I call the meeting to order of the towns in affordable housing Trust on February 10th 2025 at 101 PM may I have a roll call please Beverly Napier present Cindy boundy present Veronica Cal present Dave
warland present we have a quorum may I have a motion to make Ronnie Kell acting chair for today's meeting yes I'm move to make Ronnie Kell acting chair for today's meeting of the
affordable housing trust so moved do we have a second I second that all those in favor say I a roll call vote please all those roll call vote Beverly I Cindy boundy I Dave
warlin I Veronica Kell I motion carries okay Madame chairman all right um I I my role on the um the reason that I am the acting chair today is because my role has changed
from being an atlarge member to being the select board representative so at our next meeting we will do a um reorganization of the board and hopefully we'll have a new member at that meeting and perhaps also a new housing administrator so that's the
reason that we're doing that um so what I'd like to do uh so thank you for um voting me as the acting chair for today um uh I would like to announce that the meeting is being recorded I would like
to know if there's anyone else recording all right hearing no one um we'll move on uh tcam will have this up on uh YouTube The Town Youtube channel as per usual all right 1.4 um I get well 1.3 I
have no additions or deletions does anybody else have anything no okay um so we're going to move on to 1.4 the review of minutes is there a motion to review uh the minutes of the
joint meeting with the towns and housing authority on September 12th 2024 I make a motion that we review the minutes for that date 1224 not 1224 12 okay all right so everybody has
the minutes they were distributed um on Friday um any comments or changes to be made no nope no I think that look good um okay then
um roll call vote to accept the minutes uh starting with Beverly Beverly Napier you want me to accept is that what you want me to do accept to accept the minutes I accept the minutes okay Cindy boundy I accept the
minutes as red day I accept the minutes and Veronica Cal I all right um is there a motion to accept the minutes for November 18th
2024 Beverly apier I um I I need a motion oh you need a motion okay I make a motion to accept the minutes of uh uh is it February uh November November no November 18
2024 is there a second I'll second sorry all right so um again everybody's had the minutes to review are there any comments or changes
no all right hearing none roll call votes starting with Beverly Beverly Napier I David Dave warland I Cindy boundy I and
Veronica Cal I all right thank you uh the last set of minutes are the minutes from January 17th is there a motion to accept the minutes for um January 17 I make a motion to accept the minutes
of January 17 2025 second thank you second uh David Worland second all right are any comments on the minutes all right hearing none uh roll call vote to accept the
minutes from January 17 2025 beginning with Beverly Beverly Napier I Dave warland I Cindy boundy I Veronica Kell I all right [Music]
um the minutes for those three meetings are accepted I will um draft them I will take them down they're already I'll undrawn Clerk and have them uh stamped in and put up on the
website I believe that all our minutes are up to date on the website so um I'll just say that all right thank all right we don't have um until uh 1:15 that's when I have the
presentation um on the agenda for so I'd like to wait until 1:15 to start that so that everybody that wants to be here to see that is able to be here so um I'm going to skip down to uh
2.3 the discussion of inclusionary the inclusionary zoning um bylaw draft and a meeting with the planning board um we H we don't have any update since the last time we discussed this in a meeting so
um and we are in the process of hopefully hiring a new housing administrator so what I'd like to do or what I'm thinking is to um just set this aside until our next meeting and perhaps um talk to the planning board and see
when we can get on their agenda for a discussion so what do you guys think on that make sense yeah sense to me too I would do that okay then I'm just gonna let this sit I don't think it requires a a motion
or anything um we'll just wait until our next meeting for further discussion and hopefully that's something that a new admin will pick up and take a look at and go through um 2.4 is a discussion of
the filings at the registry of deeds um as you guys know all of our resignations and appointments uh need to be filed at the registry for the board and um we also have a water easement that has not
yet been uh filed and I'd like to make sure that there is uh something that notes the conveyance of the properties to the trust and Cindy and I did meet with Adam in January during office hours
and this was one of the things we talked about um so Cindy do you want to say something on this or you know [Music] um no I think it's something we should do do it all in one bundle get
everything all done at once instead of instead of to the registry and drips and drabs you know um that's especially the easement I think the M especially has to has to be recorded and Adam indicated to us that he had put a package together a
couple months back and that um with our change in administration it just kind of got set aside and so uh with a new administrator that's another thing that um the person could pick up and um get
that moving forward so I don't think we need a motion for that just to know that you know that's just a status update on where we are um same thing pretty much with
2.5 so moving on unless somebody has anything else to say about those two items just remind me what what the date of the expiration of that what acres is what year okay this is going to 2.5 out
I'm sorry I thought you already there I'm sorry yeah um outwood expires in 2029 uh that means it reverts from affordable to market rate um and
so I think the town would like it to remain as affordable uh towns and wood it's the way the deed was written towns and woods is different it is Affordable in perpetuity but Atwoods acres is an older
complex and it was um during the time when people put 30 year or so um Riders on the mortgage you know that it would hold affordable for 30 years that is coming up um we don't have a Housing
Authority that's able to meet right now um that's actually one of the things on that I wanted to talk about more um the Housing Authority needs a uh a
state house housing representative on it and there are two open positions on the Housing Authority they are the ones that would um work on keeping outwood Acres affordable but so would we in conjunction with them so it's going to
we should as a town we need to be looking at this now if in fact we want that property to remain affordable so um uh our index we have 4% affordability
in town we are supposed to have 10% 10 yeah um and so this is a large portion of our affordability so it would be good if we could I mean I support keeping it
affordable so um but that's something that needs to be discussed in a joint meeting with the Housing Authority when in fact we have someone um in place so in your packet is the discussion I
had asked Nelson to find out what needs to be done to get a state appointed housing representative and so there's a process I'm I've asked that the select board um post the position um because it's not just
us choosing somebody it's the there's a survey process with the state that needs to be completed so so um I don't know Aaron I see that you're on and I know you're not our housing admin anymore welcome as our land coordinator but do
you have anything more to add to that um the only thing that I would add is that um I don't remember where I saw it at this point because it was probably a couple weeks ago that I saw it but there is a mechanism for us to basically renegotiate to
have um those units continue to be affordable we just have to have those successions in that negotiation um but it's not necessarily a lost cause it's just a project that has to be undertaken um so I think that
there's you know some sort Silver Lining there just is going to take a little bit of work um to see if that is possible to keep those units affordable right which is why I think it's good to have it on the radar now because four years is about um in four
years we should be able to work through the process POS so um okay so uh the Shi the state housing inventory uh form came out again that's something that I would
typically think the um Housing Authority would deal with so um everybody has that in their packet as well as correspondence that's you know I'm speaking about this now because it's something under housing authority and at
Wood Acres is part of that inventory so um Aaron just so it's on the radar of someone and if it's us that needs to deal with it since we don't have a ah perfect thank you all right so let us know if there's anything we need to do
to support that so thank you all right uh my clock says it's 1:4 um so uh i' I'd like to um open the presentation on the long-term forestry
project uh so that people I see that we have a lot more people usually we have no one or very few people on our meetings so I'm assuming that people are all here because they're curious about this um so the way um I have a
PowerPoint I'm going to try to screen share so you're going to have to give me a minute to get that up there uh the PowerPoint is uh well let me do that first let me bring up my PowerPoint so
um Dave I don't see screen share down on the bottom should I it should be there yeah I see host tools ah share screen okay they've changed how they do it all right
let me bring this up um can you all see see my screen no I see you am I big or am I little you're little it's the same okay so that didn't
work let me go back host tools it's different from how it used to be share screen so I'm gonna uh share Zoom docs Dave you need to help me out here because usually I've have screen sharing
down on that bottom panel I click on it I click on my thing and it appears magically but this is different so I have share screen clicked do I need to do anything else uh it should come up and show you your
desktop and then you pick whatever screen off of your desktop you wish to show okay all right I'm picking my screen nobody's seeing it though right correct ah share okay new thing just
came up all right um how about now oh there we go yeah good okay so let me let me pull this over and see if I can make it um show all right I'm going to play the um the thing here so uh what I would like
to do I the first this is a very brief PowerPoint it's about eight slides the first four tell um you something about the Housing Trust and what we've been doing the last four are uh with regards
to our long-term forestry plan and um what we're doing there so what I'd like to do is um talk through the first few slides and then take questions that are specific to
those four slides and then I'll go through the forestry plan and take questions from um those in the audience who have questions on the forestry plan and Dave Beverly and Cindy anything that
you'd like to add during the power Point um please feel free to jump in there I can I can't see David I can see I can't see everybody maybe if I um let me go back all right so I'm GNA get started
here we go um the purpose of the towns and affordable housing trust is to provide for uh the preservation so preserving units of affordable housing that already exist in down and also to create
affordable housing for the benefit of um uh those in towns in Workforce housing uh age restricted housing that sort of um uh population so
we um are we can go up to 125 of the area medium income Ami and you can see more about this um the affordable housing bylaw is now available in ecode so if you go to the website and go to
towns and general bylaws we are now chapter two and you can read our mission and um uh what the town voted in January of 2020 I believe um to put in place for an
affordable housing trust our mission is to accept property for the development of affordable housing to be guided by the housing production plan and to facilitate the development um and creation of
affordable housing in Townsend so we have a five-year action plan also available on the website and our goal is to have a project started on one of the properties that were
um targeted by by town meeting in May of 2022 for the trust to develop affordable housing on um Ami is the area medium income we are uh lumped with all the
towns that you see there um and that is how these numbers are determined so 100% of income the numbers across the top I don't know if you can see my cursor the numbers across the top are the household
size I went up to four it goes beyond that but I figured that was far enough 100% income are those incomes that are listed there and we can go up to 125% of that so a quarter over
everything you see there would be considered affordable housing this is not Section 8 housing it is uh Workforce housing for people who live and work in our town um and for
um those in town who are interested in downsizing so age restricted moving to the next one um we have uh maybe I should stop here this is earlier than I planned so are there any
questions about what the trust is and what our missions and goals are okay uh moving on to where our properties are located these are the six properties um uh the one kind of dead
center at the top is the remaining property on Dudley road that surrounds outwood acres and towns and woods that's that property it does have Town water if you go to the left left on that and I
I'm looking at my screen and assuming you're seeing the same orientation these are the West Elm and blood Road properties we have seven acres there I should say Dudley road is about 11 acres blood road is Seven Acres um and it's
right on the corner there uh going down to the bottom that's South Row Road um that property was actually um the town had a plan done in right around 2007 for affordable housing
there's an existing plan for that property the town opted in 2007 not to go forward with it um Ross Associates did the plan um they decided not to go forward with it with because of the
expense of that um development and so that one was put on hold and uh we have the plan but that's all um okay and the one to the right is the Wallace Hill property the larger piece
and then the smaller piece is also along h Road I should say that all of these are tax title none of these are towns in conservation land none of them were given to the town as conservation land the only one that is not a tax title
property is Dudley Road um and then for because this is significant the ones that have Town property are Dudley Road blood Road West Elm and South Row Road there is no Town water did I say
property there is no Town water on the Wallace Hill property and that makes a difference um when you're discussing development so any questions on the properties anything that anybody else on the
committee wants to add to this all right next slide um the the trust um when we had a Five-Year Plan done we had these six properties but what are we going to do with them so we worked with
mrpc to develop a five-year plan that Five-Year Plan is um on the website you can find it there um and we update the tables in it every year if you never write something down nothing ever
happens but it is um moving Target as far as um timelines go we've learned a lot so in The Five-Year Plan mrpc took a look at our
properties and they um in there you can see which ones have environmental constraints and which ones don't we um so probably it was January of 2024 after April 2023 we got our
Five-Year Plan um finalized we looked through um and uh thought what are we going to do with these properties what makes sense so we did a lot of homework we um met with Rick medf from the chova board
Health um to figure out what what we could do I mean if you look at it the two biggest properties let me back this up the two largest properties are South Row Road and Wallace Hill so you would think logically that is where you would start you have the most land there but
what we learned is without Town water it becomes very expensive um so Wallace Hill is on the back burner for a while we found Massachusetts Housing Partnership as we
um educated ourselves on what's needed to do affordable housing in Massachusetts Mass Housing Partnership is a quasy governmental organization you can Google them and find out about them online they support
communities housing authorities and nonprofit housing organizations to create affordable housing and in January 2024 um we the trust signed a technical assistance grant with them they looked
at the six properties and took what we learned in the time from The Five-Year Plan to then that was a year ago and they uh said your best bet is to focus
on the property that has Town water and not a lot of environmental constraints and that that is the blood Road um West DM property and that's where our focus is so meanwhile we have these
other properties sitting there but before I go on to our forestry plan is there anything that anybody from the trust wants to add no no no I'm good any questions from the
community questions so hopefully that explain explains where we are and what we're doing um so we had let me go back to our map so we're focusing I I don't know that my cursor does anything here
we're focusing on blood Road and West Elm Street for development um we have two really big properties that are forested and we are responsible for them so
anybody that has a large track of forest land typically puts a forest management plan on it so we um starting about two years ago now um at least a year and a
half uh summer will be two years ago we started talking actually the spring what do we do with those two properties and the the responsible thing is to manage the forest for long term so
for the hannes road Wallace Hill uh property um the object is to produce immediate income to support support affordable housing to enhance the wildlife habitat to support the
long-term health of the forest and to improve any recreational opportunities um I know that some people hike those those trails are not going away snowshoeing is not going away there
our Focus right now for developing housing is the seven acres in West Townsen so this is not going away um here's the the map that's in the forestry plan which you can find our
forestry plans um online we are doing a selective cutting back backing up uh it's a 60% cut it's mostly Pine and white oak sorry to be jumping back and forth we are not harvesting in the
wetlands the wetlands on the property will be protected though they may cross it and there are um ways to cross streams um to reach the other side we are using um
Foresters who are aware of this and stream Crossing one is existing there have been Crossings of these there have been harvests done on this property in the past so this is the plan you can see here that Wallace Hill is in the lower
left hangs on the other side this is our property is way down Wallace Hill Road it's not in the upper part we do not abut any conservation any state conservation land and and um you can see
stand one that's ST1 stand two um stream cosing one the L is where the um the uh they all Harvest that's where things will be dragged out to so any questions
on this for Haynes Road okay um I'm G to ask you to turn on your camera Bob are you able to do that I'm sorry I didn't hear that clearly do you see me um I can't my camera's
on okay um go ahead with your question then uh is it possible to expand this map it's very hard to see just wonder um H uh I'm going to let me stop the screen
share I can and see if I can uh bring up the map from the website that might be easier I can stop the share whoops um okay Bob give me a minute uh let me
go through here and just finish the this and then I'll go to to the forest plans themselves excuse me verica Veronica this is Lynn um I can each of us individually could in our own screens I just I just managed to increase the size
of what I'm seeing by just doing a so I don't know Bob if your computer allows it but you can possibly expand it on your own can you do that Bob can can you see me yet let may try it okay I'm not seeing any way of
increasing it but is uh is this map available online if I yes if you go to the Townsen website under I think it's government or governance um the Townsend affordable housing trust has a web page
and down at the bottom of the web page there are links to both of the forestry plans okay and there's also a link to the um latest update for um well it's from a year ago so it's
for our timeline for the properties okay thank you I'll go to that after this meeting then thank you okay and if you have any questions after that feel free to you know email me I'm Townson ma.gov or you can um you know
give a call we don't have an admin you'd have to call Aaron sorry Aaron she's she's in a new position now but she can also get you to me if need be so what was your email address it's Vel Townson
ma.gov okay thank you very much you're welcome all right I I thought there was another question some hello hello unmute am I
muted no I can hear you okay okay is there is there question can you hear me now can you hear me now yes yes okay I'm sorry I'm having trouble with my phone um okay my name is Sandra Lord do you have my picture I I tried yes yes
I do thank you I'm sorry I've been like trying desperately to be heard okay um there are two this is for the Wallace Hill hannes Road um there are two streams there we had a drought I don't know if the other stream was dried up but usually there are two streams
and the forestry plan that you're discussing um has there been approval yet from the state uh not yet no we're we're in process on this so it we do have a
signed contract but things are not um it's to it has been given to the state okay so it depends upon their approval correct um all Forestry plans are approved by the state yes okay what
happens if it's denied for any reason I mean it hasn't been approved yet right if if it's denied then we do whatever they tell us to do oh okay I was just curious okay so is there is there a date
for the uh logging at this point I don't believe we have one but um I would expect that they would do it before the spring okay so there's nothing on the books that say it's going to be February 13th or 20th or okay so you have to get the
approval first um correct yes okay that was my big thing I was just wondering about that so you can't go for it until you get an approval in place uh that's correct okay and the um contract is that
with Mr Anderson or some kind of yes okay all right I guess I don't have any more questions thank you for answering that you're welcome anything else on haes road Wallace Hill Road this
property and if any of you see you have a better screen than me for seeing um people all right South Row Road property same thing it's a selective harvest it's a 60% cut this is not a
clear cut cut um we're trying to keep um Woods you know along the edge uh the stream Crossing is existing this property has been cut in the past and the wetlands that are present on the site are protected just like they will
be on Wallace Hill so the um map is here you can see that there are two entran the entrances one is off of Hickory Drive and that is where the loading site will be Landing site uh South Row Road
is from the other side um they'll be not cutting off of South Row you can see the hash marks that's the part that is not being cut so there's a perimeter being kept on those two sides of the
property and the 60% cut will be within that section so any questions on South Row Road I'm sorry could could you go back to the Wallace Hill so I can see that map again uh let me finish with um South Row
please oh okay I'm sorry is there are there any questions on South Row Road Cindy Beverly David do you see any that I can't see nope no hi sorry this is land who lives on South bro so the the the land the piece that comes off
South bro Road there that is Town property is that correct that's part of the um yes the hash mark that that what you see here okay is all um the property for the trust yeah so it's just there for us to know as as you said right now
Veronica that right now will not be harvested at this point correct oh it will be harvested no no not not the right off the sou throw Road no not on South roow Road no yeah yeah that the slash area that comes right off okay it's just wondering how much noise we're
gonna no that's all right thank you so much I appreciate that you're welcome there will be noise from The Cutting but we've asked them not to do Sundays and holidays and well that's all right we had the water pipe going up for a year so we're used to
noise okay I'm grateful too because we have fire fire hydrants now so it was a good thing thank you it is a good thing and it means that there is water to this site from both sides the the Hickory Drive side and also the South roow road
side South Road Side Y somewhere down the road when there's a plan for this that is a good thing right but it's it is nowhere soon as a board we we're new to this as well and we're learning as we go
um and so the blood Road property um will be our first Endeavor and and will learn from that we also don't know timeline how long it takes for these things to happen it's been 2 years already and we don't even have an RFP
out yet so um these two properties it's hard to say when they're going to be developed but I think it's safe to say it's at least five years down the road so a question's on the South Row
Road property I see Cindy you have your hand up do you have a question on the South roow Road property well I'm sorry I I was uh hearing about the blood Road property so when uh housing does get approved uh how
does the plan does that go to a town uh meeting to be approved or how does the housing actually get can we I I want to limit the questions right now to South ra road if you stay on the meeting you can um see where we are with that but
I'll have to watch it during the um when it's posted on the site thank you you're welcome Cindy I see you have your hand up do you have a question on the South roil Road property oh you talking to me oh I'm sorry this is Cindy I was trying
to I'm not tech savvy so I was trying to figure out how to put my hand down sorry I that thank you okay so I I take it that there is no question all right um all right so any this is open for
questions on the presentation whole thing any questions I think someone wanted me to go back to um oh yes yes please to uh this one y yeah I was um I don't my reading glasses on I start when
I I was just trying to take a look if you could make sense of the um of the The Legend for me because I don't have my reading glasses um so that's let's see that's Wallis Hill Road to the far left and that the lines what are
those is that like the constraints right there like the weird the the straight up and down lines uh I believe that's Trails oh Trails okay and because I see it on the right hand Border Side also where hannes
is I'm sorry I think she's referring to the buffers oh oh oh they buffer zones oh okay oh the hash marks is that what they I'm sorry uh and then I see st2 and ST1 what does that mean that means stand
one and stand two Foresters use that to define the areas that are going to be cut so they'll cut in Stand one and they'll cut in Stand two oh okay well thank you for okay and then they indicate the stream somewhere at the top
somewhere they show the wetlands they um uh they show the the stone walls they show okay the wetlands um you can see this
more easily if I think if you go to the website and pull up the plan you can also see the amount of trees the um board feet that are being cut and the types of trees that are being cut in the forestry plant that's all of that data
is available there oh that's all on the the website the town website yeah in the forestry plan all righty well thank you very much I appreciate it you're welcome Veronica one more question about Wallace Hill yes I believe you said that there's no
cutting that's going to happen immediately I guess it's it all pending State approval did I get that right because the letter yeah we have to hear back when you do a tree cutting um and you put a forestry PL plan in place and again this is a long-term forestry plan
um typically it would be every 10 years that you would do a cut on a property and uh so um you have to submit it to DCR if we were going to be developing this sooner we would have to go through
the Conservation Commission and um to to have it approved the reason I asked is I received a letter from Anderson Timber harvesting saying that they are starting uh cutting is scheduled to begin onor about the date of February 12
2025 which is in two days so do you know anything about that Aaron Could you um comment on that because I have not received that and that was a certified letter that I had to sign for so I um have not heard that yet and
I'm um yeah because we we haven't heard back from the state yet um I had a call earlier with someone just asking a question um and I had asked yeah that does look like their logo I had asked Anderson to contact me
when they had any idea about when the cutting might be happening um I can give them a call and see yeah that it hasn't been approved yet the plan hasn't been approved so um they should there should be no cutting going
on until after that has happened okay pretty much most of the neighbors around here have received the same letter so um it does say in two days so I thought I'd bring that up so yeah if you could thank you thank you very much news to us
yeah yeah me too thank you Bob any other questions 's iPhone whoever Gary's iPhone is yeah this is uh Gary blazel how are you I'm good we we we own some
property that borders the South Row piece and my neighbors have been saying that they've been receiving you know letters and information on this for some time but we've never received anything um we have never sent anything
out I don't know where they've do you know where they've been getting their letters of well Anderson the trees and um I think there was a piece from the affordable housing that went out to all the abuts we sent out about this meeting
we did do that oh just okay but Gary this Gary this is ly I also live on Southboro Road our neighbor across the way who buts we're fine how are you nice to meet you um I believe only a butter so do you AB butt any of this property I think the corner yeah the corner now I
don't know exactly what but my corner AB buts the corner of the South Row piece yeah because I know together like yeah yeah I know the Shacks down the road and the and my neighbor who's just up the street they because they both a butt they're right
on the South Row side of all of that so yeah so is there any way so what you're saying is um that nothing has gone out to the abuts no a lot of times when they do in building and stuff they send information
out so I know if I get my name on that information so I could see things will it happens you did you recently buy that property uh 10 years ago oh that's not recent um the abutters list is something that's generated um through the
assessor's office and um and that's the list that we use the one that they gave us for the abuts to the property so if you didn't you should have received the information
about this meeting um assum that Anderson used the same if he sent out a letter which He did apparently um that he used the same list uh so if you're not on that list you might want to just check in with the
assessor's office assessor's office okay thank you H oh hello hello hi this is Sandra Lord from wellis Hill Road again um I have a concern that if the plan has not been approved and approved
and the butter did receive that's where I got the the February 13th um date from um and he plans to go ahead that's not correct that he goes ahead well Aaron just addressed that I heard that but you know I just hope that it doesn't proceed
without proper authorization well we we have to we would hope the same okay thank you any other questions Gary did you have another question your hand is still up on the Gary's
[Music] iPhone sorry about that I don't know on the iPhone I just were traveling so I jumped on this rather than my computer but I don't see a hand down thing so I don't have another question thank you all right anybody
else all right well with that then I'm sorry I have one more question so so um with the forestation plans what what's what's a plan of of long-term um logging as AO that you're not going to build on Redway as opposed to a piece of land
that you would build on ISE if you're going to focus on the blood Road and you get the plan in place and uh what how different is the the plan to build as a as opposed to the long-term building forestation plan what is the difference is there more stuff taken out more less
taken you can't you can't do forestry on a piece of property that that that you're planning to develop within you know two or three years you wouldn't get an approved forestry plan for that you would have to go through the building
permit process okay why we do not have a forestry plan on blood Road and West Elm because we are not foresting it we are not managing it for longterm forestry which is what we are doing on
these two properties so that sounds like it's a different process entirely for for the blood Road um we would be building on that and that it's a different thing than you
know maintaining a piece of forest land okay did I just do does anybody else on the committee want to add to that I don't know how to do this no I think you're doing a good job I think
too just long as everyone knows too that like we're trying to be thoughtful and that we are we have we're leaving buffer zones around where we can around Street Frontage around property lines um and it's this isn't a clear cutting they're
not going in and saying yeah let's cut everything down it's it's it's a selective cutting um to maintain the forest is what it's there for so it's it's
um I guess I mean Meeting House Park was cut by the town um not that long ago um the you know the uh uh Rod and Gun Club cuts the their
property with a forest plan the land trust Cuts property with a forest plan it it keeps the forest healthy it helps to um you know hopefully prevent forest
fires from getting out of hand it's not an unusual thing to do so I do have one last question s Lord from wellis Hill again um I have a concern because I remember speaking with you after a selectman's meeting and I
think that was in December maybe um afterwards and if I remember correctly I believe you stated something about you i' would have to have proof of a certain Wildlife pictures and GPS and so forth if there's
any protected species um so if I had proof how what would you like me to do with it you would take it to fish and wildli they have an office in air you can talk to them if you um have a veral
pool should be certified if you think there's a Vernal pool there you need to get it certified there is it is not priority habitat other than the far back corner a tiny piece might be priority
habitat but that property is not at this time priority habitat it's not on the maps it wasn't a Vernal Pooler speaking of um I want I was speaking with the US Wildlife already I'm waiting to hear a response so when I hear a response I'll
get back to you yes because I don't have so you want to talk to mass fish and wildlife not us fish and wildlife no this has to do with us according to I spoke with someone and it's us well then you better get to them soon before they are
eliminated okay sorry no no that's I know that's why I've been working on it and it's I Haven I I I heard a response from one person I'm waiting to hear a response for from a secondary person so when I have us fish and wildlife does not
govern that piece of property it's Mass fish and wildlife well there's something it sometimes it supersedes depending on the case so I I I guess we'll have to proceed when I hear that sounds good okay thank you so much by Gary I'm
assuming you just haven't been able to figure out how to put your hand down right but I do have one more question on that South Row piece real quick I appreciate you guys taking the time um the um there's some Trails through that that we use to hike and ride our horses
and stuff like that those did you say those Trails would be maintained so when they do start cutting maintained as such but they won't be eliminated they will that's what I me yeah and of course when you do a forest cut there's always some like slash right after but it all grows
back it usually looks pretty horrible right after it's you know right right well I've seen them like trash the trail so you can't get through the forest anymore you know what I mean leave a lot that is certainly not our intent no yeah um okay would there be somebody to
contact is there somebody that's going to manage the cut from the town perspective if not really just us I mean we have a um uh you know Don muko is our tree Warden and we did consult with him when
early on when we were doing this um but I don't think there's anybody in town that gets assigned to do that other than us right so if they just went in and kind of made a mess nobody would be account you know what I mean they they wouldn't be accountable to anybody in
town or just to us we did go after these were put out there and this is probably what got Sandra Lord rolling um we uh we Dave and I walked because we wanted to make sure that what we saw in the plan
was what we saw on the ground so we were out there walking doing our due diligence and we expect that we would do the same um going forward but we are not you know officers of the law or anything
like that but I would hope that we have a relationship with our Forester that would um prevent that that said there will be um stuff left it won't you know but it all grows back
within a year or two it's all back so again a lot of the times they leave like a lot of the Dead logs and they cross the trails and stuff not that it's not our land you know it's a town land or whatever but we certainly like the trees you know the trails I think a lot of people use the trails over there so one
of one of the things and it's noted um let me back up here um it's on this one because uh um oh did I leave that out no here it is this is on both of
them um to improve recreational opportunities I mean we want people to be able to use the property as it's being used now um so that's our intent you know what actually
happens hopefully won't be detrimental to do that in the future yeah it was certainly not looking to cause anybody trouble but it would be nice that somebody looked out for the trails being there you know what I mean if that was the intent I certainly don't mind
helping out in any way I can you know what I mean not to cause anybody harm or anything but just to uh be certain that it gets done and I can take a walk over there being living right there you know what's your
address uh 180 18 to South roow Road and besides Gary what's your last name uh Blaze d b l a i s d l l yes sure okay great
we'll let you know if we need you to yeah yeah like I say you just help out anyway guess it's all about right yeah I mean thank you yeah thank you guys okay all right any other questions all right I am going to try to switch up
the screen sharing here um and we'll move on to uh 2.2 so this is it for the forestry I hope we were able to answer all your questions if you have other questions feel free to contact one of
us and um or you know I hate to say this for Aaron but check in with Aaron because if you don't can't find our emails she knows how to get a hold of us so um and we'll be happy to answer any of your questions so um thank you all very much
for attending we appreciate it all right I am going to try to switch up my screen so um just give me a second here to find my cursor can we just take a like a five minute
break here you guys just so I can get my act together for some reason my cursor control is an issue all right I think I've stopped screen sharing now can everybody see that yep all right so
um uh let's move on to 2.2 an update on the MHP project so uh just at the end of last week um we got a preliminary concept from Mass um Housing Partnership
so what I would like to do is to um take a look at it it is extremely preliminary um and [Music] um what I would like from the committee is
um questions on uh we had hoped that was going to be able to meet with us today but I've learned that she doesn't work on Mondays so she is uh part-time now so she's not working on Monday so we may
later on in the meeting want to reconsider our Monday meeting day because of that but um I'm GNA bring up the concept and uh we can look at that come up with the
questions that we have to send off to her and hopefully get answers um for the next time that we meet so let me again share then take me a second okay are you looking at the
concept map part of it oh there you go is that better yep yep all right um and let me pull this up and again I don't know how small it
is you know on your screens but if people are watching at home you can expand so um basically they last time we met MHP had sent us a
um you know a PowerPoint that Aaron showed us where we could choose what we liked and what we didn't like so they took that and came up with this so um instead of me talking all the time anybody want to go forward with
it talking about what's here it looks very interesting I guess the question is is this kind of a template that this company uses it it says for concept p purposes
only the question is are they trying to maximize the number of units okay I'm just not sure looking at this if this is a if this is realistic if it is it's pretty cool but would you like me to speak to that
uh yeah eron yeah thanks um so they took the parcel and basically using as I understand it using Ariz zoning um tried to see what this is the maximum capacity so they said we understand that this might not be what you all want to see
here it may be that you want to see fewer units but this is the maximum that could be placed on this property with the zoning that we have in towns and um so this is this is when they say for you know for concept purposes only they mean that this cannot be we can't
take this and say okay go build that this is not a construction drawing this is not 100% designed and engineered this is just a um basically a pretty picture that kind of gives you the idea of what could be going in here and Veronica I think at the top it tells you exactly
what it is but it's something like um 22 like townhouse homes and the some number of one and two bed Apartments yeah sorry see yeah um it has can you see that
I okay I'm trying to make it bigger I don't know if it gets bigger for you guys five one bit apartments and five Tuit Apartments um spread amongst 10 buildings so that's kind of what we said you all were very interested in having um a mixture of different things and
also specifically having you liked the townhouse approach um with you know having some first floor units that would be more inclusive for people who um maybe aren't as mobile anymore or trying to downsize um and want to be able to age
in place so we we wanted to make sure we had a mix of different things in there so this is sort of their um their take on that and trying to make sure that we could maximize the space um but like I said it could be that you say we don't want to have that many units and you could take some out
or you could say we love this plan we want to see it uh we want to see you know where we could go from here essentially when I looked at this I thought maybe it's a townhouse townhouse and then an apartment one level apartment in the
middle that's kind of how I was looking at it um but I they didn't send any renderings did they like yeah um because that was one of the questions I had
I Cindy did you have you know what I think too I I think it's really interesting and I like it I also what drives a lot of this construction though is the septic system and and and I know they have areas and I'm not an engineer
but like of those areas big enough to put in some kind of a septic system for for this many units that was just something that came into my head and maybe it is I you know maybe they they'll put in some like some septic treatment thing
um I I I like it it it seems a lot just kind it seems like kind of a but then maybe that's what we need because everyone says nobody will do a project if if you don't have like a requisite number because no you know it
doesn't work for anybody um but I I like it my my one complaint and and and I and it could be because I just said like this is just a rendering I really have a problem with the with the laundry building and I know it says laundry or
Community but I have a I have a problem but then I thought you know what it's probably like do we envision these as units that we are going to sell individually to people we're not maintaining Apartments if we were doing Apartments then maybe you want to have a
unit you know have a laundry thing because you're maintaining that but if these are units that you're selling to people I would hope that there was a laundry facility inside their building because that's what else I wanted are there basements in these like are there
basements or um you know like we like like our you know things like that I don't know there's a couple of things but but I also realized too this is just a rendering this is like hey this is you're looking at something like this you're looking at something like this and you you guys can work out the
details you know so so I think it's interesting I think it's interesting I don't know if that was to anyone but so they did take into consideration septic here and here yeah storm water is over
here um so they did think about that at least so and I I think and Ain you can correct me but we need to be working with the housing authority on this on the rental ship rental versus ownership
piece of this because isn't it the Housing Authority that determines that in the end sort of um really that determines whether they're sold or whether they're rented or manages that I
mean I don't see us managing the sale or rental of the units just getting the development underway that it's a in my mind it's a handshake between the housing authority and the Housing Trust so I think that it's it's a little
tricky because it's never been done before here in townend um so I think that there's um sort of a precedent to be set but um my inclination is that the Housing
Authority um if you decide for instance to sell all of the units and just have some of them be you know sold and um kept in perpetuity as affordable then they may not have any piece of it how however if the town decides to hold on
to some of the units even if it's just a few of them to rent as um through the Housing Authority then they would be involved because they are uh they would be managing those units that is my feeling however it's never been done here before
so I think that we have a little bit of um setting up of how this is going to work I don't know if it's necessarily spelled out anywhere that's something we'd have to do a little bit of research on right right okay because right now Townsen does not hold or manage any
units right it's a private company that manages outward acres and and so forth right the Housing Authority does not have any units itself that's that's that's a pretty big undertaking to manage properties you know you you're
starting a whole new business you know and and that's um so that's why in my mind I I don't know I'm well I don't know I mean we can see but maybe we should just sell affordable units and and with deed restrictions and keep them as affordable units forever and ever you
know I don't know I don't know that's just what came into my mind with this because of that laundry building my other question is is this are we thinking all affordable or are we thinking a mix of market rate and
affordable I think we have to do a mix if we want to try to get a developer interested in in doing this um I think that pretty much the direction we've been going in all along no yeah I agree when I spoke to MHP they said um we
could look into doing all affordable but that it would be very difficult um there's very few nonprofit developers who will do a fully or who can afford to do a fully affordable uh um Community Development if you
will um and it's much easier to find a developer to work with if you're willing to do a mixture of market rate and affordable okay agree yeah all right um well what's the next
step to address this I guess housing we've got to talk to housing right I I'm I've been taking notes so I'm going to write them up and I'll send them um out to Aaron or whomever
and um to get to uh Laura at MHP I I guess that is what is our next step in the MHP technical assistance process um because we would we I for me my next step is I'd like to meet with
the Council on Aging um maybe with Teo I don't know um do a community meeting I I would like to get answers to the things we just talked about first but it would be good to talk to them as well to
people in town and see so what would be useful for the people that live here um so what would they like to see so um so how would we go about setting up a
meeting with uh Council on Aging can I just give them a call and might be there I think I'm there um liaison uh I could ask to be on their agenda and um we could present we could
come up with a um Community uh presentation once we get answers from Laura um we could even use the um the PowerPoint that Aaron showed us maybe you know pick the ones from that
that we liked yeah I think that's important because like I you know it's hard to visualize like you can see this in you know but it's hard to visualize it's like what are they going to put up are they going to you know so those
PowerPoints that Aaron had are really good because you can say no these are going to be like I don't know Colonial styled houses you know they're going to look like a colonial style house with with two or three units there I think that's good because you need that visual because otherwise I think it's hard for
people to to try and think about what's going to be there on an empty space so if you guys are good with it I will approach the Council on Aging maybe start there and put together a before we
go there put together a PowerPoint for them see if they would like to meet with us and look at what we were looking at and what we got from MHP and maybe maybe we'll have answers to the questions that
we have I'm I'm willing to help out on that if you want if you want some help or you want to go as a chome or whatever um that would be great
so okay anything else on this that's what I'll do then we'll we'll get together a PowerPoint I'll talk to the Council on Aging and maybe to we can after that set up a community
meeting and also get the answers from Laura from MHP so anything else before we move on to the next thing all right I'll send out the list to Aaron and she can get them to all of
you guys and if you have um more questions you can send them back to her or anything that I leave off that you think is important all right I'm G to stop the screen share unless um one of you have another
question okay all right um I think our next thing is the review of our budget and our fiveyear plan so which one do you guys want to start with the budget or the five budget let's
do the budget okay right I I have one comment which is that it looks like you're optimistically looking at like a two and a half% rate of inflation let's hope you're right okay that's my all right so this
is it just seems like it's overly optimistic but who knows um well for the the fy2 budget this this is our Five-Year Plan that we put together last year yep and we we had the
the town put our fy2 budget in the budget book so FY 26 we were hoping to have a housing director but we aren't going to have that this year so I'm pushing that out to next year
yeah I mean the biggest issue is we're going to expend the arpa funds at some point and as you pointed out on this budget we're going to have to find some other sources right
right um yeah and if we get a developer and so forth I mean that that'll help if we get an inclusion area zoning bylaw put in place and there are funds from that that could help yep um the forestry
so I'm gonna sources of income um Pilots we haven't sold anything to um fishing yeah so I'm going to remove that
from 2026 I'm just looking at 2026 um so uh forestry funds um our admin staff does that seem right or should it be a bigger increase
in that well that's what I'm saying it's it's it's it probably should be a little bit bigger are we doing I'll take 4% over I would do that okay over uh 2025 so I'll
update that office supplies um registry fees uh pre-evaluation and development I'm going to keep that number there we have
50,000 uh training that's for if we go to um you know the Mass housing partnership conference or whatever and any travel all right so does that make sense
to you guys yeah I mean it's placeholders and they're reasonable all right the only one that I'll change is I'll do 4% over the 4600 that was there for 2025 okay so that number will be
somewhat different I think you want me to calculate it out or are we good no we're good good okay all right and I'll turn that in to the um to the office all right how about our
timeline we're looking at FY 2026 here yeah yeah so I think the fourest the plans let's get that out the RFP for development take that out for South Row and hannes um for both of those and just
move out the forest cut and then just have them sit for the years after that does that make sense yep yeah all right um do you want
me to bring this up I could pull it up I printed it out I don't know if Cindy do you have it or B you have I don't have it wait were you on the I have timeline that that timeline good I was able to print that off okay yeah so
you're gonna take out the redo the plan of the land and the RFP on sou row and on hannes road number one we're talking all of those go right hes Road two
um I think that that's the little piece of property that's the 2 to three acre piece right on hannes road has Wetlands con um constraints but it it is probably buildable I was wondering if we should
um talk to Habitat for Humanity on that one I know and see if there's any interest um sure nothing to lose I know yeah anybody want to reach out to
them do you want me to I just I'm gonna yeah if you don't mind but um yeah it can be we're not looking at any I'm just going to put it at FY 2026 Habitat for Humanity exploration
and I'm not going to put anything under FY 27 or FY 28 because we just don't know yet and um I I don't want anybody who might look at our timeline to look at this and think oh so anyway um Dudley
Road I'm gon to leave that exactly as it is unless you guys think we should bring it back and uh so investigate for development of deadly road is FY 2028 and then for the two blood Road properties I'm going to push everything
out because the working with Mass Housing Partnership took the entire year and we're still working with them so I'm gonna um uh put the RFP for development in FY
26 and and the develop just pushed that out um for FY 27 and really think it'll take more than this entire year yeah yeah I don't know I I know I
don't know either I know um Carol bacon from Dunstable her project took 10 years and I was like oh my goodness and and everyone else on that Network meeting was like yeah it takes a long time you know it takes a long so we've been at it
for two and maybe it won't take that long because like I think things are starting to move but it I think it takes a long time I think it takes a long time oh she's part time that's a little you know I'm glad for her but that's a
little that puts a little thing in it too if we get an RFP for development out next year that would be great next fiscal year meaning from July 1st yeah you know the fiscal year starts July 1st
I don't think we're going to be ready for an RFP before July okay um I'm hoping for the fall I was thinking calendar and okay yeah yeah don't think calendar these are fiscal years okay um
so that starts in July and then the fiscal year 27 and 28 would be the development okay um so I'm just going to push those out under other I'm going to
remove um well there's nothing I'm not going to put anything under other the survey of 182 War Road that didn't happen um and Forestry plans we did do
so unless you want to address at with Acres as other oh why don't we put that in that's a good idea [Music] um outward Acres should what words should I use just atw
Acres uh yeah affordability you maintain affordability or extend or I don't know okay and I'm going to put it
under all three so FY 26 27 28 because you know maybe maybe someone should reach out to who you know whoever's running at with Acres right now and and find out if they have
a plan like maybe they have a plan right bring it up to Market and keep renting it out right I that's you know what Dave that's what I'm afraid is gonna happen I'm afraid we can make a lot of money off of this you know um so so maybe we should find out what their plan is you
know um because I I could be I don't know that much about it but isn't it up to them ultimately it is up to them they're the owners we're not the owners they can sell it um so but
um you know as long as the state and the town and the um HUD and the owner of it are working together um I think it can be worked out but it depends we don't
know what their plan is for the property so reaching out seems right um seems to me I wouldn't be surprised if they want to maintain it as senior affordable housing units I mean the tenants they're dealing with now are
much easier than dealing with families and kids and all that kind of stuff I mean it's a you know the turnover I imagine is low etc etc but um so I don't know just for a practical from a practical standpoint it would seem to me
they'd want to keep it the way it is but Aon said I don't know anything about it obviously yeah I just know in in Cambridge there was a a building i h on Towers you know h on Towers where the BFW was or BFW is now in Cambridge I
don't know if you're fam on here on app um that was senior housing and and it was done by Hud and and then after they did their 25 years they tossed everybody out and they rent because the rents was so in Cambridge yeah and it became
private yeah and maybe because we're far enough out you know maybe they're like hey let's not rock the boat we're going to keep it the way it is you know but but then sometimes I think because there are no apartments in this area but but maybe but maybe not because we're we're
on the The Fringe of like the Boston real estate market so we're not so they might be yeah let's just keep it the way it is keep it like this and and we'll just keep going but but it might be worth just trying to reach out and talk to someone to find out you know what
their what their thing is if they have a plan I don't know I don't know that's what I think you want me to reach out to someone there I mean well Aaron what did Aaron say earlier that there was a process that we
could go through um for this we're back to Atwood as looking at the property timeline and thinking we should add that to our um thing to
do um so I can look and see what I was looking at or I can try to find it again um what that said how what the process was it could just be having to renegotiate with them and say you know what would it take for us to have these
remain as affordable um I don't know what that conversation would look like um but it's something that we can always we can always also talk to some of our um affordable housing partners and see if they've been through this and what sort
of things we might expect so that we can go in um and not be entirely blindsided but maybe have some ideas for how um to move forward because I think that make it a much easier conversation than going in and saying well what do you guys want to do um than saying you know here here
are a couple of different options that we've considered we've talked to other agencies or other um affordable housing groups that have provided us with you know this is uh um this is our you know this is our
idea this is our plan sort of see where we can where we can go from there okay so um this this could be homework for a new [Music] admin to to you know do a little asking
around it's good way to get into it maybe um so all right thanks Aaron so we'll update we're going to put Atwood Acres maintaining affordability on our
property timeline even under other even though it's not our property it's something that we need to do well like you said you know we in order to get up to 10% we can't afford to lose 4% and start from
zero right or 2% or whatever it is do you have your hand up Aon I do okay um so I wasn't butting in um I just heard back from Anderson um
and they said that the the date of um February 12th is autogenerated and so were those letters that were sent out great oh so they said the DAT is meaningless um it's autogenerated 10
days from the plan submission to DCR so once it was submitted they generated the letter and sent it did they give you an idea Erin as to how long it will be before they expect to start cutting so they have to hear back from DCR um I
believe notification has to go to the Conservation Commission here right um as well as I think there's another step too so I don't think that they'll have a date until at least they hear back from DCR which it could be in a day it could
be in a couple weeks I'm really not sure so they didn't say they had a sense of it right they didn't have any sense of it so how do how do we let the abuts know that that is meaningless or does it
matter um it's I mean you could all uh vote to do another mailing there is a cost to that but so it can't autogenerate just kidding I don't think they'll
autogenerated just kidding letter no um well that's why we need artificial general intelligence because that would do it GI no problem okay so I guess maybe if we take no action on it and nobody hears
anything cutting everyone is fine they'll get another letter I assume when it's for real I assume so I hope so um I have mentioned to them that I want uh them to be properly notifying people of of The
Cutting okay um I assume that this autogenerated letter is not their only notification because that um does not seem um to be enough notice for me at least for my uh wherewithal it would be
good if Anderson added the town to their list of notifications agreed um so that would be good the other thing is I haven't seen the letter so I don't know how it reads but it could say rather than on February
12th maybe it says after February 12th to account for I I don't know how it reads so I'm not sure what the notification um maybe it says we could start anytime after this date um I don't
know so we lost Bob who could tell us is Bob still actually um I forgot to turn myself off and I've been listening uh to see what you guys spend all this time on but um anyway I do have this I could
take a picture and email it to you if you want but let me read it to you yeah does it give a date certain that's the question says this cutting is scheduled to begin on or about the date of February 12 2025 and I've noticed in the area we're
talking about off Wallace Hill there have been people that are mocking off trees with blue tape so it seems like there's some activity being planned soon have they been marking those trees now Bob or was that two months ago recently
last week okay well they started a couple months ago but they were out there again again well they were just anticipating getting the approvals but I don't know if you heard this Bob but it's not going to happen anywhere near the 12th or 133 yeah you're talking
years away and and that's just uh no it's not years away no it's not years it's weeks or months but it's not going to be next week but that's just for you know maintaining the forest I take it right right yeah so that's okay the only problem with that
is sometimes you get tree harvesting companies that just fall the lumber and and um it's you know they leave it there it makes more of a mess but whatever hopefully I would accept I would imagine
Anderson's looking to make some money off of the the timber that they're taking so hopefully they'll take it all no is that incorrect well the slash this the slash you know the Deadfall the T the tips of the trees the the junk
they usually just leave and it it takes two or three years to kind of fold into the well you you know that right yeah they're not gonna they're not going to make it all nice and neat um because they wouldn't make any money if we made them do that all right so basically they're just
going to manage the forest but they could be in you know in a couple weeks or a few months yeah they're just they they don't have permission from the state and then the state has to go to conservation here in town and once all that stuff is done
and approved then they can do it so this this thing you got and all your neighbors got was autogenerated which is kind of ridiculous but that's I guess that's how it works if you want to copy of this i''d be happy to take a picture and email it to you Veronica you know
thank you yeah go go ahead do that because we haven't seen it so let me make sure I get your email correct because there was a lot going on can I get it again it's VK L VK y
Townson ma.gov go all right I'll send it out today thank you thank you I'm jumping off now all right yeah um Aaron what I'm G to do based on our conversation is update this property timeline and I'm going to send
it to you if you could attach that to um DCR that might be good um because I I don't want them to think that we are developing those properties in the next three years and if they took what was on
the website they could um infer that this is being developed and it's not So eventually because that is what it's targeted for by the town but not now so
um well I'm glad you got that email Erin because I wanted I was like what the heck yeah so thank you for that information yeah and it would be good quickly yeah would be good if the property owner was also
informed it could be that there's something sitting in the mail room but I haven't had a chance to go down there today so I don't know yeah who knows okay all right um so that's that piece uh let me find my agenda here on my pile
of papers um anything else on the budget or the timeline I'll I'll update them and I'll send them out to all of you Aaron included
great um all right uh that's the review of the budget everybody got the UniBank statement yes all right um our next meeting uh regular meeting quarterly is scheduled for May
19th um at 1M which is a Monday um if we're going to hear back from Laura and meet again prior to that uh start thinking about we don't have to pick a date right now but start thinking about what um date might work what day of the
week might work um or should you ask her first what works for her yeah and then yeah good suggestion maybe she can give us a couple of choices yeah and because it would be good to meet with her and
I'll talk to Council on Aging and see when they could meet with some subset of us and um and uh talk about a community meeting so that's where we stand um our
quarterly are May 19th August 18th November 17th and as soon as th has a board with a quorum that can meet we'll have a joint meeting so good all right I don't have anything
else does anybody else um no I can't make the meeting tomorrow morning at 8:30 that Network meeting oh yeah that's okay yeah um and and yeah I don't know what else no all
right to be I I like that rendering you know it because it's I think it's it's interesting kind of exciting it's like wow we actually have something but I agree true yeah it's been a long time coming yeah and we just need to get an
RFP and um you know a shovel in the ground before the Wetland delineation Runs Out I think they're good for three years and that was last April so we're coming up on a year from when the uh Wetlands were
delineated out there so just that's uh one of the things Carol Bon had said that MHP is slow and she said Dunstable did their own started doing like their own engineering and
things maybe consider if things you know if things start drag dragging I don't know right you can see I think if we can have an RFP by the Fall we're good you know by October time frame so yeah that
would be good that would be good all right all right is there a motion to adjourn I move to adjourn at 2:41 p.m um is there a second second who made the second second
Beverly Beverly thank you um roll call vote um starting with Beverly uh what are we doing Beverly nap you're goodbye I I to on the motion to okay
I Dave warland on the motion to adour I Cindy boundy to adjourn I and Veronica Cal to adjourn I all right see you guys thank you very that joined us