good evening everyone Um I would um like to call the towns and water commissioners meeting uh to order at 700 p.m on April 14th 2025 Um we are
um attending via Zoom and the meeting is being recorded and will be uploaded to YouTube Um roll call of members present Todd Meansen chair I Nathan Mala vice chair present
Jessica Fonioli clerk present Okay Um Dave if you would Dave Aan superintendent present Okay I don't see anybody else right
now Okay Um let's see I have no uh uh addition or deletions Um if you've had a chance um you guys were there Everything looked typed right to me Um but I will
um bow to you guys if you think the mitt minutes are correct I move that we approve the minutes of the water commissioners meeting Tuesday March 11th 2025 Second Motion's been made and second
Roll call vote Todd Meansen I Nathan Matala I Jessica Polioli I passed unanimously Um review uh correspondence and public
comments Um beyond our one appointment Um I don't see I wasn't given any I didn't know if any of you were Um so there's none published
Um I don't see our appointment Oh nope There he is He is here Um so we will go to 2.1 I am going to mispronounce this name but
Camille Nisar Was I close sir you Thank you Okay Shall I speak well um this is in relation to your account which is
60603 10 Worcester Road correct 10 Worcester Road Exactly Yeah Okay So um I uh I I'm moving back into the the house now but I had it rented out for a couple of years And um uh during
the when the tenants left they had left um the outside spot on It froze so it wasn't anything happening But then um then it unfroze and water was gushing out all weekend And
um you know I mean I know it's my fault in my problem but I had a $1,200 bill uh for that and I wondered if that can be reduced in any way Why did they have to come back a
second time i beg your pardon I have one on the 28th and then there was one on the 47th where there uh excuse me on the 30th of December Um
uh I don't know the the kind woman at the um at the department phoned me and said water's gushing out Water's gushing out Um they thought there might be a flooding issue or something but somebody
came out and turned off the water I don't know That's the only time anybody came out I'm not aware of anything else Todd Yeah What What do you mean i'm not seeing any information referring to they
or or any dates on on the packet Yep Right Um if you scroll down past the minutes the first one says uh 2.1 water department shut off door spet December 30th 2024 47,000 gallons
10 Worcester Road The next page down water department shut off same spot January uh uh 28th January 2025 at 26,000 gallons So those are notations of appointments or um or house
actual actual response Okay You want me to go through through what I have written please sure Please All right So there was a cold stretch just before Christmas Just after Christmas there was
a warm stretch that thought out the house On Monday morning I came in The first thing I noticed at 6:00 in the morning was his um something running in his house So I told the um people in the
office to call the homeowner and I dispatched a crew out to the house We found out there was a piece on the spigot The spigot was left on the piece on it blew uh froze and blew off and
water was spraying everywhere We turned off the spigot and we didn't charge the homeowner for the call Then we but we als I also told the people in the office to make sure that
that outdoor spigot was turned turned off from the inside of the house A month later the same spigot blew off again and ran for about a day and a half And as soon as I got in in the
morning I dispatched the crew and had them shut it off again Again there was no charge for dispatching the crew to shut it off the house So so that's that's the whole the
whole I'm sorry I didn't I'm not aware of that I'm just aware of one time that that the water department phoned me and I ran out there Um uh and uh I'm not aware of of two times
right i have the draw twice Okay All right Dave So I'm going to assume the water was not shut off inside Correct That is correct and but we didn't charge for any any of the the uh
the visits out there because I knew there was going to be a water bill that is higher than normal So I didn't think that charging for both things was the right thing to do All right Nobody live there's nobody living in the
house correctly at this time Uh I'm just moving in right now I I was just uh doing um I'm doing some painting and and I'm moving in now Mr Chairman Yes sir
Um if I may ask um Camille is is there any damage to the spigot that you're aware of no Okay Have you tested it to make sure that it holds its charge and isn't leaking right now no I didn't I I just turned it off from
the inside Okay Um I I can't speak for the rest of the board Um I was going to say I would entertain a motion to um take this period where you had these unfortunate incidents and um bill at
rate at the first tiered rate Uh but um that's kind of in line with what we've done in the past This is a sort of different scenario but I would ask that you um absolutely ensure that this um this fixture is not in danger of leaking
water um once it is charged up Yes absolutely Um do would the rest of the board want a plumber to verify that this is chip shape before we do something like that i mean yeah I I it's what we've done in the
past we've made him Um the caveat I I I wonder about Nate is where he was asked to shut it off the first time Like what we normally do or that I normally do is like say a meter freezes we go out we
don't char you know we charge them at the first tier for any of the water loss or whatever Um and we do all the work for free and then usually we tell them that area has to be heated If we have to go back the second time in the same year
for a freeze plate that second event is is charged So that would be the only thing I would I wouldn't have a problem um either way I guess cuz we have set that present but I wanted it fixed
before we do but I wanted to know if the board would entertain doing the first incident at the at the tier one and then the second one at
um at the pro at the full value but I'll be guided by the the board So like the first one that happened on December 30th is uh the majority of it it's 47 g 47,000
gallons Um and the second one is 265 Um but I will entertain what you guys think or say Nate go right ahead Uh one more question Uh Camille at this
point December 30th through um 28th of January uh who was occupying the uh doicile uh it was empty at that time but um I I really I'm I'm sorry I didn't know that
that that happened twice Uh I I really didn't know that Um uh I turned off the water from the inside as but I I can't and and now I can't even remember when it was Was it
January or was it December i I'm sorry I can't remember I I'd have to go back and check Right So Mr Chairman I know you had said this I don't know if you meant a full year period but I mean by part of it was
in 24 and part of it was in 25 I don't know if you're strictly going by your wording there No it's it's within a year's time not a calendar Gotcha But [Music] um it's just I find if you turned it off
inside the first time I unless someone turned it back on on the inside again um I don't know what would have happened I'm amendable either way I just was going to bring up different options Jess do you have anything you want to add or
which way are you leaning i'm leaning towards what you originally said with charge them um December at the tier one and the second one at normal normal value Dave what would the numbers look like how much would he save if we did that if
we did the first day at uh tier one in the That one would that one would take me a little bit to to figure out Okay Well you know what why don't we don't put them on for any sort of um interest
Um and we will just say say when you do your thing tonight just say we're going to wave interest on because it's one billing period It's all one billing period which makes All right So if we will in the mo whoever makes the motion we'll add that
Um and whoever makes the motion Nate I'll get to you in two seconds I see your hand up I don't want you to leave it up there Um Um but I think we should table it until um he has the spigot fixed and we have the repair bill um
presented to us for uh getting that fixed Um Nate go ahead Yeah I was just going to say um we we give this is something that's happened uh Camille in different cases
uh with the new tiered rate certainly things can get out of hand uh when you when a large volume is elapsed um really this sort of thing is a oneandone and as we've been doing it as this board has been doing it it's been if you have a problem this is what we do we figure it
at a different tier Um and really like if something like this happens again it likely won't be the same turnout but that depends on what the board says on a case by case basis But to to be in line with um and for a state of fairness
that's what we have been doing Um I'm amendable to doing the whole period but certainly we would want to see a statement from a professional um a qualified professional or a licensed plumber stating that this spigot is not
leaking um and is in good shape and good condition operable condition Okay I'll I'll take care of that right away And um what I should I send that to you to the water department shouldn't I yeah Okay Y And
what what should I do what should I do with the bill here the $1,200 bill It It's going to sit here with us Not It's not going to be charged interest or late fees or anything like that We're going to make a motion to table it holding the
um uh um being withheld from interest and late fees Um and then you'll come back next month The other thing have you signed up for um Dave what's our Eye on Water say
again Eye on Water Eye on Water Yeah we tell him he has a leak within a few hours So it's a program you can sign up for when it uh it will tell you your usage every day but if it thinks you have a leak it's going to let you know and send you in a text message So there
won't be any waiting around That's another thing we've been requiring uh of people is not only to fix it but to get on the ion water app so that you are notified as soon as possible if something's going wrong No that's good
I'd be happy to do that All right So I don't think we need to decide on Let's give ourselves some time to think about which way we want to do it if the board so chooses Um but I've got no problem since there's not going to be any interest charged or anything like that
um holding off to make a final decision on which tier we do once we get the next month when we have the repair bill and proof that he signed up for ion water Are you guys amendable to that good All right Can I get a motion
or do you want me to nope Go right ahead Nate please I move that we You want a motion to table that's what I thought um move that we table the we table the um appointment 2.1 for Camille Nasar account number 60603 Uh
and in the interim he is going to provide us with a repair bill or a repair bill or its equivalent to ensure the working order of the spigot and the interest will be waved until
uh we hear back from him next month Second Thank you very much Motion made and seconded Uh roll call vote mansen I Nathan Matala I Jessica Fioli I All
right I'll have both options for you next meeting Thank you very much Perfect All right Thank you sir Thank you Thank you Um 3.1 discuss opening ceremony
So right now we have 55 confirmed for the 11:00 but it look from from the looks of it be 75 to 100 We have we also have a um the resident slots now starting to
fill up time barn are not will be providing the water bottles for the event at their cost Okay And we have a few vendors that will be supplying desserts
Okay And so we'll just have to we're just going to uh do food and it right now I'm protecting anywhere from 150 to 200 people all together Okay Um that sounds like a good deal
Nate go ahead After much discussion of these uh bottles and vessels I just want to ask are these are these bottles a um material that's in line with everything that we've discussed well we're not providing them
And so I I don't like the idea of doing something for the water department It's doing something else If somebody wants to produce them I I'll ask them the question to make sure that they don't to make sure that they're POS free I would
also but also like the the BPA is probably more problematic is those would be the two two big ones Right Right Um the second thing um I don't know if you were going to elaborate on that opening ceremony
more Um but I was just like to our groundbreaking ceremony was kind of just like we showed up didn't know what's going on I'd like to see an itinerary um and a loose plan There was an itinerary last time Just know Okay that's fine Uh if you could present
it to us so we can discuss it in a meeting that would be greatly appreciated I think we'll be a little bit more organized that way Everybody knows what's going on and the sake of transparency Um and if you have not yet formulated one uh we can absolutely do that
We won't know that until I know who's coming Okay But we should have a better idea of that when um by the next meeting because we'll we'll be meeting before the opening Correct Correct So the next meeting Dave you're going to have a
couple things for us right now So you're going to have I have a full itinerary Okay But then you and you also have the two uh options So those are two of the things just I want you noted that you're going to have ready for us next meeting Um just so you know I don't even know if the selectman are
coming because they haven't said so yet Um I as if the board is amendable I will reach out to our liaison and make the personal formal request and see if they will be attending if that is amendable to the
board Yes Fun Anyways um for the record Jessica Funny Oolie is shaking her head Yes All righty then Um so uh all right so we will have a full agenda come um our next
meeting um which should be I think um se 8 days before the event Okay Um 3.2
Well let's I think that ends the uh 3.1 um 3.2 Len Lunenburgg tank and system excuse me system expansion Right So the next step is sizing the booster pump which we need
the hydraulic study to make sure the booster pumps um size correctly on your part you need to decide as a board the scope of the water lines So do we just go to Lunberg line
or do we make a loop around the around the hill which which is what I would recommend because it gives circulation on the top which is going down old city road down Clement and up Bay and back to
the tank So one l one one loop and then you can build off of that in the future You wouldn't follow Lunberg down to Old City and come down Old City That's that's what I said So So you said Clement but Clement cuts in between Right So I said so the t the booster
pump to the tank the tank's almost to Old City Mhm Oh you go down Old City to down Clement and then loop back to Bayberry to Lunberg Road So it'll make Old City Old City doesn't connect to
Clement You have to go I think it's Bailey There's a there's a little section of Pittsburgh Road No actually it Yeah you'd have to go Old City out to Route 13 right um I'd rather Well I'd
almost consider doing it in phases Um because I I mean I Dave is correct You You do want it loop so we don't create a dead end Um but I almost think connecting it going Lunenburgg Road to
Old City and all the way out to Route 13 connected in the main on 13 That would be like phase one And then one thing about that it doesn't matter You can't connect to the main because
it's two different the pressure is going to be 100 pounds difference You'd have to put a a pressure reducing valve Okay It doesn't make it doesn't make much sense That's something in the future Well then why don't we Well
Let me not something we have to decide now It's just I'd rather before we talked about going down different roads I think it would behoove ourselves not just to do the study but to do a survey and see how many people
actually want um to hook up because if we run a main down Clement and we get maybe two people to hook up that's a large investment for a very small return Well let well maybe that's what we do Maybe we we do a a uh a um send letters
out to the residents and and ask them would you hook up i think I think that Go ahead Jess My concern is if the D in the future decides that it's going to be mandatory well testing and what if all
of the wells have the PAS in it then they're screwed because they don't know that the D is going to come down possibly with this regulation in this sometime near future then they're screwed if they say "No I'm I'm happy with my wellwater right now because I
don't pay for water." And like I agree with that but they don't know what's coming And I don't know if they would be able to I don't know maybe we hold anformational night Listen this is what D is doing But and then you make your decision because I just I think that they're just going to make their
decision off of I don't have a water bill now I'll have a water bill in the future Like you know what I'm saying so so first of all D is let's let's to straighten it out D isn't making that decision They don't actually have authority over private wells It's the
board of it's the Department of Public Health but they get directed directives um because it it's not a a quote unquote drinking water standard Um a municipal drinking water standard Um the legislation has to do it Um the problem
is and it has gone back I'm on the um legislative committee for mass waterworks and it has gone back into committee because no one knows how or who will enforce it Um both because it's
tied with both um restricting private well use during a drought and um the PAS Those are two that are tied together in this and no one knows who will or can enforce it The
other is a private well is almost easier to treat than our than a municipal water for PAS cuz there isn't a lot to it and it's a pretty simple um either whole house or point of views So I you know I don't disagree with you making that um
the wellwater could have it in there Most of the wells around here are deep um bedrock wells And what they're finding unless you have a known spot of contamination that's high
and when I talk about high I'm talking thousands of ppms You look out in Western Mass and I forget where it is there was a composting company and they were taking everyone's um uh household waste and they were
composting it And that's where a lot of the PAS and it it it was in the thousands of parts per million And so the PPT was through the roof Those wells were because there was a massive contamination Most of what we're talking
about on these bedrock wells where you're 300 ft or so down they're more protected of it Um um and uh I as as far as I know in our area um the bedrock wells testing has come back very low if
you go on the D website So I'm not opposed to having at some point a um anformational night um leading up to then we do the survey if that's something we want to consider Um but I wouldn't say that it's imminent Um
because um the regulations may or may not change Um you know you you're looking at things like maybe changing the way fluoride is dosed for communities that dose fluoride Um certain other regulations are looking
at So I would wait Massachusetts has primacy Um but until they figure out who's actually going to enforce it cuz Municipal Water basically said "We're not I'm not going into someone's private property and telling them what they can or cannot do It's hard enough for us to
do it on our water with the water conservation." Um that you know most water utilities want no part of private wells Um the board of health don't have the resources or the personnel to do it
So the next step was the environmental police and they don't either So it's kind of in limbo Um one thing about that the Nshoba Board of Health has put in their regulations that it's
highly recommended for any house that any house that has a selling or a brand new well to test for POS How can they do it with no regulation and no directive from they have to get
they get their authority from public health right just a recommendation right okay What happens with recommendations is if the banks get involved and you don't do it and you don't disclose that you
didn't do it they you may not get a mortgage So I I would that's between the board of health I don't want to get that So I that's I would rather wait until there's something definitive in writing before
we do that but I don't mind having an informationational so long as we're evenhanded about it that I I'm not the type of person that wants to scare people Um and so you know we had known quantities We had a directive We had an
MCL that we had violated So we had to the the plan had our water had to get treated for PAS We're kind of getting off the subject Yep But that So I like I'll pull it Thank you for pulling us back on Dave Um I will say that um
I don't think we need to make a decision here or now because the stud is not going to be started until July Correct Because we have that's when we have to wait for the funds Hey it's immediate Wait a minute The study can't go until
we have funds for it The funds aren't going to be Let me Dave let me finish I will recognize you Okay The funds aren't going to be available um until our warrant article is
approved I I am not comfortable spending money We don't have until we have it approved at town meeting So to say it's going to be done in May unless it's you know a week or so after the town meeting I you know it on
but then you have to contract um you know the time bond or what have you to do it I I just I'd rather wait to make the decision of when this is going to transpire until after town meeting I I because I don't I don't think we can
spend money unless we've had it approved Right That's not what I said So as soon as the town it's not July 1st that the money is available It's the day after the town meeting and the project can begin It's going to take about 3 months
for the project to finish There's a lot of work into it No I know it I know it is Dave Um the bill can't be sent to us until after July We can't pay for it in this fiscal year if it's been approved for
next fiscal year It's not approved for next fiscal year It's it's coming out of free cash or other So the free cash has already been certified We have about $300,000 and this is what a 100 all told between the cyber and this No So I'm I'm going
to have some of it paid for by the building So about half of the 60,000 will be paid for The hydraulic portion will be paid for out of contingency for the building but the master plan update will be paid for out of the 60,000 we
get for for the uh All right So let's So say that's 30 What's the cyber cost uh it's going to we put 12 in there but it's probably going to come around eight or nine So we're talking say 50 at the
outmost rounding up at at the very very very high but by listing it as free cash or other the funds are immediate All right because it's not part of the
annual but okay Right All right Um all right I'm This doesn't need to be a motion on this cuz it's We've already voted So it's just um So but it does have to wait until after town meeting
correct correct All right So what are we looking you're saying May I When is town meeting by the way may 6th All right Nate I recognize you Go ahead So perhaps I didn't understand with the
addition of this tank um that there could be different options for looping and adding water mane Um I would really like to see this stuff laid out um as organized as we can with some numbers like Well I didn't I I didn't
know we were talking about going down like those streets specifically if if we could have a full scope so we could see everything all at once clearly You know if we I just feel like it's a little bit here a little bit there a little bit
there I would rather make a decision with all the information encompassing all the information All that so if I look in last minute last month's meeting packet it'll all be there Yes Okay I'm going to plus the number of houses on each on each road
and so you can make a decision because it's number of houses per foot which it should be one of the considerations you know more bang for the buck you know so it should you know getting to the tank
is not very many houses but Bay and Clement are huge amount of houses and getting out to 13 brings us to the industrial section of the town which is the old car lot
That information is not in March's meeting packet It uh it was in the the one before you you made the comment of all the maps I'm I'm not seeing any maps We have minutes for We're getting a little off topic I would like to see this all at once Not a
little bit here a little bit there I I'd like a clear picture But it it was if that was already given to you If if you can if you can indicate where it is I would absolutely like to take a look It doesn't need to be done right now Right But like I said all those maps were given to you I'll
send them out again But well you don't Well I would I asked is that you indicate where they are and when you sent them You don't need to send them again necessarily But you you made a comment on on how nice the maps look Those are the ones I thought that was
for the GIS mapping No that's for that was for this project I was trying to introduce everyone to the scope of what you need to do All right So let me take a break for a second here and step in I
wouldn't mind um seeing the full breath and scope Um I'm kind of with Nate um because putting that much pipe in the ground is not going to be inexpensive Um Dave when do we have an idea of
um when or um the first outlay of um the PAS lawsuit money supposed to be the 15th but it hasn't showed up yet That you know the 15th of April of April that's the that's the
paperwork When I when I gave you the paperwork it it said the 15th but that's uh which is tomorrow Could you reach out well tomorrow if it comes in tomorrow I think all three of
us would like to know that Um and um and you know as far as I know nothing has been formally set up with uh where that's going to go I think it's there's a holding account and then it needs to
be discussed where it's going to go after that Um next meeting I'm probably going to present something to you with a request that you we support it Um but I need to put it in writing and have it to you so
you guys have it before Um and um but I would like to see not only do I want to see what you're talking about in maps Dave I want to see
um expected costs of what you're talking about putting the extra pipe in the ground Um I think you definitely should call out to a couple of communities that have already had bid openings for pipe Um I I was on
um a roundt discussion with a bunch of superintendents today and a couple of them have had the prices of pipe jump in the last couple in the last month So don't go off of old pricing See if you
can call around If you need some names I can get them to you um so that you can put your numbers accurately together for a um for a today price not something from that you know from leaving from last
year Um so that we can see numbers and I'd almost like to see it in in stages maybe You know option one doing that one loop uh option two doing both and stuff
Um cuz that I tell you what that pipe on Bayberry is not going to be easy The slope on it is fairly significant I think coming down Bayberry at the end you're almost going to need a pressure reducer anyways Um coming out there coming down that hill as steep as it is
Um and I know there's the ledge is not that deep because that that road got uh trenched out when we had a flood I don't know My memor is fuzzy but um there I
remember it was a it was a good hundred feet from like just past Clement all the way down Didn't go all the way to the bottom but I'd say a good 150 ft of it got trenched and you could see the flat
um bedrock right underneath the ledge to that if they do it that's going to be I mean I it gets swampier if you go more towards uh Lunenburgg or West Elm but the section from Clement down is fairly
significant so it would be interesting to see the cost estimated cost of what we're talking about and I I think that to be honest with you I I agree not creating I'm I'm all about not creating deadends but we also
but I I think having a better draw out plan of it and then also seeing the numbers the dollar numbers attached to it would behoove us It's you know that's that's the smart way to play it So if
you item number three for Dave Um so I I I would ask that for the next meeting what you want to do What do you want to accomplish do you want to just break it into pieces but that's not my decision That's yours And I'm just trying to
prompt it so you that we stay on some kind of and do people want it and and then and then go from there Go ahead Nate Yeah No the uh information that we're talking about was in the February 24th
uh meeting packet just in case anybody wants to look at it I just reviewed everything Um I do not want to I want to see us be as f as frugal as possible here Um if if at all if there's anything we could do to make it so we don't have to raise
rates that would be my main goal Um you know the the water enterprise fund is not something Um uh you know other than that uh there's old mains that need to be replaced Uh there's a lot of old equipment that's failing
We have the free cash ain't free No And the other one on it that that's that um um needs to be factored in One thing I did find out today Dave um when you start testing watch your timeline um for
delivery They're saying there there's up to um six to It's not something you're going to be able to call up and get delivered the next day We need to finish this subject first before we
get one One more thought love to see um somebody contact us instead of just hearsay Um I have seen no documentation with a request from this this municipality or this town saying that they need water They're
can have an idea of what that would look like for us and what we can ask for and things like that Um the other is um do we have the volume or how much volume are are they looking for and can
we supply it um under our water management act Um so those are some of the things we can go and ask if it was to assist the community whether it be Lunberg or Ashb or what have you
um we can go back to the state and ask for additional volume under those circumstances Um what we in you know there would be certain restrictions or whatever It would be a lot harder if we were asking for ourselves Not that it's impossible
but it would be a little bit harder but an additional volume um that would be guaranteed to go to a sustaining community That's something that you can get an additional permit for currently um the way that works but I would want
to see and again Nate to your point that is a great reason to have them come before us and tell us what they're looking for in the amount per day Um what usually happens with these is you run it to the town line Um usually there
is a pit meter Um we would be in charge of it because it's our water Um but we could you know at the least ask them to pay for that and pay for the interconnection Um and we control that
Um us and the water that gets through that gets build just like everybody else And then it would be up to us to decide how and when we wanted to charge them So that I owe you and I you know what I apologize for not getting that to you
sooner Um I will work diligently on my behalf to get that done before the next meeting so you can see what IMA is for Um if the board is okay I will reach out to the superintendent and say if he's serious about this um he and his board
or he or a representative of their board andor their superintendent can come before us and make a formal request And I would also say they probably should bring it in writing So we have you know not just a recorded request but we we have what they would be looking for from
us Is that a They're not ready yet They they have to do a study first to see what the best option is And that's what they're doing right now because they have to sell it to their town Okay So
that's what they're working on And the number they used was a half a million day per day I don't know if we have that Dave You do um more than enough
What do we use per day right now middle of the summer 700,000 What do we What is our annual average what What do you mean what is our annual daily average that you report on the CCR
about It was 39.39 Hold on one sec I do feel like we're getting a little bit off topic here You know we are you know that I think that this is valid but I think that this needs to be a future is under section three under
system expansion right but we're we're not we're right now it's just we're thinking about scope scopes and we're trying I need to know sometime the end of the summer after we do the hydraulic
study but we have months for you to to start thinking about what you want to do Okay How far do you want to go and so the next number I have to give you is a mile u a price per foot and then you can
take the maps and look what you want to do by the price per foot and and but also we need to know the lawsuit money We need to know there's a lot of things up in the air that we don't know yet So all right So why don't we just keep this as an item
um for us to to to talk about The tank is we need that for additional pressure for the system that I agree Um the the piping is I need to see the cost of it and and what's the cost benefit of do we have a significant number of people and
things like that that would want it Um but that that that all right Um I believe we've kind of beaten that to death Um anybody Jess or Nate you got anything else you want to add to it i'm all set with section three I'm good
All right Uh 4.1 I did not submit anything and nothing else is listed Um as I do have some as a point points of information You know we don't we don't have to
discuss it Um I had a resident I'm sure you've heard a lot of it but I had a resident reach out left me a voicemail about chlorine smell in the water Um
I had one in my house and I had another person just give me a comment of disapproval Unfortunate No it's it is what it is It will get better Um once the system's never had chlorine in it um I went over the
numbers with Dave What's leaving and Lou what's leaving the plant is about.3 um which is that's a a very minimal dose Um it will once it once it gets through the system and it stops reacting with
some of the organics um and the bofilms that exist in there um there is the strong possibility that it'll get reduced Um also the odor will get less when the reactions stop Um it's kind of
the way the system works Um listen if we didn't have to do it we wouldn't have done it cuz we wouldn't have expended all the money we did on the skater attachments the chemical pumps the chemicals themselves So um
we'll get through it like we got every through everything else You and me and Nate have taken a lot of stuff on the chin We were I mean wasn't Wasn't that chlorine issue due to one of the valves there was an issue with one of the valves
with the resident in question in their house Did you get that information i did not I heard um that it was part of a foot valve issue Too much chlorine all at once
No So what what it was doing is it was losing prime and it was getting less chlorine Oh because that makes sense to me because you're gonna so that you understand when they set this up on SCADA SCADA is
reading um what's leaving the plant at the 100 foot tap Dave what was that the SCADA reads chlorine levels at the 100 foot tap The 100 ft away from where it enters the system Correct About 450
ft Okay that comes back and there's usually or not usually there has to be a low and a high alarm and then there's a high high alarm there Once those are set off that's kind of why they have to go and
the operators have the on call skater where they can go in remotely Um that and if it hits if it hits a certain level it shuts everything It shuts the pole plant off right um
so the less chlorine makes sense to me Um so that you know I'd go with that Um the other is the best way to see it too is if we're worried about it Dave can present to us at the meeting the
chemical addition reports that he has to submit to the state if we so if we you know that's going to tell you the daily dose the contact time cuz that's that's the biggest thing that they have to meet the level of chlorine has to be in contact with the
water for a specific amount of time to meet uh what is called the CT number So you meet what is called four log Um and that's just the number of nines You're you're guaranteeing you're removing 99 u999% of all potential bacterological
contaminants Um more information than you guys ever wanted to know and I apologize but that's kind of it Um I am hoping that once the system settles and stops reacting to this new
addition and Main Street is not online yet with the chlorine correct Dave correct Which will be in my update I'll have I'll I'll let I'll let you I don't want to steal your thunder Um I think we've talked uh Nate do you want
anything you I think you brought your points forward The those two uh items were the only thing that I had to report Okay I think we probably all got an earful
Um I I'll say me Nate and I have gone through our lumps We we were the ones who sat before everybody when we announced PAS We think we were the only two here when we did the rates Um and now we're getting on the startup of the
plant Um I'm you know I'm there's been I I had also and I'll add to Nate's point and then we can move on I did get some calls about discolored water not to the extent that it used to be where it was like a
solid apple cider um you are going to get some oxidation of the iron material in the pipe and that may or may not um present itself but again that will be shortterm not long term Um all right
moving since our liaison is here I'm going to skip 5.1 unless she's showed up She's in a planning board meeting They're doing 324 Main Street tonight on a public hearing Okay that's the gas station Oh down Okay Yeah I know Yeah I know
what you're talking about All right Then we get to 6.1 superintendent reports and updates Okay Witches Brook one should be completed or online in the next two weeks bringing all three wells in Right
now the two wells are are doing about 950 gallons a minute which is which is about half the capacity that that it can do Um Main Street and Cross Street we're waiting for portable eye washes and
they'll be going online with chlorination because they made us do portable eye washes as well as everything else But that's what we're waiting for And they'll be online Everything is ready ready to go
Uh for Witches Brook they're going to put new doors on both wells because they're very inefficient for heating and but that's coming with the the um the the um treatment plant
project Okay Um the new employee that will be helping out is coming on on July 1st Okay Uh if I may Yes sir This may have to do
with the email I sent you Dave I was asking about this Uh I saw a warrant for what appeared to be a new employee for Mass Waterworks So from Mass Waterworks
Yeah So you had a um we had three warrants One of them was for Jess Funni I had asked you sent you an email Yeah So is this the new employee you're talking about yes So what happened to
the whole presenting candidates applications and then having the board make make a recommendation the board doesn't do recommendations and you you don't do personal Let me I thought we we talked about this one of the other previous meetings I I said I was going
to present the person and we told you this and we told you what the process had been in the past and it is not the process So you can say that but I'm telling you that's not the process You don't have the power to do it
I'm going to I'm going to stop this right now Let me let me Mr Chairman floor is yours Let me thank you I would it has always been the the process of the board to to go
through candidates and things like that Um what I would say is that [Music] um I'm amendable to seeing what labor council has to say instead of it being
because things have changed um if we have it delineated for us by our lab the town's labor council um on who and maybe have him or her um
be here at our meeting to explain it um I would be more amendable to that but I do think if it's going to be representing the department um we should see who submitted who didn't um and Dave
if they weren't acceptable candidates if you at least give us the resume and say this is why I didn't consider this person or what have you Um and and stuff like that If you've got the guest candidate you know we trust you I I I
would say that none of the candidates that have been hired um have disappointed this board Um but I would like the statement from labor um stating that um you know here today
I understand that But I would like to see um I think it would allay Nick's concerns Um but also I would like to see just your thought process Dave to be
honest with you Um and if it that the slots open on July 1st then that's fine Um but I I think just to see what your thought process was Um and
um I have no problem with the candidate to be quite honest Um but before we direct anything I I just to allay Nate's concerns I I do think it behooves us to have a comment from labor labor council
Um then it's not anybody's opinion Dave It's not your opinion It's not it's not our opinion If we have something in paper then that's that's that But this is all part of the town the town council stepping in and saying that the board of
selectmen are the ones that do the hiring Correct Go ahead Nate So yeah and you would throw in that um you have no problem with um this candidate I don't have a problem with this candidate either that
I know of Well I know of course I don't know a lot about this candidate and that's fine We and and we we are not the hiring authority but we do provide the recommendation to the board of select Yes we we've done that with
every everyone that I can remember Um so my my problem if I may to get back to the root of this before the explosion is uh I'm being presented with a warrant article to sign for payment for someone
that we have not hired yet So I I have a problem with that because you're asking the board to sign something for payment that we have not approved or reviewed So this is this is a problem This is not an autonomous department to be run like that This is under all everything should
be under board review unless it's day-to-day operations or strictly with individual personnel What now what warrant are you talking about uh the warrants we received
on April 11th So so my point is no money should be spent that that that we're not aware of unless we approve it or you if it's under $5,000 if you have an
emergency or if it's something a day-to-day occurrence but anything that involves planning or hey you know what we're going to do this that is a board decision You're forgetting this time and time again It isn't This is dayto-day I know you disagree I do disagree You've
you've been very vocal on that and I don't want to get into this again If if you wanted to take a course because they offer courses for commissioners and the basic courses for water you can take the courses I'm not going to be taking any money
from the water department because I want the money to stay with the water department with the water takers Okay consortium across medals Verizon Verizon NEC Morris Communication Comcast White
Mountain Professional Services We got three Three Todd We got three It's um No I know Which one's it on quickbooks JF Reimbursement That's the three PDFs that we got And for dues and membership
um that doesn't necessarily have to be so commissioners are allowed to be members as well That's fine but why does the water why do the water takers pay for that so my original question I will say I will say it's the candidate that you're
hiring Dave let me finish I was going to make a statement that it is industry standard that if the commissioners want to be members that every one of them that I know of pays for those
dues if they want the water department Yep Okay So whether she the person is a candidate or not Nate you can get membership That's fine I did not know that And you know I've been I've been doing this for a while and no one's mentioned anything
to me And that's why and you know and I'll you know what i'll take the lump on that I because I'm I'm a member um and I it probably never crossed my mind to offer that to you um or to mention it Um
but yeah like a lot of the functions in fact they prefer to have commissioners involved So they can see a lot of if it allows you to participate in their committees or attend things and
and it allows you to get a better grasp on a lot of what we don't see and what goes into the dayto-day Um and that's why they encourage it and it's why most utilities if a commissioner expresses interest
um uh do um they they pay the the community pays for it Um it better serves the community in the long run because you do gather that understanding Um so I had no problem with it I I
wasn't even considering it because she was uh because the person we're talking about is a potential candidate or the candidate um depending on your viewpoint Um so is that is that the case Dave
what is is this individual a candidate yes Or the candidate the candidate Have you promised the job yes Well it sounds like you didn't need
us then In this case it No it has to be I think there's some I think there's some confusion here and we're going to have to get to the bottom of this This this keeps happening and I can't allow it So I would say the way that it would be
best answered is if labor council gave us a decision based on on you know taking in um past practices and what the law says and then we go by what the law says
Um and I would have I would have liked to seen at least the resumes or the the applications Um and your reasoning for the choice to be honest with you Um not cuz I don't trust you It's just I
I want to know why you chose the person you did And I think that isn't um I don't think that's an an enormous ask And I don't think that's an intrusion into the dayto-day No I can I
can give you it very simple One we had three candidates that fit the bill One one was a an existing town employee One was from Green um West
Townson General younger and another one who said the money wasn't enough and to come aboard was more money which eliminated that person right right off Oh so they to come on board they they
wanted more money than what was in the offering Okay Dave if you could do me a favor in the interim do what we just asked Put your put your three applicants down The the the the last one is is clearly
um uh out of the question because they pulled themselves out by putting themselves above what the dollar value was Correct The second one um if you want to um I would term it as a lack of experience and if you had one that was
an existing town employee that had municipal experience would be a good explanation but I think sending those to us um or at least me and Nate cuz the other person may be the applicant Um I think
that would behoove us Um but I I think having Okay but I also but All right Um let me finish I know I talk a lot Um what I would say though too is I do want to
hear from labor council on on what is considered day-to-day and balancing that against back past practices I I would like to know the your reasonings um for for picking a candidate before before it's sent to the
board because believe it or not we we we have always presented um the picks I don't think we've ever said no to a pick But I do like I do like I I do like to see your reasonings Okay
Last three didn't go before the board either Well that's a problem So if you can get labor council so I would like to see um a definitive from labor council and
then it puts it to rest All right And you know in balancing past practices against what should be now Um but in the interim I would like to see the three applications and just your reasoning behind each one and in and your choice
And I think that settles everything All right Now and also real quick Dave I had emailed you asking you about this Now please when I ask you about warrants I need you to get back to me And you had responded but I clarified and I asked
specifically for what I for the for the clarification and it was ignored I called your office staff I emailed her and said "Hey please mention I sent you this email." It It was clearly ignored You can't expect me to do my job if you're not going to explain line items that I don't understand You also
understand that you were told not to contact me by the town as well Absolutely All right I'm going to stop Mr Superintendent Mr Chair I have to address this When we were sitting down
with your boss Dave he said that you were to answer any commissioner question that comes about pertaining to water department business Yes or no you remember that in town meeting and when you're not in town meeting
this personal to it right now A false police report Dave Dave and I don't I don't take that lightly He's been a bully Hey Fenoli can you please mute the two of them please right
now thank you It was getting too personal and I you neither one were listening to me All right There's definitely a point of contention between the two of you
Um I'm not going to allow this meeting to dissolve into that Um so I will put a stop to that I will ask Dave do you have other other points on your report beyond what
we just were talking about all right Can you please unmute Dave uh Bjant to finish discussing his report dave hold on You're not unmuted Can you unmute there you go Yeah So the next thing summer insurance will be coming
on after school is finished How many do we have Dave right now there'll be three but there'll be no more than two in a day They only get three days Um this way we have two We're going to be doing redoing the power
washing of the tank We're going to be doing some more hydrant and we have some work that needs to be c caught up on because of the building construction and everything else Dave on the hydrants um
the if they're seasonal work they're um usually ch teenagers from town Um I'd like to keep them off 1319 in any of the main roads unless they have a detail All right Yep So
what's what's also good is that the there's going to be a two T2 class offered in Townsen by the Mass Royal Water If those employees want to take that class it doesn't cost us anything because it's Mass Royal Water and we're
under 10,000 people They can be offered that course and they can get a their T1 license from that And T2 is a more of course is more involved but it's easier to get your license So wait a minute Dave you said two things You said
they're going to offer a T2 class or a T1 T2 class is offered in Townsen right this fall Right But then you said they could get their T1 They can get their T1 license by taking that class Well they
still have to take the test too don't they correct But they they they'll have to take the test on their own They But it gives them an opportunity to get a license from from the water department All right
It doesn't cost us anything I will put this offer out to either one of the board um if we have enough free seats um that if you wanted to see what an operator was or have that experience you could you could take the class as well But Nate it might be hard where you have
your own business to do that So all right Seasonal helps done if I know the date Can you get the list of dates and and send it to Nate please correct All right We'll be flushing the last week of April
to to help with the the chlorine and the dead ends and getting the reactive matter out One thing on that Dave make sure we do well in advance on when you're going to be flushing Correct We put the first and
we put it on Facebook Okay I can you talk to the web master or whoever controls the website on the town Make sure it's on the town website as well Um and see if we can get and the the highway signs I think that is a good way
of um doing that Go ahead All right So just so you know I'll be on vacation next week I have to take 11 days more just to get me down to two weeks because I don't take very much
time off Um so it's going to be kind of I don't Who's So so who's your second Dave is it um who's second at the plant what kevin He's second at the plant and
distribution The the plant is Ryan The rest of it is Kevin Okay Thank you Right Um something that you brought up I talked had a talk with DCR about Squanuk Meadows and they're
they're telling the town that water department has primacy over that section of Squanica Meadow for the well because it's a town public water supply and they're going to defer everything to the to the water
department for anything that goes on there All right And that's it Um I will All right If that's the end of today's report um hold on one second
Um we can move on to 7.1 Um schedule next meeting You guys said when it was um second Monday Second Monday Um May
12th May 12th Hold on So I put it in my calendar so I don't forget And I want to go to May 12th Nothing there
Um TWW order commissioner Um save All right Done Um 12 work for you
Nate okay [Music] Um we need a motion for do we want to discuss any of this or are we okay reviewing out of session the 12th looks
good Okay Um then we should move on to um 7.2 7.3 and 7.4 I looked at it um for what I had looked okay
Um can I have a motion i move that we review monthly abatements and adjustment list review and approve end of month's report and sign reports and bill payable warrants out of session Second motion's been made and seconded
Rogall vote Todd Meansen I Nathan Matala I Jessica Fonioli I Okay Um I would like to make a motion that we adjourn the meeting of April
14th at 8:21 p.m Second Motion's been made and seconded Roll call vote Todd Malansen I Nathan Matala I Jessica Fonioli I All right Well thank you everybody for your
time and I will see you next