Call to order the Towns and Affordable Housing Trust at 4:04 p.m. on March 23rd, 2026.
I have a roll call, please. >> Dilly Bounty, present. Ron, present. Beverly Napier, present. >> David Worland, present. >> And we have two guests here. We have two guests. David John. >> David John. Water department.
>> Kobe. >> Hello. >> Kobe Strereer. >> Oh, Kobe Strereer. Present. >> What do you want me to say? >> That works. >> Nice. >> Um I want can I add something? >> Sure.
>> Um so this is um just an update to 1.4 review of minutes. There isn't any date there, but we do have the minutes from 1112 um 2025. Um and you might want to announce Well,
I'll announce the meeting is being recorded on Zoom and it will be posted on YouTube. Is anyone else recording? Okay, hearing none. Um, all right.
Give me a minute to hear this, but I didn't get a chance to the minutes for 11 125. Yeah. I'm going to call to order >> four today. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
I approve. >> All right. So, >> vote >> for a motion. >> All right. I move to approve the minutes for November 12th, 2020. All right. Have a second.
>> All those in favor? >> I >> I >> All those opposed carries. >> Okay. We need a roll call vote on that. >> We are all present in the room. So there's no one remote. That's when
someone's remote. >> Nice to see you all in 3D. >> I know. Okay. >> If you meet if everyone's online or people are online. >> I'm I'm used to it.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You know. >> All right. Um 2.1. Dave, do you want me to talk about that? >> Yes. Um the the way the trust is defined there are four
uh members and one select board representative. So those are the five trustees. I I am the select board representative and my term is up on April 27th. So the I will be resigning
as the select board representative and someone new will be appointed. >> Who who will appoint? >> The select board will appoint another select board member >> and then where do the trust >> board is? >> Uh as far as I know yes. So I'll confirm
that. Um we do have an opening. So I would like to post that opening >> on the for the trust. with that. You're the chair, Dave, so you're probably the one that should post it. Um, work with Sabrina to post the opening on the
trust. Um, and, uh, there, you know, it's a regular posting rule, so needs to be posted for 10 days or something like that, um, prior to appointment. >> All right. And when would be the appropriate time to do that?
>> I would talk to her as soon as she's available. And you know, if you need to work on the posting, you can give me a call. But um and we'll get that posted in. >> Okay. Good with that.
>> Do we need a motion or are we good? >> All right. Um financial statement. I did not receive one. I I requested one. Um so I will try again to get a financial statement. I know we have the $500
from the um encroachment on one of our properties. >> Okay. >> So I know we have that and we are going to need that for registry fees. We also have $6,000 in our budget in the general
government budget um that can be used for other things. So, we'll talk about that further down, but I did not get an official statement >> yet. So, sorry. I did ask for one hour of a week ago. >> Can I ask what happened to the money?
>> Is it still just sitting in an account? >> Um, it is still sitting in our account, which could be why, but it needs to be transferred to general government and it's the monies that are going to be used to pay the back pay. It was voted
at town meeting. um with ARPA funds it's that money. So it's like okay 93,955 or something like that available because we did spend some of the money on staff and and even though we budgeted it
budgeted it every year that doesn't count. So and the advice that we got when we put that money aside um no longer stood at the end for whatever reason. So anyway, that can be used for general
salary because that's how it got reported last spring for the federal government. >> So um we so it's going to be used for the back pay for the police officers that was voted at town meeting on Thursday night.
>> Oh. Um we also we the select board voted to um the the um library staff didn't get the 2% 2% because they were non-union. So we voted to um give them back retropay
>> for that. >> Okay. So it went somewhere. >> Yes, it went somewhere. >> So and there's a little bit more that hasn't been accounted for but not a lot. >> Um So anyway,
>> yeah. So it's there might be 15 to 20,000 left to be distributed however by the end of so it's part of the budgeting process because it can be used for general government salaries.
>> That's what it was reported for. >> So um >> so that's where that went. >> That's where it went. >> Thank you. And they took the interest too. Even though we worked hard to get it in a high interest, we had a son move it
>> from where she had originally put it to a place to get higher interest. >> They took Yeah, they took that too. So they >> but it'll be used. So not a bad thing. >> Let's talk about the water department.
>> Okay. So, thanks to Dave, we have um I'm not sure what this tank analysis is for, but >> that's just telling you what the part of the pro that's we have the tank and that's the and that's the um booster
pump and that's all there's a bunch of projects coming up. >> Okay. So, I'm going to give one of these. Um, can you guys share one? >> Sure. >> I I can run up and get another one.
>> Um, I can copy another one. >> Is this all on the same piece of land, right? That same >> So, the booster pump is on the blood road. The tank is on top of the hill. >> Oh, okay. >> You You ever see the where the police? >> Yeah. That was purchased by the water
department. That whole that 1,200 ft along the road. >> Oh. Oh, okay. That's the water. So, if you go to the third page, there are pictures. I like picture. >> I figured you you want to know what's going on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now, I don't have to put the tank in my
way. I can put the booster pump in. >> Yes. >> So, >> so you probably want to know where we are with the project. >> Yeah. So, that's the that's the booster pump. >> Okay. And that's your that's your piece of land there. >> And that's the tank.
>> And so this is this is >> Blood Road. Bay Road. >> Yeah. >> And then this is the highest point on top. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, I see. This way. >> Okay. Is that Bay Hill, right? >> We go on the top of Baker Hill. The
highest point top. >> Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. So, if you went down this brick store is everything. I get my bearings. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. So the pump station. Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. >> But if you have if you tell me that your
project's going to go in 3 years, the booster pump will be there ready. >> Okay. >> Because I'll I'll make sure it's just because uh there's another another project that may be heading off in two to three years
that is um on Fitzburg Road. >> Okay. That will be needed for for the coastal park, >> right? Yeah. >> And for ours. I mean, that will provide water for our folks, too. Right. >> Right. Yeah. Is it Fitsburg or New Fitsburg? >> It's Fitsburg. So, Route 13.
>> Yeah. This is new. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's See if it's on that. >> Yeah. >> Oh, no. >> It's this piece. >> Oh, I see. Over here. >> This piece. >> Yeah. >> This piece, that piece, and that piece.
>> Wow. So that will also provide water then for the MBTA community. >> Correct. >> Okay. So everything's linked. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So if they told me the same thing that they're ready in two years, I might get them to be able to put put all the water
pipe in. >> Okay. So we are going to talk about the blood road. That's our next thing. But right let me um go through this. See >> that's the that's where the tank pel is. That seems Where's Where is
>> See, that's the the That's the police antenna right there. >> Okay. Okay. >> And we own all the way. It's like 1200 ft. >> It's going to be up on the other side of the property. >> Okay. >> I I just have a question cuz I go ahead. >> Is the pumping station here going to be like the pumping station that's on West
Meadow Road? >> Not Not It'll be a lot like >> Oh. Oh. Well, that's even bigger. Well, we we >> I don't I don't like I can't visualize it might like really big like >> No, it's it's only going to be like 10 by 20 or
>> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> If you looked at it now, we fixed it all up. We painted it. We repaved or the driveway and so it really looks nice. >> Oh, good. Oh, good. Oh, here I'm holding it with five coffees. This is what um
>> more I can make. We need a vote with um that's the my bar and then these are the favorite puppies. >> Um so >> so this gets reported >> that get reported. So um he has to go back to um Adam
>> to and so that's what the $500 of fees. So I >> actually what I told him is that you just give us the bill and we'll pay it. >> The water department will pay for that. >> It's to the Yeah, >> that's that's good. Well, thanks to you.
>> It's it's it's our it's it's our this is all benefiting us. So, if you notice, we put a little um there's a drain ement there because there's a cover going across the street >> with a little bit of wetlands flags in it. >> Yes, they flagged it already. The um
>> so that's why we put this in and we went from 50 to 75 to make sure that we could get at least 50 ft away from the weather flags. >> Okay. Oh, that makes sense. >> So that's why it's it's a little different from >> it's 75 instead of instead of that
instead of >> and we still knit enough. We we knit enough space. >> It's still like it's like 1% of all of the land and >> with the we don't have to meet um zoning.
>> We can be right up. >> Oh set back. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good. because it's a it's a water it's a water public. >> Yeah. >> Oh, good. >> But we'll make sure it it whenever it does it looks good. >> Thank you. >> Okay.
>> Um so I think we should have a motion to record the um the easement with the water department at >> Well, the water department is going to >> Yes. >> Well, no. He's she's going to give it to Adam. The water department's going to
pay for it. Uh, so we need >> um >> So the motion is to have it recorded. >> Yes. >> And to accept as it the amount as it's >> I'm going to tear I'm going to let you do that. You make the motion. You can speak this.
>> Do you want paper coffee? We have several paper coffees here. I could give you each one if you adise more. All right. >> How can we succinctly? You may question. This needs to be identified.
What is the simplest way that I'm looking at this? Um, I I make I make a motion that we record the um plan of land in towns and Mass um
defining the easement that we voted to grant to the water department. Um that was uh the plan was created by Goldsmith Preston and Ringwall Incorporated and show the date
>> on October 8th, 2025. >> Second >> I we have to accept it first. Accept this plan. We've already accepted it. We accept it's just that we couldn't report it until we had
>> because I we had given it to we' already to have it recorded and then Adam told us that he needed to have >> that they wouldn't take it was a handdrawn right the whole thing was >> okay sorry >> I have second
>> all right any other discussion >> all those in favor >> I I >> it's your nana. >> I sorry. >> I heard her. >> You didn't know you were going to come out with that. >> All right. So I will um to Adam and um
we will uh >> I think let's see how long it holding is >> I can make any amount of office you want if you need more.
>> Okay, thank you. I I think that it would be good to have one file is upstairs in a separate office and um >> Do you want to take one of these to file? >> No, no, you can those because I have three here, three paper copies and the
mon. And these can go this. All right. So, we voted so official and in the registry over. All right. So, our next thing, Dave, >> the Blood Road, West Elm Street concept.
>> You want me to talk about that? >> I do. So, in the packet that I sent you guys very late last night, um there was uh an email stream I uh I included
back to JM we had. All right. So when we got the concept in February a year ago, um we had the scope of services from MHP and we had and in that scope of services
they didn't do community outreach. That was up to us. So, we contacted them and others and the JM Goldson was the one that we had settled on because they had a scope of services that included
helping us with a community plan. Now, of course, and and we voted to accept it, but um the funding from ARPA was up in the air at that point, so we didn't act on it. So, was it last week or the
week before I contacted JM Goldson because there there are funds for um this sort of thing in in the budget, the current fiscal year 26 budget that we
could expend by the end of June. And I asked them to update what they had sent us. So, I don't know if you guys got a chance to look at that. >> I do. Um, you did. Yeah, >> there were three there were three separate things with different line
items, amounts of money, >> right? Exactly. One was a virt one virtual public forum for $5,000. We have $6,000 that we can spend on professional services, which is where this falls
under. Two virtual f uh focus groups is $4,000. So it would be one virtual public forum and then two focus groups. That's $9,000 which is more than we have to $7,000. >> The $7,000 was for RFP design which is
the next thing after the community outreach. Um and from from the information that we gained from the community and we have things that we would like to see differently in the concept that they gave us. That concept
tells us we are able to develop affordable housing on that plot using the town's bylaws and the offsets and they've already done the um the flagging of the wetlands etc. that has already
taken place is good for three years. So, we have one more year on that >> that I miss. >> Um, that's Kobe. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think wetland delineations are a three-year time. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> So, it was it's coming up on two years.
It was May I think um like 24 that they did that. >> Okay. >> So, anyway, um RFP design support is 7,000. we could either use have used them or gone back to MHP. MHP does RFP
design as well. And then um proposer interviews and recommendations, reading the proposals and determining what to accept. That was another 5,000. So all total um
theirs was 21,000. Dan Goldson, which is where we had hoped to go, but we didn't have the money to do it. and then the forestry didn't happen and then the land didn't sell. >> So, um, so where we are now is it would
be great to do the virtual public forum, but they came back and said no, they wanted that was too small of a scope. I asked them to update the whole thing. >> We haven't heard back. >> Oh, yeah, we did hear back. >> Yeah, with a no, not doing it. Um, so,
um, I I think maybe if we had said the whole thing, but I said with an eye to the virtual public forum was what I wanted because that's what we have the money for with the hopes that the RFP the the property sells and then we could
do the rest. But if you look at what I put there, there's the JM Goldson package and then there's the mail from JM Goldson um that says, "Thank you so much for reaching out to us again about this project. We talked it over and realized
that the scope of support that we are currently envisioning isn't the best fit for their team at this time." So when if we have a larger scope, we can go back to them but not for just that one piece where I was hoping to say
okay we'll do this now and then we'll do they kind of want the whole not the whole package and we don't have the funds to commit to that reg. So you say the three years is up in June >> the on the wetlandation next June a year June but we still have
another year it was done two years ago >> so maybe >> but our funding is up in June through the general government >> the six the 6000 >> I seems to me that
you know we're we're kind of going on fumes at this point with that we really need a bigger chunk of change and it will come from either the sale of Hannes or the forestry or combination of the two. I I mean >> so you would prefer to wait instead of
going out to the public. Is that what you're saying? >> I think so. And I I'll tell you why. I'm just worried that if we do it peacemail, if we do that and then there's a long gap before we get back into it, it's not going to have the momentum. You you just lose that inertia. I I I'm I don't know.
That's I'm I'm certainly willing to hear other points of view, but that that's my take. >> See, our what they what Laura Shuto told us was that the best time to put out the RFP was August. >> Yeah. >> And so my my intent in in looking at
this again was in trying to get things together so that we could have community meetings by the end of June. and then um and then spend some time working on the RFP this summer to get it out in the
August September time frame. >> Oh, >> that's where otherwise we're probably >> got another year. >> We're looking at another year in which case um the the wetland delineation was funded through our assistance grant with
MHP. >> What was the cost to that? Do you do you have any recollection to to do it do the right lens survey? >> Uh the cost of doing a delineation. >> Yeah. >> I wouldn't know. Yeah. Do you have your ballpark idea?
>> It would be somewhere in the 5 to 10. >> That's range. >> Okay. >> It's a smaller piece of property. >> Yeah. >> And most of the wetlands are off property. Um the wetlands are off property. the it's the buffer zones that are within property and most of them
where your easement is. >> So So it's that that corner the culbert on the other side and then the very there's an old old looks like a farm drainage ditch. >> Did we walk there? >> We did.
>> Yeah. on the the the ditch is on the other side of the wall, but the buffer is just just a tiny bit within the wall. So on the property itself, they didn't find any we
did it in the spring and it was pretty wet when they did that. So um anyway, so that was my thought. Um, I was going to suggest that I give Laura Shefelt a call. >> Sure.
>> She's with um >> MHP, our MHP consultant. >> Yeah, >> too many laws. I know hard with S's. >> I'm sorry. >> Give her a call and see if they could suggest someone other than
um Goldson, Jim Goldson, who could perhaps give us a some sort of idea of what it would cost to have a consultant help us with this.
>> I don't know. or and they have other names. I mean, >> MRPC wasn't really >> any money. >> We have $6,000. And so, can we go down to the next bullet,
>> which is the RFP for Hayes Road that will be posted by Friday. >> And so, that means that we could have money. >> We could >> um in which case I would go back to Golds for a quote. you know, hopefully by our next meeting
or so, we'll know. So, um, that's another option, but just to get more, you know, someone who would be willing to just do I I understand what you're saying about having it grind to a screeching halt because that's exactly
where we've been for the last year, but that's been because of lack of funding >> and of course, it didn't happen and won't happen till next fiscal year. now. >> Yeah, I understand that. >> So, >> well, can we >> is it worth it or do you just want to
wait? >> I'm good either way. I I see both possibilities. >> But I'm afraid that if we wait, our RFP for for water is point our RFP won't be
up in August. It will be another year. Well, I I putting something on hold again. Seems like this committee is always on hold. >> We were running. >> I know. >> And now it's at a standstill. And so why
don't we I don't know exactly what your objection is to >> What are you trying to log Hero? >> No, we're trying to develop Oh, Hannes Road. We're trying to sale. >> We're selling the We have two pieces
with furniture on Hannesburg. One of them is a three plus a month. >> There's one big big huge one >> and then there's the big huge that's what we're foresting is the big huge. It's in play. We have to look at the contract with the forester because I
think the dates are now I think we would be good by the end of this fiscal year but we might have to redo it for next fiscal year. So Hannes and South Row >> are our two largest properties but they're the two hardest to develop.
There's no town water on Wallill >> with that property. Yes. Where >> goes right right by it. It's within a couple within 100 feet. It goes all the way up Wallace Road. >> Does it go out Hannes Road beyond?
>> Is that the Which one's the one with Trophy on it? >> That's H. >> Yeah, it goes up the road >> all the way to Peril. >> Goes to go goes to >> trophy. Right. Right. if I >> it would have to be extended to get to us cuz we met with board of health.
>> Yeah. But there's one >> about this and they told us no. >> No, they can tie right into it. >> And we were told that we had to if we were going to >> you and I met with um our cons our agent, our board of health agent.
>> Yeah. >> Water is right across the street. Well, >> because the right across the street is Trophy Trophy. >> In that case, we don't want to forest that, right? >> If that's developable, we were told it
wasn't. We would have to the most number of houses we could put on there was 11 if I remember correctly. I know it's in front of me. >> Without putting in our own water supply, our own water department, so to speak. >> But no one asked me that question. And I
I'm >> No, we didn't ask you. He talks to the >> That's why that's why I'm here because of getting any. So there's one of them. There's an 8 in line that goes up Hayes Road to Trophy and go go goes all the way down to Ander Trophy.
>> So it would have to be extended beyond Trophy. >> Well, your your top property is right across the street. >> No, that's the small one that we're selling, >> right? >> The other one is farther down. >> Yeah, it's only a couple hundred feet. It's not it's not if you're building 20 or 30 houses, it's not
going >> well that changes things, >> right? >> And MHP also looked at the properties and for feasibility, right? >> Which is why we picked the one that we have >> and I looked at the elevation and all the way up the hill water can be given
to every every house on that property. So, if that's the case, we don't want to forest because you can't forest the property prior to developing it. >> Oh. >> Um, >> according to the DCR people that I talked to >> and it's the same thing with South
>> I know people do it all the time, don't they? Here in town. >> South has >> Yes. M but I'm >> because I put it up there last year >> this up >> and I put it up there but it ends is is it does it >> goes right to South Row where we want to use it. >> Yes.
>> South Row has both ends. The problem with South Row is the wetlands on that piece of property >> and the buffers it makes South Row more difficult >> to not as cost effective. >> Right. But I put the I put the one main on that side of the road.
>> Both sides, >> right? But on that side of the road >> so that we don't have to go across, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And they would cut down costs in the future for you. >> We have access from both sides. From South Row Road and whichever Timberly Park Road it is that
>> you just have to acquire the two water department pieces that are on the other side. >> We have to what? >> The water department owns the two pieces that border Hickory. Okay. Yeah, >> but I offered it to you before.
>> Are you sure we don't go through there? >> The water department owns the end of Hickory and the big um the 6acre lot to the left of it. >> Huh. Okay. >> But you can have it. >> I thought there was a piece there that went straight to us. >> If you want to add it to your piece,
that's fine. >> We'll we'll have to look at the maps. But in any of them, that's why we were foresting those two instead of developing. >> Right. So it is a town owned property. >> All right. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I just want to make it clear that
>> if you want those two pieces to be part of that, >> right? >> So developing precludes clearing the land. In other words, if we want to develop we can't >> that's why we didn't forest blood road
because they said if you are develop you can't do a cut within 5 years of developing the property. >> What is the thinking? Yeah. What's the reason? >> That's what they told me. >> What? >> But but I >> heard that regular. >> I
>> I think we need to revisit that. That sounds crazy. >> Do that. >> I know because >> and who do we talk to about that guy? >> So anyway, so that's where we stand with
this. Um the probable timeline for forestry is a year out but maybe we want to maybe that's good that that didn't get done if in fact you know >> but I I would I you know this is just kind of focus on one or two
pieces >> that's they told us to use the small one that which is what we have for blood row they said focus on that one this was MHP >> and learn how the process works and and
develop that one and get a successful um you know workforce development community. >> Well, this goes back to Dave wanting to know a timeline. That's what we got to figure out is as long as I know what's going on, I I'm fine cuz it's it's
water. It's the pipes in the ground. It's going to stay there. And I've set a lot of things up for you guys. >> Mhm. you know, putting the water man on the right side of the road and the booster popping. >> Thank you. >> You know, so you know, if I know what's
go going on, I can steer things in in the right direction. >> Uhhuh. So that's Well, that's where we are. So Blood Road is what we have the concept for, and it's what we worked with MHP. It was the one that they recommended. Okay, I'm putting this
reason. >> I thought it was me. I think I think 13 messages. >> In any event, um it's uh it's if it's not this year, it will be next year for
the RFP, right, for blood road. Would be really nice to get it out there this year. It really would be. And um >> I know I I would >> And we do have money. We do have to consider
>> um the Wallace Hill Hannes piece. >> Yeah. >> If in fact there is water. That's >> Yeah. So there's trophy. >> Yeah. >> Right. Right there. >> Mhm. >> This is the 3acre parcel. >> This is the other parcel.
>> So that 3 acre parcel might have water accessible to it >> across the street. Directly across the street. >> Okay. Uh there >> I think it's a big difference when it takes >> is Karen still here
>> is doing the RFP. Um >> um >> and the other one's town water's 3 400 ft away. >> So that's that's nothing. >> You could get water into that whole pelacre piece directly across the street.
>> That's right across the street. Wow. H. Okay, let me see. >> It's an 8 inch man, so it's plenty of water. >> Plenty water. >> We'll see if he comes down. >> Um, it's RFP consideration. Um,
we might want to word things differently in the RFP if there's town water that we're trying to sell. >> Absolutely. >> It's much more valuable. >> Yeah. and water across the street >> and it can be just tapped into. >> Yep.
>> And it's easy to put your septic in and it it's everything. >> Yeah. Because you don't have to have the 100 ft. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Cuz I'm just 100 yet, right? >> Nope. >> Good. Wow. >> But that's what that's what I came here for to make sure that
>> Thank you. you get the proper >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because that's like a like that change changes a lot of things actually. >> Yeah, it does. >> It probably double the price of the of the value of the land. >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
>> Oh, thank you. >> The width of the road. That's all you have to know. >> And I'm gonna call it to see you. >> Great information. Thank you guys. Uh, >> all right. So, >> you know, so I mean, I would say this. I I I'm not I'm not against the idea of
getting a consultant and starting this thing, but I think now that we know what we just learned, maybe we want to see where the RFP goes first. No, because we might be we might be able to do a much broader program,
you know, from the venue whether it >> Hey, howdy. >> Hello. >> Dave just left. >> Okay. But he gave us some very interesting news. >> Okay. >> On Payne's Road, >> he said Trophy Trophy AB is right across the street.
>> Town water is there and you can just tap into it >> for that parcel that we're trying to sell. >> But it would be the buyer responsibility to do that to find this dove and go from there. >> Yeah. But it would be but it makes
>> it it has accessible town one. >> So the fact that it's there also means you could put a 55 plus housing unit there. >> That's correct. >> So for every quarter acre would be one housing unit. >> You could put 12 houses there. >> You could little cottages. Yeah. >> So that's
So do we want to develop it instead of selling it to a developer? We don't have any money. He also said that we could have town water extended down the road and develop Haynes Wallace Hill. You know, the big
piece of property that we're going to forest. >> Yeah. >> Maybe we don't want to forest it. >> Well, you have to forest it at some point. >> They DCR told me that if we were going to cut if we were going to cut that and then develop it within 5 years, they
wouldn't approve the forestry plan. Isn't that nuts? >> I'm not making that up. >> Why would that in writing? >> I know. Well, I think we have reason that counter land and then turn around
calling them. >> Is it 61 land? >> What? >> It's not 61A. >> It's not 61A land. No, it is not. >> Um, >> makes no sense. >> When were my conversations with him? I run them down. Um,
I'd have to >> You could also ask Kyle from like the harvesting group like what happens. May maybe he knows but he might just be a cutter. >> The Well, DCR has he's just a cutter. >> Yeah. >> DCR has to approve the plan before you do it. Our two plans got approved.
>> Yeah. >> And it was contingent on no development within five years. >> And for what it's worth, like development may take five years anyways. taste of it. >> That's why we went ahead with that. Yeah. >> Which is because our focus was blood
rug. >> Yeah. >> And still is at the moment. But yeah, you're right. You could put a 55 and over right there >> with town and especially if you have town water across the street. You have to have >> Yeah, the town water actually makes it
very feasible based on on how our bylaws are written, >> right? Because you have to have town water 55 an hour. Correct. And then it's one house per every border acre or one cottage would be actually the proper wording. >> Mhm.
>> If you will. So, >> does this change the RFP? That's why I asked you to come down. Does this information change the RFP? >> I didn't know there was water there. >> We didn't. >> We didn't either. >> I know. It It should affect the value to
some degree, though. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, cuz part of it wet in the back, but you let's say you have two acres, you could have what's 2 * 4? You could have eight 55 plus housing units in there. >> It's wet a little bit in the front, too.
>> Yeah. But they just, you know, they work with conservation and different groups to figure out, do you need a replication zone like how to get, you know, a roadway? >> Yeah. >> Under our Bible and what's been allowed in the past. Correct. You can there's access. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um,
>> that would be what that might be a better use of your $6,000 in professional services >> to do what? >> To truly speck out an RFP for 55 plus housing.
That's trust run. You could the trust could run its own 55 plus housing there with the housing authority. Well, the housing authority would run the we could develop >> if there is a housing authority. >> Well, there there is, but I mean that way.
>> All right. Cuz I saw yourself been a little confused. Yeah. So, instead of doing Blood Road, we would do Hannes Road. >> You could do them all to be honest. >> Well, I know we can do them all, but we don't have any money. Number one, I think we should I think we should focus
on >> a horse and it >> I think so. Is that what we're thinking about doing? Or or or or just the question of how much would having town water
available to that lot, how much would that enhance the sales price? I mean, I I think it because it's going to make it a lot easier to get a septic in there. And >> the fact we had no bids to me kind of tells me that it's not going to change it much. >> Really? No, I would think it would. If
you were to look at what's going on in the housing market for new construction in this area, it is not much. >> It's the cost of building is so high right now >> that >> I mean what's nice about putting the RFP
out is you don't you're not obligated to take an offer. So if you don't get one, >> but we need to get some more people in the running more than anything. >> Um I I feel like a Debbie Downer now, but like I mean I think it's just
>> you know do you think so Karen go back upstairs but >> I thinking >> no but then on the other >> you could you could re I could reward parts of the RFP to say
>> you know because we're not we're not going to give anything to a developer if they do 55 plus housing. This is purely a money a money task for the trust to get funding for another for a bigger project. >> Yeah. >> So I think it's sort of the eye on the
ball is let's get some money in the in the coffers here and then use that to go down the road you know let the let the harvester do their cutting on the wall of sill parcel and then say okay three years from now we'll start the application process for a bigger 55 plus housing
>> you know concept. Um, that would be one way to sort of look at it. >> But, >> um, I maybe we what we have and let them figure out there's t water across the
street. >> Yeah. >> I think you should say it though in the RFP that >> possibility of possibility. Yeah. >> Possibility of town water accident. No, no, no, no, no. There is town water. >> Water access to town. >> There is access to town water across the street. And
>> that's what Dave just told us. >> Yeah. >> Which was kind of a shock, especially because we met with Rick Madcap. Dave and I did >> um before, you know, when we were figuring out what to do and he said, "Oh, no. You can't, you know, you can't
do it there. No town water. You can't do it on Wallace Hill." >> Do the other residents on that street know there's town water there? Like have they all stuffed really >> because like >> I know I mean I don't know did it go in when they when >> trophy went in
>> you know so maybe that's >> you know and maybe some people get if they've already been sitting there but I think if somebody was going to develop a lot >> of land Yeah. >> You know if you say yeah we have this piece of land and there's absolutely nothing there good luck to you. >> Yeah. But there has to be some value in
saying there we have this piece of land. There's nothing there. But you know what? Right there you can hook up to >> it. But I would probably just as a trust you'd want to determine, do we want to infuse our plans with funding
or do you want to retool the goal for just that one parcel? That's probably the question you have to ask. Yeah. >> And and you've sort of been thinking all along that you were going to sell that parcel because we thought, all right, single family home, you know, >> off we go and then use the rest to build
a bigger plan. >> I still think that's the way we want to go. >> Yeah. You mean stay on the course? >> Yeah. But just Yeah. >> Well, it may not be a single family home. It may be, >> you know, like it could be how many
little houses you could put what? several >> stack maybe six little cottage style houses which would be a cute little culde-sac pull in. >> Yeah. >> Could be great for you know 55 plus housing >> and let you know someone sell them off for 400k each and call it a day.
>> That helps that helps the town in a variety of ways. It also helps the trust continue a bigger plan moving forward. >> Um which I think was probably the intention one way or the other. Like, you know, you can certainly add in
that there's town water there and sort of I would still keep your threshold at the 104 or whatever the tax assess value is and go from there. >> Okay. All right. We have we have Kobe here. I just remembered I said 4:30,
right? >> You want me to dash? >> Are you going to be really next half hour? >> Yes. Till about 5:15ish and then I dash. But I can come back down. I'll leave my handy. >> I know. I wonder.
>> All right. Yeah. Come on up, little baby. >> So, tell us what you're thinking. >> Sure. >> It's not our property. >> I know. I know. I wish. >> So, I guess I I should say start off by saying I I realize I have on there the
conservation. I think there's a few bit outside of my role. So, >> Oh, all right. >> as a res. >> All right. >> But, um, okay. So, I have a a housing idea and like I said, uh, is not owned
by the housing authority. Um, it's a little gravity, but it's worth considering, I think. Um >> yeah that's these four properties here
that are outlined in red. Um they are properties map parcel IDs are 27560 27571 27480 and 26312. Uh and the disclaimer here I guess I'm
not I'll say I'm not a builder in any way. So there are things that I don't realize about them, but what I do see here is that there's about 40 acres there of all town owned. Um they are the
entrance way to the highway department uh property. uh the property that the highway department buildings are on a property behind there that is been I recently learned that um is
been transferred to Park and Cemetery and >> which one have been >> the one with the wetland on it next to right adjacent to the uh cemetery. This parcel, this whole parcel >> that is Yes.
>> This is all cemetery. >> Uh, as far as I understand, uh, from >> I remember when we transferred it. I just wasn't I didn't go looking up. >> And there's there's a real small property there as well. It's not an acre
in size. >> Yeah. You will notice that uh all three properties together you have access to 119 Highland Street and Old Meeting House Road. >> Um which would um you know you could
provide improved vehicular traffic through town using the the um intersection there at 13 and 119. Um uh but also, you know, there's a several connections that can be made um
nonvehicular connections to the center of town with a little bit of um creativity. There's possibilities there to connect to through the cemetery property or an
agreement to connect to the Oak Street area. Um and on the other side the connections can be made to the land trust and conservation areas. Uh some of the difficulties like I said is um the is the agreement already made
with the cemetery and park uh department. uh the highway department traffic uh along with the drainage area um on the entrance way there uh noted by 177 um Main Street. Um
what else? What else can I say? A lot of this is wet, right? >> Nope. uh the wetland right here. Um >> that is the wet area, but the soils there are uh you know the types are 422C
harbor 259B and they're both well drained sandy soils. There's a little bit of slope to the area, but nothing that's um doesn't mean it doesn't allow uh building out just
>> I think that the the back parcel the one with the entrances on Highland >> I that parcel was voted a town meeting to go to cemetery and parks.
>> Okay. for for future expansion of the cemetery. So I don't think it's a possibility. Um unless cemetery were to come to us and say and I'm these little yellow lines that go through those are streams, correct?
>> Little yellow lines. >> Oh, sorry. Uh >> you see the yellow lines. >> Those are topography. Those are contours. >> Are you sure? >> Are we talking about here? >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like this one here. >> Yeah, >> that's a contour.
>> Are you sure? >> Yes. >> Cuz I looked at these last night. Okay. If that's a contour fine, >> but um and and there wasn't it's not priority habitat. It's not, you know, there the wetland was that big piece of
blue and I didn't realize this was the piece that went to the cemetery. I I don't think I mean, not that you couldn't put houses on that, you could. Um, so that back piece, this back here would be a possibility, but it's already >> sanitary.
>> It's already designated. It It can be changed, but I'm not going to ask to change it, I guess, is where I'm coming from. The other parcel is the highway department parcel. >> Okay. >> And I don't see that being, >> which is where where it's at on here.
>> It's next to the land trust piece. Yeah. >> This here. Yes. >> I I >> That's highway department. >> Yes, that's the highway department. Which one? >> No, it's on the other side of it. >> This right here. This is the highway. >> Show me where the highway department.
>> So, this is 119. Correct. They enter the roadway goes up through here to the buildings and they're >> uh No, because here's Gley Road. >> Highway department's on this side of Gley Road. Uh well it's a little
confusing list of it. This is listed as Gley Road but there's another Gley road down here that's listed as Gley Road. So this triangle >> old meeting house park road comes in here. >> Okay. I kept looking at this as reference and it was refused.
>> Yeah, that that is wrong. But >> but th this is the highway department. >> Okay. >> This is the highway department >> where these buildings are. M and >> this is how you burn this. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Got it. >> I understand the complications. Yeah, I really do. But
>> I mean this runs right in the center of town >> right to here from the back corner of the the back line of the um land trust property. There's a trail that you can walk right to here. >> Yeah.
>> Um it's it's very nice. Um, but it's not um >> I have never been up here. Um, you know, I don't know what the the highway department buildings and things look like, but I do like that this is in the
center of town. >> So do I. >> And if you're doing like 55 and older, you know, um, it's very convenient, >> you know. I because I kind of see that as a negative on our other things. We have what we have, but but this is in
the center right now. >> This would be a perfect location. >> It sure would. >> But it's not it's already taken is what I'm saying. >> Town entities >> by town entities. So if um town
properties, I would talk to them. I would talk to the planning board. um if they're willing to say, "Yeah, this is the place for and the housing authority who does the housing master plan." Um
this isn't on the radar. It makes sense. It's a great location because of walkability, >> um the whole bit. >> And I guess I say the center of town is
really kind of chopped up. There's a lot >> it's how it kind of >> organic process. >> Anyway, >> um I it's a good idea. >> That's really, you know, we're still
>> forthought and guidance to the development area. You'd really create a wonderful neighborhood. >> You'd have to you'd have to re you'd have to cut it off here somehow, you know. I don't know if I cut it off and
and leave this for the highway department because that's not moving. >> So, Highland, would Highland be the entry point? >> Highland meeting. >> Yeah. >> Does it have to? You can't share that driveway
>> and go in and go out. I mean, I don't know what those buildings look like. I don't know. Like, >> but you have the snow plows coming in and out. >> I know what those buildings look like. Well, there let's let's be truthful here, though. I mean, Dave and I live two hours away from this byway garage
entrance, and there's very little traffic on that road, truth, >> except during a snowstorm or something, you know. So, >> uh, but I don't know how happy they'd be about sharing that road with >> Yeah.
>> subdivision, if you will. Yeah. I I don't understand this probably there would for this even to be a consideration there'd have to be meandering different groups. >> Do you have any idea there are on on mass map where there are uh distancing
tools distance from this wetland? >> Sure. So the what the buffer would look like. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um the I wish I had a scale in here. I can um but the scale um of about 100 ft
>> it's about the width of my finger coming up. >> Yeah, that's what I so this is not developable roughly um you know so that that's the trail. This is where I would cut it off because
you you can see where the the if you go uh if you go online and you look at these, there's some sort of buffer or hill. >> It's a hill >> right here that look manmade. Looks like it's man-made. >> Yes.
>> Of stuff like right here. >> Yeah. >> Um uh you would want to stay away from that. Um, >> it seemed to me that there was enough area for a roadway in front of it, but again, I'm not a builder. I work for the
building department. >> It's interesting. >> Say that it's out there on radar. >> Thank you. >> Hope we're going to get really excited. >> I know. I I think it's a good location. I
>> maybe when the weather gets a little nicer out maybe sometime in like >> gourmet, >> you know, I want to take a ride up. >> This this to me is this is what's interesting is back in here. >> Yes. And that's >> and then maybe you got a way in and out
here and a way in and out here. >> Exactly. >> You see what I mean? >> I agree with you. >> Like that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I agree. in the back. I will say, boy, there are not many
parcels, properties, areas like this, like near to the center of town that develop. >> I I know. >> No, hold on. >> All right. inclusionary zoning can I
have done nothing with anybody else okay we we want to meet with the planning board at some point to discuss that I think especially given that new group whatever that >> yeah I was not privy to that conversation we don't have it now or
later I don't know what you guys are talking about out in the hall but something to do with this you know >> who >> no I wasn't. No, you >> Oh, Lori. Lori. Lori. Lori. >> Lori. She was just talking me about
being a member of the economic development. >> Oh, that's not to do with this. >> Okay. Forget it. >> Yeah. No, but you know what? She talked about it though. >> Yeah. >> You know, so that's >> I I brought that up. I really did want
that. But anyway, I I think it's something to meet with the planning board about in the future, not something that I'm putting at the top of my list. >> I know. Can I Can I ask Can you I just need some Yeah. All right. Not to make
everything up. Can you tell me what we're supposed to be doing with it? >> We need a bylaw. We have a >> Didn't we pass? >> No. Um we uh we proposed one when Aaron was our housing person. We proposed an
inclusionary setting, but it wasn't it needed a lot more work and it it just kind of swivel. >> Okay. >> Um we have a voluntary inclusionary zoning >> which means that if the developer wants
they could you know do 25% affordability but it's not required and the planning board has never required it of anybody. And so what this would do is either um compel someone to make a
portion of a development inclusion, >> okay, >> or affordable >> or pay an amount to the town >> for the purpose of developing affordability. >> And given what Kieran said about the market right now and building costs, it
would seem to me that that's that's kind of a feudal, >> right? So anyway, but we should talk to the planning board. >> Sure. >> And if you're going to go and change bylaws for um which is what the committee that Lori asked people to be
on um for um mixeduse housing. It to me it makes sense that there's an affordability component to that somehow built in >> into the by an inclusionary piece built in.
>> Yeah, I I think so. Um, so anyway, >> okay, >> we can move this to a discussion of a different meaning. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Later meeting. >> Okay. >> All right. The next one's >> that's on there just because I don't
want that to get lost. It's not our responsibility. It's the housing authorities's responsibility, but I don't know what they're doing. So, >> I know. And you know what? That's an important thing and and you don't know like like where real estate thing is but
I know like where real estate values are higher. A lot of places that took these things once they could get out of their HUD loans they became undervalued. >> So the HUD loan expires in 2029 which is coming up.
>> Yeah. And maybe they have no no plan to do that but you're absolutely right on check it. >> Yeah. Um, so anyway, Atwood Acres, the affordability expires because the HUD loan is paid off in 2029. So, what
happens to that property? >> So, there's that. All right. Um, the timeline, I just wanted to review that with you guys. Did you get a chance to look at it? >> I did the budget and the timelines.
I think I have You have two copies. You have you have my name, right? >> I printed it out. >> I know. I thought I saw it. >> I printed out one. >> You didn't print that out. As a matter
of fact, >> did I not send it as a PDF? Well, it did come as a PDF, but when I went to print it, it showed like this much of it. >> Oh, it's teeny teeny >> again. Something cuz I don't have it either. >> But I remember seeing it was >> okay. like 50,000 and then the next year
it's only 20,000 plus next year it's back to 50,000. >> Yeah. >> I was going to ask you Ronnie how how you came to that >> uh in the budget. >> Mhm. >> Oh, I thought we'd have money by then.
That's how I came to that. >> Okay. And you know, given what Dave Fan said, maybe we will. >> So that's how I lottery tickets. So, this is the budget that I turned in for us. Not that it's in the general government because it's not, nor should it be.
>> Yeah. >> Um, it it was in this past year only because the Arbor money was withdrawn. >> And so, that's why we have the 6,000 professional services. >> Okay. >> Um,
but anyway, uh, this is what I turned in for what we're doing. So FY27 our sources of income are forestry sale of the Hanes road property the CPA which really won't be till the next year and
question on inclusionary 75 funds. So that's those are our sources of funding. Okay. >> Um and so this doesn't really need changed. We'll look at it again this time next year see where we are. But the time the
property timeline I was going to take I had under FY26 which is what we're currently in Habitat for Humanity exploration for the Hannes property small property. This is going to go RFP for sale.
I'm going to update that. >> Okay. >> Uh Blood Road um I'm moving out RFP for development to FY27 for both of those. And that's the only thing I have. >> Yeah. No, that's >> Does that make sense?
>> Yeah. >> And and then we'll publish it on the website for our new timeline. And I was going to put Forest Cut under FY27 for the two South Row and Haynes Road properties. >> Yeah, that's given we learned today,
there's some thinking about that >> about the road. Yeah. >> Yeah, I think so too. I think so too. So, all right. Well, I'll make I'll make changes and I'll email it to you guys and then we'll >> Okay. >> before we put it up on the website.
That's it. So, the only other thing is um next meeting >> I put date I threw dates out >> and I didn't know if they were um good dates or not good dates.
>> Let's see. I made them up. >> April 30. >> That's a Thursday. >> Oh, I have I have negotiations. I can do 400 p.m. on that day. >> What day?
>> Thursday, April 30th. We could look at >> You're You're done on the 27th. >> I am. You're right. We can do the 30th if you want. >> I wanted to give enough time for the RFP to >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> to be out there and I didn't know exactly what I can I can I could do either one. >> Yeah, I can too. I'm >> the 30th. Yeah. >> Yeah. You want to do the 30th? >> I mean, really, it's a matter of if the RFP has done anything. I don't know what
else really is. And then maybe we if we have a I don't know if we'll have a chance to walk any of these properties and kind of you know revisit them >> particularly given the water situation. It might be >> I know
>> it'll be a good thing to do. Um >> on the 30th >> 4:00 anybody should be here. >> Okay. And then I put a tenative May 28th.
>> Well, let's let's talk about that on the 30th. >> Okay. >> I mean, at this point, I could do it. Could you? >> Oh, it's my damn birthday. >> May 28th. >> Oh, it's your birthday month. >> Yeah, it's your birthday month.
>> May 31st is my birthday. So all always Memorial Day weekend which was used to be on the 30th that time was my birthday. So now my birthday starts on the the legal u Memorial Day and then ends on the 31st.
>> Okay. So we'll revisit we will revisit revisit but we'll say the 30th 4 p.m. >> All right. And then I the other was June community meeting possibility and then do we want to have a joint meeting with um >> housing
>> housing? >> Is there housing? >> Is there housing? >> Housing right now is Natalie and Jack and um Irene is on until the vote on April 27th.
>> So Natalie and Jack are still >> as far as I know. Yes. I think maybe in May. You say that because maybe we'll have something to really Yeah. >> talk to them about, right? >> Unless they unless they'd like to meet with us. I mean,
>> they want us to meet with them. >> Is this a Saturday? >> No, 28th. >> Oh, 28th. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, u those are both questions and we'll leave them as questions until our April 30th meeting. Correct.
Mhm. >> So, um I move that we adjourn 5:15 p.m. >> Time second. >> All those in favor? Hi. Hi. All right.