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regulation. Good evening everyone. I'm going to call the city of Titusville City Council regular meeting October 14, 2025 at 6:30 to order. Before we begin, I'd like to invite Pastor Paul from Calvary Chapel
Titusville to give the invocation. It's just my honor to be able to pray over this meeting. uh reminded in uh the letter of James, the epistle of James 1:5 says this, "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God who gives to all
liberally and out of reproach and it will be given to them." And so, Lord, I now pray over this meeting. Lord, I pray wisdom to the council. I pray peace in everyone's heart as we discuss and
comment. But most importantly, Lord, we ask for your divine justice and your divine wisdom over this meeting. May your blessing fall on this time, your spirit be abundant, and your strength be outstanding in our decisions and our
discussions. In Jesus name I pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you very much, pastor. If you would please stand for the pledge of allegiance. to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much. Can I have a motion to approve the minutes? Move to approve the minutes of August 12th, August 26th, September 9th, and the special meetings
on September 18th, and September 22nd. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion from council? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Uh, thank you very much, council. And
before we get too into the meeting, while everybody's here, I just want to take a moment to publicly thank Attorney Jim Stokes. Uh it's been just an honor and a privilege to work with you. Uh
your knowledge has been um very much appreciated over these last few months and uh we're we're definitely going to miss you. No offense to Miss Treasure, but we're we're definitely uh gonna miss you. And so I I just again from the bottom of my heart um really appreciate
it. Anybody from council have anything to to add? Member Stokal, I'll keep this quick. Um he's still the attorney for Space Coast League of Cities, so you will not be far from uh Reach. Vice Mayor Cole, just thank you, Jim.
Member Nelson. All right. Again, thank you very much, city. Well, it's been an honor. I'm glad I could help out. uh through this time. So, absolutely. Thank you very much. I've got his number on speed dial. Yeah,
city manager. Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and city council. We have no uh special recognitions and presentations. So, move on to boards and commissions. 6A is boards of adjustments and appeals.
And the recommended action is to appoint one alternate member, public at large, to the board of adjustments and appeals for an unexpired term to expire on July 31st, 2027. There's currently one application on file for consideration.
Mr. Nathan Rothell, public at large, has expressed a willingness and a desire to serve on the board as an alternate member with a term to expire on July 31st, 2027. Thank you, city manager. City clerk, are there any cards on this item? Yes.
Thank you very much. Member Nelson, there is one. Stan Johnson. Do you want to take that first? Yep. Mr. Johnson. Okay. Yeah, we're appointing. Oh, okay.
Member Nelson. Um, M Mr. Rothel appeared last meeting. I don't know him as Nathan. He is my neighbor. I know him as Emory. Uh he actually came
to me probably four or five months ago. He's retired. He was like, "I'm really interested in the city." And so I said, "Okay, here's an application." And like I said, he filled it out, Nathan. So he's not here tonight. He was
here last week. Um I'm fine with that. Um, he seems to be a great guy. He's always helping around the condos. So, that would be my motion to appoint him. Second. I have a motion by member Nelson, second
by member Stokal. And, uh, just point of information, the city clerk did notify um, me before the meeting that he did intend to be here and unfortunately something came up, but was planning on coming. So, um, you know, I think we had heard his heart um, at the last meeting.
So, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much, city manager. Moving on to item 6B back in September 10th meeting. Uh member Browning made a motion to the
committee to submit a one-page document outlining a vision of having a full-time urban forestry management uh planner and as well as recommendations for usage of the urban landscape uh landscape
management trust fund. You may recall that uh we're holding a visioning workshop on November 10th as a series of workshops that are going to be dealing with urban um forestry and we uh staff is recommending that uh that that be combined his recommendations be combined
with that process to come ultimately come up with uh recommendations to council regarding the urban forestry management plan. Thank you, city manager. City clerk. Yes, sir. The first card is Laura Lee Thompson.
Um, hi Lori Thompson, Mims, Florida. Thank you for considering repurposing the public landscape trust fund as recommended by the TEC at their meeting on September 10th. The trust fund to which TEC refers is outlined in resolution 30-201
that we passed out to you. The public landscape trust fund receives revenues from mitigation efforts stipulated in section 30-34 of the tree canopy protection ordinance. This year, the city allocated $50,000 of the
uncommitted balance of the trust fund toward a required match for an urban and community forest grant, which the city ultimately received. A consultant, EOC Environmental, was hired to help craft Titusville's urban forest management plan. The TEC's focus for the last year
has included native canopy shade trees as primary infrastructural elements of our city's landscape. Trees are the workhorses of site development. We know that the right trees in the right place can significantly affect air and water quality and help minimize the need for
expensive manufactured storm water management structures. At the same time, large trees provide framework for the type of environment in which people and businesses thrive. The first community meeting for Titusville's urban forest
plan is scheduled for no November 10th at 5:30 p.m. here in the city council chambers. the urban forest management plan. It will heavily rely on our community for vital input to develop an actionable plan with a shared vision for
Titusville's future urban forest. At the workshop, citizens will get an opportunity to speak with the consultants, recap results from a community survey, collaborate in breakout groups, and work to help formalize the future vision of Titusville's urban forest. There's a web
page about the project on our our city's website. The address is titusville.com3186forest plan project. Staff recommends that TEC's request be considered as part of the development of the urban forest management plan. The public landscape
trust fund should be utilized to implement measures that are recommended in the plan, including the salary for an urban forest manager, planting of tree canopy, and tools necessary to execute the plan. The public landscape trust
fund collects money when trees are sacrificed during development. Shouldn't that money best be used to plant and manage trees in our city? So, here's that website once again. Um, I hope everybody takes the survey and comes to
the meeting. It's titusville.com3186 urban forest plan project. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Laurley. City clerk Kong K Maryland Avenue Titusville Tree Team. The Titusville Tree Team is eager to
attend the November 10 vision building workshop with EOC and consultants to begin developing the urban forest management plan. At this meeting, residents will help formalize the future vision and goals of Titusville's urban forest. But tonight, I wish to thank you
for considering TEC's recommendation to repurpose resolution 32,01's public landscape trust fund. These funds occurr when developers remove trees during construction without replacing them. There could be no better use of
these mitigation funds than to utilize them for the urban forest management plan. This plan will serve as a roadmap to enhance and preserve our community's urban forest. Funds will be needed to plant trees on publicly owned lands,
especially along streets, shading homes, sidewalks, and roads. Funds will be needed for an urban forester to implement the plan. So, let's use this public landscape trust fund to imple implement the urban forest management plan. Please adopt staff's suggestion to
incorporate TEC's request to utilize the public landscape trust fund to implement measures recommended by the urban forest management plan. Thank you very much. Thank you, Miss K. City clerk. The last card is Dan Johnston.
My my name is Stan Johnston. I've been here over 50 years and uh I'm a tree hugger and uh I love trees and I've just saw some ter terrible things that's happened in the city of Tyville where
people have just just tear trees down just because they don't like them. They don't like leaves. is some of the reasons. So, uh we need help and we're getting a lot of uh promotion by um Laura Lee and K St. Al
and uh I want to say ditto for what they're doing. They've been working hard and to uh to help this out and they need your support. So, I'd like you to support what they have have what they're having
what they're asking you to do. Um, I'm looking at a site right now called uh u Elizabeth Oaks which I think they took down all the oak trees about 80 oak trees and they uh they saved it. They
did save one tree. It's a pine but now they found out that they put it the wrong place and it's on it's on somebody else's property. So, I'm guess what I'm showing you is is that people don't seem to really respect what they're doing and
u I want you to consider that. Uh it's it's nice to breathe air. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. All right, city manager. Um few meetings back, council gave
direction for staff to uh put out an RFP for a landscape architect to design the entryways and our roadways with trees. Correct. Your mic's off. Yeah, I believe so. Okay. Uh where are we at in that
process? I don't have that information right off hand. I press Brad. You know, we we're going to use ACOM, which one of our continuing services. They are scheduled to come in uh the next two weeks and ride around with our staff to look at uh opportunity areas
within the corridors and they should have a proposal back shortly after that. Thank you. Because that was where the funds were coming from to pay for that was the landscape trust fund. Correct. Okay. And then how much funds are are left in there?
Anybody else? I don't know the exact balance of that that fund. Yeah. So, just food for thought. I think we should see how much uh the landscape architect is going to recommend as they kind of go through and design everything
as they're the landscape architect and expert. And we continue to move forward with community input. Um, and then combine all three of those type of things together between the TEC, these urban forestry management plan conversations along with input from the
landscape architect as we move forward. So th those are my thoughts. Member Nelson, I agree. And um you know if we have money in the fund at that point when you guys come back with a plan come back
with an idea of how to use the money because I would like to see it put more trees in. Thank you member Nelson. And I I think the the challenge of hiring somebody to do this is ongoing occurring expense
that will never end. And we can't predict year over year how much funding is going to come into that that trust fund. I mean, economy can keep doing well and people could keep building and unfortunately knocking down trees and and funding that plan, but it's very
possible that that could slow down as well. Vice Mayor Cole, yes, I think uh it it would be beneficial to us if we move the Titusville Environmental Commission Landscape Management Trust Fund. defer that until after we've had the urban
forestry meeting. So that would be my motion. Second. All right. So I have a motion and I have a second. That kind of sprung up on me fast, guys, but I appreciate I was like, okay, I want to make sure everybody had their say. Um, so I have a motion from
Vice Mayor Cole to um wait to see what the input is from the the the plan. I have a second for member Mscoso. Is there any further discussion from council member Nelson? Uh, Vice Mayor, are we talking about
deferring it until we have a plan? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Hopefully I clarified that motion. Okay. City clerk, do you have that motion clear? All right. Thank you very much. Everybody understand what they're voting on? Okay. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much.
Appreciate you guys being here. City manager Okay. Additions and request non-aggenda items. Mr. Mayor, city council. My name is Chaz Pricket. I live in Hickory Hill. This coming up again. Uh I've got your
analysis here for your uh traffic impact and evidently it's incomplete and I don't understand why but uh I have about 60 hours with my people invested in the Chick-fil-A, the Culver's, Dutch
Brothers, McDonald's that have gone around the counties from Valuchia all the way down south and counting cars in these businesses. We're looking at 2,000 cars a week on a residential street in
Hickory Hill. This is not fantasy. This is actual reality. If this goes through four weeks at 2,000 cars, if you do the math, is 8,000 cars a month times 10 months,
80,000 cars on a residential street. Not counting November and December, which is another 16,000. You're looking at 96,000 cars on a residential street within about 150 ft of a traffic light. And this is only one
side of the traffic light. Culver's is on one side. You have Highway 50 cutting the other two. And this is a residential neighborhood with children in it. All right. And uh there's also I don't think your city
planners there's a 21 foot by 21 foot square that I don't think your city planners or your traffic people look at. If there's one car in that 21t square waiting on that light. It's a plug in a
bottle and nobody's looked at that. Also with the Dutch brothers that property that's next to me and I wish you guys would come by my house. You're welcome to come by on the first house on the left as you come in and you're welcome to come and look at this
piece of property. It holds acres of water when they start filling this in and start putting their concrete, fill dirt, everything else in uh where's the water going to go and who's going to be paying the flood insurance? This neighborhood's
been here for over 60 years and it hasn't flooded. If this goes in and it floods, do we have a contingency plan with the city to alleviate this problem? Because right now it's on paper, you can stop it. You're the city. You're the
people that cause everything to happen here. And if this goes through with these big multi- business traffic businesses, uh, you know, the neighbors, the, you know, everybody, the voters, everybody in this neighborhood, there's thousands
of people that have to go to work, that have to come home, that go to school, go to the doctor. You have the emergency vehicles that use this intersection also to cut through to 405 when there's problems. And, uh, you understand where I'm coming
from. I don't this is uh it's important to me and to the people in the Hickory Hill neighborhood. And these two pieces of property at the end of the street, they're dead for construction. And I guess I'm out of time. So, thank
you for listening to me. And like I said, if you guys wanted to come by my house and look, you're welcome to come by my house. Thank you, Mr. Chaz. Member Nelson. Chaz, I love the idea that you think we have loads of power. We don't.
We have federal laws we have to deal with. We have state laws we have to deal with. And sometimes our hands are tied. That property was owned commercial years ago. I realize that.
And if we turn around and say, "Oh, I'm glad you bought it and now you can't build on it. then we're in trouble. Um, we can't tell people where where to put things. Yeah.
Thank you, Member Nelson. Dr. Kathleen Orook, Titusville resident. While my issue that I'm raising tonight may seem small, it's part of a greater issue. I nominated Stell Bailey for a community service award following the correct procedure. The recipient of this
award is to be recognized for high level of service. The description of the award also clearly states the following. An award in frame certificate will be presented to the winner and frame certificates will be presented to the
other nominated individuals. Okay. Now, no one other than the winner was recognized at the city council meeting and I think that's somewhat unfortunate but there's nothing you could do that. However, in terms of providing a frame certificate to each person nominated,
the procedure was absolutely not followed. Miss Dailyy never received a certificate, although the other five did. So, I followed up with Wanda and Emily, and I was told that six certificates were sent to you, Andrew,
to be signed. You signed and returned five of those certificates, but you never signed the one for Miss Bailey. And actually, I heard a rumor that you shredded it, although I believe that's possible. I'm hoping it's not true.
But I also think that Stell does a great service to the city of Titusville through identifying and exposing corruption. And Andrew, since you became the mayor through a totally corrupt process and continue to act with very little regard to honesty and integrity,
I can see why you might not really appreciate giving Stell award. But you have no right to bypass that policy and refuse to sign her certificate. In my mind, that's an example of very unprofessional behavior. So, I would
like this resolved and I would appreciate from you an explanation as to why you did not sign the certificate for Stell Bailey and what you're going to do to rectify this. You can't answer me.
Amazing. You know, and that's the kind I just had the great pleasure of speaking with Mayor Diesel recently and it was so delightful to talk to somebody who actually treats the citizens as they should be treated and cares about what they say, which clearly you have no
ability in that regard. Okay. Well, I think I will end up filing an ethics complaint on this because I have no other option as far as I can tell. I went to the trouble as a citizen to follow the policy and I don't appreciate your lack of professionalism.
Thank you. Good evening. My name is Jesse Wright, 3550 South Washington Avenue. I want to thank member Nelson, the mayor, and Mr. Cole for the approval of the first trunch. Megan, don't give me a
dare look. Maybe S is doing the same thing. But I appreciate you guys to approve the first trunch that uh went through. But I have obviously another problem that I'm bringing up to you and that's a packet that uh of passed out.
Um so recently I found out that Shell station is now also been leaking underground um for almost 20 years. So we have Shell station on Cumberland uh Country Club
and Hopkins on one side and Cumberland Farms on the other side. And so by looking at their report uh environmental report uh it says that the uh the contamination benzene level is actually going through
northeast and I thought that's where Santa Claus is in northeast because you know the contamination always goes east to west. I'm sorry, west to east. So, um I want to bring up to the uh to this
meeting the approval of the TEC back two years ago that was unanimously approved for having the city to be involved. As of right now, the project is halted. We cannot go forward because the lenders are literally asking for the phase one
and phase two and we have impurity. This used to be one contiguous lot which has been all separated. That is number one that I wanted to bring up. I've got one and a half minute or 1 minute and 19 second. The second u
point that I want to bring up is the um we're planning on uh putting a Christian kids school. Mr. Hector behind me is going to be coming up and talking about he's already got a school in Orlando. It's I believe is 1 to 12
and uh we Jazz and Ballet is moving out. Uh they found another place. We have about 12,000 square feet in the in the mall that we like to uh place them in there. And so I'm requesting uh you all
to uh give the staff the authority to go forward as far as changing the ordinance, which basically means having the zoning changed so we can have schools in Titus Landing and my property
and the other one down the street. I've already met with the city manager and and also uh with Brad and uh I'm hoping I have the unanimous approval of you guys wanting to have a Christian school just like step by step that is on 1923
Knox Cray McCrae Drive. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much, Mr. Jesse. I'd like to ask uh Hector to come up with uh his partner now. Stand sit down.
Good evening everybody. My name is Hector Sanchez. I'm the president of the TDR Learning Academy. Whoever don't know what what is TDR is Tower of Refuge.
So we have a school K to2 in Orlando. We started 2012 with six kids and we got 105 and uh it's it's going very well. I just moved to Titusville. I like Titusville and I would like to open a
school here. She's um one of the uh board member and I want her to speak a little bit. Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for listening to us. Um I as Pctor Hector Sanchez, we've been I'm a founder as well of all the schools. We've opened six schools. He's very humble. He only
says Orlando because that's the one he owns. But we founded six schools. Casemi, I'm opening one in Lakewell. I have one in Hane City. Um, Reborn Christian Academy is huge. 600 kids. And so we've been doing this for a while. We like what we do. We love to see
testimonies when kids come in when they graduate at the end of the year. We like to see the parents um go through a full cycle. You know, they don't get along with their kids in the beginning, but by the end they, you know, they have a better relationship. And so we're trying to just bring that to Titusville with
what we do. Um I believe in um the power of changing minds and the kids and you know restoring hearts. Not just that obviously teaching math, English, social studies and science and everything else that comes with it. But we we believe in a full cycle a full full cycle and I
believe that that is helping the parents, helping the children and overall you know bringing jobs to the community and helping as you know Christian in a Christian environment as as we do. Do you have any questions for us? Thank you. Thank you very much.
Um Brad, can you elaborate what the challenges are? We received a request to establish a school in the Urban Village zoning district. If you recall, there are only three properties in the city that have that zoning district. Mr. Jesse Wright's property, Titus Landing, and one other
location south of Cheney. Urban um schools are prohibited in that zoning district. In order to allow them, the code would have to be changed with an ordinance by you to permit a school, whether it's private or public, inside that zoning district. Thank you very much, Mr. affairs. Does
council have anything? Member Nelson? I don't have a problem with it. Member Stol. Um, I'm definitely for the Christian school. I guess my concern is my concern is that I've been concerned and Jesse knows this
with how much is being proposed for this piece of property. Um, so I've heard hotel, I've heard apartments, I've heard assisted living facility, I've heard um multiple things. And I I guess I'm I'm hesitant because I feel like we're
losing a lack of vision for what that piece of property will look like. And I think that's part of the reason why things are zoned a certain way. So if we look at Titus Landing, for instance, it's zoned that way. And then we can see the types of businesses that open up there, restaurants, retail. My concern
is if we start opening this up, um I would want this school to be successful, but then I start thinking, okay, how is this going to work with a hotel on the corner? Then you have kids going in and out of school. where does the loop go? What what does that piece of property then look like if we're just saying
have whatever goes on this piece of property. So that that's my hesitation is I'd like to see um and Jesse knows this from previous conversations of what is the overall vision for this piece of property and that we're not just peacemailing it by hey we want to do
this now so we approve that but then now another piece changes and then we don't know exactly what's happening on this piece of property. Thank you, Member Stokl. Jesse, we're having council discussion about what to do. I understand, but this this isn't a hearing right now where we're going back
and forth. Just please bear with us. Member Nelson. So Sarah, I understand what you're saying. I guess in my mind, I'm envisioning the hotel up here, a school in the back with a loop going around. Am I close?
So, and you have apartments in the middle which potentially, you know, um potentially you have kids that might want to be in those schools. So, you
know, we I know Jesse talked about having medical facilities there. Yeah. So it's to me it's almost like having a many city. Thank you. Member Nelson.
You don't like many cities. Member Moscow. Yeah, I would say that this is a lot um without us having more information and we typically don't do things this way. And so I think we need to know um you know what I don't like is that this urban village, it's not just
one property, it's three different properties. And um and so I don't know if there's an option for a cup or or something else. But I think first of all, we need to have more information on this project. We also need to know um we haven't had time to even look at it. what are the what are the um um uses
right now and so we can look at it. So I think um perhaps if we go through the proper channels of looking at this and you meet with the staff and maybe they give us kind of a an overview instead of doing this and petitions and requests we all might feel more comfortable um moving forward
and I think that's where I was too is you know see kind of gauge council's uh feeling on it to see if staff will will do an analysis to provide us more information on on this topic. City manager sorry I believe what Mr. right is uh aiming for is to get council to give an
advisability for staff to research this come back with options and provide the information that council member Mscoso was asking for. So if we get the advisability we'll start using some staff time we'll meet again Mr. Wright explore his vision and see how it's
compatible and what the options are and come back to council. Thank you city manager member Mscoso. Um how much staff time do you think this will take? It's hard to gauge because every ordinance um you never know. There might
be unintended consequences. So we sometimes are simple and sometimes unexpectedly it may be difficult. So it's hard to gauge how much time it will take, but we'll certainly meet with Mr. Wright to talk about what he's intending to do. And do you typically do this when people come up with an idea? um walk them
through all of these the process or do you just say hey if you want it if you want this um use you have to have um you know change or land change or whatever or how do you typically do it? So what we discussed with Mr. Wright was that there are really two options. One
is you can petition the city council to direct staff to research this and come back to you with recommendations or even within just an ordinance you direct us directly with to do that. The other option is to force the issue before you by actually submitting an application and proposing an ordinance for you to consider. And so that there's really two
options that an applicant has and typically we go for the second option. We typically recommend that because that brings the question before you regardless of your direction. Okay. Thank you. Member Nelson. So Tom, are you looking for a motion for
advisability? I believe that's what Mr. right is is aiming for. We're just looking for guidance on how you want us to proceed based on those two options that in this case I'm okay with advisability and then to what member Mscosa was saying, I'd
really like to see potentially is a cup possible as opposed to making a change to all areas that have this land use. Yes. So right now schools require a conditional use permit in all the zoning districts that are permitted or so. We would re if this goes forward, we would
recommend the same in this industry. Just so you aware, the last time that Mr. Wright asked for this, he actually took option two, which is to have to submit an application with a proposed ordinance. And remember that was the ALF. The assisted living facility was a
specific use that was prohibited in that zoning district. He proposed it to be included in the zoning district with an ordinance that he drafted and presented to you. Okay. Member MSOS. Sorry. And then Mr. Wright, why haven't you moved forward with the CUP?
The CU is not required yet because the use is not even permitted. Okay. At the moment, if if you want to go forward with this, we would recommend that. Okay. All right. So, hold on. You're about to get your advisability, so just relax. It'll come
back before us. Member Nelson. Okay. Motion to approve advisability to look at um potentially having schools um in the zoning district. Second.
I have a motion and I have a second. Can I can I say a clarification on that recommendation that or that direction that is not to come back to you with an ordinance but to come back to you with information research? Correct. Correct. Okay. Yeah. All right. That was on the agenda. Does
anybody like to speak on this? Sarah, the uh the school code is going to be in the second phase. The first phase, as Jolene mentioned, has the hotel, apartments, restaurants, and the ALF. This is the second phase. Second phase is where we have the mini mall
right now. And because jazz and ballet is moving out, we have 5,000, 3,000, four, 4,000 square feet. So I love to have the school there. So then at some point in time, we can put him in a second phase of the project. And I guess my question was I thought
the second phase included retail. So when you were showing this to us originally was having those things and then when I said what about retail, you said that would be in the second phase, but now I'm hearing something else. Well, so now what I'm asking is to for the retail so that we can add additional
in addition to the medical and retail the school as well. Okay. And and right now it basically is the minimal. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Well, that was my first card. Mr. Johnson, would you like to say
something? Any other way? Anybody else on this particular topic? All right. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Petitions are request agenda items. Stan Johnson, I have three items. U one
is the uh what Mr. Casey was bringing up. Uh I want you to think about this way. Let's suppose you got three cars going uh they're going eastbound on on uh on on State Road 50 and they want to go to this restaurant that's at the corner of
Hickory Hills. So, what they do is they get in the turning lane and it turns green for them. They uh they turn in there and then what they they come up to is is a line of cars blocking the entrance to this restaurant.
So, what it's going to do, it's going to back up. The cars that are that want to go on 50 can't move because you'll have cars right out in the middle of the intersection. I remember when I was here when they discussed it before and they it was mentioned of that they that there's
already a curb cut in Highway 50 and that someone was going to push it to see if if DOT would give up and let's let's go ahead and have the entrance on 50. I want you to know I've done numerous site plans and I would never do it by
going into this road by making a little quick turn on on Hickory Hill Boulevard and then making another little turn and going into the restaurant. It makes no sense at all. It's just going to back up traffic horribly. So, um you need to go ahead and correct it. That's number one.
So, that's what I want to mention there. Number two is this this right here that you've got, right? Okay. she says, and so does Tom have this. So, what this is is you see is this is this is what's been going on for over four years is
that when this was approved by council in 2021, apparently you guys did not know that there's no way to get a an easement to the last house to s to to say that it has access to the house. So,
this last house on Mike Lane has absolutely no access is no has no water and sewer utilities. I talked to Andrew uh not Andrew, Ashley Smith, and she just sort of like just threw her hands up like what could
she do? It should have never should never be this. This is a problem that that someone should should should fix. The third thing I want to bring up is that I was watching YouTube and I saw on YouTube. You won't believe what I saw on YouTube. 1180 Greenwood Street. There's a puddle of sewer there. A puddle of
sewer on a video of YouTube. You've got guys got a nonsense. They got to stop this out. you should cancel YouTube, internet or whatever because it's making you guys look bad because what the city has done they they submitted
report to FTE saying this is there was no sewer there. City did that. So it looks like this is saying the city is committing fraud. This is horrible. Y'all need to do something about stopping this internet and so forth about these videos and stuff being taken.
Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Lost my voice. Sorry, mayor. Can I just ask for that address? Greenwood. What? 2022. Okay. Thank you. Everything lasts forever on the internet.
Evening folks. I'm still a fanatic on a display of the American flag. The flag is a symbol of patriotism and allegiance to whatever subject it flies in front of. The flag in front of the department of
headquarters 550 South Washington is wrongly displayed as view from North Washington or the fire department parking lot. The American flag should be on the viewer's left which it is not.
It may be if you're standing in front of the fire department entrance, the display is correct in front of the parking lot. The flag is showing patriotism to the fire department's parking lot. A simple solution to the embarrassing
problem is to switch the flags or remove the state flag and fly the American flag which is flown all over the country. Mr. Mayor, I leave it to you, your staff, and your council to correct the
embarrassing problem. A lot of people don't really understand or have any idea about the display of the American flag, no matter. All they do is take it for granted that everything is right, which it is not as it is right now. If you
view it from North Washington or the parking lot, the flag is on the right side, which it shouldn't be. Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. Member Mosto. Thank you. Thank you for coming, sir. I know that this is your your third time
coming. Um before the meeting, I did speak with our city manager um about this and so I I would ask um Mr. Bate if you wouldn't mind speaking to the issue. I spoke with Chief Histo
and he explained uh we are correct. I just don't want to get into back and forth, but we are correct. We are displaying the flag correctly. Thank you very much. Anybody else? Petitions and requests from the public. Non-aggenda items
Thompson U Mims. So at our last TEC meeting, we were challenged to study the Titusville Natural Resources Report and decide on our next project to work on. So we talked about different things, you know, and we were we were like torn what
what could the TEC focus on that could really benefit staff and the city council. So someone threw out wetlands on the table. And yeah, the TEC members like that. Our wetland policies are a mess and they've been like that since
2011. It all goes back to um EAR amendments to the comprehensive plan that Titus submitted in 2010. Those included future land use policy changes to the conservation land use category. Future land use changes were found to be
in compliance and were intended to be consistent with proposed changes to the wetlands policies of the conservation element. However, the proposed changes to the conservation element were found to be not in compliance. That was due to the
proposed major changes to the wetland policies. To deal with the state's objections, the city council decided to return to the existing pre-ear wetlands language and abandon the proposed major wetlands conservation element changes.
The Department of Community Affairs had stated that the historical way of protecting wetlands and their functional values was acceptable. So what Titusville has now is a troublesome mismatch particularly between future
land use policy 1.16.4 which contains major changes included in that 2010 year update and the older conservation element language which was reinstated. That's how we ended up with the
subjective determination of property rights which places a large and unnecessary burden on staff and you guys. I was I watch you guys up here struggling with these wetlands um issues, you know, and every single
project is a is a different thing and and or the deference of the city's land use responsibility to the St. John River water management district's determination of the extent of the allowable impacts. The TEC would like to
work on our wetlands policies to add consistency and clarification so that everything works together, but we can't do it without staff's assistance. So TEC is asking for advisability for some staff time so that we can work to try to
straighten out our wetlands policies and make the future land use element and the conservation element work together so that you guys have clear, you know, instructions on what can be done with wetlands and not have to go
through this this interpretation every time you have a new development. Thank you, Mr. Thank you, member Nelson. I like that idea. Um, the wetlands, some of our policies have been problem
forever and my my thought is we need to work on it. I know one of the things that bothered me was if you have two pieces of property, one had three acres of
wetlands, another had five acres lowlands, you didn't consider putting them together, you considered them separately. So that has always bothered me. So I would love to see
um TEC and staff work on this. Thank you, Member Nelson. member Stokal. Yes. Um, this kind of it's not the same thing, but it's similar to what I was planning to bring up in my council report, which is another advisability, and so I want to be mindful of it to see
if maybe we can combine it. Um, just especially considering all the rain and I've been out in different communities and seeing pictures and talking to people and I mentioned this in my briefing is and obviously we have to have council approval but advisability to make sure that our city doesn't
become like the pictures that we're seeing specifically in Edgewater. I visited a neighborhood in Port Orange and they literally told me the entire neighborhood aside from four homes has had water inside their homes. And I know that's not what we want to do, but also staff has to go by the rules and
regulations that we set before. So I would like to request advisability to give staff time to look into that to make sure that that does not happen. I I mean even over the weekend, people in south end of the count county, I saw they have a septic tank, their toilets were bubbling because there was so much
rain in their in their yard. Um, so I would I would feel a lot more comfortable to make sure we're proactive to ensure that that does not happen any of that for our residents. That is a motion. All right. Hold on. This a motion. I'm sorry. And that could clarify the
motion, please. Yeah. AD staff advisability to just look into our current uh rules and regulations that we have in our ordinances that account for uh development uh to account for flooding, to account for wetlands, to ensure that
um Brad, you can help me out here. You know what I'm talking about because I mentioned it to you. just to ensure essentially that our resident that we're protecting the environment that we're making sure we have enough capacity that homes that they're being able to drive outside of their homes. And I know
people will say, well, we never have this rain like this before, but there's only so many times you can say that, well, we've never had this before. We we are starting to get it and we need to plan appropriately for that to the best of our ability. So, that that's my motion. I'll second it.
Yeah. God bless our city clerk for having to write down that motion. All right. So, I have a motion from member Stokal. I have a second from member Nelson. Um, can I propose a friendly amendment? All right. So, some of the issues that I
see are folks that live in our city, but maybe the road that they're on is county. And so, it nec it might not be in the purview of what they're looking at. So, I just want to include um the surrounding little bits of Titusville because, you know, there's folks up on
Derry Road. Derry is a county road, but there are residents and they're seeing the flooding happening on a on a county road. So, I want to make sure that um folks on Singleton, Carpenter, Citizen, you know, we're taking that into account
with our our advisability. Does that make sense? Yeah, I'm fine with that. Okay. So I just want to make sure because I know we have hard lines when we're looking within the city. So I just want to make sure that everybody knows about it. City manager you have some add
Yeah. Yeah. So So there's a motion for advisability for staff to look into with conjunction with TEC on what I would imagine our storm water management plan or policies regarding wetlands. Correct. And also include the county roads that
go through our city. I may have to come back to you for further clarification, but we could certainly look into this. We do have the natural resources report Miss Thompson mentioned for guidance. So, we can look into that, work with TC and come back to you. Yeah. And really, I mean, the prime example is the gentleman that spoke
regarding Hickory Hills. He has major concerns that if a development happens, and I want to make sure that us up here, we have appropriate rules in place that if a development happens on, you know, that piece of property is zoned commercial. So, I want to make sure that they abide by certain rules that will not impact his home with flooding, but I
don't know what those standards are. It appears to me, you're asking for for us to look into strengthening the requirements that we have now. Correct. Okay. Yes. All right. Member Mscosa. Um Yes. And yeah, like like the mayor was saying, we do have roads like uh
Westwood. It's half city, half county. And um I was talking with Kevin about this earlier. How do we coordinate to get those roads fixed? And we have to do it with the county. But as member Soal was saying, it's not even as far as Edgewood. It's here in Mims. I mean, it's extremely close. What I would say
is that we do have another workshop coming on up and I think this one is on the fourth. I think this is the vulnerability assessment workshop and I think we paid Yeah. Geocentech. How much did we pay them to do this? It was quite a large
amount of money. And this is I think one of the workshops that I imagine they're putting it on. But this is actually going to cover a lot of those things. Um it's going to look at rainfall, storm surge, sea level rise, um flooding, all of those things. So I don't know if we
want to ask for adi advisability in addition to having that or um we want to look at that first and see what comes of it or these might be two different things. I I think they could be similar things. So, I would anticipate those results coming back and then staff looking at
what those are and then proposing potential changes for us for ordinances. So, yeah, I would see those together. Does that make sense? Yeah, the workshop again is or the is on the fourth. It's kind of high level looking at it
vulnerability and the assets that we have. Um, so I think after that event, we can come back to you after we review the options and come back to you with clarification or proposed potential changes or things that you noticed that we may need to look at.
I would hesitate to come back to you with actual recommendations yet. Um I probably need to come back to you with findings. Okay. And then um get further direction from you. Yep. Sounds like a special presentation meeting to me if I've ever heard one. Yeah. I just I and the other thing too that I
do get concerned about is like what recourse do people have? So, let's say that we do have regulations and we think it's fine and then it's not. What happens? And and that's where I get really concerned. So, thank you, member. So, Vice Mayor Cole.
Yeah, I agree with everything that we've said about that because we need to be able to uh make intelligent decisions because back to the gentleman talking about heritage with the water runoff. I don't think that I think that we do have
rules that protect the property owner and when someone's putting in a piece of property that he can't have runoff onto someone's property. Am I right, Brad? Can't cause an adverse impact.
Okay. My my second question is we already have our AI software on board right now for for single family permits. Okay. Still working on it for but I'm wondering is it broad enough that we could include something like
this as far as our roads and drainage and stuff like that. Is it possible that that could go into that software or is it just sing strictly the single family? It's I believe it might be possible. We
could certainly ask. Right now the the scope of work is just for site permits. Mhm. I'm just thinking if we had a database with all of our roads and drainage and all that stuff in there. I mean, we would have to establish the database obviously, but it would be so
easy if that exists and we could use that for this type of purpose because what we're bringing up right now, I think, is very very important to the city and the people that live in the city. So may just just look into that
for me. Okay. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Vice Mayor Cole. Member Muscoso. So, um, Vice Mayor Herman, we do have the GIS. I don't know if you've had a chance, but it has all of our roads and drainage and um, a lot of that information. So, I'm sure our staff is going to build upon that, but it's very
helpful if you've had a chance to look at it. Yeah, the GIS is helpful, but if you had it in AI, you could put the question in it and you wouldn't have to do that kind of research. You want AI to do all the work? Of course. Even though I'm old, I still believe in
modern things. All right. Go ahead and call the question. I had a motion by member Stokel. I had a second by I don't remember at this point, but uh all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you
very much. Uh city manager, we're doing petitions. We'll move on to consent. Anybody else for petitions or requests, non-aggenda items? Nope. Oh, sorry. Just want to make sure we didn't miss anybody. I appreciate it. Good evening, mayor,
council, community members. My name is John Skully, and I'm here on behalf of the Bvard Clerk of Court, Rachel Sedoff. Clerk Sof asked me to share a few words to recognize interim attorney Jim Stokes, um, who also serves as our contract attorney for our office. Over the course of his work, we've seen firsthand the professionalism,
dedication, and thoughtful approach to many complex issues within the city. qualities that have clearly benefited the city during his tenure. Clerk Seed Off also wanted to express her deep appreciation for the city of Titusville, not only as the county seat, but as the home of so many employees and their
families. The strength and success of our community matters deeply to our office, and we're very thankful for the individuals like Attorney Stokes who contribute to that during his service. On behalf of Clerk Seaf and the Bvard Clerk of Courts, we simply want to say thank you, Jim, for everything you do
for our community and our city. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Mr. Skellyy. Anybody else? Petitions, requests, non-aggenda items. Seeing none, city manager. Yes, sir. Moving on to consent. We have 10 items on consent agenda. Are there
any items that any member of council wishes to pull for further discussion? Member Nelson. B. Anything else? Seeing none, city manager. So, I'll go ahead and pull 8B and I'll read uh the others for the record.
Consent agenda item 8A, task order number MH005 for the city of Titusville reclaim aquifer storage and recovery wealthy ability study. Approve the award of task
order MH00005 to meet Hunt Meet and Hunt in the amount of 59,792 to provide engineering consulting services including a feasibility study for an aquifer storage and recovery well to manage excess reclaimed water through
both the storage and and withdrawal capabilities and authorize the city manager to execute the task order. 8C, award of citywide janitorial services contract. Approve the final scoring and award the contract to
American Facility Services of Alpharetta, Georgia, and authorize staff to conduct the final final negotiations with the firm not to exceed $225,000 annually. Additionally, authorize the mayor to execute the subsequent
negotiated contract subject to the review of the city attorney, city manager, and purchasing and contracting. 8D, acceptance of the fire department FY24 staffing for adequate fire emergency safer grant for three firefighters and accept the safer grant
award and approve the associated budget amendment. AE water allocation permit. Big Dan's car wash Wash Titus Commons approved the issuance of a water supply capacity allocation permit in the amount of 18,298
gallons per day for the Big Dance car wash development on Cheney Highway. 8F change order fire stations humidity assessment. approved the change order number one to task order ACOM t08
fire station humidity assessments to ACOM incorporated in the amount of $46,4425 for design permitting and construction phase services to fire headquarters fire station 11 and fire station 13 buildings
8G fisc year 26 starfire corporation contract amendment for the red white and boom fireworks display approved the requested six-month extension to the Starfire Corporation agreement for the provision of fireworks for the July 4th,
2026 event at a cost of $38,500 and authorized purchasing and contracting administrator to execute the extension agreement 8H 2026 Medicare medical and pharmacy plan options for city retirees for
January 1st, 2026 through December 31st, 2026. 6. Approve the 2026 Medicare supplement and Medicare Part D prescription drug plan renewal with Sigma and approve the 2026 Medicare Advantage PO plan with RX with the mana
for citizen retirees eligible for Medicare and authorize the city manager to execute the agreement documents upon review and approval from purchasing the city attorney and the city manager. 8 I Ward of Contract Community Shade Stop approve the award of the community shade
stop contract to SDV Services of Titusville in the amount of $37,900 for the installation of one community sha shade stop and associated bench bike rack and trash receptacle and authorize the mayor to execute the contract funded
through the community development block grant program and HJ live work units in the office professional zoning district approve Approve of advisability directing staff to draft an ordinance permitting live work units in the office OP zoning district.
Thank you, city manager. City clerk. Yes, sir. We have uh one card. It's Dan Johnston for item A, D, and I. Mr. Johnson, you know, you can't wear that sign up here. Why can't I wear the sign? We went over it last meeting. Our city
attorney said that that is against the rules. Is that what you're saying? I can't wear the sign. By council rules, signs are to be in the back. What I said is if you had a piece of clothing, like a t-shirt that was printed, that's clothing. That's not clothing. That's a sign. So, that should be in the back.
Okay. So, I'll take it off. It's attached to my shirt. Okay. Okay. Mr. Johnson, please put your shirt back on. Why? I mean, it was attached to my shirt. Why Why should I do this? Because uh I don't
know. It seemed like to me is if I wear a sign, I'm allowed to wear a sign because that's that seems like a new It doesn't say that there's no regulation that says I have to uh I can't wear a sign. City attorney saying that I have to work. Is there rules that people have to be
fully clothed in the council chambers? This was attached to my shirt. According to the council rules, people need to be properly attired. How about according to the constitution? Just like just like restaurants. No shoes, no shirt, no sir. Okay. How about the constitution? Mr. Johnson. Okay. Please have a seat.
Okay. Can I start my clock now? Can I start the clock now? No, I can't start the clock. So, I'm going to have about two minutes is all on the left for for these three items. Okay. I want you to look in the back there. There is a sign says 100 176 parts per
trillion. So, what you're going to do is you're going you're not going to test the water and you're going to you're going to put it in the ground without testing the water for for poisons and and so forth. Is that what you that's what it plans to do? Look like to me because the city has
refused testing for for uh POS though we got a test right here 176 parts per trillion. Mr. Johnson, none of that is on the consent agenda. It is right there. Number eight. Can you can't you read it? It says aquifer
storage register uh uh rec and recovery. That's what this is about. We're going to take our reclaimed water with with all the piles in it and so forth and we're going to put it underground and then it's going to go to people's houses and then we'll use it later on for for chlorination and so forth. Do you
understand that, Mr. Connors? Mr. Connor, do you understand what I'm saying? No, you don't. Why don't you read it, Mr. Connor? This says this says that what what we're doing is a study. Now, what I'm saying to you, Mr. Connor, is
it seems like you don't know what's going on. It says they're going to pump our water back in after we we've used it after we put piss and poop on it and cleaned it up. Does anybody understand what I'm saying? I'm showing an objection to what what you're going to do. You need to test
your water before throwing it down underground with all this POS and so forth in it. and then putting it back in the into the system makes sense to me. So I had h a ad a so so this is this is an important thing
that you you need to consider and that includes what I was wearing there the sewage spills so forth where we're spending all this money on on uh recovery and I only get two minutes for three items because I took off my shirt
while I was attached to my sign. I think this is all unfair. Thank you Mr. Johnson. It's all unfair. Anybody want to say something? Maybe Moscow say something. No. All right. So that concludes the public
comment for consent items ACDF F G H I J. Member Nelson. Move to approve those items. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you
very much. City manager. Yes, sir. I'll go ahead and read uh 8B for the record. Purchase of response capable staff vehicle. Approved purchase of a 2025 Chevrolet Traverse all-wheel drive four-wheel four-door uh response vehicle
response capable staff vehicle. This vehicle will be purchased from Allen J Fleet Sales under contract 5179-2025 city of Tallahassee. Purchase price on the quote is the amount of $60,789. Thank you very much, city manager, city
clerk, are there any cards? Thank you, member Nelson. Chief, I had a question. Um, I looked up the mileage on this vehicle and, you know, we have our
sustainability plan and I'm like, 20 miles to a gallon? Oh my god. Is it possible to use a hybrid in its place or something that gets 21 miles to a
gallon, 22? Well, there's a number of reasons why using a hybrid is complicated when you talk about an emergency response vehicle with the amount of electronics that we have. But with this model in particular,
I don't know what year you were looking at, but the the year the 2026 model that we're talking about gets 27 miles to a gallon. the comparable hybrid. That would be another option just in a regular um uh in a regular vehicle, not
something you compare to necessarily a a emergency response vehicle, but something more comparable in the hybrid. The Ford gets 30 miles to the gallon. So, the hybrid does get better. It gets 30. This is This gets 27. So, I think it
was last model year, year before that, it was a V6. Now they're all four cylinders. Okay. So to be fair, I think I looked at 2025. Okay. So that might be it. But that was just my question. It was like Yeah.
Yeah. And that's it's a priority to me, too. It's why we don't I didn't spec it with a V8. You know, it's overkill. So I just want something that's going to get the job done. Okay. Thank you. Any other discussion from council?
Seeing none, I have a motion. Move to approve consent agenda item B. Second. I have a motion from member Nelson, second from Vice Mayor Cole. All those in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously.
Thank you very much. City manager. Sir, moving on to ordinances. Second reading. Uh 9A will not be heard. The advertised not heard drawn by the applicant. So, moving on to 9B is a right-of-way U application. And here it
is, the Orange Street, the conduct a public hearing deny resolution number 18-2025, vacating, abandoning, and discontinuing certain public streets for a portion of the Orange Street public rideway. This item was currently tabled was recently
tabled and uh the applicant has requested to have it presented at this meeting. and Brad Parish is here from community development to answer any questions and the applicant is here as well. Mr. Parish, uh on page 3532 rather is the uh cover
the report to council but on this 534 is of your packet is the staff report. We reviewed the application based on the ordinance that was adopted in 2014 that provided some criteria for us in the analysis. Uh based on that information
and the responses we received from the various agencies that may have an interest in this public rideway uh this we received a few obje objections and the planning and zoning commission as already stated also recommended denial
of this. This is based on um well let me I could point you to 536 of your packet that if this is approved we would recommend the following two conditions and that is all required easements are provided as
required by the city uh for AT&T Southeast Florida City Gas in the and the city uh and in the event that these are not um completed within 180 days then then this resolution would be void. So if this is approved, we would have to
have those conditions completed within that time frame before it becomes effective. So to continue to be a rideway until such time those easements are completed. On page 538, this is the application. You will see the purpose from the
applicant on the bottom of that page. Uh the applicant is requesting to re vacate the remaining portion of this rideway within Orange Street for the purposes of construction of a commercial building. On page 547 of your packet, you'll see one of the letters, specifically the one
from our public works department. And in there, I just want to point out to you uh in the paragraph there at the bottom, the public works department does not contain does contain various utilities in the rideway along the described area and requires an easement over the utilities for maintenance,
access, and ingress egress. They are concerned that future development of the property could result in the developer being responsible for relocation of these utilities. On page 549, you'll see the aerial and a general location of where this rideway is located. Just so you know,
that is not scaled. So it the parcel lines are shifted. So there was a portion of this rideway that was vacated just west of what's illustrated there in red in that red box. Uh the history about that is the at one point the city
approved that vacate but then later asked for it to be returned back to the city. So there is an interest here to try and maintain this as a public rideway. With that, I'll just try and answer any of your questions. Thank you, Mr. Parish. City clerk.
I believe we have the applicant first is Bruce Moy. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of council. It's a pleasure to be here tonight. Um, this is a got a lot of history on this one. It is kind of an unusual request. Um, but
from what I can gather from the evidence that we've been able to obtain is that back in 1974 is that the the rightway was vacated from lots one to block to lots five. So, and then what but there was also it
was subject to a reverter clause that if the property was ever sold that right away would go back to the city. Property was sold at one point in time. So back in 1988, they reapplied to vacate the rightway for lots one and two that was
approved with no reverber. So you have a piece of you have a rightaway that has private property in the middle of it. You have rightway public rightway to the west, public rightway to the east, and private property in between.
My client owns lots three through seven. Uh so at one point if you recall lots three through five was vacated right away and reverted back when that's the property was sold back in the early 80s originally.
Um when he bought the property he was under the impression that he owned half the rightway. He was he had no idea that that property had been reverted back. The survey that he was provided at the closing show that he owned half of that rightway. Um but upon further investigation there
was a agreement that some I forget what date it was that redefined that to clarify that that property did not own the rightway that rightway was reverted back to the city um and it was not requested as part of that 1988 um
vacating. So even though that agreement exists, he that was he was not aware of it when he bought the property. So now he has a piece of property that um we came for a variance if I don't know if you're aware of this. We came and got a
variance for because this property is non-conforming to the rear. It's an existing building existed for a very very long time. It was actually part of the building to the north and the property got separated. So there's a zero setback because those buildings are actually touching.
So, not knowing that we had another nonconformity because now we are non-conforming to the front because our building the existing building is like a half a foot off that rideway line off the property boundary. Had we realized that we would have probably included in the variance so at
least have a conforming piece of property because as you know if you have a nonconformity something happens to your building in a hurricane you don't have the right to rebuild it. It's very hard to ensure um a lot lot of issues, you know, and that's why we got the first variance so that we'd at least be
compliant. Um he put a lot of money into this property since he bought it. I don't know if you know what it looked like before, but he's he's made it look very nice. He's put a lot of money into it. It's rented. Uh it looks way a lot better than um than it did when he when he first bought
the property. and his goal from day one was always to do a small expansion of the property so that he could actually have a little bit more building to to rent. Um, now he's, you know, since we had the PNZ and we did more research and
we we actually got the the uh updated title opinion, uh, you know, he's got less property than he thought he had. He's now non-conforming. So the request was to vacate the rightaway so he can one have the property back that he thought he had and
allow him to do a small addition that he that he would hopefully be entitled to do. Now the the uh there was a couple letters that were sent in the day before the PNZ meeting that we were not aware of. Um uh
my client actually approached those property owners, explained to him what he was trying to do and apparently they got the impression that we were trying to close the road and that is not our intention whatsoever. Our intention is just to ban it just to vacate the rightway
do the you know it goes half to him half to the people uh to the south would give him the property he would need to expand. we would grant an easement so to maintain uh vehicular access, utilities, allow you to maintain it. Everything
would stay exactly the same. All it would do would be would be take that property that is now public and make it private. And um it it in the odd situation that it's in where you have a private piece of property in between two
rightways that are public, it seems kind of odd. Um, so this would kind of clean that up and make it private all the way to to the intersection. So that's our request. Um, I know that the staff's not in favor of it, but I think that we're providing everything
that that addresses their concerns as well as the neighbors that to the west that were thinking we're going to close the road and we're not. So, we we're we're more than willing to provide a easement document that would be give you access in per in perpetuity
and um I think it kind of cleans up a kind of a messy situation. So, I'm here to answer any questions that you might have and hope that you might approve this request. Thank you, Mr. Moya. Vice Mayor Cole, my question would be when the property
owner bought the property, did the realtor not was this not delineated in the title by the realtor? That I can't I I don't know. All I know is that the survey that he got at the closing show that he owned that pro that that was property he was buying. Well, that means he has recourse to go
back to them because he was given a false position. True. Their title insurance. Yes. Yeah. Member Stokel. Yeah. My question is um if you guys are planning to keep everything the same, what is Can you explain why you would
are requesting the vacation? Yeah. So, if you look at the aerial, you'll see that there's empty property to the east because he owns now those two lots as well because there there two separate parcels. There's lots three, four, and five, and there's lots six and seven. The lots that have nothing on them right
now. Is that what you're So, yeah. So he owns all the way to to uh the road the yeah whatever the name of that I always forget. Yes. Um so right now well even with the the property if that he thought he owned the half of the rideway he was right at the limit for
your maximum building coverage. Okay. So he couldn't he would have to get another variance to exceed your maximum building coverage. Now that he owns doesn't own that property he thought he owned. He's actually non-conforming in two ways. He's non-conforming in maximum building coverage and non-conforming in
front setback. So, not only did he is he not doesn't have property he thought he purchased, he's now non-conforming. Okay. In two ways. And I guess if this does get denied, the
only um option would be to go file for another variance for that, I would assume. Uh yeah, possibly. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you. And also, if you've seen the rightway, you have parking right in on the street.
Um, very undesirable for for to have parking backing into a public street. So, vacating them would eliminate that concern as well. I mean, we can't do a project we unless we're maybe in downtown or something where you have street parking, but you know, usually
backing up into a public rideway is is is uh prohibited. Thank you, Mr. Moya. City Clerk, are there any other cards? Yes, sir. Two more cards. Mary Ballard. Good evening, council. My name's Mary Ballard. I'm here with my
husband Ardan Ballard and we are the owners of 11 South Brown and 12 South Dion which is north and south of Orange Street. We have I think it might be lot one and two
in reference to his 3, four, five, six and seven. Um I am here today to oppose vacating Orange Street to the north and to the south of our properties. Our main concern is that vacating this road could
create significant operational and logistical challenges for our business. We rely on Orange Street every day for shipping, receiving our main gates located directly on this street. On a typical day, we receive between five and
10 uh freight truck deliveries, large trucks that have to be offloaded with a forklift. We also ship uh large equipment that we require uh large double drop stretch trailers for and cranes periodically. Um
sometimes several times a month. It's not daily by any means and it has been less frequent this year, but looking to pick back up again, which is normal. Um, we do not want to assume responsibility
for the road maintenance, future road maintenance I should say, or repairs. There's a real concern that if the road were unmaintained in the future, access could be limited or even closed entirely, and that would severely impact
our ability to operate safely and efficiently. For these reasons, we respectfully ask the council to deny the request to vacate Orange Street and to reserve it as a public right away accessible and maintain for all current and future users.
I do understand that he is stating that we will continue to have use of the road. My problem is if in the future he decides not to maintain it, if we were to sell him our half, I guess is what we would have to do. Because from the way I
understand it, when you vacate the road, each person gets half. So if that's the case, is he even getting enough when he only gets half of the road to do the improvements he wants to do? And then also if we were to sell him our half and I know he's going to put it in
the minutes or whatever so that it says that he's going to maintain it. But what says he if he decides not to or decides to close the road or put a gate up then where does that leave us? It leaves the city to have to come back to him and
fight it. Is the city going to fight it at that time? Probably not. Thank you for your time. Thank you very much, city clerk. The last card is Dan Johnston. All right, he passes. Applicant.
Thank you. And I sure understand her concern. Um, uh, the fact that part of Orange Street is already privately owned. I mean, they could close off the the road right now. They own part of it. They own half of it, uh, to the west of our property. Um, and then there's
another third party that owns a PE the the south half of that vacated right away. You know, we would put that in perpetuity in the easement agreement that we can't fence it off, that we have to maintain it, and we would now block access and it would function just like it does now. um you know what happens
west of us we would have no control over but that is already in private property um you know the city has already vacated this right away twice um so we're really asking them to vacate it a third time I guess I thought it was a good idea twice um I don't know if I'm going to have
that luck tonight but uh the three strikes might not might might not be good in this instance but if for any reason the road is is the concern we would be happy with just vacating the north 25 ft and that way the because the
road's not in the centered in the rightway. The road's on the south 25 ft of the of the uh rightway. So if you vacated only the north half, the road would still be in the rightway and then we would just grant the easement for the utilities and then we
would be made whole and we could actually make a nice improvement on the property. Um, so that would we would be happy to to agree to that if if that makes it any more palatable. That kind of gets us where we want to be and resolves the issue possibly for the
roadway because now the roadway would still be on city property. So that's something for you to consider. Thank you very much. Thank you, city council. Member Nelson. So Brad, what does that
do? Not sure I understand the question. Um, Mr. Moya is suggesting that we only vacate 25 ft of the rideway. What does that do? So, I'm looking at the record here, I'm not quite sure where the building is in
relationship to the rideway. So, I know he's right that the street looks like I think it's in the first bottom half of the ride rightway itself. I don't um I think we would need more information as far as where that road is, the street is and the infrastructure is relation to
this rideway, actual locations including where that building is, anything on your site. So, we can see for sure what would be vacated and what would not. That I don't have in the exhibit here. But the other issue too, I don't I'm not
sure how that would resolve um our concerns about vacating half about vacating any portion of this rideway. You know, there's a history here where the city tried to get back what was vacated because we saw that as a as a as a mistake.
And once you lose it, you you don't get it back. And I have to say, you know, I'm familiar with the area and, you know, our bike trails right there and so I hate to give anything up in
that area. So, sorry, Mr. Moya. Member Stok. Yeah, I'm kind of leaning that way, too. And to Mr. parach's point of view, uh, what he said about once you do give it
up, you give it up. And I'd hate to give that up because we're trying to give them, you know, being able to to potentially, you know, build out more that you guys are planning to do. I'd almost rather to kind of what the vice mayor said, I'd look into going back to
the title agency and then also looking to see about going for a variance and then going and talking to the title agency to see what you can do to potentially help recuperate some of those funds because of the situation. But to make a decision to vacate the rightway, I just don't feel like is the
best decision in this scenario, unfortunately. Thank you, member. What what a what a mess, right? Because you have a building that's unconforming and multiple different ways. You have somebody that owns Orange Street.
You know, it's I feel like I keep saying we're always punished from the sins of the past. And I feel like there's going to be more of these things that we'll need to clean up, especially as codes get updated and, you know, wetland policies get changed. So, um, we got to figure that out for sure. Vice Mayor
Cole, are we ready for a motion? Yeah, whatever you want. I would like to make a motion to deny the request to vacate the road. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion from council? Seeing
none, city clerk. Member Moscoso. Yes. Member Nelson. Yes. Mayor Connors. Yes. Vice Mayor Cole. Yes. Member Stokel. Yes. Thank you very much. Motion passes. Thank you, Mr. Moyer, for your time.
City manager, sorry, city attorney. Uh, yes. Um, we are coming to the portion of uh some ordinances and uh new business items which are quasi judicial and I would like to read the instructions on those. Um, during the
public hearing portion of the meeting, anyone wishing to speak on quasi judicial items, which in this case is the third ordinance of 10A. Um and then also the new business item uh 12A. Correct. Um persons must first sign a public hearing
agenda card and sign the oath contained thereon swearing to tell the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth. These cards are located on the table at the entrance to the chambers and should be provided to the clerk. Those speaking in favor of the request will be heard first. If you have photographs, sketches, or documents that you desire
for the city council to consider, they must be submitted into evidence and will be retained by the city. Please submit such exhibits to the city clerk. City clerk, have you received signed oath cards from persons wishing to speak before the city council swearing to tell the truth, the full truth, and nothing
but the truth? Okay. Uh staff and applicant, please ensure all witnesses that intend to speak have signed an oath card and presented it to the clerk. If there is anyone present who has not signed an oath card and wishes to speak, please submit a card at this time. Uh, city
clerk, have all agenda items been properly advertised? Okay. Um, regarding exparte communications, in the event that a council member has received an exparte communication, verbal or written, outside of the this hearing, the council member shall disclose the
identity of the person, group, or entity with whom the communication took place and the subject of the communication, including all opinions or facts discussed. Any written communication must be disclosed and made part of the record. Also, in the event that a member has conducted an investigation or site
visit or received any expert opinions regarding the quasi judicial item, said visit or opinion shall be disclosed. If written or exparte communications exists, verify that the applicant has received them and has had the opportunity to review them and is ready to proceed.
Regarding the order of the presentation, first council will receive staff's presentation followed by the presentation of the applicant. Following the applicant's presentation, the floor will be open to public comment. The applicant may make a rebuttal. Witnesses may be cross-examined by the applicant,
a party, council, or a staff representative as authorized by council. Uh, the council's decision must be based on competent substantial evidence. Um, and pursuant to Florida statute, if the council denies an application for a development permit, the council shall
state the applicable portion of the ordinance, rule, statute, or other legal authority for the denial. Thank you, city attorney, city manager. Yes, sir. Um, item 9C, which is a conditional use permit application number 2-2025,
has been withdrawn by the applicant. So, we'll move on to ordinances. first reading and that is a smallcale amendment application 6-2025 annexation of the smallcale comprehensive plan amendment and resoning of Golden Knights Boulevard
Industrial and we have three ordinances and the city attorney will read it for the record. I guess there are three ordinances here um one being the annexation, the comp plan amendment and then the resoning. The reasonzoning is a quasi judicial
item. Um, so in order uh the first one is an ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, amending section 7, chapter 63-20001, laws of Florida, special acts of 1963 by annexing certain property located south
of Golden Knights Boulevard and east of Tao Road having parcel ID numbers 23-35-02-01-star-90 and 23-35-2-1- -star-77 to be included within the city limits, providing for severability providing for
repeal of conflicting ordinances and providing for an effective date. uh for the comp plan amendment. It's an ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, amending the code of ordinances by amending ordinance number 60-1988, which adopted the comprehensive plan of
the city of Titusville by amending the future land use map by changing the land use designation on approximately 9.13 give or take acres of property located south of Golden Knights Boulevard and east of Tao Road having Bard County
parcel ID numbers 23-35-02-01- AR-90 and 23-35-02-01-star-77 from the industrial Bvard County future land use designation to an industrial city of Titusville future land use designation
providing for severability providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances and providing for an effective date and lastly the reasonzoning would be an ordinance of the city of Titusville Florida amending ordinance number 5-1 1993 of the city of Titusville by
amending the zoning map made part of said ordinance by reference to changing the light industrial IU Boulevard County zoning district to the industrial M2 zoning district on approximately 9.13
plus or minus acres of property located south of Golden Heights Boulevard and east of Tao Road having Bard County parcel ID numbers 23-35-02-01- star-90 and 23-35-02-01-star-77 providing for several providing for
repeal of conflicting ordinances and providing for an effective date. Thank you, attorney. That was that was a lot. Appreciate you. Mr. Parish. Since this is a first reading, um, okay, I can briefly go over this or I can just
answer questions. All right, city clear. All right, we did it. First reading done, city manager. Yes, sir. Moving on. There's no item 11, old business. Moving on to 12, new business.
We have one item, and that is the Harbor Lakes final plat. And the recommended action is to approve the final plat covenants and bonds for Harbor Lake subdivision located north of Knox McCrae Drive. That's a 28 acre a 28 lot single
family home subdivision. Mr. Parish, the staff reviewed the final PLA for consistency with the comprehensive plan land regulations and rend approval. Staff also reviewed the covenants of performance bonds and recommends acceptance. We do have the miler. It's in my office and it's available and
we'll have it available for signature um pending your approval. Thank you, Mr. Parish. City clerk, we have one card. It's Bruce Moy. Thank you, city clerk. Councel, I'll entertain a motion if nobody wants
to ask any questions. Member Nelson move to approve the final plat covenants and bonds for Harbor Lake subdivision. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion from council? Seeing none, city clerk,
member Nelson, yes. Mayor Connors, yes. Vice Mayor Cole, yes. Member Stokel, yes. Member Moscoso, yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much. City Manager, I believe we're at petitions and requests from the public, non-aggenda items.
Seeing none, we're on to mayor and council reports. I'll kick it off. Um, there's the Florida League of Cities Legislative Conference on December 4th and 5th. I already have to be there to
serve on the committee on December 4th. Um, for some reason they want to charge like $300 for me to go, but um, it's up to council if you would like me to attend uh the legislative conference on December 5th. So that is my ask of
y'all. Member Stokl. Yes. Um just to clarify, so this is the legislative conference. So in addition, one, you should be there because you serve on a policy committee meeting. This is where we finalize. Um and there's also sessions that you would be expected to sit in on and listen to. So
that's why um there's an additional cost. There's meals included. So in case anybody's wondering um why there is a charge for that. So, um, I would move to, uh, allow us to pay for you to go and attend and, um, would encourage, as I always say, I would like all council
members to kind of go to more Florida League cities events, um, because I think they're really beneficial. But yes, I make that motion. Second. I have, you know. Yeah. I'm sorry, guys. I just signed up to serve on a committee to give advice. I didn't realize that there was there's
a there's an add-on. So, that's how they get you. All right. I have a motion. I have a second. Um, anybody from the public would like to weigh in? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Another, we kind of
addressed it during the the wetlands and flood talking uh earlier is I was bringing up concerns about Dair Road uh just because it is a road that typically floods and we have residents to the north, but for some reason not all to the south and I just want to make sure
that we're keeping a breast to that. and um seeing if there was any way that we could ask the county to weigh in and and try to fix some of those flooding uh issues in the middle of the road. They have a a pipe on the east end near the railroad tracks near where the the
stoplight is and then also where Wind Dixie is, but that middle of the road is kind of where it's it's sinking in a little bit. Um, and I from what I've heard from residents is they came by and did some work and then it got worse. So,
I wanted to see what you guys thought about us asking the the county to see what they can do about that. City manager. Sir, I can certainly uh work with Kevin to draft a letter to send to the county manager to ask them to look at those areas that we identify as needing uh
county maintenance. Thank you very much. Member Cole, this is the No, I'm calling on about the issue on Derry Road. Remember Mscoso? Yeah, I would say I think that's a a great idea. I know that I'm in contact a lot with the county because of a lot of
the flooding and so um I think that that's definitely important. Um um but I don't know where I was going with that, so never mind. But yeah, we I mean one of the things the county is doing right now is we're having to put put in a lot of um like service
requests. they just honestly they don't have a lot of the um manpower and so um I am super thankful for our public works department because um a lot of the issues we're seeing up in the north end and it's not for the lack of them trying
um it's much harder to get someone out there and I know that here whenever I ask Kevin or um somebody from our team you know hey could you go check this out they're out there immediately working on solving that and that um that's just not um feasible right now in the me. So, it makes me very thankful for the team that
we have. I think they do a great job. It's not perfect, but I know that I can call and um and it'll be taken care of within a day or two. So, on top of that, I just wanted to give kudos to our team here in Titusville. Okay. So, do you guys want a motion or
do you want um city staff to draft up the letter and provide it back to us or how do you guys want to do it? I'll entertain whatever motion you guys make. member Nelson. I think just make the motion. Have you guys write a letter?
I don't know that it needs to come back to us. All right. I was just asking. Member Nelson makes the motion. Okay. Second. All right. I got a second by Vice Mayor Cole. Uh any public comment? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously.
Thank you very much. Uh, also something uh I provided to you all and to uh Wander for the public record is the Space Coast Transportation and Planning Organization policy positions for this upcoming legislative session. I think it's important that we all be aware of
that as we continue to uh talk with our state level uh officials uh during this next fiscal year uh given the fact that all of our major arteries in Titusville are state roads. So, we want to make sure that they're funding that
transportation trust fund appropriately. So, you guys have that. That's a non um action item. Um, something I did want to bring up is at the last council meeting, uh, Vice Mayor Cole mentioned an industrial engineer and I kind of
started doing some a little more research on that and I thought be good if we have a conversation about what that could look like for our citizens and our residents and uh, also our operational efficiencies. Um, as Doge
keeps going around and saying that they're finding all this money, I think it' probably be important for us to see what staffing levels are appropriate, where we're missing, what do we need to do to to be more efficient. Um, so that
would be my ask of of council is to entertain something that Vice Mayor Cole actually brought up at the last meeting is um looking at hiring an industrial engineer to determine our staffing level needs here in the city. Member Mscoso.
Um, Mr. Vate, is that something you're looking at right now with all of our personnel? I for one, right now I'm not uh for hiring additional staff just because of the cost. Um, but I know that you are looking at and trying to um merge some jobs together. So, I'm not I
would just like to know where you're at in that process and maybe when we would have kind of a continual process that matter of fact, I'm meeting with staff tomorrow. It's one of our discussion items is to take a look at um ways we can work more
efficiently more efficiently and and also reduce some of our FTE our our personnel costs. So, we're looking at that now. And my goal is to reduce, as I've stated publicly, to reduce our staffing levels and and reorganize. And,
you know, once I get my assistant city manager, um, which hopefully will be decision made pretty soon, I've got 94 applicants to weigh through. Um, uh, that's going to be a primary focus of that position is to look at, uh,
staffing efficiency. So, I think, you know, we're working on it right now. Thank you. Thank you, Mecoso. But just point of clarification, this isn't somebody that we hire as a full-time FTE. They're basically will, you know, like a landscape architect providing you a
plan. Uh they would provide council with a detailed breakdown of uh ways we can be more efficient, ways we can streamline and uh just be good fiduciaries of the the taxpayers's dollar. So this would not be an ongoing reoccurring expense. Member Mscoso,
is that something you feel our staff isn't capable of doing right now? I mean, I'm not against the idea. I just think our staff, our city manager knows um the resources we have, the positions we have, and I mean, it could be beneficial to bring someone else in, but I wonder if that's something we could do
in house. It sounds like you kind of already are or you're looking to do that when we have the assistant city manager. Um I certainly like the opportunity to address this with staff before we hire an outside, but uh whatever council
decides we'll we'll go with but I think we can internally um make some adjustments and efficiencies. So the the benefit of getting fresh ideas on a problem, you know, I'm not saying there is a problem, but fresh ideas uh also make people um more
efficient. you know, there could be a different way of looking at a problem that could make us more successful. I'm not saying there is a problem. I'm just saying if we do not, you know, be thinking critically, I really don't want the state to step in and do it for us.
So again, it's just companies do this all the time in the private sector. They hire folks to kind of come in and give them a different perspective on processes. And uh it's very very common practice in the private sector. Vice Mayor Cole.
Well, I brought it up uh at our last meeting and the reason I brought it up was because we're talking about a fresh set of eyes coming in. Every organization I've been involved with, including the military, I worked at a
university. I worked at the space center. We've always had a fresh set of eyes coming in. Sometimes they find ways for us to become more efficient and maybe not. Maybe this is something that we could wait on until you get your
assistant city management. You look at it, you come up with a plan and maybe your plan may be a good plan, but I would still like a fresh set of eyes to look at it to make sure, you know, it may you may need additional personnel.
We may have people that we have to move around, but that's that that was the purpose of my suggestion. Thank you, Vice Mayor Cole. Member Nelson, I'd certainly give Tom the chance to look at it first.
So, I'm not ready to do it right now. Maybe in the future, just not right now. Thank you, Member Nelson. Member Stokel. Yeah, I I definitely think I would be in favor of it um as well because I do think in in various uh roles that I've
had, we've done similar items. Um I do agree though, I think Tom hasn't even been in the role a year yet. Um we need an assistant and I feel like I'd like to get him like situated before somebody else comes in and maybe kind of interjects themselves into what Tom might already try to be doing. Um, I
think it would be more cost-effective for us to wait until Tom kind of figures out what he thinks will work for him and then have somebody come in and say, "Oh, this is great what you've done, but now we can elevate it." But if you're paying somebody and then Tom's also trying to do it at the same time, I think that it would be a waste of money at this point.
Um, I will say also to that effect, I think it's really timely that we keep it on our radar just because of Doge. um different speeches that I hear and interact with with people running for office in positions that impact us at the state level. Um, a lot of the
discussion is on when I mentioned like flooding issues to for instance state state officials. You know, I'm concerned about this. Well, some of the responses I get back, well, maybe if we had more efficient permitting process because if it takes, you know, an applicant to apply here and then by the time they
issued their CO, it's been a year, well, obviously there's going to maybe be flooding concerns because that wasn't taken into effect. And so, I I know that the state is looking at certain things from a different lens. And I think that it we need to be mindful of that. And then not to mention the property tax
discussion which will continue. And again I think the mindset there is there is a lot of waste happening at the local level. And so I think that it's very important for us and I know Tom's already doing this for us to be very proactive and seeing what we can do
ourselves. Um it's just good practice. I think that we want to do that as a board anyway. So, um, then we can give, I think, a more accurate and true representation of, you know, this is where we're at. This is what we've done. We're operating at capacity. Um, this is
how much we need to operate as a municipality. And so, if you do this, keep this in mind. We will need x amount of funding and so we can give truer numbers. But all that to say, in summary, um, I definitely want to do this at some point. Um, I just don't think now's the time to do it.
Thank you, members, and I appreciate everybody's feedback. I just thought it was interesting when, you know, again, vice mayor brought that up last meeting. It it really kind of I had to think about that and process it, digest it, and I just didn't want it to be something that was kind of in one ear and out the other. I wanted us to have a
a discussion about it. So, I thank you for that. And that is my report. So, Vice Mayor Cole, you want to go next? Sure. I just wanted to share experience that I had on Saturday. I had the honor
of going up on the Honor flight to Washington DC. They ran out of World War II veterans. So now they're on Vietnam veterans. But the experience was it was a long experience. I was up for 22 hours. We left had to be in Melbourne at
3:00 in the morning. Uh we were greeted by Congressman Herodopoulos and a couple of other elected officials for our sendoff. Our send off got a cannon from the fire truck on the airplane. We had a chartered airplane to take us up to DC.
We spent the entire day in DC going to all the memorials. Uh we returned back to Melbourne at uh about 9:304 to 10 on Sunday. Oh, I'm sorry, Saturday. Same day.
As we walked out of the terminal, there were over a thousand people in the Melbourne airport terminal that greeted us. They greeted us with flowers. They greeted us with handshakes. They hugged us. And it was just it was amazing. And
I contrast that to in June of and I'm sorry, August of 1971 when I returned from Vietnam. Uh my buddy and I were walking down the streets of San Francisco with our
uniforms on and we were called names, we were spit on and everything. Uh it was which was a depressing time and it was it doesn't seem that it was until 911 that
our entire population recognized the military and recognized it. Although the Vietnam veterans served in Vietnam, uh it was because what we were directed to do. Uh whether you believed in the war or you didn't, it didn't make a
difference. If you're in the military, you do what your bosses tell you to do. But it was such I mean, I couldn't believe all these people came out at 10:00 on a Saturday night to greet some old guys coming back. And you should
there wasn't a dry eye among us as we walked through that crowd. And there were also elected officials that were in the crowd that greeted us back. So I mean that was I would think one of the highlights of my life and I really
enjoyed it. I just wanted to share. Thank you. Vice Mayor Cole, who would like to go next? Member Nelson. I will. So, since we're writing letters to the county, um
I had a conversation about two weeks ago with one of our school board members and what he was telling me was in 2007, he ran an environmental club at his
school and they tested the water around Port St. John. 10 places. All of it came back with feces. Yeah, I had that same reaction.
And I was like talking to Kevin and Sandy, the capacity of the sewer treatment in Port St. John is at capacity.
Um the county says, "Oh, no, no." but is at capacity. We have over 4,000 septic tanks in Port St. John. And we know from listening to Dr. Kobe,
they leech um talking to Katie Delaney, I understand the county has checked all the sewer pipes. They're not leaking. So the question would be where all those
feces coming from and has I think we I would ask that we in talking to the county commissioners encourage them to hurry up with a sewer
treatment plant and also to test the water around Fort St. John. I mean, this is 20 almost 20 years ago. I doubt it's gotten better. And I think of me as a kid. I'm sure Herman and
Sarah, Megan, Andrew, we all as kids, it rains. We run out and play in the puddles. We play in the ponds. And if those are polluted, to me, that's a danger.
So, while we're writing letters, can we write another letter and say, "Please look at this. Please test it. Um, please, you have a sewer treatment plant on the books,
but it's supposed to take 10 years to get it." And 10 years is just to me way too long. Can I ask a question? What sewer treatment plan are you referring to that'll be online in 10
years? The county is planning one in Port St. John. Are you talking the regional wastewater treatment plant? No. Okay. Just another one. It would be nice to have the regional wastewater treatment plant. Um because
sea level rise that would include Merit Island Space Center. Um, so that would be the best option. Um, so if we I would love to have us write write a letter and say, "Hey guys,
this is this might be a problem. Let's work on it. What do you guys think?" Member Stokel. Yeah, I had a question you may not know the answer to. So, if they're at capacity, are they not approving any more development because they're at
capacity or like how does that work? According to a friend who lives down there, they are still building. Okay. So, everybody has to be on a septic tank, but everyone has to be on septic, but then we're trying to phase out septic,
so that doesn't make sense either. No, we we the state the state is trying. That's where it's I'm like surprised by this. Um, no, I'm so talking to Kevin and Sandy.
They were putting pipes in. They've got plans and when they finish those plans, we should be down to 100 septic tanks in Port St. John. It's going up. So, it upset me. One
because it's bad for the environment. But I'm like, we're putting all this money into fixing our infrastructure, upgrading our sewer system, and you know what Dr. Jacobe said, it's like having a sewer spill every day.
So, what are you wanting in this letter exactly? More information that they give us or for us to direct them to do something? What are you thinking? More like we would suggest that you do these things? We would ask that you consider doing these things. Uh
we think these things are important. Did you want to include Mims while you're at it? Did you want to include Mims? We could include MIMS. Believe their wastewater treatment plant, but Mims is having a hard time, too. Yeah.
Okay. No, I'm I'm in favor of that. Vice Mayor Cole. Yeah. Is it possible you think that we could all join in on this? I mean, I don't know how near capacity we are, and I probably should know that. Megan, you
probably know that. But if if we do this and we're saying, "Dear Katie or dear county commission, here's what we're doing. We're willing to work with you on it." And maybe there is something that we could put a big sewage treatment plant that would be
would help us also. Well, I figure at the rate they're going, it's going to take 15 years. So, in 15 years, I can't count. In 15 years, we might need to join. So I mean seriously
there is a concerted effort amongst the EDC and several space Florida uh to design build regional waste water treatment plant. However, we're very very long way from that at
this point in time. Even if the county secured a hundred million dollars in Department of Defense funding, they're still about $900 million short because it would probably take a billion with the B level of of funds. So,
it's it's tough tough road to hope, but hopefully we can uh just put it on their radar that, you know, we have some some concerns and hopefully we can work together to a solution. Member Mscoso. Yeah, I would say um perhaps before we
send a letter just finding out what the capacity is. I mean a lot of times people say we can't build in Titusville. We don't have the capacity and then we get the information from Kevin and we do. And so I do know that there are there are issues but perhaps we ask what
is the capacity? What are your plans for the future? And then how can we support you um as Titusville to move forward? I don't want to um point fingers and say, "Hey, your water's dirty. We're trying to clean ours up. You're not doing that." So, I just like to make maybe make sure we get the information first
and then say, you know, how can we help you or what what what are your plans? How can we move that forward? Um because I I don't know that information. I don't know how much development's going on there either. Yeah, I I agree totally with you. I you know I'm thinking we can't direct the
county to do anything and I I think our letter should be one that this is a concern that we have and I totally agree with what you just said. How can we help with this situation rather than hey you got I want to say something else but feal
matter in your water. Yeah. Uh you know let's let's get together and come up with some kind of plan that we can help each other. Yeah. That sounded like a motion and a second to me. Did to me, too.
All right. So, I have a motion and a letter for or motion and a second for a letter of words of encouragement. Yes. All right. Yeah. Member Stokel, did you want to clarify that? Yeah, just clarifying. Yeah. More of a
letter of uh concern and we would like to know what is going on and how we can help. All right. I have a motion. I have a second. Any discussion from the general public? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you
very much. So, I'll add one more thing. This is good. This is good. So, nanobubbles, we're headed headed forward. We are making good progress. We've done
site survey. We uh are finalizing the contract with the vendor. It it should be done this week. I'll uh I'll uh send a copy over to Laura Lee for her since she is the benefactor of this. Yeah. And um you know, we're we're on the uh
the short runway to getting nanobubbles installed in the marina for six months. So, do we have a a party for turning the machine on? A flip the switch party? You should have champagne.
Does that conclude your report? Yes. All right, Member Stol. Yep. Just a couple items. Um, one just more forformational as we're thinking about property tax things that I'm hearing at the state level. Um, some ways that people might be looking at this if we're not eliminating them. A I
think a viable solution that might be proposed is raising the exemption. So maybe homestead exemption gets raised to 300,000 for instance. So I think what we could do proactively to see how many of our residents are homesteaded already and then so we can have real numbers and data potentially available to the
Florida League of Cities just to show what does that mean? Like that's a good idea in theory, but this is what you know how much uh we would be potentially losing. Um, another thing that has been mentioned, I've heard this now twice,
um, is kind of setting our budget and then working with the property appraiser to see kind of what they set property values at and then working with the tax collector to then set the millillage. And so we ensure that whatever we request, that is what whatever we say we
need, that is what we get. So we don't get maybe an excess midyear. It's that is your that is what you said you needed. that is all you're getting. Um, I've heard that idea thrown around as well. Um, and then the other thing I wanted to bring up, I saw on it looks like on our Facebook page, we posted
four days ago that we're looking for an assistant city attorney. And I think our discussion before was that we wanted to wait until we we actually had our our city attorney here and then talk about whether or not we want an assistant city attorney or do we want to hire on a firm
because that was a part of a discussion that we had um to kind of focus on very specific items. So that I I just wanted to clarify with that because I saw that posting out there. Um that I I think that was our direction that we were kind of going to wait until our city attorney
started maybe talking with her and then kind of figuring out what might be the best course um moving forward financially. That was kind of what I recall from our council meeting. Um our recollection and we looked at the minutes there was discussion about
outsourcing hybrid or sticking to the current. Uh the reason it was advertised was to start getting in resumes because they flow in slowly um and to give Miss Treasure something to look at. Okay. Nobody can be hired without coming to
you. That's under the charter that you hire assistant city attorneys as well. Um so nothing was going to be done without your, you know, approval. It was just trying to get ahead of the curve a little bit. Um and and since there according to the
minutes anyway, there was no firm decision not to go this route um it it was just something that was being explored. So um so yes, absolutely. I know Miss Treasure is planning on having that conversation with all of you um about about how she foresees uh her
tenure and what what her needs will be in the office. So Okay. I just wanted to me that I I thought that was confusing because I didn't think that we had yet said that that's what we wanted to do. Like I know for me personally, I wanted to talk to our new city attorney about it and some ideas and kind of before we said that
we're for certain going to go that route because we had thrown around the idea of potentially having a firm kind of help supplement looking at the overall budget for the city attorney's office and and and that will be involved because not only do you have to look at the options but also the expense and
like we talked about before, you know, outsourcing that backup will will cost probably more. But again, that's your decision ultimately and that and that discussion is going to be had with you before any anything's done. So,
okay. Thank you for that clarification. Does that conclude your report? Thank you. And to speak to that, I I did ask Mr. Bate if he could give me um how much we've spent in legal fees the past six months, and it's very eye opening. And so I don't know if you don't if you
don't mind sending it to everyone and then you can kind of have an idea of how much outsourcing has cost and I know that we've been in a really special situation but it's really helpful to to see how um how expensive it gets. Um and then I have a really quick report. Um
somebody asked me to share and I thought this was great. We had a student from Astronaut High School bowl a perfect 300. Um his name is Lincoln Moyer and this was back in September but I just wanted to congratulate him. Perfect. 300. That's amazing. Yeah. So,
congratulations, Lincoln. I know I've only done it once or twice, but thank you very much, city manager. Yes, sir. Just before I go on to city manager report, I just wanted to um take
a moment to um relate to you back what happened back in 2008 2009. uh mayor had a discussion with council member Stokl about looking at efficiencies and reducing back then we actually formed a tiger team um and we went from 500 to
430 people over a course of a couple of years so we actually got all the departments we reorganized we did it ourselves so um I think you know I'm gonna and as assistant city manager I chaired that Tiger team and I can tell
you the incoming assistant city manager will be also chairing that. So, we're going to take a stab at it and and and certainly if council directs us to hire some a third party, we can incorporate that or or or take that as a lead if we're not
able to make any headway, but we're we're we're on it. Thank you, city manager. And anything else in your report that you want? Yes, sir. I just need um we have uh one action item on the city management report. We need to set a date for the
special meeting um for the CDBG. That's where the nonprofit agencies come in and give you their pitch as to why they would request funding for their various uh um endeavors. And we have uh three different dates for council to pick. Um
and then we'll incorporate that into a meeting. And then we'll come back um after those nonprofits do their presentations to council back in January after they're scored and evaluated with recommendations for allocating the CDBG
funding. But we need to set dates for the initial presentations. Well, yeah, the dates are in the city manager report. Um November 20th, December 2nd, and December 4th, all at 5:30. Uh, one's a Thursday, Tuesday or
Thursday and um for council to decide which date they would like to uh select. Well, December 4th is out because we just agreed to send me and we already agreed to send member Stokeold to the Florida League of Cities annual conference. So, the fourth is a no-go
for at least two fifths of us. Um, how does the second's the best for me, I will say. Yeah, second works good for me. Perfect. All right, we agreed the second. Second. Yes, sir. The other items are justformational and I believe the city
attorney has one item for action. City attorney. Uh, nothing except for thanking you for, uh, you know, allowing me to work with you. I've really enjoyed and special session. Oh, is that on that too? Oh, yeah. I'll
get to that. See, I was skipping over that because I Yeah, that's going to be Miss Treasures's problem. No. Um, I'm sorry. There there is an agenda item there uh a memo uh asking for uh executive session for a litigation matter uh in the estate of Lowry. Um and
uh that will be set through through staff on a date that's convenient to all of you. But according to the state statute, uh the request needs to be made at a public meeting. That's what I'm doing now. and it will be for uh as authorized by statute for litigation
strategy and and expenses of litigation. So, member Stokel. Yep. To clarify, are you just looking for approval that we are going to have an executive sess session because there's been another email that's come around requesting a date for it and I
don't think we all have come to an agreement right on that date or are you asking for that date as well tonight? No, not asking for the date. what the statute requires and it's it's strangely worded but it says that the city attorney needs to make just a request. Okay. Um publicly that that an executive
session is necessary. The date will be set uh you know. Okay. And uh and there will need to be a public notice because just like the one we had a few weeks ago, it'll have to start in a public session. Okay. Retire to the private session and then come back to the public session and that
will need to be noticed like any other public meeting. Um so the date will eventually be advertised once we have it set. Uh this is just getting your permission to uh get that process going. So to move to have an executive session
regarding the current case. Yes. Would be my motion. Have a motion. Second. Have a motion and I have a second. Any comments from the public? Seeing none. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. And again,
Jim, did you want to still talk? Well, no. And just just thanking you and and uh it's it's been enjoyable. And I know you all know that Miss Treasure is here, so I'd like to uh you know, call her out because I told her she wouldn't last the night without being called out. So
um and uh she's she's been around unofficially this week, uh but getting up to speed and meeting with the city manager and department heads and stuff and uh she is definitely in, you know, ready to hit the ground running. Um, and I'm I'm confident that you'll be very
well represented. Um, uh, there are still a few of the longer term projects that I want to finish up and I have told her I would stay as a as a resource for her as well. U, but some of those projects like the 501c3 we talked about, the council rules we talked about,
because of there was so much going on, those constantly got back burnered. But now I'll be able to uh to get those and and discuss them with her and get those to you uh pretty soon. So, thank you very much. Mr. Stokes, did you want to say something?
Oh, please come to the podium. You got three. You got three minutes. Oh, we just got that. All right. No. Uh, no. I just wanted to publicly one, I'm happy to be here and I I'm excited to start the job and hit the job running. I have been here a couple
times just meeting with legal staff and meeting with some staff members here and everyone's been wonderful, warm and welcoming and I'm super excited. But I also wanted to extend just a thank you publicly to Jim um for what for you know being a placeholder he says but I think
mo so much more in representing the city of Titusville and being your legal counsel and he's been um a resource for me and has gotten me here as well. So I thank him for that and I just wanted to publicly thank him for for representing the city in the way he has. Thank you.
Thank you very much treasure. We look forward to working with you. Seeing no other b business, can I have a motion to adjurnn? So moved. Thank you.