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regulation. >> Good evening everybody. Welcome to the city of Titusville City Council special recognitions and presentations meeting January 29th, 2026 at 5:30. Call this meeting to order for an invocation. We'll have a moment of silence.
>> Thank you very much. Please stand for the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the stands nation for all. Thank you very much. CA attorney, do we
have a quorum? >> Yes, we do. >> Thank you, city manager. >> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and city council. The first item on this evening's agenda is the department spotlight on the support services department. This is an ongoing yearly um
presentation that we have. Each month we'll we'll highlight a different department and it'll provide information on the staffing and the accomplishments and resources needed to run each city department. And Mr. Kevin Cook, our assistant city manager, will go ahead
and introduce this item. >> Good evening. if we could get uh the video pulled up, but this was produced by our in-house staff from community relations and we'll highlight the support services department. Welcome to the city of Titusville support services department. Support
services is the beating heart of the city and is responsible for supplying the city departments with the means and resources to meet their goals and objectives, allowing them to serve Titusville citizens in the best way possible. Operating out of city hall, the department is divided into eight divisions, each with their own
responsibilities and skills. This video will provide a brief look at some of the biggest accomplishments our team achieved in fiscal year 2025. Up first is our customer service division. Hi everyone, I'm Carrie Batty and I oversee the customer service department. The customer [music] service department is
responsible for the billing and payment processing for over 22,000 customers. [music] We always strive to provide the best possible experience to the citizens. >> Our staff starts and stops utility services, answers billing questions, resolves customer issues, and handles
fieldwork such as reconnects and data logs. Last year, we worked with over 8,400 walk-in customers and processed [music] over 95,000 payments. We also found 65 stuck meters and completed adjustments to recover the lost revenue [music] of over 31,000.
Each month, our specialists field approximately 1,400 emails and answer 2,150 phone calls. Meanwhile, our field services supervisor is constantly on the move, testing over 140 meters, investigating 96 utility tampering
cases, and analyzing 600 data logs last year. Next is our purchasing and contracts division. >> Hello, [music] my name is Tracy Bailey. I am the purchasing and contracting manager for the city of Titusville. Our team helps support citywide [music] departments in efficient, effective, and
economical acquisition [music] of all services and goods purchased by the city of Titusville. This year, the department has continued to transform its operations into a driven strategic procurement operation with a focus at the enterprise level. While complying with federal
regulations, Florida statutes, and city policies [music] and ordinances, the department goes beyond compliance to actively pursue opportunities to increase revenue. Last year, through competitive bidding and strong negotiations, the department achieved $911,000 in savings on awarded bids.
Additional revenue [music] was generated with more than $11,000 coming from surplus sales, $47,000 from negotiated discounts, $18,000 from purchase card rebates, $7,000 from Lowe's rebates, and $4,000 from Amazon rebates. As the
industry shifts towards national and regional cooperative purchasing, procurement has established a systematic process to assess the value of each cooperative contract compared to self-conducted procurements. This approach has resulted [music] in cost-saving opportunities, improved time efficiency, and expanded access to
resources. Up next, our information technology or IT division. >> Hi, my name is Justin Kenny and I'm the IT director for the city of Tedville. Our goal is for all employees to have access to the hardware [music] and software necessary to effectively do their jobs. >> The IT division maintains the city's
servers, switches, computers, phone, and software systems. Some of it's responsibilities include the city's enterprise resource planning system, the police and fire dispatch, record systems and phone systems, training materials and instruction [music] for employees on cyber security and all other systems at
the city. Just a few of [music] it's accomplishments for fiscal year 2025 include created new network node for station 14, internet, phones, Wi-Fi, etc. Move city buildings to new access control system. Update switch protocol for city for more reliability [music]
and uptime. Replaced or purchased 124 computers throughout the city for fiscal year 25. Moved all equipment and network needs to new public works admin building. Fire record system update requiring new hardware to all field units. Now, here's a look at our special projects division.
>> My name is Heather Kenny and I'm the special projects coordinator for the city. The special projects office oversees a variety of tasks ranging from grants to administrative policy. Some of the regular tasks of the special projects office include grants management [music] and monitoring,
mentoring candidates in the lean six sigma program, maintaining administrative policy, and annual and quarterly performance measurement and reporting. The special projects coordinator is the point of contact for the historic Pritchard House as well as various ancillary projects and events.
In addition, the office coordinates planning and funding for disaster recovery and hazard mitigation, serving on the county's local mitigation steering committee and emergency management teams and acts as the city's liaison to FEMA and the Florida Department of Emergency Management. A few of special projects significant
accomplishments include securing over $760,000 in disaster recovery and mitigation funding obligations through FEMA's public assistance programs, coordinating the 2025 red, white, and boom fireworks and July 4th community celebration event, development of the
government efficiency challenge program set to launch in early 2026. Next is our finance department. >> My name is Terry Butler and I am the finance director for the city of Titusville. [music] This department is responsible for recording and reporting all financial activities in the city. Let's take a
look at what the finance department does. >> Consisting of 12 full-time employees, the department is responsible for all of the city's financial activities, including accounting, payroll, financial statement preparation, budget preparation, debt management, cash and treasury management, and grant
compliance. This year, the department enrolled 97 vendors in the city's electronic payment program, creating significant savings. They also successfully adopted the FY26 budget and trim compliance and collected over $244,000 in outstanding [music] utility, storm
water leans, research charges, and fire line charges collections. FY25 also marked the 41st consecutive year being awarded the certificate of achievement for excellence in financial reporting. The Government Financial Officers Association [music] awards this certificate as the highest form of
recognition in the area of government accounting and financial reporting and its attainment represents a significant accomplishment by the government and its management. Up next is our community relations division. >> Hi, I'm Curtis Corwin, the acting community relations manager for the city of Titusville. The community relations
division is responsible for the public outreach of the city and we also provide many services to both staff and the public. Community relations manages audiovisisual support, television broadcasting, graphic design, video production, social media, and the [music] city website. Following the
retirement of former community relations manager Jim Thomas after 27 years, the department is currently undergoing a strategic restructuring, allowing us to focus on transparency, community outreach, [music] and department support. Our video production team produced nearly triple the number of video projects over the past fiscal
year. And our Talking Points magazine continues to be massively popular as it enters its 10th year. We broadcast over 80 government meetings a year, which now includes both the Titusville Environmental Commission and Board of Adjustments and Appeals. Social media has been a major focus this past year with [music] content publication
doubling and our overall follower counts going up by 21.7%. Next is our human resources division. Hi, I'm Joe Dairo, human resources director for the city of Titusville, [music] and I'm proud to introduce you to our team of uh HR professionals
serving our employees of the city of Titusville. The many services provided by human resource include human resources information system management, personnel records archiving, employee health center, healthcare benefits for active employees, dependents [music] and
retirees who are premedare and Medicare eligible, and wellness services, employee assistance program services, workers compensation and risk management, training, [music] union contract negotiations, pay and compensation and retirement, staffing, employee onboarding and offboarding, and
employee recognition. internships and summer youth program coordination and tuition assistance program coordination. Several of the human resources key accomplishments during the 2025 fiscal year include employment law compliance training for over 50 leadership team members.
Supervisory training to over 15 current and emerging supervisors across the city's workforce. A successful employee health fair with over 20 vendors and 300 employees in attendance. Another successful summer youth initiative internship program [music] for 20 interns over eight weeks. training for our self-funded workers compensation
program and recruitment for several positions including city [music] manager, city attorney, and assistant city attorney. And finally, the Titusville Marina. Located less than a mile north of city hall, the Titusville Marina is a [music] full-ervice boating destination overseen by F3 Marina
Management. The marina boasts 200 slips, moing opportunities for daily and monthly renters, and a boater's indoor and outdoor lounge. The marina's other amenities include newly renovated restrooms, Wi-Fi, pumpout service at the dock and a pumpout vessel, security gates, boers workshop, and a boater's
gift shop. The marina is open year round and averages a 94 to 100% occupancy rate during the busy season. Last year, we paved and striped the south parking lot, purchased new computers, purchased new motors for our pumpout boat through a D grant, and hired Edgewater [music] Resources to assist with dock repairs
through FEMA. We were also awarded elite fleet status by marinas.com. Only 2% of marinas in the US [music] are awarded this status which recognizes the marinas that consistently provided an excellent home for the boating community throughout the year. Support services would like to thank Tom
Abate for over 20 years of service leading the department as the assistant city manager. As Mr. Abate steps into his new role as city manager. We are thrilled to welcome former public works director Kevin Cook into the role as we look to the future with enthusiasm and confidence. Support services. There's no
department quite like it. With our dedicated [music] workforce of city staff, there's no challenge we can't overcome and we look forward to serving our community into 2026 and beyond. >> Thank you very much. I can tell you I was very confused there for a second. I thought the video was over. I was
showing you. you. I'm like, that's not the tie you're wearing. They were showing you guys right there. I had to look see what color tie Kevin was wearing. Any questions for city manager? >> All right, city manager. >> Next item up is the Boulevard County
Parks and Recreation North area budget and our outstanding North Bard Parks operations manager, Mr. Jeff Davis, will give a presentation on this year's budget. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. No applause. No applause. No applause. Listen, no matter how many times I do
this, I'm always nervous in the very very beginning. Um, so I apologize if I um >> you got a photograph. >> Oh Lord, got him on on the It's my younger brother, Michael Kador. He's a city councilman um for the city of Rock Lledge. Um
>> and I do take privilege in bragging about me um developing him to become that person that he is now today. >> Um >> you take credit for that. >> Yeah. Good evening to everyone. Good evening um distinguished city council um
honorable mayor Andrew Connors. Um I provided um a list that's a poor you can't see that very well from here but do you have a cop you all have a cop copy of this? >> If you don't I have a copy to give to you.
>> Okay. Okay, >> I was told I only had 10 minutes to actually um do this presentation, so I'll get directly to it and be very very brief. Um whatever um I don't cover or don't have an answer for, I brought business cards. You're welcome to give
me a call so we can get those um questions answered for you. Um we're going to start with the uh Marina Park and the actual dollar amount spent at Marina Park um and the actual um things that were done with the the costs that were associated with that. Uh we replaced um
and and new construction of new three new pavilions at um Marina Park at a cost of $37,000. We did replacement of damaged shade cover at um at the dog park at a cost of 8,000. replaced our park entry sign at a
price of 7,118. We overseed the dog area um to make sure that the dogs had um nice grass to run and play in. Uh contracted mowing for that area um is about 15 um,000 there 38 cuts a year um which is equivalent to
about 15,700. Total cost $524,000 870 and cost for maintaining Marina Park. Now, what I've done with this, I've actually divided these parks up. Um there are 44 parks that are my responsibility um in in North North
Boulevard. Um there are eight that are city-owned, county maintained. So, I'm just going to cover the ones that are um that are specific to the um to the city of Titusville. Um Sandp Point Park replacing the construction of six medium pavilions at a price of $51,000. Now, if you've not seen um some of the
work that's been done, I encourage you to do so. Um our staff um um take a lot of pride in um making sure that our parks are well represented. Replacement of six small pavilions at a cost of 233,543.
Replacement of playground equipment at a cost of 22 238,794. These some big numbers. I can't even count this high. Um restoration of shoreline which is about 161,266. Installation of new maintenance building
at a price of 42,620. Installation of pavers um at the Monrose um restrooms at a cost of um 1,600. Renovations of North Bavar restrooms at a price of 34,771. Replacement of entrance park at a price
of 4,564. Replacement of existing um uh exercise equipment. Uh we replaced um all the all the equipment at a cost of $131,000 um that they're still working on that's not um quite completed at this point.
Total of of expenditures in this park is u 1,350,668. Space View Park contract mowing. Uh there are 40 cuts of contract mowing at this park at a cost a year of about $1,500. replace from the park entrance sign um 6,600
and a total cost at spent at space um view is um 8,130. Bland Park replacement of black uh playground with 117,414. Installation of new exercise equipment at Blandon was um at a price of 42,441.
Resurfacing of the basketball court came in at about um 11 a little over $11,000. Contracting mowing for that area is about 38 cuts, 55 a cut is about 2,000. Total expenditures um at Blaton Park,
Bllandon Park [snorts] was one 173,062. Isaac Campbell Park replacement of um Spring Rocker playgrounds at a cost of $1,400. Removal of wall in the community center. There's quite a bit of work that's being done um at the request of the community to be done at um um at at
Isaac Campbell and we're working with the city um concerning u meeting those expectations for the citizens of that area. Um renovate restrooms and community center pavilion 198,682 replacement of flooring um in the community center at a price of 14,829.
Replacement of drop ceilings in the community center um 37,625 installation of new storage shed 9,000 contract mowing at a cost of $240 per cut 38 cuts is 9,120
total cost expenditures at Isaac Campbell 285,777 Worff Park uh contract mowing is all we do at Wor Park um and anything else um there's some other projects that are um up and coming but we Uh I'm not at
liberty to talk about those projects yet because they're still in discussion. Total um expenditures at Gustaf Park is 26,035. North Pard Walking Trail. Now there are two areas of the the North Pard Walking Trail. Um there's an area that's about a
half a mile and that's off of Holder and Dair and u basically we just make sure that that area stays cleared. Uh the majority of the cost associated with um North Bavar walking trail is the actual trail that goes from um Bardi County to um to is it Blushia? Blushia County
approximately 11 11 um 11 to 12 miles. Um contract mowing for that for that for those two areas is 48,341. The tightest for veterans memorial um fishing pier total expenditures there was a thou 136,58063.
um hurricane damage um to that area. It's a lot sounds like it's a lot of money, but there was some hurricane damage to the shoreline that um we had to take care of. Some of that money will be um reimburseed through um through FEMA. Some of it won't um but we had to go ahead and take and take care of that
um um to get it to get it taken care of. Now, the total expenditures that I've calculated is is 2,530 U 53066. Um those are the total costs for just the eight parks um in Titusville. Now the second document that I provided to you was the actual document that
actually gives you a comparison of last year's um last year's revenue and total expenses. But then there's a third document. Well, I'll get to that later. But back to this document, you'll see that the total MSTU um city tax dollars in 2425 was 1,365926.
Um and the total expenses and you see the outline expenses were 2,124 342 um which was um um the county had to actually add to um supplement this um in an amount of 616,284.
The third document that I have is regarding um comparisons of the previous years, but now this is all of our parks. This is not just the parks in Titusville. It's all the parks um in in in the north area. We have a about a $15 $15 million budget. Um our current um if
you look at the comparison, you see the comparisons um um from 2023 to uh 22 22 to 23, 23 to 24, 24 to 25. And you'll see there's a steady in incline um every year. Where I see the incline um um
being the most hefty is in when our capital improvement pro um um programs, the capital improvement expenses that are involved. Um this past year we spent um a little over five almost $6 million in capital improvements. Um that pretty much covers all of the the numbers
concerning our parks. Um wanted to kind of close with um a thank you to um the support that I get from the city of Titusville. It has been my pleasure to serve in this capacity as um as um operations manager. This is home
for me. Um um a lot of you guys know I I grew up in Titusville, 1979, graduate from Titusville High School, went off to college and came back um and was given the privilege of working as a public servant all these years. My first almost 20 years was as a probation officer. My
next um ex almost 18 going on 19 years now has been in this capacity. Um and I just want to thank the city council for all the hard work that you do. Um I'll miss you when I retire. I was sharing with the officer earlier that I um received a promotion and the promotion
was not from um um from a job. Um I've been promoted from um um dad to granddad. I have two grandchildren and I'm looking very very much forward to um the time that I'll be able to spend with my grandchildren. Um so you guys got me for one more year. Um after that I have
to have pass the torch on to someone else. Um that concludes my presentation. Any questions? >> Thank you so much Mr. Davis. It's been a pleasure working with you uh for I don't know the last eight or nine years or so and just seeing your work and your team. I know you guys do a great job and I
really appreciate you and and when you're gone we're definitely going to fill that void. So, thank you for everything that you do. Um member Mscoso, >> thank you. Yes. Um you've been so responsive every time I've had questions um and you've gotten back to me. So, I I
really appreciate it. I appreciate you getting this document to me. Um, I will say I have been asking for this information for quite a few months. Um, I'm kind of new at this, so it takes me a little bit of time to understand things. But lucky for you, I forgot all
of my notes at home, but I still have some questions. [laughter] So, you're off the hook for a few of them. I will say, um, our interlocal agreement with, um, BAR County has, uh, it started in 1992 and it's evergreen, meaning it's just continues to renew.
Now, if you look at the other cities, um they always have a clear end date where they review. So, I I'm thinking that could be something we might want um to eventually um look at. Um but as I was looking at these numbers, because that was one of the questions I had is, okay,
how much money is Titusville actually getting from um from this from the um MSTU? And so, I thank you for providing that. And then how much are we spending on our parks? And what I I really would love would be more of a breakdown of
okay, this is what project we're working on. This is where we're at in the project and this is when it will be complete because I don't really have any clue what projects were we're working on. Um like you said before, there are some I mean you mentioned there's a
difference of over $600,000 and it sounds like the county is just are they eating that money? I mean and and why is that? It's been that way since we've um since I've been here. There was some discussion about um the city taking over this project. I I strongly u discourage
it because you guys would actually take on a responsibility of of having to develop your own recreational department and it is it is quite um um costly to to do what we do. Um I have a 80 plus member team and know we're we're equipped and ready ready to do what's
necessary in our parks. >> And I I appreciate that. I mean you have a huge job over 40 parks. That's a lot. Um that number was just concerning is that we're not bringing enough an in enough to pay for these expenses. And so it got me looking at some of the parks
and you know what is something we talk about um supporting our youth and so what is something that we could do at some of these parks um you know I moved over from Ovido and that area and they've got some beautiful parks there but they do have uh they pull in a lot
of money because of different services they provide and um I know you only have a year left but that could be something that we start thinking about not just uh revenue but providing those services and I know we do that um Isaac Campbell I mean I can see they're bringing in
$44,000. Um they're bringing in $44,000 but we're spending over half a million dollars and I know that that's some improvements as well. Um, but uh there's some other parks that really aren't bringing anything in. And I know that that might not be the goal is to bring in money, but I just think we need to
start looking forward of how we're going to support our youth. And we've got these beautiful parks um and how can we what we can do and and I want to I want to know how we can work better with uh your team to make sure those things are happening. It looks like or it feels
like to me right now we're like here you go. and I appreciate it and you guys have done a wonderful job and you've taken care of everything, but how can we get more involved to make sure that the goals we have for our community like youth sports and youth activities um are actually happening. How can we support
you with that? Because I can tell you I haven't done that and I wanted to do that. >> A couple of ways we actually have an advisory board, t city of Titus advisory board. Um I would encourage you um showing up to one of those boards and actually just presenting to the um to the advisory board some of the things that you'd like to see done in the area.
Um, Mayor Connor is is a member of that board. Um, and and it's effective because we have um each person's assigned a park. Each um advisory board member is assigned a park. Their responsibility is to go out and actually evaluate those parks before um we meet again, bring that information back so we
can have some discussion. Um it's problematic because we only get an hour to do that. So you can't um Rome was not built that quickly. So we can't get everything done um with within that in that or discuss everything within that in that hour. But it's that would be the the first step. Also, just your genuine
concern about what's going on with u with with our kids. Um our mission statement, the park's mission statement is to um um um enhance the quality of life of the visitors um and residents of Bavar County through recreational leisure activities. That's important and
that's that all my team um is is on that page as far as making that happen. But some things are um financially impossible. What we do try to meet most of those expectations. >> Absolutely. And I have seen more u movies in the parks and things like that. So, thank you for putting those
things on. Um it doesn't go unnoticed. Um so, thank you very much. >> Okay. Whatever is needed, I'm we're we're willing. Y'all get in contact with me. >> Uh thank you very much. And I think the big challenge and we've talked about this for a long time serving on that board is, you know, kind of the loss of
North Control in a way because once Northwest Parks couldn't have its own social media. Yeah. >> It was kind of hard to get the message out there to the community. Uh that that was really discouraging because I kind of stopped following the North Parks because I don't care about events happening in Coco. No offense, you know,
Dr. Gdor, but you know, I'm not going to put those on my calendar, right? So, um, I think if we had the ability to, you know, get that message out there a little bit more, it might make it a little bit more effective, but I know that's above above the pay grade. >> Yeah. Well, Mayor Connor, you you're doing an excellent job. The very fact
that you're showing up um over at air sand drift sandpoint sand drift, excuse me. Um, and the part of the collective discussion that you guys are having over there is helping out a whole lot. Um, there is um um different ways to get more information out to to the public.
Um, but some of the things you're already doing is are spot on. Um, so we'll just continue just to evaluate it and make sure we can continue to get better. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Davis. Member Nelson, >> I'm gonna say I'm going to miss you. >> Yeah, >> you have done a fantastic job. >> Thank you.
>> The Touch a Truck, the Halloween. >> Yeah. >> Out of Fox Lake. >> Absolutely. >> The movies. >> Yeah. >> Um, your youth program in the summer. >> Yeah. >> I mean, Jeff, you've done great. >> Yeah. I do think we shouldn't let you go. [laughter]
>> You know, maybe we need to say maybe we need to talk to your wife. >> I'll come back and um and say hello. That's But I'm not working. [laughter] >> Going forward when we redo theou. Is there anything any suggestions?
>> Have a have a discussion about exactly what it is. You you're talking about having a discussion about readressing the the memorandum of understanding. um take it page by page and actually look at it and have a discussion. Um you're all welcome to come to my you can't come at the same time because of sunshine, but you're welcome to come to my office
so we can actually sit down. I can get that document printed out for you and have it was going to highlight some of the areas of discussion, but just as everything evolves and um and that that document probably needs to evolve to another level as well. >> Okay, members.
>> Yes. Um thank you, Jeff. >> You're going to be nice to me now. He told me otherwise. Um, to um, member Mscos's point, I want to say before we had talked about trying to kind of shift into more activities and things like
that, and this was early on when I first got on, but even just going through this list and even after the hurricanes, we noticed that a lot of the budget had to go to just repairs and infrastructure. And it seems like that's still the case is a lot of the money because we own so many parks. I think we have the most in
the county um in the north end is I think knowing how many parks we actually have, the upkeep, the maintenance as you mentioned all of the employees. And so I think for us and maybe you can either correct me or see if it's if I'm on the right track. If we're wanting to do
that, we need to really look realistically at how much money do citizens potentially want to pay and invest in for us to maybe provide other resources. And I did tell my friend that I would mention this like they're going to Longwood to go to their skate park out there, their pump track. And like,
can we have that in Tyville? I'm like, sure, but it costs probably a lot a lot of money. And so, I think those are the things that we need to see if there are partnership like we did with the Rotary to get the splash park. Um, we had donations from the community for that. Um, is there some type of partnership
that we can do? Because I think we're all are on the same page that we would like to see more things for our youth specifically. Um, but just looking at this and seeing how much repairs cost and how much maintenance costs, I'm like, oh my gosh, like how can we, you know, move forward or try to get some
new things here when it's already this expensive? And then also thinking on the other hand like the state and are they going to potentially regulate how much funds can be spent on parks for instance. Um so that's kind of where my mind is at and I think that's probably
more so discussions we need to have and as you mentioned going and looking at thatou line by line page by page to see if there's some options. So, I think that and to echo member Nelson's point, you've done a great job with the budget you've been given. And I think anybody
that sits down and meets with you sees your heart for the community, and I just want to thank you for that. And you better come here before you retire. We better see you more. And then you can always come for petitions and requests. >> Yes, ma'am. Yeah. Yeah. >> Vice Mayor. >> Yeah. Jeff, you know, it's it's going to
be tough to see you go because we've been friends for a very, very long time, and I appreciate everything that you do. I just want to make sure you know retirement is not all that it's propped up to be. >> I I'm not gone yet. >> I have to figure it out. >> But good luck to you. And uh
>> enjoy your grandchild, >> children. >> Children. >> Yes, sir. >> Sorry about that. >> Little boy, little girl. >> A little boy and a little girl. And you're going to want help. Yeah. >> Okay. Yes, [laughter] sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And and last comment I'll make before we let you go is again thank you for your years of service and I'm very
proud of uh us working to get that disc golf course >> Fox Lake Park. >> I told you. >> So thank you very much. >> And may I address the um you talk about the skate park. There's an opportunity um um through the assistance of the Grove Church and actually doing
something. So you might want to talk uh take that um information down. and uh um I can't think Brad I think it was was it a pastor over there he was talking about doing something as a pump um course over there at Marina and it's already vacant area it's not being utilized very much
for anything so it' be an ideal location for us to put some money into to make that happen >> thank you very much sir >> that's it >> yeah that's it >> painless thank you >> city manager >> yes sir the next item [clears throat] is
4C the urban forestry management plan update And this will be a presentation updating the city council on the urban forest management plan. And Miss Lily Galo from community development will present the award or present the uh presentation.
>> Not award. >> Well, not award yet, but you'll end up getting one. >> I know we have a few more. [laughter] >> I know we have a few more after me, so I'm going to go kind of quickly. I'm just here to provide a quick update about the urban forestry management um plan project, where we're at. Uh it does perfectly align with our sustainability
action plan. Uh item 2.1.2. Quick quick clarification. Uh when I talk about our urban forestry management plan, it's it's um all about our publicly and privately owned trees within our urban area. So individual trees along streets and backyards, that
sort of thing. Um this project started with heavy support from the public and was that actually prompted staff at the time to seek guidance from the University of Florida. uh to see to seek out um University of Florida basically
suggested that we have a assessment done so you can see where you're at and then create an objective for where you want to go and subsequently um execute that plan through implementation. So then in 2023 we got a grant. We did the kickoff assessment. 2024 another grant and we're
here today for the urban forestry management plan. And I have some other relevant background things happening all at the same time of the these grants going on the ordinances the action plan um the tree box projects and some grassroots tree planting by the tree
teams thing. All these things happening at the same time. So in August uh we contracted with Eocene. They are uh the main consultant taking on this project. They kicked it off their scope of work and all of their different No, it's kind of tiny project
um planning updates. I actually made a um website for so you can actually go on online and see where we're at. Um but in September after we launched the project page with all the project details uh we
did some heavy outreach efforts in October including tableabling events. We launched public a massive public survey published it in uh Titusville talking points did some social media these are just some summary metrics of where it was all spread out
throughout the city. Um unfortunately we didn't really get that much response. So, pretty underwhelmingly or concerningly low citizen response rate, which is why I'm also here as a reminder. We had 78 people respond to that survey, but we got some good
information out of it. Uh, so thank you for everyone who did participate some of the um summary. I know that's also really small, but there was over 20 questions in the survey. So, that might have been a reason why we didn't see too
much responses. I'm not quite sure about that, but the summary of all that data was basically that 86% of people found trees as extremely or very important. And then some of the top priorities were shade and cooling, wildlife and air
quality, while some of the top concerns related to trees were heat uh development impacts and flooding. And then they went ahead and did another canopy coverage assessment um similar to the one that went down in 2021. This is
actually the updated um satellite imagery from 2023. And then they pulled a land classification um satellite data from 2010 to 2023 to kind of see where we're projecting. it is um with a margin of
error of about 95% but it is steadily decreasing. And then in November 10th we on November 10th we had a uh visioning workshop where we try to invite all of the citizens who are interested in trees to come out and create some goals or a
vision statement, excuse me. And those that vision statement will create the goals. The most important part of all of this is really just having broad citizen input. Uh that's the thing we're struggling probably the most with. But making sure that this plan is something
that the whole city participated in or as many people as we can get reasonably to participate in. So I I put another QR code there for anyone watching to please participate. We have the vision which is what this team of about 13 attendees who came out on November 10th um listened to
the consultants findings and they drafted three different vision statements which are out now. You can anyone can go and vote on those. So this is a bit of an overview of where we're at where the whole project is. Uh we're
right about in the thick of it. So between November, which is when we have the visioning, vision building activity, to April is all of pretty much the leg work in this plan. Uh that being said, it all does require
us to have a vision statement picked out in order to build the goals and action items. [clears throat] So with that said, I kind of blasted through that. I'm all done. >> Thank you, Miss Lily. Does anybody have any questions?
I don't see any. Okay. Thank you. >> City [snorts] manager. >> The next item, sir, is the city of Titusville pharmacy benefits manager audit. And this is a presentation on the city of far of Titusville pharmacy benefits and city engaged the services
of RX Connection LLC to audit prescription drug plan managed by Etna. and the audit focused on ensuring that Etnner adhereed to the contractual pricing guarantees and rebate calculations. Mr. Ray O'Neal, audit manager, RX Connection, Erin Arnold,
audit analyst, RX Connection, and GNLini, benefits consultant, when digital will be presenting the report. >> Thank you, city manager. This is on. [clears throat] Hello, Mayor Connors. I don't think we've met. My name is Ray O'Neal, senior
audit manager at Arcs Connection was the firm that did do your PBM audit. Before we jump in there, I kind of want to explain who Arcs Connection is and kind of how they relate to One Digital because I assume you all have heard the name One Digital working with Gina before. So Arc Connection is we like to
call ourselves an agnostic PBM consultant. So we're independent. We don't have any contracts with any PBMs. We're pretty I'd say transparent when it comes to it. We are owned by One Digital. Um, One Digital is our parent company. What's very interesting about
our partnership is that we kind of reserve the autonomy to kind of operate as ARX connection. That really allows us to do is go out to the market and work with almost direct competitors of One Digital and really provide that transparency and accountability. So, as
we go through this, the story I really want to show is transparency and accountability, especially when it comes to Etna. I know there might be a little bit of uh tension here when it comes to Etna. Um I just want to make it clear that when we're going through an audit, we're on your side. We're your allies.
So can jump in here. So the audit scope really focused on claims filled from October 2023 all the way through September 30th, 2024. Overall, we saw about $2.4 million in
overall drug spend. Um what we're really focusing on is any contractual guarantees fund within your contract with Etna is met in Utopian world is exceeded right we both a lot of those contracts we've got discount
guarantees and rebate minimum guarantees and we'll look at that here in a little bit overall the biggest drive of your spend is a diabetic spend about 30.9% of your all spend is being really driven by that
diabetic spend the GL GLP-1s being about 2.4%. I think everyone knows what GLP1 here is. It's uh pretty big in the news today. And specialty drugs represented about 30.5% of that overall pharmacy
spend. Um couple of the figures on the right there, GDR stands for generic drug rate. Um pretty good here. What we really wanted to see there is generic drugs are cheaper than brand names. So we want to see Etna and overall you know
the city use those. Specialty was below the benchmark as well and again diabetes was the overall driving factor of drug spend here. So I think we got a couple recommendations later on um and some of the things that we've encouraged the city to take to kind of reduce overall
spend and to kind of find those savings. So PBM audit results here. So, at a very high level, I won't bore you with all the details, but how we do an audit, we take 100% of your claim data and we're going to look at the contract and we're going to kind of exclude claims based on what the contract are. When we're
excluding claims, those claims are claims that a PBM um has really little ability to drive down the price and lower that price. Things such as compound claims, over-the-c counter claims, uh claims uh products, and things such as that. uh PBM really
doesn't have the ability to affect the drug price for those and so those claims are excluded. After that, what we're really going to do is we're going to kind of aggregate or bucket the claims based on the pharmacy type, the day supply type, uh and really kind of drive home what that average discount was
during that contract period. Uh the top is our discount performance. What we ultimately see is that the average discount for each channel, whether it's met or not, achieved or not, overall we did see a $59,000 check come back to the
city through this audit. What that means is that Etna did not meet all the guarantees. What a guarantee also means is that they have to meet or exceed that threshold. Otherwise, they have to pay dollar for dollar to get you to that threshold. Um, ultimately the biggest
trend here was in that retail 30 generic. Um, I did see it kind of goes back to that uh conversation a little bit ago about diabetic spend. When you have a lot of higher expensive medications, even if they're generic, they can be a little bit expensive medication. So, that's ultimately going
to drive up kind of the cost and Etna um really has a trouble kind of providing a better discount on that. Underneath you see their rebate performance. very same philosophy when it comes to looking at the performance for that. Uh we're taking 100% of those claims, weeding out
those excluded claims and aggregating based on those channels and buckets. Overall, we saw about that $260,000 is what we felt that the minimum guarantee was due. Ultimately, um in many of the contracts, those minimum guarantees are just kind of the floor of rebates will
come in. PBMs will oftent times be able to, you know, exceed that because they're going to say the floor is down here, but they know they're re uh be able to receive quite higher. So, [snorts] we did see Etna did overperform in those rebates. Um, ultimately, we do want to see, you know, increased rebate
dollars and increased rebate rates. So, next steps on what's going to happen in the next couple years. So I know Gina and her team they renegotiated the pharmacy rebate and discounts uh with Etna and I think that was 101 and then
going out to RFP in 2026 2027. I know there was a conversation around combined RFP with Bvard or not. Um it was our recommendation that you guys don't do that. Um I think you guys have a little bit more play. I think I'll leave that to Gina to talk about a little bit
later. Uh but overall I think there was some other uh steps um that I believe Gina will discuss later on in her presentation but that is the gist of it. Any questions at all? >> Uh when is Gina is she talking after you or
>> that's going to be uh this this meeting >> at the next meeting. >> Next meeting. >> Well, I guess I'll yield my questions till uh the next meeting. Uh does anybody else have any questions? >> Okay. All right, >> good. Thank you very much. >> Thank you guys.
>> City manager. >> Yes, sir. The last uh item [clears throat] on this uh meeting is the financing options for the purchase and renovation of the police hall of fame. This will be a presentation on the financing options and our city's
financial consultant PFM Financial Advisors LLC will provide a presentation for options on the potential acquisition of the existing police hall of fame for use as a police headquarters and emergency operations center. And I have
Terry Butler, our finance director, to answer any finance questions. and Kevin Cook, assistant city manager and former public works offic uh director can go ahead and answer any questions regarding the feasibility of the project. >> Perfect. Thank you, mayor, council
members. Jay Glover from PFM Financial Adviserss. We are the city's financial adviser when it comes to debt related matters. So, whenever there's a potential need to access the capital markets to fund uh you know, capital projects, we assist with determining most cost-effective way to do that. Uh I
have been asked to come here to give a brief presentation about a potential capital project I know you all are exploring related to your police headquarters and the potential for buying an existing facility and renovating it and turning it into your new police headquarters. So do I change
the slides or Okay, >> sorry. >> Um I I thought I would start off the presentation just by giving a little bit of context about the city's existing debt portfolio. And I think if there's some good good news within this presentation, the city has very little
outstanding debt. So you're starting from a point with very low debt and potentially some ability to add existing debt to fund capital projects. You can see here in this slide, you really have four transactions that are outstanding at this point, not including, you know, leases and things that might be small in
nature that are also outstanding. But uh one of those is a water and sewer loan that's paid for from enterprise fund and the other three or more governmental fund loans. Within those governmental fund loans, actually two of those are going to be maturing relatively soon. One maturing uh in November of 2027 and
one maturing in October of 2029. So after the next maybe three years, you're only going to have one fairly small loan in the amount of about $4 million that's outstanding until until uh excuse me, $3 million until 2039. So, just to give you some context, we're starting from a
point of strength given the lack of debt that the c the city has outstanding. Um, in terms of again the financing overview, as I mentioned before, it's our understanding you are looking at potentially acquiring the form uh the the former police hall of fame and renovating it into a new police
headquarters. So, um, in order to do that, you're likely going to have to access the capital markets because it's a fairly large project. So projects like this are generally funded through municipal tax exempt debt. And the reason you do that is is for a variety of reasons. They're large in nature. So
you generally can't save up enough money to buy these things or build these things with cash. That just doesn't work, especially with the increasing construction costs that we're facing. So very inflationary in terms of the construction cost. So as you continue to save money, the cost of the project
becomes more and you never really catch up with that. Um, but really the main reason I think debt works in circumstances like this is really the generational sort of taxpayer equity concept. So by doing a financing over a 20 or 30-year period, you're really
allowing the users of the facility, those that will benefit from the public safety nature of a police headquarters to really help pay for the cost of that. if you tried to pay for it over a shorter period of time or upfront, you know, your current citizens would pay the full freight of that and future
citizens wouldn't share in that call. So, with large capital projects, we really do see debt as a good option uh to to fund those types of things. And the last thing, generally speaking, projects like this can be done on a tax exempt basis because it's a general governmental project and interest rates
are generally pretty low compared to other interest rates for local governments, especially with good strong credit quality to borrow. So again, so uh if you do end up borrowing, there's really two main types of debt that local governments issue. The first being
revenue bonds and those are generally secured by some source of non-ablom revenue or some type of enterprise fund like water and sewer. In this case, we would talk about a revenue bond that would be paid by nonadvalum revenues.
And I emphasize non-advalum revenues because the other type of debt that local governments issue are what we call general obligation bonds. And those are secured by advalorum taxes. And the unique element about those is they require voter approval in the state of
Florida to issue any general obligation bonds that are secured by ador taxes. Revenue bonds only sec only require a majority vote of the city council to actually put in place. So that's really the difference in kind of the approval process.
When we start talking about issuing revenue bonds, uh there's really a few things that we consider. As I mentioned before, they can be approved by a majority vote of the city council. And there's some legal and budget constraints that we look at whenever you might want to issue a revenue bond. The
first of those is what we call an anti-dilution test or an additional bonds test. And that's really a legal requirement that's within your existing debt that says you have to have a certain amount of revenues to cover your annual debt service payments in order
for you to issue any additional debt. And I've done a quick calculation of that legal bonding capacity. And as you can see, given your low amount of debt, it shows that you have tons of capacity to issue debt. Does that mean you can
afford to issue tons of debt? No. Uh that's why we've more focused on what we call budget capacity. So even though legally you can issue debt, really how much debt you can afford is more governed by how much funds in your annual budget can you set aside each
year to cover that debt service. So we look at it more on a budget capacity versus say a legal bonding capacity. And I liken that to the fact that if you have a personal credit card and it says you have a 25 or $30,000 credit limit, that doesn't necessarily mean you can go
out and put 25 or $30,000 on your credit card because you likely might not be able to make the payments on such a purchase. So again, we look more at budget capacity, which is how much you can fit into your annual budget on a recurring basis to actually make the
debt service payments. So with that kind of general background, we have done an initial analysis of what a financing might look like to fund the acquisition of the police hall of fame and then retrofit that building. And we
have been provided with what we have here is a range of potential costs from your staff. I think they've worked with some outside consults to determine this. And the range of costs at this point on the low end are about $46 million. on the highang about $75 million. And
again, those are figures that were just provided to me. Um, obviously those are preliminary and will evolve as you move through the process. But just to give you a sense of a financing for a capital project of that size, we would generally recommend you would do a longerterm
revenue bond sold via the public capital market. So that's a little different than some of the smaller bank loans you've done in the past for smaller needs, but that would allow you to match the useful life of the asset being financed. Very long lived asset, so you're going to want to finance it over
a longer period of time. Again, that allows for that gener generational equity I mentioned. It also allows you to minimize your annual debt service payments over time. And just to give you a sense of what the payments might look like on something of of that as you start to prepare and look at your
budgets is anywhere from about, you know, $2.9 million on an annual basis based on the low-end cost estimate to as high as about $4.6 million annually based on the high cost estimate. And obviously, as you all continue to
explore this project and get more definitive cost estimates, we can help refine those numbers. But that equates to about a 4.52% interest rate on a 30-year financing, which is what we think you could borrow at under current market conditions. Um,
just to give you a sense of sort of timing, I know you're at the beginning stage of this and no action or direction is being sought after today, but if you did want to move forward at some point in the future with this or any other financing, it's generally about a 90-day process to get that done. So, from when
you all or your staff directs us to move forward, it's about a 90-day process to prepare the documentation, bring it back before you for consideration, and then to actually close the loan. So, again, 90 days. And during that time, bond council would be drafting a bond
resolution, which authorizes that debt, which you would consider at a public council meeting like this. And if the revenue bonds were ultimately approved, we would generally sell those via a competitive sale whereby any underwriter could offer to buy the bonds and we would award those to the underwriter
offering the lowest true interest cost. And then the final slide I've added here just based on some discussions with your staff or other considerations beyond traditional revenue bonds that you could consider in order to fund a
project like that. uh understand there's potential to renovate the existing facility. Uh there's also potential to build a completely new facility on another parcel. Uh we have issuers that look at public private partnerships
where you might have a private party fund something like this and then you would lease it from them and pay a lease payment. That's similar to paying a debt service payment on a loan. So, but it's just another way to do things. And I also understand if you did move the
facility to another location, there might be the ability to sell the existing land or facility and garner some money for that which could be used to prepay debt uh in the future and lower the interest cost over time or use it for whatever you know reason you
might uh need it. But again, just here to kind of introduce the concept, start the discussion, address any questions you all might have, and we'll be here to support you and your staff as you all continue to explore this project. >> Thank you very much. Member Stokl.
>> Yes. Um, I had two questions and not necessarily specific to this project. Did you say we have to have a certain amount in our reserves? >> Uh, there's not necessarily a requirement in terms of your reserves. When you look at bonding capacity, you're looking more on an annual basis
in terms of what you generate within that current budget year. What I will say is important in terms of your reserve levels is when you go to the credit rating agencies to get a credit rating on an instrument like this, having sound reserves is probably the
most important thing that you can have to get a good credit rating. So, they do really look at reserves when basing what credit rating they're going to sign. In particular for Florida communities that are subject to hurricanes and environmental risk, they really want you
to have sound reserves in play. So the reserves don't necessarily impact your bonding capacity, but it does impact your credit rating which will drive interest cost. >> Yeah. And the reason I'm asking is the state is looking to potentially cap reserves. So thank you for that.
>> Yeah, they're looking at a lot of things I hear. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that leads to my second question. um would some of the options that you presented potentially change if something were to happen with property tax legislation potentially? >> Yeah, and that's a great question that we're struggling with and rating
agencies are starting to ask. As I mentioned, you know, revenue bonds are secured by non-adabalorum revenues, not ablum taxes. But obviously to the extent that your advorum goes away or reduced you're going to have to use non-advalum
revenues to provide the services that are paying for advorum taxes. So, I would say yes, obviously the elimination of property taxes or the reduction of property taxes will um it likely won't
impact the recommendation as to terms of financing something, but it will impact your sort of likelihood or finance ability of the project if if that makes sense. >> Okay. No, thank you. >> Thank you, Member Stokel. Member Mscoso.
>> Uh thank you. Um, this isn't necessarily directed to you. Um, Miss Butler, I might have a few questions, but you got to help me out. Unless this urban tree forest is growing money trees, I don't understand how we're going to afford this. And I hear we need
a new city hall. And then I hear about this possible acquisition of the police hall of fame. And then I also hear that uh, you know, we might not have this uh this um, adorum tax. And so when I see other cities like Palm Bay asking each
department to cut 20%. And I see us looking at a $75 million project plus trying to look forward for a city hall. It's just not making sense. And so I'd love to hear your your perspective on this.
>> I was a little bit surprised by the numbers to be honest with you. Um, from my perspective right now, without knowing what some of the future things we have on the back burner that I know are going to be coming forward, it's a little bit cost prohibitive. Um, even on
the low end, uh, so without more details and a little bit more uh, knowing what the legislaturator is going to do, knowing what our union uh, is going to do, which we haven't, you know, ratified those two contracts yet. It's hard to say right now exactly. I'm a little bit
hesitant to say that we can afford it. Um I don't think we can right this minute, but I'd like to see what happens at least through the legislature this year. Now, they've been, you know, kind of pecking away at local governments, for lack of a better way to put it. Um
and so I do feel this year something more substantial will happen. I don't know what that's going to be, but I do think it will definitely affect us. We're also uh the city manager is putting together the Tiger team. So, I'd be real curious to see what some of the other directors and the other department
heads have to say about what they think about this from a non-financial perspective because it will affect everybody's budget for sure in the general fund. >> Yeah. And um yeah, one thing I would like to see as well is I I get that it uh it's more um
costly to to build a new police department, but I would like to see uh a presentation at least on why we we need this. What's uh you know, I know that we maybe have um we're growing and there are things that we do need, but a presentation on that. Um I also know we
need a new city hall and so we're going to have to make um big decisions. I don't think we can have >> both. So, thank you very much. >> Don't forget about the fire station. >> Vice Mayor Cole, >> my question is of a little different
nature. I looked at the cost estimate and that cost estimate for renovation was $800 a square foot, which in my estimation and my experience, it's very
high. And what I did, I called around to some of uh local contractors. There is a building across the street from Rush Construction Company called the Draper Building. This building has
uh secure areas in it. It's a similar size building out in the same area. That building was $600 a square foot. And there was another renovation that was done. I think it's called a Star Center. And that building is of similar size to
the police hall of fame. That renovation was done for $16 million. So while I know all of it's a lot of money, I would like to see if we could get a more more refined estimate. I don't even know how
this estimate was derived. I don't know if we had concept drawings or how did they derive this. There's a a means a book called means which is a estimating book that I don't know if
that was used to do it but if you're doing with comparables the estimate on that building is $200 a square foot higher than the other buildings in the general area which are under construction right now. So I I guess my question is how is this
estimate derived? So we we contract the ECOM consulting to do a structural review and an estimate on this project. So they gave us three levels of what they consider a class 5 estimate because they are not at this point done any engineering work other than a structural review. The building
has to be raised to critical facility wind loading which means a lot of structural renovation has to take place to the shell. So they gave us these three steps because it is so early in the process. They would refine this estimate later, but they felt these are the numbers that they'd have to do for
renovation. And you'll see it in the future. We'll give you the numbers also what they estimate per square foot for new building construction of the same type of facility. So, so they did give us a range. I believe it was from $600 to $1,200 a square foot for renovation with new buildings starting at the 800
level and up. >> Just from my experience, $600 a square foot. I mean, $800 a square foot is what they're saying. That's extremely high. I'm not I'm not sure that that that's the actual number, but I like you said
once we refine the design, but to refine the when do we request funds or when do we request approvement? Because at $600 a square foot, that number is a lot less than $800 a square foot. So I would ask that >> when you go back to the engineering
firm, ask them if it's possible to do some sort of concept and come up with a more refined uh cost estimate. >> Yeah. >> Well, that would take time and I think they were trying to get >> as much as they could done on this part of the phase because they this was a very low-end task order for them. It was
to get >> the structural view mainly because without the structure being upgradable, the building, you know, had no chance of being improved to critical facilities. And and my other recommendation is to, you know, just go out and do RS RFBP for
a design bill and and and find out how that comes back. You'll get estimates from them on what they can do and the kinds of things they'll do. The good thing about a design bill is that you've got one point of contact. The architect can't blame the contract and the
contractor can't blame the architect because they're one and the same. So those are suggestions. Okay. >> Thank you, Vice Mayor. And I think it brings up a very good point. I believe most of us or all of us did the Lockheed tour. I don't know if Sarah was there.
Um, and we saw a draper. They're literally twoft uh foot thick poured concrete walls all around that whole building. And it has five skiffs in it. And it cost $35 million from start to finish. So to say it's going to cost, you know, $40
million to renovate an existing building. >> And just for the record, those aren't my numbers. So I'm the finance guy. I >> Yeah, [laughter] I think we all got, you know, sticker shocked by this because, you know, I think we as council wanted to just explore and I don't think anybody has any appetite to spend that kind of
money. Uh but, you know, just kind of, you know, taking a second look at where these numbers came from. I think they randomly pulled numbers out of a hat at this point. But >> it also includes acquisition costs >> that also >> so that's not part of there are two separate items in this. There's the
acquisition and the renovation are both combined in that number because the debt additions be looking to do both. So there's an acquisition cost that's not part of that that square footage calculation. >> So acquisition cost, let's just call it for easy numbers 15 million. And then
the same type of building that was remodeled and renovated for Lockheed from top to bottom, completely gutted inside and out. That cost 16 million, now we're looking at 31 million. >> How did I get to 50? >> Yeah. >> You know, so again, I think that's where
uh we as council are kind of pushing back on some of these consultants. And I don't know if it's they see we're government and want to jack the price, but you know, we got to deal with real world numbers. And we also don't want to give uh Miss Terry here a heart attack, you know, as we try to do a budget for
next year. So, um I don't see any more questions. Thank you very much for for your time. >> All right. The next item on the agenda is petitions or requests from the public present. We are not in the 6:30 meeting yet, but you can come up and speak, but you know, um we're not to city council.
We're still in the special presentations meeting. So, we still have a lot of items to get to once we get to the 6:30. Mr. Mr. Johnson. >> Thank you. Uh Stan Johnston. I've been here for over 50 years and uh it frightens me for for the city to think
about uh improving our our facilities for the police department by a minimum of 46 million. That's what understand. Now understand [snorts] I want you everybody understand is that we just paid this guy to come here. It was $150,000.
It's a lot of money for that little >> that little thing. That's what I read in in in our consent agenda, $150,000. If I'm wrong, somebody correct me afterwards. But, uh, that that's a lot of money.
Now, what we did have a choice of a few years ago is we had a choice and I mentioned it to the mayor and some other people is that why not buy Royal Oak golf course country and then we can the city can do what with it what it feels
best for the people. At that time the cost was about $2 million. I think they somebody bought it for$4 million $2 million. Now, I find it kind of preposterous is that we're thinking about building this thing for the police who've got a very nice facility, very
nice facility. That was the old u uh Lockheed building. And uh now with we want we want to make them very special with 48 46 million. I don't know how what you guys are thinking, but I think we could have bought Royal Oak Golf
Course instead for just pennies. and you refused it. So, what I'm thinking was I'm not really pleased with the decision-making of this council. Not at all. I I had something else to bring up, but
but this is important. I don't know how in the world the council got together and and devised this thing. The first thing I saw was consent agenda item for $150,000, I believe it was, for this guy to to do a cost estimate. and bingo. It
was no discussion whatsoever. I had it on my uh to speak on it, but didn't have any time because the other consent agenda. So, that consent agenda item was covering about $46 million
and got at this time, you have no have have no public hearing on this except what was right here, which is not a public hearing on it, which is just your presentation. I think the public should should should be more involved in this when you're going to spend this much money of our
our money this way. I'm not pleased with what you're doing. I just think it's horrible. It's horrible. This is too much money. This is $46 million for our city. Um what else have we done that cost $46 million? I don't know. Can't
think of anything. I I can think of a lot of things we can do to help our flooding issues. So, anyhow, I'm not very pleased with what you're doing, especially with this uh this issue. >> Thank you. >> You should have a public hearing on it. [applause]
>> K St. Anisville Tree Team, as the urban forest management plan update was on your 5:30 agenda tonight, I wanted to take the opportunity to speak to you about that. Um, according to the consultant's proposal, the urban forest
management plan's objective is to serve as a roadmap for community to work together to enhance and preserve the urban forest through defined goals and planting objectives during the public engagement. The consultant indicated
they would identify community-based organizations, hear their priorities, and collaborate with trusted local partners. The Titusville Tree Team is a volunteer community-based group dedicated to protecting, planting, and preserving trees while promoting a
sustainable urban tree canopy. To date, we have planted 220 trees in city parks at no expense to the city or county, and we're willing to keep doing it. We are eager to meet with Eioine to share our experience, establish priorities and and
effective planting strategies and to work with the city to expand tree planting efforts as part of the urban forest management plan. We understand the consultant will also engage with the Titusville Environmental Commission to hear their priorities for the UFMP. The
TEC serves as the city's tree board charged with the care, preservation, and planting of trees in parks along streets and public spaces throughout the city. To date, community engagement has been limited to a vision planning meeting and
a survey. Community-based organizations identified as key partners in the consultants proposal, such as the tree team, have not yet been engaged in shaping the synthesized goals of the UFMP involving organizations like the Tyville tree team and the TEC and maybe
the garden club would improve the quality, credibility, and long-term success of the plan. The tree team is ready to assist in identifying high priority planting areas. This map was provided by the city and highlight significant disparities in tree canopy
coverage. The dark green areas have 50 to 70% tree canopy coverage, but this area along the lagoon right here only has 19% yet has 23% of land that is plantable. Strategic tree planting here
would reduce temperatures, shade sidewalks, and help reduce storm water runoff into the lagoon. We encourage the city to move forward with focus planting in areas like this. The Tisville tree team stands ready to partner with the
city through strategic planting, tree giveaway programs, and other initiatives to strengthen and enhance our urban forestry. Uh last year, Megan Mscos, I wanted to mention to you something. Oh, can I finish one sentence?
>> One sentence. We we had great success uh involving the youth at the Isaac Campbell uh park for tree planting and perhaps a roll out of the UFMP can include youth tree planting events. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Miss Kay. I was also there. >> All right, seeing none others, can I have a motion to adjourn the 5:30 meeting? >> So moved. >> I have a motion. We will reconvene at 700 p.m. to start our 6:30 meeting. Thank you. Part: 2
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regulation. >> Good evening everybody. Welcome to the city of Titusville City Council regular meeting January 29th, 2026 at 6:30. We call this meeting to order. for the invocation. We will hold a moment of silence.
>> Thank you. Please stand for the pledge. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for
all. >> Thank you very much. Before we go into our first item this evening which will be boards and commissions. So I apologize to those folks who are waiting for that item. Um, some allegations came to light at our city not too long ago of
misappropriating of city funds and equipment. Let me be very blunt. I speak for city council or this is something we will not tolerate. I want to commend our city manager Scott or
city manager Tom Abate for taking swift action and initiating investigation figuring out what went wrong. And now all that information is with the state attorney's office um so that we can hopefully recover what was lost. In the
meantime, our job as council members as a fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers and to ensure things like this do not happen again. And I want to bring council's attention to a discussion we had in September of last year when
I brought up that the internal auditor is listed under the powers of council to appoint that person. That person should report to council. And I'm going to explain why. on top of it already being in our charter and that we should follow our
charter as it is laid out. This individual was identified in other internal auditor reports in 2000 dating back to 2010 having irregularities. Now I think if that information would
have been presented to council, different action might have been taken to prevent loss. So, while we can't undo what was done in the past, we can only fix what we can going forward. And so, I'm asking on
council to make that change where the internal auditor reports directly to council. We can work out the details, but that is something that needs to happen so that any irregularity will be reported to council and the public be
made aware. Um, there's also some other things that might need to be fine-tuned along the way, like the limits on PECARD spending, and I don't think council was made aware of the increase in PECARD limits from 1,000 to 5,000 a couple years ago.
So, that needs to be addressed and I want the public to know that we take this seriously and that we are going to address it. Member Mscoso. >> Thank you. Um, I agree 100%. I would love for our internal auditor to report
directly to council. There are even more things that I have concerns about and um I do think Tom, you've handled some things well, but there are some things that I feel like I know we don't oversee employees, but
there are things that I have concerns about that need to be looked into. And I know I have asked you to look into those things. And so I want to make sure that um when people give us information that we are actually researching it and doing
our due diligence. Um so I want to thank the the mayor for bringing this up and I I support this initiative. >> Member Nelson, >> I agree. However, I would like to give Tom the opportunity to put it on our
agenda to come up with suggestions, recommendations to us and then let us discuss something. >> I do not debate that. Like I said, it's something we need to work out the details, but I just wanted to put it out there and put everybody on notice that
this, you know, needs to be explored. I just don't want to go forward without finding out all the information, finding out what steps we can take to correct the problems and where we can all
discuss it. >> Absolutely. And another recommendation other than looking at adjusting PECard limits and having a little bit more policy control in that regards from from our seat but also an asset manager to track and maintain all the assets that
we have in the city so that they don't mysteriously wander away. Vice Mayor, every organization I've ever been a part of, from the military to a university being on the hospital board, the
internal audit always reports up. So, I definitely agree with that. Um, that the auditor needs to report their findings to city council. >> Any further discussion? Member Stokl? No, I was just going to say I agree at
the end of the day, responsibility comes on us. We're elected by the people. So, I think we need to do everything we can to make sure um that things are done appropriate appropriately and right. So, I would be in favor of this. >> All right. Um,
did y'all want to make a motion to have >> I'll make the motion. I'll make the motion that the internal auditor auditor of the city of Titusville when the audit has been completed will report the findings to city council.
>> Would you take a friendly amendment? >> Yes. >> That we put it on the agenda along with whatever other recommendations maybe Mr. body comes up with to allow us a little
more oversight on things that are going on. >> Okay. So, can you withdraw your motion because it seems like everybody's lights are lighting up, but I want to make sure we have clear. >> All right. Member Mscos, did you have something to add? >> I was going to add a friendly amendment
that if there were a lot of friendly >> any get anything that was not is that what's would do a red flag that we would be uh noticed. we've get noticed before, but it sounds like we're going in a different direction. But I do I do agree with member Nelson. We have made the we
have had the discussion that we're not going to do motions. And so I kind of want to stick to that even though I love this motion. So the mo motion I think that needs to be made is that we put an agenda item for the next meeting uh about the
internal audit and reporting and discussion and uh hopefully um our internal auditor will indulge us and having this conversation open uh for the public with uh her recommendations of different safeguards that we can put in place to help protect um our taxpayers.
Member Soal. Yeah, I think that's what I was getting. To me, it seems like it's an advisability so we will know properly notice it. But I think given the time sensitivity of this occurring and all of us, you know, not being able to talk to each other, I think that it's our responsibility to try to say that we're
going to try to do what we can. And it sounds like um we already have something in our charter that we should probably be doing this already. >> Yeah. the the motion is to follow the charter, but in the essence of, you know, making sure it's
properly noticed, um can I have a motion from council to have an agenda item for internal audit for um Amelia or an internal auditor to come before us and have a discussion? Is that a fair? >> Yes. >> So moved. >> And so yes, thank you.
>> We have a I understand. I'm just waiting to clarify the motion so that everybody's on the same page. So, uh, city clerk, are you clear on the motion? >> Yes. >> All right. And I got a second. Um, I'm assuming it's Mr. Johnson. >> Yes, sir. >> Mayor Connor, I'm very pleased that you
brought this up and I'm for the motion. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um, because this wasn't an advertised agenda item, anybody that would like to speak on this motion may come up to the podium at this time. I'm not seeing any. Okay.
>> Yeah, I will. >> So, apparently there is some corruption in Titusville. And this goes back to 2010 at least. It's my understanding that this has to do with water department. So, wasn't there a water director in
charge then that quit and now still works with the city through ACOM? Anybody? >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> City Cler, call the RO, please. >> Member Muscoso. >> Yes. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes.
>> Mayor Connor? >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole? >> Yes. >> Member Stol? Yes. >> Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. City manager. Show's yours. >> Sir, we have one high one housekeeping item before we begin the agenda. And
that is for um item number 9C, which is the smallcale amendment application number 5-2025 Sunset Development uh 125 Precision Way with annexation. and the applicant has
withdrawn this item and uh will be rescheduled potentially at a different date in the future but at the request of the applicant the item has been withdrawn. >> Thank you city manager. >> Any other issues with the agenda member
Nelson? >> So at this point we don't have a new date for 9C. >> He has the applicant has not reapplied yet. Okay. >> Any other issues with the agenda? >> No sir. >> City manager. Next item is boards and
commission the historic preservation board. And we have a presentation by Miss Tony Shiflo on historic preservation. Last week, Brad Parish sent an email to me in the TEC rep presenting tonight.
The mayor will limit the semianual presentations to five minutes at the city council's meeting on Thursday, January 29. I have served on the HPB pres um since November 2019 and I've delivered many a semianual report to
council because one the agendas are often over 900 pages long and I don't think they're read entirely. I believe a board member should always deliver the reports in person at council meetings to inform the public who may
not and probably do not access the agenda packets. A public recital of the advisory board's accomplishments reinforces their value to citizens. A public recital of accomplishments and plans for the future are important for
the board to hear, especially since you probably do not read the printed report and giving the report orally allows for augmentation and explanation. There has never been a time limit on board reports. Therefore, I find this
directive from the mayor to be highly offensive to me personally, unusual in its arbitrary restriction and an insult to advisory boards. A suggestion from the mayor would have been appropriate after consultation. This dictatorial direction is
unacceptable. And since the historic preservation report is three and a half minutes long, you read it in your packet. And I'm going to expand upon some details of the highlights. Studying the effects on local
governments of Senate Bill 582, which strengthens protections for historic resources and provides enhanced deterrence against unauthorized demolition. We recommend that the city adopt an amendment to the historic preservation
ordinance to expand board review authority over demolition requests for structures attaining historic age. This review would be of older buildings with some historic significance beyond age and while maybe delaying the destruction
a short time would request and allow documentation and negotiation for any salvageable reusable historic architectural features before demolition. Adoption of this update would reinforce local control,
improve regularity clarity, and support a more proactive and effective historic preservation framework within the city. Our current project is midcentury modern, and the space industry come to Titusville. Oh, wow. The idea is to ignite interest
in the preservation of historic housing stock in Titusville. Numerous towns have successfully leveraged their mid-century modern architecture to drive tourism, economic growth, and community revitalization. Palm Springs, California, Columbus, Ohio, Denver,
Colorado, Silver Springs, Maryland, for example. A growing appreciation for older homes will allay the need for ever expanding new housing development, necessitating the loss of natural environment through urban sprawl. An
appreciation for a particular architectural aesthetic can unite individuals in their common interest. Oh wow. And maybe coalesce into some sort of active community. Our project
hopes to encourage the cultural identity associated with this architectural period by joining stories of the people of the space industry who came to Titusville for it and designed and lived in these homes in mid-century modern
period of 1945 to 1975. Education and awareness highlight highlighting Titusville's place in the space industry enhances real estate values. Well-designed mid-century modern homes have shown to command a premium of
15 to 20% over similar, more traditional homes. It attracts tourism. Preserving unique architectural styles can draw heritage tourism. And the Historic Preservation Board has collected data on numerous
mid-century modern residences and commercial buildings around town. We have we have some great ones. And we plan to feature this style of historic era at our annual public preservation workshop in May and through our recently initiated recognition without
designation awards. I want to thank you for your indulgence in letting us make reports orally. I wish I had enough pictures to show you these wonderful mid-century modern structures we have around town, both commercial and residential. And I hope that you're as
excited about this project as I am. I have found the golden nugget. I'm sorry, mayor. I was going to stop at five minutes. I'm gonna sit down. But I found the person who went into the space industry and lived in a mid-century modern home that her father built. By
golly, I've got that gold already. >> And you're welcome for helping to find her, Miss Tony. >> All right, city manager. M sir, the next item is 6B, the planning and zoning commission semianual written report is included in the agenda packet
and no action is requested. >> Thank you city manager. Next item is 6 C, planning and zoning commission. And the recommended action is to appoint five regular members and one alternate member to the planning and zoning
commission with terms to expire on January 31st, 2028. in the term of five regular members, Theodore Gerard, Jo Christopher Childs, Jana Jalen, Romy Grant, and Erin Fasin, and one altered member, James Troutman
expire on January 31st, 2026. At this time, I'd like to make one correction to that. Um the due to a clerical error, Mr. Erin Fasin was not reappointed last year. So, what we'd like to do as a minimum action from council is to
request that he be reappointed. if you so desire to a uh a term to expire January 31st, 2027. That was just a clerical error, an oversight from last year because normally on even years you
would do uh four regular members and odd years three regular members um because there's a seven member panel. >> Thank you, city manager. City clerk, >> we have one card. Stan Johnston.
I think I'm listed as as a candidate U and uh I'm here to talk about something that is horribly happening in the city and that is sustainability and we have uh
we have water coming into the city. We have water block that that goes to to uh St. John's River. And there's six huge culverts under I95 from Fox Lake Road to State Road 50.
You've heard this before. And four of them are blocked. One of them is a 7 foot by 3 ft box cover culbert. So our design for what for what we're doing in maintaining of positive outfalls is nil
is nothing in those areas. Nothing. So there's no way any engineer can calculate what's going to happen in our flood zones that those that those drain from drain to there. You can't calculate it. So you have
legal positive unmaintained positive outfalls. It doesn't work. So what whatever you do to me is that I'm I'm reporting this to FEMA hoping that they'll take some action against the city because it's not
right. It's not right and it's been it's been happening for how many years? 59 years and it's not on the budget. So in other words, what you do what the city has been doing is filing false reports false
reports on sustainability. And I've even taken it to to uh uh our human resources director Joe Diero and we've had an admission of guilt on on on people who have participated in this false reporting. This is affecting
planning and zoning. This is affecting our budgeting, our future budgeting and so forth in the millions of dollars. It's bad. It's really bad. And and we can't I can't get I can't get records from all the numerous flood
zones that were created in 1989. I've requested them repeatedly. I can't get them from the city because they can't find them and they won't revive them from from FEMA. That's not right. We've had flooding and you and I I know
you all had a fun time with going to Tallahassee, but there's numerous areas in the city of Tyusville. Houses have been flooded and it's it's a catastrophe that you're not addressing. But we did have a meeting on the 22nd. Thank you, Miss Miss Moscoso. And we had some
discussion on that. And thank you u Kevin Cook and Susan Sandereller and some other people. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City clerk, is there another card? >> Um, Chris Childs. >> Forgot to do a card before. I don't know. I'm not used to it. I think the
last time they like just called people up. But, um, uh, mayor, council members, my name is Christopher Childs. I'm currently the vice chairman of the commission, and thank you for this opportunity to speak. Uh, I'm here to ask for your your reappointment of me to the planning and zoning commission, and I wanted to do so directly,
respectfully, and honestly. I understand that I am sometimes a public critic of the city decisions and at times individual council members. I want to be very clear about this. My criticism has never been personal, never disrespectful, never tied to my role on the commission. It comes from my belief
that an engaged, informed, and outspok outspoken public makes our city stronger. I show up prepared. I engage thoughtfully with staff. I ask hard questions when appropriate. And when the commission reaches a decision, I respect the process and move forward. This
evening, um, there are five positions up for reappoint. For the current commission, I asked to conser uh to continue serving, including myself. I believe continue uh continuity continuity. My gosh, and experience matter, especially on a board that deals
with long-term planning, land use, and policy consistency. I also want to acknowledge how difficult it has become to recruit volunteers for boards and commissions. These are unpaid roles that require time, preparation, and sometimes public scrutiny. The stuff when people
are willing to step forward, learn, and serve in good faith, I believe it is important to value that commitment and provide stability whenever possible. Ultimately, my request uh to you is simple. Judge me by my performance on the planning and zoning commission, not by whether I sometimes challenge you as
a citizen. Uh, healthy disagreement is not disloyalty, it is participation. I appreciate that many of you support the idea that commissioners can serve honorably while still exercising their right to speak, question, and advocate for what they believe is best for the
city. The that balance matters not just for me, but for anyone willing to step forward and serve. I respectfully ask for your reappoint and the opportunity to continue contributing my time, experience, and commitment to the city. Thank you. Thank you.
Did you have a question for him or if you want me to >> No, I just had a comment. >> Okay. >> So, I don't know if you want >> Well, I was going to um I was calling the cards first. You know, sometimes applicants put cards in. So, I fig I'd get to them and then if there are no
more cards, right, city clerk? >> Okay. I'm going to see if the other members are here that are on the list. So, is uh Mr. Gard here? Not seeing any hands go up. And Chris already spoke. Uh, Miss Jana, did you
want to come up and speak? Is uh, Mr. Aaron here? Not seeing him. Uh, Mr. James. >> James Troutman, 1705 Barna Avenue. Uh, good evening, mayor, council members. U, my name is James Troutman. I am
currently serve as an alternate member on the Titusville Planning and Zoning Commission. As a resident here for over two years, I'm deeply invested in our community's future and preserving what makes Titusville unique, our gateway to nature and space. Professionally, I work
as a non-destructive examination and de inspector at Blue Origin with extensive experience in quality assurance. My role involves ensuring precision, strict compliance with standards, and detailed evaluations to identify potential issues
early. These skills directly apply to planning and zoning, thoroughly reviewing plans, upholding regulations, and promoting balanced, highquality development that benefits everyone. A regular member position is available
and I would respectfully request appointing to that role for greater involvement. If not selected, I asked to renew my alternate member, please. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Troutman. Uh, and Mr. Johnson already had an
opportunity. So, with that, member Nelson. >> Okay. Um, we have some very qualified applicants, but we don't have a lot. And my thought was,
can we table this for a month and see if we get some more applicants? I I just hate to have so few applicants. >> Thank you, Member Nelson. And um I think you were done, right? Sorry. Um that was
kind of my shock a little bit too because I did not know this was coming up on the agenda. Um I did ask our staff how did we advertise it? Um I think the last time we you know punted for a month uh I think the TEC uh that was the board
in in consideration and then we came back and we had 12 applicants for five spots and in fact one of the new ones is sitting right here and he's giving the presentation tonight. So, um, you know, I think competition is always a good thing and I just want to make sure, um, everybody knows that there's an
opportunity to get involved. Member Mscoso. >> Yeah, I I would say I um I I served on the planning and zoning commission and I served with member Gerrard. I served with member Childs and member FA. I didn't get the opportunity to serve with
um Jana or uh Mr. Tropman. Um but I can tell you um even now I go back and watch those meetings and I think we have a great team. Um what concerns me is we had the um appointments for the hospital board and one of the things that was
told to us is we need to thank those who are already serving that it's really I think Vice Mayor Herman Cole you said that it's really really hard to get people and so let's just appoint those people. So, I don't know um if we can do one for one board and one
for the other. So, um I personally would uh like to reappoint everyone who's on there. I think it it does take a lot of work to understand a lot of the zoning stuff and I know that that the people we have on that uh board are very committed.
>> Thank you, Member Mscoso. Member Stokel. >> Yes. Um, yeah, during my briefing when I saw this and I saw five, I I my briefing might have been first, but I was like, what? Why are there five? And I think that's when we discovered that there was one that we didn't because I was like, I've never had five. Um, and then I
think I was shocked that we had that many up at this time. Um, primarily because I have had people that were interested in applying. And so I did talk to the clerk's office and see. And then um I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but on the website um and I did get this from the clerk's office,
we do post 6 months in advance. And so that's when I can see now the only other thing besides planning zoning in May, we have some tit a Titusville housing authority um one member up. And so that's the only other one. And so my request is going to be to in addition to the website if we could be notified at a
council meeting maybe two months prior that you know this is going to be up. Um I think that will help us because that was my concern. Um I have there's a member that's watching or a community member right now that said that they're interested. They wanted to see what would happen and so I would be in favor of tableabling it. I do think our
members have done a great job. Um, but I do I it would be nice to give some citizens another opportunity to potentially apply, especially since I know there's one that's interested. >> Thank you, Member Stokl. And you know, in this day and age of social media, I was just, you know, probably should be
posted on social media, you know, not just on the website. It's like sometimes putting a billboard in the middle of the desert. If you don't go to it, you're not going to see it. Uh, so we got to be a little bit more proactive in getting that information out to the community. Member Mscoso. >> Yeah. I just want to remember this
conversation. So, next time another board comes up and there are um the exact amount of applicants, you guys will be willing to table it so that I can go out and find my own applicants to apply. So, just please remember that. Um
that being said, I would like to make a motion. Um I know you're you're smiling. I probably won't get a second, so I'm going to let you just watch me stumble through this. I'd would like to um appoint our five regular members as uh Mr. Gerrard, Mr.
Childs, Miss Gellen, Mr. Fen uh with his term ending in 2027 and then the alternate member Mr. Tropman as a regular member uh with the term to expire on January 31st, 2026. >> There's a motion by member Mscoso. Is
there a second? >> Seeing none, the motion fails. member Nelson >> and I just want to point this out that was the only time we did not t because
most of the time other occasions we have >> I'm sorry other times we have tabled the motion or the appointment of people to committees that was the only time we have not >> all right >> that we went ahead
>> I I don't want I don't want to get into a back back and forth. Um, everybody's made their opinions known. Is there another motion? >> Motion to table this to the first meeting in >> March. >> March.
>> City manager. Do you have someone to chime in on? >> That would be to extend the current board members until that meeting and then um reappoint those candidates that are on the slate at that time. I'd second.
>> All right. So, there's a motion on the floor to um revertise, keep the folks that are on the board now um until the first meeting in uh March. City clerk, >> I believe,
if I'm not mistaken, that we needed to go ahead and reappoint FA >> would be 20, right? To reappoint him to the term expiring January 31st, 2027. So, we're back on the four and three cycle. >> Okay.
>> I can council so desires >> in my motion. >> Um, >> my second will still stand because I did want to clean that up. So, my second stands. >> All right. So the motion is to table four of the members and the one alternate member to the first meeting in
March while they continue to serve and city staff actively look for additional applicants and to reappoint Aaron Fison to clean up um a clerk error. >> Are we making that all one motion? The reappoint of Aaron Fas and the
tableabling. Those sound like two different motions. >> That's what they added. So, I was just clarifying because she amended her motion and she seconded. So, that was the motion made. >> City attorney, do you have an issue with
the motion being made? >> I think it would be cleaner if we did two separate motions at >> all. That's fine with me. I'm just following the the will of the motioner and the seconder, >> making sure everybody's on the same page. >> Back to uh tableabling this until the
first meeting in March. and allowing the current board members to continue until the >> second. >> All right, there's a motion and a second. Any further discussion? City clerk. >> Member Nelson, >> yes.
>> Mayor Connor, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole, >> yes. >> Member Stokel, >> yes. >> Member Moscoso, >> no. >> All right, motion carries. Member Nelson. Next motion would be to appoint Aaron Basin to the planning and zoning
commission with a term to expire. Tom, you have to remind me. >> January 3127. >> Thank you. >> Second. >> I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion? City manager, did you have something to add?
Okay. Just making sure. >> Well, you had your light on. I was seeing if you had something to add. You just turned it off. Okay. All right, city clerk. >> Wait, I have a discussion. Um, how many other people have applied for this? Are we also going to table this one
>> in fairness? >> This this one would have been voted on a year ago. So, we're trying to get it, but then we're voting on it now and we're saying we need need new applicants for the other ones. >> I I think what we're getting at is this
more than likely would have been approved a year ago. How do we know if we don't have the applicants? >> If I may interject, he has been serving on the board for the past year because he was reappointed. It's just that there was a clerical error that
>> I understand. >> So the advice would be to reappoint him at this point in time as far as from a legal perspective. >> All right. Any further discussion? City clerk. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yes. Member Stokel.
>> Yes. >> Member Muscoso. >> Yes. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you very much. City manager. >> Yes, sir. Next item is the Titusville Environmental Commission and Mr. James Miller will present the semianual
report. >> It's Jason. But >> no worries. >> Well, good. >> It's still a J. Yeah. John, Jason, whatever. Uh, well, good evening, uh, council. um and everyone else that's
here. Um I am fairly new to the Environmental Commission as you guys know, but I was uh honored to get picked to present tonight's uh semiannual report. So, um you all have it in your packets and our uh city staff representative Lily did a great job, I
think, of putting together a very concise report. So, I'm just going to hit a few highlights on it. Um I did want to point out that we have three new members on the board. That's myself. Um Kevin Rosa was appointed as an alternate the same time I was. And then uh John Nico was also appointed to the board. Um
the second thing that we've done a lot of work on and I do say we even though I wasn't necessarily on the board for some of this but the thing that uh we've done a lot of work on is the trees and urban forestry efforts. Um including some recommendations for a urban forest salary software to be used and priority
canopy tree planting. Um that was forwarded to council. I do want to point out that this as well as a couple of the other items are still uh waiting to see what happens with the previous Senate Bill 180 um and how that plays out with the courts and also uh I did see today
that Senate Bill 840 has been put up to hopefully clarify some of the issues in uh 180 that are hindering efforts. Um we also on that note uh recommended explicitly adding condominiums to
multifamily ordinance requirements. So the other thing also pending uh results of challenges to Senate Bill 180 is uh we received an updated ordinance for parks and open spaces and that ordinance was uh recommended unanimously
from the commission with no changes. Um public concerns and emerging issues. Um, some of these are going to be very familiar to y'all because it's a lot of things that get brought up here, but I thought it was relevant to say that they get brought up to our commission as well. Um, the big ones, uh, sewage
spills, storm water signage, and the gas station tank leaks. Um, a lot of these things I feel like are are being addressed at the city, but could definitely benefit from improved communications to the public. Um, and then also requests for stronger enforcement against clear cutting.
Um we received very positive reports in the last six months regarding tree planting efforts um which was talked about earlier seaggrass recovery in the lagoon and um other Indian River Lagoon initiatives. We just had the uh S Indian Lagoon uh public comment here a few
weeks ago which was very positive. Um the recoveries that our lagoon is making are fantastic and I I think we should be very proud of that. We also a couple months ago several members of the commission along with city staff attended the low impact development conference uh presented by the marine
resources council and I would just like to tout that again uh Lily made a really great presentation at that conference and I I think it's important for people to understand that Titusville is really leading the way in low impact development and a lot of other municipalities around the state are um
copying a lot of what Titusville has done for low impact development. I thought that was really cool to to hear about and again another good thing for uh public communications. Um we did want to thank the council for allowing us to have a second monthly meeting for the next few months to
specifically work on my final point which is uh wetland conservation. We are spending a lot of time and really digging deep into the comprehensive plan regarding um conserving wetlands. It's a big big topic. Um this is very important
for our recent flooding issues. If we sacrifice our wetlands and we are reducing that storm water loading ability and so um one of the big things that we have been discussing and looking to make sure we protect through the comprehensive plan is that we are evaluating connective systems of
wetlands altogether and not stopping at property lines. So if part of a wetland is on one property, it extends to another property. make sure we are counting that entire um area of wetlands, not just what is on that one property. So, um again, I thank you very much for the ability to serve on this
commission and present this tonight, and I'm glad some of my fellow commissioners are here tonight, and I appreciate it. Thank you all very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Miller, >> city manager. Sir, the next item is the Titus flag and memorial committee and the recommended
action is to u the Titus flag and memorial committee annual report will be presented. In addition, staff is requesting council affirm the appointment of members and election of officers as written in the annual report and that is a ministerial duty of
council. >> Is there any cards on this item? Is there anybody here from the flag and memorial committee to speak? All righty. Um, while I inherently don't have a problem with their election of officers, um, there's definitely some typos in the report, things that need to
be updated. Looks like they copied and pasted last year's under this year's. They thanked city manager Scott Lice. So, you know, um, we we need to update, you know, make sure we get an updated copy. >> Yes, sir. >> I think would be good. But, council
Uh, I'd move to affirm the appointment of members and officers as written in the annual report. >> Second. >> I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion? >> City clerk.
>> Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yes. >> Member Stokel. >> Yes. >> Member Moscoso. >> Yes. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much. City manager, >> sir. Uh the last item under boards and commissions is the Titusville Social
Services Ad Hoc Committee and the recommended action is to appoint members to the Titusville Social Service Ad Hoc Committee. And back on September 23rd, 2025, City Council approved the guidelines and application to establish
the Titusville Social Services Ad Hoc Committee and authorized staff to open the application cycle. And Miss Terry Franklin from neighborhood services is here to elaborate on that item. >> Good evening.
Um so we received um applications uh from applicants to be appointed for consideration to the committee. We did have a application received yesterday uh that is in addition to the ones you see in your packet. You should have
received a handout for those. If you have any other questions, I'll be glad to answer them. >> Thank you very much, Miss Franklin. City clerk, how many cards do you have? All right. I don't think that gets to
all of our applicants, but we'll just start checking them off. If you are an applicant and didn't put a card in after we go through the cards, I I'll call you on up. Uh first card, city clerk. >> Tony She >> Tony.
>> I know, but I'm calling the cards first. I'm saying if you are an applicant, I'll call you up after the cards. if you didn't put a card in >> Tony Shalo, the historic Norwood House in this community. And I just wanted to speak that um the committee could only
have seven people on board and there were 10 applicants and maybe a couple that didn't even get um processed correctly. Um but I wanted to say that I think it's very important five of the people out of the 10 are
residents of that area and only three are required to be. But I would suggest that we eliminate three applicants. You're going to have to and I would say that um Gina Beckles who was invited to apply by the mayor
and um Mon I don't my glasses but um Monifeh Wat Watk Watson who is the executive director of North Bard Charities but she lives in Port St. John and she could
attend the meetings like I intend to without being on the board. So I would say that from the 10 applicants that um the five from the community, Brooks, Dennis, Watson, Zidor, and Pender. And then Christina Stokes would be Oh, thank
you. Christina Stokes is the young woman who speaks so eloquently at council and represents the community and the youth in the community that's in question so eloquently and adequately. She would be a um my my recommendation. And Nancy
Oliver, she's an ordained minister and Lord knows we could use some grace. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Shiff. City Clerk >> Erica Davis. >> Good evening. >> Good evening, council. My name is Erica Davis and I thank you for the
opportunity to speak. I am applying for a seat on the social services um ad hoc committee for the city of Tidesville. advocating for my community um both has been a foundation of not only my career but my personal life. I'm the proud
mother of three girls once 26, 24, and six years old. I live here locally. In fact, in in front of the Harry T-more center in Titusville, where I work not only work in Titusville, I've raised my family here. Public service runs deep in my family and in my household. My oldest
daughter works for the Department of Children and Families. My middle daughter was not only awarded the key to the city by the previous mayor and a day was named in her honor, but she just graduated from FSU where she's lobbying in Tallahassee, still fighting for laws and stuff for our community locally. My
youngest daughter is currently roaming the halls of Apollo where she's just doing science. Um, professionally I've worked for the justice system, worked for the clerk of courts, I've worked for the victim witness state attorney's office where I've supported individual families during their most critical and traumatic
times in their lives. I've also volunteered as a rape counselor um when things need to be reinforced. I've shown empathy, confidentiality, and strong support services in those jobs. For more than 10 years, I worked for North Bard Children's Medical where I have
firsthand knowledge of things that are happening in our communities from the parents on a me on not only a medical level, but on a social level while they're they're suffering and they're needing help in our communities. I also briefly worked for North Bard Charities
as a community liaison where I gathered and raised donations with local partners and spoke directly with community leaders and what was going on and what was needed in the community. Through these combined roles, I have a I have been a professional advocate, a mother,
and a longtime resident with strong stability and able to listen and take action when needed. I understand both the system and how it's designed to serve the community in real life challenges. Everyday residents face things every day
and I'm one of those residents every day. Um I would be honored to experience the um and be on this committee as a social services ad hoc committee to help strengthen the services and support the community and my in any way possible. And my name is Erica and it's nice
meeting you all. >> Thank you, Miss Davis. Lynn Golden. >> I could not hear you. City. >> Lynn Golden. >> Good evening, counselor. I am Lynn Golden and I am I
live at 1100 Country Club Boulevard in Titusville, Florida. I am the president of the concerned citizen group. I'm here tonight to recommend three young ladies considered to be on the Titusville
Social Service Committee. My first would be Reba Watson Johnson. my understanding she was the first to complete her application. So that shows me ready and willing to be about Rever's character speaks for her
community as a leader and she is a member of the concerned citizen group. Second is Susan Pender. After leaving the area for almost 30 years or more, Susan immediately joined the concerned citizen group and Susan lives in one of
the target areas. Susan attending the meeting. She ran with a project in her community about lighting and she counted how many lights was out and how many lights was on and she was concerned
about the safety of the sidewalks. But last but not least, Erica Davis that you just seen. I remember Erica about many years ago a young lady was brutally
murdered by her husband. Erica worked with the violent people and she raised they gave her money to bury because the young lady parents was out of the country. Erica and her mom, Pastor
Davis, took the three little kids, raised them, and now they're grown, and Erica still contacts with one of the kids. So, tonight,
you probably ask, why haven't you joined the committee? Well, I have a lot on my plate like you all. and taking care of 101 year old aunt and 97 year old and trying to run my business and ministry.
I don't have the time but I would strongly if you need me I will be glad to volunteer. So I believe tonight these three young ladies will be assess to the community and I leave you with this.
I pray whoever you choose that they will pray and lift up the community in Titusville. Jeremiah 29 and seven say, "Bring unity and harmony, breaking down division and fostering a spirit of love and
compassion among neighbors." Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Miss Lind. >> Susan Pinter. Susan Pinter. >> Good evening. My name is Susan Pender. I am a proud resident of Titusville,
Florida community known as the Target area. I have a deep responsibility and genuine desire to make a positive impact in the place I call home. The community has given me the essential tools for success. It is important for me to give
back in return. While we may have lacked some infrastructure in the past, we were rich in resources because our strong sense of unity and support as a village. If appointed to the committee, I believe
this role role provides a meaningful opportunity to renovate the Harry T-more service center. The center located on the historic uh site of the Titusville Negro School is a significant part of
our community legacy in the target area. Bringing renewed life and purpose to the center is a goal that aligns with honoring our collective history and serving our present needs. As a current
member of the concerned citizens, I remain dedicated and diligently serving and advocating for the well-being of our community wherever I am needed. Community care is at the heart of my actions and an involvement. Our target
areas community uh stands on the legacy built by the families that came before us. Among these fam families are the book Bookharts, Davis's Emersons, FAS, Fitchers, uh, Griffins, Harvey's,
Johnson's, Joers, Hayes, Knight, Lawson, Law, Murray's, Penders, Richardson, Smith, Strickland, Williams, Warren, and Wrights and Wilsons and many other. Their contribution have shaped the character and resilience in our
neighborhood. The Titusville social service ad hoc committee committee holds the uh potential to bring about a meaningful change in our community. I am committed to working and collaborating to ensure that our efforts, honors, and
legacy of the past while for fostering a brighter future for the target area. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Bender. Reva Watson. >> Good evening. Without being repetitious, I am Reva Johnson Watson and I live at
950 WC Stafford Street here in the city of Titusville. I do desire to be on the ad hoc committee to assist where needed. And there is one main concern that the facility is not
available during the hours after closing for those that work there. So that is one of my priority is to make the facility available to the community when
needed. I am retired and I am available to work. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Watson. >> Gina Beckles. >> I thank you for the opportunity to opportunity to address you, mayor, and
the rest of city council. My name is Dr. Gina Beckals and I was born and raised in Titusville. So I've been here for 62 years. Um actually it goes beyond that because I'm a third generation Titusville resident. So I've seen everything from South Street being a
dirt road to being paved to just all the growth around Titusville. So I've been here all of my life. Um I uh I attended Apollo Elementary School. I went to Parkway Middle School which is now closed. and I went to Titusville High School and I was on the
student government. I was even involved back then. So, um I have an AA degree from the University of Florida. I have a bachelor of science degree from Florida&M and I have a P an MBA and PhD both from University of Central Florida.
And my PhD is in public affairs. So, I'm very involved in anything rel relative to government whether it's contracting or grants or whatever. But um I've always been very involved in this community and I've always tried to serve
this community. It's my home. It's where I raised my children and like I said, this is where my ancestors were and Titusville is in my heart. And I've served on several other boards. One of them being the North Bard Charities Board. And when North Bard Charities
actually took over the well not to well when they had the operations of the Harry T. more center. I actually wrote the proposal to secure that the operations of that facility and when there were a lot of things that went on within within that facility in the
community and it's not currently I think being served but there are a lot of things including um they had turkey giveaways for Thanksgiving and Christmas. They had toy giveaways. They had um people would go there to get help get um assistance in filling out food
stamp applications and other type of applications. People would go there for to use the machines like the fax machines, the copers. Um they had a Zumba class even that had started there and um just a lot of community activities that went on there that I
don't think are currently being served. And I feel that if I am put back on this committee, I'm not trying to duplicate what was done previously, but I do think that I could serve as a key person in
bringing the facility back to serving the community and in helping the city of Titusville bring back some of the services and filling some of the gaps that are currently not being served. So, I live at 5521 Oak Hollow Drive in Titus, Florida, and I would love to
serve my my community on this committee. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> The last card is Dan Johnston. Okay, it was a little hard to keep track of, but I think I did it of who put cards in
the I was I'm going to call up applicants um in order of who has not spoke. So, I'm just going to go right down the line. Uh Gina spoke. N or Kimberly Brooks, is she here? Would you like to come up? Good evening you guys. Good evening
everybody. I'm I'm Kimberly Brooks. I'm just plain girl. I'm Odessa's granddaughter and even though I didn't grow up here in Titusville, I came here to take care of a lady who had cancer and I fell in love with this city and I call it the Veil and I start moved
around in the community and I meet a lot of great people here and which inspired me to do the things that I do. I work at Devo um behavioral health center for boys. I'm really nervous guys and every day they are the reason that we get up.
Um I know I don't have a lot of the bells and whistles that everybody else has, but like I said, I'm Odessa's granddaughter and I have a kind heart and I have a a passion for people and that's my life of service. That's what she taught me to be a person that uh
helps somebody every day. And I feel really nervous cuz I don't talk about myself a lot. But serving the boys behavior health center at DERO has taught me a lot. And Pier, my friend, he's like uh they said for us to come
and represent them. Miss Kimberly taught for them. So um I work really hard. Anytime I'm supposed to be there, I'm there before time. I've also volunteered at the Moore Center and the Moors are my heroes. I literally started going up there to walk on the grounds because it
was a beautiful place. And then I started volunteering there where I was able to meet thousands of kids and people from all around the world. And the Moors are heroes to me. And I go in their house when I knock on the door. I say, "Hey, good morning, Mr. Harry. Good
morning, Miss Harry." Because it's a privilege for me to be in that space and tell people that about those people. And all I have is me. I'm kind. I'm honest. I'm new to the thing. I do know social media. So, but um I just would be
honored to be a part of this. It's a learning experience and a lot of people who know a lot more than me said it would be a good thing for me to come and say hi to you guys. And I'm saying hi. And so, it would be an honor for me to learn because I'm going to be in Titusville. And any place that I put my
feet as Odessa's granddaughter, I always make a mark there. So, thank you guys for having the time to take and listen to me. Appreciate you, >> M. Kimberly. Thank you very much for coming here. We appreciate uh you doing that. Uh and it's interesting. I was at
a shoe giveaway and and Deborah was there and I met a kid who had a size 17 foot and he was like 15. So, we don't have to say his name, but I was just like that that's pretty insane. But, uh thank you very much. I will never forget him. That's for
sure. Uh, is Cynthia Dennis here? >> Thank you. My name is Cynthia Dennis and I have been blessed to live in Titusville for nearly my entire life. I have served as the victim services director for the women's center of Bvard since 2020 and for nine years before
that I was a victim advocate with the agency. Um during that time I have had the privilege of helping thousands of survivors of domestic violence, sexual assault and human trafficking all who are navigating various aspects of the
current social services in our community. I also live in one of the neighborhoods that is currently a target area for the this committee. I would love the opportunity to bring the knowledge that I have gained during that time to the committee and help continue
to grow services in our our community. But hearing everyone else speak tonight also, I I don't think you can make a bad choice. You are very blessed to be in a room full of a lot of very accomplished people and I'm very thankful to have the opportunity to ask to be a part of that
and thank you. >> Thank you. >> Is Nancy Oliver here? >> Nancy Oliver. All right. Not seeing her. Um is Pierre Zador. Good evening. Hello. I'm a bit nervous,
but uh I got this. All right. Good evening, mayor and council. My name is Pierre Zador. I've been a resident of Titusville for the past seven years. Have a in social work. I've worked for Boulevard public schools for three years. I'm currently at Apollo Elementary as a behavioral technician.
Spent seven years at Devo as a supervisor. Um I'll be starting school in two weeks to become a firefighter. Um and I'm interested in uh joining the ad hoc committee because I want to be
more involved in the community. I want to contribute mean meaningful times, meaningful hours and I want to offer a fresh perspective and uh you know also I like to just give
to the youth that's my passion and um as you can see I work out of elementary school and I work at Deoil. Um not everyone uh like those type of jobs but um I love it. So, uh, if I can be a part of this
this committee and give back to the community, um, that'd be awesome. So, thank you. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate you coming. No problem. >> Mr. Gary, are we getting him a job application
right now? Yeah, >> thank you. Yeah, I was going to ask him, but thank you. >> All right. >> Good evening. My name is William Gary. I reside at 3705 Bel here in Titusville. And my history goes back a long way uh
with the Titusville Social Service Center. As a matter of fact, uh it was I and NAACP branch that caused it to be named the Harry T. Mo social service center back in 1985 when we erected a bulo Harry Moore on the grounds of it.
In my capacity as president of the North Pavo branch of the NAACP, I have the occasion to deal with a number of people who need social services and I think that my past experiences uh both educationally and uh
professionally would bring a lot to this at heart committee and if selected I'll be willing to serve. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Gary. >> Okay, >> Christina Stokes. Good evening. My name is Christina Stokes. I was raised in Titusville,
Florida, attending Astronaut High School before attending the University of South Florida to study psychology and criminology. I am a published research author as well as a legal assistant with a background in counseling, community advocacy, and public service. I applied
to serve on the social services ad hoc committee because I care deeply about access to resources, accountability, and community centered solutions. My experiences working directly with families, vulnerable populations, and in the legal field have shown me how
critical, thoughtful social services are at the local level. I would be honored to contribute my time, perspective, and commitment to the city of Titusville. I bring both lived experiences and professional experience, and I'm committed to listening to the community
and working collaboratively. I wish to serve on the ad hoc citizens advisory committee because I am committed to strengthening access to social services and ensuring community perspectives are thoughtfully represented in local decision-making. I am familiar with the Harry T. Moore
social services center through its historical significance and educational exhibits highlighting Harry T. Moore's role in the civil rights movement as well as Harriet Tymore. My familiarity with the center is rooted not only in its historical significance,
but also in its role as a trusted community resource, one that bridges past struggles with present efforts toward equity and social progress. The lessons I absorbed there as a child continued to influence my present-day advocacy and commitment
to creating spaces that promote healing, education, and community safety. Exposure to the center at a young age helped shape my understanding of justice, civic responsibility, and community advocacy. The cent's legacy continues to shape my
commitment to service and social equity today. Through my background in community advocacy, education, and service work, I bring a collective research-driven approach to addressing community needs. My involvement includes community advocacy, food, as well as
resource distribution, art-based healing initiatives, and civic engagement support. I am eager to contribute constructively while learning more about municipal processes and supporting the mission of the Harry Tour Social Services Center. Thank you for your time and consideration.
>> Thank you, Miss Watson. Good evening. My name is Monifeh Watson. I'm the executive director of Norvar Charities where our mission is to help people achieve a better quality of life.
Norprovir Charities Noravar Charities serves families and individuals in the target population in the target area. We actually own quite a few residencies in the area where we house and provide services for
Titusville families. Norvar Charities has a history of operating services and programs at the Harry T. Moore Center. I myself hold a master's of public administration and nonprofit administration and I have over 20 years in social in the social service
arena. I'm committed to addressing the needs of the citizens in the target area and providing the resources and guidance diversity of thought that is required to affect change in not only the target area but Titusville itself. And as of
today I am a Titusville resident. Welcome. >> More importantly, what color is your trash can? >> I don't know yet. >> It might say Till on the address, but we got to make sure we have that blue trash
can. All right. Did I miss anybody that filled an application out to be on this committee? All right. Seeing none, city council, would you like to initiate some discussion? Member Mscoso. >> Yes. Thank you. We have, this is a
really tough decision, really tough. Um, one idea that I have is we have five people that live within the boundaries. And that was kind of our hope is that we would have people in the the area. So, I kind of agree with Miss Chival who said,
uh, there's five people right there. It's based off of where you live and then from there um, however we want to decide. I I personally like um appointing the five that live in the boundaries which would be Kimberly Brooks, Cynthia Dennis, Reva Watson,
Susan Pender, and Erica Davis. >> All right. Thank you, Member Mscoso. Member Stokl. >> Yes. Um I think with adding Erica that would make it six. So I just want to make sure. Are you okay? I'm in favor of the six and that was going to be my recommendation to at least get the six that live. So, we had five originally
and then Erica. >> Yeah, the six would be great. >> And then yes, I would definitely be in favor of that. >> Vice Mayor Cole, >> you know, I I listen to the applicants and we have such strong applicants. I
have a suggestion that might help us if we took the an applicants and ranked them one through. You don't like that, do you? >> Yeah. Well, I don't know. But if we did one through however many we have and
then we add those numbers and that's how we get it. I mean everybody is well qualified to be on this. You know >> I agree but I just think then that becomes public record and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings if I don't know them and rank them low. >> Well you already did by picking five out
of the >> but it's based off its target area. >> All right. Um the I can piggy back off of vice mayor's suggestion uh by not us doing all that extra work but uh by just changing
the seven to 11 >> because we have we do have 11 applicants and it would be an odd number. Um so that is you know council's prerogative as well. >> I yeah I think I'd be okay with that definitely. as as I was listening, I was
like, "How are we going to make this decision?" Um, so I would definitely be in favor of having that if we can do that. >> And then, you know, because, you know, when you have these committees, like, you know, sometimes people can show up to some and not all of them. And so, you still have a a well-rounded group. I'm
sure our city staff are scrambling to our random decision- making, but um, member Nelson. >> Well, I'm wondering what our city attorney is thinking. Not only was I thinking, I was mouththing to Terry, what does our resolution say? Um, and if we're bound
by the resolution currently or if we want to amend the resolution to add that, it's up to the resolution, I think, currently mandates the seven appointments. >> And if it's uh seven and council wants to change the resolution to 11, that's council's prerogative. But I again, I
just had it as a thought and wanted to bounce it off you guys. U >> I I think we should change it. All right, >> I would make that motion. >> All right, second. Let me All right, I have a motion and I have a second. Thank you guys. Uh, further discussion. Member Nelson,
>> I was pulling up a resolution. >> You guys were making motion so fast. >> Yeah. To see if we needed to change it. >> But it says at least five members with an additional two. Oh, wait a minute. It
says committee shall not exceed seven. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So we could just edit that to say 11. >> Yes. >> That would be the edit. >> I believe we would have to bring the resolution back before council and then you go from there. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> All right. So I will hopefully entertain a motion that we appoint all 11 to the board pending the resolution change. Hopefully that won't take too long, right? Yes. Well, we also need to change there
was some other criteria in there that required them to be residents of Titusville voters and there was another criteria. I think there's a couple of applicants that don't meet all the >> Well, we can double check that see if I
think it says what no more than three that are not in the city limits or target area. Whatever that language is, we can clean that up. Is okay council in favor of that? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> All right. Somebody make the motion then. >> I can't repeat that.
>> I'll make that motion. How about that? >> I'll do it like that. We're going to amend the resolution and appoint 01. >> Second. >> All right. I have a motion and I have a
second. Any further discussion? City clerk. >> Member Stokel. Yes. >> Member Moscoso. >> Yes. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yes. >> Um and one more housekeeping item in
regards to this committee. As a newly formed ad hoc committee, the rule state that the mayor appoints the chairmanship. Um, after hearing all the the candidates, um, I think, uh, Dr. Gina Beckles would be a good chairwoman
if she's willing to serve. Would you be willing to? >> Thank you. All right. Thank you, city manager. >> Next is petitions and requests. >> Yes. >> That's up to council.
>> Okay. Member Nelson, >> before we get too far ahead of ourselves, I see Miss Roseno back there and I think she's trying to table a a item. So, I'm wondering if we could go
ahead and hear her. >> Um, can you make the motion to and pick the item number and and >> she's going to have to tell me the item number. 9 >> 9 B >> D >> D.
>> So you have to make the motion and somebody >> So the motion would be to go ahead and hear Miss Rzena on 9B >> D >> D. >> All right. I have a motion to make >> second. >> All right. I have a motion to say. Were
I'm sorry, sir. Were you up here for petitions and request? >> Pardon? >> Were you up here for petitions and request? >> This would be petitions request. >> Okay. Yes. >> Can you uh please just have a seat real quick? We got some housekeeping stuff that uh kind of got sprang on me, so I apologize. All right, so I have a
motion. I have a second. Um, city clerk, can you call the role? >> Member Muscoso. >> Yes. >> Member Nelson, >> Mayor Connors, >> yes, >> excuse me, I may interject. I'm sorry. I was talking to Miss Franklin before
regarding the the previous uh change in in direction from council. Uh what are I'm sorry. What? What's the motion before? >> It was to move item 9D to right now before petitions and requests. >> And was the motion passed? >> Yes. >> And so therefore, I need to read the
quasi judicial proceedings. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> I didn't vote yet. I don't think it passed yet. >> We were in the middle of the vote. >> Okay. I didn't I'm sorry. I apologize. I didn't know. >> Where were you in the numbers? >> I'm sorry, sir. >> All of us. >> All right. Can you recall the role? >> Yes.
>> Wait. Can I have discussion? This is just for to t to table the item. Correct. Okay. >> Well, to move this item up where she's going to request to table it. >> I believe the the proper terminology as we're working on it is that the applicant is going to ask council if she can continue the uh quasi judicial
hearing and therefore first I would have to read the instructions because this is open to a public comment. >> City clerk, can you recall the role, please? >> Yes. >> Member Moscoso? >> Yes. >> Member Nelson? >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors? >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole? >> Yes. >> Member Stokel? >> Yes.
>> All right. Motion carries. 9D is now. Now, city attorney. >> During the public hearing portion of this meeting, anyone wishing to speak on the quasi judicial item must first sign a public hearing agenda card and sign the oath contained therein. These cards
are located uh on the table at the front of council chamber. Those speaking in favor of request will be heard first. Those opposed will be heard second, and those who wish to make a public comment on the item will speak third. The applicant may make a brief rebuttal if
necessary. Witnesses may be cross-examined by the applicant council staff representatives and such other representatives as authorized by council. If you have photographs, sketches or documents that you desire the city to cons city council to consider, they must be submitted into
evidence and will be retained by the city. Please submit such exhibits to the city clerk. City clerk, have persons wishing to speak before city council signed the oath card on this item. Cler, city clerk, uh, have all agenda items been properly advertised
and council, I would ask make the inquiry regarding any exarty communication on this item at this time. >> Member Nelson, >> none. I got a call from attorney Rosena today
as informing me that she wanted to delay this particular item and that was the extent of my communication. >> Thank you. >> MSO. >> Uh yes, I think we all received an email. >> I have not checked my email all week
>> um asking for it to be um u tabled. That was to the city emails. Okay. Maybe put on the record. >> I mean, apparently I got an email, but I don't >> You haven't seen it. I understand.
>> But other than that, none. All right. Member Stokel, anything? >> Yeah, >> I'm checking. I think I did get an email. It was I think as member MSOS said, just requesting to table and I think she wanted to meet with us, but I have not communicated with her or wrote back.
>> All right. >> And I think I got the same email. >> Okay. didn't attach. Hold up to it. Thank you. >> All right. City clerk, are there any cards?
>> Yes, sir. We have um Kim Bzanka first. >> Okay. >> Uh thank you, mayor, members of city council. My name is Kim Rosena with Lacy Rosenka in Melbourne, Florida. I'm here on behalf of the uh the applicant Blackfin Partners who wishes to develop a 7-Eleven on Dair and US1. Uh we have
had conversations with staff. we'd have conversations with uh planning and zoning members. We'd like the opportunity to talk more with staff to see if we can work around some of their concerns and that's why we're asking for the continuence. It it was just last week. It was a quick turnaround. I don't even believe the minutes are available
yet for your review. So with that, I would ask you continuence to a time certain of February 24th. >> Thank you, Mr. Zena. Member Stokl. >> Yes. Question because I think um at this corner there is a public notice sign. So, do we need to send out more cards or
notice when we do hear this item again or how does that process work? >> I believe you're you're asking for a time certain at this point in time. So, that readvertising may not be necessary, but again, I don't know if there are any comments to uh open to the public today
that wants to be heard. >> Okay. >> City clerk, >> we um have four cards. First one is K St. >> Thank you, Miss K.
>> Lori Lee Thompson, >> Jill Dobson. >> And that is it. >> All right. So, council discussion. Motion. Member Nelson. Motion to continue uh CU92025
to224. >> Second. >> I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion? City clerk. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yes. >> Member Stokl. >> Yes. >> Member Moscoso. >> Yes.
>> Motion is continued. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> All right. Sorry for the brief interruption. Um, we are now in petitions and requests from the public non-aggenda items. Good evening. My name is Greg Valdike and we're talking about my neighborhood.
I've been here for a long time. probably it's about 52 that's what came in and I've lived in my house for about I guess about 45 years now and live on a 205 Acorn Drive north end of Titusville
used to be called Indian River City. biggest state issue that we have is old houses there and very old houses a number of them I just count off my hand probably less than 10 on our street and that are over a hundred years old so
what we're looking at is we have a lot of issues with commercial roads that are being used and activities that are going on there that are not residential it's going more and more that way Um the
roads that we have, we had come up with a program that was to establish residential neighborhoods where we are and having US1 as one boundary, Hopkins being the other, that
being a business road area on both of those two sides, and then with no new um commercial or other businesses and primarily to be just residential neighborhoods.
And what we're looking at now is we've got trucks coming in and out. We have shortcuts that coming through. Um Cumberland Farms was a good example there. There were supposed to be at the time that was accepted and passed
through in 2017. The plan was for there to be about 43 cars coming down the road uh in front of my house there per day. Uh I dare say we have 40 43 cars coming through in
6 to 8:00 in the morning and then you have more trucks and cars. It's a service road and we have US1 which would be a more advantageous service road and Hopkins but we seem to be have coming through our neighborhood. We're trying
to keep this as a historical area and uh that's all I need to say about it. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Stan Johnston. Uh I'm uh being uh approached by some people who have uh
have have had their homes flooded and uh I've been referring them to the city and I would want to since I'm on TV I want to encourage all the people who have been flooded to contact the city because
there's a number of houses that have been flooded that aren't reported and it's it would certainly And some people are just fearful or they're just fed up with it or whatever, but they're not reporting their flooding. And uh this doesn't help the
solution. So um I'm asking for people to to report their problems because I know a number of people who haven't reported their problems and uh that helps that hurts
the city to to solve the problems. So again, I ask encourage people to uh to uh tell tell what's happened and uh help the city out to uh fix the problems. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. >> Melinda Villain, historic Indian River City. I am here about commercial uses on Acorn Drive. Indian River City commercial zoning is a misnomer. It is mixed use and mixed use does not mean a freefor-all for commercial activity.
Acorn Drive has become a de facto commercial street. This violates not only the neighborhood plan but the US1 corridor master plan. Businesses are supposed to be off of Hopkins US1 or Highway 50. Acorn does not have any Hopkins addresses on it, but the city keeps allowing businesses onto 244 and
245 Acorn Drive. The city has allowed a parking lot off the alleyway between Acorn and Birch, causing around 70 cars a day to use the alley. The city has allowed the same alley to become an on street loading and unloading zone. So, multiple large trucks come out of the alley onto Acorn Drive a week. Recently,
you have allowed freight loading unloading on Acorn to a business on Hopkins because they are allowed to deliver to a cross alley. I would like to know how the 2017 on street parking code does not apply to acorn when the only carveouts are for commercial and industrial neither zoning we have. I
would also like to know how these uses uh reflect the intent of the Indian River City neighborhood plan which is m which must be followed according to the city comprehensive plan and I'd like these uses to come under compliance or I'd like the plans publicly amended to reflect what the city has used acorn as
a commercial instead of predominantly residential side street. I have a letter from one of my neighbors requesting a future agenda item for the possibility of ACORN to become a locally designated historic district. I am entering it into the public record and also asking the same. I am reserving the remainder of my
time for you to read it. Thank you. >> Thank you. Mr. Cook, did we receive a request to vacate that alleyway? because I thought that was the plan going forward. >> Yeah, I think we'll be bringing that
back to you to as a proposal in the future to vacate the north side. >> Yeah. >> Well, Thank you for your time. >> Thank you, Miss Melinda. >> I'm Glenn Keller. I live on Mockingbird Lane, and I'm putting in for a permit
for a shop, a 30 by 35 ft shop because there's a lot of thieves and uh homeless living in the area. I've lost 1520$20,000 worth of tools this year and they say I can't build it because it's bigger than
my house. I live in a small house. It's only 800 square ft. I live out of state half the time in Alaska. So, I was hoping to put up a 30 by 35 ft shop to put my boat and car and stuff in
and keep us safe and secure. and they said to come here and ask for your blessing and I know I got to do a variance and other stuff with them. So I don't know where else I can go or what I should say or do. >> Well, thank you very much for coming
here. I think the variance process is the one you got to follow at this point. Um unless staff or council have anything else to weigh in on. I don't see Mr. Parish here. Oh, there he is. A variance is an option. So that the
board of adjustment would have to process that request. >> Yeah. >> Me said to come here. >> I think you're you're petitioning city council, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um I guess my question was for Brad that is there any other options besides the
variance for his situation? I'm not familiar with the specific situation he's asking for, but based on what I understand, there is a limitation on how big your accessory structure can be versus your house. Okay. >> In most zoning districts, I think that's what he's referring to. >> And that is typically handled by the
board of adjustment through a variance process. >> Okay. >> I I got 3/4 of an acre, so I'm not on a little quarter acre lot. >> That's what I was going to wonder. Is it does it have to do with setbacks or anything like that? It doesn't sound like it. It sounds like you have plenty of property. So, >> right. and my little house sits in the
center and it's an old 50s60s year old house. >> Okay. >> So, I hate to put a nice metal shop and attach it to it. I can attach one to it, but it would look pretty crappy. >> Okay. >> There's plenty of room. I can set it off to the side and it would be
aesthetically way better. >> Okay. And the um as the mayor was saying, the board of adjustments and appeals does the variances and so they are a separate board that would look at that and make that decision. And then um un whatever they decide that is the only board that's not an advisory board. So
whatever they decide is binding and that sticks. They don't get we don't get to hear the appeals of that. So hopefully that process will help you out in your situation. >> Okay. With the gentleman over there have the info I need. >> Yeah. So second floor right up here. You
know business hours you can go in there and fill out that appeal form. >> Yep. I talked to him at the building place. So >> thank you. >> I thank you. Appreciate it. >> I was going to say seeing none others. >> All right. Stell Bailey. Um, tonight I'm
not speaking to titles. I'm speaking to responsibility to the council members in this room and to the people who feel this in their gut every single day. Titusville is not broken because of one bad moment. It's broken because of years of excuses,
silence, and protection of the wrong people. City Manager Tomate did not appear out of nowhere. He was placed in this position after more than 20 years inside this system after taxpayers funded a national search that was
quietly tossed aside. Every council member voted for him under the promise that his deep ties to this city would fix what was wrong. If corruption has lived here for decades, you just mentioned that this was happening before the water director resigned in 2023.
Then being deeply connected doesn't make you the solution. It makes you a part of the problem. Complicit. At the end of the day, the buck stops with the city manager. He is the boss of the staff. He takes you take direction from the council and instead of confronting failure, what we've seen is
delay, deflection, and denial. I didn't know. We don't know. We don't know what's going on. That doesn't work anymore. Now, on Monday, I do want to highlight and thank Herman Cole for his honesty and his directness and his
concerns being voiced. And I told you I'd give you kudos. And I'm doing it tonight because everyday people in this city know something is wrong. City employees know something is wrong. And if they know, then you had to know or you choose not to. This goes far beyond
theft in the water department. You know it. We know it. And it is all coming out. Every department, water, police, administration, people who should have been fired years ago were protected while hardworking employees were ignored, underpaid, and forced to survive in toxic environments. You
reward bad behavior and punish integrity. You give raises to upper management while employees scrape by. You give friends city cars to take on vacation. You allow resignations after misconduct. Amy Matthews, you put officers back into
the same communities where trust was already shattered and then act surprised when people lose faith. And to those worried about what Bvard News is saying, understand this. The press was never meant to protect the government. It was meant to hold it accountable. The real courage here belongs to the
insiders who finally said enough. We don't work in city hall or the water department, but the employees do, and they're the ones risking everything to expose the nepotism and the cronyism that has grown out of control. Tomate, whether you did know or you didn't know, you should have known as the city
manager. This was going on 20 years. You are the common denominator. And comfort born from a protective cabal is not leadership. Everything comes to light always. Thank you. >> Thank you. Seeing none, city manager. >> So, we're moving on to consent agenda.
We have four items. Any uh items like to be pulled by city council members? >> I don't see any lights up. City manager, >> I'll go ahead and I'll I'll read all four titles for the record.
Consent agenda item 8A, the 202526 annual dispersement agreement between the Bvard County Commissioners and the city for the home grant program. Item B, the emergency purchase orders
for Synagro South LLC and GSM Engineered Fabrics LLC. Item C, the purchase of fire department tools and equipment. And item D, the award of contract for the Bay View seminal project.
>> City clerk. >> Yes, sir. We have cards for item 8D. It's Will Pringle. >> Will here? My wife speak. >> Sure. And Kathy Pringle.
>> Good evening. Before I begin, I'd like to thank our mayor and the members of the council for listening to us and considering our request. The complex issues of managing a city do not go unnoticed. So, it's with gratitude and respect that
my husband and I humbly ask for your consideration. I'm Kathy Pringle. My husband Will and I are high school sweethearts. We've been married for 30 years and we've been blessed with three daughters, one of whom who is getting married in the fall. We live together
with my 85-year-old mom and our home is a place that we believe God has graciously given us, not just to live in, but to serve others. We live, work, and serve in our community. My husband and I are small business owners. We
volunteer. We support the homeless, caregivers, and students seeking to attend college in our community. Four years ago, we were given the opportunity to purchase a very special home that is part of Titusville's
historic landscape. In 1920, James Easterly built a handsome craftsman house on the corner of Riverside and Grey Street, 1240 Riverside Drive. It has a porch that faces the Indian River. Many know it as the Ron Norris House.
Our waterfront street is a favorite for families, joggers, walkers. It's even listed on Bvard's register of historic buildings. We consider ourselves not just owners, but caretakers of this home, not just for our family, but for
the history of the city as well. This home has endured multiple hurricanes and decades of rocket launches. And it is an ideal vantage point for the town to view the upcoming Artemis 2 launch. We come here tonight to respectfully ask you to
protect the history of Titusville. While we understand the need for improved infrastructure, there must be a balance. We're asking for you to delay the construction of this project until the property boundary and the right of way is legally established.
As my husband will explain, there's confusion with the placement of the new submersible sewage tank and the recently installed green box relief valve. We believe that the project is significantly encroaching on our
property. We have already had two surveys done and with comparison to the city survey and measurements given to me by a bidding contractor, there is a boundary issue that needs to be addressed. In addition, as we live in a
historic neighborhood, we are also asking that the project consider a a fence that is residential and historic in nature instead of urban chain link. As the current pump house respects the architectural style of its surroundings, we expect that Titusville will continue
their vested interest in keeping the most walkable street in town beautiful. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for your time. Mayor, can you verify which item >> they're talking about? Uh 8 D as in dog.
U city clerk, are there any other cards? >> Well, other than Mr. Pringle. >> Yes, we have one additional one. We have Will Pringle and Scott Cutter, it looks like. >> Okay. Just trying to keep keep track of everybody. Go ahead, sir.
>> Uh, good evening, Mayor Connors and and uh, council members. Um, my name is Will Pringle and I live at 1240 Riverside Drive, directly adjacent to the proposed seminal lift station project. Um, this evening I've provided handouts to the council. Um, these include a printed
copy of page C8B from the lift station plans that were provided to us by city engineer Ashley Smith. Um, based on those plans, we had concerns about where the city was showing that our property where our property line was along the Indian River. Um, using a survey completed in 2022, it appeared that the
property that the proposed underground lift station may extend onto our property. That concern was reinforced when a contract a contractor bidding on the project independently suggested to us that portions of the proposed station appeared to be on our land. Uh, this
understandably alarmed us. We asked the city uh to mark the property lines so that this could be clarified. Uh and when that did not o occur, we personally hired a well-known professional surveyor here in Titusville, John Cooper, to officially stake out our property lines.
Um he completed that work today. If you look at the handout, you'll see that I've drawn uh a red line on page on the first page um uh showing our property boundary based on that survey. The items highlighted in yellow, including fencing, piping, and related
infrastructure, appear to be located on our private property, or they would be when they when constructed. Um, the photos included in the handout, the other two photos, show the property line uh that physically marked with white flags and string uh as placed by the
surveyor today. Those same photos clearly show a recently installed green vent box is located on our property. That's represented by the green box on page one. With that confirmed boundary in mind, when we review the lift station plans, it does appear that the project
is currently designed would require it to be built on our property. Uh we want to be clear that we're not opposed to these infrastructure improvements. We actually fully support them. Uh but we're concerned about the construction occurring on on our property without clear ownership, rightway uh or easement
authority and about the permanent impact that this would have on our property value. Um, I respectfully ask that the council uh direct staff to meet with us uh review the survey that we had done today. Um, confirm the property lines and make any adjustments accordingly um
before the project is awarded uh the budget is approved because frankly I don't know how it could be approved if there's changes required um uh and certainly before any construction occurs. Um thank you for your time and also for your service to our great community. Thank you.
>> Thank you sir. City clerk. >> Scott Cutter. >> What was that? >> Scott Cutter. >> Is Scott here. >> Good evening. I'm Scott Cutter. Um, council members, Mr. Mayor. Um, so I
live on Indian Riverside Drive, 1226, uh, in the house built by my grand great-grandfather in 1908. Um, I share a property line with the Pringles and the city, Riverside Drive runs through my property
and my concerns are that the city is making the infrastructure upgrades and they're not being a good uh, steward of the information. So, uh, we've been promised a couple of times to have anformational meeting on the planning
and that and we haven't seen that yet and that causes us concern. Thank you very much. Have a good evening. Thank you very much. Um, city attorney, I'm going to have to ask you a question. Um, we did not agree to pull
an item ahead of time, but I think we should probably pull this item now. So can we do that? >> Sure. A motion can be made in accordingly. >> Move to pull item 8D. >> Second. >> I have a motion. I have a second to pull
the item. Uh any discussion? All right. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. All right. Let's address items uh A, B, and C which are still on consent. Uh any further discussion? Member Nelson
>> move to approve consent agenda items A 8 A B and C. >> Second. >> I have a motion and I have a second for items A, B, and C. Any discussion? City clerk. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole.
>> Yes. >> Member Stokel. >> Yes. >> Member Muscoso. >> Yes. >> Nelson. >> Can you guys not leave? >> Yeah. I didn't understand that. >> Yeah. So, we pulled the item for further
discussion. We're just handling the first three items. >> No, no, no. So, apologize. Um, did we finish the roll call, city clerk? >> Yeah, we did. >> All right. So, motion carries for items
A, B, C, and again, we pulled item D for further discussion so it didn't get lumped in with the others. Uh, with that being said, uh, Vice Mayor Cole, did you have something? >> Oh, okay. >> All right. Well, I'll I'll tee it off.
Miss Sandy, Mr. Cook, Mr. Parish, is this project encroaching on their property? >> I can tell this is the first I'm hearing of it, but in all fairness, I got my job on Monday, so just saying. Um, it sounds like we need to do a
review. Um, this this project does have a resiliency grant attached to it. So, we are in a we are in a time crunch. Um, I'll have to get with Ashley and see. And since they just did the survey today, obviously, we have not been able to see if it um disagrees with what we
have. The the engineer is required to look at the right of way. Um, but I would like to review the differencing and opinion and see see what's going on there. >> Yeah. I mean, I I'll speak for myself and I hope council agrees with me. I'm all for let's put money in infrastructure but not at the expense on
encroaching on other people's property. So, member Stokal. >> Yeah, that was my question. Um, time sensitivity. Is it okay if we table it to our next meeting or would that potentially hurt the grant? >> I think I think we can do two weeks. Yeah. >> Okay. That would be my recommendation is to table this to the next meeting so
staff can look into it and we can make sure that we are not proposing something on somebody else's property. >> Yep. And notice, you said Ashley has your contact information. Okay. >> All right. Member Nelson, >> I would move to table this until
February 10th. >> Second. >> All right. There was a motion and a second to table this item till February 10th. Member Scosa, did you have discussion? >> I just had one question. Is there money because I think that was a great point about the fence. Um, is there money in
the project or is that to I'm looking at it right now and I think they're right. Just a chain link fence is >> If there's not money in the project, we can look at, you know, um, operating funds or something that could that could look into that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah, I think it's, you know, important
that we make sure we're not building something on the property and then we can kind of dive through the rest of it. Um, so there's a motion and a second to table this. Uh, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. So Sandy will be getting
with you. Okay. Thank you. >> All right. >> So we we tabled it so that they can reach out to you and we can make sure that we're we're doing this the right way. Okay. >> Um city manager. Yes. Moving on to
ordinances. Second reading item nine. The first is ordinance number 1-2026 amending chapter 15 pensions and this is to conduct a second reading public hearing and this HR director will read the ordinance and be available for
discussion. Evening, mayor, council members, an ordinance of the city of Titusville, amending chapter 15, pensions and retirement, article 3, police officers and firefighters pension plan of the code of ordinances, city of Titusville,
amending section 15-22, benefits effective June 30th of 2013 subsection E salary providing for a change in the types of incentive pay pursuant to the collective bargaining
agreement and amending section 15233 deferred retirement option plan repealing all ordinances in conflict herewith providing for severability of provisions and providing for an effective date
Thank you, Mr. Diero. City clerk, are there any cards? >> No, sir. >> Council, any discussion? >> Member Nelson. >> Move to approve ordinance number one- 2026, uh, pensions and retirement.
>> Second. >> I see a motion and a second. Any further discussion? City clerk. >> Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yes. >> Member Stokel. >> Yes. Member Moscoso stepped out. Member Nelson, >> yes. >> Mayor Connors,
>> yes. Motion carries 4 Z. >> City manager, it's moving on to 9B, ordinance number 2-2026, amending chapter 15, the pensions, and this is also to conduct a second reading public hearing. And Mr. Dero will read
the ordinance for the record. An ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, amending chapter 15, pensions and retirement article 2, general employees pension plan of the code of ordinances of the city of Titusville,
amending division 5, section 15-110, deferred retirement option plan, providing for uh providing for repealing all ordinances in conflict herewith, and providing for severability of provisions
and providing for an effective date. Thank you very much. Say cler, are there any cards? >> Member Nelson. >> Move to approve ordinance number two- 2026 U pensions for retirement. >> Second.
>> I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk. >> Member Stokel. >> Yes. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yes. Motion carries 40. Thank you very much, city manager.
>> Sir, we've already dealt with C, 9 C, and 9D. So, we'll move on to ordinances first reading. And the first ordinance there for 10A is to conduct the first reading of ordinance number 3-20226 updating the 5-year capital improvement
schedule of the comprehensive plan for the city of Titusville for the 2026 2030 horizon relating to the capital improvement element and providing for effective date and Brad Parish will read the ordinance for the record. An ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, updating the 5-year capital
improvement schedule of the comprehensive plan of the city of Titusville for the 2026 to 2030 horizon relating to the capital improvement element and providing for an effective date. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Parish. Any cards?
>> All right. Any discussion from council? Seeing none, city manager. Sir, moving on to um ordinances 10B, smallcale amendment application number 7-2025 and this is to conduct the first reading
for of ordinances for smallcale comprehensive plan SSA 7-2025 and Brad Parish will again read the ordinance for the record. The first ordinance, future land use element, an ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, amending the code
of ordinances by amending ordinance number 60-1988, which adopted the comprehensive plan of the city of Titusville by amending the future land use designation on land located at the northwest corner of Elizabeth Avenue and Queen Street from lowdensity residential to highdensity residential on 3.61 61
plus or minus acres of property having parcel ID number 22-35-09-2 star- 7 providing for severability severability repeal of conflicting ordinances and providing for an effective date and the reasonzoning ordinance an ordinance amending
ordinance number 5-1993 of the city of Titusville Florida by amending the zoning map made a part of said ordinance by reference by changing the zoning classification on land located at the northwest corner of Elizabeth Avenue and Queen Street from the single family medium density R1B zoning district to
the multif family highdensity residential R3 zoning district on 3.6 6 plus or minus acres of property having parcel ID number 22-33 35 excuse me-09-2 star- 7 providing for sever severability
repeal of conflicting ordinances and providing for an effective date >> thank you very much parish city clerk >> we have one card is Tony Shel Tony Shuffalo Tropic Street. I'd like to point out that in the packet the uh
developer put in a a page about the public meeting that is required. They held one public meeting and no one in the neighborhood attended. The one public meeting was Wednesday morning
at 900 a.m. in July 23rd. How many residents even knew about it really?
And how many in this middle class working area neighborhood probably had leisure to be at home at 9:00 and attend a meeting about a land developer without really understanding what was going to happen. You're talking about filling
high density apartments, condos, whatever into this single family neighborhood. I'm a little concerned about it because it's very near and and close to the whispering hills and developments that are prime mid-century
modern neighborhoods, hoping to see some kind of community development there. So, I just wanted to point out how bogus some of these developers are in fulfilling the plans that that they present here. We had a meeting and they
say they say if you looked at their page report it started at 9:00 a.m. and finished at 10:00 a.m. even though no one attended. What kind of malarkey is that? Those people need to have another meeting so that more than
all right homeowners within 500 feet 500 ft isn't it 500 ft are notified at 100 foot lot sizes that's five houses near this property at 75 foot lot sizes
that's 6.6 Six. I did the math. That's not very many people. Wonder why those five or 10 or maybe or four sides to the property will give them 20 houses. How come none of those people showed up? Do they not care about having
apartments or or high density put into their low density single family residents? I'm kind of upset about it because it's in near my community and because I'm watching out for those mid-century modern communities because I'd really like to see them come together. Thank you.
>> Thank you, M. She city clerk, are there any more cards? >> All right. Thank you very much, city manager. >> Sir, moving on to old business. Item A is resolution number 1-20226 establishing the governance structure
for the city's economic development organization. And our economic development director, Nick, is available to present this item. >> Good evening, Mayor Council. Um, do you want me to start read the resolution? I don't really have much to present, but
I'll read it to you. Uh, a resolution of the city council, the city of Titusville, Florida, establishing the city's economic development board of directors, defining the roles of the executive director, administrative support, legal counsel, and advisory committees, establishing the board's long-term strategic and financial
authorities. Uh, uh, approving the process for the appointment of directors, provided for severability, and, uh, providing for an effective date. Thank you very much, Mr. G. City clerk, are there any cards? >> No, sir.
>> City Council member Mscoso. >> Um I I think I spoke to the attorney about this, but um in section five, it says the executive director can utilize special specialized outside legal counsel without and it doesn't mention our city attorney. And so I think my
question was this is actually kind of an advisory board, right? And so if it is an advisory board, then does it fall under the same rules as other advisory boards? >> Whoever would like to answer >> city attorney
Mr. Parish. >> Yes, it would fall under regular advisory board. I believe Mr. Parish indicated the nature of the board would probably require more transactional um legal input. Again, I I I'm happy to
do overseeing of any um billings that may come in, but I believe uh the indication was that the nature of the board may require um continuous um legal transactional um property
>> contracts agreements for incentives. >> So, there'll be um uh minutes taken, all of those things. Okay. And then like quarterly reports as well. So, some of the things I would like I think it it doesn't uh specify this and if it does
um please forgive me. I I think it should say that candidate candidates should reside in North Berard or Titusville. I think it's Does it say that? It does. Okay, perfect. I wanted to make sure um that was there. Um I might have another question, but I'll
let someone else go while I find it. >> City Council, any other questions? Member Nelson. I was sort of thinking and Megan this might help if we said the executive director may utilize
specialized outside counsel after cons consultation with the city attorney. >> I would be okay with that for sure. I like that. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> I think in most of our minds I think that's how it should work. making sure tightened down makes a lot of sense
>> intending to do through that process. >> Sure. >> You could say the executive director after consultation with city attorney may utilize specialized outside legal counsel. >> Member Nelson.
>> Yeah. >> Did you have anything else? Member Moscow. >> Um will there be audits done on this or since they're Yes. >> Okay. because my my fear was not that this is inbeds but there were no um audits done in the city or the county and I want to make sure that this isn't
inbeds 2.0 Oh, so I I want to make sure that um there is freedom there, but then there is accountability. I did like on inbeds, not that this is it, that there was somebody on council who was part of it and I don't know if that's something we feel is necessary or want want to
include. I would u be happy to be on it, but I'm happy for any of us to be on it, but that is an option as well. And possibly not even I think with inbeds you you weren't even a voting member, so not even a voting member. Um but just kind of there for the meetings.
>> Yeah, I believe all these meetings will be open to the public in general. Uh but with NBEDS um city council appointed somebody to be the liaison to report back to council. >> So um once hopefully we get this established, we can then decide about
sending a y leaison. Th this resolution will just stand up the body, but then once we have the candidates and we've selected the board, then they'll create the bylaws and all the other processes that go with that >> and the bylaws and processes would all come back before us.
>> Correct. >> Yes. And I think that's the important thing to know is we're still kind of crawling, you know. Um, any other comments, questions? >> I do have one uh clarification, Miss Moscow. You asked if the uh candidates
should reside in North Bard. Actually says all candidates must reside in Bvoulevard. Doesn't clarify specifically North Bard. >> That's what I thought. And so I would prefer that it says North Bard since this funding is coming from the city of the seed money is coming from the city of Titusville. So uh the city of Titusville or North Bard.
>> So that boundary would be basically the uh >> district one county commission. All right. Yes. Thank you. And then also um the audit it says in there at minimum be an annual audit. If you want more than that we can certainly clarify that or
just at your request. >> So um there's going to be an audit but are there going to be for example quarterly reports or so we can see the projects and things that are being approved. And is it over a I'm sorry I I read this like last week, but if it's
over a certain amount, is that when city council is kind of alerted or how is that going to work? >> The specifics of all that can be determined later. Um this is really just creating a framework of the organization. >> So they'll hammer out a lot of those details in the bylaws which we approve.
>> Okay? >> You know, so as they kind of come together and form the organization, they'll come all back before us of processes, systems, liaison, approval amounts, all those things. But an annual audit is typically standard. Quarterly reports, you know, makes sense. But
we'll make sure when it comes back before us, all those things are included in the by. >> So the change could be that it's North Boulevard or Titusville. If you guys would agree to that to being on the >> We we would recommend North Bard. >> And just for ease of calculating that, District One County Commission, District
One School Board, they're all aligned. That makes sense in terms of lines because if you just say 528, it's really gray. All right. Is everybody good with those changes? Any further discussion? All right. Somebody want to make a motion?
>> Move to approve. >> You're mic's not on. Resol move to approve resolution number one- 2026 with the changes that we outlined uh establishing the
uh EDC board of directors and executive director. >> Second. >> I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion from councel? >> We just want to clarify what the actual motion is actually changing in this resolution. You're going to change the
board of directors to anyone within North Bard. >> North Bard. >> And was there >> having a consultation with the city attorney? >> Okay. Yeah. >> Nick's not running up a big legal bill.
>> Yeah. >> All right. Any other tweaks or changes, council? >> All right. City clerk. >> Member Moscoso. >> Yes. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yes. Member Stokel. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you very much.
Thanks for being here, Nick. >> City manager. >> Moving on to >> moving on to new business. 12A is the employee benefits project status update. And we have our HR director and our health benefits advisor will outline
that agenda item. Good evening, >> mayor and council members. Good evening. Um, so after the presentation of pharmacy benefits and as you all recall um coming off a very challenging year with uh
health care and our cost particularly um highost claimments um that affected the uh health care plan. um you heard the report from our pharmacy audit and certainly there were
some challenges concerning our our pharmacy plan. So um we as a internal committee um involving uh our department's finance, HR uh purchasing
um we had some discussions uh opening some discussions with uh um physician network uh namely uh um parish and and some of the network that they provided.
I think we had a very good conversation. I remember having the conversation with uh Chris McAlpen uh about the particular network that might be available that we could provide to our employees. Uh so we began that discussion
um and um you know I remember his response and said Joe you're not alone. Um there's a lot of uh communities that had high cost claimments and had pharmacy challenges just like us. Um so
we also began our discussions with Bvard County. Uh we understand there's some commonalities with Bvard County to continue with their cost containment having to deal with highcost claimments and and pharmacy.
So, um, we've been working together, uh, since the beginning of the year. Um, and I'd like to, um, if our benefits consultant can summarize some of the components that, uh, in a little bit more detail about our strategies for a
health u, uh, health strategic plan going forward. So, >> all right. Thank you, Joe, and good evening, council, Mr. Mayor. Um, so we're going to go over the proposed strategy, but I welcome feedback. this is our recommendation. Um, but I want
this to be um, you know, get your direction, get your feedback. And so to start looking at the guiding principles for our strategic plan, as Joe mentioned, this was a tough uh, year, not just for the city of Titusville, but for many, many employers seeing rising
health care costs um, outpacing general inflation. And so the goal for our 2026 2027 immediate strategy is to maintain stable coverage for employees and retirees, improve financial sustainability um for the self-funded
health plan, reduce administrative burden and reduce operational risk, increase transparency and flexibility for future decision-m and align with regional market practices and regional employers. So as Joe mentioned also this was a
collaborative development um using uh team members from human resources, finance, risk management, purchasing and one digital. Um so this cross functional approach ensures there's financial oversight, procurement compliance, operational feasibility and then risk
management alignment. So currently the city does have uh several contracts with varying vendors and varying effective dates. Um so as you can see uh medical ASO administrative services only and PBM which is pharmacy benefit manager for the self-funded plan is with Etna that
currently does have a contract expiration date through September 30 of 2029. There was an RFP that was done in 2019 that allowed for that number of uh renewals. So that is the maximum term with Etna today. There was also um under your dental and
COBRA that is currently with Etna uh from a 2023 RFP. So that is going to be going through 2028. Stop loss is also an annual contract that's currently with Sunlife expiring uh September 30, 2026. Vision with Humanana is expiring um
September 30 of 2027. And then your flexible spending accounts that's actually expiring coming up here in March. And then group life and AD and D or accidental death and dismemberment with Minnesota life is expiring at the end of September of this year.
So the city currently administers to accommodate these uh different contract periods. They have three enrollment periods, three open enrollments. The first one is Medicare with um January one effective dates. Second is March for FSA only and then October 1st for the
remaining benefits. Um despite the benefits um for medical dental and vision being on a fiscal year basis aligned with October one um your calendar your deductibles and out-of- pocket maximums are currently on a calendar year basis. So if you do change
plans there is a transition of um deductibles and accumulators which is additional uh manual intervention. So um in addition to the accumulators uh not aligning with the plan year um each open enrollment is a manual process today.
There is not a online enrollment system. Um and so that requires 9 to 12 weeks per year to manage these three open enrollments on a manual basis and that's just as a rough estimate. And so part of our strategic plan is to
move uh the city's benefit plans to an aligned calendar year. um beginning January 1st, 2027, um with the implementation of an online benefits enrollment platform. This would allow for one open enrollment period for staff to manage um which reduces both uh
qualitative and quantitative costs by just having one open enrollment. So, we'd consolidate um your benefit lines into one annual enrollment period. This would reduce the manual processing and staff workload throughout the year. Improve accuracy of data and payroll integrations throughout the year and
then align with the neighboring employers as well. If others are comparing plans, which plan do they want to enroll in? Most employers are on a calendar year basis. Um so again that would enable automation of um the annual elections, improve payroll integration and then again reduce that manual
intervention where we can. Strategic action number two is focused health plan cost management. So um as a result of the PBM audit, we did have some interesting findings and um with uh the results of the audit, we are
proposing a PBM only or the pharmacy benefit manager portion of the contract with Etna as a a standalone procurement. Um Etna uh CVS currently owns Etna. So there is there has been concerns in the past around conflicts of interest. Um so wanting to ensure that we hold Etna
accountable on the PBM side as well. Um you do as I mentioned earlier have those renewal periods on the ETNA medical ASO side through 2029. So to leverage their um carveout flexibility, Etna actually does allow for um their the PBM portion
to be carved out with minimal fees. Um relative to other carriers that do charge pretty significant administrative fees to carve out the pharmacy benefit portion. um Etna does charge relatively low fees, lower than the administrative fees that you're paying for the pharmacy benefit administration today. So we see
that as an opportunity um to have a more flexible partner on the PBM side. Um we also in addition to um looking at the PBM only procurement, we'd want to do an independent audit of the medical claims. Uh we did go through a pharmacy benefit audit that we presented earlier, but
we'd also like to look at a medical claims audit um on on the medical administration side. In addition to those immediate actions that we're proposing, we're also evaluating high-cost medication management solutions for specialty and GLP1s. We're also looking at
comprehensive weight management programs. As you heard earlier, there is a significant driver of diabetes medications on the plan. So looking at holistic ways to provide um resources for your employees and retirees. And then once aligned on a calendar year basis, we'd be looking at future joint
procurement opportunities with Bvard County to have more flexibility to do those um to utilize the purchasing cooperative and have aligned benefit, you know, uh benefit contracts. Strategic action number three is exploring high performance medical
networks. This is a trend that we're seeing in the market, especially across public employers. Um, so as Joe mentioned, we did have an initial meeting with Parish Medical Center, who is an interlocal partner and the city's current on-site clinic provider to explore their network strategy
capabilities. They have a narrow network plan that is um tied to their hospital system, which does increase um or or uh reduce your medical costs by aligning with one hospital system. So it's a strategy that we're evaluating um and through that there's better coordinated
care, quality outcomes and cost containment. So um we have begun those initial conversations and plan to have further conversations and develop a potential um narrow network strategy whether it's a tiered benefit design or a an additional plan option.
Strategic action number four is to establish a employee employee benefits advisory committee. Um so that committee would be comprised of five to seven volunteers. Um representation from both employees and retirees. They would serve in an advisory role providing oversight
on the health plan and their responsibilities would include reviewing financial performance and operational performance, identifying improvement or opportunities to for cost savings um and providing written recommendations to the city manager annually.
And then uh in terms of financial and strategic alignment, this uh proposed strategy does align with the city's financial stability initiative focusing on cost efficiency, administrative sustainability, and long-term planning. The desired outcome from this would be a phase disciplined approach that
strengthen strengthens fiduciary oversight, improves operational efficiency, and positions the city for more informed cost containment measures while minimizing member disruption. And so that leads to where we're looking for your feedback and input. Um we're
looking for direction on approval to facilitate the transition of all benefit lines to a calendar year basis beginning January 1, 2027 and then approval to proceed with our proposed 2026 2027 health plan strategic plan. Um and we would coordinate with the city attorney
um and and go through the competitive solicitation process coordinating with procurement um ensuring that the appropriate contract amendments are executed and compliance with all applicable regulations. >> That it >> that is it. >> All right. Um city clerk, are there any
cards on this matter? >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Just double checking so we don't get too far down the road and I forget. Uh city council member Stokal. >> Yes. before you probably have a lot of questions. I'm assuming >> may or may not. >> Um my only thing was and it goes back to the presentation earlier. I thought I
had heard um the gentleman here say that he we're we should not look into piggybacking with the county, but then also when I was meeting with staff, it looked like we wanted to continue maybe one more year with Etna and then maybe look at piggybacking to save money with the county. So I'm just a little bit
confused on that portion. >> So that's still under evaluation. Um I do have a meeting tomorrow with Bvard County. So the timing was a little tough to provide a solid recommendation. So that's why it is still under evaluation but their contract with their current uh
carrier has one more year. So I do want my recommendation is we need to take some sort of immediate action to manage the health plan because it has been um very high cost and volatile. So, um, instead of waiting a year to to coordinate a joint procurement with
Bvard County, I'd like to do a, um, the PBM only portion and leverage the minimal fees that Etna will charge because you still have time in your contract with Etna so we can see if we can find a more flexible um, better financial arrangement that would give us
opportunity to do just more innovative strategies, leverage um, international sourcing of different drugs. there's there's a lot more programs that we could look into um that Etna currently does not allow. So, uh I will pause there. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> All right. I guess I'll ask a question. Um so, when we started this Etna contract, was it seven years ago? Who negotiated that contract? >> That was me. >> That was you. Okay. And do you feel it's a good contract? Do you think it's
working? I mean, obviously we kind of went through and found some stuff, >> right? So, what kind of tweaks would you recommend to make it make sense? >> Yeah, definitely the PBM portion needs to have a closer look at um because I
think there's opportunity. We did exceed their minimum rebates. So, I think we can tighten up on those rebates, get higher guarantees if we go down that uh rebate route. There are other um administrators or PBMs that have the lowest net cost approach providing a
different form of um rebates and uh Rey, you can probably speak to more of the details on um you know those getting to the lowest net cost. Um but that is something that um I think we really need to take a closer look at and then through the medical audit identifying
anything additional that may not be you know they may not be administering correctly but from a anecdotal standpoint from from my experience we did just go through a competitive um RFP process comparing Etna's discounts to other carriers and Etna was very
competitive and comparable um even looking at the um locations that um the city of Titusville uses with Parish Medical Center and Health First. So, from a pricing standpoint on the claims side, which is the bulk of your costs, um Etna is is very competitive still. Um
and then from an administrative fee cost, so the medical ASO fees, they're very in line with um Bvard County, even Bard County being much larger. Um so, your administrative fees are are still pretty competitive. And and then with plan design, so if we
back up to before we increased the enhanced plan to $100 a month for the employee only, um you guys designed that plan. >> We did. Yeah. >> And then so zero for basic and zero for enhanced. And then we tweaked it or y'all tweaked it to charge $100 a month
for the enhanced plan? >> Yes. >> And so did the out-of- pocket maximum factor into the calculation of how you guys came up with those numbers? So, why would somebody choose the enhanced plan? >> It to have lower co-pays, have a lower deductible, depends on their health care
needs. Um, but by having both plans at a $0 um you know, a Z premium for employee only coverage on both plans, it really did not encourage people to to question it. Um, >> 100%. But that's the plan you guys put together. And then you changed it where
if you pay $100 a month, you could end up paying $200 more a year if you hit your out of pocket maximum. So again, that that plan design doesn't make sense. And Etna inherently is not a TPA. They're they're a carrier. And you know, when you look at carving off the
PBM, um there's only so many PBMs that are certified with Etna. Correct. There's a pretty long list, >> you know, and one of them is probably CVS Caremark. >> Yeah, we wouldn't recommend CVS Care Mark, but uh um Maxer, Proact, some of
these middle market PBMs that we've seen a lot of uh you know, cities go to uh definitely have more flexibility. So, I believe there's a lot more PBMs out there in the market, you know, well Dines here in Florida um that's, you know, would bid on a project like this.
Yeah, because from, you know, my perspective, I see that, you know, Etna's PBM is not in line with market norms. I mean, you guys disagree with that because you guys just said that. You said it's very much in line. Uh, that's not what I'm seeing in the marketplace. And then looking back at your pharmacy audit, and just to quote,
RX Connection utilizes the internal drug list called RX Defender, which looks for non-essential opportunities that provides less expensive alternatives. RX connection recommends the city of Titusville engage in clinical program management to better align with plan spend clinical savings opportunity. So
was RX Defender available to the city last year? >> Uh no the ARX Defender list is an internal um portion of what we call our total risk management platform. Um that's separate from Gina's group that's with our ARX connection avenue. What
we're really trying to highlight there is the so when I look at the arcs defender list I call those the lowhanging fruit. That's minimum disruption same effectiveness. So a lot of those medications um the alternative medications will provide the same effectiveness at a lower cost. uh we
look at, you know, whether it's a combination medication where you're taking one pill for $1,000 for instance, um two pills, same medications in that one pill could be $20. Uh things such as that. So, we're kind of looking at your
planet as a whole and saying, can we provide the same effectiveness at a lower rate? >> 100%. And I'm just, you know, again confused as to why, you know, this wasn't being done up until now. And again the conversation we had before is why was there no pharmacy audit done now and you know I don't know is that HR is
that you guys and trying to make sure everybody knows their responsibility and then um going back to the pharmacy audit can you explain why the generics the biosims and uh the formulary um were excluded from the claims audit >> yeah that's a good question um kind of
goes back to what I was saying before um a lot of the times actually when you talk bioimilars um >> when let's say hum for instance when and that has a higher rebate for the manufacturer coming to the PBM. Uh when the biosimilars came out, those rebates
went away, which means that drug price, even though it didn't go down extraordinary, did go down quite a bit. Uh the PBM has little ways, especially Etna. Um I've seen biosimilar being covered on other PBMs, but Etna as one
of their kind of uh we'll say no, if you will, when it comes to exclusions. So there are ways a PBM can affect drug price and they're when they go in they do the forecasting there's certain drugs they they know they can't affect very
much so they'll exclude those drugs when we go through an RFP process we're going to look at the exclusions we want to see as little as exclusions as we can because we want all claims to be included in that guarantee because that means across the board um PBM's being
held accountable able to doing that lowest net cost. >> So there was no uh rebates on Humera. >> Uh there are rebates on Humumera. >> Why didn't we get any? >> I believe you did. I can provide you with the exact number of the rebates. >> I wasn't seeing that in the audit.
>> What' you say? >> I didn't really see that in the audit. Um, we didn't list exactly like Humumera out line by line rebates on there, but if you'd like, I can definitely provide a list of drugs we think are rebatable.
>> Yeah, because hum I mean, what's the average cost of that? >> Um, >> $90,000. >> Yeah, I I would say. Yeah, it's >> Well, there's a suitable alternate for what? $12,000. >> Yes, there's a few out in the market
right now. So again, just trying to figure out how we, you know, take care of our people and be costefficient. And uh, you know, I know Parish has this down pretty well in terms of the pharmacy and their formulary and what they do. Um, but
unfortunately governments take a long time to move and while I do think that coming together and creating something that government employs countywide because I know the school board has issues, other cities have issues, the county, everybody. That's a big ship and
that's going to take forever to move. And to the point, our ship is sinking here. Um, we had to move how much money over last year to cover our medical fund? I mean, it's costing on average $15,000 per employee. Um, so I think we
need to get a handle on this sooner than later. And I guess my concern is is every time we have one of these kind of gettogethers, uh, I'm just kind of losing confidence and I'm confused as to how we made a motion on June 10th. Member Stokal made the motion to draft a
RFP for a benefits consultant and yet we're still working with the benefits consultant to draft our future. And it's nothing against One Digital. So, I don't think it's RX Connection who is owned by One Digital, but you guys put together a plan. I didn't
even Did you guys get that plan ahead of time? I didn't see it in the agenda packet. I I don't feel comfortable adopting a a health plan uh for for our employees at this moment because we don't know, you know, I think uh a
more comprehensive look needs to be done. Um, while I know you guys have it in the timeline, why is it taking so long? >> Yeah, because I want all the ideas coming out. I want it to be competitive. Like, no offense to Miss Gina here, but
you know, there's all kinds of different ideas out there >> on how we can do this effectively. >> Yeah. So, mayor, to your point on on going back to u the RFP that we did in what 2019 with uh with Etna, um
there were uh it was a competitive bid process as I recall. I sat on the committee and between Sigma and and Etna um and uh Robinson Bush one digital uh did an audit of their discounts and and
and found that um Etna's discounts in terms of the medical um claims uh contracting were more competitive than than the other biders primarily Sigma.
So um at that time that's why Etna was was chosen because of the discounts and I don't think those discounts have changed or they they've continued to be competitive in the marketplace. So that's why we've focused on on on the
uh pharmacy side is um and and I'm interested knowing that one thing that we we brought into this equation is our employees. Our employees voiced two concerns um during particularly during the open enrollment
process. um you know why was our our our our premiums climbing higher or uh and that was to pay claims. We had a number of high cost claimments. Um and number two the issue with uh GLPs and uh and
access to GLPs. Uh we didn't have any gu uh guard rails for GI GLP1s. We do now through some pre-authorization and we're trying to manage that. Um, so you know the the we think that that
I'm interested in knowing from our employees and you mentioned our employees were this program is for them um with a committee that uh we would we we formed a committee when we developed
the value plan and um they helped us when we only had one plan at that point. The employee committee helped us value uh because the enhanced plan was was costly at the time to them and they helped us prepare a value plan which we
now have an option. So by listening to them, I'm interested in knowing from them as we move forward how we can contain costs, keep the premiums that they can manage themselves and paying those premiums, but at the at the same
time paying for our claims. And again, we've had some very high cost claimments. I'll share with you at the end of uh this last fiscal year, we had a very high cost claim.
um that had we not been able to manage the discounts that Etna provided, it was over a $3 million claim was one of our employees who was hospitalized for a long period of time. That claim was little over three million and uh as a
result of the discounts, it was about 900,000. And then when you add our reimbursements in place that we have um the city only had to pay the deductible of 190,000. So we feel that we have the
the cost contained strategies in place to go forward. Um the near-term result we think from from our professionals is the pharmacy program and we're listening to our
employees on how we can manage co-pays um deductibles uh premium costs but at the same time uh an affordable plan that that that we can pay. So, um,
I think the the confusion I have is none of that answered my question of how did we get from we want to shop out for the best ideas as a consultant to we're going down this path and directing a strategic plan. And I do listen to the
employees. I bet a lot of us talk to the employees. They're not happy. So, I don't think you can sit there and say, "We're listening. We got it." because I just kind of went through point by point by point years of different decisions
that don't add up. And that's my my issue here is that there's a track record. There's a pattern. And so I want to see something major done. I do agree that the PBM is lowhanging fruit.
Intertwining it with Etna as an TPA is probably not the solution and their network is not that great to begin with. So there's going to be some definite changes need to be made including the ASO and including um the network. So
member Stokele. >> Yes. Um this is definitely not my area of expertise. Um, so when it comes to health care for our employees, the two top two priorities for me, one is quality of life. Making sure our employees can go to the doctor they need
to go to. They're not constrained by certain things. That's top. And then number two is cost. So those are the things I'm consistently looking at. Um, I think to the mayor's point, I do remember that when we had discussed this before, we did I do remember making a motion to do an RFP to go out so we could see options for so did whatever
happened with that I don't believe the motion I have to check. I won't. >> Okay. >> But was it actually a motion and it was passed? >> Yes. >> If so, >> I will read it for the record. Motion. Member Stokel. Move to request the staff to address their request for proposal
for employee benefits consultant health insurance for FY26 and bring back to the council for their review and recommendation. Vice Mayor second. Motion carried unanimously. So, so we may Mary you're referring to the health benefits consultant. >> Yes.
>> Okay. So, um we've been working with purchasing purchasing is uh working through that process right now. um they should have that fi the scope of work finished with
probably the next two weeks February and it should be um the the uh plan is then once that RFP that scope is complete would be uh brought back to you all for I think that was the plan is that you
would you would review it and the uh then it would be placed out onto the market around the March time frame. frame >> so that we would get proposals back. Um, >> this motion was made June 10th. >> I'm sorry.
>> This motion was made June 10th. >> And I think the intent, at least from my perspective of making that motion was, again, this is not my area. Clearly, this is uh the mayor's what his career is in. And so I think the intent was because at least for my perspective, I'm
not very familiar with this so I don't even know what questions to ask sometimes was to get this RFP so we could look at the criteria and hopefully the mayor could guide us in some good questions to make sure that we're covering for our employees. And now it feels like here we are, you know,
February when that was made June and we haven't gotten an update on that as we're trying to make improvements for the city and now we're being presented a plan here that it feels like we weren't able to kind of contribute to. >> And and to go even a little bit further,
do you guys remember when during open enrollment we voted to approve something they already offered to the employees? >> It was too late to make changes. Yeah, >> that's where at that time we said as soon as October 1 was here, let's go start from scratch, come up with new
ideas, put together a plan to tackle it in 2026. And it feels like we're dragging our feet. And I I got to ask why. So, mayor, we're not dragging our feet. Okay. Um, you know, it it it it's
my job to to uh um to do the best in in in in developing a strate strategic plan uh for our our our our benefits uh program for our employees. And that's what we've been doing as a as an
internal committee since the beginning of the fiscal year. Um that's that's our plan. this the the strategy is to continue down that path. We we need some prof some professional help in guiding us through that medical
plan. Um to your point of the the benefits consultant that's in the process and uh it it will it will come back to you in you know in that that February time frame. Um, we're also
working partnering with uh with Bvard County. We've had some uh discussions with them. Um, you know, we're we're doing we're not delaying. I assure you, sir. We're not we're not we're not delaying. We're moving forward with we
think this is a strategic plan and moving forward with some cost containment uh strategies. But again, kind of going back to the beginning, you wouldn't put the cart before the horse if you knew that we made a motion that we wanted an RFP for a consultant.
>> Yeah. >> Why would you engage the current consultant to continue to work on the future plan? And I'm not saying that they're not going to win it. I have no idea. But I think that's what needs to be addressed. And uh again, it's just I'm trying to figure out why.
I I don't think we're putting the cart before the out course. I think the the health plan uh is the near-term that needs some help. We need the benefits consultant some professional advice and helping with that. We're getting that
out in in in the market while coinciding. We're working to get that procurement uh RFP done as you s as you or you know it informed us uh to get done with the benefits consultant that's
in the process. >> Thank you. I mean I have a lot more questions about the pharmacy audit but I I won't dive into them here because I think they're more technical in nature. Uh, member Nelson, >> I'm going to suggest that we table this for two weeks
to the next meeting and that we have the RFP on the agenda at that meeting. >> Was that a motion? >> That's a motion. >> Second. >> I have a motion and I have a second. Any
further discussion from council? >> Um, no. I'm okay with that. I still don't know if that's going to give me an I'm glad we will have the RFP, but I don't know if that will give me enough confidence to approve this what we're getting presented as well. I think that's my again, this is not my area,
but I feel like the mayor has brought up several things since he's been on council that have made me be like, "Oh, we need to look into this more." And not to say you're not doing your best, but I feel like there might be some other things as he's uncovered things during our meetings that I'm like, "Oh, this
this could have been better." Um, and I so I I think that I would want some more information before I would feel comfortable moving forward and approving the strategic plan that is being presented to us. So, I'm okay with tableabling it, but I'm just stating that.
>> Yeah. And to your point, I'm not in favor of, you know, approving that strategic plan that again I just saw when it presented up there. Um, don't get me wrong, there's some some solid stuff in there, but again, it's just trying to figure out why hasn't this
been done in the past and I want some new ideas going forward as well. And to answer everybody's questions about GLP1s, that is not the number one issue. People want to blame it on that. You can buy it on Merit Island for $200 a shot while CVS charging us a thousand.
>> It's down to 150. >> Down to 150. I guess you can even have it shipped to your home. Okay. So, you know, again, it goes back to being um direct contracting with our local providers like Parish. You can provide a wraparound network. There's a lot of different things we can do, but I I'll
leave it alone. Um there's a motion to second. City clerk. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yes. >> Member Stokel. >> Yes. >> Member Muscoso. >> Yes. >> Thank you very much. Motion carries. Thank you Joe. Thank you team. Appreciate you guys being here. I know
it's tough. >> Thank you. >> Sorry. Before we move on and this is another thing just on that topic. Have we looked into the state insurance plan? >> I will say that because the college switched over to the states and I was curious if that is something that we've
looked at potentially doing as well. C >> can you can I clarify? Are you talking about I Cuba the association? >> No talking about the state health insurance program and that was a result of Florida statute that correct state >> colleges why we had to but I didn't know if it was something that cities could
opt in to look at. Okay. Thank you. That's that was my only other question. >> So you're saying I Cuba is no more. >> That's not what I know but I was just asking because you know they're fully insured with Florida Blue and that was a whole other fiasco. city manager. >> Moving on to 12B, Christian Court Town
Homes preliminary plat for uh development on off of Garden Street. And Brad Parish is here to >> the Christian Court Town Homes, formerly known as Mercedes Town Homes, is a proposed town home subdivision on approximately 7 acres located north of
Garden Street behind McDonald's and O'Reilly's Auto Parts store on Garden Street. On January 20110th 20 uh 2006, city council approved a final plant called Mercedes Town Homes for 72 town homes on the subject property. However, the final
plat was not rewarded and the approval subsequently became null and void. The former property developer um completed certain site improvements including installation of utilities, construction of internal roadways which remain in place today. These existing improvements will be tested and inspected as part of
the future site development and town home construction to ensure compliance with current standards. The preliminary plan is consistent with the comprehensive plan and the preliminary plat requirements described in chapter 34 article 3 division 5 plat the code. I will give you a little bit of background
here. Um the parcel known as lot 5 was originally created with the recording of the garden street associate subdivision lot 2 in 1996 and subsequent replat which is lot five in 1998. The original plat was for
two regional commercial zoned property parcels of no less than two acres adjacent to garden street. Plat was approved. The replat was for five lots and the resoning to community commercial and that was done in 1997 for parcels greater than 10,000 square feet. The
reason I give you this background is this whole property has gone through several types of development orders, approvals, plats, replplats. It's received various variances. one in uh 1997 uh was approved to allow the basin 2 which is part of this area to exceed the
area of critical concern standard of 40% to the maximum 50% for this particular parcel where this plot is uh being considered tonight. However, all of the entire original plot couldn't exceed 40%. And so when we received this request to go ahead and construct according to what was originally
proposed in uh several years ago, we realized that uh we were going to have to account for the maximum pvious coverages of all the other properties that have already been developed. We did that. We did a thorough investigation of our records, determined what they can and cannot do on their property, also
determined what changes in the code happened since 2006, and they had to address those with certain variances which they justified and were able to get received by the board of adjustments and appeals. Based on this information, uh we believe
that the application to preliminary PL is consistent again with the city's code. Um, and we recommend approval. >> Thank you, city clerk. >> Uh, Kim Fischer, >> John Morris.
>> Good evening. It's John Morris, 4001 Aninsley Avenue. That's Orlando, Florida. Um, 3283 uh 32833. So, I am here just to answer any questions the council may have regarding this project. >> Member Stokl,
>> um it's either for you or for Brad. Can you just clarify this uh hammerhead turnaround dead end that the request was made and is the applicant okay with it and why is that request made? >> Yes, I forgot to mention that. So, the planning and zoning commission did consider this preliminary plan. They
recommend approval 7 to zero. However, they did have a request was made to the applicant to explore and consider putting in a hammerhead turnaround on the deadend street that abuts tracks K and L or lots rather lots 43 and 42 on the provided preliminary plat. They did
provide to us an illustration of what that would look like. We shared it with several staff members who uh reviewed this in the site review team including the fire department and we didn't see a justification for it. Uh but I understand too that if this is implemented, it will take out several uh
lots um or I'm sorry, several of the units rather um which eventually will actually take out some of the lots because this is supposed to be a fee simple platted subdivision of town homes. So we staff did not um believe that the request is necessary. We believe they met meeting
the criteria as is. >> Okay. And I guess was the request made for emergency vehicles to be able to get in and out or what was their what was P&Z? They were concerned about how the emergency emergency vehicles will be able to turn around at the end of the street. We believe that they meet the
criteria as is. So I checked this reviewed it with a fire department and they didn't see an issue. >> Okay. And I'm assuming they would just uh pull in and back out because there's only four on each side. Is that >> I believe so. Yes. >> Okay. That's what I was curious about. Okay. >> And then we can speak Kim can speak our
engineer can speak more intelligently to that if you desire. >> Member Scosa. Um, how many parking spots does each unit get? >> Uh, two. >> Two. So, like was it one in the garage and then one and do you have additional parking available?
>> There will be some parking scattered throughout. There's going to be mailbox clusters and things like that where but none official the original plat didn't call or the original subdivision design didn't call for additional parking. So, what's already in the ground exists today and I don't see that there's a way
to add additional parking. My fear is I've lived in a town home um you know subdivision like this and first of all most people do not or cannot park because these are such small lots they're not parking I couldn't get my my van when I lived in a townhouse so then
we had to park in the um driveway and then luckily there was additional parking because there's no parking on the street because you cannot get an emergency vehicle around if you are parking in the street. So, that really does concern me if there's no additional parking >> and I think that's a valid concern.
However, because we're in the reclaim area, I think we're very limited to what we can do previously. Um, I'm not sure if we would be able to fit additional parking on the lot itself because of previous requirements. >> Well, I mean, we're not uh we're not
married to this plot. This was never recorded. So, um I I think if we see those things, I think now is the time to bring it up. Um if we choose to ask for some changes, those variances do not go with this. And
so, we want to see you develop on there, but I have some major concerns and I don't know if you want me to talk to you about it or to ask your engineer, but >> yeah, we can we can explore it further. I mean, this is a little bit different because it's an already existing subdivision. The roads, the infrastructure is already there. we are
simply taking over, bring it up to existing code and then going to finish the site. So, it's uh it's not like it's a raw deal where we can maneuver and manipulate the land and add uh to it. Um it would be worth talking about, but I don't know given our current setbacks
how much we could wiggle into the parking area. >> I mean, it it is a real deal deal because it was never recorded. >> Correct. >> Okay. So we could if we had wanted to scrap this completely because it was never recorded. My if you
want to hear my concerns, first of all, I don't feel like um PNC got a really good chance to look at it because they weren't given all the information. Mr. Parish gave us four pages of information and asked us to make a decision on this.
So I went back and asked him for more information. So, PNZ didn't get that extra packet that I had him send to us and then uh we had a little tango to try to even get that on the uh agenda so others could see it as well. So, my
concerns are one this is in the area of critical concern. >> It is >> it is and so there are supposed to be certain uh requirements for that. If we look over at Brookshshire, which I know is not your development, that is also in the area of critical concern. I'm
looking back at these variances that were given. I'm just going to read them and they're not binding unless we go with this plan. But the variances and I don't know, I actually went back and watched the video the BAA for the variances because I was curious
how in the world did it get passed. There was one on May 28th, 2025 to reduce minimum light lot size from 2,00 to,830 square feet. Reduce front setbacks from 25 to 20 ft. Reduce certain rear setbacks from 25 to 15 15
feet. And in every motion that's included in the condition, it does say this BA the BAA did say or sorry, the um yeah, the BAA did say this. The variance approval was contingent upon approval of replplat to support the proposed development.
And then in August 27th, there's another one, a variance. It was approved to allow building coverage to exceed the 50% on the lots. And that's our area of critical concern. And so I want to see you develop on this property. However, uh the amount of
units I'm concerned about, the the amount of lot coverage I'm concerned about because it's uh we we've just experienced historic flooding. Um I would like to see personally a much better plan than this. >> Okay.
City council seeing none. Member Nelson, >> I have to agree. Um, I think we need more information. It bothers me that we're talking about over
50% lot coverage. Um, and a substantial reduction in setbacks. So, I'm I'm just not crazy about it. >> Member Stokl.
>> Yes. Yes. And I think to member Mscoso's point when she was asking about parking um and you saying it's not possible, I think it is possible. You just might not be able to do as many units potentially. I think that's what we're kind of getting at is we want to see you
develop, but we might need to make some compromises so we can ensure there's no flooding, that people can actually park at their units, those types of things. >> Okay, understood. >> Anybody else? Not seeing any. >> May I uh provide some information?
>> Yeah. >> So, what you have here is an applica, a plan that is not a reszoning, if you will. I mean, it's this is a plan that went through the administrative process with a site plan associated with it. Yes. The
additional documentation that uh Miss Muscosa mentioned was not provided to PNZ because it wasn't required to be provided to PNC nor was it initially provided required to be provided to city council. The code only requires us to bring the preliminary plat which is basically the layout that you see here in the agenda. The addendum to your
agenda was the additional information that was requested by Miss Muscoso which was shared by you and added to the agenda. So that is in additional information that PZY could have certainly asked for. In fact, it's not doesn't include the entire package of the site plan. That was just several sheets of the site plan and all the
reports were not provided. If you want to see more information, we can certainly provide that to you. I do want to say though that this particular project went through all the requirements. It meets all the requirements. it received the variances according to code and as the board of adjustment
determined with the variances and criteria that provided to them and they're binding to this particular layout. So I think what you're asking for is some means of maybe asking to revise something here maybe a layout but you
need to point to something that they're inconsistent with. And that would be my recommendation to you is that there have to be something that you have to identify you to substantiate the change. What is it that is inconsistent with when it's already been determined to be
consistent? >> Attorney MSO. >> Attorney, thank you. >> Promotion. >> Um, I'm going to push back a little bit on that. Brad, I would hope with good faith that you would give us all the documentation that we need to make a good decision. and I do not feel like
you did that on this this project and also to PNZ. So, I'm glad I asked, but I would hope that as much information for us to be able to make a good decision will be given on every project moving forward. Um,
second, like I said before, this this was not recorded. We are not bound to anything. So, yes, we could give him suggestions on what we would like. Obviously, we want uh emergency vehicles to get through there. We want to make
sure that there's not going to be flooding. Um this is our area of critical concern. So, that means that we need the aquifer recharge there. I don't like the setbacks. There's a whole list of things I could tell you that I don't like, but we are not bound to this. And
I just want to make that clear. As much as Brad, you say we are not bound to it. It was not It was not recorded. And according to state statute, we're not bound to this. >> I I agree with you, ma'am. I'm just trying to point out to you that the code states what we're required to give to
you. If you'd like to make a change to the code asking us to provide to you additional information on a routine basis that we would need to have. The other thing I want to point out too is the code states that after consideration of the administrator's recommendation the planning and zoning
commission may recommend approval approval with conditions or denial of the preliminary plan based upon the review criteria contained in the code. The planning and zoning commission shall forward its findings to the city council whereupon receipt of said findings shall shall either approve approve the with
conditions or deny the preliminary plat. Approval of the preliminary plat by the city council authorizes the applicant to proceed with the site plans and preliminary plat. Approval of the preliminary plat with conditions authorizes the applicant to proceed with the site plans once the administrator certifies in writing to the applicant
that all conditions have been met. If the preliminary plat is denied, no similar submitt on said property shall be made for one year from that date of denial. So I think if you're going to deny it, you would need to have site something. If you're going to approve it, you could approve it with certain
conditions. That would be my recommendation to you. >> Can I ask the attorney if we are going to deny, we need to state why? >> Uh yes, you would have to put on the record as to reasons for a denial of an application. >> Absolutely. Happy to Brad. I feel like
what you're doing is putting a aspirin in, you know, a piece of chocolate and and giving it to us and trying to trick us. If I can be very very honest, I know, but I would feel if I were on PNZ and I'm new at it, I I wouldn't know exactly what what to ask and it was like
pulling teeth to get additional information. And I just I want to be clear about that. So, um I I'll let others have uh time to discuss, but I'm >> If I may, I can give a little bit more color to this. This has been a a two-year work with us in the city of
Titusville going through multiple reviews. Our initial um application was to submit this as a master plan development that went to the state for platting. So, it wouldn't be fee simple lots. The entire community would be one development which would bypass this
council. So that was the first option and then after several meetings with Brad and his team, we determined that there was another route and that a fee simple route which we're going now would be a easier and more beneficial to the city versus having one platted
apartmentl like town home community. So uh that's the reason why we've made this switch and gone this route. Um and I think that's the reason why and Brad can attest this has been a two-year work for us. Um so you know um I think I can we
can let Kim the engineer speak more intelligently to the design and and other um aspects to the code but just this is just a little bit of our frustration is we've gone two years. Our first initial was a master um platting with the state to be more of an apartment style town home and then we
shift that about a year in to be a more of a fee simple plat. So um I I would rather not go back to option one. I feel this is a better uh development for the city having fe simple platted lots with
individual ownership versus a rental style community. >> Can I ask when was the last time this property sold? >> Uh earlier December 1st I purchased from December 1st. >> December 1st. Okay. So of 2025. >> Correct. >> Thank you.
>> So >> yes. What is the current land use and zoning on this? >> The zoning is residential three multi or three rather. >> If you give me a moment, I'll just verify. Okay.
>> But I I do know it has a multif family zoning on it >> on the entire piece of property. >> Yes. >> Okay. And then um do you know why BAA what was the hardship for the variances being approved?
>> Is that a question for me >> or anybody that knows? >> I'd have to look specifically at the particular report or or specific uh variance that was requested. But I do know that whatever was requested the
board of adjustment determined that met the hardship. And it sounds like member Mscoso said that it they added on there with the caveat that it's I forget what you said. Um it meets all requirements or and they probably didn't see this plan I guess is what I'm getting at. So
that's where to have more clarification on what BAA's intent was. What was the hardship that was explained why they felt like they could give it and then they probably didn't see how many units or what was being proposed. >> They would have had to see the layout of this plan. >> They did see this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the layout hasn't changed in
>> Okay, so they saw the layout that we see and then do you remember what the hardship was for the variances? >> I don't I can we can defer to our engineer. >> Okay. >> One was because they made a mistake and then they had to go and add add an additional variance just to make the
first variance work. >> I I did request all the meeting uh notes as well >> um to be sent out. I'm not sure if that was done. >> That's true. It was this was a very difficult project to try and get to work and so because of the changes of the code since for the past 20 years there
were some uh hurdles that they had to go through to kind of justify it. They were able to do that with certain changes and configurations here and there. Um and mainly to try and utilize the existing footprint of the uh infrastructure that was put in there 20 years ago. Uh and to
answer your first question about the land use and zoning, it is uh highdensity residential and it's a land use and has an R3 multif family zoning district on it. And I again I I would like to have some type of development here. I think and
this is no fault of your own, but I was here when we were going through the Brookshshire development, which again is nothing to do with you, and was assured by staff, this is fine. And then we had this record-breaking rain in a short amount of time, which can happen again.
And we had to close our 95 exit. The state has to get involved. People's homes like it. And so I just want to make sure I'm not up here as a decision maker saying, "Oh, yeah, it's fine." And then we have residents either here or in the surrounding area now when rain comes, we have water going into people's
homes. That is my that is my number one concern that I say over and over again with any proposed development. Again, no fault of you. It's just >> being up here and seeing this, I it gives me pause. I think I think there's a little bit of uh uh clarity on this because this is a little different than
taking a wooden subdivision or a wooden plot of land and turn it into a subdivision. This subdivision has been in existence for 20 years. So, we've been able to see over time over the last 20 years how this affects the surrounding community. And we're not changing anything. The grade points that
are there, the roads are there, the storm water ponds are there, everything has been functioning for 20 years and hasn't bled into the existing neighborhoods. So, I think we can be a little bit more at a peace of mind knowing that this has been proven over the last 20 years in the city of Titusville.
>> Thank you, Vice Mayor Cole. >> This question is for the city attorney. Um, we can't disapprove this legally if there aren't any specific reasons that
go against code. Correct me if I'm wrong. Well, of course, I'll give you the attorney answer. Depends. Uh, of course, if you're going to deny an applicant, any application, you'd have to put on the record the uh substantial competent evidence, so to speak, as to
why you're denying it. So, that would be uh definitely the recommendation for the council. If you you are going to deny something, you would have to put on the record as to the reasons and what authority are you relying on to deny
such a request. >> Member Mosa. >> Yeah, I would just say uh when the motions were made for the variances says the variance approval is contingent upon the approval of a replat to support the proposed development. So for me that's
the reason it's Just for clarification, um, council member Muscoso, are you understand or I would like to advise you that the variances were all previously granted and um, it is binding based
>> if we approve the plot. But if we don't, I my understanding is that they don't go with it. >> The variances would go with the um, uh, application at this point in time because they've been approved by a previous board. who has the authority to approve and grant the variances.
>> That That's correct. So, we will develop this project regardless of whether or not we plat individual lots or we do a master plan. These variances went through and gives us the right to build as you see on the layout. Uh the only thing that's up to is whether or not we plat with the city of Titusville or we
plat with the state. >> I just personally don't want to be responsible for this development. I think that it's not in the the favor of the city or the residents. Um, my understanding is that it doesn't, but I'd have to have some time to really
look that up. Member Nelson, >> I think we're in a situation that if we can't point to the code and say we're violating this, this is reason
that we don't want this project or disapproving project. I think we're almost in a situation where we have to approve it. >> Not that it makes me happy, but I think
>> Can you point to where it says we have to approve it? I I I'm really struggling because I feel like it wasn't recorded. >> So, uh, member Muscos, I think it's interesting. Again, I'm not an attorney either. If you look at our options, it says recommend
approval or do not recommend approval. Normally, these things say approve or deny. And I think that's kind of an interesting distinction that the staff put on there as to what our capabilities actually are. Mr. Parish, >> um, I'll just repeat again what I read
here. So, it's a really here are your real options. Approval of the preliminary plat by city council authorizes the applicant to proceed with site plans and the preliminary plat approval of the plenary plat with conditions authorizes the applicant to proceed with the site plans once the administrator certifies in writing to
the applicant that all conditions have been met. If a preliminary plan is denied and they have they can't resubmit it same in a year. What I want to point out about being a denial on the quasi judicial process like this is that you would need to site a particular violation of the code that they are not
consistent with. That would be my recommendation. >> Well, I would like to make a motion to table this into our next meeting because I feel like we haven't been given enough. Well, sorry. I think there's more cards, but I'm just going to say I don't feel like I've gotten enough information. I don't feel like the
council has gotten enough information. And if we're going to do this, and we have to do it, I want to make sure um because we are going to be responsible. We we're going to be responsible for this development and we need to be able to say 100% that we did everything and
we there was nothing we could do or uh I just feel I would feel more comfortable, but I know that we have another card. >> Say cler, how many cards do we have on this matter? >> Okay. Right. >> Hi, good evening. Very late evening. For the record, Kim Fischer, engineer of
record for this project. Um, I do want to say, and John is right, we did look at going into basically a condominium style, which we would then flat through the state. But one of the things that we want to do is um make this also an affordable affordability to go condo and
do some other things. I know sometimes it's between our brain and our heart and what we want to see versus sometimes what we get, but we also have to look at the community we're in and the residents we're serving and what the affordability is for it. Now, if we did like a um
traditional subdivision that has a 50-ft ride ofway and sidewalks on both sides, that's obviously going to cost a lot more and is not going to be um I don't want to say it's wellreceived. let's just say it's might not meet the affordability index for the residents.
So in order to get this project going and make it affordable to the residents here, we want to work with the confines of what's already in the ground, what's previously approved. I understand we may not like the code, but this is the code that we have. The code doesn't require
additional parking spaces. Um if you've ever lived in a town home, then you know parking is an issue. We certainly don't have any issue revisiting um and maybe working with staff to see if we can get some grass parking spaces. Um that's
something we can look at later when we do the final. Um since this is a preliminary plat preliminary plat we still have the site plan approval and the final site plan approval, construction plans and the final plat. Um, but we can definitely look at trying
to add some grass parking spaces because I get you that sometimes things get a little crowded, but we also understand that um what the code is and so we're abiding by the code. Some of the variance we were given
um was specifically was there was some drainage easements and utilities on the rear of the property lines and when we talked with public works those were in existence and being utilized and they didn't want to get rid of those. So when the setbacks were decreased, some of
them was because since we've got to do all of the lots, we had some easements in the rear and so it's part of our lot, we're not going to be able to use it, but it changed the setback was because of some existing easements. So when you're bounded by the street um that's
existing the the pond, we're trying to work within the confines. So, I believe there were some code changes between 20 years ago and now that changed lot sizes and setbacks versus how it was actually
built. And so, to go in and say, "Hey, we don't care about that. Let's rip everything out and start all over." Well, now we're going to be into an expensive project that instead of a house starting at a base price point, the house is going to start at a base
price point plus another 100 grand or whatever that number may be. So, we are trying to to be good stewards of the land in for Titusville and the residents of Titusville and get something a little more affordable here that the residents
can hopefully move into. >> Do you live here in Titusville? >> I used to and I still have property here. >> Okay. And then would you guys be willing to um I I'm still uh would love to table it because I we need more information, but I'm going to ask you, would you be
willing to uh reduce uh some of the the lots so that you could provide additional parking, not grass parking? I don't think at this um step we can look at it. I don't know that um the owner is going to be in favor of that because,
you know, we have been in this for two years. we have met all of the code. Um I'm certain as long as I don't want to I only want to speak from an engineering perspective, not at the ACC, but if we can do double parking spaces, even if
they're grass, um on some of the units, cuz I've had a town home, too, where yes, it was a single garage, but we were able to get a wider driveway in there and so that you could still fit two cars um in in front of the garage. So, as long as if staff will allow us to do
something maybe a little more creative, I don't I don't have any issues with grass parking spaces. Um, so if we can do that to add some more parking spaces, then we can certainly explore that. >> Is this an HOA community? >> It will be. >> Okay. >> Member Stokel.
>> Yes. Um, I can only speak for myself here, but um, I would be more in favor of the more expensive homes to have more green space and less units. And I appreciate you saying affordable housing, but I think that's a buzzword for the entire state
right now. And I'm still waiting and we're trying to get a grant as staff to see where our numbers compare to the surrounding areas because we traditionally in Titusville have had low home values and because of that our millage rate has had to be higher. And so one of my goals has been to actually
have some homes that come into the area that will help to increase our tax base so we can kind of be more even with some of our surrounding communities. So, I feel like there are some cities that, you know, don't have affordable housing, but I feel like we when we look at our counterparts actually have more than a
lot of the surrounding communities. So, that's not something for me personally when I see it being proposed like I would like to see something else. Um, so >> something else like um single family or well >> or just yeah, something where I know
that the residents can park that I know that there's probably additional green space that it's just more compatible. We have been I and I grew up here so we have traditionally been fighting to lower our millage rate to actually have I'm so tired of people working at the
space center and then getting on the highway going to Orlando or going to Vieira and not staying here and so that has been my biggest fight since I've been on council and it's like every time I see develop oh affordable housing affordable I home values have skyrocketed and I can blame a whole host
of issues. Um, so I would just like to throw that out there as >> I was saying I appreciate that. I don't think um next to a McDonald's and an O O'Reilly's is a good place to have single family homes. This is transitional between that. Now,
personally, I'd love to live right next to McDonald's. I eat there way too much. But, um, the zoning needs to be transitional. So, you really need between that heavy commercial and the residential behind us. Yeah, we need town home. Mhm.
>> Um but with that again being able parking and yes, just being able to have a livable space. >> Yeah. And I will say if we look at adding some additional parking spaces that won't affect the plat which is you know you're looking at a preliminary plat right now since it'll stay in
common area that won't affect the plat. The plat will still look the same because it'll be common area. You'll just have some parking spaces in the common area. So, just that on a side note, it won't change the way the plat looks. >> Thank you very much. >> You're welcome.
>> City clerk, >> James Troutman. >> James Troutman, 1705 Bara Avenue. Thank you for your time. Um, we did see this before planning and zoning. Um, actually, uh, member Gerard had brought
this up. the hammerhead um turnaround. Uh this was something that I was unfamiliar with. Like you're unfamiliar with certain things and well and then I've looked back into what this is and um to me personally this is a uh very
protective thing for our community, our citizens, our um our first responders at any point. What I'm worried about is this is the hammerhead part of it because I didn't know what that was during the planning
and zoning. I was actually going to resend my vote to a no vote. Um, but talking to the assistant man uh attorney, um, it was easier to come here and speak for my three minutes and give my explanation of the hammerhead than go
back through resending and bringing it before us again and all this. I didn't know what all that process was. I'm still learning that for this though, I don't think a human life has a value. I don't care if a lot gets taken out or
not. We're talking time. Any first responders is going to tell you seconds matter. I believe the issue was that this is 150 foot length and at a minimum
I think they're at 148t. So at 150 feet is what the requirement is I believe and and correct me if I'm wrong that that will say now we need to have a hammerhead put in here right so we're talking about 2 feet of difference here
of why yes or no a hammerhead or not I think that we can do better that's I'll leave it at that that was what I wanted to come and bring about the hammerhead situation why that was asked Thank you. Thank you, sir. Say,
>> the last card is KN St. Anil Avenue, Titusville Tree Team. Um, Christian Court's 7 acre site was previously cleared, leaving very few trees. The preliminary plat shows uh several small tracks labeled C through M
scattered between the town homes totaling 1.71 acres almost 25% of the development area. These cleared tracks are designated open space owned and maintained by the O HOA and should be planted with canopy trees per the tree
protection ordinance. Per staff the 2005 final plat is null and void. Therefore, I understand Christian Court Town Homes should be subject to the 2021 tree protection ordinance canopy requirements for residential subdivisions which includes town homes per council
September 28th, 2021. And if you don't believe me, I have the minutes for that. Uh wherein they do say that that town homes would be included in the tree protection ordinance. Um, the tree protection ordinance stipulates for residential subdivisions
a total canopy area of 25% of development area of residential subdivisions and a minimum preserve canopy area of 15% there is no preserved canopy um on this property per the tree protection ordinance. In the event there
is insufficient preserved canopy area to meet the required minimum preserve canopy area, the applicant shall be required to plant additional trees to meet the total tree canopy area. Christian Court's landscape plan therefore will need to include planting
canopy trees in the 1.7 acres of open space track C through M uh to meet the requirements of the tree protection ordinance. Planting native trees would greatly reduce water consumption. I believe they got a variance for water consumption. So that's one of the things
you need to think about. Perhaps council might make a condition of approval of the preliminary plat that it states the developer will comply with the tree ordinance by planting canopies trees and track C through M. And you might actually ask them to plant native trees
so as to reduce water consumption. Tree tracks scattered among the town homes would certainly beautify this highly dense town home subdivision. As the trees grows, they will shade and cool the complex, benefiting the many residents of the se 72 town home units.
If at all possible, please see if you can't reduce the number of units. That's a lot of people crammed in that little place. No room for their cars, no room for anything that get the trees and get some parking. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss K. City clerk. >> No more cards.
>> All right. Any further discussion from this board, Vice Mayor Cole? >> I I just want to ask the city attorney one more time. If we did not approve this,
we still have to not approve it with specifics that the property or the plat does not meet the code. The answer remains the same. Yes, you would have to put on the record as to the reason why it's being denied.
>> Okay. I right now in looking at it, I think it meets the code. Um Brad, somebody help me. I mean, there are certain regulations we have to abide by, and I think that might be one
of them. I mean, if we have a actual code problem here, we can disapprove it, right? But if we don't have a code problem, we really kind of can't, right? >> Um, I can't tell you what you can't do.
I >> I try >> I my re >> if I may um Brad maybe advise regarding staff's recommendation as to why the support for staff's recommendation maybe would be helpful for for the council
>> in our review of the code um I mean there's a lot that we review there's a lot of development standards inside the code setbacks are just one of them development st um engineering all of that goes into play uh the dimensions of the road the axis number of access points, everything, the uh open space
requirements, whatever that might be, the landscaping, um lighting, uh there's a lot. So, when we look, our site review team looks at the site plan and this plunary plat. And in this particular case, the pulmonary plat was what was required to be brought
before you basically the layout. We believe that the colonary plat is consistent with the requirements of the code. Uh and that is our recommendation. The site plan is a separate document. It does support us in our review of of a
pluner plat, but it doesn't it's it's a separate review basically. So that's the engineering um that is an administrative process. You do have on your addended um your addendum of your uh agenda some excerpts of that full site plan. So our
recommendation is that we believe it is consistent with the city's code and with the city's comprehensive plan and all the criteria of the plinary plan and we recommend approval. All right. Before anybody else jumps in, it's 10:27. >> Move to extend the meeting to 11
o'clock. >> Second. >> Could you have made it 11 at 10:45? >> I thought about that. >> All right. I have a motion. I have a second. All those in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. Member Nelson, you have the floor. >> Question. Um Brad, will they have to
comply with the tree ordinance? >> Yes. Okay. And were they okay with the idea of the Hammerhead parking space? They were not in support of it. We
reviewed the proposal that they how they they gave us an illustration of what it would look like. We did review that run that by the site review team including the fire department and ran that uh recommendation from P&Z by the staff and we didn't see a need for it.
>> Okay. Did the fire department think there was a need for it? >> Fire department was satisfied with the illustration you see on the addendum with the um turnaround at the end there. Now what the P&Z was asking for was something much more substantial.
>> Okay, >> which would take out several units. >> Okay. >> And the fire department didn't see a need for that. >> Just to clarify, I'm sorry I'm probably out of turn. what you have there existing and sorry we don't have an illustration is you basically already
have a hammerhead slashtturn existing already. So then to put another one in is um the NFPA I think we have about 130 ft to the end and NFPA is um 150 ft that
they'll they can back up but the way it exists right now is a hammerhead. So then PNZ was asking us to put in another hammerhead which was at the end of the day people would just park there. It wouldn't serve any purpose but people
would just park there and you know so so we looked at that and it was like a hammerhead on top of a hammerhead. So also a little weird but just so you know the way the way the configur configuration is now is some people call it a T-turn, some people call it a hammerhead but that's that's what's
there right now. >> Okay. >> Hope that helps. Member Stokel. >> Yes. Um, question for staff. What changes uh were made because this is in the area of critical concern >> changes as far as um what they had to
get in order to deviate from the standards of the code. >> Yeah. Since it's in the area of critical concern, it has certain standards. So, what what did we implement to make sure that we're protected because it's in the area of critical concern? So they got a little benefit in this particular parcel
because it was uh created as f out of a much larger plaque that had to adhere to the 40% requirement but they this parcel right here received uh more than 20 years ago probably 25 years ago a um a variance to exceed that to go up to 50%
provided this parcel in conjunction with all the surrounding parcels that were part of that original plat do not cumulatively exceed 40%. So when this project was submitted to us said, "Okay, you've got the benefit of 50% just for your parcel, but we're going to
calculate all the other parcels to see what they have and what they're allowed to have and then we'll we'll if if they've exceeded it, if they've eaten into your amount, then you have to reduce your your impervious." We didn't see that issue when we did our final calculation. We went through the the
plans of each of these projects all around them to come up with a determination and we determined they were able to utilize that original variance uh for that plat which was a tied to the PL original plat of 50% for this parcel. They provided um the
existing so we have the existing road uh the existing round um culde-sac there uh the building pads all of that calculates towards that maximum pvious coverage and so all of that right there they did not they demonstrated they do not exceed
that that 50%. So this project includes that you know that maximum threshold or right up to that maximum threshold plus everything else that's necessary in order to provide services to this applied subdivision with the storm water system the perimeter buffers uh the
landscaping the lighting uh the required parking per unit per unit and then the dimensions of each uh parcel or lot rather town home lot which has a minimum requirement dimension per the R3 zoning district. I
believe they asked for um a to a variance, correct me if I'm wrong, it was a variance to exceed the 50% for building coverage of the town home lot, not the development. So the green spaces you see in between
these lots is common area. It's just that the part the lot the town home lots themselves are a little bit smaller only because the building is a little bit bigger. So that that's one example of a variance that was granted in this particular case. And then I believe
there was a variance to allow uh certain uh drainage features inside perimeter buffers which was a new criteria actually a new standard that was put in place several just a few years ago. >> I hope that answer your question. I know there's a lot more to this, but
>> I think so. >> Member Mscosao. >> Brad, can you see anywhere in our code where this does not uh conform? I know sometimes you'll give us things and I've often seen things that are not put in there. So, I'm going to ask you on the
record, is there anything in our code where you feel this doesn't um conform to it? I believe it's con we the staff um goes through review of this until there are no more comments to make and when there are no more comments to make stating you
know you're in conflict with this section of the code you're in conflict with that here correct it here when we've run out of comments we've essentially have an approved project >> we but normally we get in a project we get that like it'll say level it'll say all of those questions I know this is not a reasonzoning but we'll kind of get
this was the part of it this is how they complied this is this question. This is how they complied. And we don't have any of that here either. >> No, you don't have a staff report in the in the same format as a resoning. No, that >> you're saying you think 100%
I believe 100% this goes with our code. >> We wouldn't bring this before you if we didn't believe it was consistent with the code. >> And you don't see any future issues like you also approved Brookshshire, correct?
I believe that was approved according to the code. Now you may be an issue that was brought up earlier about a a one-time 500y year event that I don't think we anybody could really design for. But yeah, that was a particular case that I don't think they could even
anticipate in. So they are this particular project is meeting the minimum requirements of the storm water and drainage requirements of the state and and our local code. >> So all everything >> but of our code. Yes, ma'am. >> Member Nelson.
>> Okay. >> I'm not I will tell you I'm not totally happy with the project. On the other hand, I recognize that it complies with the code and we don't have a legal basis to
deny it. So, I would move to approve the preliminary pledge with a condition that you guys work with staff to provide additional parking.
There's a motion. Second. >> All right. There's a motion on the floor and there's a second. Any further discussion? >> May I ask for clarification? Is there a threshold >> for the parking? >> Yes, ma'am.
>> I didn't put a threshold additional parking work with staff to provide additional parking. >> Member Stoville. >> Um, yes. I think I would be more in favor of tableabling it just so I can talk with staff a little bit more in our
attorney just to see what options are. Um, if we do in fact have to do it. I mean, there's nothing we can do, but I think to what member Mscoso said, if we have to do it, at least I want to feel confident that I've tried all avenues. Um, and I do feel like this is a very
complex uh agenda item with different different components to it. So, um I know it's not favorable and I don't really like tableabling, but um that's what I would want to do. >> Right. Thank you. Member Moscow. >> I Yeah, I would agree with uh members
Stokel. I think there's no harm in and giving us two weeks to just make sure that we're we're making the right decision. >> Well, the motion is not table. The motion is to approve with the conditions that uh the applicant work with parking.
So, that is the vote that will be called. City clerk. >> Yeah. Herman second. >> Yes. Mayor Connors. >> No. >> Vice Mayor Cole. >> Yes. >> Member Stokel.
>> No. >> Member Moscosa? >> No. >> And member Nelson? >> Yes. >> Motion fails. >> Okay. Then the motion would be to table this until the meeting on February 10th.
>> Uh, please amend your motion. >> Pick a different date. >> Pick a different day. >> Pick a different day. >> I thought it was the 10th. >> Do not pick the 10th. >> Do not pick the 10th. >> 24. >> 224.
>> Second. >> All right. There's a motion and second to table this item to 224. City clerk. Vice Mayor Cole, >> yes. >> Member Stokel, >> yes. >> Member Moscosa, >> yes. >> Member Nelson, >> yes. >> Mayor Connors, >> yes.
>> Thank you very much. >> What's the >> another reasoning coming up? >> No. >> If we're lucky. >> City clerk, did you have your light on for a reason? >> Yes, sir. I'll just >> Okay. Okay. I was just making sure you
didn't need me. City manager. >> On to petitions and requests. >> All right. We're on petitions, requests, non-aggenda items. Not seeing any on the mayor and council reports. I'm going to
pretty much punt because I think we've all had enough fun for one night. But um obviously we went to Tallahassee. I think we did some good work. And you know, I think we can elaborate maybe a little bit later. At the same time, I don't want to, you know, get the cart before the horse, but you know, feel pretty good about some of the things
that we're working on up there. >> Vice Mayor Cole, >> I know we're getting late, but I just want to give a shout out to uh the only shelter that we have
>> in Titusville is Life Ministries. I've been working with the pastor. Uh so far we've been able to raise, this has nothing to do with the city, okay? This is me personally, about $13,000. I was there
today and uh there were the number of people he was serving was tremendous. and he'll turn it in tonight uh for 70 beds. And with the temperature
the way it is and the way it's going to stay for a while after Saturday, uh whatever help you can give is good. The problem that he has is if you give food or clothing, he has no place to store it.
So, um, we're trying to work with him and see if we can get something resolved. We've also been getting complaints from neighbors of the people out there are not treating the property
properly. I'll leave it at that. But the work that he's doing there at Life Ministries is just outstanding. And no matter what you think about the unhoused people, they're still human
beings. >> Thank you, Vice Mayor. Member Scosa. >> Yeah. I I just had one question. I noticed that the school uh cameras were going up today. And do you know when that campaign's going to roll out? I've been informed by uh uh Matt Demen
that uh they're going to be putting out a public service announcement here real soon and putting out on social media, but I don't have the exact date that they become active, but they are installing them now and I would anticipate with the next few weeks they'll start that uh warning program.
We'll get the word out ASAP. >> Yeah. I mean, I would love to be able to get that information out so as soon as possible. Absolutely. Thank you. And don't forget, we also negotiated a 60-day grace period for the part of the public awareness campaign. So, we got a campaign pre campaign post. Member
Stokel. >> Okay. Yeah. On that, um, depending on when they go up, uh, if it's like later in the semester, we might want to look at doing that grace period in August when kids go back to school. So, I just want to put that out there. Um, and then
I'm not going to go into the Tallahassee visit right now because there's a lot. Um but just to be aware, property taxes is still a big discussion there and a lot of them cannot agree on what a proposed solution is. So we're still watching that one. Um Senate Bill 180,
you know, they're working on changes. What was interesting, I will say, and I this was my big takeaway. Um Senate side seems to be very thoughtful and trying to do what's right. They've been they have a lot of experience. They they see and so um they filed a great bill to fix
Senate Bill 180. um the House side has not. Um and so that's kind of just so you guys know that's the angle I'm working on right now is to see if we can do anything in the House side. Um things move very very quickly there and um there's a lot going on. So that's
happened. Um same thing with sovereign immunity. Uh Senate has proposed a very good roll out of you know raising it a little bit understanding inflation house side completely uh off I I don't know. Um, so it's very difficult trying to get
them to sometimes work together. So just know that I will give um these two cards to member Nelson and member Cole that were not there so you can see kind of what the league is working on. Um, and then I think that's all I have for right now unless anybody
else had anything. >> Say just the same for property taxes. The house has like four or five bills filed. They're kind of running very quickly. Uh the governor has his position and the senate hasn't even thought about it. So they're kind of waiting to see what the house does. So
um we'll see if anything gets passed, but uh no sense of worrying until till it happens. >> Member Nelson, >> I want to say thank you, mayor, for doing the proclamation to Khan. >> My pleasure. >> And the tree team. Uh Christine helped u
Tony Shifflo and I write it. She's brilliant. She did a great job. Tony and I, we did good. Christine did great. Um, but I also got a call from my cousin who
lives on Mary Lane and her house flooded along with some of the other houses in the neighborhood. So apparently when we said we wanted a stormwater
master plan, the fix for that neighborhood went off the list of projects for this year. So what is it said to me was when we
come up with ideas, we really need to run it through staff and our city manager to make sure that we're not bumping something that we don't mean to bump. >> Uh I have a question about that. Um,
according to the city manager, there's no money to fund a storm water master plan in this fiscal year, and it wasn't even programmed to be funded out of the stormwater fund until FY27. So, how could that bump that?
>> I think they were looking at could they do it this year by finding money and bumping a project. So, >> Kevin, am I right? So, is there a project planned for Mary Lane? Because that ditch is privately owned. It's not
owned by the city. >> It's not on the Stormware list this for this year. It's for for Mary Lane and uh I believe Heritage Drive are were bumped to next year. >> Right. >> Right. But to answer your first question regarding the funding for the stormwater
plan, we don't have the money in this fiscal year. However, I've asked our finance director to see if we can take a loan out from another fund like we've done in the past and actually get it done at at mid year for approval. >> And we've done that in the past. So, we
would borrow money from the general fund and then next year >> we would pay it back. >> Okay. >> So, we'll do that at mid year here in >> we'll do that at midyear when we do all the financial true-ups. I was just sort of made me sit down and think when we
come up with ideas, we need to make sure that we run it through city manager staff and if it's not something that's in our budget, we need to figure out where it's coming from and make sure
that we're not harming some of our citizens. Um, we just need to be careful. So, and since this is my cousin, I think you went over to her house. >> I went inside her house.
>> Yeah, that's where she's at. So, and the other thing I was going to ask about is nanobubbles. >> Nanobubbles. They're fully mobilized. They've they're still doing the pre- monitoring and it goes live on February
12th. and we have a uh media event scheduled after it's been operating for a few weeks on March 3rd and uh we're hoping that it's successful but uh it nana bubbles will be bubbling here pretty soon.
>> Thank you. >> Can I add one more comment, mayor? >> Yeah. >> Um I got this also in my um board of directors meeting. One of a hard copy is being mailed to the city and then this is also available digitally. They just updated it. Um, extremely useful if
you're newly elected, but also if you're not. It goes over the basics, um, elements of municipal government, policymaking, prog process, public safety, public services, growth management, and it also references specific state statutes and how things have progressed over time. So, um, I've
already kind of glanced through it. U, but I would encourage you all to either look at this digitally or look at the copy when it gets mailed to the city. Um, but highly recommend Thank you, member Stall. City manager, your report.
>> Just real quick, February 7th is a community conversation at the Saturday morning. Um, hoping to get a good turnout from the citizens and March 7th is our first our inaugural community mini academy for lack of a better term.
And that's also it's going to be a great event. >> Thank you very much, city attorney. >> All right. Thank you very much. Member Nelson. >> Motion to adjourn. >> We'rejourned.