we're going to have to resolve to make sure that our zoning code fits the the requirements of this new. So every jurisdiction is going to have >> Yeah. I think my concern is like if somebody's asking for a PUD, should we
be concerned with reszoning to that because of what this implies or if it only applies to if it's like the overlay is PUD but then you have the commercial and you know on that would it only apply to that >> potentially. Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other discussion? Any motion? Move to approve the advisability directing the staff to draft an ordinance
to propose an amendment to the city's lift local ordinance. >> Second. >> Have a motion. I have a second. Any further council discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. City manager.
Moving on to the next item is 12c. the administrative approval of plats and replplats and the recommended action is to approve the advisability directing the staff to draft an ordinance to amend the city's subdivision procedures to be
consistent with chapter 20- 2025-164 laws of Florida. >> Thank you very much, city clerk. >> Uh, yes. One card, Stan Johnston. Uh my name is Stan Johnston and you guys
may be going to court about this issue. Um not particularly just this uh adoption that that they're asking about, but the way that you're handling a plat right now, it's absolutely nonsense. is
that I can drive by the project SNJ Oaks and look at it and I can see that the survey is wrong. Not only that is Mr. Parish says it's wrong and the city went goes ahead and approves it and has received approved not only the
preliminary plat but they now received a a final plat for review. So what I'm saying from my standpoint as a professional engineer and a registered surveyor which my license is surveying is in an inactive status is you're ab
absolutely nuts don't know thing what you're doing but when I can drive by and see a survey that's wrong just by driving by looking out the windows and you guys don't even look at it none of you have gone to that
>> Mr. Johnson, we're talking about the conformity to our live local ordinance. Sorry, administrative approval of plats and repotss per the new state law. >> What we need to do, I don't think we have a choice, but when you're looking at it, when they look when the city's looking at it, think about the court
case. I gave the court case to uh to the city about yesterday or the day before. >> Thank you. >> Supreme Court. >> All right. Is there a motion or did we already make a motion? Member Nelson >> move to approve advisability directing the staff to draft an ordinance to amend
the city's subdivision procedures to be consistent with chapter 2025164. >> Second. >> I have a motion. I have a second. Any further council discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. >> All opposed. Motion carries. Thank you
very much. City manager. Yes, sir. Moving on to 12D, economic development and the former North Bard economic development zone. As you recall, back in May of this year, the Bvard County dissolved the North Boulevard economic
development zone. And this item is to request council consider several different options as to how we filled the gap created by the loss of the zone. And we have Mr. Nick G, economic development coordinator is here to provide a presentation on three
different options and also ask for council's guidance on how to proceed. >> Thank you very much. >> Mayor, vice mayor, council members. Good evening. Try and get through this uh pretty quick here for you. The the purpose of this one is really to kind of
give you a a big overview. Um we I will come back once we've kind of made a decision of what route we want to go down um on specific incentives uh or programs that we want to create to address the gaps that were created with the the zone being dissolved. But until
we know what type of organization um we won't really be able to narrow it down. So so kind of why we're here uh as we already know zone was dissolved. Uh so some of the things that that they
were able to do were unique um by you know giving grants using some of the TIFF funding um infrastructure and uh notable wins. I only put a couple in here. Uh it's obvious there's more than what's just
listed. Uh but you know big projects coming in here. they they were responsible for bringing in, you know, your Blue Origins, um, Lockheed, several other ones, but even also working with smaller businesses. They they had a wide array
of who it was that they would work with. Again, May 20th. Now, really, what we're looking to do is to kind of create our own path forward. The zone did a great job of creating that momentum. We want to make sure that we don't lose the momentum. Um,
especially as other markets are ramping up what they're offering. We want to make sure that we keep the competitive advantage that we do have. Some ideas of what we're proposing, what we'll get into is um, you know, target incentives, streamline permitting, invest in infrastructure, those kind of
things. So, we did receive a letter back from the county. Um this is where the the funds for the 500,000 came in. Uh this is after all of our current obligations are fulfilled. This is the remaining balance. Um and those are the funds that
we would be using or looking at using to uh stand up the new program. So after evaluating all the different options really kind of boil down to three different ones. First one is growing the city's economic development
department, keeping everything in-house, doing it here ourselves. The second option would be um doing a public EDO similar to the SEDC that we used to have here locally um prior to now I guess
it's over with the Space Coast EDC. Um some of you may be familiar with the SEDC, but uh that would be kind of the second option. And then the last one would be moving into a private EDO. Um this is things like um CDC, community
development corporations uh that are predominantly private funded. So internally staff funded city's general funds. Um the there are we we just use the funds
for seed money initially get things kind of going. I obviously we'd have to kind of look at what we would be doing in the long haul. Um we would manage grants loans. We could do revolving loans. Um some municipalities even offer things like uh forgivable loans uh for
businesses. Also work with the private sector um and doing some infrastructure. Some of the advantages on that also uh it is favorable when it when it comes to uh applying for grants makes the process a little easier. Um and then also we
could uh discuss having a commission to be able to provide advisability on um projects as well. Next route it's the public EDO. Um staff may be funded by the city's general fund county refund. We could use that as the
seed money to manage publicly land owned land for economic development purposes, manage grants, loans, revolving loans, um facilitate public private partnerships also for infrastructure. Um it it would include a governing board
members may be appointed by council and then council's final approval required on certain projects or programs. the EDO could use uh TIFF district for funding source. And lastly, we have our private EDO
staff funded by private EDOS such as member dues. Um so that would involve the private sector coming to the table paying dues um to help fund it. County refund could be used to establish a grant or a loan program and then the EDO would apply for that city grant or loan
program. Um they can manage privately owned land for economic development purposes which is a unique difference. Um on the public side it's public land not private. Um manage grants, loans, revolving loans also facilitate public
private partnerships for infrastructure. It would include a governing board but it would not be appointed by council. Uh they do get access to different funding sources such as new market tax credits. Uh, and then the EDIO may be a
notfor-profit or private investment organization such as a CDC or an SBIC, which is a small business investment corporation. So, kind of a breakdown on uh accountability. So, on the city side,
accountable completely to the city just as is right now. The public EDO partially accountable. And then as you move more on the private side, not accountable to the city. Now, there are ways that you can put stipulations into the agreements and the contracts that
can kind of um allow for some kind of level of accountability. Uh but it is on the private side. So, what I've done here, I've just kind of included some examples that I'll run through of each of these and what other
municipalities are kind of using. Um, some of the cities that I've selected were either in comparison to size of market or also focusing on a specific industry that is applicable to us here in Titusville. So, Hampton, Virginia was selected for
the fact that um they are also working in the space um aerospace and defense industries. They've done um a good job of you reusing the land over there with Langley um the research center and
they um specifically just do the city side to um public they offer tiff tax exempt bonds energy efficiency financing they own and develop industrial their own industrial properties through that
process similar to what was done with the zone. at Spaceport Commerce Park. Um they also administer revolving loans and business retention programs. Uh and then listed below here are a couple of the other projects that they were able to
capture um using this method. Huntsville is kind of a hybrid. It is a public private. So, it does involve the economic development um office for the city of Huntsville kind of handling all the local
incentives and and land use and permitting and all those side of things. And they also have um Madison County Chamber of Commerce partners uh are working on the business um recruitment and retention side. Again, there are a few of the projects
that they have recently won over in that area. And then we have Cincinnati. So I this one I put on because it's a good example of ACDC also. Brad has some experience. He worked with this organization while
he was there. Um and so they work with the state and the city and um a governing board of directors as we had discussed and using those new market funds and the equity funds they're able to go in and
purchase up um areas and get them primed and ready for development. I do have some supplemental stuff uh that I I can hand out to you that really kind of highlights some of the differences in different categories that I feel may be um relevant or easier to
kind of identify. I'm a tables person. I like looking at tables and seeing that kind of stuff in front of me so I can kind of understand the differences that way. Um so I'd be happy to provide that with you if you'd like also. And I'm also happy to answer any questions. I rudely did not introduce Ava. Also, Ava
has been working with me. If you haven't had a chance to meet her, um she's been working with me over the summer. She has also decided to stay beyond her time so that we could kind of see this project come before you because she's been working hard behind the scenes with me and
trying to gather all this and collect it and do the research and figure out what we can and can't do. So, I'm happy to answer any questions or anything you may have. >> Thank you, Nick. City Council Member Stokel. >> Yes. Um I think before I I make a
decision on this, I would like to see a presentation from the EDC to see what they are doing for the North End as a whole. Um yes. So I I and the reason I say this is we're looking at a little over $1 million potentially. And so for
me, before I make a decision on what we can do with I'm already thinking through my head, one, we could lower taxes. Two, we could start incrementally putting toward a parking garage or new city hall. Like there's a lot of things and we don't have to use it for economic development. So I need to make feel confident like should we do it? Should
we split? Half of it goes to economic development. Should we do something like the CRA does with the grants program? Like my mind is just spinning and I I feel like we I need to see I need to see EDC say something or do something or communicate
some type of something to us so I can make a more informed decision. I feel like we we we have some type of partnership with them already um where they're supposed to be representing the North End. And so I would like to have what what is that? What does that look like? What tools are
they using in their conversation specifically when it comes to the space industry? Um there's just some things that I'd like to have a better grasp on. I'd also like to know a little bit more about the environmental aspects of some of those cities are not very desirable
to live in like how so how much does like living in Florida where there's no state tax um being you know the quality of life issue does that weigh in to know and I'm thinking through this back when we used to wave impact fees when we were going through a hard time like we needed
to do that then once things were booming again and people are moving here people are paying in my opinion way too much for a house. I mean, it's just sky. It's crazy to me. And I'm like, okay, if everybody's moving here, I need to make a better decision of how much do we need to compete? Like, what does that look
like? What's a number that's realistic where and and my biggest thing that and I wrote this down is my biggest thing is if we're going to use taxpayer dollars, I need to feel confident that we will get a good return on our investment. And that and I just don't have enough
information to know that. I can also so a little bit of feedback since the decision on on May 20th right >> in that time I've been approached by six or seven different projects okay that have all been seeking economic development incentives for them to locate and and develop here
>> and I we don't have anything don't have anything >> some of them had already started negotiations with the zone >> but didn't get an application in before the the judgment was made and now they're coming and saying what what what can you do to help us get into your
community. Um, and some of them are 100 plus jobs. Yeah. >> Um, you know, good paying jobs. It's just we don't currently don't have anything to give to them. >> And we don't have any established criteria yet either. And that's kind of what I would look at is I don't want, you know, oh, we're just doing it just
because we have the program people or we're just giving it out. I want it to be, hey, if this is something we want to do and we're using taxpayer dollars, yes, this is this is worthwhile. Um, especially now that we're in this situation. Um, I think I think the zone was great because we were getting county, so it was definitely worth it,
but now that we're not getting that county match, um, I I want to make a well-informed decision. Um, yeah. So, I I probably need to do some more investigating as well. So, >> thank you, Member Stokl. And to help answer some of your questions, the 1.2
million TIF that we were rolling into the zone, as soon as the zone was dissolved, uh, immediately got gobbled up by our general fund. So, we don't really have 1.2 million sitting there. They use it to balance the books so that we didn't increase taxes too much in our residents. So, the refund we're getting,
which is a whole other issue, by the way, um is what was in our piggy bank there. We had about $3.2 million in the zone that was city tiff dollars that come back to us. However, the county is holding hostage 1.6 6 million that is owed to the Titusville um TD TRD project
which I object to because they're keeping it in an interestbearing account. I have no idea how long it's going to take Mr. Right. >> Exactly my point. I have no idea when Mr. Wright is going to get his next tiff. Why should wait for him to get his
neck tick requires a hotel with a co and it be operation for six months. Correct. >> That could be two years. >> Yeah. >> Three years. >> Like you know again so I have a big issue with that like we can administer it right here in house. I mean how hard is it to write two checks? Those are
literally our only outstanding debt in the zone. All right. So that that's one issue. Uh but in terms of the the the zone and our dollars understand over the 12 years that this zone was in effect $24.1 million of grants were given out
in that 12-year period. In that time, we received a capital investment of over $1.5 billion dollar, >> which ultimately helps lower taxes because that capital investment into commercial and industrial space is what keeps the books balanced for the rest of
us because single family homes do not pay the bills. We need these commercial investments into higher property taxes, our commercial industrial state. And while we were not the sole provider of funds to the zone, about 3.5 million came from county tiff, 1.2 from us, uh
all the projects in the zone, we're also not in Titusville, right? So with a narrow margin of focus, maybe we don't need the 4ome million every year. We can really hone in and focus on the areas that are a prime for
redevelopment that are generating no tax dollars right now and get them ready to rock and roll. so that they can be contributing members to our community and taking the burden off the rest of us. So, uh that sorry big soap box this whole them keeping our money in and
interestbearing account just drove me insane. >> Nick and I was say I mean that's when you look at areas that are prime to be able to to focus on redevelopment. Um, and this really kind of is putting the cart before the horse because when we come back and we have some of the ideas once we have an understanding of what
type of organization we're looking at um you know looking at creating um tip districts that you know can be moved around as areas um be become developed um that you know these are tools that we can put into our our pocket to be able
to do that. >> Thank you Nick. Sorry, Jolen. I know I jumped in front of you, but I have a question for the attorney. Mr. Stokes, are you with me? All right. So, when the zone ended, did we lose our tiff starting point?
>> So, tax incremental front is when this was established in 2011, property taxes were here. And the more it goes up, that's what generates the tip and that's what goes into our coffers. Well, now that it's gone, are we starting up here? >> It's an interesting legal question. My
my gut tells me that we did. Um, but I would have to research it. I can research it and I'll send something out with that with that quick answer just so that you all have it. >> Um, >> I appreciate, but I I'm I'm thinking we probably did >> and and no, god forbid some something happens, which the es and flows of the
economy, they're they're cyclical. You're going to have up years and have down years. And if you look at the history of Titusville, space goes up, space goes down, and it's happened multiple times through our history. And while right now things seem to be going good, what about in 1015 years? So economic development is something like
working out that you got to do it every single day if you are going to be healthy. I do not, which is probably why I'm not healthy. But economic development, I think, is very, very important that we continue to do it every single day. Member Nelson, >> I don't know where to go after that. I
know I can mic drop. >> You could. >> So, originally we had a SE uh DC here. >> Correct. >> How was that working out? >> The SEDC is
gone. >> Yeah, it's gone. >> But was it working? How well was it working? >> The the SEDC was working. Um, so this was based over uh at the old over at the old chamber office, >> right? uh at one point uh I think it was
Linda Weatherman and uh Matt Chestnut >> were overseeing that program over there. Uh it was I have the bylaws um as well as several documents I can send on the projects and things that came from that. If you'd like I can send that over to you as well. >> So my thought is if that was working
well then maybe we need to revive that. >> So then that was one of the alternatives >> that that we're looking to do. And I think this time when we're looking at develop economic development maybe look
at infrastructure because you know like Tai Landing was great for us because of the infrastructure and the Searstown Mall again great for us because we're looking at the infrastructure
>> having been around when SEDC was actually in operation it it was formed armed because the EDC was not uh dedicating enough resources and time and and funding to North Boulevard. So the city decided to go out on its own and
basically make a smaller version of the SCD of EDC called the SEDC and we had Walt Johnson former mayor was laid on and Matt Chestnut and some other folks and they were pretty effective but um the appetite got bigger to do bigger
projects which is why the Northard economic development zone and they wanted to expand it beyond the city limits. So then when the, you know, North Boulevard economic zone came into fruition, we just disbanded the SADC and they they were located at the chamber building and they were effective, but
they weren't getting the big fish that we wanted the the zone to get. >> Okay. So maybe go back to that. >> Thank you, Member Nelson. So the big reason why the EDC loved our North Broad economic development zone is because it
actually had teeth to provide actual incentives that the EDC does not have. So if we want them to do a lot of recruiting for us, we put an incentive program in place and they'll find companies to come to Titusville >> because we'll have a structure and a process and things like that. So if we
want to get our fair share, we need to create the opportunities for those things to exist. Member Stokl. >> Yeah. Was the um fund was the funding for the SEDC just us the city of Tyville or were there other other funding sources?
>> Do you remember? >> I believe it was just from the city. Okay. I'd have to verify that. I I don't recall the county really getting too much involved. Okay. >> Like they actually wanted the SEC to go away and EDC just to cover it. But we
insisted on maintaining our own control. We actually appointed council appointed their own board advisory board to the SEDC. >> Okay, >> I could be off here, but I'm fairly certain that I saw that they also collected member dues. >> Member. Okay. And it's f so I don't know
if you remember this member Nelson when we first got on council. I was going to be the liazison for that and I was like, "Oh, this is going to be great." And then like there was no meetings and then it was like disb I was like, "Okay." So I did nothing for that. So I I it was getting disbanded right when I was getting on. Um, and so maybe that's part
of it. Um, for me, I'd like to see if invite EDC to do a presentation for us, look at the history of the SEDC, what that maybe what kind how much money did we put in there? Um, could there be a potential partnership with EDC with what
they're doing with other cities? If they can't help with finances, can they give us guidance and advice on things that we can do incentive wise to help recruit to your point, Mayor? um in partnership with them. Look at that history. Um
and then I'm trying to I don't know. I just I want to make sure I'm making a well-informed decision on what what we're doing and just to know a little bit about the climate. I think that's where the EDC presentation would come into play. And I I want to know what they're doing for I mean they can give a presentation on the whole county. I I
just want to know what they're doing. And I for us as a council, like I've said in other presentations, but specifically to Titusville City Council, I think it would be beneficial to help us make a better decision. >> Absolutely. And I think member Nelson is
uh the liaison for that. >> And I have a meeting with Linda tomorrow. >> So uh I don't know. >> Yeah, we'll see what she says. >> So um >> that' be sweet. I've also met with Linda
and a lot of other folks regarding this topic because uh I believe economic development is our 401k money. I believe the more we make smart investments into our future, it's going to pay dividends in the long term 20, 15, you know, 30 years down the road and unfortunately
some of our operational costs do not appreciate. They depreciate. So, uh I would be more in line with the public private partnership for economic development. And the reason for that is because while we'll have an initial upfront cost to get said organization
going, then you can have the private sector take over. Uh if you go around town and talk to any nonprofit, do the space companies donate? >> The answer is no. >> No. >> Right. Exactly.
But where I do believe we will get them is by partnering together with them to tackle the three things that the zone was initially designed to tackle. Job creation, >> workforce development, and infrastructure. That is where we're going to get their
investment into our community is by talking about workforce development. That is the only way because they want to know what is in it for them. And again to talk about the numbers that I mentioned, $24 million targeted grants, $ 1.5 billion dollar in capital
investment return. Those numbers were calculated when Blue Origin only had 300 jobs, not 2500 in a huge campus. But again, that being said, we're only focusing on Titusville. So we'll be able to be more nimble and more focused. Uh
they did this in Witchah, Kansas 10 years ago. They started with a name, a dream, and a vision. Now this year they have a $4 million operating budget. It's 80% privately funded, 20% publicly funded. So if to member Msosa or sorry member Stokal's point, if you don't want
a huge, you know, expense for our taxpayers, we invest get the private sector on board and we decrease our level investment. >> All right, but we kind of foster the reigns and get it going, right? Um, so that's the way a public private
partnership in terms of community development corporation would move. I was actually speaking with Troy Post about this because when I first heard about the Greater Witch Doll Partnership, I was like, "What is this?" And he's like, "Oh, yeah. It's this thing. It can do way more than the zone can do because they can own and lease
property." So you imagine the the funding that you can generate if you uh buy a rundown piece of property, you get it pad ready, you redevelop it, and then you lease it out or you then sell it at that higher value, it generates its own revenue, which is something that
government cannot do. So there's a lot of advantages to that. And if you've noticed anything about the dissolvement of the zone, we need to get politics out of economic development. >> Yep. And the only way to do that is a
community development corporation. Whether it's run by the chamber or different standup entity that we help get going does not matter. If we want long-term substantial change, that is the way we need to move forward. Vice Mayor Cole, >> I just think that if we want to be
competitive market when we have the increased jobs that are coming from Kennedy Space Center and increased companies that are coming in, if we want to be competitive, we're going to have to do something. We
probably need to look at the SEDC model that we had before, kind of use it as a straw man to develop from. And it sounds like everybody up here is in agreement on that because we'll lose our competitive edge if we do not continue
doing something. It scared me when I looked at, you know, we gave Salestown Mall what $2.1 million. And I'm like, how can we generate that kind of income to give somebody that's doing the size project that he's doing? And we sure
can't generate it from our own budget because we know what our budget looks like, >> right? >> But we need that public private organization, but we need to look at all aspects of it. And you know, I don't think I think we need to do it as quickly as we can because we may lose,
you know, if we wait say six months to make a decision, we may lose some e economic development that we need to bring into the city to help bolster us and to help keep taxes low. My two cents.
>> Thank you, Vice Mayor Cole. Member Stoke. >> Yes. So, okay. So, from what I'm hearing, I think our next step would be if one we could get an invitation to EDC, and I know member Nelson's going to speak to uh EDC just so we can get an overview of what they're doing and look
at the history of SEDC, maybe the cost, what we did in the past, and then also maybe what the cost would be uh if we would do a partnership uh either with the chamber or someone else, what does that cost look like? I'm not as familiar with that model. I haven't seen it. I'm
very much open to it. Um if if there's another group, I'm very much open to partnership. So if there's somebody else that can do it better than we can, um I I'm would like to see that. So that's kind of where I'm leaning. I would like to see a history on SEDDC, the cost
associated with that, what EDC is doing exactly, and then what would it look like if we were to do this partnership with a private entity and what the cost would be associated with that. >> Thank you, Member. So, member Nelson, >> uh, Sarah, I don't think they're
interested in talking to us. >> Um, >> yeah. So, my thought was what I really need to do is just go down and talk to them. >> And bring the information back.
>> Sorry. >> Yeah. I believe we've already extended an invitation once already, uh, beginning of the year. Yeah. So, it just is what it is. Another uh example of why we need to focus here in
Titusville and and work on shuring up our community for our residents. So, um >> yeah, remember all right. So, that being said, do you have a very clear direction based on our
conversation or do we need to clarify? >> I'm not against clarification. >> Okay. So, I think council would like to see more information on what the SEDC did. So let's start with uh how it was
formed in brief synopsis. How long it lasted? What grants did they give out? How do they generate money? Was it paid for by the city? What was the private investors look like? You know, what was their rate of return over the years that they were around? So if they operate for five years and they created five jobs,
that's kind of an important thing to know. Um and then look at um another example of a public private partnership like community development corporation and provide some more detailed examples of that. >> Yeah.
>> And and one thing I will say is that um several of the the board members for the zone have expressed interest in um continuing to provide service for the city if we do stand up a new board. Um, obviously council would appoint who they
would want to appoint into those positions, but I think that that's kind of one of the biggest differences between um the success of the SEDC and the success of the zone. >> Thank you, Nick. And I think the big success is the buyin from the private
partners because, you know, if we set up our own like committee, let's just call it, I don't know, the planning and zoning committee, but for economic development, then we're funding that whole thing. we're not getting any private buy in, you know, in terms of funding and then it all does fall on us.
Vice Mayor Cole, >> should we think about, and I'm asking a question, should we think about standing up the members that were on the zone to assist us with this if they're willing to volunteer their time to do it? with
the experience that they have having been in the zone, should do you think we should look at bringing them on board to assist us in trying to put together something? >> I mean, I don't think it can hurt.
>> So, >> they've um they've expressed their willingness to do that. Yeah. Um I've had several conversations with several of them. So, >> so maybe my recommendation, council, catch me if I'm off base, but maybe at a special presentations meeting, you
know, they can be here with you presenting various different, you know, strategies and options and then, you know, we can have that little more open dialogue because unfortunately some of our meetings, you know, when it gets to 10:00, you know, we it's tough to go through right and this is very very
important. I want to make sure we get it right. So, if we allowed for a special presentations meeting to uh hopefully give give you enough time to prepare all the information for us that we just kind of clarified and then hopefully uh you can get with some of those members and
you can bounce ideas. They can be here. We can kind of have that more open discussion about what they think might be successful or you know also what those organizations are doing. uh and you know whether it's a community development corporation or um you know
those completely public uh EDOS what they look like and just kind of weigh the pros and cons. Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yeah, I think this is important enough that maybe we may not want to do it on a council day. Maybe we want to hold a special meeting, open meeting obviously,
but because of the length of time it would take for the presentations and for the decisions we make and we'll stop looking at the clock wondering what time it is. I I think maybe if we did this on as a separate meeting.
>> Okay. So, you just suggested an extra meeting and I heard Jolyn say, "Yep." So that must mean it's serious because she don't don't agree that very often. >> But I I agree with Herman. This is important. We need to take our time with
it. We need to do it right and we need to get input from a lot of different people. >> All right. So who is for city manager or city attorney? Um, I also intended to reach out to Troy Post and pick his brain as far as I think he's been very successful running
the zone and and certainly I would want to tap into his expertise. Also, I think I need a decision point as far as the the check that we have uh burning a hole in our pocket for $500,000. Um, do we want to the council want to go
ahead and and earmark that for economic development? I can put it into a a holding account while we decide how to proceed rather than absorb it into the general budget. >> Interest bearing, please. >> 10%.
>> Um, Mr. Mayor, do you think it would help if you sent a letter to the county commission and requested that 1.5 so we can get the interest off it? Do you think that that would work? Well, and we can vote on it and agree like
>> if you guys would uh agree for me to send a letter because trust me, I've been dying to send this letter. >> I Yes, I would be in favor of that as well. >> You you can ask Mr. Abate about the time I ran into his office and go, you got to be kidding me. >> I'll make a motion right now. I'd second
>> that uh we authorize our mayor to send a me a me a letter to the county commission >> requesting the 1.5 funds that they are holding that we're eventually going to give out to uh Sarastown Mall contractor
>> but we need to be getting that interest on that. So that's my motion. >> Second. >> All right. I have a motion and I have a second. >> Cards. Well, I gotta ask, does this procedural nature of me sending a letter, Mr. Stokes, or do I got a
>> This is a procedural administrative function. Yes. >> All right. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Mr. Johnson, I just clarified with the city attorney. Us sending a letter to the county is procedural in nature, not requiring a vote, just like the minutes.
But thank you. All right. So, we got that motion knocked out. member Nelson, >> I wanted to know. >> Oh, do we need >> Hold on. We We So, this item is kind of loosey. Nobody knew what was going to go on, right? So, just bear with us, Mr. Johnson. Once we get to a vote, I'll
call you up. >> Member Nelson, >> I think it's a vote. Do we don't need a >> Well, so are we asking it to be uh added to a special presentations or would you like me to call a special meeting and pivot with
>> the item probably would warrant a workshop once we get enough information on all the various you know options and we could flesh it out you know >> so I I don't want to like you know say hey we're doing a special meeting or workshop this day because we need to give Nick time to do that. Um, so once
Nick tells me he's good, uh, I'll ask city manager to get with everybody to make sure the calendars are free and it was, um, 10 days, two weeks. How, how much notice do you guys need approximately just so I can make sure that, uh, everybody can attend? >> A week.
>> All right. So, you good with a week? >> Yeah, that should be fine. >> All right. Assuming there's no conflicts. uh in again. So once Nick has that ironed out, >> when you say a week, >> are you talking about by the first because I'm gone until the >> No, no, no, no, no. Everything first and
then >> I would anticipate it being after we pass the budget like November. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So it could be, you know, tomorrow, it could be six months from now. >> Should be should be sooner. And uh once uh Nick has it ironed out, I'll be
working with Tom to make sure we get that meeting scheduled and communicated. City attorney >> uh no and I'll work with Nick on on this component of it, but just to give you a little glimpse of of hope from what I said earlier, our baseline was set by a city ordinance
um back in 2011. The baseline is based upon October 1st, 2011. That ordinance has never been repealed. So, I'm thinking that if we structure something new that we might still be able to use that because that's still a valid ordinance, but I will dig into it more
and and work with staff and and make that part of the presentation when it comes back. >> Gotcha. Thank you very much, city attorney council. Any other questions? >> All right, you got your marching orders. Thank you very much. Appreciate you guys. I know it was that's actually
early. What are you talking about? >> Go home. I can't believe he made his intern stay out this late. >> Yeah, thank you guys. All right, city manager. >> Moving on to item 12E, and that's
certified recovery residences. And this is another state preeemption of home rule. And the recommended action is to approve the advisability directing staff to draft an ordinance to amend the city's zoning regulations to be consistent with chapter 28- 2025-X
laws of Florida. And Brad is here to answer any questions. >> Say cler, are there any cards? >> Uh, yes, sir. One card. Stan Johnston. >> Thank you. Mr. Parish, do you have anything you want to add to this? >> This is a brand new law became effective
July 1st. It requires us to adopt an ordinance >> God bless you >> by January of 2026 that specifically identifies this use in our zoning code and then we have to come up with some standards uh which are generally
outlined in the the the law but nothing very specific. So it will be um a challenge trying to address this one but we do need your direction to go forward. Anybody want to give this guy permission to go do some more research?
>> Approve advisability directing Brad to draft an ordinance to amend the city zoning regulations to be consistent with chapter 2025 tax laws of Florida.
>> Second. >> I have a motion and I have a second. I already called the cards. Any further council discussion? All in favor say I. I >> all opposed. Motion carries. Thank you very much. All right. Petitions and
requests from the public. Present non-aggenda items. Anybody? I mean, it's basically only you. You are you. But thank you guys very much. Um, on to mayor and council reports. Remember Nelson, did you
>> Oh, want to jump in? Okay. >> Well, I can jump in. >> Yeah, you go first. >> I can jump in. Um, I had a thought the other day which is always dangerous. K St. AJ has plan planted 217
trees in Titusville. She's already making plans to plant another 60. And I would like to see us consider doing maybe a proclamation for her. Uh
we call it tree lady. K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K Apple Seed. Um that's that's a lot of work. Has cost us nothing. She wants to plant trees on the peninsula at Sandp Point Park. Uh she's
hoping we'll plant stable ponds on one side. She wants to plant oaks on the other. And then she wants to move to the dog park and plant more trees. So I I would like to see us do something for
By the way, she doesn't have any idea that I'm asking this. >> Uh it's public meeting. >> I know. >> Now she knows. >> Yeah. So uh member Nelson, what I would ask is uh just shoot me an email with the information so I can get that
together. Uh, the only thing that would need council approval is if it was presented at a council meeting. >> Okay. >> I think it should. >> I think so, too. >> So, I move to
>> Well, we got to have the proclamation. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Anything else? >> All righty. Vice Mayor Cole, you're up. Your lights's on. >> Okay. I had a couple of things that I've been involved in. I I was on a panel at
East Florida talking to young entrepreneurs on this past Thursday and it was really good. We had about the chamber sponsored it. There were about 30 young entrepreneurs who had started businesses and and they had uh Robin
Fisher, Stan Rats, and myself. and they had a very old panel to talk to a lot of young guys, but they were very receptive to what we had to say. Today, I had an opportunity to go to the uh police hall of fame. The they were giving an award
to Representative Tyler Soy. Uh he was able to get them $2.1 million for their projects. He had to do it in various increments, but the total was 2.1. And they did in the presentation afterwards,
they thanked us, the city of Titusville, for the $50,000 that we gave them. So, uh, it was it was very good. Uh, uh, Chief Laauo was there and, uh, so it was a, it was a good outing. and and Tyler
is going to run for county commission now because he's termed out as far as state representatives. >> Anybody else want to go? >> All right. >> So Sarah, you're you're nothing. >> Moso. All right. I have a couple things, guys.
Um I'm sorry. Sorry, I was just making notes because as he was talking about the American Police Hall of Fame, he got me thinking about the tourism development council and I forgot to bring this up. At the last tourism development council, uh, we approved marketing funds to be spent and I was
very excited that there was three in North Bard that are actually getting funds from the TDC. The Merit Island uh um refuge, uh, the Titusville Playhouse, and the Valiant Air Command Warird Museum. So all those have generated
enough hotel bed stays that they actually got some money. Um there we're also reworking um this the sports uh portion of those grants. Uh and hopefully we can get it to where some of those actually happen in Titusville because there's actually no sports
grants handed out in Northard whatsoever. We just don't have the facilities. So maybe someday. Um but that was exciting. Um, also I had a request uh for approval to present a proclamation for National Suicide Month
at the August 26 council presentation meeting. Is anybody opposed to that? >> All right. Can I have a motion? >> So moved. >> Second. >> All right. All those in favor say I.
>> Any opposed? Motion carries. The group wanted it done at a council meeting. We don't do many of them at council meeting, so you know, it's not getting out of hand. Um, sorry, city council presentation meeting, not a city council meeting. Also, um, it doesn't look like it made it in my report, but
I'm working with the city uh, manager and Kevin Cook. Uh, a company came to me and said, "Hey, we have this contract with you to maintain or to install and maintain uh, your bus benches. We've had this contract since 1993. It
automatically renews like every 12 years. Yeah, I know, right? I know. Pretty wild. So, okay. Looked it up. Okay, there's a contract here. Um, and what they want to do is replace our old bus benches and put new ones in that are
uh going to last longer and they won't have to maintain as much. And they're like, "What kind of benches do you want?" I'm like, "That's not my wheelhouse. That needs to come before counsel, guys." Um, but what they also want to do is some of our buses that uh have benches that are not ADA compliant,
they want to help us get that up to date. And what was interesting is they showed me a Florida statute uh that basically says when it comes to bus benches, doesn't matter if it's the state right away or not, we do have some authority over that, which I thought was
interesting. So, um, we're kind of working together through some things to try to hopefully bring that back before you because at the end of the day, I do not want to decide what color benches or what style. Like, that's just not my thing. But if the benches do need, you know, an updating, a facelifting,
that we can't go wrong there because they're paying for the benches anyway. They just sell ad space to, you know, to recover their funds. But um they also have some rules on what kind of ads they'll allow and not allow and that if we want to look at updating our contract with them, we can have that conversation
of if there's a particular ads like they don't do alcohol or cigarettes or anything like that. But Herman's face of course >> you you have to pay extra for that. >> Um so just just so you guys know like we'll be bringing that back before you
because you know I don't really know exactly where it's at right now but we arct. >> So, you're an expert on bus benches. And speaking of architect, I'm going to ask council to um get
involved and ask our planning department to bring on a landscape architect for the purposes of developing a plan for our medians and our our major arteries
for tree planting. as well along um our entryways. Uh I've been having conversations with the Florida Department of Transportation and you know they may have some funds available uh in the next couple cycles ahead, but I've also had conversations with
business owners here locally that believe we need to take pride in uh where we live and beautify it and are also willing to help maybe fund such an initiative. But the whole key lynch pin hangs on. We need a landscape architect to design what that could look like. And
as I've had this kind of in my mind for like the last two weeks now, I've literally been driving around in traffic looking at the trees and medians. And it's kind of a hodgepodge. It doesn't make any sense. You know, there's a a tall bush here, something that kind of looks like a tree, but it's just a
taller bush uh there. And then there's some without and some with. and and I think we just need to look at like having a universal vision plan for uh the streetscape that is our major arteries. So that is something that I was going to ask but member Mugos.
>> Yeah. No, I would I would agree like we have great myrtles that are never cut back and there's just a lot of issues. Would that be an additional hire or would that be an a consultant? >> It' be a one-time consultant. >> A one time consultant. Okay. >> Yeah. I spoke with the public works
director and he has a listing of landscape architects that he's worked with and he's ready to, you know, give out a task order once we identify some funding and and develop a scope of of services and if it's endorsed by by council, we're ready to go on it.
>> Yeah. So, the landscape architect would would be on us, right? we'd have to come up with the plan, but once we came up with the plan, then we can identify other funding sources through, you know, maybe it's FDOT or the TPO or private businesses. Um, so, um,
>> do we need a motion? >> I believe you would need a motion for that. I'll make a motion that we look into hiring a landscape consultant to look at the our landscaping throughout the city specifically
>> entryways and our major right of ways. >> Yes. Right. Right. Uh-huh. >> Rightways, medians, and entry. >> And it shouldn't make a difference whether it's a state road or a city road because like highway 50 is a city is a state road, but we still kind of maintain the medians and stuff
ourselves. So that's my motion. >> Second. >> I have a motion. I have a second. Mr. Johnson, >> this is not an item. And this is something I brought up in my report about hiring a landscape architect to u design a plan for our tree plantings and
medians. >> Yeah. And I'm calling on you >> Stan Johnson. I would think that we already have one here. I would think in our who who who let's say serves as something like that on our staff. Maybe I'm wrong.
>> I'll ask the question. >> We have somebody. >> Thank you very much. >> Brad, do we have a landscape architect? >> No. >> Okay. Thank you, Morso. >> Yeah. I I think this is a great idea. I would say it would be nice to know how
much it would cost obviously. I do know on our TEC uh one of our members I believe he is a landscape um so we could utilize that as well. I I know that we want to move the project forward and that could uh slow it down but that is an option. Um, and then I would love to
just make sure that we have a maintenance plan moving forward and because we've done a lot of great landscaping um, you know, I mean a maintenance plan, I'm sorry, a lot of great land uh, landscaping um, on like 50 and 95 and I think that the idea is
great, but I can see it going downhill if we're not maintaining. >> Thank you, member MSOS. I I think you know that actually idea did come up because I'm very frugal and I was like I know a landscape architect. He met with me. I was like, I'm gonna pull him out of retirement. But, you know, I think,
you know, you have areas of, you know, errors and omissions insurance, you know, those type of things that that can come with design or consulting work. So, um probably be best to to do it um by the book. Uh but any other discussion?
All right. All those in favor say I. I. >> All opposed. Motion carries. Thank you very much. And that is all actually all I had for my report, but I appreciate you guys indulging me as I meet with people each and every day. Uh the ideas just keep running and uh we're we're moving forward. So that being said, city
manager >> uh Mayor Connor. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Excuse me, city manager. Um if with your permission, I just need to verify if the proclamations that were authorized is that ministerial doesn't require the >> you are correct. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> And uh there was only one proclamation authorized and that was for National Suicide Month. Uh the other one uh Jolyn's gonna get with me and we're gonna work on that and then it can be brought back before council at that point. City manager. >> Yes sir. Uh on the city manager report
we already discussed the national service dog uh month proclamation and the other two items are are justformational including the third quarter strategic plan accomplishments by staff for your review. Then I have nothing else.
>> They already accomplished the third quarter goals. Third quarter strategic plan accomplishments >> is included as an attachment to the agenda packet. >> Well, aren't we in quarter three?
>> Uh, >> sorry. I'm not used to government quarters. So, you count your everybody else's fourth quarter is our first quarter. Is that how you're doing that? >> Yeah. September. >> Gotcha.
All right. Maybe that maybe that was a stupid question, but I'm like everybody else, this is the third quarter. That's why I was confused when he said that. All right. Anything by >> No, sir. >> The city attorney. All right. I know we've given Mr. Stokes ample amount of
work to do for the foreseeable future. Uh and again my recommendation and what I shared with the city manager is we've basically been operating with a quarter of the legal staff that we normally do. And even though once Mr. Mckenry comes on board, uh I feel it is appropriate to
continue uh Mr. Stokes's services for as long as it takes for him to get caught up and acclimated, which could be some time. Uh so uh I asked Mr. Stokes. I'm like, please keep please stay for at least a little while, you know, as long as you be willing to stick around
because I know Brad has a backlog of research in terms of local rules and ordinances that need to be drafted and updated and and I think every time we sit up here, usually there's a request for advisability of our legal staff to do something. So, I think, you know, it
would be practical for him to stay on at least to the end of the year. But that's just my No, I'm just letting you guys know and you can, you know, let you know, you guys know what your feelings are. Remember Nelson? >> Um, I forgot to mention this.
Talking about Jim made me think about it. You know how we had the reception for our potential city managers? Um, it would be really nice to have that kind of
reception for our attorney when he comes in. He doesn't really know our town, doesn't know our people. Um, and it would give a chance for people to come in and visit with him, get to know him,
ask him questions. Staff could come in and talk to him. I think it'd be just really nice, welcoming to do something like that. And the staff did such a beautiful job.
>> I mean, that was gorgeous. >> I think Christina's gonna be upset with you, but >> and hopefully Christina won't be upset. So, I mean, what do you guys think? >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm okay with the reception
and the welcoming. I I think just because he's moving here to make him feel welcomed. I don't want and I I'm okay if we invite citizens, but I don't want the emphasis to be on citizens asking him questions and things because it is a different role than city manager. City manager deals with the public a lot. The attorney really is for
us as council and does a lot of backend work. So, I don't I just don't want to >> have that perception going out there and he's just coming here and now he's getting bombarded with these questions. I want this to be a welcome reception for him. So I I just want that to be clear.
>> Recommend recommendation then would be to maybe host it not in council chambers. >> Um maybe at like the chamber building >> and also during the workday. That way all staff from the city can come in >> as well as opening up to the public for those who would wish to rather than having an evening event where you
wouldn't see much staff show up. >> All right. So I think yeah, we're all all in agreement with that. Mayor Moso. >> Yeah. Sorry, just a quick question. Is there uh do you have a date for um hiring an assistant city manager? >> That's on us.
>> Huh? >> Is that us? >> Yes. >> But you No, no, no. That's not us. That's the city. >> Just talking about the attorney. So that's city attorney is scheduled to be here on the 25th of August. >> Assistant city attorney. >> No, the city attorney.
>> Yeah. and he my recommendation I think he's going to probably take a look at you know recommending a candidate for his assistant to council probably pretty short order he's probably going to want to get his assistant on board as far as the assistant city manager I haven't
even started to you know look but I probably will right after the budget is passed I'll spend some time in October and and get a good hire on board for assistant city manager but I just want to get through the budget >> yeah I I think uh part of the thing was also you didn't you didn't have a signed
agreement yet to be the city manager. Right. >> Yeah. >> Right. One thing at a time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. Member Stokele. >> Yeah. Ju just to reiterate with that. So we do not hire the assistant city manager, but I will say um I would like you to take as much time as you need as
you're figuring things out in your new role. So whatever time frame you need, I support 100% so you can make a the best. probably will looking in earnest in October. >> Yeah, that that's perfectly fine. When it comes to the assistant city attorney,
that is who we hire. Um I I'm kind of a little bit on the fence um with him coming right in and just just hiring one right right away. I could see why he would want to do that, especially being new to the area and wanting some additional help. The other side is I I would like somebody to come in and kind
of see what's going on before committing to that decision if that's really what's best or would that money be best utilized to hire out specific um attorneys that specialize in certain areas? Um and I've seen and the reason I bring that up, there's several cities
that do that. Um and I'm more so concerned about the cost. What does that look like? And again, I want to support who we hired as city attorney to what he wants, but that would be kind of I' I'd like to let him kind of figure things out before just being like, "Oh, this is just the model
we've had. We have to stick to it. We don't have to stick to it." And I want to be supportive of what might work best for our um city. >> Thank you, member Stokal. And I think that was a big topic conversation during the interview if I remember correctly. You know, making sure that we're handling more things in house and out of
house. And again, that was my just voicing to you guys because we don't get to talk outside of here that I'm a big fan of Jim sticking around as long as we possibly need to make sure that transition is ease. So to your point, we're not rushed into hiring somebody as
the assistant city attorney. And uh that's what again I apologize miscos. So, I got confused because I was talking about city attorney, then all of a sudden people were talking about city manager and you know, it's a it's a blur at this point tonight, but um I I want to make sure that we have that
transition sound. So, uh like I told you yesterday, Mr. Stokes, as much time as you're willing to give us, I'm in support of uh because I think we've all enjoyed working with you uh thus far and uh we really appreciate uh your help and and our time and need. So, uh, I know
you're kind of been burning at both ends, but you know, just again, uh, through as long as we can through that transition because it's going to take a good several several months to get up to speed, at least six. So, um, >> sorry, this is my last comment on it. um most specifically a land use attorney if
I'm being quite frank, especially with what Brad's already presented with the legislation coming down, live local. There's a lot that's coming and I whoever we hire, they need to be kind of wellversed in a lot of different areas, but I'm looking specifically for someone that can really hone in on the land use.
And I don't think that would be somebody we hire to keep in house. That's going to be somebody we would hire out specifically for that. And I want to make sure we have funds for that. That's one of my most important things. Um, I'm looking for >> well, as the budget hearing comes up, look at increasing those professional
services and the legal department. But, uh, you know, to Tom's point, thank you for saving us money. Every day you don't hire an assistant city manager. So, yeah. Yeah, take your time. I'm good with it. Anything else for the good of the order? Seeing nothing, I'll
entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. We're >> journed. Thank you.