Congratulations. [Applause] Justin Kenneth Taylor and James Restelli come up please. Are they here? Thank you.
Retirements. Retirements. Correct. Start with Ken first. Okay, Jim. Ken's not here. Okay, sorry. Just Jimmy. Well, James, I want to Jimmy, I want to dedicate this for again on behalf of the council and the mayor for your 37 years
of faithful service in the field of the department of public works since 1988. We demonstrate professionalism, excellence, and strong commitment to ensuring the cleanliness and sanitation of our township. You've held the position of driver for a long time, 37 years, and we wish you well going
forward in the future. You want to say a few words to uh No problem. [Applause]
Take a picture. One, two, three. I'll just read this though for Mr. Taylor in his absence. Kenneth Taylor has dedicated his 40 years of service to Tom's River uh specifically the Bailey Golf Course since 1985 where he demonstrated unwavering commitment and
exceptional contributions. Kenneth Taylor held the position of mechanic, then moved up to chief mechanic at the Bay Golf Course. Mr. Taylor displayed exceptional skill and knowledge and dedication in maintaining the township's fleet of vehicles and equipment, ensuring the safety and
efficiency of township operations. The mayor and council, on behalf of the mayor and council, I want to wish Kenneth Taylor a great future going forward and again, thank you for his 40 years of service. That's quite a long time. So, thank you again. Next is item number seven is a resolution.
of the township council of the township of Tom's River, Ocean County, New Jersey, authorizing the renewal of liquor licenses for 2025 2026. Second. Motion was made by Councilwoman Oul, seconded by Councilman Quinnless. Councilwoman Otul, yes. Councilman
Quinn, Quickley, yes. Council President Lamb, yes. Council Vice President Coleman, yes. Councilman Burn, yes. Councilman Sakosi, yes. Councilman Nverson, yes. Thanks. Item number eight is a resolution to the
township council of the township of Tom's River, Ocean County, New Jersey, authorizing the renewal of club liquor licenses for 2025 2026. Motion offered. Second. Motion was made by Councilwoman Oul, seconded by Council Vice President Coleman. Councilwoman Oul, yes. Council
Vice President Coleman, yes. Council President Lamb, yes. Uh, Councilman Burn, yes. Councilman Sakosi, could you please uh read uh what club this is for in the record, please? There are various clubs throughout the town. All clubs,
right? All the clubs. All the clubs. Yes. Okay. Yes. Councilman Iverson. Yes. Councilman Quinn. Yes. Resolution number nine of the township council, Township of Toms River, Ocean County, New Jersey, appointing Stephen
A. Hensel as registered municipal clerk for a three-year term commencing June 30th, 2025 and continuing through June 30th, 2028. Motion made. Second. Motion was made by Councilwoman Otul, seconded by Council Vice President Coleman. Councilwoman Otul, yes. Council Vice
President Coleman, yes. Council President Lamb, just want to congratulate Mr. Hensel on a job well done. It's certainly not an easy course. It's not an easy test. I think the passing rate is is well below uh 50%. It's like, you know, the passing rate is
very very uh narrow and to succeed and uh Lee just shows that your you know proficiency and your skill is uh there. So I want to congratulate you and of course yes, Councilman Burn. Yes. Councilman Sakosi,
abstain. Councilman Nverson, yes. Councilman Quinn, um since the clerk works for the U council and since there is a new council coming in the next six months, I think this is a decision best left to
that council decide. Uh so I'm going to have to say no for now. But Steve, congratulations on passing the class. I know it is tough. Item number 10 is a resolution of the township council of the township of Toms River, Ocean County, New Jersey, authorizing the reading of the Township of Tom's River 2025 calendar year budget
by title only. Motion made. Well, I think at this time we're going to open up to public comment. If anybody from the public wishes to make comment, please step up to the microphone, say your full name, address, excuse me, council president. Um, this resolution comes first and then the public comment.
Okay, so Okay, got it. Okay, continue. Motion was on uh Councilwoman Oul. I'll second. Uh, Councilwoman Otul, yes. Council President Lamb, yes. Council Vice President Coleman, yes. Councilman Burn,
yes. Councilman Sakosi, yes. Councilman Nverson, yes. Councilman Quinn, yes. Now, we'll open up to public comment. If anybody from the public wishes to comment on the budget, please come forward with your name, full name, full address, please provide said comment.
Council President, I'm sorry. Can we have a motion to open the public comment? Motion, please. Yes. I'll make the motion. Second. All in favor? I I thank you. Dennis Galante, 1149 Cherokee Court, Tom River, New Jersey. Now, why
are you opening up public comment on a resolution when I have requested and others have requested in the past to be able to speak to a resolution and you disallow it? So, why do you do it now? And what happened to our budget hearing?
I I understand the budget's being amended, but what happened to that? This is a hearing. That's my question. This is the hearing on the budget. And to answer your question, the hearing we had we had a hearing last month. You weren't here. We had it last month. We
had a presentation full presentation the last meeting. I was here you had you hadation title only adoption of you were going to put forward to the public a to you know a total hearing on particulars of the budget here. Is am I correct or not?
Because that would be under an ordinance and would it wouldn't be always has been. No, it's always double speak. I don't know. You're referring to something in the past that I didn't open up to a resolution. I don't know what you're referring to. As far as the position we are here, this is the public comment section. So, if you have a comment that pertains to the budget,
please offer it. And we'll either call on the administration to answer for it or we also have the township order. He's also here to discuss if you would like to hear detail. I think this is absurd. Christopher Raymond, 111 Flag Street.
Who do I address about the budget regarding a line item? If you want to just again address me with line, I'll talk to administration. Line item would be a big concern. Uh, a lot of us have children in the schools. Will the township be funding their fair share of the money for the Tom schools
with the class three officers remaining in the school? Yeah. Yes. I don't I don't see that item. That's why I'm asking that question. No, I think that that So, the answer is yes on that. Oh, yeah. It's I believe it's going to cost us a little more money this It's like 240 $440,000. I was told 230, but that's
good. Uh that's good news. Number two is what about the back filling of the 17 officers in the police department. Will that also be in this budget as well? So, I'll jump in. Right now, we're not down 17 officers. So, I'll just correct your number. Right now, there are a number of officers who are uh retiring or have
retired that are out but are still on the books. They will be replaced. This budget calls for full employment and replacement of every officer in the Toms Police Department. It always has. So, I've just put that to rest right now. That money is all in there. Well, you
can put whatever you want to rest. The fact is that 17 officers and I believe that's not a fact. There's not 17. Can I at least finish my statement, please? No, you can finish, but I'm going to jump in, too, because I'm I'm going to correct you on it. And then come after Labor Day, there's another class, graduating um another recruit class. How
many officers is Tom putting in that class? Again, I'm not I don't that's not my department as far as count Let me first let me first clear let me first clear up what you said there. Sure. Go ahead. Are you aware that contractually when an officer retires, he's allowed to burn, so to speak? Of course I am. Oh, so you're aware of that. So then the
fact is we can't replace that officer till he burns said time and he comes off the payroll. That's usually how it's been operating. Correct. It's been operating like that for well over two two decades, right? So So your numbers are off. Your numbers are not correct. I I'll I'll go with what the PBA letter
states and that would be the facts. The numbers aren't the facts. You could dispute that, but my point is I will dispute it. Will the numbers be backfilled and when will this happen? It's in the budget. The mayor told you it's in the budget. Will they go through the academy in September? I I think we just went through this, right? So, you
asked are the folks going to be back? Who do you want to go through the academy? You want to be specific? Who do I want? I want 17 officers to be hired. Okay. Again, there are tw We're down 12 right now. If you read that letter and I just said we are going to be at full employment
in this budget. Full employment, Mr. Lamb, would not be I've answered your question by means by full employment. Full employment would not be the boots on the ground, class one officers. Class two would not be the CSOS, fulltime sworn offic. He didn't say that. I I
know where we're going. How long is the academy class typically? Do you uh normally 26 weeks? Is it? So it takes time to fill those spots up, right? So if you're not hiring now, they won't be. Well, you can hire like I told you because the men are burning time. The men that are retiring. What about the all the vacancies that are available before these people are burning time?
That's not the case. You guys can spend We all know there's not enough officers on the road. That's what it comes down to. There's actually there's plenty of officers that actually the mayor can talk about the new schedule. Actually, let three minutes and then I'll jump in. If you want I have nothing else to say. Oh, you don't mind then? So, so right
now there are 49 officers scheduled every single day with the new schedule with the prior schedule, the original schedule, the one where folks work 3 days a week this week and four days a week next week. Excuse me. Your time is up. I'm speaking under that schedule cuz
he has time to speak and answer. Your time is over and you ask a question. See, it's just this is respectfully if you have a question and you want it answered. But if this is just a show for you each week, Mr. on a show. It is. Are you listening to the public? All right, we're not getting
we're not getting anywhere. Thank you for your comments. Have a good night. Next question, please. So, I I'll just repeat. Fantastic. So, under the new schedule where officers work four days a week for 10 hours a day. We have 49 officers scheduled on the road every single day.
At full employment, with the old schedule, the maximum you could ever have on in a day was 48. So at this point in time, we have more officers on the road than we could have ever had on the prior schedule. That being said, it is the intention of the administration to go to full employment, which would be
96 patrolmen, which would then be the most robust where we would have about 54 55 guys on each day. That's the plan. We will be hiring. Those officers are in this budget. Thank you very much. Good. Julie, how are you? Nice to see you. Uh
Julie Adam69 Cedar Grove Road, Tom's River. Um I just my only comment is I'm puzzled also as as uh Dennis indicated because this is a resolution number 10 and we have not been allowed to get up for any resolutions for many months when
the the rules were changed. I think it was last year when this new administration took over. So um I'm puzzled myself. So that's the only thing I'm saying. Thank you, Julie. Anybody else? Matt, can we get Mr. Pascarella to just jump in as to why this is a
resolution? Cuz um Sure. Statutoily, the public has to have an opportunity to comment on the budget. That's what this is. It's really time to remark on the budget, not other items. Other items would be during the general public. Thank you, Mr. Pascal. Anybody else have any comments about the budget? I would I
would just like to jump in about the budget if there is if there are no other comments. This budget is um a fantastic budget. We've reduced spending by 9% in Tom's River. 9% $11 million. That's how much we've reduced spending without
reducing services for residents. It is is an accomplishment that this council and myself have. This has never been done anywhere else in the state of New Jersey. When was the last time you heard of a government entity reducing spending n by 9%. It just doesn't happen. I'm
proud of this budget and I'm thankful to the members of council who support it. Um, that's all I have. Thank you. All right. See no other public comment. Motion to close. Public comment, please. Motion to close. Second. All in favor? I I
[Music] Item number 11 is a resolution of the township council of the township of Tom's River, Ocean County, New Jersey to amend 2025 introduced budget in accordance with the provision of NJSA4A 4-9. Motion made. Second. Motion was
made by Councilwoman Otul, seconded by Council Vice President Coleman. Councilwoman Oul, yes. Council Vice President Coleman, yes. Council President Lamb, yes. Councilman Burn, yes. Councilman Sakosi, yes. Councilman
Iverson, yes. Councilman Quinn, yes. Item number 12 is a resolution at the township council of the township of Toms River, Ocean County, New Jersey, adopting the calendar year 2025 municipal budget. Wer made second. Motion was made by Councilwoman
Oul, seconded by Council Vice President Coleman. Councilwoman Oul, yes. Council Vice President Coleman, yes. Council President Lamb, yes. Councilman Burn, yes. Councilman Sakosi abstain. Councilman Iverson.
Councilman Quinn. Uh I would just like to say that uh you know I I did have a conversation thankfully with Dorothy Gallagher. I believe it was John Solanis and the mayor today. They did try and answer a bunch of the questions that I had on this budget. Uh yes, saving 9% on
a budget the size of ours is quite an accomplishment. Uh but what I wasn't able to figure out in the uh time I had allotted and I apologize because half of that was because I was uh on vacation for the last couple of weeks. Um what I'm not able to figure out is what are we losing in that 9%. Aside from aside
from the employees that we lost, what services are we are we losing? I can easily go home and tell my wife that I'm gonna save a bunch of money on her household bills by shutting off the lights, but that's only going to last until about eight o'clock at night when she gets mad at me. Um, so we lost
something in here, and I wish I had a better understanding of what it is we lost for this, so I'm going to have to say no. Item number 13 on the agenda is an ordinance of the township council of the township of Tom's River, Ocean County, New Jersey, amending and supplementing section 477-79,
schedule 21, speed limits of chapter 477 vehicles and traffic of the township code, reducing the speed limit along Route 527 Whitesville Road between State Highway 70 and Brentwood Avenue from 50 to 40 mph and reducing speed limit between Brentwood Avenue to the Dover
Township Jackson Township line from 50 to 40 mph to pro to promote enhanced vehicular and pedestrian safety. This is a first reading. Motion made. I'll second that. Motion was made by Councilwoman Otul, seconded by Council Vice President Coleman. Councilwoman
Otul, yes. Council Vice President Coleman, yes. Councilman Council President Lamb, yes. Councilman Burn, yes. Councilman Sakosi, yes. Councilman Nverson, yes. Councilman Quinn, yes. And thank you. Item number 14 is an ordinance of the
township council of the township of Toms River, Ocean County, state of New Jersey, amending and supplementing chapter 50, Department of Law Enforcement uh police officers to establish new guidelines for the hiring of police officers. This is also a first reading. Motion made. Second. Motion was
made by Councilwoman Otul, seconded by Council Vice President Coleman. Councilwoman Oul, yes. Council Vice President Coleman, yes. Council President Lamb, yes. Councilman Burn. Yes. Councilman Sakosi, I'm not sure what the new guidelines
are. Is it uh degrees? Are you lowering the standards or are you raising the standards? Uh how's it going to affect the uh our applications into uh our great police department here? Dave, this
is the first week. I know that. Can I just say one thing to you? Mhm. We have time to find that out before we have the final reading. But I want the people to understand my my thinking, please. I understand. Okay. Yep. So, [Music]
just going to abstain on this. Okay. Thank you. Would you like would you like a brief explanation? No, that's okay. Councilman Nverson, it's my understanding that the standards have been dropping quite a bit. So, I'm going to vote no. That's why I'm saying before
before we vote. You sure? We didn't ask for your opinion. Well, I mean, it's a first reading. Well, you haven't seen it, right? It's a first reading. When was the last time you I would I before we before we jump back and forth, I would instruct all council members, especially you know, David, I think we talked in the past, just to come down here a little more and spend time and
speak with the Mr. Salange administration about it. And, you know, that's all and that's a great tie. So, moving on. Go ahead. Councilman Quinnless. Uh, I did check the ordinance really quick. It does lower the standards quite a bit. It also it also
opens us us up to uh police officers being political appointments rather than uh to protect and serve our public as qualified police officers. We want the best of the best. Even if our even if our labor pool for police officers has gotten smaller over the last couple of years with the uh the state of the uh
the the the country these days, we still want the best of the best. And if we lower these standards, we're not going to get the best. Well, then I'm going to ask I'm going to call on the administration again to offer because that sounds like propaganda. Mayor, would you offer the explanation of I'm not running for anything. Well, no, I want either am I. Go ahead, Mayor. Right. So, uh what this does is it makes
it easier to hire first of all veterans if you put in time in the military. Uh two years in the military, you you can you can apply and uh you know, take the test and go to the academy. That's very important to me. I I think it it makes
it a lot easier for veterans and frankly I think experience overseas uh you know in a war zone certainly does qualify you after two years of that to take the test uh and be a police officer in Tom's River. So that's the number one thing it does. And the second thing it does is it
allows us to hire police officers that are already officers uh and and to and to move them into our department without having to go through all of the um steps that that that a new officer who's not certified has to go to through. And I
believe earlier on it may have been Jim had said something to the effect of uh how long it takes 6 8 months or whatever it does. It takes a long time to hire a new cop. But if someone's already an officer in another town and maybe they're moving down here or they're
tired of driving back and forth an hour every single day to work, uh they they could just come work here uh with the new ordinance. So it makes it easier for folks who are in the military to come work here, who spent two years in the military, and it makes it easier for folks who are already police officers uh
to to come and work here. And uh just lastly, the last test that was given should have produced a list should have produced a list that would have lasted three years. It produced a list of only 13 individuals. Uh there were a number
of individuals, half there were another 15 people or so that were thrown out off the list, many of whom had much higher scores than the folks who made the list. Uh in fact the guy with the high the highest score the guy with the highest score on the test uh didn't make the
list. So uh I believe it requires another look. Uh we had a recommendation from uh Peter Sund Mr. uh Pascarella that we should re take another look at this hiring process and uh departments across the state are doing something
similar. I know the sheriff's department is looking at this and other departments uh because there the pool of applicants has shrunk uh substantially and this will increase the uh pool. So it's correct. That's all. Thank you. Okay.
Your your vote, Councilman. Uh just to rebut that. It does Can we get your vote? Can we get your vote, please? It does it does lower the standards. Uh yes, recruiting from other police departments is fine, but I still want that same standard maintained that we already have. You don't think it you don't think two years in the military is enough, Jim? And I'm good with the
military aspect. Okay. Well, there you go, Jim. Two years in the military should be enough. Can we get a vote, Jim? Should be enough. It's It should be It is enough. Can we get a vote, please? Councilman, we we let screaming out out there. Stop screaming out. Please sit down. Thank you. There's far more to it
than We need your vote, Councilman, so we can move on. In the military. So, I'm going to say no, and we'll uh dive deeper into this. Please do some homework with me on this. Thank you, Jim. Good. 15. Item number 15. Can I say one thing? No, we're moving on. Sorry. Item number 15 is an ordinance of the
township council of the township of Tom's River, Ocean County, state of New Jersey, supplementing chapter 388, peace and good order with article six, establishment of rules and regulations for municipal parking garage, vehicle access, roads, and concourses of the municipal complex located at 33
Washington Street. This is also a first reading. Motion made. Second. Motion was made by Councilwoman Oul, seconded by Council President Lamb. Councilwoman Otul, yes. Council President Lamb, yes. Council Vice President Coleman, yes. Councilman Burn, yes. Councilman
Sakoszi, absolutely not. Councilman Nverson, no. He's got Councilman Quinnisk. Uh, no. There's a lot going on with this one. I think you need a better understanding. Shame on the three of you. Shame on you all. Shame on you. Shame on you. Go ahead. Finish. Have your vote, please. I think you need a
better understanding of the intent of this. Shame on you. All right. Please, let's not keep interrupting, please. Thank you. Better understanding of the intent of this ordinance. Uh although I do appreciate that we get some uh some control back over our parking garage. Uh the ordinance is uh maybe a little bit
hasty. I don't know that the structure itself qualifies under the ordinance that they used and I think it should have a provision at the very least that allowed for community service rather than penalty or Well, you got time to look into that. Yeah, that's why get it out there again. I want people to be able to do homework. Thanks, Jim. Great.
Moving on to the consent agenda. All matters listed under the item consent agenda will be enacted by one motion in the form listed below. There will be no separate discussion of these items. If discussion is desired on any item, that item will be considered separately. Thank you, Mr. Hel. Pursuant to code, members of point of order, please point
of order, please. Excuse me. I'm speaking. No, there's no point of order. Sit down. You're violating the law of the of your section. I'm trying to read something here. Excuse me. Have a seat. I I'll call for you in a minute. May finish. Pursuant to code, members of
council can ask for a brief discussion or roll call with specific items. This discussion shall remain relevant to the agenda and being discussed. The discussion period can be suspended at discretion of the council president. In addition, I ask all council members, any administration, if they wish to speak or ask a question throughout the business
portion of this part of the meeting, to first ask to be recognized by council president before they speak. Prior to discussion, roll call of any requested separate items. any balance of the remaining consent agenda items will be enacted in one separate motion. Now, does any member of council want to roll call on a separate item or have a brief discussion? Yes, please. Good. Good.
Dave, what do you got? O QR and S. ORS. Thank you. Anybody else? You're welcome. Anyone do a balance minus OQ. We're going to take a vote on the balance. I'm sorry.
Uh on the balance of the consent agenda minus O QR and S. So move. Second. Motion was made by Council Vice President Coleman. Seconded by Council President Lamb. Council Vice President Coleman. Yes. Council President Lamb.
Yes. Councilwoman Otul, yes. Councilman Burn, yes. Councilman Sakosi, yes. Councilman Nverson, yes. Councilman Quinn, yes. Item number Oh, go ahead, David. Okay. Um,
I see this is all from the the same law firm and um could you or someone else explain to me, Leon, the administration? Yeah, no problem. We, as you know, we we hired uh Coughlin Renown
uh to to represent us in the Meridia case and in the affordable housing um uh case. And uh this is their approvals as to why we're voting on approval. Again, Peter, would you like to appine? This
was actually not put on uh when we did the big resolution for all the professional appointments. Uh it was brought to uh my attention by uh our uh CFO that uh they required contracts um and they were already representing us.
Right. Correct. So they were already that that's it. They were they were already representing us uh from the prior pool and then for some reason uh they weren't in uh in in the responses and they they were already representing us in two big cases. Uh so uh that's
what this is a continuation of that. They're also here uh to discuss the fair share plan. If you'd like, I could talk a little bit about that, Dave, since it's it's OQ. Yeah. OQRS. So, QRS, I guess, is the appointments, correct,
Peter? Correct. So, if you'd like me to speak on O, I can speak on O briefly as well. Uh we submitted a plan I think we discussed this already at a prior meeting uh to meet the state's affordable housing demands which was for 670 units uh of those 670 units. Our
planner along with legal counsel we've managed to negotiate uh deed extensions on 470 existing units uh which would then lock those units in for another 20 to 30 years uh as affordable. So, it's a way to provide
the state's affordable housing number without building thousands of additional apartments because normally uh affordable units are built in an 80 to 20 ratio. So, you have to destroy hundreds of acres, right, and build five times the number. So, a number like 670
from the state of New Jersey, uh if it were built in that traditional way, 8020, uh Tom's River would would see another huge building boom of about 3,000 units. uh the deer would have no place left uh to live. Uh you we've already seen what the prior round of
affordable housing did to Route 9 and to so many ecosystems around the town and wild spaces. We don't want to see that happen again. Uh so we negotiated it uh and it won't cost taxpayers any money because we have this affordable housing trust fund and when developers big build
these big projects they pay a tax into that fund and that fund I believe had $9 million in it that never got spent under the prior administration. Uh so there was a lot of money to negotiate with and we've secured now $470
units. uh the other 200 units I believe uh we we we believe we have a credit uh because the prior administration or the prior round the town the township not the prior administration the killer hair administration agreed to do 1258 units
uh which is why we have like 6,000 new apartments around town uh but at that time um I um anyway I lost my train of thought oh we weren't allowed. Uh there's been a case that says you don't have to build more than
1,000 units in one round, a township our size. Uh so that would mean we'd have a credit of about 278 units. And we're taking that credit as a 200 unit credit on top of the 470 and we will meet the state's affordable housing obligation without any without committing to any
new developments. So it's a quite an accomplishment. Uh so I would definitely recommend uh rehiring Coughlin and Renown as our representation, our legal representation for affordable housing council and uh the folks over at Almo uh
for our plan did all the planning and they were fantastic. Um I'm very happy. I'm very pleased at uh at this. So that's it. Motion, please. Motion to approve. Second. Motion to approve resolution O is made by council
vice president Coleman. Seconded by Councilwoman Oul. Council Vice President Coleman. Yes. I don't have the floor. Sit down. No, there's no point of order. Sit down. No, you're not. Sit down. I'm I'm in in the middle of a vote. Please sit down. Violating the law of the fair housing. Have a sit a seat. Councilwoman Oul.
Yes. Council President Lamb. Yes. Council member Baron. Yes. Councilman Sakosi. I'm looking at the build list from We're not there yet. I I know. but for this uh
these lawyers that are handling all this. So I I don't understand it. I'm not ashamed to say it, but I'm going to abstain. David, I have a question for you, too, while we're at it for the next Q or an S cuz you pulled them out. Would you prefer a roll call or would you want
an explanation on each one of them? Both. You want an explanation on all three? Yes. Even though you just got one, a thorough one? Yes. Okay. Q please. Mayor, we have to finish the vote. Council sorry. Councilman Iverson. No. Councilman Quinn. No. Q. Mayor,
please for David. I already explained it on. Thank you. Roll call, please. Motion. Roll. Motion. Second. Motion was motion on resolution Q was made by Councilwoman Oul and seconded by Council Vice President Coleman. Councilwoman Otul. Yes. Council Vice President
Coleman. Yes. Council President Lamb. Yes. Councilman Burn. Yes. Councilman Sakosi. Abstain. Councilman Nverson. No. Councilman Quinn. Until this gentleman gets a chance to explain the position, I think we should refrain from voting on these things. And uh let let's get his
argument before we put get ourselves in legal trouble. Lawyer. I don't know who he is, but he looks like you don't have you don't have that position. Okay. Moving on. Your vote, Councilman. Council vote again. I don't think we can vote on it until we get those. Is that abstain? Abstain. Abstain. Moving on to
R. Mayor, would you like to uh opine for R for David? It's a no. I think I think R and Yeah, all three are the same. I think I explained that they're representing us on multiple on multiple uh motions. Motion or offered. Second. Motion was
made on resolution R by Councilwoman Oul, seconded by Council Vice President Coleman. Councilwoman Otul, yes. Council Vice President Coleman, yes. Council President Lamb, yes. Councilman Burn. Yes. Councilman Sakosi. I don't know if this is a signed sealed
uh agreement, the 470 the the number that you came up with and with the credit. So I I have to abstain on this also. Okay. Thank you. Dave, you vote on Can I Can I just jump in here? No, no, no. We're going to No, we're going to finish the vote first. I'll let you answer. Go ahead. Finish roll.
Councilman Iverson. No. Councilman Quinnisk. No. Before we move on to ask Go ahead, Mayor. What would you like to add? I was just going to say that um this is really just our vote to submit this to the state and um if there were folks that were representing clients,
right? They could serve the town in the traditional fashion that that lawyers would do uh not come up for a point of order or they can wait for public comment which is the what the rules of the meeting are. Correct. Correct. Thank you. Okay. Motion S, please. Motion.
Motion on resolution S was uh council vice president Coleman second. Seconded by councilwoman Oul. Council vice president Coleman yes. Councilwoman Otul. Yes. Council president Lamb. Yes. Councilman Burn. Yes. Councilman Sakosi. Abstain. Councilman Iverson. No.
Councilman Quinn. No. Thank you. Mr. Hansel. Reports please. Moving on to the reports. Move the reports. I'll second vote to move the reports was made by Council President Lamb, seconded by C uh
Council Vice President Coleman, I believe. Yes. Uh Council Vice President Council President Lamb, yes. Council Vice President Coleman, yes. Uh Councilwoman Otul, yes. Councilman Burn, yes. Councilman Sakosi, yes. Councilman Iverson, yes. Councilman
Quinn, yes. Thank you. Moving on to the bills. Move the bills. Second. Motion was made to approve the bills by uh Council President Lamb. Seconded by Council Vice President Coleman. Council
President Lamb. Please don't call out. Go ahead. You're I don't know where I am. Sorry, I was interrupted. Sorry, we're on the bills. There's a motion and a second. Thank you. Yes, please. Thank you, Council Vice President Coleman. Yes. Except for the bills by for
preferred behavioral health. The rest I I approve. Yes. Councilwoman Otul. Yes. Councilman Burn. Yes. Councilman Sakosi. Uh yes, except for four bills. The um the
mayor's letter out of uh Lakewood, uh Shore Media Marketing, Donald Burke, Esquire, and the legal office. Ray own Coughlin and Manello. No, just don't
want to pay the people you don't like. Um, can we before public comment I want to finish I want to finish this first. Let me finish this first, please. Sure. I want to get the Affordable Housing Council up to speed. I'll allow you to do that, but let me just get the vote through. Thank you. Sorry, mayor. Go ahead, Councilman Iverson. Yeah. I'd
also like to uh not pay shore for paying him to attack us. Sure. Media. It's that simple. Yeah. Thank you. Stop calling out. Also, the mayor's letter, his propaganda letter, I don't
think we should be paying for that either. You okay? Um, the other bills. Yes. Councilman Quinn, uh, I have to abstain from Board of Fire Commissioners, District 2, Remington Vernick Engineering, Tech Elevator, Yzian
Associates. I also don't want to pay the bill for Burke uh the attorney uh Shore Media uh the mayor's newsletter and and um uh Ray Ray I'm sorry and Maulan whatever they are. I do want to say that in the previous administration the mayor
always put his letter out I think with the tax or sewer bill or something like that to help save money. So okay um is that it was that it that is it. Okay. I will now call on the public for comment. This public session period will be for a total of 60 minutes. Well, each speaker will be given three minutes
and I'll get to you before I Each speaker will be given three minutes must yield the floor to the next speaker upon completion of their statement or at the 3minut mark whichever comes first. Please form a line in the center aisle when called upon. State your full name and address for the record. There will be no extra time granted for any reason. No speaker may yield their time to
another. Speakers and members of the audience at all times shall maintain proper decorum and shall maintain their comments in civil manner. Personal attacks, subscenity, slanders and molding remarks shall not be tolerated and may automatically seed may automatically seed your time. All questions, comments from the public
shall be directed at the council president who is under no obligation to answer impromptu questions or addressing remark. I ask the audience to remain completely quiet. Any disruption shall be treated as interference of a public meeting and I will stop the speaker and ask the disrupting member of the audience to leave. Upon conclusion of
this portion of the meeting, I may call upon other council members, department heads, the mayor or the administration respond on topics presented during this session. Mr. Hzel, stand by on sending clock for 60 minutes and let the mayor opine on the last thing he want to discuss. Mayor, you want to discuss real
quick before I start? I just wanted to get Chris Angarrow up here since there was some gentleman who presented himself as an attorney saying that what we were doing is illegal. I thought I'd get our affordable housing council up here to speak about uh what what we were doing and legality thereof. Very good. We'll
hold off public comment until Mr. Zenaro speaks. Go ahead. That's fair. Dennis, let's throw your arms up and discuss. That's fair. Yeah. Have a seat. Council president. We did. Not running. Yes. Stop. Do you hear me? Can you hear me?
You hear me? I thought you heard me. Yeah. We'll be with you in a minute, Dennis. Go ahead. Good afternoon, uh, council. Oh, good evening, council. Good to be back here again. Just to give you a little bit of a breakdown as to the
plan, the resolution that's before you. Let me just step back just a little bit and I'm going to not going to test uh test time too much. I'll try to keep this efficient. In 1970s, Supreme Court determined that every municipality needs to provide its fair
share of the regional need for low and moderate income housing. In throughout the subsequent decades, an executive branch in in Trenton reviewed plans and determined if they were sufficient to meet the
constit that constitutional obligation. In 2016, the courts, the Supreme Court issued a decision determining that they would review housing element and fair share plans. The third round of housing obligations
ran until today, June 30th, 2025. Last year the legislature passed a bill recognizing decades of Supreme Court decisions um and identifying that there would be a opportunity for municipalities to participate in a
mediation forum to do two things primarily to do two things. determine what the obligation of a municipality is for the next housing cycle, which is the fourth round and also to provide an opportunity for those municipalities that wanted to participate to also
submit their housing element in fair share plan. And what that does is it provides the zoning mechanisms. It shows what zoning mechanisms can be provided in order to meet that obligation. The bill did something that has it continued and emphasized the importance of
utilizing deed control, the extension of deed control. So these are existing units in the m in a municipality that are currently restricted for low and moderate income housing. If there are not is if there's not an
extension of that deed control, those units become market rate and they are likely forever lost to a market rate uh to to the uh to the free market. Municipalities had an opportunity and could receive credits, bonus credits, if
they utilized monies in their affordable housing trust fund, which need to be spent or they're lost. Um the bill allowed for the extension of those credits. Um it's a very complicated it's a very complicated system but um what the township did was it utilized that
mechanism to extend to meet uh the fourth round number. Uh the mayor referenced uh litigation that's currently ongoing as to the what's referred to and has long been in statute called the 1,00 unit cap which caps a municipality's obligation
for a housing round. As the mayor identified, uh we are currently in litigation as to whether the township can apply a cap toward its third round obligation. This had been uh this ability to litigate that issue had been preserved and uh the township is
pursuing it. Uh so as the mayor identified there are uh there is a credit that we are pursuing to um that will be coupled with these extensions and other mechanisms to achieve the
fourth round number. Once this uh plan is reviewed by the non-mediation forum, you'll have a plan that has the a certification compliance that says you are in compliance with your housing obligations and as a result you are
protected from builder remedy lawsuits until 2035. Are you aware of of what this gentleman that arrived here was potentially looking to talk about? What I what I can say is this. Um, I I don't know, but I can speak to the process so
you understand it. The bill provided those municipalities that came forward and and chose to participate as of January 31st, 2025, which the township did, an opportunity for objectors, developers, nonprofits to submit
challenges during a two-month challenge period that begins tomorrow. So we will certainly as your affordable housing council keep a very um close eye on the docket and see if any developers file challenges including the individual who
came forward but so he could have been representing a developer that wanted to build lots of houses here apartments. Certainly it certainly didn't look like it he was with you know some young guy. Thank you very much Mr. Thank you for your commentary. I think we're going to begin public comment Mr. Hansel please.
Thank you very much Mr. Zinggero. Thank you for the explanation. Thank you very much. Very informative. Stand by. I'm going to set the clock for you. Make sure it's all done correctly. Especially for you. Yeah, especially for me. Go ahead, Mr. Hansel. 60 minutes, please. And go ahead, Mr. Dennis Galanthy. 11:49
Cherokee Court. I don't think that was fair allowing that gentleman to speak. He should have been called up on your consent agenda when you had questions about O. He should have been bought up as a professional then and there. Okay. Anyway, that's my opinion.
Don't take up my time of clapping, please. My other thing is I came here to criticize you. I I came here to criticize you because of number one, I want to know if we have an ethics committee in this town because I don't think we do. Okay? It's in your code.
You don't have one. There's supposed to be different representatives from the council along with citizens. That's supposed to be done. You violate your procedure of the way you handle your meeting, your decorum constantly. Now to do that because you're doing that
and other in my opinion do I have to file an ethics complaint against you or who oversees you? Go ahead. Okay. Oh, so who oversees you? Answer my question. Who oversees you? God. Okay. My thing 0% tax a completely
wonderful thing. I appreciate that. A lot of people appreciate that. But all I did I studied the budget up and down and all over. great way to mega roll and get around different things by resolution instead of ordinance. Okay, animals are dying. Pets are dying on the street. They're being euthanized by the county
because there's no place for them to go. Crime is up. We have less police officers. EMS people are having physical mental, you know, medical problems in Silverton. Can't get attention right away. Okay. So, it's a wonderful thing,
the 0% tax increase, but no, no, no. The amount of services you've cut, ridiculous. Thank you very much. Carlos Amisar Warham, congratulations to some of you guys that won. I still want to know who's the guy that won in my district. I haven't met
him. Um, you know, well, I'm looking for the other guy, you know. If anybody knows, pointing my way. Two, this gentleman told me to go grow tomatoes. Uh-uh. No, no, no, no, no. I am directing at you. So, I Let me speak.
Please put that minute back. Oh, Oh, I know. Just like you. You know, I'm a huggle. So, I'm going to speak my the way that I speak, the street way. You know, it's time we have we going to have a change. I try to tell you to please work with everybody in here so we
can have a salad team, but instead everybody in here decided to do their own little crap. Sir, I like you, but it's time we step forward. Direct comments for me. I am direct at the whole board, sir. Let him speak. I I want my time back. No calling out back
there. No calling out. Thank you. Thank you. No, I said direct comments this way. Thank you. Go ahead. He's not losing. You're not losing time. What you mean? I'm looking at the time that I lost. Finish your comments. You're screaming in a microphone. Finish finish your presentation. You got away with that. Not no cameras the other day, but
I I seen everything else. So, trust me. Let's go back to it. So, the homeless, the only reason you guys got to rid them out of them there cuz you guys couldn't stand them no more. But you guys should have done something way before the whole community went at you guys cuz you guys
had those $250,000 sitting somewhere over here. Maybe you know I know where it's going because I ain't following you guys. It's time we move forward. Stop playing around. You guys lost. So now what's going to happen when the new
committee comes in? We cannot blame the the previous administration cuz I still don't see the photo right there. So it's like you guys want to act like you guys better than everybody else. You guys don't want to see me come on here like this. But guess what? I am a lot better than you guys
cuz you guys ain't doing the right way. No cursing. There's no obscenities. Disrespectful like you are. And that's part of my vocabulary since I'm a special ed. Remember you said, my mama said it, too. So, I'm not going to warn you again. No obscenities. Thank you.
So, once again, you guys doing nothing but arguing between each other, not doing anything for our community. You just keep getting in trouble. You need to start doing your job. You got to quit. Cuz if you want to say to me that I should go to marriage, guess what? You
should go and learn marriage and learn how to speak to people. I'm screaming, please. Oh, screaming. For some reason, I'm screaming. Amen. Next time. Don't take a week to go give pizza to the bums. But look to the homeless. Instead, go your community. Thank you. Thank you.
It's about time. Get off that seat. Cuz I come here every day and I still don't see you. So, how the hell are you getting paid? Yeah, I'm not. It's amplified sound. I'm going to get paid. I want a job just like yours. Thank you. Have a seat.
All right, have a seat. I'm sorry, but next speaker. Next speaker. Thank you. Next speaker. I must scream. Can't scream out. It's rules. Is that threat? No, that's free strike. Remember what I said to you? I just
watching and what happened? Be quiet. Next speaker, please. Daddy, be be quiet. Speaker, please. Can I start? How are you? Go ahead. Uh, my name is Ted Foley. I'm an arch deacon in the Episcopal Dasis of New
Jersey and and a member of Christ Episcopal Church. So, I think we can all agree on one thing. Uh, last time I was here speaking, uh, it was a disaster. It turned into chaos. And the most
unfortunate thing was that it was the chaos that was reported on in the news media. It wasn't the substance of the meeting because the most important thing that happened at that meeting last time was a guy that came up a few minutes after you went he came back from recess.
His name is Mike and he told a story and the story that he told was how five years ago he was homeless, he was severely addicted and his life was just spiraling down.
And what what he said was then I went through went to a meeting at Christ Episcopal Church and using his words he said Christ Church saved my life. Christ Church saved my life. My wife was
wearing one of these t-shirts that you see out here, Christ Church t-shirts, and a few weeks ago, somebody came up to her and said, told a similar story as Mike and said, "Christ Church saved my life." That's the important story, not
the chaos. That's the important story. And you know, you know, you're talking about homelessness. Christ Church has for two years now, Christ Church has had a housing resource center and with the expertise of a
nonprofit and the county, we've placed over 130 households. We lifted them up out of despair and put them into permanent and stable housing. Christ Church saves lives. That's the important story.
One month from now, you're going to have the opportunities to save lives, too. Okay, you'll have the opportunity to save lives, too. Vote for Christ Church and save lives. Thank you. All right,
I'll just do it this way. My name is Mary Maligeri, 868 Crest Ridge Drive, Tom's River. I have actually two comments about those um first reading on the resolution. Do I get like six minutes or still only
three? Three minutes. Three. Okay. First one has to do with the um it's number 14 about the uh the new hires and the police. And I just wanted to know what specifically I heard the mayor say
something about um veterans I guess being bumped up to a top of a list or something. Um the other thing was talking about it making it easier for police officers to move from one township to the next. My question is who
is monitoring and checking the background on those police officers moving from one municipality to the next? The police department. And what method do they use? They would use background. Someone would have to get a
mental health screening and they'd have to go to the doctor. They'd have to pass an interview. And do they do a background thoroughly on their previous employment? What cases have been brought perhaps
against them in that other municipality? Yes, the police department does that. And who monitors their the police department background checks? Well, the administration certainly doesn't monitor. As far as the veterans are concerned in the past, the veteran,
you know, only counted as some. You do two years of military experience and you'd still have to go do two years of college. which I think if you go over to a foreign country and you uh are a soldier in your opinion in my opinion yes that's why you wanted that's why you
my opinion miss Malagerie in my opinion yes your opinion right and in the opinion of the council who passed the ordinance who were elected by the people on the first reading okay here's my next question I don't know how much time I have left but it has to do with the rules on the parking garage what are the
new rules uh the new rules Peter, would you like to address the rules or shall I? Uh, yeah, I could address it. And this ordinance will be available. Before you do, I just would like to mention something that I meant to jump in before as far as the parking garage. We've had overdoses,
car thefts, drug deals, and then recently what occurred where uh dozens of people took up residence. Uh people are going to be permitted on a limited basis, right? So you have you have full public access to certain public spaces
and restricted public access. For example, town hall, you could come to town hall all between 8 and 4, but if you come here and you throw a brick through the window and you come into my office and you sit there or whatever, you're breaking and entering if it's after 4:00, right? So we're going to have some rules regarding that. You have
to come you have to you excuse me to and from to and from Thank you. to and from the parking garage, to and from paying for parking. But you can't just hang out in the parking lot. Thank you. Next speaker. Thank you. Next speaker. I'm just waiting for the answer. Yeah, you
got the question. You got the answer. Yeah. You know, you are very rude. I have to hold three minutes. I am so glad. I know. That's okay. Three minutes. Stickler for the rules. Next speaker. Yeah. Next speaker. That's fine. Thank [Music]
My name is Michael Rudo, the real leader that brought these guys out of here. You know, all I wanted them is to be pleased
and all I wanted was them to stay healthy. People are dying. People are sick, addicted, mental health cases. You know, did everyone just go to sleep at night and think, "Hey, this big
house. I'm blessed to be in this big house." When I was a kid, I was blessed to have what I had when I became uh an adult.
Yes, I made mistakes in my time. I'm human. You know, we sit here every day and we question ourselves on a daily basis. But the fact of the matter is there's
always fighting amongst everyone and no one really understands or has no resolution on nothing. I came in walking in here and they were
bickering. And by the way, earlier I want to apologize, Paul. That's a disagreement between me and him. Keep that off the record. That's between me and him. Um, also
on the other line, you know, we got to come to a solution, not just a band-aid. You know, we we talk about we have affordable housing, right? And I was listening to these
numbers and they're not adding up. So, what are we doing with the other 150 people that are still, you know, in hotels or whatever. It's a process elimination. You get them temporary housing until you get them to a stable environment. It's common sense. I mean,
it's self-explanatory, really. and no no media, no politics, no nothing. They're human. So when you go home, think about something.
Are you here for change? Are you here to fight? But here, I'm the one that found the solution to that problem. No one else. I just see you there. Not one time.
Don't call out for the audience. Please. Next speaker, please. [Applause] Don't call out again. Don't call out. Don't call out again. Please. You do. Hi, my name is Paulie Moore. I live at
191 Wedgewood Drive in Tom's River. I have a proposed park concept that I'd like to pass out to the council and to the mayor. May I do that? Go to the clerk. Mr. Anel, who? Right here. Thank
you. Thank you. Can you pass that out now? Thank you. My husband discovered at the last council meeting
that there is a need for another park. And we found a spot that we think would be just dandy without taking any other properties. And it's actually a park
already that has a lot of space. It also is right on the river, so it has river access. And we, my husband, set out a plan. And if you'll pass one
to the mayor, please. Thank you. We think that that would be a lovely place for a park. It will include everything that was originally proposed for what is needed with included the the
skate park and the soccer fields, parking, even access to the water so that they could have a tiki bar which I think was one of the ideas. Um anyway, that's just that's all I have
to say. The I hope you will take it and thank you. Take a take a look. Consider it. It's only It's just about Oh, I'm going to say it's less than a mile from the center of town, which means that it is It's considered Brown's Preserve.
It's right across from Walgreens. Thank you. It's a big open area there. It's still I know there's some walking paths in there. There would still be room for walking around um enjoying nature and the trees and everything.
but also plenty of space for the other proposed concepts for a park. Thank you. Thank you. Great idea. Uh Julie, you might want to bring that down a little bit. There you go. Uh Julie Adam, 69 Cedar Grove Road in Tom's
River. Um, first off, I just want to comment about the um just the disrespectful and just egregious behavior of this administration when the temperature was 100 near 100 degrees
last week to put the um um the the official notice out telling homeless people that they had to get out of the garage. It's just despic It's just despicable. And I just can't believe
that our town has deteriorated to this level since this administration took over last year. I grew up in this town and I just can't. It's astounding to me how this uh town has been uh it's down
to the bottom. It's down in the rocks right now and something has to change. Um but people doing something like this um to people that they're human beings, they have problems, whether it was
medical uh bankruptcy, mental health. Um there's so many different causes of homelessness, but to earmark them all as alcoholics or drug addicts is doing a disservice to this population. Um, I h I have a um comment about one of the
resolutions with and I see a conflict of interest with naming the CFO as a qualified purchasing agent and I think it's going down a slippery slope. Um, just think it's like a fox guarding the hen house. And just think for a moment
we had the retako Arab embezzlement with millions of dollars. We had the disgrace with the Toms River Little League that did not have adequate safeguards in place. Uh we've had um in the in the county Ocean Ocean Gate had the mayor uh
uh that got into trouble. Other municipal employees across this the state. So, um I think this needs to be looked at in terms of what kind of safeguards u are being put in place when somebody has a dual role like this. As
far as the animal shelter, I want to touch base on that as well. one of the local animal shelters in Tom's River. I spoke to them and they have been averaging about 13 phone calls a day. Uh
which comes out to 390 phone calls a month that they're fielding relating to cats and uh dogs. Um two or three out of that 13 for a day is dogs. The rest are
cats. Um so um getting rid of our animal control and getting our um an getting rid of our animal shelter has been a disaster. Um the other thing I want to comment about is the uh it's been brought up at other meetings. Thank you.
Council President Lamb, I would just like an opportunity to respond regarding the homeless situation. Okay. Like one minute though. Okay. Yeah. I don't think I'm not going to take your time. Go ahead. If you've noticed outside, everyone is is gone. And the reason they're gone is
because after they were dropped off, yes, we did notice people that they had 48 hours to remove truckloads of things that were dropped off here over the course of a a few days. I mean, truckloads and we have the footage of it all being taken in. Uh that was appeared
to me to be a political stunt, but at the end of the day, there were people that were also brought here from other p places who were down on their luck. I reached out to the state of New Jersey Department of Community Affairs, Jacqueline Suarez, who heads that, and uh I I asked her if she had vouchers.
She said yes. She then sent down CSPJ, and within 2 days, all of those dozens of people were placed into housing. Same thing that we did in the camp. And during the election season, there were folks saying that the
people down here were the people from the camp. All the people in the camp, they're living their best life there. They have two years of housing from the state. They have Excuse me. No call. They have I'm calling out. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. Finish his
comments, please. We can't scream out. Well, you can't scream out. The people that were in the camp, you stop screaming out. Please let them let the mayor finish, please. Jeff Wild, it made it's national news. Jeff
Wild negotiated an agreement with the state with uh Mr. Pascarella and I and every single one of those pl people that were in that camp that we are in housing now and now the 24 to 30 people that were dropped off here all got picked up
within a 2 three-day period. Very good. And they're all in housing. Very good. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, mayor. They were on the street before. Thank you. All right. Stop screaming at next. Next speaker, please. So, so speaker, so
what you're saying is is it's such a hostile crowd, it's not worth it. You're right, Mr. Next speaker, please. Thank you. Stop screaming out, please. Roberto Walker, 8th Bayway. Um, mayor, I have a question. I didn't hear your address. I'm sorry. Eth Bayway. Thank you. And your name? Miss? Change the schedule of
the police department? H, you've changed the schedule of the police department. We changed the schedule several months ago. So, it's 40 hours. Yes. A week. Yes. All right. When we have a Halloween parade, who's going to be They would get overtime. They would get overtime.
That's in addition to, right? If you work beyond your 40 hours, you would get overtime. If you work over your 40 hours, when we had the old schedule, there was an overtime. Correct. Yes. There was a Last year there was $1 million in overtime. It we blew up the budget last year on
overtime. 1 million. Where was that overtime? Because they worked three days. It was all throughout the schedule. And the fourth day every other week was saved for either training or Well, it you you you made a statement
and I think you also asked a question. You want to just switch it over to a question again? You want to rephrase that? What's the question? Why did you change the schedule? Because why was there overtime? the the new schedule puts 49 people on
every single day and greatly reduces the need for overtime. So that's why there's a new schedule. I don't think it's too much to ask. We have great officers here. I don't think it's too much to ask. Uh given the to have folks work four days a week, I
don't think it's so much to ask. Had overtime before and now we're going to have overtime again. No. No. the the new schedule uh is so robust that it it will take overtime pretty far down which I'm sure
folks are upset about because we have overtime you get overtime for um when your staffing level falls. I believe it's 10 officers on at a particular time. I think that's the minimum staffing level. So the less likely you are to hit the minimum staffing level,
the less likely you are to have overtime. So right now we have 49 guys on every single day. Under the prior schedule, if you were at maximum employment of 8 of 96 road cops, the most you could have would be 48. Right
now we have 10 guys out to 12. And with 86 officers, we have 49 officers on duty every day. So, it's a much more robust schedule. Uh, it was contractual. It's in their contract. It says that they can
work for 10-hour days. So, we we did that. Wait, we have 49 now. Yes. 49 each day. No, we actually have 150 some odds. We have on on last time. Hm. How many did we have before you changed under the old schedule? Let me you want me to do
the math for you? Under the old schedule, I think the max you could have had with the current staffing level would have been like 41 or 42 guys on a day. So, it's like this huge 20% increase by making folks work. Thank you very much. Thank you. Four days for 10 hours. Thank you. Next speaker, please.
Thank you. Hey, Anthony. How are you? All right. How are you? Good. Anthony Verso, 20 Rico Avenue. Uh I came here last month, came here three months ago. You guys passed an ordinance about repairs on
five-year and newer streets. How are you going to uphold this? How are you going to police it? I don't know what you're Anybody got answer? I don't know what you're referring to. No, you have passed an ordinance back in October. October of this year. October of last year. Okay. What did it say? I
don't I don't know that. What it said was if somebody came in public service, gas company, water company, anybody, and patched the road on a freshly paved road, they that they had to repave the whole road. Curb the curb. That was
recently. I thought that was in October. Oh, it was October, November. No, it wasn't. It was Well, I spoke or whatever. I brought it up in January. Did you have I was told have a question. Yeah. I'm going to I'm getting to it if you stop talking. She asking you asked us to talk. Yeah. No, you you asked me a
question. Basically, land a ship. Uh, I was told had to wait 30 90 days. We're back into six months right now. How are you going to enforce what you did? How is the you is that the question now? How going to enforce the new paving
ordinance or rather who how are you going to get the company, whoever it may be, let them answer to enforce it to pave the road over. You want an answer? Yeah. Okay. So, whenever you open up a road, whether you're a utility company
or a resident, you pull a road opening permit. Mhm. Then once you pull a road opening permit, you have to patch the road. You can't just pave it because it's got to settle for like 90 days. So, our engineering department uh goes through the road opening permits which
state what the rules are right on the road opening permit and then um if it doesn't get paved, we would cite them. Okay. Well, how long? It's 6 months now. What's 6 months? Since they opened up the road. Which road? Rico Avenue. Is there a patch on Rico Avenue? Yes, there
is. S mayor, pull up your meeting last Okay. Well, I brought it up. Well, we'll have the engineer go look at it. That's number one. You're saying it's 6 months since it was opened up and it's not paved yet. January 23rd it was done. Okay. Is this opening on in front of your house? No, it's not. Thank you. I
protect the people on the block. No, we know. We know. You're very very good. Thank you. And another thing you last time I have to address him because he's the one that told me about the 72-hour rule. I read the 72-hour rule. That's
where water in the street, not water in the people's driveways. I am not an engineer. The engineer told me 72our and you don't like the puddle in front of your house. No. No. Hold on a minute. You called me a political activist and I I've been here for years. You're right.
You've gotten up here about a puddle. No, I'm talking about We actually had government people go there and look at your puddle for 3 days and it was dried up before the 3 days. Talk about a puddle. I talked about the water in my driveway. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please.
Please stop speaking out. Ken Gogrin Fellowship Court in Tom's Driver. Um, first I want to thank the voters of Tom River for ending this clown show we've been dealing with for the past year. Second, uh, I know there's been questions, how did this election happen?
Uh, well, I'm going to tell you, um, there's actually a former councilman on here, uh, who I used to have a lot of respect for back in the day who taught me, uh, the quality of a professional worker is to have honor and integrity and respect for your employer. Well, I
think he's forgotten about that and so have you because the residents of Tom's Driver, your employers have been talking down to, violently removed from this from this sacred hall of discussions, threatened, belittled, and horrified as they watched Tom River institutions such as the animal shelter and police department be attacked. We watched as
Tom River became more dangerous with an uptick in crime, including two murders over the past year. We watched as the safe safety of Toms River residents was ripped away as Silverton EMS was taken away, as the police department was gutted, and as our most vulnerable residents were left out in the cold
during a harsh winter. You then do the unthinkable, the most unamerican thing you can possibly do, and you go after a church for pickle ball courts. It's something you hear in third world countries in the dark anal of history,
not in Tom's River. And you did that because they dared follow the teachings of Christ. So, and after our town, as our town has made headline after headline, casting us in a worse and worse light, the people of Tom Dur said enough. And if you want to know who we
really are, look no further than the late Mayor Tom Kellahare. Mayor Tom Kellahare dedicated his life to the people of Tomser to public service. I worked at several charity organizations. Mayor Kellair would show up at some organizations by himself with no
cameras, with no banner, and he would always do a donation, not on behalf of himself, on behalf of the people of Tom's River and the workers of Town Hall. He never took credit for himself. He was humble. He was a devout Christian man. And he the a lot of the efforts he
worked for to benefit our community are being attacked now. So moving, if you want to look and know who we are, look to Tom Kellahare. And I hope that those who come in on this council next look towards his towards his record and what his beliefs were because he would be
rolling over in his grave right now. He is at what we've done. And Mr. Rodri, you are no Tom Kellahare. That's for damn sure. I don't know if uh it's turned back. All right. I'm Lauren Gerbowski. I live at 159 1598 Springfield Drive in Tom's
River. I wanted to talk about the affordable housing resolution that this township came up with. I heard from that the medium household income 85,464 that was in the patch. Anyway, I was
listening to Mand Dandy who won the uh New York City income. No, Zol ran Mandani. He just won the Democratic for New York City income is 60,000.
New York City medium income is 60,000. How is that? I don't I don't think you can get a job in this town for that kind of money. 85,000.
Yeah. So anyway, um Miss that led Let me just finish this says the e the economy is rigged against the working class. People won on an affordable act and this man is wonderful. He's young. Most
Americans feel powerless. There is a huge establish anti-establishment wave of Americans that I love. That's the bottom line is 60 to 80% haven't
seen a real wage increase in 45 years. This bill before the Senate, the big beautiful betrayal. Many people under Medicare coverage will lose. I'll lose my insurance and I have the best
insurance. The city of Newark, my husband was an officer and officers have a horrible job. I did not want my son to be an officer because of post-traumatic stress. They never get to see a psychiatrist.
Anyway, the um the Affordable Care Act is terrible and I hope no one votes it in. Thank you. Bob Tolan, Messenger Street, Tom Zur. First of all, uh the meeting is out of order here. It says elected officials
are supposed to go first. That way the public doesn't have to listen to the BS afterwards. Um as far as Mr. Rodri's just comment he just made about the parade and overtime. It's my thought and I think it's true
that in the previous administration the police didn't get paid overtime because they had owed days and they did it for nothing. So now he's spending more money. Um regarding the band concerts at the library, they've been held here for 60 years. Part of the summer tradition
at Tom's River. Mr. Rodri's no longer supplying any funding for these programs. Yet he can find money for Mayor Den Rodri Presents Fireworks and Concerts where one show will cost almost as much as the entire concert series.
Uh Mayor Rodri has said that the homeless were welcome to apply for town jobs. Um my question is will they be paid $30 an hour like councilman's family members, which is more than a starting policeman makes. Um Mr.
Coleman, at the last meeting, uh, in your speaking time, you berated the audience for their behavior, yet you never once criticized the mayors. Did you just turn a deaf ear to his ranting and screaming when he was criticized or
didn't like questions he was being asked? In case you didn't notice, Mayor Rodri started to cause many of the audience outbursts through his responses and lies that you blamed everyone else. Um, at the at the 15442 mark of the last
council meeting, uh, a gentleman was walking out and gave Mr. Rodri the thumbs down sign. Our classy mayor flipped him the bird. Um, and the last thing, uh, and I wasn't going to say this, but I am. Uh
last year, about a year ago to be exact, as I was walking away, a comment was made to me. How does it feel not to have a job? How does it feel? [Applause]
I'd like to start my time like this. Uh I only have three minutes, so when I'm done talking, you can speak. Sure. Name and address, please. Yeah. My name is Daniel Terrell and I'm from Camden County and I'm here to advocate. I was homeless for five years and addiction for 10. I'm not going to sit here and tell you all of my qualifications
because I'd outqualify you. But what I'm telling you is it's disgraceful that you had homeless veterans stuff taken from that parking garage. World War II vet false. Absolutely false. Rodri, you absolutely false. Absolutely false and
slanderous. Let him finish. You had time to speak. Let him sir, follow the cabinet's orders, sir. I'm from Stop the clock, please. All right. I drove an hour and a half. Just finish. Are you kidding me? Stop talking and I will talk. I'm just I'm trying to get your time back. I don't want you to keep talking cuz I'm trying to get your time
back for you. Relax. Just relax for a minute. I am relaxed. Does he have enough time here? Okay, go ahead. At the end of the day, I was homeless for three. I'm here to help you. From Camden County all the way to Mercer County all the way down to Miami Dade County. So, I'm telling you guys now to see what happened in your cabinet is downright
disrespectful. And the only man that helped was that man over there. I haven't met him once. And he had nothing but good things to say about the Catholic Church. So I'm here to advocate on behalf of the people that cannot speak. Okay. And stop what your little Rodri had. I'm listen I'm listening. No, I know. But your bobblehead. I don't
need you words. I'm being polite because I wasn't even going to speak until your sarcastic remarks quarantined me to come up here and speak and say that I'm from another county and I sit on a council. I've been polite. Nothing council does not behave the way this council does at all. Especially with the rhetoric you're
doing right now, sir. You are an adult. You went to college, I'm assuming. But I have the floor right now. I haven't asked you for a response yet, sir. When I'm ready for a response, I'll ask for one. Thank you. Cuz you're eating my time and now I'm done. My name is Daniel Terrell and I'm in recovery
and I will not stop. Good luck with you. Good luck. Good luck with you. Good. [Applause] My name is Kelly Lewis and I live at 1626 Lena A in Tom Zerver. I
don't get into politics and I really frankly my grandfather always told me politics are liars. So, um, but with this current administration, I am a lifong
a lifong Tom's River resident. My mother went to South. Okay. My grandparents owned a house for 60 years at 949 Raleigh Drive
in Tom's River. We all went to Easttover. We all went to Intermediate East. We all graduated out of high school east. So we are Toms River residents. Two years ago we found ourselves in a homeless situation
and we went down to board of salsa services. We are not drug addicts. We are not mentally ill and we are not criminals. And my mother,
my 68-year-old mother was forced to live in her van in her van while she's 100% disabled and has never driven. It was a parked van because nobody was there to drive her.
She was turned away from board of social services. Not once, not twice, not three times, but four times. Four times before she found Solless at 405 Washington Street.
And there she found a place called the Affordable Housing Alliance. And there within two weeks, two weeks, my mother was off the street with an apartment that she is still in
right now. That isn't a band-aid. That wasn't 90 days in her apartment and then she had to find somewhere else to go. That was a fix to homelessness. Homelessness is not a new problem in
Ocean County. You have had to go down to the board of social services for a hotel room as long as I can remember. Nobody was bust here, sir, to be homeless. Most of the people downtown I went to
school with. You are very I used to go out of state in my adult life and proudly say I was from Tom's River, New Jersey.
I am ashamed. I am ashamed to be from this town. I am ashamed. I am ashamed that you are who took over as our current administration. Thank you. Thank you.
Uh, the timer is starting before I've spoken. That's not true. That's the full meeting time. Can somebody lower this? You take the microphone right out of the stand now. That's it. Thank you.
Hello everybody. Hello everybody. Susan Payo, 1946 Mount Juliano Lane, Tom's River um Ward Two. Um I'm also a polio survivor
and um I'm always fighting for people's rights. I am here today dressed in black to mourn the loss of humanity in Tom's River, New Jersey. America, the land that I love and continue to
fight for. To those of you who claim a religion, etc., and vote and support those town leaders who vote against the needs of the people with disabilities, who are sick, the homeless, the elderly, the veterans, and the immigrants are
nothing but hypocrites. and you will not be forgiven no matter how you rationalize your decisions. I am here to pay witness to your sins and lack of care to human beings in desperate need. You could vote to help humans and
animals, but you have not. Time changes everything, and you cannot stop the pendulum from swinging back against you as you continue your cruel deeds. You were not elected to to be doing the demoralizing, hurtful, ignoring,
slandering, and condemning acts that you are committing from a seat of power and dignity written in our constitution. Shame on you. Your constituents, those who are capable, are constantly demonstrating, pleading, and demanding
equal human rights and equality. But you turn your closed mind and ear to their pleas for justice. I am in favor of the Episcopal Church and all they want to do. More than 20% of our population has a disability. Many of those are
veterans, homeless, and committing suicide. Still, your compassion does not exist. The township website is a disgrace. I spent so much time just trying to find was this meeting actually going to go on tonight and what time.
Basic safety is still missing in Tom's River. When I visited this town in the 60s, there were dirt roads and mosquitoes still the same in many areas today. A house built today in Tom's River may have a sidewalk installed
because it increases the value. Also, sidewalks are vital for pedestrian safety, community connection, and com promoting public health health and economic activity. They provide a
designated path for walking separate from vehicle traffic, minimizing the risk of accidents. I'm also a retired operating room nurse and I have seen lots of accidents. Additionally, sidewalks enhance
community spaces, fostering social interaction and increasing property value. This administration is failing its many residents. Thank you very much. May I finish the sentence? No. Three minutes. Thank you. Do you want to drag me out again? Like you had me dragged out I've never dragged I've never
dragged you out. You had me dragged out. I've never had you. I never had me dragged out. I never did. No. Yes, you did. No, I did not. You had me dragged out. Three minutes. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Shaylen. Okay. Next speaker. Thank you. My name is Haley Anne. I live at 55
Terrace Avenue. Okay. I am the daughter of Helen McGovern, who many of you know as the former longtime dedicated coordinator of the Tom's River Municipal Alliance. For nearly 25 years, she part poured her heart into this township, working alongside previous administrations, our neighbors, our seniors, and our youth. My mom wasn't
just an employee. She was the backbone of substance abuse prevention in our community, a lifeline for so many. She led countless programs, stayed late, answering calls for help, and even lending her last $20 or transporting homeless in her own vehicle to ensure they received what they needed. When she started at the township back in 2000,
there was nothing in place to help the homeless. If someone in need showed up in town hall, the mayor was calling her and was up to her to find a solution. During the 2020 pandemic, the director of the Tom's River Senior Center at that time was planning on shutting down because of COVID. My mom, Helen, was not willing to let that happen. She was able
to team up with a local organization to start a program to feed the vulnerable senior population that were unable to leave their homes and was able to coordinate meal deliveries. Not only did she help to provide meals to those in need, but she was able to give the senior center a way to remain open. Those seniors receiving meal deliveries
was the only socialization they were getting during such a dark time of isolation. I know so many seniors benefited from that program in more ways than one. Yet, despite her selflessness, my mom was overlooked. The township under the previous administration received federal COVID relief money to
be paid out to confidential employees and employees that work during the pandemic. Many township employees receive large payouts that should not under the guidelines of the funding, including the management who wanted to shut down the senior center. My mom was a confidential worker that worked the entirety of the pandemic and the sole
reason they were able to stay open. Yet, she never received a dime. In June of 2022, my mom was diagnosed with cancer. She did everything in her power to be able to work for as long as she could. When she began having debilitating side effects from chemo, she took a medical leave of absence. It was always her plan to return to work. Even from her
hospital bed, she took calls and offered guidance, not because she had to, because that's who she was, a servant to this community through and through. Her desk remained empty because she intended to return. Today marks eight months since my mom has passed. She was still classified an active employee on medical leave when she passed. And yet, my
family has been forced to fight for the benefit she's legally and morally entitled to. The state has made it clear that Tom's River failed to provide essential documentation and worse, failed to notify her that her life insurance would lapse after two years on medical leave. a legal obligation under state law. She was never given the
chance to convert her policy. The policy was uninsurable otherwise. And now in the aftermath of her death, we are left with heartbreak, bureetic silence, and no life insurance to help bury her properly. This is not a clerical error. This is betrayal. Laws were broken. My mom gave her life, her entire life to
this township. Nights, weekends, holidays, crisis after crisis. And when she needed her community most, she was forgotten, ignored, and even as she lay sick. The former administration never checked on her. Yet somehow the former mayor found the time to knock on her door before election day asking for her vote. Now under new leadership, you have
a chance to make right by my mother's legacy to restore faith for her family and importantly to uphold the value she exemplified. I'm not asking for special treatment but for the benefit she earned. Thank you very much for that. If you would like if you would like to see me after this actually I'll talk to you now if you like if you stay after the
meeting. Ma'am if you if I could speak to you in the office right now if you like if you'd like. [Music] Tomford. Go ahead. Next speaker. Tom Fidelis. Stop screaming out. Who are you? Stop
screaming out. Oh, no. He He No, he wants He wants to go for this. He wants to go for this. Next speaker. So, Tom, I'm I'm trying to get there. I'm trying to get there. Yep. Yep. Tom Fidelis 752.
J uh Jaclyn Court, Tom's River. I sent an email to uh to the clerk today. Congratulations on on passing the test I do here. It's hard. Um I just want to make sure that everyone had received it. You guys have had a chance to review it. I'm sure you have. Um well what it what
it detailed was um you this this uh you know this political piece also detailed it also had a conversation that I had with the candidate who was not selected uh by uh by the mayor who runs your uh Republican
club or the Republican club that some of you guys belong to made some statements uh such as um he wasn't going to select this other person Anthony Matarazzo because he didn't own him. Um he didn't own Ricotta
because he owned Matarazzo. He had he had um he had uh you know financial you know basically financial leverage uh with his wife. Now we've since learned that Ricarda's wife works in the building department. Sheen signed off on the JBJ soul kitchen while the mayor was
while the mayor was uh shush was while the mayor was uh attacking attacking the same thing which is just like obscure to me. Um he also you know he also talked about I mean what I saw in that and that
brought like serious concerns to uh NJSA I think it's 30 um 30 uh 30 27 27 C and I think it was 27 C uh-2. So you have bribery, official misconduct, um leveraging coercion or
bribery and um you know official official misconduct. So I just ask that you guys um would join me in in condemning this this type behavior behavior whether true or not. I think it also uh deserves an official an official investigation by an independent third
party. No. Yes. No. No. We're not impeached. I would ask you, well, I I think I think it's actually despicable, especially when he said, "Why don't you just wait a year or two? Um, you look at my council, one of them are going to die." You know,
um, this kind of this kind of points out the exact thing that we're seeing with the most vulnerable people in our community, our seniors, our homeless, our our pets. You know, the first person I thought of, Mr. Mr. Coleman was your wife and I I'm so sorry that you know
but for him to speak like that knowing that you're on this council and you know knowing what we have going on knowing the problems that he's caused it shows you it shows you that there's there's truly no there's no change in
this person. So if you guys aren't interested hopefully the next council will be appreciate. Thank you. [Applause] You want us to name that? No. Pat Claslo, Ortly Beach. First question, but
of course the mayor's not here right now. Um, are we going to get neighborhood watch again because he did say after the election and also the homeowners association meetings, they will be back. I'll find out for you. Okay. Well, I'd like to know. No problem. Um, the other thing was with the concerts. I mean, you were paying
$10,000 for the ones in front of the library and you said, "No, we're not gonna The mayor said, "No, we're not going to pay for it." I'd like to know how many concerts are we going to have by Snug Harbor harbor and what's the total cost for those concerts going to be? We're having one in Orley Beach, Pat. I don't know if you heard up on the
beach in August. Did you get the date yet? I'll get it to you before then. No, I saw. Okay. But I'm saying how much are these concerts costing us? Because if these are only costing us $1,000 and the uh board of commissioners are willing to pay five, it's only costing us five. What is Snug Harbor and all the other
places where you're having contract? It's a big turnout over there. It's a big turnout. I don't really care how much is it because it's an audience. I'll find out for you. It's my tax dollars. I know. I'll find out for you, Pat. Okay. The other thing is Dan talked about, oh, you know, in the um with the homeless and stuff, there's been overdoses. There's been this. There's
been that. We don't know these things because he's put a ban on the police letting us know what's going on there. When Bachki was here, he put out everything that went on in town. It's like, you guys don't want us to know what's going on. But then you're saying,
well, this is going on. That's going on. Let us know. By putting and then Tom's River appears to not want any homeless in it. Hey guys, you got to realize this is the county seat. This is where the services are. So, of course, they're going to
gravitate here. Putting them down in EPS and stuff like that. Are you going to send them an Uber or something to bring them up here to go to all these services? No calling out. Excuse me? No calling out, please. Thank you. But I mean, you you want to get rid of everybody, but
you don't have a solution. So, you got to sit down and address this. Don't just keep sweeping and let's send them away. Let's send them away. This is the county seat. Thanks, Ben. Okay. On the record again, Christopher Raymond, at the last meeting, uh,
Council President Lamb, I, uh, spoke briefly, but Mr. Iverson spoke about an email which I received from Mr. Solanis, Mr. Chabbo, maybe I'm saying his name wrong, and then the mayor. Um, I work in the government and we're very mindful
about what kind of emails we send out. So maybe Mr. Pascarella, who's the township attorney, could give some type of legal advice on behalf of the township as to how No, he won't give any advice tonight. Well, then I'm going to direct it to you. Okay, go ahead. I emailed you and I asked you what was
being done about the disrespectful email I received from township employees. This is the first time you ever put any action on it. So I'll I'll look into it for you. No, no, no. I I emailed you last month. No, you don't. No, I don't remember you doing it. You 100% I did. But no, you don't. Listen, there's not I'm not going to get the truth here. Mr.
Nas read the email. I can assure you any other functioning governing body would not tolerate what goes on with some of the employees and there's no accountability. I even called the I guess your human resource director. No call back, but that's that's the norm
here. What I wanted to speak about was actually a lot more important and is the homeless people. Uh Mr. Rodri gave too much credit to himself and some other people. It was actually um Commissioner Robert Rey and some other people that helped these fine individuals get out of the heat last week when some of the
people in town hall had their AC at probably 63 64 degrees and they're sweating to death inside this garage. I know some of you don't seem to be interested about that, but I will say when we don't take care of the people that really need help, what are we doing
here? Somebody got up and spoken about Mr. Keller. I knew Mr. Keller, he would never tolerate what goes on in this council. The decision-m, the name calling, the bullying, these two, I listen, I don't care who the next council president, it's got to be
better. You got to have two meetings a month. You got to talk to the people and it's got to be 7 o'clock at night. This idea that you brought up about some of our seniors can't get here at night. I don't I don't buy that. they can come to a meeting at 7 o'clock at night because a lot of us have to burn time to come
here. This is why you have these meetings right now because you know people can't come. And as for the police department, I still stick with the numbers that I put out there. The department has been decimated and until we get some control back, maybe Mr. Nvice and some of these fine gentlemen,
the department will continue to crumble because they have no true leadership because they're afraid. So, um, things will get better. It's going to be a rough five months, but uh the homeless deserve better than what we give them, but I thank the people that are actually
helping them instead of name calling them. And if Mr. Rodri was here, I would tell him to his face, they're not a bunch of bums. I can assure you that. Have a good night. Last speaker, Mr. Anel. Last speaker, Dana Tormolan, Messenger Street. Um,
regarding my comment to you, Justin, last uh, meeting when you said you didn't respond to me. Mr. Mey, please review the below email. I agree with her sentiments on difficult traffic situation on Bachelor presently. If we can work on getting a traffic study conducted and also make sure we have
neighborhood to totally involved and on board with any renderings before we land on a permanent plan. Thank you in advance. Kind regards, Justin Lamb. Well, I believe that was you. Yes, well written. Thank you. You're you're an idiot. Anyway, I wanted to say something to the mayor um because I wanted to know
what the numbers were that he said the election was going to be won by and wish all the new council members good luck and good riddens to the rest of you. Motion to close public comment. Second move. All in favor? I All in
favor of close public comment I I Thank you. Okay, we're going to council comments. Um, Councilman Nverson, I'll wait because I need to direct mine to, you know, Well, I don't know if he's coming back. So, you you're going to give up your time or I'll wait. No, I'll
wait. You could start down at that end with the disgraceful Oul down there. Who should Well, that's not very nice. Who should resign? That's not very nice. That's not very It's not very nice. No, it's the truth. Why don't you correct your attitude and maybe step out and come back? No. No. My my attitude is perfect. You're done. Councilman tool,
please. Go ahead. You want to speak? Start down there with the disgraces. Coleman disgrace. Can you please stop talking? You don't want to speak. If you don't want to speak, that's fine. You're You're the biggest disgrace. Stop talking. Stop talking. Thank you, Pastoral.
Thanks, Tom. Oh, you're Oh, you're Oh, you're welcome. Oh, keep going, Justin. Yeah, Justin. Hey, Justin. How do you like it? You don't have the floor, Tom. The floor. No, keep going, Justin. The floor. Oh, amen. You don't want me from the top. Oh my god. Stop and stop. Can't go there anymore. Go ahead, Justin. Bring it up. Go ahead. Oh, go ahead. Go
ahead. Stop calling out, please. No, you won't. No, you don't. You can't call out. You're interrupting a public meeting. Okay. You either No, I'm trying to stop him from interrupting. I am starting with you. Stop. Quiet.
Council, [Music] you know, it's very sad. Yeah, you are. No, it's very sad that we have a group of people that evidently I don't know where your manners are, but I
guess somewhere somewhere you lost them along the way because you sure aren't displaying them now. You know, there's such a word as respect. It seems to be something that's dead. Sit down. You don't have the floor. Sit
down. That's not right. Stop yelling out. I wish you all a very happy stable July. Not to speak. He's not even I'll wait till he's handled. Councilman
Ivers, you want a second shot or you want to wait? I was going to wait for this to come back. Councilman, thank you. Councilman, I I'll take my turn then. Okay. Hey, Dan, I hope you can hear this. Hey, Coward Rodri, come on back out. You're hiding in there.
[Applause] Anyway, when we ran on the ticket, it was for Stop the building. And I wanted to direct this directly to the disgrace, Rodri, but he stopped everything but the building, the animal shelter,
Code Blue, Silverton First Aid, and Drive 25 saves lives, the campaign that one of the finest officers with the police department was in charge of. Of course, he fired him right off the bat because he put the signs up in Rodri's
own neighborhood. My god, you think Rodri would want to be thrilled to have his children in his neighborhood sa safe? Of course, he thought they were trying to spy on him with these little drive 25 save liv signs.
Well, he had them all removed. Township people, some of who are here tonight, took it upon themselves to start the campaign again. Well, Rodri had township employees go and steal the private signs. So, that's what I wanted to ask
him. Where are the signs? Where are the ones that belong to the police department? And where are the ones that belong to the private citizens? And we're paying these township guys to steal our private property. But the coward had to leave because he knew he was going to be attacked. That's why he
he feigned compassion for this woman. And who knows what I think a policeman should be in there with those two because I don't trust either of them. So he's in there. Yes, sir. So could someone please go in there and tell the
coward mayor to come back out cuz he's too afraid to show up in any of our Why don't you wrap Why don't you wrap up your comments? No, it's not enough of my comments. It's enough of your comments, Justin. Could someone get the coward to come back in? Stop screaming out. Stop
screaming out. I want them out of here. Get these Get them out of here. I don't want They're interrupting a meeting. You do not keep your mouth shut. That's enough. Get out of the meeting. You're Get out of the meeting. Okay, let me just address the disgraceful UL the disgraceful Craig
Coleman. Complete disgraces to this town. No, you're a disgrace. You are a disgrace. You've never voted for one thing that the people want, Lynn. You just do what Dan tells you. Craig does what Dan tells him. Unfortunately, this gentleman right here, he just didn't
know any better. And I'm sorry, Mr. Burn. You got caught up in this. You can go back and play golf in a couple months. Okay, Justin. You got what you deserve. That's not very nice. You're a disgrace. Coleman is a a disgrace to the town. That's why none of you show up at
any of our township functions. If Rodri showed up at our Saturday night or Friday night, he'd get booed off the street. So, the coward's not coming back in. Thank you. Yeah. Councilman Burn, please. You want to speak? You think I'm out of
my mind? No. No comment. Okay. Councilman Quinnless, please. Uh before I forget, happy 4th of July. I think it's I think the fireworks are actually the 5th of July this year. Uh,
don't forget I want to congratulate aside from Steve on passing that test and it is hard but Angie also passed it. Um, I wish Dan was here because uh, it's been 18 months and Mo Hill's picture still hasn't managed to to get up on these walls. The man had I think it was
16 years as a councilman and four years as a mayor. And even if you didn't like him at the end of that, he still deserves the respect of being on the wall with the other mayors. [Applause] Um, I do want to quickly mention, and I'm not the numbers guy on this, so, uh,
maybe a police officer can correct it or not, the overtime was high in 2024, but it wasn't because of the police department doing something. It wasn't because of extra activities. It was because of the way the mayor handled the police department and the the cuts that are happening in there. If you compare the 2024 numbers for overtime with 2023,
you will see a huge difference from what I understand. So, please, again, I ask you guys to start doing some of your homework. Um, and then the last thing is I want to thank everybody that got out and voted for me. Um, one of the things that stinks, um, being up in this deis is for the last year and a half I got
blamed for everything that Dan didn't like with the other administration and then, uh, now I get sometimes accidentally lumped into something with this administration. Um, I'm proud of the work I've done up on the Deis. I'm proud of the work
I'm proud of the work that I've done for the town and uh you know I know that uh the reason why I'm not up here is a different reason why some of these other uh council people will not be back next year. I understand that. So thank you all for your support.
Thank you Councilman Sakosi. David, go ahead. Okay. Thank you everyone. Keep it up. Keep coming to these meetings because the next six months,
God only knows what the hell's going to happen here. What So, we need your help. We desperately need it. There's a couple uh corrections. That young lady uh sitting up on the first
row here, she was escorted out of here. Not by me. By Cole? Not by me. Okay. Okay. But she was I didn't say I didn't say you. I said she was pointing at me. Okay. And then the uh reverend I think he just left. He almost got booted out
uh a month or so ago and I believe that was by you. Three minutes. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, during this past primary, everyone that I talked to was every
voter, every resident, keep up the good work. What are you going to do for our town? Save Tom's River. It was all about the town. We have a mayor here that before the primary, he called out numbers. It's
going to be a landslide. uh Councilman Quinsick, he won't even get 15 20% of the vote, whatever it is. And he calls other people sellouts. That's far from the truth. Tom is a
standup man. I've got to meet his family, his children, and his grandchildren, and I'm honored to be next to him up here. But our mayor is to
sell out. He is the sellout 100%. So you have to get the word out to everybody now that the primary is the main event, not the election in November. It's the primary. We got to
stop these block votings. Okay? That it's so important going forward. I only been on one agenda meeting in a year and a half. One one agenda meeting. Going forward, Tom,
Jim, or I should be at one meeting every month going forward until January. And then everybody in the police department, public works, town hall, downstairs, if
one of these sobs look at you sideways, mark it down on your calendar the time and stuff because January 1, you're going to have people that have your back again. Okay?
100%. We're going to stop this madness. I love our town as much as everyone here. People are worried about small business. There was another lady that was sitting up here in the front.
We're losing a lot of businesses here in Tom's River, the strip malls, everything. Our code enforcement. Our town has been bought and sold. I hate to say it. And we all know where.
We all know where. And it's ugly. And And where's the lady on Crest Ridge? Is she still here? I think she left. Uh she talked about uh mental health with the police department.
They don't need that. Only little department somebody will slip by. They'll get through. But they have uh great background uh investigations and everything like that. And I think going forward we should have uh mental health
evaluations for uh our mayors. Happy 4th of July and keep coming. Get the word out and um and just be be prepared what's coming next. I don't know what's coming next, but thank you. It's coming. Vice President Coleman,
please. [Music] Well, Tom, congratulations. You have your little army out there. That's fine. And you put No, these are the people talking. I didn't interrupt you. How about once in a while have some
manners. You can laugh all you want. I have never interrupted. I have never interrupted him. Never. God. Never. because I have a level of respect. See you next month. And I'm also mature enough to know the right way to
participate in a meeting is to not yell and scream and try to knock down people. I'm sorry. And I will continue to maintain that level of respect and maturity no matter what is said about me or how it's excuse me. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you, sir, but I
will continue to be that way. I'm sorry that he is the way he is. He's very immature. Thank you. We want to wait till everybody leaves. All right, I guess I'll wrap it up while everyone's maybe maybe if I'll speak loud enough they can hear me out in the hallway. But um I want to thank
everybody for coming tonight. It was very spirited meeting, a lot of energy and um but we got to respect the rules. We have council rules up here. If if uh people scream out and people holler too much, it's hard for us to understand up
here. It's hard for us to think and vote and listen and hear each other out, but we got to follow and respect council rules. I want to thank John Mey in the audience and Rick Pin. Thank you for the beach work up there. It looks great as up there today. The snow fence is done.
The I saw the railing quotes are getting done on a bunch of streets. My beach people will be happy to hear that. The beach looks excellent. Lifeguards are all on staff. Beach badge checkers are on staff. I bought a beach badge today. Very, very helpful person at the at the Lord house.
While I was up on a beach today, there was a lightning strike and the alarm system worked excellent. In fact, the alarm went off. The lightning alarm went off. The lifeguards were quick to respond. They chased everybody off the beach, but they did so orderly, efficiently. There was no none of the
bthers were upset. They understood that's dangerous. Um, it was very impressive to watch those lifeguards work because they're young Lava Murray high school kids, but they really do grasp the nature of the job, the importance of what they have to do up there. So, it's very impressive to watch that beach work. Um, they did a great
job. I want to thank the voters of Ward One. I've been running for almost a decade. I'm still a young man, uh, 43. I just turned 43 not too long ago, but I I happy to serve this term. I don't believe these terms are for more than a
term or two. Um, I called my opponent Bob Bianchini the night of and wished him well. I told him a little bit of what I've learned and quickly learned one month in or two months in. I hope he follows the same philosophy nature that I do of small government first.
Small government always and thank you for that. And um but I I I wish him well and I I I really think he has got a tough job ahead of him because I hope he espouses that America first agenda that he talks about because I've been America first my whole life but um
I wish him well. Also I want to uh just reach out and and and thank the administration for the work they've done over the last year and a half. I know others up here disagree with that work, but we were elected to stop the overdevelopment downtown. We did so. We
elected to maintain open space at all costs. We purchased the boat works. That was a a big agenda item that was very important that we did that. We also ensured that we delivered a budget that was 9% cut which was huge. I think that's
important to lead the way going forward. And the services have been equal to or better than I plan to be even better going forward. I think that the police departments does a fine job. I want to thank them for being here tonight. I'm thankful that they promoted a sergeant. I know the sergeants the sergeant pool
is always a little bit under valued and sometimes not filled and I thank God that we filled that tonight. I think the sergeant's an important firstline supervisor in our police department. They're answering in the calls with their officers at all times. I think that's an important important post. Um, I wish everybody has a happy July 4th
and I'll stay behind for a few minutes tonight if anybody wants to, you know, pepper me with questions or discuss how the meeting went, what I can do better, what you can do better, or I'll stay behind. Mr. Hansel, a motion to close the meeting, please.
Second, please. Second. All in favor? I. I. Thank you, guys. Just make sure. You don't have to use the amplified sound. They come up and flirty.