there today is Tuesday March 11th 6: pm today Board of Health meeting members and board of Selectmen via Zoom uh let's do the roll call uh Christian Roman Ramirez chairman Charles Serene Vice chair James
ler what any additions deletions there is under additions there is one item it's the Region 2 preparedness um it's a fep grant um
where the nishoba Board of Health has the authority to attend the meetings on your behalf and it is important for the chairman to sign that letter which should be right there yep I have it rick do you have anything to add to
that nope that was the the only thing um so that's just to allow uh kaen and Jim to represent towns in for the voting um so you guys are putting in a request for the quarter 4 uh eat request so Ken will be there to uh represent the town and
and vote in favor um do we need to vote on this um Carla or no no you just need to sign the documentation there okay okay already signed it
okay um I wanted to move if possible 1.5 since um we still have time for the board of of Selectmen to um to join at
6:15 so that we don't have too much time on Rick on online if it is possible do we agree on that I agree I agree okay so let's move on one 1.5 56 Bayberry heill Road variance request for side side
property setback for a well uh my name is John Richie um I own 56 bab Hill um I'm proposing to drill a new well on the property and get rid of the existing Doug well uh skillings is
going to be the contractor drilling the well um and I'm applying for variance because the new well is going to meet all the setbacks that town has um except for the side property setback that'll be at 10 ft um it's going to be closest to
the quar acre partiel next door which is owned by Steve currently a nonconforming lot so it's unbuildable but the new well is going to be the 100 feet from the leech field which the old well is not and then it'll also
be 15 ft from the New Foundation um which the current uh well is is only six um so it'll it'll be improving all the setbacks except for that side setback which is why I'm here for the
mar re any input right break the palm tree see sorry guys I was uh going through an area with some bad service um so I think I John uh kind of introduced everything
to you uh So currently it's a a dug well right next to the house uh that previously existed prior to the installation of the septic system uh the septic system was cited to kind of uh offset the the difference between uh the
the Wetland and the existing dugwell um so so that's shown on the plan that I have provided for you uh and then the like Jack said the um the new well is proposed to meet the full 100 foot offset off of that uh leeching area uh
but does require reduction to the side property line uh to to be able to to accomplish that and um the the property next door is vacant it's it's used as like a greenhouse um for for I think
they sell mostly flowers and plants um but it's it it doesn't have a poble water supply on it it doesn't have a septic system on it and so uh it seems like a a reasonable request to to gain maximum feasible compliance comments I make a motion to
accept that so we can go forward I second the motion all in favor say hi hi hi it is approved thank you very much chairman you could also go through the invoices if you'd like at this time where you still have a few
minutes sure let's go over the invoices 1.8 for hours um if you want to go over invoices we just have to sign the first page correct Carla first page it has all the vendors
it has the invoice number the account that they're coming out of in the amount if you have questions on any of them I'd be happy to answer um Carla can you sh well not yet but I see the the solid and waste
the Amazon order is for the Earth Day things that we talked about that we needed that we were going to get right Carla yes those are the green trash bags that you give out to the residents to clean the roads the third and second and third week of
April okay and what says here for clothing what is that for um that is a clothing allowance that I am allowed and I was looking for some um heavy jeans to wear in the rain and also some um shoes
that I could slip on so in case I was wearing a different type of shoe and I needed to get to the recycling center where it is very muddy right now it would just be good they're they're almost like the rubbers that we have when we were kids she told this has been an ongoing thing that we've done all the
time yeah okay okay you got several the sign here no just the first page okay so 1.6 discussion on the first and second
generation Roden Roden rodent sites continue on 325 um food permit 1.7 updates continue on 48 okay um
let's see um let's while we wait for the select board people to come in let's go let's go move for with 1.9 minutes of January and February that's going to be continued on 3:25 okay um Earth Day and townwide
cleanup discussion continue on 3:25 you you do have Irene there if you'd like to have her talk about it for a few minutes it's going to be on the agenda until the the time comes and if you can talk talk to us more about um Earth Day and town white
cleanup discussion yeah it's April 26 Saturday at the high school from 10: to 3: um we you guys already approved and the board our board is already approved as well the Porta poty and the we have two porta potties one regular one
handicapped and um Bill only went up $30 so that was great um the and the police detail for four hours they leave at two they do not stay the whole time because if they stay for till three then they
make it for another four hours so only and and most people at the end straggle so most people are at the 10 to two time the third is really the people that are work you know that are there right so that we don't need the police detail as
they're walking around all right um we have added it's great we need to keep up publicizing for um paper shredding so it's just so wonderful that we have the realtor in town that pays for that which is great s Sedano Sedano okay and uh so that's a
great thing we also get a credit for that with d so it's great to have paper Shing and it helps the residents because we don't want it in the recycling bin because it's like in Vetti at the recycling center so we wanted people to paper shred there at the event um we
have bottles and cans we and we have now the what you just tell is the can Taps we're collecting for Shriners we have um all the textiles with the Lions Club so every different department and we're working with the
Rotary Club to hopefully they might come to take Mobility items but that's still in the works uh our Focus this year is on owl saving the owls and so that's one of your discussions that you're going to go over is talking about renti side because
what happens is is pills work really good they really work on the mouse and even when the mouse dies the owl eats the mouse and then the owl dies and then the owl dies and then we have a dead owl in the woods and other animals and it gets into our ground so we're a cycle
it's we're having a cycle that there's Alternatives she has a good cat have a couple cats go on things we have goats that can clean out yards we have owls that can clean out mice and rats I think we uh can start some supportive Alternatives as well as very
unique stuff of that people don't talk about is they actually have wonderful pellets that the mount the the rodents would eat and then they become infertile so that reduces their population so it's just one of those
things of just giving them birth control I I like that that's very very interesting so there are some really creative ways and we just always and we promote and really um with nishoba Board of Health too there's actually a requirement to have these at different
places so even around town hall around the restaurants is all this chemicals and we need to address that more so that's what you're going to discuss on the 25th and that's the promotion is we've been kind of talking about this a year in town and so now it's hopefully
we can make some changes with the Board of Health and get the publicity of people aware about saving our owls and is this something that people buy at the hardware store both so it's a requirement of the Board of Health and and the showa Board of Health if you have a restaurant or if you have animals
or if we find that you have an issue you got to call the company and they have to give you these chemicals and but there are alternatives and maybe we should be promoting that more because of our health yes we don't want rodents there are ways of keeping a place clean getting the food waste out
quick um so we'll be talking about those options as well okay and um it's a fun event we already have 60 booths that have already paid so we've already paid for ourselves even though we asked you to what you said yes to the bill you said yes to the bill when the bill comes we're going to give you more money than
those two bills okay because I think all together it's $600 is our thing and I think we already have like 2,000 so we're one of the best programs of the thing we pay for ourselves and give you more and I pay for ourselves and give you more
that's good I had proposed um Carla you correct me for for the board members to select the street that we should clean um as as board members to select a street that is not taken for us to do um
some cleaning right Carla yes you did um so when the time comes we have to look on the map and see which area Clement Road would be a good one you think so that's just a suggestion I was going to do Main Street and 13 Main Street and 13
that's a water road but portion of it but they wanted the adults to be doing the main versus the kid roads versus the kids okay I just made a suggestion you want 13 you just walk out in front of your house
there Paul to do it together not alone together what I'm saying main roads are very dangerous we your house to the Town Line come back have I got a supply to beverages too you know what that wouldn't be a bad idea that wouldn't be a bad idea
Mr chairman if I may yes Carla um this year we have opted um the year's previous Jim NOS he wears them um with a great deal of Pride we usually do t-shirts for the first 25 people and trash Grabbers this year we opted for
all one siiz vests so we don't have to worry about the problem with we don't have enough children sizes we we have leftover extra large they're all one size they are neon that will have the town logo and a
little saying underneath that says um um towns and volunteer um seventh annual Street wide cleanup how many of those are available Coler 25 25 how do you um get one which one at the library right
library and how much are they they are free to the first 25 are you asking me to put one aside for you please okay is the Christian and Paul would you like one too yes we do yes please okay I'll make sure that three of those are put aside for you all right one thing that
we just finished in our meeting to talk about was about the electric sign so uh Karen clemon has already reserved the sign for Earth Day from April 9th 19th April 19th to the
26 okay and I know with Carla with the thing I'm suggesting that maybe because we want them to be early earlier is maybe from the 7th to the 19th the 18th is is ask for the um roadside
cleanup to the clean up sometimes we get we got them going at the same time but we like to have like at least a week for each so if we're not overpowering each other all right okay I can certainly put in that request tomorrow and we're all excited just keep
on going getting everybody getting everybody here and snow's melting and we'll get everybody going I love Earth Day because it does it brings the community together that's been in their houses the whole the whole winter season so now let's get moving and hopefully we'll
have more fun stuff to share okay if you guys want to have a SE we never really discussed this if you want to have your own booth you can have your own booth and so I'm like Carla is always busy but if you guys are a little more available to Share Board of Health Stu
stuffer um you can do that ask me where I got those Sonage numbers from that's a hard thing to do when we only had four months of um P you throw okay so I took the P you throw um
number and basically added it up divided it by the months and that's how I came up with the the tonnage for not the um Allin number because I had to add some because I do think the program's going to grow so I kind of
just came up with a number with not as I took the number of from the four months added it up got my total and then um that's what I used to give to you you for the pick up only and you guys would
pay the disposal cost yeah and my other numberers I took the tonage that we're getting that we got for a whole year and then I kind of divided it so what it was and I kind of split it in half okay figuring it might grow half of what it was you know what I'm saying I I forget
what the percentage was down from the contract that I have now but it wasn't a whole lot I guess statistically we've been told that the tonnage is expected to drop by 50% based on your last two years averages once we went to the
purple bags that's what the feedback we've been getting um and all the towns in Massachusetts that have already done it Irene will talk to this yeah so it's like a 50% decrease yeah unbelievable I'm like I'm thinking you your more wealthier community and they still they
drop 50% right no we're only going to drop 30% and then others that we've been recycling forever we're only going to drop 30% and then boom they drop 50 did the recycling numbers go up though no and and really and I suspect some of them do and some of them don't but you
had weekly curbside recycling right so with that we' have been having that ability to that's how I came up with my numbers okay and so that number really has kind of stayed the same only four months we we had to go by
okay that's what I went that was tough no is and I think Carla had sent email some numbers that were reflecting that the trash was coming the tonage was coming down right Carla yes you're your current trash for you already was I believe 100 tons and
your recycling was 51 tons and what were the numbers last year do you have those um at this time last year this is a this is a slow time of the year I believe it was at 162 so went from 162 to 100 okay
but we also have people that aren't using the town trash pickup right that is also attributing to the drop drop along with we'll have others I'm sure down the road that probably gonna um do alternative things just if they're using
a lot of purple bags um I could see that dropping that's why we suggested the pickup only and then pay the tonnage and then for the most part we will benefit from that if we pay the full contract and lock in for three years and
sorry but you're the one who's going to make all the money so if the premise is true that dropping the answer is yes okay but for me you know that I prefer the fixed price because you know what it
is and you know what you're going to spend and you lose the uncertainty okay because it would be one thing if you could go pick up another job to pay the extra amount but we don't have as a town we don't have that ability we have to
cover whatever it is and if the tonnage goes up in other words if the premise is wrong and Irene's sitting there going everything I've seen says it's going to drop it's going to drop yes it's taking a chance and when I'm budgeting for a
town I would probably not take that chance to have the certainty of I know what the bill is going to be I agree with you I agree with you believe it or not what I had suggested is we have
history we know last two three years if we total up the tonnage and budget for 60% assuming we're only going to maybe drop instead of 50% we'll drop 40% at least the accountants have numbers to work with and then at the end of the
year we can revisit we can't because it'll be a three-year contract but we'll be able to budget next year for more if it didn't drop as much or for Less we'll benefit from that and as you know from the Tom meeting yesterday there's not
much I mean I I feel that if we don't have MoneyWise that amount of money to cover that amount of of the old inclusive contract I mean as as Charles is saying to to to go and and I mean the
numbers are not lying that that that the tonish is coming down so I mean what would what would what would happen if we have that excess of money then where where where's it going to go to here's the thing we don't have the money to
cover either contract beyond the cost of the prople backs it's non-existent without an override you were there last night um so with that with what happened last night and we don't say we don't cut
anything in our budget we need 1.3 million in an override to keep everything the same tonight we worked on a 20 to 25% cut of every department and cutting services one day a week in town in all the town buildings except a
couple okay not counting um police you know fire police but but that's where we are if we don't get the override our job now is trying to provide options alternate what happens if we don't get
the override this is where we are but I but we want the trash in we agree we want the trash in and we wanted Sol a solid contract but need the override to
do it without it it's it's not there and that's later for him is he needs to know you're gonna sign a contract this is the best deal for the town and you guys should just kind of agree at this time we sign we cannot sign a contract
unless we have an override if we don't have an override there will be no trash pickup in why we come up with a fee a flat fee to do that so A flat fee would okay so my question on the fee is how do you determine when you pick up who has
paid the fee and who hasn't how do you know because we have people that are Contracting themselves so they put out on Wednesday but so they suppose they decide to put something out on Thursday how do you know whether or not they have
paid the fee to the town so we'd have a list of how many that's not his job it's not his job it would be the town's job and as the recycling committee we could help on that is you do an audit you go out a letter goes out to say if you were not
in the program and you didn't pay it and you were found to be participating without paying the plat Fe then you get a fine and so then you have the fine ability to do that and then they say and they they have that in some other towns is like you just do a spot he knows the
people that are not participating in the program they did not like you have a list of the households that have signed that have paid the flat fee so then we know that and so we go to the houses that did not and you do a spot check and if that that who's the enforcer it goes
through either the Board of Health points somebody to give an address and then a letter and and if they don't pay the fee they get you say that attaches to their um property lean the property oh you could could just do the old
most time I think our residents are good if you give them a fine they'll pay for the fine it's there's other towns that have people that have multiple fines that don't pay then you have to add it to the lean to the house yeah but in most cases people oh it's only if it wouldn't pay if they wouldn't pay right
and and who would would the um Board of Health then be in charge of setting up the fees and Char how how is who's keeping track of the list who's assessing the fee what What entity in
town is doing the math and printing the paper that gets the fee to the people in today's world we have people that are signing up for kids programs all over for soccer for rack cash and it can be a website and
pay online and towns do that and they charge whatever the fee is if you're going to pay online and you're going to use your credit card or ATM card or whatever there that where you can come in and do cash it makes people very easy to do it online does the recycling
center take cards no cash check maybe they should be taking part cards after recycling have people that are 30 years old they only have they're just most 30 year olds 40 year
olds don't even have but I mean I know I use my phone too but that's what I mean by do you accept credit card payments not right now but we could well that's something that we can consider adding to the recycling C I mean I don't think that could be not expensive because I'm
I'm thinking you could go there and purchase the go ahead Carla um we we have discussed um the credit card issue several times at the recycling center and it just seems like
there would be added fees for everyone if there an added fee for using a card there's there's um we would have to have an internet service that we would have to pay monthly in order to have this at least this was what what we were told
two years ago so it's it's just it's not as simple as we can just take cards there's there's added cost and it will be to the resident and the senior citizen who comes down with this four fluorescent bulbs and has $10 if he uses
his debit card there like a 1.5% increase on those debit cards and the Board of Health felt that they didn't want to incur those additional fees to the residents how long was that discuss
problem um I would have to go back into records but I believe it's been discussed three times and I've been here for 17 years so I would say probably about every three to five years I remember some of that discuss okay the bones work there at the recycling center
but they're very spotty they're very spotty there's certain places that you you have to go stand at a certain area in the center to get reception all right because if it's not done in in an automated way then it means that it's on
the town where we're cutting services to have to come up with a way to do all this Mr chairman if I may um what what I was understanding there was a flat fee that you you already have
a Vadar system software in the tax collector's office they take real estate fees they take the water fees it and and correct me if I'm wrong but another line item for trash fee to me would seem like a very easy way of tracking it because
that's where the real estate fees come from and that's where the water fees come from not in their job description and we're cutting 20% and it normally comes into can I give my presentation I don't let's pass har so that she can bring her
presentation we're in it and we're not going through it is to understand in the current program of where you are and um to one to three Family household units are have the option right now for pay these your bags you have the 350 and you
have the 125 and we currently have about 3,000 households that are participating and that this is still going to June 2025 that's the current program and people should be continually buying their bags we have we want people to continue the
program and that we also need to know that we do have a recycling center that's open 28 weeks and we have a hazardous waste 20 times a year this is we have the best of both worlds and I want you to know as a recycling coordinator for sent Mass D this is what
I strive for every town to have curbside drop off access to have um places to take things to have weekly recycling to have pays you throw and to have hazardous waste and we truly play uh a great program for a great fee and it is
a good balance where it is and um hopefully it will stay that way the um uh portion of it we kind of said is just so this is also like for the public to know of that how much it is right now and that it's just a flat rate no matter
what and then we're getting about $40,000 a month with the bags and I I still expect that would go up when people feel more comfortable and um parties are going to happen over the summer and things like that can I ask a question can you explain um has waste
disposal yeah we're part of the Devin household hazardous waste group oh and you go there you go there and it's the fire department's budget we moved it from the Board of Health to the fire department and so they pay that annual fee on 3,000 bucks something like that
and then um our residents can go there anytime it's the first um Wednesday of the month and then the following Saturday and it just started now again here in March and it goes march to December so it's just January and February that it's not
on and um it is incredible of you can pay per gallon you can pay and we have all the different items for hazardous material that's there so if people are moving they can come and it's open for we have now is going from Ash
Braham to um stow and down to Lancaster so we got Harvard and so we have our group and it's going up so hopefully asham just started um so hopefully that will also maybe even make the cost a little less you know or we don't have
have a jump coming up because they just paid in so right now any Resident can go yeah any Resident or business in okay on to the fire department in at devans did you say it is the devans household hazard waste facility it is behind their
DPW so if you go to the main section at the DPW or it's easily just Google devans hHw and Pops right up Ian I I didn't know um think that everybody should knows absolutely they listen to the meetings they could find out a lot yes
um so now the proposal that we have for fiscal year 26 is pretty much doing the same thing but it's the contract for three years and that we have this option like as we were talking about before an allinclusive that includes the trash
recycling Disposal trash uh disposal recycling processing or to have three bills that comes through and that he did the proportion and this is great I think you need to know that the bill 822 and because we went pay you throw his bill
that he gave us was seven from Glenn Shaw was 770,000 480 so thank you for going pay you throw that already no matter what has reduced that price okay um the next page over is
the breakdown options to note that you say it's all included and so even if we reduce trash we're paying the same amount you can bill for that because he already did the numbers he's covered himself so you kind of normally we don't ever see that is an all-inclusive number
I want to tell you I think there's only three communities that I know that have this all-inclusive number 95% even more everybody else was has a three Bill kind of program is you pay for collection then you pay for the trash disposal how
much you how many tons you put out that month times how with the tonnage that he pays so he's just going to hand us the bill that he gets so there's not markup on it that's the bill and then the recycling he has to pay for the recycling of the processing of it here's
the bill and so it's just passing it on and so it makes it more to the residents to everybody hey this is the bill and when we reduce our trash which we know we will because we have been on the downward spiral and we will get to that
50% it's just amazing you think an affluent Community I'm like I have so much trash I can do it and and they drop 50% um so the disposal cost go the disposal cost and so then you'll have that extra because it's it's embedded in
here that you have not Reed that yet most communities go pay as you throw because they're going to receive the reduction in trash you haven't received that in the past because we're all inclusive um so we have since October we've been on a going down in our trash
and I expect to go more what's in our trash a lot of times people don't know this Massachusetts is D every three years we do a complete waste characterization study I know our stuff right now goes to the landfill right it
goes to the landfill and fitzburgh and but most of central Mass goes to Wheeler at the waste energy facility so that's where they did it and it's pretty much the same type of trash you know we have the same types of programs and it is just amazing that this is what we have left is basic recycling our cardboard
and our containers what we normally put out what's left in the trash is just 12% compostable is 32% um charm items the stuff that we collected the recycling center um
textiles uh is still 5% so I still want everybody if it has a stain or rip the shoe broke it doesn't fit if it if it's good and perfect great bring it to Teo if it has a stains on it they have a box outside you can put it there or we have a box at the Spalding We There are bins
all over we we want all the stains rips paint it's okay as long as it's not wet and oily I want all textiles to be in the bin because they'll if it's reusable they'll put it right on the put it on a hanger and sell it if it's not they'll
bail it and they'll make money so they're mailing everything all the fibers get things but guess what we still throwing out in the trash 70 pounds per person per year so that's a lot and then we still have wood and it's
really 38% is real trash so when we talk about this full budget we can still cut all of this out and in towns and we at least have the access so that's the next picture of what we gave all the residents when we first went pay you throw we have the
recycling center we have the recycling at the curb we have people buying compost compost bins we have company down in groten that can take it so we're going to talk about that for Earth Day that they can join that program or we've been talking about that possibly having
some drop off locations where people can drop off food waste but that's after we get this contract signed and we have a great recycling center and then we have the stuff in the trash so we've already seen the reduction of trash and we'll get more because that's really the only
St so when we put out our recycling do you want all these items separated yeah your basic recyclables in the curb we have yes goes to recyclesmart ma.org it's right on the bottom there
you go there and you'll see the nice picture we have it on the town website as well we are single we are mixed recycling so paper and containers can go together okay but paper things that you can rip like your cardboard and paper if it's stuff that's went into your freezer
refrigerator it has been waxed if it's been waxed we can't recycle it okay but if you can rip it you can recycle it and if it has a lid so your shampoo bottle your detergent bottle your anything that has a lid a container that can be
recycled if not our recycling center has bulky plastic our recycling center has wood our recycling center has the bulky waist our metal Electronics so we take everything else which is wonderful because every other town would love to have all the options that we have so but
we don't have curbside can all of these products go in your recycling buckets yes as just clean and dry okay so that's what I thought yeah y okay so now this is what you're discussing the next one is is the program if the override does
not pass if the override fails so this is I think the thing that we need to get out to the public and is that taxes cannot cover the cost we need to reduce the cost on the tax base
we have reduced half uh by going pay as you throw but without an override we do not have the other half um a flat fee will be needed um I rounded it up because of different things to $120 per household a year a year price
so definitely lower than your foam Bill lower than your electric bill and lower than what I pay at my other residence which is over almost what did I show you the other night is almost $700 a year a year okay it's but this is plus bag so
that is the difference that is still with bags because you want to still want to have it but you have to buy the bag you still have to buy the bag so this is gets you the thing and then um because you can do it all but then you reduce it and then we'll go up and if you drop pay
as you throw we got to pay back the money for the Grant and you have more trash and note that in 5 years the landfill that we go to I don't know do you have options of next oh you do go there too okay so at least he has an
alternative because the landfill in Fitchburg will be closing and note that all Massachusetts cost will go up so if we keep ourselves on this reduction that helps us for the next blow that will come in five years cu that will double
everything because Massachusetts doesn't have another waste energy facility so thankfully he has a contract that he's utilizing that now so he's in the door um but we can still it it still will go up because there won't be as many options we're going to lose more than
half of um the disposal in five years um the other impacts is if um more people leave the program the cost goes up so we want people to stay in the program and to support them um um if we do not have pay you throw uh then every household
would have to pay double and triple that's just a straight flat fee we just take his contract you still sign with him with shaj and you just take the contract and you you cut it and so everybody pays 3 350 but then we don't have a reduction you don't see that
benefit of when you say everybody pays 3350 what are you talking about H the cost of the 700 um9 s seven thing if you divide that by 3,000 so everybody's going to pay about
a little over 300 but it's not fair I have friends that are 90 years old live by themselves they put out one grocery bag a week small amounts and they'll pay the same amount as big families and that's just not fair per month you know of paying so
and it makes us reduce it makes us look what's in the bag so that we are ready that we don't want because if our trash is going on rail which another place is doing then we're taking our trash and going to Ohio and Louisiana that's where a lot of uh Massachusetts trash is going
right now if it Louisiana Louisiana so we don't really want our trash to go to somebody else's backyard and so we want to reduce um if you go private we already know some people have gone private it's $50 or more a month so $600
to $800 so our best thing is to stay with the town contract and we will figure out internally how you want to do that if if the board the the override continues great and we can keep it as is is the town pays a certain flat
fee for collection and then the resident pays the bags if we have to go with a small flat fee and maybe you know we can figure out ways that can work we can work with the Board of Health on options it can be I have community that added to the water bill and I know not everybody
gets the water bill I'm on a well and it's just those other households get a bill and if they say I have private that's a way to know who's in or not they have to show you I am pay I'm paying my bill I don't h i don't have um I'm not going to
participate so they're like okay show me your contract with the other vendor because you cannot be by law you are not allowed to be illegal dumping throwing your trash to somebody else you cannot be sharing program is that oh my neighbor got it and I'm going to put my trash with them that's theft of service
and uh if you bring your trash to work if that is not your sole business and that's not your just you and it's a corporation or something like that you are now creating that site as an illegal transfer station and that's a $10,000 fine I am not a d enforcer but I am the
educator and I don't want any person or company to get fined so I do keep on telling people please don't go that way appreciate the information I appreciate having it so that other people can hear it as well hope question I there are two residents in town I'm sure there are
more one owns 30 properties he came to me and said this is crazy if I have to pay $100 each come out are he's gonna get a one dumpster and have all his tenants dump in it would that be illegal he's I think by the letter of the law if
he's transporting the trash he's making it an illegal transfer station if they are on the same kind of property okay and he has like a compound kind of thing then that is fine legally is somebody gonna come to his house and
check I don't think so but the rule is let's make it best for him approve the override and just do it as your resident your your um uh tenants pay the bill the best thing will be the override goes through yes
and that's where we're um this is what I want to know can you bring up the the recap or the Omnibus or let's um let's edit in trash I I want to see what our override amount do you need anything else from
Glenn of just of being of just just give him assurance that Tam will sign um well there's no Assurance of that I'm sorry unfortunately there isn't um the that drives everything yeah I think you
know how we feel we want to support this okay but the town has to support it right and I get that and they're going to have to make the vote if if they support it we sign the contract right and the contract has to be vetted by
legal yeah but that's the contract needs to be vetted by Town Council no it hasn't has we I haven't seen a contract have you seen a contract I I think I I think Town
Council did review it um but it was they were just was it that one page thing because that's not the contract no we s two of them in yeah and I thought they were just those were proposals they weren't contracts well you guys to give
me the contract yeah I think Carla had we presented to Town Council still on the phone Carla I am I am Mr chairman if you may yes if you can give a slide about what we brought to Town Council please um Town Council asked for the
contract that was signed four years ago it's a 78 page document I have sent it to Shaws a couple of weeks ago and there's a lot of information in there that we just wanted to go over until we knew what the numbers were it's it's
just it's a contract that's already been reviewed by Town Council so it's just a matter of putting in the correct numbers I would want it reviewed after the correct numbers are in oh ABS absolutely
absolutely um I'm just curious to see I think our override without trash is about 450,000 um so you would you would add another probably um
300 maybe like two 250 the no is this 770 the number and then we have we have it's 460 for pickup only
plus but that still comes out they're both the same amount it's just so add 300 to that so it was 400 how much I believe that was collection but we still have to pay the whole thing so this is the 770 is everything it's just the way
you cut it up we're still going to pay that amount if the bill comes in shorter we have less trash that month then we pay last year so if all the departments were to agree what with what we put together we need to have a what we said last
night basically 780 for the town including trash pays you throw that's with the cost we just told you about four days a week 20% off on salaries and many other things we just want through this before you came here so that so
this is including those cuts that includes the cuts so what and we're still short 473 so in order to um get a another number of like the shortest amount of
override versus the 1.3 or four um we need to add the 400 so if we're going for the cut budget with trash right all right can you bring up the DLS website I want to know what
it costs this is a cut budget with trash so we have several numbers that'll go for a vote well it was kind of nice the what the um the school budget did it is they had this number the
middle number and the large number and it kind of is kind of nice to have that kind of breakdown like that as well to being like if you did a $2 million override this is what it like we did we tried to do that last night and they didn't buy it so um
we tried to tell them if we don't and we bated the overrided for just general government and school that's what 20% bu it was a short it was less than 10 people difference in that Amendment but
it's going to take a lot of work to get where we need to be for something that the town will approve and also I want to be fair since I was on yesterday's meeting and I know that the Board of Health has been has been recommending a a contract but at where we are at the
town right now with all what happened at last night meeting it puts everything like on the air because uh and I feel that uh we don't know where we're going and we're still recommending this contract because feel that is
is is the best for the people but uh but at the same time because of what happened I mean uh well we agree go we agree in having it which is why we're cutting and we're seeing how much the
override would be with just our first and then if we do yet in the trash that's the second one and then there's the pie in the sky one where we don't have to cut anything and incl trash so there's three the like I said the other
option is if you have the trash but people have to pay $1 and you can break it up that would come after okay if if all of this fails and we need to override even with the cut and without the trash okay
so if all three fail we have to go back to the drawing board and we don't have a budget I was gonna say I love the um Nelson what you did yes with the numbers last night of just being like that I think it needed to be just bigger it was a little
hard to see on the there were handouts too so yeah I know it but it was still a little small on the page I tried to do my best to so I think if it was opened up more and um I think we needed is like a cable thing to just talk about the
numbers sometimes people need a a 12y old version of the master's degree of the Town budget you know to take the because it is very complicated and a lot of people don't realize that a lot of stuff is insurance and required by Union
and required by law different things it was stated there's things we can't cut and they go up it's it's your core and the word unsustainable was said many times the Band-Aid is unsustainable whatever we do it is not sustainable not
at the cost of everything going up and it's sad but we can only do what we can do and the voters are going to end up having the final say and if we cut even further it's them who have done it not us there is no money we can't we don't
print money here you know some some governments do right but we don't to I think that's a pretty solid if I may I don't know if there's any any people online on the online that want
to participate is that you online Carla yeah oh yeah phone and she's on oh she's on both okay okay it's Carla CK and somebody else there's a few people online is there anybody has any questions out
there do that the one seeing none no hands are up with the what do you get for that the tax increase 10% on an average across the board is that money going to fund any of this budget my taxes went up
,000 did your assessment go up too yeah everybody in yeah in February so yeah that's right the tax B but will that those additional funds help at all do we have the numbers for what's going
to be collected this year for taxes um yeah you must have something the income the income that we get in from the real estate yeah um I I don't I don't have that information at
the moment all right because everyone I know their taxes went up well they have to be used in some number to say what we need for a budget or override if if we don't know what the income is the tax rate was set in December in December
December so that that is all set so we are using the I'm sure there's a number in there from Curious okay yeah I'd be curious on an average house what's the average house that you're using there the value is
[Music] 432,000 okay um so Allin no Cuts with trash and and using the Lesser contract the one that you guys think are going to be good and let me tell you if it's not good we will we will take full
responsibility speak for yourself for US 20 years you guys are at a high bag cost that's why I think that's the override with um no cuts to any services in town is1 million
125,1 76 approximately and keep in mind that we haven't voted on anything yet yes that's going to be $324 per year okay of an increase and only the public knows what their house
value is right so they have to put it in but this is on the average on the average the average 432,000 and I did the ma well there's a lot of them that are going be a little more than all right if we go with the 20% cut budget and
include trash that's the 780,000 override so even with cutting services paying for trash that is 225 per
year and then the least expensive override so even for cuts we still need an override 48 8,000 so do you have the DLS calculator so this is 480,000 no trash
everybody pays their own all right we pay the contract of a flat fee plus because if everybody pays their own they're paying 700 which is more than any of the over find a way to educate people on
that everybody uh I I have 17 communities that have that are private subscription and are dying to have Town program because they have no control over their contract because if if you're paying what 45 for um I think the lowest
was 55 right a month oh it's 50 a month low 50 so that's $600 a year just for trash you're paying for it yourself right one barrel um so you're better off with the override with the override go the we did but we got it we
reduced the cost of you had $480,000 coming into thing plus the grant so the grant should have hit you now because that was about a month ago or or if you do the 20% cut fees for receive you have to give the invoice we
don't have the invoice that's why I'm trying to think we're doing the invoice that's F right now the current contract is approximately $22 a month for each resident with pickup about $22 a month
the to I keep thinking com minut we have to do an I want to do it in FY 26 if we were keep going yeah because 25 is come now so I mean it doesn't make any difference to us now for 25 yeah rather
um yeah we re we reap the benefit in 26 okay for budgeting purposes okay any other questions from my no I thank you for your time and meeting and we want to thank the the B select for allowing us
to meet together and and and we joining our forces for the rest of the town and and and especially in this critical time that we are here and especially after um last night's meeting so um agreed I think by
early have a definitive answer okay which is unfortunately still like two months away but we have to wa until but but we have to decide what we're going to do because we have to put a number on the ballot for the other so we really
have to decide next week what we're doing because because because the ballot has to be printed right but and so um so we have a hard deadline to come up with what we're
going to do okay you outle meeting we going to continue our meeting downstairs yeah let's finish our meeting downstairs you want keep need close meting we didn't close we're gonna go downstairs
finishe you have to close the joint close Jo Yim um you need to close your you're part of the joint meeting at 713 p.m. who submits a motion to adour meting submit
a motion toour second meeting all favor say I I IJ at 7 144 [Applause] p.m. thank you thank you all very much we did
that all right we can join the meeting motion um I move that we adjin adjourn the joint meeting at 7:12 for whatever it is almost 14 okay still uh
second ver c i and la and I thank you very much all right now we still in we ended our meeting then we need to adjourn our regular meeting