Good evening everybody. I'm going to welcome you to the city of Titusville Community Redevelopment Agency regular meeting August 12th, 2025 at 5:30. Going to call this meeting to order. City attorney, do we have a quorum? Thank you very much. Can you please uh
take a moment for a moment of silence for our invocation, please? Thank you very much. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much. City clerk. Individuals wishing to speak on agenda items must complete a signup card prior to the item being introduced. Signup cards are available on the table.
Individuals wishing to speak on non-aggenda items may do so under petitions and requests. No signup card is required. Citizens will be given three minutes to speak on all agenda items. All signup cards and exhibits being submitted to the CRA shall be placed in the box on the table.
Thank you, city clerk. Member Nelson. Oh, so moved. Move to approve the minutes. Yes. I'm sorry. Second. I was otherwise distracted. It's all right. You're usually my motioner, so I was call You didn't even
put your things on, but I'm assuming you made a motion to approve the minutes of the CRA meeting on July 8th. Yes, sir. And I I have a motion and I have a second. Any further uh member discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I.
I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Executive Director. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, vice chairman, members of the board. We have three items on the agenda uh on the agenda this evening. The first is the
under old business 7A is a capital projects broad street curbless uh project and as you recall it was approved by the city council and the CRA back in 2022. It was presented to the
CRA on June 10th of this year and it was tabled until uh the August 12th meeting tonight. And here to give a brief presentation of the project and some of the financial uh criteria, we have our
Sue Williams, our CRA planner. Good evening. I'm losing my voice, so Brad might be pitching in here a little bit for me. It's in your packet, the report to council, and we'll review some of that.
Should I do the presentation first? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, we're going to do the presentation first that's in the packet. So, this is a streetscape streetscape concept of Broad Street. No.
Do we need to change the There we go. Okay. So, the executive summary, the transformation of a dormant historic automobile ccentric coastal Florida downtown into an active pedestrianoriented downtown that is home to architectural history with a vibrant arts,
entertainment, and culture scene and a burgeoning hospitality sector is underway. It's in the CRA plan and the re redevelopment strategies can be summarized as follows. Resport planned and program development in the CRA. Reinforce the CRA branding and
marketing. Reinforce connections, physical connections to and throughout the CRA and develop additional housing within the CRA. This indicates the CRA capital projects that are listed in the plan that was adopted. The sources are listed below
page 17 145. These are proposed capital projects in the public realm implement of the CRA plan redevelopment strategies. This is just indicates from the plan and again the sources are listed the capital
projects and you can see and congratulations CRA the observation pier and the scobby park are completed. So now we're moving on to other parts of the plan. So looking at Broad Street and this you can see all the other projects
but Broad Street is truly why we really looked at it is seven of the 11 opportunity sites are located along Broad Street and actually now there's another opportunity site which is Wells Fargo. The Broad Street curbless streetscape.
Broad Street, which is located in the downtown subdist of the CRA, south of the Orange Street, runs east and west from Veterans Memorial Park to the FEC Railroad tracks. Broad Street is frequently utilized by the city for special events, festivals, and parking
for events at nearby parks. The proposed improvements to Broad Street will address the redevelopment strategies of supporting planned and programmed redevelopment, reinforcing the CRA branding and marketing, reinforcing connections, and developing that additional housing. The proposed
improvements will maximize the the utility of the roadway as an additional open festival space and street side amenities to encourage residential development. The proposed improvements to Broad Street include continuous 12- foot sidewalks on both
sides of the street, street lights, um other amenities, parking, and a curbless street for festivals and special events. So, this really isn't a parking project. This is a streetscape project, festival project.
And there's a a concept of or just a visual of what it could look like that with the 12-oot sidewalks, the street lights, benches, the trees. Um, as a matter of fact, there's uh a a new a new way to plant the trees, a different engineered soil called structural soil
where the the roots grow further. I I'll tell you more about that at the next meeting. Um, and the parking studies, we have three parking studies and it all indicates that there is not a parking issue in the downtown.
The and it was we talked about the parking garage. So, we looked into that and the cost per structured parking for parking space would be 40 for just parking would be $42,650. Estimated total cost 17 million and it's
a high cost to maintain. Findings. The proposed CRA plan capital improvements help transform the downtown from an automobile center into an active pedestrianoriented downtown by adding amenities and creating spaces. No parking issues in the there are no
parking issues in the downtown. Parking garages are expensive and consume space. Staff can present alternative parking strategies from other communities at a future meeting in the CRA consideration. And there's two different options as you know. Option one, pay as you go, which
is not recommended. It increases the risk of projects inconsistent with the aims and branding described in the plan. And option two, to seek financing is optimum. It's easier to be consistent with the strategies and branding described in the plan.
Do you want me to read the report or do you want to just want to mention that we included because of the discussion you had back in June, we included the three parking studies in there so you can see what was presented to previous councils. So you can see for yourself the conclusions that were in those studies. And then uh
there are some estimates of parking garage that was um done several years ago with the concept plan for a new city hall. And you see the cost for that several years ago. There's a new cost on page 255 or of your packet. You'll see
that's a more recent estimate for a smaller parking garage. Overall, as Sue has said, um we believe that out of the CRA plan and of all the capital projects that were proposed in that plan, we believe that the Broad
Street project is the the best option to go forward. You also have the option of trying to fund all of it. But we believe that this is one if you're going to pick any of them, they give you the biggest bang for your buck. We'll try and answer your questions. I do have two items. Let's see who has more. I have two items that I want to bring to
your attention. Um when we look at this, the purpose of the broad street um is not for us to create a downtown for cars. It is for us to create a downtown for people and for businesses. Uh the other thing is the interesting part is you know I went to Fernandina Beach last
month for the main street which you'll hear about that next month. They had done a streetscape in 2017 and they did a pay as you go. There was a breakout session and it was a panel of uh a city employee, an elected official who went through the
process at the time and the consultant who is doing it now because they're redoing it since that was in in um so long ago. But when they first did it, they they were telling the story of how as pay as you go, they had eight blocks and they would do it one block at a
time. Well, at the time the one block was finished, there'd be difference of opinions. Could it be different political, you know, air the way it was? So, at the end of the day, they have seven different types of materials for
their main street. So, it is not and they they actually call their own. They say it's a hodgepodge and we have to fix it. So, I just wanted to share that with you. If y'all have any questions, we'll be happy to answer them. Thank you very much for the presentation. Member Nelson.
So out of curiosity, how many more parking spaces would we have? 20. Okay. So not a huge amount. Correct. That's why it's not really about the parking. It's about bringing a destination and the festival
street. So in the scope of things, you're saying Broad Street is your number one choice. Yes, ma'am. What is number two? Is there a number two?
Not unless you say no to number one. I guess part of my thought was I understand why you picked Broad Street. Is nice. It's broad. You can do a lot of broad on Broad Street. Yeah,
I've done that a couple times today. Um, it'd be beautiful for street parties, festivals. You know, I look at it and I'm like, you could go from US1 to the river, you could go north, you could go
south. Um, but the other part of me is like, but if we did Julia Street, we tie in with the theater. So, I'm I'm sort of like I I have to say the
after your first presentation, I had huge sticker shock. Uh I'm like um but then on the other hand I see your point in that if we are going to do street parties, we are going to grow, we
are going to make a walk ball, then maybe this is the direction we need to go and this is the direction we said we were going to go what three years ago. So So is Julia Street number two?
I'm going to refer you to page 47 of your packet. Okay. I'm sorry. Well, beginning on page 44 of your packet and you'll see that's the Broad Street concept and there are subsequent ones, subsequent pages, you'll see other concepts, right? So, one of them is Julia Street.
Um, if the count, you know, the CRA can make that ranking themselves and provide that advice to us. That's true. Okay. Thank you, Member Nelson. Uh, member
Ball, I think. But first, I want to um say to staff, you did a great job of pulling pulling all this material together and into one package that uh members could look at. I think that um it probably addresses maybe doesn't resolve all the
questions that some of the rest of you had at the last meeting that came up, but um I'm I'm just as excited about this project as I was back then. And I'll I'll point out to you because I was obviously on the on the CRA when the
plan was adopted and we went through all the um uh public stakeholder engagement. Uh the consultant took all that material in into consideration and they came up with this capital projects, proposed
capital projects that were adopted as our plan. So if if there's a capital project that's not that's in somebody's mind that's not in that plan, the plan's going to have to get redone, you know, which it can. It's been amended over the
years, but uh if you look at the at the total capital U projected for for each of these projects, it's $6.9 million. And the Broad Street component, that's the largest one because it's the longest
one. And u right after that you can see coming down is Main Street Park phase one main street phase 2 Julia Street Pine Orange Palmetto Palm and St. John's. And so what you see in in that
integrated when you look at the whole what you see is an infrastructure plan that reaches the entire CRA pretty much and and does that um paradigm shift if you will to to stimulate development on
the west side of Hopkins but also have the tie-ins between the east and the west to where you And I've been looking at this stuff for 40 years and I'll say we we were in this rut that everything was US1 north, US1 south and oh my gosh,
what are we going to do about the downtown? We have federal highway going right through the middle of it. Well, that's not all of the downtown. It's not all, but it needs to be. So, in my my opinion, I think it's so much more than just even a streetscaping
project. It's the beginning of the implementation of something that ties the entire thing together. I I'll stay for Julia Street because I do know kind of where things stand with the theater and and there's been no change in in the
long-term vision in the plan, but it's it's not going to be ready for for a few years. I think it might even be premature to think about advancing Julia Street as the first of these in my opinion. Um, I also wanted to comment on
on the parking garage because that came up and I think that um, you know, wherever you put the parking garage, it's going to be in the wrong spot for somebody or or or to encourage the development for for some portion of the
of the CRA. Um, I thought that the staff's inclusion of the schematics that were done for the new city hall were especially effective in showing how and even that had a $15 million price tag uh
as part of a total project to do the the city hall with the adjoining parking garage. And that seems to make a lot of sense, but um you know, you're still going to need to look at expansion of surface
parking as as development happens around um the entirety of the CRA. And and quite honestly, the CRA's goal is to redevelop all of the CRA, not just the part that's along, you know, US1 North
and US1 South between Main Street and Broad. on on the question of the um I I did just because I wanted to see the what the impact would be um of of considering a parking garage. The numbers are pretty
consistent at 15 million or 17 million for what it would take to do. Um when you look at the plan and and they have run out a projection of TIFF revenues up until 2044.
Okay, from 2022 to 2024 the total and they used a fairly conservative I thought 2 and a half% escalation every year. Might be right, might be wrong over time. Uh who can say? But that was their projection. $
35.9 million in total tiff till 20 2044. And as you know um right now it's a million about a million maybe a little more than a million and not more than half of that
is available for capital projects. Some of staff can correct me if that's not right, but you have to carve out about a third thereabouts for personnel cost, administrative costs. And then there's some of the projects like community policing. There's other things besides
brick and mortar projects that have to come out of that. Even if um even if you said, "Okay, we got 30 $35.9 million maybe projected till 2044." You take half of that at$7
million. You're going to spend all of your money that's potentially not committed to something else on on a parking garage. And that's that's for revenue through 2044. that doesn't let you implement anything else
infrastructure-wise in the downtown. So, my my only suggestion on the garage is let it go, let it come with the city hall or when it's really there's there's a pressure point to do it, which there probably isn't right now. So, you know, we need to hear from all all the rest of
you that had questions on this, but I I'll just uh re-emphasize. I believe this is one initial step in changing the dynamics of the infrastructure in downtown. Um all of the streetscaping
includes large trees, more shade. um they make the they make the downtown more walkable and will encourage uh other development in areas that don't have development right now. That's it.
Thank you, Member Ball. Member Mscoso. Thank you. Um we talked about up upcoming projects. Um and one thing this is kind of pivoting from parking. Um but do we have any projects that would help increase housing in downtown?
Not currently. I I'm I'm watching what Gainesville is doing and they're trying to revitalize their downtown. And I think in order for us to get the feel for downtown that we want, we've got to have people living there. So, my suggestion of of course we want to do parking and and
streetscaping, but um to maybe one of our focuses could be into looking in into housing um to have people if you live downtown, you're going to eat downtown and shop downtown and um and I think we could draw people for a street party, but if they don't live down there, they're just going to leave
again. And so, we want to create that atmosphere. So, I don't know if that's something that we could look into for the future, make that one of our um our priorities if if the board felt that as well. Um I think parking is great, but I think we also have to focus on getting
people to live down there. If I could say, if you remember earlier this year, you did approve uh an amendment to the comprehensive plan about density. So, residential density was something important to the council and to the CRA. So that's currently in there now to allow some more flexibility
um language in there as far as calculating density for a new development, residential development in the downtown. Thank you very much. Member Akre. Yeah, I just wanted to once again I I know we've had many many studies that say parking is not a problem downtown,
but you if you do your study when we're full, you'll find that we don't have much parking downtown during the peak hours. It's very difficult when all the restaurants are up and running. You got what? 82 parking spaces in the in the commons out back. You got 53 parking
spaces over there. You're not talking hundreds and hundreds yet. Burger Robs alone could be seating 70 people on on the lunch hour. Um my staff has to scramble for parking and we're thank goodness to the church over there, the Baptist church. Thank goodness to them
because they've been so generous to allow us to share in their parking. But if that wasn't available, we I wouldn't have place for my my employees to to um to park. So I still think um yes, you could get say that okay, a half mile here, there's plenty of parking. Over on
Broad Street, there's plenty of parking. It's poured down rain in the middle of summer. Well, I'm not going to go and walk that quarter mile to go to lunch when when I it it's I don't know. I just disagree on the parking. I think we need to keep that in mind. I had a little concern over $2.5 million price tag on
Broad Street. If that purpose is to give it street appeal to encourage development on the north side, do we wait until we have a developer there to develop Broad Street or we do it now? I don't know because is the developer then going to come in? We going to have to rip up half of what we do to make it
accommodate the development because that's we had a developer, you remember that, who had a project going in there with a pretty good density of of housing and then of course the housing crisis kind of crunched out all of that. Um, so I'm not opposed to it if if part of it
is to entice people, you know, kind of if you build it, they will come because Broad Street is our our best next best area that's open for development. Um, so I'm not opposed to that. I was just concerned on on the price tag of it. I'm certainly concerned about parking.
Another thing I'm very concerned about, please take this in mind, you've got to set aside places for dumpsters to be for refuge because I have a I haven't shown you guys. I'll come and I'll show you the 40 or 50 pictures of the dumpster that overflows every week outside of my
um outside the back door of my business. We've got to when you're thinking of parking, maybe we as we acquire that, we need to dedicate some place for for our refuge to be collected. That that is becoming a much bigger problem. Uh you can talk to the the restaurant tours. They're they're especially Rob's his is
overflowing on a regular basis. Mine is overflowing on a regular basis. So, please keep that in mind when we're when we're looking at acquiring space so we have we don't have that that look of garbage bags everywhere. Um, I'm not opposed to Broad Street. I think that I
think it's a good idea. It's just a little concerned on the price. And is the whole thing going to be pvious? We won't know until we go into the true conceptual design of which it is or they're working with a space that's there. Pardon me. Broad Street stays the same side.
They're just Originally what the board had discussed and approved was the broad streetet paving and parking with adding the 20 spaces. Then in this year's budget for FY 2026 it is going or on the road to be
approved um another 100,000 to make that pvious. So that's why there's already there will be 250,000 make pvious. Well that's great. Correct. Yeah. We need all we need all that we can get. My ask is when you look at Julia Street, I want you to look at
acquisition of property to expand some parking or look at redoing how Julia Street is done to add some parking. There are a couple of ways. Our original plan was to have more parking on Julia Street, but the final took away a lot of parking. There is some land available on
north side of Julia Street that could add about 16 parking spaces uh or a couple of spaces for dumpsters. So, we have a place for our refugees. Um, I just ask that you look at that when you're looking at the Julia Street development to expand into that. You can make it in the worst scenario is you get
that and make it into a nice park space. Thank you. Thank you, Member Achre. Member Stokel. Yes. Um, I echo a lot of member Akre's comments. Um, and I I appreciate you guys bringing in the traffic study and I know the traffic study says one thing. I
think for me my perspective on it is that traffic study is fine if you had a different culture than our downtown currently has. So what I mean by that is if you go to certain downtown areas that are very thriving, it's expected and the culture knows you know that you're going
to walk half a mile, maybe even a mile because that is what the culture has right now. What I see in downtown is if those few parking spots right next to it are full, I'd rather just leave and go somewhere else than try to go find a parking spot further away. I don't want to walk downtown. It's not as inviting
or vibrant to walk downtown and pass some shops all on my walk. And so to member Acres's point, I feel like yes, we have parking, but it's not nobody wants to park there. So what good is maybe we do have the amount of parking if our residents don't actually
want to utilize those spaces. And so for me again being on the board for a while now I'm conflicted on do we keep doing some of these smaller projects which even though 2.5 million is a large amount to me it's still we're like we're
doing pieces by pieces or do we want to really take on something big like a city hall parking garage and say we're going to make a statement and to member Ball's point and I appreciate you doing those numbers. We say, "Yes, we know this will take time. We we need to finance it over
x amount of years, but this will really change that culture of our downtown versus one year we're doing this road and then we'll go down the list and keep doing a road, we'll do shade structures, we'll do landscaping, but it never really elevates to that next level." And
that's where I get conflicted is at what point do we say we need to go ahead and do this? you know, we have the oldest city hall in the county and we've had the oldest city hall for a while in the county. Um, it it it just can change and shift. I was going I had our Space Coast
League of Cities meeting in Cocoa Beach yesterday and just seeing and driving by and seeing their city hall fresh and inviting it is because they just redid theirs and I'm like this made me want to park and get out and walk around like it was just inviting. It didn't look old. It it made you want to be there. you
felt safe. And so that's where I feel like yes, we're doing these things. And I do I will say I do think this Broad Street project will elevate that area. I don't think there's a lot of foot traffic on that street. That does that street does need some help. But I think we need to be mindful of being very
strategic that we're not still having the same conversation 10 years from now where it's too expensive. Let's just kick it down versus us really changing. you know, if we invest in this parking garage in city hall, the theater starts to do their renovations and all these things are hitting, development comes,
housing comes, restaurants are thriving, then we can maybe create that culture that that's what I want to be mindful of and that's kind of what I want to work toward. Thank you, Member Stokel. Vice Mayor Cole, I do like the, you know, the idea of
Broad Street and the parking has, I think it was either like 2019 or 2020. I was in one of the and I think we discussed this at the meeting that we had on Monday and it was Christian Barky was leading the community thing and we
talked about parking and one of the things that was discussed and we have like 1,800 parking spaces I guess according to what you've given us that the farthest parking place that we have
in downtown from getting downtown is closer than the farthest parking spot at Walmart. So if you parked in the farm lot at Walmart and you were going shopping at Walmart, the distance from that spot to
Walmart is further than the distance away. Now, while I don't disagree with uh member Akre and member Stokal about city hall and parking garages, but you know, it
it's pretty much cost prohibitive. The parking garages run about $40 to $50,000 for space. And that's what we figured $17 million for the parking garage and about $16
million for or more. I'm not sure that figure 60 or $70 million for city hall. I mean, we're talking real money. And when we're talking about a budget that we work on that's like $160 million, we would obviously float a blond a bond
to get it done. But I understand the peace meal, but it is immediate gratification and it does show our uh citizens that we're trying to do something and I think we have to probably creep a little bit
before we walk. So, I agree with this and I I think it looks really good architecturally and I think it should be uh you know should we should spend extra $100,000 to make it pvious if we can. I
mean that would be my suggestion. Thank you, Vice Chair Cole. Member Nelson. Uh I agree with Sarah about the city hall. We kicked that down the road for years.
We've also kicked another project down the road. I won't mention that one, but um we do whitew project. I'm giving him a hard time. Um but we do
need to see all my only thought was in the last couple years is we needed to fix the river first. We needed to fix our infrastructure before we started looking at a city hall. So I think when we look at a city hall, we need to look
at it with the parking garage and I think that would resolve a lot of issues and I think we're close. I mean eight years 8 10 years ago um our river stunk um literally figuratively no grass no
fish uh dying and we're getting there. So, as we go forward, I think that maybe it's time to start looking at a city hall. So, question,
Brad, where are we on the project at Sam Point, the housing project? There is a site plan um that is actually going to expire very soon, next few months. We did have a discussion with property owner just recently about a new
concept. So they may resubmit a new design. Okay. Okay. Thank you, Member Nelson. Member Akre. I just wanted to make a comment because you you mentioned something about Cocoa Beach. I'm down
there quite a lot. And you're right, that parking garage kind of transformed once that garage went in. Did you see all the development that happened in downtown? It it exploded. I mean the number of new restaurants u that are down there and
the restaurants are the biggest key um their biggest barrier is parking like the new um the old Walker hotel that development they they've reserved all those parking but honestly they'll have trouble if they filled their their food hall up they'd have trouble providing
parking they don't share the parking with the general public I would hope that they would share the parking for the patrons of the people downstairs but they would be hardressed to get the volume of of patrons that they need to make restaurants buy viable down there. Um, just because you're going to lunch,
yeah, you may you may walk from Broad Street, walk down there, but still to in order to grow, we've I still go back. We've got to have the parking. really like the idea of of your concept of getting the part the city hall and the parking garage done or or maybe even
not focusing on Broad Street first because we're talking about doing one street one year, one street a couple years later, something like that. Is that that what we're doing? I would argue to start on the other end and start with Julia and work the other way because Julia is so much more visible u from the the current parking from the
playhouse from the impact that it could have in downtown. I would argue to start from a Julia Street side first. Um, if we're going to be delaying it, unless your plan is build it to hope that you'll entice the developer once you do it. I could I could buy that if that was
your intendance. We dress the street up. Maybe somebody's going to develop that. But do we have anybody on board looking to develop that? Again, that's one of the reasons that we chose Broad Street because it has eight opportunity sites. it is it is the area
that is most likely to be developed from a growth standpoint. And so it it's yes it's so that if the city shows and I think um member ball has said this at at another meeting that when Titusville shows that we're willing to invest in our own city that then the
develop and that we're taking our plans seriously that then they will come and develop. I hope I hope that's the case. I just I just hope hate to spend the money and just have the property sit. Well, we Let's hope it doesn't go that way.
Thank you, Member Akre. Member Ball. Yeah, I'd like to comment on a couple of the points. Um, first to to the last one there that it ever since the CRA was created,
there's been uh major infrastructure changes to the downtown were financed. They were paid for over time with CRA tax increment and the business growth followed because it was virtually a dead
downtown in 1984. There wasn't anything going on 85. So again, my my thought is that the CRA tax increment funds are for the redevelopment of the entire CRA and the
encouragement of development in areas that are not yet uh developed into uh uh the point regarding housing uh affordable housing and housing in the downtown and putting more residential PE
more residential units in the downtown was and is a key element and goal of the plan. U not that we would use tax increment funding to build that housing, but we would create an environment that
would be uh attractive to developers who would take those opportunity sites and build build housing in them. Um, so with respect to, you know, CRA can't pull the trigger on city hall and an
adjoining. That's that's up to city council to do. And I would say that's a citywide project. It's a big project. Um, it's looking at the schematics that were done that was estimated at the time, and that was only a couple years ago at an 80 million project. Well,
that's what the theater's looking at, too. I mean big things are going 70 all right 707 75 so big things like that that are transformational about the downtown are not going to happen with the obligation of CRA tax increment and
if you did you wouldn't do anything else in the whole rest of the of the district in in my opinion um the the comments about parking are absolutely uh valid I I I think that the culture
hopefully will change. It'll change in some ways as the urban environment of the downtown changes. I was really um interested and I would would recommend to y'all if you haven't had time to look at it that staff included um a best
practices study that was done uh by the city of Tampa that shared many of the same issues about bigger but you know parking's a problem in the in the urban core of of Tampa. What do we do about that? Parking garages are expensive. Uh,
and there were a number of pretty uh, creative thoughts about how you can address that. One of them being make more efficient use of existing parking. We can certainly do that. That county parking lot on the other side of South
Street is emptied by 6:00 p.m. That's 4 or 500 spaces. Um, one of the creative things I saw in the Tampa plan was the idea of in of using satellite parking areas where, you know, they may be a little bit further away from shops, but
you instituting a circulator service. um that clearly is not going to cost as much to do for the city to implement as as building a parking garage, but to have have some sort of transport transportation that would circulate
around the uh around the downtown, you know, point to point to point to point. Um and again that that's going to require a little bit of a culture change, you know, not being able to park right in front of the store, but um other cities are finding creative ways
to to do this. And I would I would certainly um endorse the city council moving forward with city hall and and the adjoining fold in the parking garage as part of that project. It's a big project. you're going to have to bond it
and get the whole shebang at one time and and let the CRA tax increment funds be deployed around the the entire CRA. Thank you, Member Ball. Member Stokel. Yes, just last comment on the culture
and the parking. I do think that our culture will change um whether we get the parking garage or not. If we choose to not do the parking garage and keep pushing it down, to your point, I I do think it would be great if we could be creative and utilize it. I think my
biggest concern or what we'd need to combat is people feeling safe, especially at nighttime. And that it they know they can park there. And we talked about that before. Can we put up signs, and we did, hey, it's okay to park here. Um, so I think that's the
thing is if we can shift the culture, like do people know that they can park there? Probably not. They wouldn't think of it. I mean, we know like we can park at the church and not get towed. But would a tourist know that or would they drive by and see there's very limited parking at Sunrise Bakery. I don't want to get towed. Let me keep going on and
drive through Duncan. You know, that that's the kind of thing that I I I want us to try to start thinking of. If we can't afford it yet, what kind of creative things can we do and maybe invest in that and put up signage and make it that everyone knows that culture
now? And it's it's normal. They feel safe. There's proper lighting. Um, and it is because I do think to remember Cole's point, I I do remember that that the furthest away is the Walmart, but guess what? At Walmart, when I know I go park there, I'm around a lot of people. It's well lit, and I don't mind parking
in the way back by the gas station area. I know it's a long walk, but I feel comfortable and safe, and that's the culture there. Here, I don't know if I parked way over somewhere else. Is my car safe? Is it lit? What if it's night time? That's the kind of thing that I want us to shift if we aren't in that
position yet to do that parking garage. Thank you, member Stokal. Vice Vice Chair Cole, you know, uh, member Ball mentioned uh the shuttle and the golf carts and we because that's what we do at the hospital when you have to park
far away at the hospital. We have now obviously the people that are driving the shuttles are volunteers. not we're not paying for them to do that, but to bring the people from the South Street government parking lot that if we're
having big events, we could do that and we could look for volunteers and we could probably borrow golf carts from parish seriously uh for large events that we have that we need the overflow parking for.
Thank you, vice chair. Appreciate everybody's comments. Uh just a few thoughts I wanted to clear up. Uh housing is coming to downtown. It will be here uh probably before you know it. Uh and then also by making this
investment into the infrastructure uh by therefore if you build it they will come. the redevelopment that happens uh will also increase those tiff funds that fund the CRA. And then last but not least is CRAAS are always on the
chopping block, right? So if we don't do something then we could be at risk of never being able to do something. So, it's one of those situations where, you know, in in politics and just any business deal, sometimes you got to make some concessions and that might be
everything you want it to be, but if it gets you 80 or 90% of the way there, then, you know, I think uh we we need to support such a plan. So, those are my final thoughts. With that being said, um I'll entertain any motion, any way the council wants to act. City clerk, are
there any cards? Yes, there's two cards. Um, the first one is Lisa Moer. Oh, okay. What? I got to do something. 525 Indian River Avenue had this nice little thing I was going to talk about, but you guys
blew it all out the thing. So, first I'm going to go back to 2018. January 2018 CRA meeting, you were on the board and you were on the board and Jim, you were back here for the Tyville Playhouse. This room was packed at that time. I came up here and said one of the
issues in downtown was connectability. We don't have the sidewalks to connect from Garden Street to South Street to the river to the railroad tracks. We need that. That what helps spur stuff.
We have a few new sidewalks and we do have some new lightings. But what we talked about at that meeting and a lot of business owners were there, property owners were there, things started going and then go down. So back to this Broad Street. I'm going
to disagree with you Sarah. When I go to a small town, I am not looking to see what the city hall looks like. I am looking for streets that look inviting, have sidewalks, have benches, has trees that look inviting.
Downtown is not just for the residents. It is for our visitors. So, when you come off of Garden Street and you're either hitting Lemon, Palm, Hopkins, and then coming north, the first big street you see is broad. And there are
businesses along there and there could be more businesses and there are places for housing. I talked to many of the businesses in the last couple weeks and they're like the CRA needs to invest. They need to show us they're
investing in the community. The parking garage and city hall is not what they're looking for. They're looking for the city to invest to show. They're going to put infrastructure in. They're going to put streets in and additional parking,
but you keep kicking it down the the the street. You taking that can and just keep it. Ask for walking. Live downtown. Now, I understand what you're talking about, Dr. Aker, about parking. However, from behind city hall, the First United
Methodist Church walking is only point4 miles. That's a thousand steps. So, we have a perception that it's too far to walk. As for not looking safe and stuff, we need the property owners and the
business owners downtown to actually clean to, you know, we have some bars, we have some restaurants that they have outdoor seings, but at the end of the night, the trash is all there. You walk downtown, the sidewalks need to be
Thank you very much. Appreciate. They need to be clean, but I think you need to do it. City clerk Stan Johnston. Stan Johnson. I've been here about 54 54 years and I don't think you guys listen to a word I say sometimes. And I've been
in planning. I worked for the city for about seven and a half years and uh I'm not not particularly happy with what what some of the decisions you've made. Let me give you an example. You've got all this area over here on this side of the building across the street from
Indian River Avenue. All this area here you could use for parking. It's in the rightway. Wasn't even shown by Cam Horn. I've already talked to you about it before. You don't do it. In fact, you you could even use it to make it grass parking over there. I say grass parking. Who
uses grass parking? I'm an engineer. Look at the YMCA. I did that. Oakflow parking. Look at a number of churches. Grass parking. So, what I think I'm going what I think you're going to do is you're going to
put a lot of money into something that's not even used for right now. When is it going to be used? So, you're planning right now putting a whole bunch of I don't know how many millions of dollars or whatever like that. If it's not going to be used, I'm going to point the finger at you because that's what I think's going to happen.
So, people complained about parking over here. And so, what what did we do over here from uh the used to be the Sun Bank to uh Maxboro Causeway? We made all kinds of of little medians and sidewalks, big sidewalks and so forth like that. We took away from parking
spaces and and if you all understand is that my I believe the last report from Kim Horn is we're in good shape and yet you're screaming about getting more more parking spaces and you're talking about housing. Housing is supposed to produce its own parking spaces.
What are we going to do with the garage? March 27th, 1981. Where was I? I was in Cocoa Beach looking at what happened at that Harbor Kominium fell down. We have poor
experience in in uh building structures. That was a big example. I mean, we had it had so many mistakes in it. And it was built. What are you going to have a parking garage? You're going to have you're going to have an elevator. What?
Probably two elevators maybe for access. So So it's not cheap. It's not cheap. And it's going to cost the public a lot. You had planned to build a a parking garage about what was it about eight years ago?
You had in your budget $6 million and so forth like that. If you had built it then who would have used it? Who would have used it? I don't know. But it looks like like you know sometimes well we just build things are not being used right now. Like for
example right now we have a we have a concrete fishing pier. Who uses it? It's blank. We don't have fish. That's a different situation. But thank you very much, Mr. New projects are supposed to supply their own h their own parking.
Thank you, city clerk. Any other cards? There's no more cards for this item. Thank you very much. Member Ball, I'm going to go ahead and make a motion and see if I can get a second for it. I'm I'm going to move that we accept uh staff's recommendation and approve uh
moving forward with the Broad Street curbless streetscape project and further um direct staff to look at the options for financing uh that investment so it
can all happen at once and come back for for our approval of of that financing idea. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further council discussion? Sorry, board discussion. Uh, seeing none, city clerk,
can you call the roll call, please? Member Akre, yes. Member Mscoso, yes. Member Nelson, yes. Chairman Connors, yes. Vice Chair Cole, yes. Member Ball, yes. Member Stokel, yes. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Executive director.
Yes, sir. The next item is uh new business. Uh it's two uh grants. Uh one for uh exterior facade for the building just south of Dusty Roads Antique uh over in the uh on US1. And they're
looking to replace rotted wood. Um put in a new roof and and paint it and turn a vacant historic building into a uh into a professional office. And they're also looking for 8B, looking for interior work to uh bring the wiring and
the interior up to code. So those are two items. 8A and 8B are both uh grants for the same building. Thank you very much. Staff, do you have anything? No, we have nothing to add to the report. And the applicant is here if you have
any questions. All right. Thank you very much. City clerk, are there any cards on this matter? Stan Johnson. All right, Stan. Uh Stan Johnson, I'm the same same one that just talked a few minutes ago that you disregarded and I think you're going to disregard me again. But uh let's face
it, business is so bad downtown, so bad in in in some areas is that what we have to do is we have to give them money. It's so bad. So when we talk about how wonderful business is downtown and how it's going to it's going to growth and so forth like that and blossom and all
that but here we have an example and Mr. Acre he got he got a lot a lot of funds recently I say recently in the last few years for CRA funds freebies. So, in other words, business is so bad, what what the what the public has to do is we
have to pay for improvements for for downtown instead of the business owner. I want you to think about that business is so bad and here we have all this committee here saying, well, we're going to spend two and a half million or something like that on this and this and
this and yet and yet right now business can't even support itself in some in some ways. And let's blame it on parking. I don't think it's parking. So, uh, right now is that, uh, uh, where there used to be the, uh, Baldwin Plaza.
I don't know what's happened there, but it's just not popular right now. What happened to Burger King? It just, it's just not in business like it used to be. I mean, right now it's people don't go to the beach as much, and people certainly don't go to Parish Park as much and Sandp Point Park because the river is just about dead.
So things are happening here and yet I I do not appreciate that that right now is that we're giving money to private enterprise because they can't afford it in downtown. I don't think it's right. But you do.
I'm just one one of a few people and there's I'm not the only one to complain about this. But uh uh when a business is is doing so badly that we have to give them money to survive, I think uh uh we could spend our tax
dollars and thoughts differently. Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Johnson. Dr. Sho. All right. This is the applicant. Dr. say something if if you want to give a quick overview
of what you're doing. Yes. Thank you for your attention. Um I bought the antique mall about 5 years ago and I promised them to keep it as a historic structure. I have kept my word. This building requires attention and the amount of money it would take is not a
good return on investment unless I get some funds to make an office building. It's a historic building. I don't want to see it torn down, which I could, but that's the only reason I'm here. I thank you for your attention and I understand
all the concerns everyone has. U Thank you for what you do. Thank you, Dr. Schne council. Member Nelson move to approve the award of the commercial beautifification grant to Dr.
Oi for property located at 1111 South Washington. Second. Can I clarify the motion? Is this A and B or just A? A. A. Okay. Thank you. And I got a motion.
I have a second. Um, say cler, can you call the role, please? Member Mscoso? Yes. Member Nelson? Yes. Chairman Connors? Yes. Vice Chair Cole? Yes. Member Ball? Yes. Member Soal? Yes. Member Akre. Yes.
Motion carries. Thank you very much. Member Nelson. Move to approve the award of the commercial interior grant to Dr. Shenoi for property at 1111 South Washington. Second. I have a motion and I have a second.
All those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Hey, I didn't know how the vote was going to go. Call a roll first. All right. All right. uh petitions and requests from the public, non-aggenda items, and we are still in our first meeting, the CRA meeting. We're not to our official
city council meeting that starts at 6:30. We're running behind. So, evening, council. My name is Derek Kale, born raised here in Titusville, and I'm ultimately here at my second meeting. I'm looking to bring back a past project and get in front of the council and
present a PowerPoint presentation that I was able to get to Mayor uh Andrews and uh or Mayor Connors. and ultimately just want to bring that to light. Um it was a previous project that the city took on um and was poorly executed over here um at the old ball fields. Um it's in the
form of a BMX pump track. Um it's something that would facilitate and uh work and live right next door to the skate park and it would be for all ages. Um not just bicycle riders or skateboarders but um your scooters as well. we can have something for, you
know, toddler age all the way up to um older bicycle riders. Since we're a cycling community and we already have the infrastructure there, I'd love to be able to get on top of that with that bond and uh you know, maybe build something for the community that is facilitating action in our youth. Um
getting people outside and um you know, enjoying the park is ultimately what I'd like to present. Um, so tonight I would just like to have that permission at the next meeting, maybe August 26th is what it looks like. Um, for that same three minutes to show that PowerPoint presentation. This is to the CRA.
So that would be it's going to take funding. So, if if we're looking for approvals like what we were just discussing, then I'd be happy to uh you know, point you in the right direction so that we can uh benefit this project as well as you know, if we're going to take a bond out and utilize some of the funds that we're talking
about. This project that I'm talking about is one fraction of of uh something that that is that size. So, I understand that, but this is not city council. This is the community redevelopment agency. So, up here, we cannot make a vote that would impact council.
Okay. And at what time? Maybe I'm at the wrong meeting. When do I need to be here in order to ask your question? Our next meeting starts at 6:30, but we're running behind. So, that's why I mentioned like this is petitions request at the end of our public meeting for the CRA. Gotcha. We haven't actually gotten to our city
council meeting yet. What he what the projects he talked about is within the CRA. It's within the CRA. It is. Yeah. So, it's not it's not a topic for the city council. It is a topic for CRA, but it' have to be postponed to our next meeting, which is a month from now. Sure, Dr. Aker, he was asking for the
opportunity to present at our next council meeting. So, that would be a vote by council in whichever the council thinks is most beneficial to get me farther along in this project. You know, I'm ignorant to it. I don't know if I should be presenting to city council or the CRA. It sounds like the CRA might be a more
beneficial presentation. Mayor, may I make a suggestion? Yes, ma'am. uh if he could talk to staff and sort of lay out what you're talking about. Absolutely. What is needed, what the cost are, where
we might hopefully get grants. Uh I think that would be go a long way before you come up and do a presentation. Absolutely. Yeah. Um I have sent those over if we can just expand on that email. Thank you very much. Member Stol.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was going to say. I I did get your presentation and I know the cost is anywhere from $150,000 to a million dollars depending and I think to Dererick's point he's not sure which body if it's the CRA because it falls in the CRA and we can make progress there great. If the CRA doesn't
want it but he can petition to council he'll petition there. So I think in we as a board CRA both and then city council we need to decide if this is something that we as a city are want to invest potential dollars in or we're saying no not right now uh but we'll try
to connect you to appropriate people like that's kind of what we need to decide as a board. So absolutely my my thing is a procedural so we can't say as a board yes you can present at the next council meeting because we're not council. Okay we have our CRA hats on. Aside from tonight at 6:30, when is the next city
council meeting? The fourth Tuesday. Second and fourth Tuesday. What is that? The second and fourth Tuesday. Second and fourth Tuesday. Thank you, council. I really appreciate it. Thank you. One more comment. Lisa Moer 525 Indian River. Notifying people where to park.
City halls. One, the biggest thing out here after hours, it still says for official business only. Maybe if you guys put a sign out there that after hours people can park there might help. Thank you very much. Hey, I usually park in the annex
building and walk downtown. Stan Johnson, I've been here about 54 years. Um, my first I have a question is that there was an 8A and 8B on the uh agenda. Is that been was was the agenda revised to lump them together?
No, it was not. Well, then how come we didn't have an AA and 8B? I apologize, Mr. Johnson. Okay. I'd like I'd like by time for 8B. Was there a card put in for 8B? He has a card for 7 A, 8 A, 8 B, 9, 10
A, and anything new? Okay. All right. So, can we start my three minutes for 8B, please? Yeah. Thank you. 8B. All right. In a similar way is that when we add the two of these together is that we have we have um what
is it? $80,000 to be gifted to somebody uh for to help their their um beautifification grant and commercial interior grant for their business in downtown.
So the business has so so much possibilities that we have to we have to it's more like um what do you call it welfare? So, I'm blood sure that our business
should be connected with welfare. I don't know if anybody's listening to this, but we're going to give away $80,000 for somebody to to do a business here in downtown. I don't get it. I really don't get it. I mean, I know this is democracy. I know
we we've got to help people. When we got CRA money, by golly, we can spend it. We can spend it. we'll just give somebody $80,000 and by golly you it's for you to to help your business grow
and because our downtown is doing such bad business and we're going to spend I don't know $2.5 million or something like that for broad street improvements that that uh we don't not sure who's going to use it but somebody's going to use it I'm sure and then we're going to
plan for a parking garage and yet wow do we really need it I mean why don't we put parking garage here right now and see who uses it, who wants to pay for it. Uh, so you can do what you want, but I am not pleased with your expenditures
and your choices in expenditures and what you're doing. And I'll explain that in the in the when I get to petitions and requests. So again, I'm not pleased. And I think also what you should do is sometimes read
your emails and respond. Please be advised. I want you all to listen to this is that all these people up here have been sent email June the 25th. Mr. Johnson, are you done with the commercial grant application? This has to do with what you're going
8B. Are you done with that? No, you've taken my time. You're not on topic. Pardon? You're not on topic. We're talking 8B. The grant application. I'm talking what you guys are doing other when I talk about expenses and so forth and you you miss you you take my time on this is and
that's what you did to s before and what you did to K St. An took away 10% of her time and what did you say to her? You said what? Remember that you said oh I didn't set the clock. It's not my fault.
So you took away her time. So now you've taken away about 20 seconds of my time or 30 seconds of my time. Thank you very much. Now it is petitions are request and you have another three minutes. Okay. Now thank you. But no thank you Mr. Mr. Connors because that's what
we're talking about. We're talking about freedom of speech. When I get three minutes or when K St. Ans get three minutes, they don't get three minutes depending on what's going on. For example, just what you said at the last council meeting. You said, "Oh, oh, I didn't set the clock. It's not my fault.
Goodbye." So, she so she left the counter. She had 10% of her time left that was that was taken because it was the time time the timer started long before she got to speak. I don't think y'all should take this
lightly. This is the Constitution of the United States. This is our Constitution. and you took an oath to defend the Constitution, but you're not doing it. Shame on you. Shame on you. Shame on you. You're not listening. Nobody's here
is listening. When you got freedom of speech in this when when you when you say pledge of alle liberty and justice for all except the city of Titansville. Is that why we should pledge of allegiance? Our you made an oath to the constitution. Constitution shall be
followed except the city of Titansville. I don't like that fact is is what I what I wanted to speak on my petition petition's request was a prayer for your repentance and resignation. So let me go ahead and do that. Okay. Lord, I just
pray I pray for God's discipline to humble your evil and arrogance to awaken you to do God's will, not city's evil works of harming and spraying innocent people with sewage in public's park beginning December 2020. You're neither a good shepherd nor a good Samaritan nor
our neighbor good neighbor when you promote evil as good. You're con artists, shysters and fools to deliberately harm your minions and peanut gall with spraying them with harmful sewage. That's what you guys are doing now. Not all of you. It's it's only six out of seven. Only six out of
seven. And by the way, this lady, I've I've approached her about many times over the past seven months, and she won't do what I asked her to do. I asked her to ask you guys, Tom, uh, it's not Harmer, Tom
a body. I say, ask him, why are they spraying people with sewage? Why are they doing it? And we all know the answers. We all know the answers because if you say something, if Mr. acres says something or Mr. Ball says something, they know it's going to be it's going to
be my golly. You're saying like, "Hey, it's okay to spray people with sewage and you're guilty. You're guilty as can be. It's evil. What you doing? It's harmful to the public." And yet we're spending, we say we spent over 50% of our budget
on safety and health, except for Mr. Acre, Mr. Bell, and six people out of seven people here. I can't believe it. I'm ashamed of you. May I have extra time? Thank you, Mr. Johnson. I don't think so. Thank you.
All right. See, no others. Executive director. Yes, sir. Uh, under executive director's reports, justformational items of activities conducted by the CRA planner. Member Ball. I have a very brief u
announcement I'd like to to make. My current four-year term on the CRA expires September 30th. And since 2001, I've I've served 20 years on the CRA.
Not all continuous, but u most most of those years. 20 years. Uh, I've decided I will not be seeking reappoint to the CRA and I wanted to let you guys know that. So, September 9th will be my last
meeting and you can hopefully encourage uh some good candidates for you to consider. Uh, there's a lot of exciting things to come downtown. Thank you very much, Member Ball. All right. Have a motion to adjurnn. to
adjourn. Motion to adjurnn is complete and we are done. We will re