Today is Tuesday, August 26, 2025, 6 PM board of health meeting. Uh, roll call. Dr. Christian Roman, uh, Ramirez, chairman, Charles Paul Serene, vice chair, Anton.
Okay. Uh, there's no additions or deletions. We do not have any septic permits, so 1.3 can be um deleted for this meeting. I also do not have any minutes for um
should be 2.7 under work session. Okay. Okay. Well, uh we going to go to 1.4125 Lunber restoration orchid conclusion of the zoning use permit. Um it's my
understanding that um Rick was going to bring any updates from uh um D Yep. So, yeah, based on my notes, the outstanding item was uh trying to get an
opinion from Mass D regarding the public water supply. And so, um I did send April uh death close uh from Mass D. She's in the central region drinking water program an email and let her know what the orchard does now, uh what
they're looking to do. uh she came back with a couple of questions which I replied to last week and I have not gotten an answer yet and so we're you know still waiting on on their opinion as far as that goes but she did initially respond to me.
So we don't have any any um any reply from the people's concerns that was brought up on the previous meeting. And I think that was the only outstanding item was just that public water supply. You we had talked about the um you know
kind of the board of health right now is is looking at you portable toilets and that they have an adequate number of toilets out there and um you know the public water supply. It was a question as to whether or not that was required for them and um based on the definition
I don't believe that it is. Uh but but you had asked to go to D for an opinion and so we're still waiting on that opinion from them. Yeah. That the those portable toilet systems are self-contained. They have the water tank and the Yeah. So at least on on the uh paperwork
that we were provided, they'd be like the uh trailer style portable toilets. So they're not single units. There's typically three uh stalls in each of those and and well sinks. Yeah. So yeah,
continue. Unfortunately, I think you know the the really the outstanding item was the public water supply and we just haven't got that answer yet. Okay. Unfortunately, it have to be continued until we get that. So little question on that with those those beautiful toilets and trailers,
they don't carry portable water. Yep. So you're using portable water when you use it when you're doing so so yeah I mean they have water that they're providing for handwashing the requirement for the public water supply
comes when you're providing that for more than 60 days out of the year to 25 people or more which they've told us but it sounds like you know when you say hey this is with the water and everything there's no portable water in those those
trailers So there is a potable water supply that that's private and was tested by the board of health and there's records in the office for that and the what we don't have is a public water supply and the the regulation is
310 CMR22 how they define a public water supply is any uh water supplier that that provides water for human consumption on site to 25 people or more 60 or more days out of the year. Okay. And so what they've proposed is less
than 60 events, which is where that that threshold will come into play. And again, we we asked Mass E and provided them with the information on what the Origin wants to do to to get an opinion on them from them to make sure that that we're correct.
Um any other questions so about that or any comments? Anybody from um from the Zoom meeting that's want to have make any comments, any questions? Um, if I could, this is Jonathan
Silverstein, um, Restoration Or orchards Council. Um, just because this, uh, has been something we've been working on for for a while. I guess maybe one request or question for the board would be
we don't think we're pretty confident uh that we don't trigger the need for a public water supply based on um the conversation we had last time. I'm not going to um bore you by repeating it. But
even for argument's sake, if we did, that would obviously require us to comply with the requirements for a public water supply, but it would not um I would submit it would not uh impact
our ability to get a zoning permit, which is really what's in front of you is the zoning enforcement officer um has determined that this is allowed under zoning, but wanted to get give
other boards and departments an opportunity to weigh in on before he issued the zoning permit. And so I guess the question would be if we end up requiring a public water
supply, which again I really don't think we will, obviously we would have to do that, but that wouldn't mean we didn't qualify for a zoning permit. And I guess my ask for the board would be to allow, you know, if you have any
comments to the zoning enforcement officer on the zoning issue, that's one thing. But um otherwise I would ask that the board um determine not you know basically not to provide any comments or
you know positive comments to the zoning enforcement officer so we can get our zoning enforcement permit and keep moving forward. Any comments for that? So, typically for those zoning use permits there, you there is a spot for the board of health
to sign off on those before the use permits are issued. And, you know, we you for example um the the Starbucks that's going to be going in at at 18 Main Street at the Harbor Mall. You we made sure everything was in place from a board of health perspective before that
we would sign off uh on that zoning use permit application. And so you typically we don't sign that application until we are you the board makes a decision that the the board of health related issues
for whatever the use permit application is for have been met and you know I'm not sure that the board wants to start doing something other than that. So we agree with your recommendation then um red to um
um any other comments then so we will have to continue in our next meeting on our next meeting. Oh, our next meeting is September 9th. We will continue the next the the conclusion of the of the
zoning here uh zoning use permit on our next meeting then appending on waiting um the response from um the EP then. Okay. Okay. We want to thank the public that has come and I know that most of you are
here for for this. Um so we hope that by our next meeting um and Rick has been very diligent on reaching out to the EP. So um so we we will we will conclude then in our next um in our next board meeting then. Okay.
Thank you. Thank you. Um 1.5 public smoking discussion. Yes. Rick, would you like to talk about this? So, um, my understanding is that Carter has gotten a few complaints from,
I think it's one particular person regarding the smoking on, um, the property at the Triangle where Turnpike Road and and Main Street are right near Spalding. Yeah. Um, and recently, uh, the parks
department have put up a no smoking sign, um, that I believe complies with with these rags that Carla had requested. thing that was a few years ago to go up, but you know, for whatever reason, it got delayed and and that just went up and so there was um
wait, that sign's been up for years. Oh, I thought it was just put up. So, it just was brought to it was just brought to our attendant and Roger Repose from cemeteries and parks actually came and said that there was an issue with the cigarette butts being
left in a certain area and he asked if he could put up a sign saying no public smoking. And I of course said of course and then that was just years ago was pre-COVID. So um it's just recently come up again. Is there a reason they are smoking
there? That apartment complex is does it have no smoking on property and they have to walk to the that's a little bit of a mini hike for him to walk down and smoke. He's I don't know crosses the street. Um he's a resident in country estates.
Yeah. Do you know either way or Yeah. So I'm Not too sure where I see two or three of them. Yeah, but it doesn't really matter at all. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so wherever they might be coming from. Um so you guys have a copy of the regulations. I believe in
the um the definition section part which is um section three. It defines you what a um what a public place is. And so it it would include that that municipally owned field right there. And so the the
issue is that um you know the question had been is the board of health willing to enforce these regulations. So when you go to the um the violations section and enforcement section which are 9 and 10 it talks about a fine structure and
the the fines are done under noncriminal disposition which is um that mass general law chapter 40 section 21D. Um, so it would be $100 for the first offense, $200 for the second offense, and $300 for the third offense. And the
tolling period is is 12 months, so a year. And um, according to the regs, the enforcable the enforcement is done either by the police department or the towns and border fell. And I don't believe police department has any interest in enforcing the regulations.
And so it comes down to the who are enforcing them. Um we we do have paper tickets I believe. Um they're similar to the ones that get written at the school by um you know whoever does those. So, I don't know if the principal signs them or or
who it is, but they've issued several throughout the years. And then they're they're typically sent to Joan Hamlet and if there's a hearing requested, then the board holds a hearing on it. Um, and then makes a decision as far as the outcome and then they pay the fine or
they don't. And if they don't, you know, the board needs to make a decision as to whether they want to uh pursue that, which would be through the courts. and you know we can kind of talk about how how that goes outside of a public meeting just so we don't let people know
kind of what our legal strategy is. Um but uh you know I guess one do you guys want to enforce this and it looks like I would likely be the one writing the tickets but you the other part is that we have to actually witness them doing it and the ticket would be
written while they're Yes. This is a complaint from a citizen about somebody's people. Yeah. So, typically with with any of our regulations, it's not
Yeah. It's not something that that we're not actively looking for violations. I mean, occasionally it just comes up in in passing, but for the most part, you know, we've got plenty of calls from people to keep us busy as far as as things like that go. So, I wouldn't say that, you know, you you have to actively
enforce these and be going around town looking for it. But if a complaint comes in, you should be at least trying to investigate it. You The issue is that I'm not always available at the snap of a finger. And Carla is not either. And so, you know, the timing would have to
be right for us to get that call and and be able to respond while they're still out there within, you know, the the five or 10 minutes that I likely got it. So, I propose that Carla and Rick should be the people on behalf of the board to enforce
um this um uh regulation on behalf of on uh as the officers or the people who investigate and and and do the proper
um the proper ticketing and and and bring and bring it up to the board if if these penalties continue on so that we as board can deter if after the third offense if they continue then um to talk about um pursuing going to court or what
or whatever proper action needs to be done and and so I can write the tickets cuz I'm already your agent but I don't believe Carla's ever been designated as an alien to do it and so you'd have to make a decision you know one does she want to take on that
responsibility and is the are willing to make our top three time right busy right now. Are we looking to ticket these people right away? Are we just looking to talk to I mean, you know, that's what the reg say. So, you know, you you could take a
look at these regulations and you can revise them however you want, but right now, you know, there is how it's written is if if you get caught, that first offense is a ticket. and they could ask for a hearing and they could come in front of you and you could choose to wave that that fine. Um,
but we could also say if you're you're not allowed to be out there and if you are, you will get ticketed. Yeah, you're not allowed to be out there smoking because you can't get ticketed if you're here again, you will get ticketed. Sure. Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. Now, wasn't there a second complaint
about the cigarette butts all over the ground right there? Well, well, that's how it started. That's how that's how to sign the but the problem is now is that literally the complaint comes into the town hall if Rick's not there or I can't physically go out there and I can't do
anything right now anyways about it. Um the person who's complaining is calling 911 and the police are being discharged and they actually came and asked Rick and I how we're how we were going to approach it and we suggested coming to the board.
So, we know who these people are. Yes. Yes. The police would have a report. Okay. So, can we make that phone call to say, can we get contact information form from the police department? Are you sure? Make them aware that we're going to be
doing Sure. Before we go to I mean, maybe it's a way to kind of preemptively stop it. Yeah, that's a great idea. Okay. I mean, we're the only person that keeps calling 911. We give them a new number. Well, here's the thing. If you if you misuse 911, you are going to get in
yourself legal trouble because you're you're misusing um emergency staff for something that uh that is not an immediate life or death emergency.
Um so I asked my board members, how should we proceed then? Should we continue with Rick as the enforcing agent then? and and it probably allow them a warning or should we proceed with with as as um as
our our clerk is suggesting then um I'd suggest we give give them a warning and we actually talk to the complainer tell them what our intent is and if it you know persists then then we'll take action and make sure the complainer is on board
too so we don't need that and I see them there all the time that have no from going up there and stopping and say, "Do you understand that there's a regulation and you couldn't be fine?" So, you know, you you guys could write tickets, too. And so, I guess part of the issue with that is that if if you see him and
you're a member of the board of technically you're supposed to be enforcing that, that's easy. That's easy enough. You know, we're official. So, I don't think we have to find I mean, I think we only have one ticket book. We have two.
We have two. So, you know, if it came to it, I suppose we could have one available in the uh the board of health office here and then, you know, I could have one that that I have as well. Um, but I think it would probably make sense if you we can get contact
information for those people that are going out there to make them aware that that we are going to start enforcing that. So, let's proceed in that way then. Um, can I get a motion? Can I ask one more thing? Oh, so if you do ticket them and there's a fine and it
doesn't get paid, where's it go from that? Turns into a bigger mess, right? Well, we I'll call you and we'll talk about it. Okay. Cuz it just it's going to get escalated after that. So, I think the warning is the best. Okay. Uh can I get a motion to uh to um
to proceed as the water health enforcing uh the tobacco smoking regulation on public places and acting on a warning and after the warning not acting then we should proceed with the with the fine process. Then
I second that. All in favor say I. I good. Excellent. Okay. Um 1.6 curbside trash and recycling contract submission.
So we have in front of this board um Mr. Len Shaw. Thank for being here. Um we have he presented to us the contract with the requirements requested by um town council.
Um if this a board pleases to approve the contract um with the recommendations that town council have done it will go back to town council for review
and after review then will be um to you have town council's approval then it would be proactive for the board to sign it but I do think that it needs to go back to legal where Um, and thank you, Glenn, for bringing this to the board.
Um, I think it needs to go back to legal one more time just to make sure that we're all dotting our eyes and crossing our tees. And then after legal, we we sign it. You could make a motion to sign out of meeting after town council approves to get it up to the selectman's office as
soon as possible. Okay. All right. What are the member's thoughts? I'd also like to see if Glenn has anything to say. No, I mean I'm I'm sorry it took them so long, but it's been been a while.
And you reviewed all of their all of their comments and you Yeah, there was a few things I changed in it. Okay. Um they do have the Massachusetts have a Massachusetts license. I've never seen that before. So I took that out. Okay.
What else was in there? It wasn't a lot of stuff the last one. No, like the first time. Okay, good. Well, we're getting somewhere. Um, prevailing wage though. I never got that. I have it from Nelson. Oh, see, I I need
I have it. Okay. I apologize if you haven't received it, but can you just email it to Julie, please? Absolutely. Absolutely. Cuz I've been waiting for that. I I in the back of my head, I want to say, geez, did we ever really get that prevailing? We were waiting. We did. We were waiting
for We did. We did. We did. Yeah. So, give it. Okay. Because that's on on the on the short contract. It was Exactly. For the two-month extension, we got them for the two-month extension. So, yes. Yes. So, I do have it. I will
send that to you tomorrow morning. Any questions or comments from my board members regarding uh the three-year contract? No. You think we'll get this back to the 8th to sign it for legal or So, no. You don't think so?
I don't know. We No. I mean, it's summertime. There's vacations. Um there's been at least three lawyers who have been helping with this. So, I would certainly hope so. We're really close. They We've been through a draft now twice. So, this is the third version.
Okay. So, I I think that it would be it would hopefully we would be able to do that. Okay. They'll they'll attach the prevailing wage. I will attach I have to put it on.
It will. Yes, absolutely. If you did send that for the last one, I'm sorry, but I'll have to look back, but I don't remember. I I I could be It was a challenge. It it was a little difficult getting it because um the the office was just backlogged. So, it it
took a couple of phone calls from Nelson to actually get it, but we do have it. All right. And it is current. So I asked my board member, should we proceed on a motion to after we get a
review from legal to sign it out of out of meeting and review it ourselves after that or how should how how do you want want um proceed with this contract?
I will call a motion to send this to legal and when we get it back, sign it and move it upstairs to legal board to select them to sign. I think that's how it works, right? Yes.
We don't have a big time go. No, you're getting paid. I mean, of course, we need a lot, right? I mean, I've done this before with times and I'm not Right. Yeah. I'm not going to lose sleep that I'm picking up and I don't have a contract on. Okay. Okay.
We're good for Yeah. We all trash. Okay. So, we have a motion to sign out of out of the meeting once um legal
council um reviews it. All in favor say I. Second. Oh, it was second by Paul Serene. No, Chuck. Chuck, you all need the motion. Second. Second that motion. Okay. All in favor say I. I. I. Very well.
Excellent. And we have I buy a lot of purple bags. I'm not getting any special treatment. I have 1.6.1 recycling center fees discussion. Yes. So Glenn and I and the employees at
the recycling center have gone um around and around and around about the best way to solve the issue that there's a lot of people that are going to be using the recycling center for their recycling weekly because they're disposing of
their trash elsewhere. So, it was it was too hard to do a flat fee because people can come in with a full truckload of recycling and if you have two truckloads that's going to fill up the dumpster and then if you have 10 people that show up and two people fill the dumpster, you're
going to have recycling on the ground, which is just not acceptable. So, we decided that it would be a better idea to go with the bulky and the plastic and the metal in our price in in the fee structure where it's small, medium, and
large and extra large. So, and that means that it could be anywhere from $5 to $25 depending upon the size. All right. We've moved the recycling containers to the front of the building
so the employees will be able to see when the people come up because right now where it's been free they can just on their way out they just stop and they they dump their recycling so they're they're moved in an area where they're going to be stopped sorted up there right? Yes.
Last plastic cardboard. Yes. All right. So we have a number now that that monthly number that you have that cost to get rid of recycling every month, right? A rough number. I don't have that. Well, we got to tell that.
So like what my cost to get rid of recyclable? Yeah, thousands recycling. Not just to recycle. How much are we charging? The contract. It's like 120. Roughly 120 a ton per month. Well, that's per ton. So
per ton. Yeah. It's not a monthly cost. It's it's peron cost. I wait. Sorry. 120. I It's in the contract in the back. I forget what I That's an average per I think it's one. I think he's wondering how much weight
this time generated figure out how much it cost. Oh, well, see, we don't know because we've never we know now, but it's the contain going to be different. I know. I know. It's going to be different. Let's say the last six months. Do we have that kind of number? We don't because it's never been it's
I mean I can get that number for you. I don't have it on me. Each one the tonnage that I dump. I have it all. But do you have it listed by those dumpsters? Those dumpsters down there. Talking the town. Yeah, that's what I'm talking. I just want a consistent number in like the last 6 months. I can get you that.
Yeah. Okay. So we know which dumpsters are we talking? Well, not dumpsters, just in general. The town recycling curbside recycling, right? The whole town. Oh, that's what he was asking. You could actually talk about the recycling center. Yeah, he's talking about the recycling.
Yeah. So, I won't have that number. You don't have that. No, I I dump it in the truck when I go buy it. But Oh, I see. I see. So, it was never tracked. So, it's very hard for us to see exactly how yardage. We could do how many times we dumped it. And was that a six yard down there or
That's kind something like that. just Yeah, I can get Yes, I can get you that. And going forward that that will be definitely be done, right? To help us gauge whether or not we're targeting I understand what you're saying now. But I don't have the tonnage number.
As you say, you come in six times. If we go up 12 times, I got Right. Right. And that's what we're worried about. That's what we're worried about. Okay. and where it's sorted. Is it any of it salvaged where you can recoup some of the cost like glass all the metals?
The only thing we got to keep down recycling center is the separate the cardboard separate keep the cardboard. The only thing that's worth anything and it's not worth a lot but we still don't have to pay to get rid of it. Okay. All right. Oh, good. All right. You know what I mean? That helps. Yeah.
Greg, do you have any questions? So, I I guess you know if if your concern is that people are going private and they're going to be looking elsewhere to get rid of their recycling, then you need to look at your hauler rags cuz your hauler rags have mandatory recycling and mandatory bulk pricing.
And so, everybody that goes private should be recycling and their person that's picking up their trash should be providing them with that recycling. I am working on that. So hopefully that you don't see an increase because of that because then there's other issues that you got to go address. Okay. So I think the only thing you're going
to get is like the guy that takes his bag to to work. He might but not recycle. Well because they tell me on the telephone I say what what do you mean you're only using recycling? They say well I take my trash to work. I say well you can't do that. And then
it's not legal, but and we want to and I want to let the public know that that it's illegal to dump outside of a dump and and things like that per Massachusetts law, right?
Yeah. So, I mean, it's basically illegal transportation. Um and and then the other part too is so is that bulky pricing what you would use for like regular like plastics recycling and and you wouldn't be charging for
cardboard because it doesn't cost you anything to for for Glenn to take it, right? Kind of right. That's that's cuz you know the only the only reason I'm asking is because you know if you're going to have fees that are specific to
recycling, I would just say you probably want to make a call to Irene because you guys get a lot of grant money and you don't want to do something that would jeopardize any of that grant money that you get. Right. Yeah. I never thought of that. Y yeah. All right. So towns you won't take any any town around. Absolutely.
Where's the next closest town I will take? Well, what we will take? Well, I mean, so so you guys get more grant money because you're considered a regional transfer or regional recycling center. And so all the other towns around you, you either they're they're
providing a program similar to what you are, but townwide. Um, or they've got a transfer station that's not open to other towns. Um, so so you guys get some more money because you're regional and and like if that's a concern that you're taking in stuff from outside, then you
could look at how much grant money you're getting and and what that might be costing you and figure out whether or not it makes sense to stay as a regional recycling center. And in the end, it's cheaper to buy the $125 coupon, not coupon, sticker.
Yeah. And uh and just do it at home. $10 a month. And and I mean if you look at it and when I was talking to a woman today and she said, "Well, I have about this much." And she showed me, I said, "Well, that would probably be $10." So if if it's open and you're thinking it's
open every week, but it's not. It's only open twice a month. If you went every week, that would be $40. Why would you not buy a sticker for a tent? And and then you don't have to put it in your car and separate it and drive it
down to the recycling center. Yeah. Well, I agree. You know what the heck? You might as well get some purple bags and put trash out, too. So, thank you, Rick. Oh, thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Is dismissed? Wait, when when we start this September 1st, right? Yeah. How many weeks? What do we got? Weeks? No, we got a week, right? We start next week. We start next Tuesday. Next Tuesday. A
week from today. Yeah. All right. Tick tick tick. It's going to be a rough tick tick tick. Going to be a rough couple weeks. It's going to be a very rough couple of weeks. Very rough. So get ready. I'm ready. Take some volume. You're going to need
it. This is going to be about 10% of the town is going to say when the heck was I supposed to buy them? Well, cuz in the sticker like if the driver like the driver's been trying to look for the stickers now and I was trying to tell them some people said they're putting it on their garage door, some people may I have the list. I I give it to you on
the 15th, but so many people have signed up in the last two weeks. I don't want to give you like six lists. No. And I I I signed up 75 people today. But still a list like then you can't expect their drivers to go. Exactly. No, no. What what I can do though is get
so so we have approximately 1,800 people that have signed up right now. Glenn, you approximately have 2,800 that are in the program. So your route is going to be shorter. We'll have a list. But then I have read bolded um the person on such and such street
that has it on his garage door window. He says it's right there. He can't miss it. Well, I'm going to highlight it and I'm going to give it to Glenn. You know, let the callers know on Tuesday. That's not what it said when you gave him the stick. He said, "This needs to be on a receptacle." Right.
Yes. Like I said, there's going to be something that missing complain because my sticker was put on the tree on and that's another reason why when I'm going to get it, but like we'll go back cuz we're down here four days. It's not We got to drive out of our way to go grab it.
But that is that is a key reason why I ask people to come in and pick up the sticker. the people who were upset that signed up online if I just gave them that sticker. Well, where was the sticker? Across the street in a tree, well, that's not going to help us, right?
You know, you help the haulers. We don't want to miss you, right? And they all walk up. It'll be it'll be a learning curve cuz Yeah. in the driver's mind, if he sees the next stop, he's on his way there. Well, the guy Oh, no. I don't see a sticker,
but I see that one. You know what I mean? Yeah. The first the first month is going to be really hard. The main reason we've wanted it on a container is so they don't one neighbor buys the sticker and everybody throws their bags. We don't want that to happen.
Well, we'll want it it'll take a little bit, but we'll get it. We'll get it. We'll give it I'm trying to figure side of the barrel to put it on because if it's on the back, you go down. So, but once you know them and that's it. Once by November,
December rolls around, I think we're going to have a pretty good handle on this. And by January, we should know a really firm number of who's in this. There are other towns that have these stickers. What's that? These Any other towns that do these stickers? No. Special.
Very sticker cost in Eastern Massachusetts. $400. Really? Yeah. They don't need bags. That's my cousin Mark. He's on a little health down there and he laughed. He said 125. You guys are way too cheap. I'm like, "Yeah, we heard that from the bags though."
No bags. You're right. This bag and we'll get there. Okay. Yeah. No, it it it'll it'll this might not be the last. We should go up September first on the sticker price to 150.
Sorry. You should have bought it early, you know, a discount. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. I mean, legal as soon as they know. Let me know. Yeah, absolutely. And I'll get you that prevailing wage tomorrow. All right.
Thank you. Thank you. Okay. It's open. It's not in there. It is. Thank you. Oh, yeah. They still Well, tell them to move along that it's too hot in here. It's already there.
Sorry guys, we in the meeting room and there. It's funny. I was wondering what else could go wrong if they have weddings there. And all of a sudden the fireworks go off in my backyard Friday night or Saturday night.
That could be an issue. Okay, let's go. 1.6.2 two recycling center attendant job posting change. So, this is on the agenda because we have had for almost a year the recycling
asend attendant that's over 18 that's needs a hoister license and we can't find anyone and we really need to have an extra person because I have some employees who have um some issues where they're not going to be
able to be working on a regular basis. So, it was recommended to take the job down a level um where we can hire a 16-year-old who doesn't have to have a oyster license and at least if he is competent, can speak well, can add and
subtract and understand the recycling process. I think it would be a lot easier to get an extra body in there and I think it's more important right now to do that. So, if it pleases the board, I'd like to do that. Why? I understand it's the law, but what
do they do where they need oysters? We have a stay steer. We do. We do. And that's what moves the very large pieces of furniture when when the the 40 yard containers, they're so high that sometimes when they get really full and then they compact everything, they
don't want to open up the door. So, they'll take the skid steer and they'll throw the couch up and over. So, um and they also push back the compost pile with that, too. Okay. So, um, we do have one employee. It would be great to have two. We've never had two, but we've never been this busy either,
right? Our revenue is five times to eight times greater than it was before co. Okay. And so, we we really we really need to have um the personnel there. So, we just need another hand license. Okay.
Right. You want to change posting, please? Uh, can I get a motion to change the recycling center attendant job posting change? Um, I we're not going to eliminate the hoisting. We're just going to add
um I'll have to check with personnel for that. I I think that there might be a they might get a little nervous about well, you can't have so many employees because there's only so much payroll that we have every year for them. So, I think that that would make them a little nervous. Um, it also makes me nervous
because that would be too much personnel right now. I think that we should just the requirements. You either could or couldn't have the hoyster license. If we go down to the attendance where you do not need the hoyster license and they don't need to be 18, just go back down to that. So, it's instead of paying
them almost $19 an hour, you'll be down to like 16, 15, 80 an hour. A 16 year old. There's a lot of kids out there that that all my employees have started very young and stayed there. Is there any incentive for an existing employee to get their hoisting license?
Is there any incentive? We we will offer training for them. We have paid for it in the past and the employees that are there right now are not interested. So, it's about the money also. Okay. It's not really about the money. I think it's about the time for them.
So, why would we post it without the hores license? Why can't we say you you don't need one? Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what I want to do. I I I want to post it where you you can be 16 and you don't need a hoisters license or we'll hire somebody with a hoisting
license if we absolutely will if they come in. Yeah. But I just need to check with personnel whether we can have both those job titles open. Okay. Are you understand what I mean? Okay. Okay. Sure. Okay. Yeah. If it pleases the board
right now, I'd like to get the attendant first 16 and no hoyster license done immediately. And then I'll work with personnel to see if we can keep the oyster license job open as well. Okay. Okay. All right. Can I get a motion for the recycling center tenant job posting
change? I call for a pope. Second. Second. All in favor say I. I. I. Very well. All right. Excellent. Okay.
Invoices. Is the quick is the recycling center part of the enterprise fund also? No. No, it's not. Okay. So, the enterprise fund does not it's just for the trash contract. Just the trash. Yeah. Do we have a percentage of what that
revenue is going to put towards the trash contract? Is it going to cover 100%. We're hoping. We're hoping. We're hoping. Okay. Yeah. Is that an $800,000 a year contract? It is a collection only. It's collection only and then tipping.
So until we know what the is monthly, we don't have an idea. We we don't because we we haven't it's changed much. We didn't pay. Well, the last six years the contract has been inclusive. So regardless of the tonnage, we paid a certain price.
Yeah. It's the cheap price, but that's the only reason I gave. Okay. Okay. So, um, invoices, um, we have GW Shaws, um, an encumbrance for their June flash bill, which was not paid. It's 68,500. It's part of their contract. It just was
encumbered because we didn't get the bill in the amount of time. So that is a separate bill and a separate warrant that we'd like to get them paid when it's a large amount of money. Yeah. This is this doesn't include the municipal trash
that includes the municip. So in our regular invoices for this warrant for the 26th of August, we have our AT&T bill as the cell phone for $45.22. 22. We have mass core for um
business cards and $30.75. We have mosquito authority which is spraying for the mosquitoes down at the recycling center which is really bad given the triple E in the west now. It's very good to do. We don't want anyone being sick. It's 210 per visit. They're
there every 3 to 4 weeks and there's two bills for them. So that totals for $120. GW Shar and Sun the two-month extension is a nice 58,000 not 685. So that is the July bill. Our general
revolving account has had again a lot of debris that has been removed from the recycling center that Shaw does pick up the bulkies and the furniture in the amount of $1,2728. Our needle kiosk is booming with people. Um it was disposed of um the needles uh
last month. It's $95 every time someone disposes um of the whole whole kiosk and it's $5 for each person that brings one. So, we don't make any money. Um we're not supposed to, but it's a great service to have for the residents.
Um another GW Sharon Sun um revolving account for another bulky container removal for $1,731.95. um Carla Walter program fees for the pay as you throw. I had to buy um labels
that are like this but blank that go into my printer because all the shared driveways like Ksky Way that brings their trash down at the end of the street. We have to make sure that everybody has a sticker. You can't bring it. If you have the sticker on your trash bin and then you put your
recycling out and it doesn't have a sticker, it's not going to get picked up. it has to have a sticker. So I had to make second stickers for all the people of shared driveways which has been about 40ome so far. So if you come in and you say I've got a shared
driveway I need an additional sticker. You will you will get this is issue 1,800 and then I will create on my printer with the with the labels 1. It's yellow. It's about this big and it just has the number. So when Shaw goes down
to the end of the street, sticker sticker sticker sticker sticker, they pick up. If there's a box of recycling there and it doesn't have a sticker, it's not being picked up because there is concern that there will be illegal recycling dumping for the people that don't want to pay. So that is how we are
dealing with that. So that is the cost of the stickers for me. Okay. Um and then my travel for July and August is $4221. And all the receipts are behind here. I
have this. If you want to go through it, that's fine. We sign this GW invoice if you want, but you don't have to. Hold up. So for the a for the recycling was 60.21 tons and the trash was 130.98
tons. This is full little higher than I expected. August. Yeah. Yep. But then again you think August probably a lot of cookouts. Yeah. And this mine is still including municipal trash too.
device 105 for trash 125 cycle year 1, year two and year three. So we took a little bit of a chance that tonnage was dropped because of the
program instead of painted like we were. So we'll sign this or no I'll sign in but I just wanted to review it. Do you want to review that? That's okay. I guess narrowed to Okay. Uh
so, so right now we are going to 1.9 memorandum of understanding for the sticker program. Um so as we as the town people voted on the
stipen for the for for for college work on on on on the pay on the trash program here in townsen um we have come up with a memorandum of
understanding so that um so that payroll and the town administrator u move forward uh regard regarding um the payments for for that program and it was advised that the board has to approve
the memorandum of understanding. Um Carla, correct me if I'm if I'm mistaken. The memorandum is um for the payments to be done on it was a $3,000 stipen that was approved at the town meeting for running the
program. Um we would like to have it done monthly. So the it would be paid monthly at 300 per month from September 2025 to June 2026. That is $3,000 divided by 10. I think
it's great if it would come out monthly. I know that it was discussed that it was quarterly, but it was never made an official motion or rule. It was just the projections for the presentation. Right now I am working an extreme amount of hours trying to get people to sign up.
It's not going to be forever. Yeah. This this will not be an issue in February or March, but it's very much an issue now. So, I'd like to get it straightened out um so we can move forward appropriately. Do you have the documents so that the board members? So, this is this is the employee action
form that the personnel department requires. It just requires the chairman's signature and then Nelson Matan administrator's signature. But this is where it explains that there's the $3,000. Where where was the statement coming from? It comes from the enterprise budget. It's right in the breakdown.
The budget, not the grant, but the budget. It comes from the budget. If you look at this, so we have estimated revenues, pay throw bag receipts, user fees, the grant funds, the total, and then the contract extension, collection only, trash
tonnage, recycling tonnage, administrative statement. Okay. So again, that's that statement is not coming out of a grant. Okay. No, it's coming from the it's coming out of the revenues from okay this. So it's coming it's coming out of the budget but it's right there administrative stipen.
Okay. Is that going to be one employee for now? Just one employee just one employee for now that with all the enterprise this form. Mhm. So the um mutual aid of understanding this was also recommended by my union
that it was signed. So, we do have several copies here and I think the union for some reason wanted several copies. So, again, um I think that um the chairman only needs to sign this, but I do think that a motion is highly recommended.
Take the staple up. Yes. So that you and Todd can go over it too and give me your feedback. [Applause] program special meeting on June 18th
article 2. Yeah, volume source. Do we have any questions regarding uh regarding the stipen format of how should should it be paid? What's this? It's oh from the enterprise fund.
Mhm. Uh indirect cost and benefits up to but getting the 16,000 are we? No, that's that's the that's the administrative cost for retirement and um benefits package for any employees that that are
through this program, which also includes the accountant. We'll try to anyone who's actually handling this program. Okay. It starts with me, but there's several other people that it gets to, including the accountant themselves to manage the program. You're going to sign all three. Can I
get a motion to approve the memorandum of understanding between uh between the board of health and the t and the town of towns and represented by the town administrator
um for the payment for the site rel related to Carter services per contemplated approved by um town meeting and funds coming from the enterprise account. I'll second that motion.
Triple it. Who made the motion? Well, second, you didn't call. We didn't call the motion to. So, I'll call the motion to sign this document based on how it's written.
Second it. All in favor say I. I. Let me motion. Go for it. Okay. Someday you're going to be chairs. All we're going to do is try and chew up and this is effective as of today.
We have date of action 91, but that's okay. You you're dated today. Mhm. Okay. Um, next board meeting will be um September 6th. Okay. It's not 8:26. No, that's today. Okay.
September 9th. 9th. I'm sorry. N 9. Yes. 99. 99. Okay. Uh what is that's for your information for your projections just to let you know because
the finance committee was looking at this today. Oh okay. Okay. Uh any any comments questions before we adjur tonight's meeting? What's your next what's your next target
as far as trash is concerned? our next target meaning so now you got your 1800 plus you said you're going to monitor everything right so well we have to start it doesn't really start until September 1st so the key is
the first three weeks are going to be horrible right so horrible so the commen's good so that works so now we're on to the next well the next is to monitor monitor how how the program it will be functioning
uh regarding the shortfalls that Glenn has brought up with the stickers and and and the haulers and all that and and how the funds move move forward with that and sticking with the pro with the projections that that we signed when we
were here with the finance committee. So which the first phase is to um to assess how the program goes and we have as board that responsibility but so it hinges on sale of bags part of it. Sale of bags is very focus of it. We
have to focus on that. I want to um reach out to the senior center. I'm a little worried that the seniors aren't as informed about this. So I I want to reach out to them. I I did reach out to them last week, but I didn't hear back from them and it's just so crazy busy um that I I don't have
time to make a lot of phone calls. So, it is it is in the back of my mind the seniors, we've got to reach out to them. Um really glad that the solar signs are up. I think after the first um I think that the solar signs should change
um in the same way. Um no sticker, no trash. No sticker, no trash. How about how about bags themselves? I know like Mackie's possessed Mackie longer. Mackie, we are working on that too. Anybody else? Um, not yet. Okay.
And I mean, we do have a lot. We've got Hannerfords in Townsen, Hanniffords and Lunberg, the package store, Walgreens. Is it Macky's thing or something? What else? What's going on at Mackey's with the bags? Do you know? Um, I don't. I have to reach out to Taylor um at Way Zero. she's the
saleserson and it's just again been so pissy in my office and we're contemplating on on having um not the next meeting but the other meeting present to the people in general numbers how the program has been going
regarding how many people how many families we're going to have that I I'll present that information not on this coming meeting but on the next meeting not in the next meeting because we talked about this and we said we got to give it a couple of weeks September, not in the next meeting, but on the 23rd of
September. The 23rd of September, come in and say at least, okay, the program started. This is the first three weeks. Are you going to reach out somewhere somewhat, whether it's the internet or the the web page say you reached your goal and things are good and things are
looking up. So I think that when we have that presentation when we have that presentation that presentation we can then after we present it we can we can definitely have it available for the public and for them to see um the numbers and everything.
It's really important that we continue. I don't want people to think oh well okay I don't have to sign up because they made it. Correct. So right now you just want to keep it on low. We want the people the more people the more people can come in the better because um we want to avoid trash
accumulation and for the not for for for what we're going to pay for. I mean it's it's it's cheaper than what other municipalities around here are paying. Yeah. Are you going to sell things first? Yes.
Because people are always going to be moving in. They're going to be moving out. So, it's going to be but after October, I think it the middle of October, I'm going to start to see the lull where people have finally gotten it. I know it says deadline September 1st,
but I want to make sure people can always they can still buy after September. They do and it's on it's on the website as well. Yeah, it'll always be open enrollment always. I'll make sure people know that. I won't be working on Saturdays 10 to 12
much longer. But okay. Um it will be available during my normal office hours and we invite the public and any officials that want to want to be present for that presentation. We will invite them to come to our meeting on
9:23. 9:23 for that presentation where we're going to have the the the numbers and everything so that the public can be aware where where the border is, where the board of health is um at uh the trash the proposed trash program.
What's what is this? 23rd is what? Uh uh September. It's our second meeting. Two meetings a month. Yeah. Yeah. So our meetings in September, the nth and the 23rd. No, it's not a joint meeting. Do we have any joint meetings coming up? No. No, we don't have any joint meeting
coming up. Okay. Very well. Can I have a motion to adjourn tonight's meeting? I call motion to adjourn the meeting. A second. All in favor say I. I. Meeting adjured
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