Good evening. I'd like to call to order the October 8th meeting of the Titusville Planning and Zoning Commission. And we'll stand for the pledgece to the flag of the United States of America. to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roll call, please. Lori. Chairman Eton, here. Vice Chairman Childs, here. Secretary Grant here. Member FA here. Member Gar.
Member Scully here. Member Gellen here. Alternate member Sidler here. Alternate member Troutman. We have a quorum. Uh, next order of business is approval of the minutes.
September 17th. Have a motion. Make a motion to approve the minutes. I second. Second by member FAC. All in favor? I. Any opposed?
All right. Minutes pass. City Attorney, would you like to read the quasi judicial confirmation procedures? Uh, yes. I'm I'll somewhat paraphrase, but um a quasi judicial matter, and we have, I believe, one tonight. Um, a
quasi judicial matter is uh differs from administrative or legislative matter is that it's a matter that's applying the facts of a particular case against existing statute, ordinance or rule. Um a for a quasi judicial matter all
testimony uh needs to be uh taken under oath which is accomplished by signing an oath card and delivering it to the clerk. Um all exhibits that are that are presented uh will be retained by the city and become part of the record. Um
at this time uh madam clerk did were these items properly noticed? Yes. And do you have any uh cards for the quasi judicial item? Not at this moment. Not yet. Okay. If anyone wants to speak on the quasi judicial item, if you could
fill out a signature card which contains the oath and deliver it to the clerk um at this time that would be appreciated. Also for a quasi judicial item uh all members need to disclose any exparte communications. So any communications
you had uh with anyone about uh the quasi judicial item or and that would include any site visit to the property or other investigation that you uh did needs to be disclosed uh to the uh to the you know on the day before the item
is heard. Um so if there are any questions uh we can go forward. Great. Thank you. Uh we did want to make one note um of an item under new business which was uh smallcale amendment number 5-2025
which was the um bleach plant on Golden Heights Boulevard. That item will be rescheduled and uh we don't have a date certain yet. Mr. Chair, yes, just a correction. Golden Heights Boulevard is going forward today. Okay. Uh the item it was on the agenda
addendum and it was under new business and it was uh called Sunset Development. Okay. And that's the one that's the bleach manufacturing. That's the one that's been uh rescheduled. All right. Thanks for the clarification. Um so that that item will be heard at at a
different time. Um next item is our first uh section for petitions and requests from the public present. Uh if you've got anything to speak about that's uh not an agenda item, uh you can do so now. There'll be
another opportunity toward the end of the meeting. Do we have anyone who wants to speak? Stan, I'm sorry. No. Good evening. My name is Stan Johnston
and I'm a professional engineer. I'm come to you to speak about a project that I've spoken about many times. I've had signs about and uh this is an email copy of an email that hand delivering to you. It goes to Brad Parish, Kevin Cook,
a fire chief KBFOS and Ashley Smith regarding SNJ Oaks. And this is a survey that I have right here. So I'm going to repeat the first sentence that you have there. It says, I repeat to you the this the pro the name of pardon me the
subject of this uh email is um continuing serious errors with city's approval of the erroneous SNJ Oaks survey sketch plat plans plat and construction without survey monuments.
That's a mouthful. So the first sentence says, I repeat to you the following continuing serious errors with city's approval of SNJ Oaks. Number one, with city's approved plans and PL owner dashers at 11:55 Mockird Lane have no
access to their house. I'm knocking on your door because this has been this has come about many times over the last three years. So I'm saying is that with city's approved plans and PL owner dashers at
1155 Montre Lane have no access to their house. If you have questions let me know. In other words, this is a plan of a of a subdivision in which there's a road on it called Mockingbird Lane. Some of you know about it and and that the last
house was promised it was going to have access to it with this project. It it has had access for years as Blockber Lane and now it has no access. Let me say it again. This house was promised it was going to have access and
now it no longer has access with this project. Let me get let me show you. Here's here's the survey. Right here is Dasher's house. Here's mock bird land goes to Dasher's house. the owner here and and the surveyor and
the uh engineer and city said, "Well, we're going to have access now to these landlock properties, these houses when we develop it." Well, right now, you see right here, it doesn't it doesn't go to this lot.
So, in other words, the owner can't provide access to that lot, that house. They have no access because of this project. I think it's something you should question. Thank you. Thank you.
I think you should have some questions. We have anyone else that wants to speak at this time? I'm sorry, Mr. FA for staff. Have you guys looked into this that this claim that this person doesn't have access to their home? Uh
Brad, director Brad Parish has I'm not sure what the result was uh but there have been uh multiple um times addressing Mr. Johnson's concerns with Mockingberg Lane. Okay. All right. Um we have no old business.
Uh, new business was SSA 5-2026 or 6-205. Got my dyslexia in there. Uh, staff.
Good evening. Uh, Christy Anderson, senior planner. Uh this is a request for annexation smallcale comprehensive plan map amendment and reszoning application number 6-2025 uh known as Golden Knights Boulevard Industrial. The applicant is requesting
a voluntary annexation and small sale comprehensive plan amendment with reszoning on approximately 9.18 acres of land. The subject property is made up of two parcels within the unincorporated Bvard County and is currently vacant. The property is located south of Golden
Knights Boulevard and east of Tao Road just east of the uh Space Coast Regional Airport. The property has a Bvard County future land use designation of industrial and is zoned light industrial IU. The intent of the request is to change both part
both parcels to the city's industrial future land use designation with industrial M2 zoning to allow for the development of industrial uses with connections to city services. A concept plan was not provided as part of this request. The intensity of the city's
industrial future land use designation will provide for a maximum buildout potential of just over 400,000 square feet. And this does not account for additional limitations including parking, storm water setbacks, and buffers. City utilities are available to
serve the property and the preliminary concurrency assessment found sufficient capacity for the maximum buildout scenario and will not exceed the standard levels of service. Impacts on the surrounding areas may be mitigated by performance standards described in
the M2 zoning district, including increased building setbacks that must be increased for each foot above uh buildings over 50 ft in height. In addition, the property is also located within an airport height notification zone and is required to obtain either a variance or approval from the Federal
Aviation Administration and the Florida Department of Transportation in order to allow structures or buildings over 25 ft in height. This should ensure that buildings and structures maintain an appropriate safe distance from the Space Coast Regional Airport and other adjacent properties. The development
must adhere to all other performance standards including minimum landscape yard buffer, screening, lighting, and noise regulations. Industrial zone lands provide jobs and economic diversity. However, they are generally difficult to zone due to comp compatibility and nuisance impacts on
surrounding areas. The proposed industrial M2 zoning district provides more allowable uses than the existing county's light industrial zoning. The city has the opportunity to add more flexibility to the allowable uses, which will help facilitate the development of vacant
and/or underutilized industrial properties. Staff has found that the request is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan in chapter 171 of the Florida statutes. Staff recommends approval of the annexation request and approval of the comprehensive plan future land use small-cale map amendment
changing the industrial Bvoulevard County future land use designation to the city's industrial future land use designation and approval of the reszoning from Bvoulevard County light industrial IU zoning district to the city's industrial M2 zoning district on
the approximate 9.1 acre uh property located south of Golden Knights Boulevard and east of Tao Road having Bard County parcel ID numbers 23-35-2-01- aastric-90 and 23-35-02-01- aastric-77
and I'd be happy to answer any questions you have from staff at this time. Anyone have any questions before we open the public hearing? I didn't have a question. I just wanted to make a comment that staff's analysis I thought was pretty on point that
the proposed annexation reduces an existing enclave. And in the case of city growth, that's always an advantage to decrease the amount of enclave property you have, but in this case, they're they're reducing it and they're not creating a bigger or more isolated
uh enclave. Sometimes that occurs. So, that was one comment I had and I thought your analysis was really good. Thank you. And just for the other members who aren't familiar with the terminology, um Florida statutes identifies defines an enclave as a pocket of unincorporated
county within the city limits. And so we're supposed to we're not allow not allowed to annex property if it's going to result in an enclave. Um and so in this case, we have an existing enclave and we're reducing the size of that enclave. So this is seen as a benefit.
Vice Chairman Charles. Um, so the industrial in the county, you said that there's um certain uses that they don't allow in the county that our light industrial would allow them. Are
there specific uses that they're looking for? I mean, I guess for this, but um I guess what's missing from the county? I don't know. Um I I think it has more to do with connections with city services. So if industrial properties
are wanting to be developed and they are needing connections to city service, they are required to submit a voluntary annexation. So I think that that's the driving factor rather than the uses, but it does um expand the allowable uses from what the county currently allows.
And then after it's um annexed, it'll be added to the tax rules also that that piece at least. Okay. Thanks, Member FA. Uh, we talked earlier this year or late last year, it may have been earlier last
year about um our different percentages and whether or not we fall in a certain area. Remember that conversation? Okay, forgot what it was all about. But the M2 grows that, correct? So, by we now have more industrial or more in that in that area
now. So that that conversation was uh if I'm if I'm remembering right was about the live local act and um that's because of the uh residential versus the non-residential percentage of our land uses and so if um we had if we trip a
certain threshold then uh live local projects would no longer have to provide a mixeduse component to their live local project. Um this is not um of a of a size that would change that threshold for the city. Okay. Thank you.
Anyone else? All right. I'll open the public hearing. Uh we have cards. Lori, we have the applicant. Great. Good evening, Mr. Chairman, commissioners. My name is Jean Abion.
I'm with Hutton Thomas and Hutton. We're the civil engineers representing the developer. Uh we concur with your staff's recommendation on uh annexing our property with the comp plan amendment to
industrial and zoning to uh M2 zoning. Um I think um staff answered the question. we have to tie into your uh utilities so we have to uh annex but really we don't have to. We like Titusville. We have good experience in Titusville and we like to work in
Titusville. Um so we respectfully ask you to approve our request and I'm here mainly for any questions you may have. Is there any current activity as it relates to what
you think the the use may be or how quickly it and it may get used. We are in discussion right now, nothing 100% yet, but we are in discussion with some uh with a potential tenant that may come on on this property. Uh we did have
a meeting preapp with with staff. It's a construction equipment company that may want to be in in this location, but we don't have anything final yet. We're trying to finalize things. Is this in the area? Um, I know we had some
discussions about BMS and beautifification along Golden Knights. Is this in the area we were discussing, Eddie? Yes. Yes, it would be required to meet those increased buffer standards for the Golden Knights Boulevard.
Great. Thank you. Um, member Sidler, thank you. Um, my question is, do you have an estimated buildout time for this? Uh, we like to have a buildout as soon as possible, but I would say,
you know, probably, you know, maybe July or August of next year, we may have a buildout. Okay. And the size that we have is it's quite a large piece of property. Do you have an idea of how big of a structure
you're looking to put on it? Uh it won't be a big structure. It's probably going to be like 10,000 to 12,000 square feet. Uh for this type of industrial, you guys have a floor to air ratio of one, which is really big. I think we'll probably
2 to 0.25 floor to area ratio when we have ultimate buildup. We just don't see this to be a huge development in terms of buildings out there. Thank you. Anyone else have any questions?
Thank you. Good. Thank you. Any more cards? No more cards. All right. With that, I'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the commission. Any comments? If not, does anyone care to make a motion?
Vice Chairman Childs? I make a motion that we recommend approval for 9A SSA 6-2025. Do you need this in two sections? Three sections. Three section. Yeah, three separate for the Hold on. Let's see. I think they
wrote it down here for me. Sure. Uh to approve the annexation of the 9.18 acres. Is that good? Well, but in three separate things or can we do it one
um we could do three separate motions. One for the annexation, one for the future land use, and one for the zoning. Yeah. All right. So, this one's for the annexation. All right. I have a second. Second.
All right. Having a second. Um any comments before we take a vote? All right. Roll call. Member Grod. Yes. Member Scully. Yes. Vice Chairman Childs. Yes. Member Gellen. Yes. Secretary Grant. Yes. Member FA. Yes.
Chairman Eton. Yes. I make a motion that we recommend approval of the comprehensive plan for the same SSA 6-2025. Second. Moved and seconded. Um, any comments
before roll call? I need you to leave your light on member facing. I figured you did, but uh roll call please. Lori. Secretary Grant. Yes. Member FA. Yes. Vice Chairman Childs. Yes. Member Scully. Yes.
Member Gar. Yes. Member Gellen. Yes. Chairman Eton. Yes. I make a motion that we recommend approval of the reszoning for the same SSA 6-2025. Second. Second by member Grod. Any comments? No
comments. Roll call, please. Member FA, yes. Member Gellen, yes. Member Grod, yes. Member Scully, yes. Vice Chairman Childs, yes. Secretary Grant, yes. Chairman Eton, yes. I'll ask the question. When does it go
before council? It will be before council on October 28th. Great. Thank you. Welcome to the city hopefully. All right. Next order of business is a final PL. Uh the uh conditional use
permit for cold spot u has been pulled and will be resubmitted at no date certain or do we have a date certain on that? We we do not have a date at this time. Uh so just want to make it clear for everybody that the uh C number two the applicant has agreed to withdraw at this
time uh to work with staff some more to hopefully have a favorable recommendation uh moving forward. We'll bring it back to you. Um so that next order of business then is item 9 C, Harbor Lakes Final Plat on page 137 of 421.
Harbor Lakes, formerly known as Falcon's Roost and Lake Bella, is a 28 lot single family home subdivision including wetland conservation areas, storm water management, and infrastructure improvements located north of Knox McRay Drive with a parcel ID 223517
AV Star 25. The sketch plat for the subdivision was approved by city council on February 9th, 2021. The following are attached and required for approval. Final plat covenants performance bond sidewalk performance bond. The final plat is consistent with the comprehensive plan, the preliminary plat
and final plat requirements described in chapter 34 article 3 division plat of the code. Staff reviewed the final plat for consistency with the comprehensive plan development regulations and recommends approval. Staff also reviewed the covenants and performance bonds and
recommends acceptance. Um page 140 is the overall plan if you wanted to see the overall site with uh the different buffer tracks and lots. Um again the uh platting process, this is
the last step in the platting process, final plat. And so this is um the improvements have been constructed and the city is accepting the um the improvements. And with that, I'll take any questions. Anyone have any questions for staff?
All right. Open the public hearing. We have any cards? No, sir. I'll close the public hearing then. Uh bringing it back to the commission and for any questions or a motion.
Member Gar. I'd like to make a motion to approve recommend approval to the city council of the final plat harbor lakes east. Excuse me. Member Grant seconds. I second. Oh, you're a little late. Sorry, member grant be to
got to be quick and dodge. Uh, anyone have anything before you take a vote? Does this motion cover the covenants and all the other um additives? Okay. Eddie shook his head. Yes. We'll put that in the record.
All right. Uh, roll call, please. Lori. Member Gellen. Yes. Member Grod. Yes. Secretary Grant. Yes. Chairman Childs? Yes. Member FC? Yes. Member Scully? Yes. Chairman Eton? Yes.
All right. Uh item D, transmitt of the ear amendments. Transmittal of the ear. We have a presentation. Um our our team from Kimley Horn is here to help us. Um again, if you remember, we presented
this in June or July. Um the changes to the comp plan. It's part of their ear, the evaluation and appraisal report, which is our uh update to the comp plan every seven years. Um, we have a a couple tweaks that we've we've want to just present to you all to
make sure that we're still on on the same page and um and then we'll present it to city council and send it off to the state for review. Good afternoon, commissioners. Today we're going to be discussing the evaluation and appraisal review and the
comprehensive plan amendments that have come out of that process. Where did I just thought you were? Sorry. Sorry about that. We'll start off with a overview of the
updates from when we were here for a work session in June where we discussed the statutory uh required statutory changes and recommended changes as well as the outcomes of the evaluation uh and
holding capacity analysis which is in your packet labeled the uh local conditions analysis. So just as a reminder, the evaluation and appraisal review is a process that is required by the state every seven years and it's an opportunity to
evaluate the status of the comprehensive plan and whether it's meeting the needs of the city now and in the future. Uh, and it also requires that we update any policies to align with new state laws that have been adopted since the last
year review. A part of this process is looking at the projected growth and whether the city has the capacity to support that growth. We assessed the densities by the uh allotted by the future land uses of the
comprehensive plan and found that the existing densities do support the projected growth. Therefore, the densities do not need to be amended to comply with state law. In addition, the comprehensive plan establishes level of
services for infrastructure including parks, sewer, water, and transportation. and we found that the levels of service will meet the needs of the projected population. There are several changes based on statutory updates uh some of which are
required and some which are recommended based on some of those changes that are now allowed. Uh the first is that the state no longer allows uh moratoriums after storms. So, we're revising the coastal management element uh to reflect
that. Uh there are some updates to the public school element uh to align with the state impact fees uh notification requirements and credits and updates to the septic and sewer requirements in the
infrastructure element to ensure that uh that we're taking care of our impaired waters in these uh basin management area plans which uh Titusville is entirely located within. Some of the recommended changes, these
next three are not required, are to the housing element, adding a policy related to accessory dwelling units since the state uh removed some barriers related to ADUs. Uh next is the capital improvements element. Uh we're just
addressing some reporting requirements to add some clarity and adding in language about a mobility fee related to the mobility plan and uh the ability to for the city to wave impact fees related to affordable housing. Uh lastly is the
future land use element. uh we're adding language to enhance the historic preservation specifically related to cemeteries since that's uh what the state statute addresses. However, we also took it as an opportunity to strengthen uh the language around all
historic preservation in the comprehensive plan. [Music] This update also presented an opportunity to address some past community engagement that has taken place. uh in 2017 was the Titusville
tomorrow efforts and while a lot of the goals of that plan have been implemented in the comprehensive plan uh there were a few that have not been addressed yet such as the waterfront. So we added some policies related to enhancing the public public realm along the waterfront and uh
encouraging and supporting the development of a trail. In 2024, there was the natural resources public engagement. Uh again, a lot of these goals were incorporated into the comprehensive plan, but we identified
some that were missing. So, we added policies related to tree canopy and green space, native and Florida friendly landscaping, and best practices related to evaluation of wetlands. The city also received recommendations
from ECFRPC in 2021, mostly related to updating references to some of their action plans uh and updating some outdated language.
And additionally, we had recommendations from staff for access management best practices, mostly focused on enhancing safety uh along trails and focusing on pedestrian and bicycle improvements uh at those intersection
points to to support the development of those trails. Next, we wanted to highlight a change in the local conditions analysis from June. Uh, we added some additional data related to housing to make sure that we
were complying with state requirements. So, this is this is new from the last time you received this packet uh for the work session. Uh, we looked more at the types of housing that we're seeing here in Titusville. uh home ownership is at
72% and over half of the housing types here are single family. There is an older housing stock with 21% of the homes being built before 2000. And while some of these homes uh might be in need of some rehabilitation, this also
includes the uh beautiful historic homes that we see here in Titusville. 35% of the households are cost burden which means that they're spending more than 30% of their income on housing and this is mostly prevalent among renters
making less than 80% AMI. However, it is projected to increase amongst all income ranges uh into through 2050. Uh just emphasizing the need to address housing in Titusville in this
comprehensive plan update. Next, I'll pass it over to Eliza to talk about some of the public feedback that we've heard in the past two work sessions. Thanks, Emily. Good evening. Um, so first we're going to talk about outcomes
from the last meeting we had with this body back in June. Um, as we said, we went through additional detail on some of those policies in that meeting. Also, the the full strikethrough underline of the policies is in your packet. Um the Emily already talked about the update to
the local D conditions analysis related to housing. There were also a number of policies that were revised based on feedback either from um from this board or from the public at that meeting and I'll go over those. So um at that meeting we we didn't hear overall
objections to the recommended updates based on the statutory requirements and the other recommendations. Um, we heard specific support for policies and amendments related to natural resources and green space. Um, as a result of that, we delved a little bit more into
those and and beef those up a bit. Um, including expanding policies related to tree canopy and native and Florida friendly landscaping as well as wetlands. Um, we heard in that meeting from I believe it was a member of the public a desire for more discussion of
medium density and a variety of housing types. um we didn't make any changes as a result of that because we had actually already fairly recently made changes as a result of the Titusville tomorrow visioning process related to those ideas. So we felt like that was u sufficiently addressed but um you know
commensurate with what the public wanted to see. We heard at that meeting about um the importance of historic preservation and the cemetery program. So uh Emily talked a little bit about where we landed with the policies related to historic cemeteries and other sorts of historic
preservation. So that has been enhanced since the initial meeting that we had with you all. Um during that meeting we also heard the concern that what if growth happens faster than the projections. So we were looking at the projections from Bieber which is the
bureau of economic and business research which is a basically the the source that is University of Florida source that most cities and counties look to for population projections. Um so with respect to that that's it's a very solid source. However, things do change things
unexpected things happen. Um we want to reassure everyone that uh for starters this is a 20-year horizon but it gets updated at a minimum every seven years. So the um the state requirement is to update every seven years. And in fact the city if it's seeing those trends
changing can update the comprehensive plan at any time to address those changes. Um that relates also to the infrastructure availability. So as part of that discussion, one of the big concerns was well can if population happen uh population increases faster
than it's been projected, will Titusville have the infrastructure to support that? So, there's multiple different ways that the um the city deals with expected infrastructure that go beyond what's in the comprehensive plan, including the water supply plan, which is updated even more frequently,
every five years at a minimum. Um, and in addition, development permits being approved are dependent on the availability of this critical in infrastructure. So, if it got to a point where the city did not have that infrastructure available, there would be a backs stop for it. Now I don't we
absolutely don't anticipate getting to that point the city would be well ahead of that but if it came to that there would be there would be a back stop to ensure that there's sufficient infrastructure for the citizens. Um we also had some questions about storm water management which is already addressed um in the conservation
element. Now moving on to the city council work session. So we did a very similar work session with them that we did with this body um including sharing your what we heard at this meeting with them. Additional concerns we heard at that
meeting were um the discussion about waving impact fees for affordable housing. It came up that well live local the live local act at the state level is already addressing affordable housing and addressing certain monetary impacts of that. Um do we really need more? And
so we refined that policy to specifically deal with lowincome and extremely lowincome uh housing serving those population groups. Live local the live local act goes up to really middle inome housing and frankly u because of the way it's structured is most likely to result in
middle inome housing. So, this impact fee waiver now is targeted specifically at that much lower income housing to incentivize that, which is a different target than the the live local act. Um, we also heard a desire for the city
to explicitly support the Florida Wildlife Quarter. That's a statewide effort to create not just conservation, but connected conservation corridors to support the migration of species throughout the state. So, we've added language to to the conservation element
that explicitly mentions the the Florida Wildlife Corridor and points to the need to coordinate with that planning to support those statewide corridors. Um, so you we try to be relatively brief because we have talked about um much of
this before, but we focused on the updates that have happened since we talked to you last, and we're happy to to take any questions or hand it back to Eddie as appropriate. Are the population numbers that you used um in any of this as far as the actual
numbers go? Sure. So, I mean, they're at a high level. They're on that slide that we had at the beginning of the presentation, but I believe the the data report is also in the um the local conditions analysis is also in the packet. you have
49,000 plus population 2023 which was a question I had why was the population data 2023 data as opposed using beaver data that could be accurately done for 2025 was there basis for that
sure I mean so that um was the most uh so some of that was based on different sets of reports that we use so some of the more detailed data around like the housing types um is it necessarily available able to the present. I mean
the 2025 estimates we're in 2025. So the estimates are usually not the they usually fall a little bit behind where we are and we started this um I believe in 2024. I only ask because I thought I saw I saw an analysis that projected Titusville
for 2025 at 50,000 closer to 51,000 3,000 people in small communities pretty good percentage to use older data. I just wasn't clear on why why you picked 2023. Sure. We used the best available data we had at the time and again that might be that um yeah when we started the price
list and in addition data that we could use consistently across all the metrics that we were looking at. So in some cases we might have more recent data for that metric but not for other metrics and the projections I think do not change. Thank you, Vice Chairman Child.
For the um uh very lowincome housing stuff, is it just um this one addition of of focusing on accessory dwelling units? Is that the only part that's trying to address that or No. So, there there's um I believe two tell me if I'm missing any, but there's
two different two different provisions. One is encouraging the provision of accessory dwelling units and those aren't necessarily affordable in the sense of um they're they're n what we call naturally affordable or naturally attainable housing. They tend to be less expensive because of the nature of the
units. There's another provision that was added and this is explicitly allowed only under the latest uh state statute that allows um the city to wave impact fees for low-income housing, affordable housing. And that would be as part of a
project that has committed that they will only rent out or sell their um units to low-income or very low-income individuals or households. But the very low income um of course like live local is it's absurd about you know what's
affordable you know housing um most of it is like you said it's medium you know above what that focuses on. So, when we're talking about like the definition for very low and we're doing an um waving impact fees for that, is there a
pol is there a state, you know, definition for that or Yes. So, we're using the the HUD um the federal federally defined um categories that is more reasonable. Is it more reasonable, more realistic? So, um,
off the top of my head, we're talking about people who are making probably less than 60% of the average median income or households that are making less than 60%. Um, versus, you know, the live local that goes up to I forget
2020% which is more than higher than the average income. Yeah. Okay. All right. But those are those are defined and they change. HUD updates those annually. Yeah. I like the ADU stuff, too. And I wish I think we've kind of gone through a a little bit and I I would love for us
to open it up, you know, wider for everybody, too. So, all right. Thank you. And both of those uh provisions will require a change to the land development code to get to full implementation. So, there's additional an additional step. Yeah. Amber facing
um affordable housing and and I don't like the word affordable because it's no longer affordable. Uh I don't like the catch term attainable either. Uh both of those are simply just it just doesn't happen anymore. Um the median income for this area here is just too kind it's too low and developers are playing with the
numbers like I said making it medium income. Right. So one of the other ways that we can do to um make housing um attainable for our very low-income families. One of the areas would be land leases and has that been discussed? Is
the city willing to open up some land and do land leasing and build some housing in that manner? Is that the same as a a community land trust? Yes, we have our first CLT um with neighborhood services department.
Okay, fantastic. And so that's again that's that's one way there to because it's it will be in perpetuity. Correct. Correct. That's one thing I wanted to point out also is that um while we're talking about the comprehensive plan which discusses development at large, the city also has an affordable housing
uh committee that focuses on strategies just for affordable housing. And they have uh I think it's about 16 different strategies that they go through every year to approve to make sure that the city is approving um the the best strategies for affordable housing every
year. Um so there's we're attacking afford affordable housing on both fronts um through the comprehensive plan and um through strategies looking at the affordable housing committee approving those um incentives. Right. And any so we we've discussed that. And so the other thing that I I I kind of caution or I'm worried about
when we're talking about these projections of um a future residence and and we've thought before, right, is that when someone puts in an application to build a development on a street, um we don't take into consideration all those developments because they all may not
get built, but if they do, that's that's an immense um strain on what's already there. And again, I'll use my my my home. I live off of Sison Road and they're building those 91 town homes across the street from my my development there. Um, and right next is an apartment complex. And so Sison all of a
sudden has an apartment complex and now 91 town homes and all this development on a collector street. Is that a collector road, Sison? Yes. All right. Um, that's a lot that's a lot of new traffic on that road. So when we when we say that infrastructure is there
to support growth, is it really? Is it is it is it is it really there? Because we've had um residents complaining, right, that storm water is backing up into their home because of a new development. We have residents complaining that low water pressure because of new development. Um
is our infrastructure really in place to sustain said growth up to 2050 without any major improvements? So, I will say the comprehensive plan is dealing with this very much at a high kind of 50,000 ft level. So, for instance, we're looking at um is there
enough water, enough gallons of water to serve the whole city, not necessarily whether there might be specific issues in specific locations. Um that would be something that would have to be dealt on a a much more specific basis. The other the other thing that I would mention is that uh this this update to the
comprehensive plan doesn't create any new development rights because we're not making any changes to the future land use map. So there's nowhere that you can build a house after these go through that you couldn't build a house now. Um so that you know that dis just that is
part of what we're looking at is that we're not increasing any development as part of this update. I I I guess my my point behind that was that from what I'm hearing you say is that where we are today will sustain growth into 2050. And my my point is I from
what I'm hearing from from residents is that's not true. They're experiencing something very very different from what your report is saying that that that is possible. And I guess that's what my point is. Would you guys agree? Mr. I think that one of the components of
the comprehensive plan is levels of service that were adopted. In most communities in Florida, they choose to pick a very highly dense, if you think of automobile traffic as dense volume-wise at a level of service that they can
build into for the next 50 years. However, you will find your local street is congested because a level of service D is a pretty congested road. I'm not positive I recall the level of service adopted for local collector roads, but I suspect it's either C or D. Most don't
want to adopt a level of service B would would be citizen road right now and if that was the case you'd stop development and start buying right away and the lema of the horns is if you don't have the money how do you buy the rightway and if you don't grow how do you get the money to get the rightway and that's why level
of services have been adopted at reasonably high volume levels that sound kind of correct and in addition I would note that um I don't think that's a state road but a lot of the system is state roads which adds an additional level of complexity because the city's not responsible for those facilities.
But if that's a segue, I was going to mention that and I've talked to Mr. Parish about this. I attended the workshop that FDOT did for uh State Road 405, South Street, whichever you call it. And um again, the dilemma of the horns is Titus participates in the
transportation planning organization, a funding source, and Titles is in competition with other communities. The presentation for 405 is always the same. We are going to work on the road, but we don't have the money for the rightway. So, one of the things that's important I
noticed is the policy 1.10.1 where you're kind of shoehorning in the next step, which is to adopt local ordinances that regulate and control median crossings and also allow the city to dictate where the driveway may be today isn't where it's going to be next
year when they widen the road. and controlling that through uh easements or frontage roads or rearage roads or whatever road you do that keeps traffic volumes from intersecting those principal streets which is where the congestion begins and ends on roads like cis or and 405 and tonight's a good
example of how fast that takes place. If you want to develop, you need water and sewer. If you're in the unincorporated county, you have to annex to get it. And 405 Titus can't possibly acquire the rightway in the funding available to it. But working out local ordinances in com
combination with the TPO could get Titus in a leveraged position one day to move them up in the funding sources available through that organization. And that was one of the things I actually mentioned to the mayor the night of the meeting is this is a good policy to have. The next step is to start working on the local
ordinances that make that implemented. Member Seedler. Thank you. I'd like to um capitalize on what you were mentioning about the infrastructure and the projected growth rate and how it it looks it appears to be wonderful and what we are
experiencing in the community right now. Um we do have a lot of flooding. I am concerned about what is Titusville our water capacity right now. How are we doing? How many do we serve? Just these
are questions that kind of come up in my head. And have we reached our capacity in Titusville? So, um I don't know if you want to pull up there. We do have those numbers in the report. Um I don't know all of them offhand. I I may I don't know that we
went into them in detail last time either just because we didn't want to keep you here all night. Um but based on the report we have there is a sufficient capacity to serve the existing population as well as the projected increase that we're showing in terms of overall water supply. Um I will mention
storm water's been mentioned a couple times. There's not a level of service for storm water. So that's not part of the infrastructure that we were looking at when we addressed this. So that's that is a different a different beast. And all of these are are kind of different situations. You know, the amount of water people use that can
change a little bit, but it's it's, you know, to not to be crude, but people flush the toilet like on average about the same number of times, right? Versus um transportation can be highly variable depending on the choices that people make in terms of where they live and work and um and how they choose to
travel. And parks is somewhat subjective, right? I think there's not a a um a objective way to define how many parks is the right amount of parks. So, um all of these are a little bit different and if we wanted to get into them individually, I think we'd get some different answers, but I wanted to
address those those issues and um hopefully that also addressed your question. Where do we get the majority of our water? I could I know we get part of our water from Coco for the south part. Some of
it's fed in. We've had public works here. Yeah, we've had I was going to mention I think it was in a July meeting that was on the uh on the overhead earlier probably prior to your tenure. I think Kevin Cook came and that's it. Was that in July?
Yeah. And he gave and it might be something you can call up on YouTube, but he gave a real thorough explanation of how where our water comes from. As you said, some comes from Coco, but it's decreasing. Most of it comes from the wellfield area in the north. Yeah. And the least comes from the wellfield area in the south. And that his projections
when he gave the dissertation on available portable water was Titus has got capacity for water for the next 20 year conference or plan period. But he did mention that the one I think you said one was tainted. The one by the airport, right? That the the southern wellfield
is the one they want to try to move away from. volumetrically they've got capacity for that. At least that's what the report said that he gave and I do believe it was in the July meeting and that was in the July meeting. Okay. And I do have our numbers if you want those. Um looking at the the local
conditions memo um we're showing that the current usage and this is based not on level service but on actual usage is four a little over 4.5 million gallons per day. Um, and the capacity is 6.5 million gallons and we're projecting
that there's the need for an additional something like 400,000 gallons. Um, and there's another million gallons available. So, that's that's what our numbers are showing at this time. Now, we don't go into the level of detail that the water supply plan goes into.
So, I'm I'm sorry. Okay. Some something just didn't something didn't ring true yet. All right. So our current populace is is what? That's using 4.5 million gallons. And then and and then what is the delta for our growth? That's what I'm looking for. So you're saying that currently
you're using 4 point something million gallons a day, right? Or a year or whatever that metrics is, right? And that's that's today in 2025. And in 25 years from now, we're only going to need 400,000 additional gallons with the current growth rate.
Based on the level of service uh of gallons per day, yes. And there that and and and the Cape themselves right now are projected to bring in I think is it 100,000 people. How many people is the Cape trying to bring in? They just reported they're trying to bring in 100,000 folks. And let's just
say we only get 15% of that. Are you saying that that will not increase us more than four,000? mean 400,000 gallons. We're projecting an increase of roughly 6,000 units. So yes, if 100, this is not projecting 100,000. So you guys are projecting 6,000 units
in the next 25 years. Correct. That's based on the this University of Florida. And then so what was our growth over the last five years? Oh, just just five years. So the growth rates, I don't have the historic growth rates in front of me right now, but the historic growth rates in this community that during the time
we've been working here, which is since 2017, have been pretty modest. Um, it's been very slow growth, right? But um, but that was prior to commercialization of of NASA. Sure. Since the commercial commercialization of NASA, our our our economy has kind of
exploded. Would you It's kind of we've gotten kind of big and it's it's not slowing down. So you're using past growth rates to project future growth rate not including the numbers of NASA. Is is that does that accurate? So we are we are not projecting the
growth rate. We are relying on University of Florida who is also not projecting the growth rate. Okay. So once again, so so we're we're circling right back around to that we're not using proper data to project
future usage, which means there's a really big probability of us not being able to sustain the growth that we're looking at truly having truly having, not what the University of Florida is projecting. Is that accurate? I can't speak to the University of Florida's projections because I don't
have all the detail on how those are produced. Okay. Well, that would be important to know, wouldn't it? Like how the data was gathered to make sure that it actually meets our needs because we just can't use data just to be using data for data purposes, right? We have to know how the data was gathered to make sure that the
data actually represents the communities that we're reporting on. Otherwise, we're giving out false information. So, the state statute requires reliance on one of these established data sources for these updates. Um, I certainly hear what you're saying in terms of making
sure that it's it's really projecting what's likely to happen. Um, and the city again has multiple outlets for doing that, including the water supply plan, which um is is more aggressive. I believe when we talk to them, they're they're using more aggressive population
estimates, which are um in order to be conservative. But this isn't just for water now. So, like I said, we're going back over to the whole comprehensive plan, right? So we're we're talking now about electricity usage. We're talking about road. We're talking about the entire comprehensive plan and that there are
people that are moving here by the drones and we're not taking that to consideration because University of Florida didn't. I this this report to me now honestly just for me from my former it is useless. It really is not. This is
cannot be used as a planning tool because it doesn't part it doesn't take into account the true growth. Could you imagine running a business based on old data from 1980 and saying I'm gonna start a business based on 1980s data in 2025 and you're like it doesn't it doesn't make sense because it doesn't
apply in 2025. Okay. Thank you. Member Seedler. What do we do when we feel that what the community is experiencing and and what the data is telling us and we have questions about
that. What are our options? So just so there's been people that have disagreed with using Kimberly Horn because we use them for a lot of things and this is where sometimes when you use Kimberly Horn for so many things it
becomes a conflict of interest. Um I I not you guys individually, right? This is the city decide to use you guys your your firm for a a multitude of things. So they also represent um contractors as well. So Kimberly Horn not only represents the city of Titusville, but they also represent contractors as well.
And so many people in the community have thought have have voiced their concerns about continually using Kimberly Horn for these types of um um consulting, right? Because they have a dual purpose. I mean they they they they they they do.
And when I look at this report now, not you guys, right, but just for my city. I love this. I was born and raised here. When I look at this, I get angry because this gives a pie in the sky look that things are all great for the city of Titusville when it's not. We're heading for a cliff and nobody's talking about
you're going to run off a cliff right now. That's that's that's that's a problem. Okay. And it needs to be addressed sooner than later. um pushing it down down down the road to 2050 and all of a sudden say, "Oh, well, we grew and we
didn't expect that growth." That's not true. It's not true. It we know they're coming. They've been coming. May I just make one point of fact? Um so I just want in case you weren't aware, I've been working with City of Titusville since 2017. At that time, I
was part of a different firm um called Kanan Associates, which was much smaller and was not actively involved in development projects within the city. I am now an employee of Kimley Horn and take that for what you will, but I just want to provide that context. From 2017 to 2023 um 20 end of 2022, we were serving um
the city of Title under a different flag. So, we do have that history. Okay. Thank you, Member Gar. Um I'm not sure I can be 100% accurate in my memory. So, I'll qualify a statement to answer your question and
also respond to your concern. Bieber is a recognized authority on demographic population analysis and the state of Florida respects that, requires that. So whether you're loading a school with students and planning the next school,
when growth goes crazy, I came from growth goes crazy. It's been going crazy for 40 years. Sure. So when growth goes crazy in fast growth areas like central Florida and projection Titusville could join that. Bieber is the source, it's where Bieber
gets the data. So the building permits the certificates of occupancy are forward through the local governments to the University of Florida. They take the numbers, they crunch them and they project. when they start seeing trends, economic trends, business research.
Those trends would represent as well faster growth percentiles, they in turn adjust their numbers accordingly. Incredibly important Beaver is to school projections because you can't build a school in one year, but you can grow a population of a school in that same
period of time with rapid development. It is the dog chases the tail, but it's the only game in town because Beaver's the recognized analysis. You can't really go out and grab some numbers from your local department of planning and zoning and say, "Look, this is how many people we think we're going to have
because they're going to refute that by saying, "But Bieber's projections there." We've tried that back when I saw the problem with school loading and trying to work around the obvious slowness of adjusting demographic projections
when they're using documents like building permits. one building permit's issued and in fast growth communities, 150 subdivision lots got approved by the final subdivision like tonight and next week we'll have two houses under construction. You're playing catch-up.
It's just the way it works. But there are certainly I think Florida's uh recognized because of the trend of 30 or 40 years of just cons 50 years 60 years Disney it just this growth goes from 8%
to 10% to 12% to 20%. And you can see what you see is reality but there really isn't any way that local governments have found a way around the barn on that. It's just the way that it plays out. And and I respect that. I I really do and I understand that it's not an easy
game, but it is also as a member of this community, I can't let that be the answer. I I just can't sit back and say, "Okay, well, that's just way that it is because if we do, then we just let, you know, we just run off the trail. I mean, we run off the cliff and no one spoke
up." So, I'm going to speak up and I'm going to say that this this needs to be looked at, you know, harder. That's all. But I love you guys. Any additional comments? All right, I'll open the public hearing. Do you have any cards on this?
Yes, Laura Lee Thompson. Hello. Um Laurely Thompson, 3550 Irwin Avenue in Mims. And um I'm I'm here tonight to a ask you guys um to make a couple of changes in in the document um
before it goes to the city council. Well, oh no, I guess you have to recommend to the city council that the changes that the TEC would like to see happen um happen. You guys are the ones that'll have to carry the ball for us since we we haven't even looked at this.
Um so um in conservation element policy 1.6.8 it says the city shall consider a study to research and incorporate best practices to conserve wetlands based on quality and importance within the
wetland system. Well, the TEC at our last meeting voted to make our next major project trying to help straighten out the inconsistencies in the wetlands policies in the comp plan specifically in the future land use
element and the conservation element. And we want to strengthen um we you know it it says that this was based on based on recommendations from the NE 2024 natural resources public engagement
um thing which I have here in my hand and nowhere in it does it say to do a study. This can be done in in-house with staff. We don't need to pay a consultant to do a study and and and this language adding this language to the comp plan
incorporate best practices. That's that's not strong language. That's not going to help us. It's just going to be obuscated just like all the other languages. Um so we're we're asking that you would recommend to the
city council that policy 1.6.8 be removed from the transmitt. um before it goes to the state. Um the other thing that we would like to see changed is um policy 1.5.8
um and it it says require Florida friendly plant materials for all new development, prohibit the planting of invasive exotic plants and incentivize the use of native vegetation as a primary design element in new landscaping. uh promote the use of
plantings appropriate to the unique climatic conditions of Titusville and appropriate for the specific planting conditions to minimize maintenance and encourage plant health. And it says um in the next column based on recommendations from the 2024 natural
resources public engagement. This language actually was in the draft of of the natural resources report, but when um it came to the TEC for final approvement, we spent a lot of time going through every strategy, every
column, and changing the wording to make sure that it was what we wanted. And the the draft said to use Florida friendly, but the TEC changed it to Brevard Native. There's a big difference between Florida friendly and Bvard native plants
that will actually grow and survive here in in our in our area. And and so the TEC respectfully asks that you would recommend to the city council that in policy uh 1.5.8
that the words Florida friendly should be changed to Breard Native. And it's that's pretty simple. Um, any questions? No, I I remember when you brought that into us last time about the reason why
it needs to be Brevar native and not for friendly was because of the growing zones and that we are in a different growing zone than South Florida and a different growing zone than North Florida. And so I do remember that and I think that's a that's a great a great point. Thank you. Thank you. So, thanks for your
consideration and hopefully you will um recommend to the city council. Take out that policy about the wetlands. That is not going to make it any easier for the TEC to wade through those those policies and it's just going to confuse
things even more um and change uh Florida friendly to Bard Native. Thank you very much. Thank you, Lori. Any additional comments on? No, sir. All right. With that, I'll close the public hearing and bring it back. A
member Gar, just a question. U is it possible the language you just spoke about is printed that you could hand it to staff in case we vote for that so we make sure we get the language correct? Thank you. Any additional comments?
facing. Yeah. Do you do you guys remember the um the growing zones in W that Boulevard? Okay. And then um for 1.6.8 uh can you tell us about the thought
proc thought process behind the city shall consider a study to research um versus the city shall and you know take the word consider out if that's what we're going to do. Um and then from best practices um something wetland is
something that we've been trying to preserve the most. So I don't again to her point I don't understand why we are only considering and again best practices. Um that leaves a lot for interpretation and as well as misuse. So can you can you tell us the thought
process behind the language of shall consider and best practices? So I'll I'll make a specifically on shall consider whenever we're obligating this whenever we're putting in language that could obligate the city to spend money in a comprehensive plan because a
comprehensive plan is highly binding. We're very cautious. So um you know we we put in that shall considers to leave make sure the city council has plenty of bandwidth to uh to manage their budget as appropriate because we know the city doesn't have unlimited funds and so we
don't want to go around requiring the city to do things. So that's the that's the logic behind the shell consider. Um in terms of the the additional language, um we are aware that there's a number of issues floating around around this and essentially we um didn't have the
expertise and um and scope devoted to this project to really meaningfully deal with the the issues that are being discussed. And so this was our solution to address the fact that this does need to be addressed without um putting together a proposal that would be inadequately
um vetted. Okay. Um thank you. So, does uh staff and Kimberly Hornet have any um rebuttal, for lack of a better term, on Miss Thompson's two items
other than what we just talked about? Sure. I mean, I would say that changing the Florida friendly to Bvard native is going to impact our reviews. Currently, that's not the code. And so, that's going to make some u some reviews uh change. Uh right now you you can use
Florida friendly plants in your in your in your uh landscape plans. And if we were to uh change that to just Bard Native, that's much more um narrow in scope. Um and that's not fully fleshed out. That's not saying um only Bvard
Native. That it's maybe that's only a certain threshold. So there's still a lot of detail that needs to be um fleshed out in that policy. Um but if that's the direction that the commission wants to recommend then um that's the direction we'll move in. And can I yeah add on to that? So um you
know I did have a discussion with our landscape architecture group about this. Florida friendly is a highly established program. They have databases. They have manuals that are continually updated. So it's that's why we try to reference that program whenever we can. Um often rather than trying to come up with unique plant
lists or or what have you. Um, it is absolutely important that the right plant zones be used and you're not trying to plant Miami plants in in Bard County or Gainesville plants in in Bvard County and it's up to the uh to the landscape architects and the staff to make sure that they're dealing with that
appropriately. Um, I did have a detailed conversation about the Bvard native issue and the feedback that I and this is not out my is not deep in my expertise but I've tried to educate myself um that actually that Bvard County has enough internal diversity
that there are plants that would be appropriate in one area of Bard County that would not necessarily be appropriate in another area of Bard County such as Titusville. And Titusville, I was told, even has fairly unique unique climatic conditions that are different than most of the the rest
of the county. So that's why we tried to be very specific on um for one thing requiring versus encouraging. Requiring the established program that that and I believe the language before was encourage Florida friendly. So it did not require Florida friendly. So we think that's an upgrade to go from
encouraging Florida friendly to requiring. That's very doable. Um, but uh, when it gets to the the more detail of what's specific to Titusville, that's something that would need to be more fleshed out and probably dealt with on a case- by case basis. The other thing
that I would note is that, you know, a shopping center parking lot is not a native context. So, making sure that you have plants that are survivable in those conditions isn't always the same as what would be survivable in a native habitat
condition. So that's the other thing that the Florida plant friendly plant list does is provide the the diversity of plants that um are necessary to deal with the diversity of conditions you might be dealing with both geographically in terms of where the project is located as well as um
specifically where the project is located within a site. Member Grant, I had a question and along the lines of the comprehensive plan, the 50,000 foot observation versus down in the trenches.
We had a really lengthy because I was involved in a lot of discussion about all these different terminologies of plants and the list of plants that was presented which was in the landscaping code that just recently went through a revision that focused on a lot of the
stuff TEC wanted. I seem to recall there were percentiles in that that we worked out that we would have so many of this and so many of that or we'd encourage this instead of that. So perhaps in the language that's presented now from the
50,000 ft it wouldn't preclude in fact it wouldn't affect the implementation the implementation of the landscaping code comes from the city ordinance which was worked out I think this summer when we were talking about last spring where
we've codified what's planted here and this is better than that and so many of these and not and we deviated I recall from what was a much much more universal landscaping ordinance where everything was going to be patunias from New York State. Your point about wrong plant,
wrong place. So it seems to me that from a comprehensive plan point of view, this doesn't affect the current ordinance that was worked out to specifically what Eddie was talking about. They'd have to rewrite an ordinance if you change this code and you're back to going to the
landscaping code. This doesn't affect that code. that code was worked out to balance the type of planning material. Maybe perhaps language could say Florida friendly and encouraged Bvard native something that would gel with what kind of dovetailed with the ordinance and
that way at least you do make a statement 50,000 ft up be aware we're we're wanting to stress using our native plants in this region Bard County does that kind of work you think maybe with what? Yeah, maybe even add North Bard native
and it's our point and if you said encourage you wouldn't have to rewrite your ordinance because it's suggesting and I think we even had discussions about subjective words like encourage what's that mean right thank you any any other comments before we
move to the next step all right anyone care to take Take a stab at a motion here. Let Mikey do it. Segue of my comment. Huh? Along the lines of what I've just mentioned, I believe we can recommend uh
to the city council to approve the E amendments as proposed and include an amendment to the language as pointed out where we can add encourage using Bard Native to that um uh statement. I forget the policy 1.5.8. 8 or 1.6.8 or one of
those and if you can work that language out that would be my recommendation. Okay. Do we want to address the other item mentioned as well as it related to the requirement for report I think or wetlands
wetland 1.6.8 is the uh wetlands one that or that's on page 356. Yeah, I I could Yes, TEC recommended not to have that illustrated in the comp plan.
That's correct. Let me ask staff a question to before I chart change my motion. Absent that, is there any prohibitation using the current code, all the codes that affect wetland
integration or wetland impacts without that policy at all? No. back to the implementation by ordinance and the 50,000 foot view from overhead. The ordinance has remained in effect. Okay. Then I' I'd recommend is
to add to it the deletion of 1.6.8 on page 356. And that was kind of the reason I asked absent that. Well, right now it's absent that. Correct. Yeah. This is an so if you don't make the change it doesn't affect the implementation of the ordinance which protects wetlands
codified in some standard second. Any additional comments for quote roll call please Lori what was what was the motion again?
The motion was to add the word encourage Boulevard native landscaping in the statement of the policy 1 1.5.8 and to delete policy 1.6.8 on page 356
and to Yes. Okay. And parenthetically because without it you have what you have now as a rule and all this is doing is saying you're going to propose to consider your about subjective words. So, I think it I think
it works well the way it is without that statement. All right. Go ahead, Lori. Member Scully. Yes. Secretary Grant. Yes. Member Grod. Yes. Vice Chairman Childs, yes.
Member Gellan, yes. Member FA, no. Chairman Eton, yes. And typically they asked for why there's a no member facing. Yeah. Again, so with the numbers that
were used tonight projecting 6,000 units between now and 20 and and 2050, that just doesn't seem to bode well for me. And so that skews the entire report. All right. And this goes to council
trying to catch Eddie. Want to do Joe Crown on the 28th. Great. Thank you. All right. Uh, this is the second petitions and requests from the public present session. Does anyone care to
speak? I have one card. Bill Young, Bill Young, 612 Inter Avenue. Okay, so I have a copy of this thing here. You all know what this is? It says you guys uh acknowledge that
acknowledgements that you guys worked on this. Apparently the TEC was supposed to work on it did, but I don't see their name in here. So, um what I found was uh on page 51 it talks about energy efficiency and
improvements and improvement uh built energy support and um so it talks about that. So, I'm not sure what all you guys do or what your requirements are, what your purpose is and what what controls you have, but do you know what a zero
energy home is? Everybody knows what a zero energy home is. Maybe no some maybe heard of it. Okay. So, um zero zero net. So, okay. So, a zero energy home. So,
we're having developers build hundreds of houses Okay. That I don't think you're being a planning and zoning organization. Wouldn't you set the rules that say they need to be zero energy homes? If if this plan says you're trying to make them
efficient, use renewable and things like that, then aren't you making all these developers do that? Isn't that part of your job? I don't know what all your job is, but here in this plan, it talks about that. Okay. So, um I don't know
what you were doing Saturday, but my house was open as solar powered and it was open for the public to come and see how my house is solar powered. So, I had some people come and and talk to me and say, "Gee, I got $400, $500 a month
electric bill." And then I tell them, "Mine's less than a hundred." And they go, "What?" Okay. So, you can add zero energy building construction for less than $100 a month to your house
and save $300. So why are you letting people build new homes that they're going to have $500 electric bills? So I this year I had five people come and complain to me because my solar powered house doesn't have that kind of a bill. So why are you elite all these
developers do this? Isn't this part of your plan to do this? So that's so I'm asking like you know I don't know what your job is but but here on pa that page you have three or four items that talk about and so the electric charging station over here at the welcome center doesn't work. Okay. Anybody have an
electric car? Who has electric car? I'm the only one. Oh, you have one. See I have I have four. Yes. Okay. So um and I tried to park over there but it doesn't work. It used to work but now it has a nice fancy sign. a nice fancy sign that says it doesn't
work. So I don't know what that costs. Thank you. So I guess his question is which I didn't hear it but I think his question was hey city. So what does it mean when you guys post a zero energy home? So I'm going to ask that question he didn't ask
for him. So Eddie can you please explain to us what that means because I I think he was accusatory and I don't want to take that personal. Well, that's Mr. Bill Young. He's a member of our TEC and he's very proud of his home, his historic home here. He
does have a zero energy home. He cooks hot dogs and cookies in his little solar oven. Um, if you do ever get a chance to stop by on the solar energy tour, um, used to work at the solar energy center. He's a quite the character. He does have a very nice house.
So, uh, I'll ask since we just got off the comp plan and perhaps he should have spoke during comp. Is there anything in the comp plan that has to do with soft language like we've talked about
encourage or whatever as it relates to energy footprint. There were no uh statutory requirements to address anything related to that. So uh we did not address that in this perhaps Mr. Young, if you cared to talk
to city council when they consider this, if if if the city council will hear the comp plan that we just spoke to, if you wanted to speak before them when they consider that, it would probably be appropriate that if they did want to address it, that it be put at least
mentioned in the comp plan. So, I should come to a city council meeting. Probably wouldn't hurt if you want to. They they can do more than we can. Let me put it that way. We know each other. I've been in this town since 57. Anybody been here longer than 1957?
I wasn't even born. Neither was I. And I'm old. Oh, I wanted to say I was going to say um I have solar power and battery backup. So I I could be off the grid completely. I'm a mild prepper. I I have
food storage, too, and water. And I'm ready to go. A mile from my house. Right around the corner from me. So, I know where to go. I also have guns, so don't just store in my house, but So, you may not want to go there.
Yeah. Yeah. Make sure you uh announce yourself before you go visit. All right. Um, that was the last card, Lori, for decisions. Uh, and you don't need a card if anybody wants to speak um during that session.
Uh, city staff report. Uh, just that we have our new city attorney starting next week. Um, and so we'll Who's not the city attorney? Not the city attorney, but we've been very um happy to have him. So, um, yeah, grateful.
All right. Mr. Not city attorney. Do you have any reports? And actually on that point, we have been keeping her in the loop. Um she's very excited to be here and she's wanted to know the projects that are going on and she watches she's probably watching right now um because she does watch all the meetings. She's very excited to come
on board. So I think she'll be a huge asset to the city. Great. Thank you. Uh I have no report. Uh any of the members have a report? Uh member FA Sunday I think between 3 and 5 2 and 5 or something 11 and three. Uh the city
is having something downtown uh this Sunday. Um I don't know what it is, but anyways, come downtown this Sunday in in the effort. There's something going on downtown. There's something going on downtown. Doing five. All right. Uh if nobody has anything
else, we stand a journ.