Good afternoon. I'm Carol Hoses, chair of the capital planning committee, and I'd like to call this meeting to order. And um could take a roll call vote. >> Call present. >> Robuc
is present. Um this meeting is being recorded and uploaded to the YouTube. And um is anyone else recording this meeting? Hearing none, I'll say no one's else is recording and there are no additions or
deletions. We're going to Has everybody had a chance to look at the meeting minutes from the last um last time from last meeting. Mhm. Yeah.
>> So, somebody want to make a motion to >> Anybody have any comments on the meeting minutes from last from February 6? >> I make a motion the meeting minutes be accepted from Febru February 6th. >> February 6th. >> Okay, good.
>> I'll second it. >> Yeah, you can. >> Did I? >> No. Okay, >> I'll second it. >> Oh, wait. I got to take notes. Hang on a second. I'm I'm behind. Okay. >> All right.
>> Okay. >> Um motion. >> Then I don't feel so bad forgetting about the Zoom. >> Yeah, no problem. >> Okay, I I'm I'm good. Kathy took care of me with the Zoom.
Oh, >> so we're good. >> What time was it called to order? Was it right at 12? >> Okay, we can vote on this if you want. I'm caught up call.
>> Usually yes. >> Jerome Bazik is yes. >> Carol says yes. >> Spford yes. >> Okay. Uh we're a couple of minutes early. We're just waiting for the uh appointment with the fire chief is at
12:10. I wanted to have give him a couple of I wanted to give us a couple of minutes to go through the minutes and whatever before he um came. So, has everyone been able to do their
evaluation sheets for the uh the highway, the um recreation, and the >> Yes. >> What was the other one? >> Police. >> Police still in progress. >> Yeah. But what did I do? Oh, I think that
this Okay. Yeah. I don't know if you want to ask the specific as you go through the fire in the U might be able to fill out the evaluation. We're going to need more. Um, too. I
think I have blanks. Do I have planks? I have blanks. I have blank here. I think Does anybody need what do we need? >> Oh, we're going to need it for fire and for >> Well, facilities is five
and fire is three. >> So, 84. Oh, I can't do it. Something's wrong with that. >> Some job needs to be >> Yeah, just
Thank you, John. It's good to have an interested party in the audience. Let's see. This doesn't look like anyone's online. Did you have this one, Jerry? That looks like this for the fire.
>> No, >> I couldn't copy it. >> Couldn't copy it. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, that's fine. So much paper. >> Well, I know it does. >> And some's two-sided, some is one-sided. So, it's hard.
One, two, three, four. >> Oh, for robs. >> Yeah. Um, the library room if you have your highway recreation and police.
>> Oh, okay. Um I had Carolyn had given me hers but if you wanted while we're sitting here you know why do that I only filled out Oh no I filled out
this one. Oh I see what I did. These are the facilities. Oh these are the ones for later years. I get so confused with facilities. I don't know why
I kept the ones you gave me. I put I have a spreadsheet so I gave it to him to fill in his He's got his scores for those. >> Okay. I think I only have >> We can fill those. So you've got mine.
facilities when he gets here. Hopefully he gets here or comes online. Well, facilities isn't until later anyway, >> right? No, Rob here. >> Oh, yeah. He said he was coming. Let's
get this record. Yeah, I did mine pencil and I don't have a pencil. Okay. What do we do if he doesn't show up? >> I think maybe we could um start going over the things from last week.
>> Yeah. >> Take it out of >> take it out of context. Stop the >> Yeah, just unless you want me to see if Rob's in the building. I think we're here. >> He was. So, I mean, we could do that if
you still got a minute. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> yeah, but I mean he did an extra five minutes. But I guess so. Or I did so. I should have been you.
Would we if Carrie doesn't I'm sure Carrie's going to come in. Kind of think >> I would think he'd be here. >> Yeah, I'm thinking he'll be here because >> we need we need his input on this as far as the um one of these.
>> There he is. There he is. >> Right on time. >> Hello. >> Okay. Want to join us? Absolutely. 1210. >> Okay. We have uh it's 12:10 and we have our appointment with the fire chiefs to
go over his uh capital request. Um so I must get your three on the sheet. The ambulance uh replace the ambulance protective bunch of gear in the air pack.
be sure. >> Okay. Um, so these are requests that you're asking us. >> I give you whatever information you'd like or I can tell you the strategy to get here. >> Okay. >> Okay. Tell us
>> whatever you'd like. >> You can tell us the strategy. >> The bunker gear and the air packs are required on the NFPA. Um the main there is a shelf life of what they are as well as most of the other emergency equipment including the engines that we just
replaced. Um the bunker gear was slated to be done last year. >> Yes, I can remember that last year and it got cut. >> Um so last year whether you want big picture or detail doesn't matter. Um our
budget uh was cut by about 225,000. So, the impact is is noticeable. >> Um, outside of your purview, u we've also, of course, we all have that hiring freeze. We're down two, including an assistant chief. So, the
succession plan is no longer >> um and it will compromise a variety of things. And I don't know if people know or care, but it's my job to tell you when firet trucks and ambulances can't get there, it will affect your ISO. and the ISO will affect everyone in town.
So, uh we are trying to actually lower the ISO rating which would be a good impact for everyone's insurance. Um I don't know what this bunker pants will and it's not a complete set for the entire department. It's just a group of
them. So, air packs are 4 to 10,000 depends on the amenities that you get in them and call it $5,000 without helmets and boots on your bunker pants and gearing. So the bunker pant one is really something that's staring us right in the face right now.
>> So would you consider the bunker gear your number one priority? >> Unfortunately. >> Okay. So let's put that down as number one. And what's number two? >> Number two is going to be a showstopper. Um the air packs and we can probably get
another year. >> Okay. You might be able to get another year out of the air. They go through testing and a variety of things to to see if you can buy a little bit more time, but we're getting close to the end. That number was put in by
one of my predecessors and I haven't adjusted it not knowing what the volatility is of those tanks. Now we get heads up displays. We get a variety of things that are on the mask um whether or not we need those or we don't. So we may be able to adjust that number but
I've left that number alone which has been there say 8 years. We've known that this date is coming and we're here. >> Uh what about the ambulance? >> So the ambulance um we're in good shape on ambulances right now. We've got two. The third one has been agreed to a town
meeting is coming online uh probably next month. And with our volume of work, um, we really need to run three because if we're down one, then we can't adequately hit it. We do 1,700 runs a year right now. Bigle of that it's 11 to
1200's medical. Um, so you could divide that under 365 days. There's multiples. This morning we had two out at the same time, which is our common. So we will need the third. The one that's going to be replaced, same as the fire trucks, getting over 100,000 hard miles on it and it'll need to be
replaced. That's our A1. It's two to three years to get them. Um, I have put it in play and right now the manufacturer needs to be able to know if we're going to move forward or not to keep our slot and if we don't, we lose
our slot and it'll add another year plus on top of it. So, if we keep that slot, um, we're looking at, it says a year, but it's really, I would guess it's two. They haven't been able to deliver on time. So, that ambulance is going to
need to be replaced. >> So, if we couldn't replace it, if we didn't have the funding now for that ambulance, it would be pushed off for another year. >> Yeah. And I think we can afford it. Depends on, you know, I've never been
one to be a diplomat. I had no desire to be. >> Um, but if they leave our receipts account alone, we could fund it. >> Okay. It could come out of the fire. >> Yeah. >> So, when I started, we were around $450,000
a year in income generating. Uh, we're already at almost 700. I think we could hit between 900 a million a year. And that's an internal thing that we do. It's how we manage it. And if we can continue with that, the cost of the town has maintained in the past 10 years pretty close to what it's at. This year
is going to see a bump because when you run out of money and you try to play catch-up, it does cost, but generally the contributions of the town have been around $800,000 a year and it's still going to maintain pretty close to that. But I think that we could potentially
afford it not knowing what medical insurance, Medicaid, Medicare, all is going to do for his contributions. >> I have a question, Gary. Is this um the ambulance is that fully equipped or >> No, no, it's not. >> So, we just we got an ambulance. Good question. We got an ambulance that's
coming in right now. Um was 375,000 escalation clause. It went to 425. >> By the time we're done outfitting it at the level that we're at, 600,000, >> big money. >> Yeah. But I don't know when you'll have your
recommendations on this. Um, but I will also tell you that when we start to play around with some of these numbers or we play around with these resources, our income will drop >> because we can't provide at the level that's required of us.
So the only reason we're generating what we're generating is because of what we have >> is what you have. Yeah. >> Any questions? Uh, when will you know about the grant? There was a thing here for the grant for the air pack. >> We're looking all the time. The grants are going away.
>> Okay. All right. >> Question on the ambulance. So, you said you have two ambulances now. The third is on order. So, this one would be replacing one of the two. >> One of the three. So, we've got two ambulances in play now. >> Yep. >> A1, A2.
>> Yep. A3 will go into service um in the month of March. We'll be running three ambulances. We we end up doing less with couple and good for them that they're doing better, but we still do a lot of runs in the
Groten, Ashby, Townsen, and of course, as needed, our true mutual aid partners at Lake Wenberg. So, uh, I mean, we're held together right now with a shoestring because we've lost some help, but I also think the town's people voted for it, and I take my job very seriously
to be able to deliver. Um, but there will be a day that someone could be hurt or dead because we aren't able to provide that level of care. And it won't be on my won't be on my watch. It'll have to be directed by those that say we're not going to do
that. So, we'll have three ambulances that should be able to provide us two on the street all the time. And >> Gary, how do they figure um how long a life of an ambulance should be? How do they figure that? >> Well, it's it's easier. I'll buy a truck
is 20 years. Uh the new trucks that we've got, because they're stainless, because of the new things, we should get 30. So, we've stepped that up a little bit on an ambulance. It's going to be mileage, going to be use, going to be abuse, it's going to be make sure you don't have any accidents. I do. And you have a state inspection. It's like a
mobile emergency room every year. >> Every year. >> How old are the ones we have now? >> Less than five. >> Yeah. Okay. >> They don't You'll be surprised. They take up beating.
>> Oh, I know they do. Yeah. I've been in them. >> They start, they stop, and it's quick accelerations. We've learned a lot about that >> when we're changing our engines to gas instead of diesel, not just because they're $10,000 cheaper, but a diesel
should run longer. A diesel should run hotter and doesn't have that ability here in Townsen. So, we're hoping to get more engine life out of them by going back to gas, even though gas is more expensive. >> But you get more engine life out of it. >> I think we do. Yeah. So,
maybe five years. Right now it's a three it's we've been waiting three years for this ambulance. >> Right. >> And there are communities around us that only have one ambulance. >> When do you expect to get it? >> Which one? >> The one that's coming in.
>> March. >> March. Oh. So it be soon. Okay. And but then you have to output. >> We got to get that done. >> Okay. We did that last year with the grant from the show fund. >> Oh, good. >> 175,000.
>> Okay. So, when you get it, it'll be fully operational. >> This this one is also good. >> But I truly believe and uh you know the reality of it is and you all at this table know it that um folks like to
throw rocks and if if we are left alone, we should be able to fund it on our own. >> Okay. But that's just for the ambulance, not to have it outfitted. Or is that for everything? >> Could be everything. >> Okay. >> But mark these words. The more we meddle
with what we can deliver for a service will impact the cash flow, >> which will impact the ability. And the worst thing that could happen is to approve something, take our cash away and then have it fall back on the town
or disrupt the program down here. There is not a town in the area generating what we have. >> So you think if we leave the cash flow alone, we'll be okay? >> If we leave what? >> The cash flow alone. >> If you leave the department alone. >> Yeah.
Well, that's a good point. >> I've had folks from other departments in the town call me and say that our receipt fund is town money and we should give it up. And if the town takes it, that's fine. But if you take it, it's going to compromise our ability to do our job. The town of A run the same
amount of calls. They have four people around the clock. They run a $2.8 million budget. I got a $1.65 million budget. We're doing the same thing. and it's only costing them town towns and less than a million bucks
and so if if I if I could influence anything I would strongly recommend and the rumor is that uh even though I don't go to haven't been able to make it to a department meeting because the time scheduling um is a$6 to $800,000
difference in the uh in the budget in the I don't because none of us know where it's going to go. Last year was 10 months. Um, if we can understand where we are going to go with this and we can figure out if we're going to be able to get bunker
pants or not, it would be great. Um, but I would it would be great to be able to book bunker pants and agree to an ambulance because it's still a few years out and it would cancel. We cancel >> and the air packs. We're going to do the best we can to find the best deal we
can. And honestly, I would try to cut the number in half >> for the ears. >> I try to find ways to keep our bottles. We have to have one bottle and a spare
bottle for each jack. Um, I would try to find a way to um to keep spare bottles of what we've already got. So, the just to give you an idea how this works, the fire across the street at uh
270 277 >> the auto place. >> Yeah. You know, the guy was in the building. They went in, they were able to grab them, they were able to get them out, they were able to get them on air. We can't do that unless we have the right effective equipment. And there will be a time if we don't have those
air bottles and masks and regulators. We're not going to be able to go in the buildings. >> So, that is the highest priority, but it's not right away. The highest priority today would be the bunk of pants at block 35. >> Okay. just for the public's um information because not everybody knows
what bunker pants are. >> Well, it should be called bunker gear, but it's fireprotective NOMX pants. >> I know what they are, but I mean >> and jacket and a Nomx hood and the right gloves, >> the right footwear, the right helmet. Now, we provide a helmet. Most guys buy
their own helmets around a thousand bucks a piece. >> Um and I will give our guys a lot of credit for that. They will uh get their gear issued to them from the town and if your head's not protected, you're not protected. We give them metro helic
that's that's adequate according to the NFDA, but it's not the real protection. Most of them will go with a leather helmet and they buy it themselves at thousand plus dollars at least. >> How long do they does the gear last? You know, what's what's >> uh helmets less than 10? Um I think gear
Cathy is 5 to eight. >> 5 to eight. Okay. I don't remember the last time they were bought. I mean, I've been on >> Oh, what helmets? >> No, the pants. When was the last time >> we buy We try to buy them every year. >> We try to buy, >> but we didn't buy them last year. >> We couldn't buy We push them off enough
now that we need to have something substantial. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. That's important to have to have. >> Anything else? >> You have um like gear washers. >> We do. You know, >> we have two. We have one in the harbor
station, one on the side station, and we have two gear dryers. >> Yep. >> You're always welcome to come down. You're not permitted to go from the bay into the building with your gear on because the amount of stuff that's >> contamination. >> But if we have a incident, that's exposure involved. Everybody's got to
strip down and their gear's got to go right for >> Yeah. >> I was in charge of renovating all of the Cambridge fire stations. >> Nice. >> Bringing them up to code. So, I know bunker gear. I know gear washers. I know all that stuff. >> They're doing the central station now,
aren't they? >> Yeah. >> For like 400 million. >> Crazy, right? >> Yeah. >> You know, if you want to talk to Cambridge because I've trained with a lot of those guys. I've been through my officer program with a lot of the guys. Cambridge probably has one of the >> other towns might get angry because for
the amount of people, the amount of equipment, probably one of the best approaches and attack plans when they have a first alarm, the amount of equipment, the amount of guys, the amount of gear that shows up is crazy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay.
>> Thank you. Thank you for coming. >> Will you be able to tell me anything that I can have this conversation with the selectman on uh on the ambulance? Not required to to get that, but they're pushing on the other side. >> Yep. Y >> who's the chair? >> I am.
We're going to be having a joint meeting with the select board on the 24th of February. >> So maybe the 1 of March is >> um we'll be probably trying to make our recommendations to the select board on
the 24th. >> So maybe by the 1 of we'll be open up something. >> Yeah. because hopefully we're going to get some information from Melissa on what our actual budget is. Um because
we're not quite sure how much money we actually have. >> Well, I think it's great what you're attempting to do, but clearly when we're facing a budget shortfall and >> and a budget that was pretty dis destroyed in the past two years, it's going to be hard for you.
>> Yeah, it is. So, but anyhow, we're trying to do our and we're trying to get as close to a million dollars a year in revenue as we can. >> Okay, great. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thanks for your time. >> Thank you. Okay.
I think um Rob is coming in it. >> There are sheets. >> So, um does everybody have a sheet? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So I think for now right um right >> this is
>> right >> um >> it wouldn't there wouldn't be any >> right >> so I think this is more if it's something new >> so if you add something different then
Does it reduce the cost or does it increase the cost? So you might get something that say new windows that would be that would reduce the cost because
>> efficiency, >> right? >> It would reduce like heating cost, >> right? So, >> so, >> but if it's if it's a new vehicle that they a brand new vehicle that they've never had before, >> so the the police decide they need a
helicopter. That would be an increase. >> Don't give them any ideas. >> Yeah. But I was looking at the ambulance as I don't know, maintenance to replace. >> Yeah, I was too. Yeah, >> I was looking at it because
um >> Yeah, >> well, it's essential though. >> Well, it's essent Yeah. See, that's the thing. Is it essential or is it maintenance? >> Oh, right. >> Um because you can look at it either way, >> right? And it's kind of maintenance
because it's replacing one. >> Yeah. It's replacing an existing one, >> right? Even though it's it's essential to have. >> Yeah. And >> so, >> but it's not like we don't have any. So, it's >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> it's two and one is old and whatever.
But, yeah, >> because I think like the police cars, it's it's maintenance because it's rotating them out. >> Yeah. >> And I think that's kind of how we >> do them. Okay. >> Thank you. >> How are you? >> I'm doing how you doing?
>> All right. It's uh 12 >> 12:31 and we're going to do our appointment with facilities. The way you have them listed on the sheet is that your priority rating. I mean the way you prioritized them.
>> Um I did but um I know one thing from this winter um the library apron um >> other places from the frost. >> Yeah. >> I'm in trouble over there. So >> is that the library roof?
>> Uh that's another >> sidewalk and Oh the library and senior center sidewalk. The worst I've seen it in six years with the frost tees and the ice, the icicles. I just was at the
police station to almost 6:00 last night dealing with ice stands, water pouring through the window trim into the wreckage room. >> All places. >> Yep. So, um yeah, I could um my top
priority is between the um the sidewalks over there right now to fix the the aprons coming in so it doesn't cause a tripping hazard. But then the better weather comes and we're going to have to try to make a a repair with hydraulic cement.
>> So, you have down here $12,000. Is that still is that still good? >> I would I'd probably cuz I I lost another walkway over by the island. Um the frost uh lifted all the handicap. >> Yeah. Um >> those little plates or whatever they
are. >> Yeah. Lifted up that. So I I would probably elevate that to 16,000. >> Okay. >> Cuz it's got to be report. >> Okay. >> And I um uh Karen uh did mention the other uh the
other day to me that he was going to put in for a grant for this building. So, um if that would happen, that would immensely help that uh line item seven uh with the um >> heating system. >> Yeah, the heating system and um the
foundation, the roof. I guess what is it 30 years ago? There there was a an overhaul done to this building. I think in the mid >> Was it that long? Yeah. 30 years. >> Yeah. The mid 90s. So that was that's about the same age as the police station
30 years. >> So just say he doesn't get the grant. How critical is the heating system? >> Well, we're working right now with Rise Engineering. Um we've been getting energy grants. >> Okay. >> So we'll see how that goes. And if
if all else fails, we're going to have to come up with something else next round next year and I'll have to move things around again. Okay. Um, how what about the windows? >> Are they falling out?
>> Well, there was another one on uh here that's was um really important. Uh well, the sprinkler system is going to be it's active is going to be starting next week for this building >> um to replace the glycol. That was a a
um a capital expense. >> Okay. >> 40,000 last year. >> Yeah. You got the money for that, >> correct? >> Right. So, they're going to start working on that >> on the 17th. >> Yeah. >> Uh for the um the the window reglazing. >> Um where am I at? Yeah.
>> I was looking at repair >> number three. >> Number three. >> Yes. Um yes, we have to do something about that because Mr. Arsenal um Arsenal is on carpentry right now. They're working on all the renovation of the building
for the trim, the rotted trim, and the back three corners are going to be uh painted um restained this spring. That contract was roughly 68,000, but the problem is is uh there wasn't enough
in capital. So, um, when Nelson signed, um, the contract, it's going to leave me coming up with over $15,000 out of this budget. So, I'm going to have to >> I'm going to have to scrape it from everywhere I can. The electric, the
leftover. >> Wow. >> Okay. So, you have a contract that's $15,000. >> You know, it was 68,000. I do believe >> it's short 15,000. And I'm sure about 15,000. >> I'm going to have to take it out of every
I don't know about free cash. Um unless I ask for what reappropriation of some funds or I'm going to have to take it out of electric. I'm going to have to take it out of the rest of my um >> they can turn the the light off at night. >> Building maintenance,
>> building supplies. Anywhere I can grab the rest of my money from out of my >> That's to complete that job, right? >> Yes. Okay. >> Okay. But let me just because my contracts by trade person so I always get so when Nelson signed the contract
for the $68,000 why isn't that person ordering that contract that he signed that he said he could do the work for $68,000. Well, they're they're all going to do it for 68,000, but in the capital, I only had an X amount of money, leaving me to
come up with the rest out of my budget. >> Oh, okay. >> So, he's honoring his >> Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. I got it. >> So, the >> Was there any um it was grant money or not grant money to that?
>> That was grant money. the 68 or the >> no it was only45 >> 45 I think so >> okay >> so there's no more grant money available we can't put it there no good >> yeah okay
>> so okay so just let me ask so let's go back to number three repairing the windows is that still up there in your priority >> well yes if for the window reglazing and then after they get reglazed I I have to protect the windows somehow. I mean, we
have, if you look in the great hall, we have uh interior >> stone windows when they should be on the exterior protecting. If you look at the congressional church over and at the um the commons there, >> I mean, that that's basically what I'm
>> Yeah. >> I'm looking for is that kind of exterior window treatment. >> I What is I I don't know what is over there. What are they using over there? Like a plexiglass. >> Yeah, it's Is that what it is? It's kind of like a plexiglass. >> So, is that framed or anything or is it
just >> um some uh I noticed a frame with a white >> trim around it and others I think are just placed on. They're probably drilled and secured some. Yeah. But, um is that going to protect the stained glass windows?
>> I would say yes. >> More so than the outside on the outside than it was on the inside because you're getting the rain and the >> Well, yeah. All the Yeah. Cuz the element, right? Yeah. Because my front door is rotting from all the frame rain and the snow. >> Some of the windows facing on this side
in the great hall are so bad. If you went out there, you could see in between the lead daylight. >> Well, the ones up here with the windows are rattled. >> No, I agree. >> Those I could put exterior storm windows on. You could come up with something better for the break room.
>> Okay. anything to to get more, you know, protection and longevity. >> Well, not only that until we can get too >> a historical grant to redo the building again. >> No. So, >> the exterior anyways to protect the
stained glass, >> the grant that Karen's going after, is it just for the heating system or >> No, I think it would be for the building itself. for the building >> building itself and that should should encompass the um the boilers itself if we get the right kind of grant.
>> Okay. But it would mostly be the heating system. And what part of the building would that grant? >> Well, hopefully the grant would encompass if they come out and look at it and um assess everything correctly, everything could be piled into one project. >> Like the siding and whatever.
>> Siding is being done right now. >> Oh, okay. And >> oh, like the roof >> in the roof. The roof is coming up for replacement as well. >> Yeah, that's >> because the roof was never correctly done right. They never they never used the first three ft of the uh the snow and ice.
>> Yeah. >> As you can see in his office is taken in some water. >> Yeah. So they never do. So yeah. >> So when do you have is the roof on your plan for this year? >> It's for next year. >> It's for next year.
>> Next year number five. Yeah. Yeah, we repair the roof foundation and chimney is FY28. Um, okay. >> Number nine is a floor cleaning machine unless we can get a um somebody can work
some kind of a grant for that. Um, that that would be for the uh senior center to >> Oh, to clean the floors over there. >> To clean the floors so we can preserve it better. It's um the rock salt in there is getting trapped in. It's really
doing a number on the floors over there and I'm trying to keep up the best I can. >> Yeah, I know. That's Yeah, >> we I have some volunteers that are >> um they're they're stepping up to the plate uh helping clean. >> Yep. Trish and Paul. >> Yes, Trish and Paul.
>> And then I also have um Miss Adams that took care of the greeting room so we closed that up for the winter and um she volunteered so she didn't lose her hours. Mhm. >> Um and then she's over at the senior center on Fridays
>> um cleaning the bathrooms >> in the hallways. >> Yeah. >> Which helps out immensely. >> What's what's in the hallways? Is it is it flooring or is it is it >> No, it's it's tile. >> It's tile. >> It's tile. We don't get any carpet until you're in the main part of the senior
center, the library. >> Correct. Uh then they have this new type of floating floor that's in the squan room one and two on the >> That's ridiculous. >> Yeah. So >> yeah, because I know Trish and Paul, they're there um cleaning tables and
sweeping floors. >> Exactly. And um you know the the senior center uh Elise um she's helping out a lot with the supplies >> to keep down on my budget end um for
cleaning and we swap off and buying toiletries and stuff like that to help let my budget stretch a little bit. Mhm. >> Now we're approaching level spending. So,
>> yeah. So, repairing the library roof, how critical is that? >> Um, well, repairing there are some sections um that need attention. It is uh critical during the heavy rain and the ice melt. Um, we have um roof
drains uh that that above the ceiling and they go out through the side and they drain out somewhere. But uh I noticed one of the elbows is leaking and it's been dripping. So we had to put a bladder bag up there. It's not really leaking bad, but it's just during heavy
rain uh and uh and the ice melt. So, we're keeping an eye on that and we're trying to get through until we can have we can get money. I just would have thought there would
have been some kind of um warranty on that. >> No warranty? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> How old is that? How old is that? >> Oh, that's This has been closed for what, 13 years over here? >> Oh, they're over here. Okay. >> So, that building's roughly, I'd say, in
the vicinity of 13 13 14 years. Mhm. You wouldn't think a membrane roof would go, you know, have that kind of issues. >> No, >> frequently go up on the roof and clean all the roof pits. So, none of the um
pine needles that are sitic and stuff would go down through there. So, >> uh last um fall I went up there and I cleaned out a dozen roof fence and I got like a wheelbarrow load of debris. Oh, I
bet. >> So, my last thing is, you know, given that we have a slim amount of money, >> I just want to know which are your most critical items on here, >> the windows and the walkways, the sidewalks, the
aprons >> over at the library. >> What about the sidewalks in Memorial Hall? If I could get some kind of funding for that, we could do that uh in-house. I spoke with um Jimmy Smith and um we
could um with Parks and Cemetery and myself, we could >> and the and the summer help with a small light item. I have extra help since I've lost a, you know, a part-time worker. So, we could do Yeah. And and Paul, he's
cut in half his cleaning hours. Okay. >> Yeah. So, it's um I'm stretched pretty thin. So, I'm hoping that we can uh buy some asphalt and make our own f uh forms or the only other um the only other suggestion I could say is we get rid of
those walkways going from the back parking lot, those three granite, two granite steps. We'd add extra granite slabs, level that out, pour some soil, and grass it all the way. And the people were just going to
have to they use a restaurant over there, they're going to have to park their car and walk around. >> I mean, that would be the and it would cut back on um labor uh during the winter, removing snow and ice. >> So, our main walkway would be just the
brick uh the brick walkway coming to the front door. Okay. >> Unless we comply down the road with the um ADA, uh the only other way I could see that is next to the town administrator, that window would come out and there would be
a gradual ramp that would go down and shoot out. So, we'd need a partial um tired walkway to get back to the main brick walkway. But that's what I would say for now. If you know if I could you go through
whoever I don't think this is nothing to do with the HTC tired walkways. I think it's just the main walkways. But >> that would be my suggestion to save save money. >> Either we get the extra money to retire it and take all the potholes out of it
and make it safe or we just tear it up and and turn it all into grass again. Well, if it was retainly it wasn't brick walkway to begin with. >> No, it was there that was after. >> So that was an after. >> That was an after go backass.
>> I would like to see it go back to grass. >> I think maintenance and I mean water >> if it saves us money over the long run, >> right? And then we would just put up a small type of fence to keep them from walking through because if we return it to grass, they're going to park there
and they're going to walk right across the grass. And I think that's why they ended up with a pave walk. >> They could be. >> Oh, okay. >> Because they made a trail through there. So, >> and that's probably what they would do again. >> So, I would say is just to return it to grass and put up a small fence
>> over here. >> Attractive. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> It would look a lot better, too. >> Oh, yeah. I think you're right. >> Yeah. >> Now, what about the brick walkway? Does that mean walk or >> I put this somewhere in there? Um, >> is it the
next somewhere I read about the brick? >> Oh, that was on the the actual sheet. I think when you did the description for the replace the Laura Hall sidewalk. >> Yes. >> I think it in the description. I think you said >> that's what I would like to do is um
because those are quite dangerous during the winter. They ice up >> and then they they start in the heat. >> Yeah. >> Um proper material wasn't really put in there to to start it. >> Um I would like to down the road is um
put a stamp concrete. >> I was I was thinking stamped concrete >> and we could make it look historic. >> Oh yeah. >> They have different types of um molds >> and color >> and stamps and color. You can add pigment to the >> concrete and I think that would be a lot
cheaper. >> I did that at one of my houses that I owned. I had a stamped concrete >> patio and we could make it a um a rough texture. So it's um it's there's more of a grip. >> Well, they actually they make one that
looks like cobblestone even. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. It is very very nice looking >> when the building's done. Plus that I think it would really make the front it would make it really pop. Yeah. >> Make it look nice. >> Now, is that something that you think
should be done like soon? >> Well, that'd be nice if we could get that in by FY28 if we >> if we come out of a >> budget crisis. >> Yeah. >> Get a big donor that hits the power wall.
>> So, uh you could put that down for the FY28. >> Yes. Okay. Those are my two major league items and and getting the active um projects completed.
I would be quite happy. Okay. >> Take the burden off my back a little bit. and we'll see what Rise Engineering comes up with a plan uh to help us out with the heating system, what route we go, whether we go multiple mini splits
with heat pumps. We save on gas, but I don't know what the electric >> I heard heat pumps are expensive to run. They're cheap to put in, but expensive to run, >> right? And you need alternate heat, too. But when you get uh below like 17° or so
outside, then you kind of wish you had a secondary heat source to kick in. >> Yeah. Cuz I put electric baseboard heat in my basement and um it was very cheap to put in. Yeah. >> But I I can't run it unless somebody's
actually using it because it like >> tripled my electric bill. >> Correct. Unless you went for that new generation electric heat. They have oil filled coils in there and >> Oh, yeah. No, I did it quite a while ago. So, um
>> because the coils keep it hot, right? >> The once the oil's heated in the coils, it stays warm for a long time. So, it doesn't >> it doesn't really call that much. >> Anybody else have any more questions? No, no, >> I think we're good then.
>> All right. Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you. >> Everybody have an awesome weekend and >> we'll see everybody around all week. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> I think we're going to try to take a pause. So, I got to go down and get Melissa, please.
>> We're going to come up and um give us our budget. >> No problem. Thank you. Bye, C. This is a well, you know, now this is makes it hard to fill this out because I take out part of the >> You know what I mean?
>> Mhm. >> I mean, I like the idea rid of the side. >> Oh, yeah. >> I'm sure that um >> Adam won't like it. >> Next door. >> Well, I know that. Yeah. >> But it's not his or
>> it's not his property. >> Exactly. >> And I think people are parking out front anyway. >> I think >> for the most part I think pretty much >> okay. No, I don't I don't know what I do.
>> It's too much paper. >> I've got too much paperwork. I don't know what I'm looking at anymore. We need like we need a divider. Now recreation. You want me to run back? This is a donut and rock.
>> Um, I got fire here. This is the first one. Okay. I know it's open up there. It's upside down. Okay. >> So, I I figured out fire again.
>> Well, no, I didn't. >> Melissa creation, please. Happy Friday the 13th, y'all. >> All right, so this is here. >> I love that haircut. >> Oh, thanks. >> We're going to go to the budget
discussion. >> All right. >> 3.2. Now, let me just Kathy, get organized over here. There's no hope for me. >> I thought I had it all, but then now I'm looking and it's like, where did it go?
>> Where? I have so many pieces of paper. >> I know. >> But there was that email. >> I didn't know if you'd like to make copies if you wanted. >> Um, >> oh, what was Karen's um budget thing?
Oh, I just saw that. >> I know. Is it this one here? >> Um >> Oh, that's No. >> Okay. >> Well, it could be that way. There was one that had the um the what is it? 558.
>> Oh, no. I didn't see the one with 558. This one was 500, but then when he was here, we >> No, he did he did send um >> Wait a minute. Did I just find But anyways, um
Oh, it's going to come out. >> Oh, this is a free cash certification, which is $558,000. >> What's What's that? >> The free cash certification, it's $558,880.
558 558. >> Yeah. >> 8880. >> Okay. So that was that's So that's that number. Now >> is that higher than we expected? >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. A little higher. >> A little higher. >> 58. A little bit. >> I looked at what's like maybe 58,000 more. So, so we have at the special town meeting, isn't there a bunch?
>> Yeah, >> cuz I'm going to I know he said the uh snow and ice expenditures are projected a total of 400,000 unless we get more snow. So I would and he said it could go to 450.
So I think for I was thinking for our planning purposes for money spending we just use the 450 figure because >> but how much do they have in their budget? >> They have to start with >> 241,600 241.
>> So we got to subtract that from the 450. See, because even if we get little bits of snow, they still need to treat the streets, I would assume. >> Even if it's a couple of inches of snow,
>> and I'm not good with math. So, >> so 29,000 I'll need out of 558. Okay. What did you call? >> 209.
Wouldn't that be right? Yeah. 450. Mhm. >> Okay. So, Melissa, are you going to tell us what we can borrow, not borrow, or how how does this all work? >> Yeah. I'm not going to tell you anything. >> Okay. >> So, the majority of the questions that
you guys are asking, I'll start out with this. Um >> Okay. our for the accountant uh and for the town administrator and for other committees to decide. I as treasur collector am basically the last person involved in the whole process. I just
get told you know it was voted on the town meeting do something you know do it. Um so in other words borrow it. So I I follow the directions of what I'm told. I have not been involved in the budget process
um except sometimes giving the town administrator an estimate of what an interest rate the going interest rate is you know to kind of give them other than that for budget purposes I give uh a
spreadsheet that goes all the way to the end our our borrowing um as of right now goes the last payments on current borrowing that's been already been done uh goes to FY 2038
and there's a spreadsheet and there's some hidden columns that goes all the way out. I attached it to the email >> and it gives me every year and whenever there's new debt uh I just add it to the spreadsheet and that's where I get the budget number for the >> okay
>> for okay so um really the process before that you had some you know obviously you guys had some great questions but I directed them to um Elizabeth the town accountant uh
And in one email she answered the question and I can go over that. >> Okay, great. >> And then the second email that I attached um we have what is called um uh our financial advisors. So that most
towns do not expect the treasurer collector to be um savvy in borrowing, right? I mean that's like >> eight more years of a degree. Um and we have a bond council that that both work
together and they work together with me. Uh so I did direct I think a question as well to that you asked to the bond council sorry uh our financial advisors called EUASI which is UFASI which is UNI
bank financial advisory something something EUASI uh so that was the other one and I'll go over that as well. So shall I just start with um questions? Okay. >> All right. So you the question that came to us uh the first one was do you know
if the 31,000 of the highway cat loader lease was taken out of the capital stabilization fund. This is from the accountant and she says yes the 31,100 was transferred to cover the highway cap
order. And she also included a general ledger uh report showing that um that money was put into that general ledger account which uh is not it's in the ATM uh
annual town meeting article section. Okay. All right. Uh yeah. As far as leasing versus borrowing, your second question was what is the balance of the capital stabilization fund?
Uh looks like uh the report that she attached um shows the balance as 46,531 and 84. So that is a report from our accounting software radar
and um it shows payments to date. So just realize that if a payment hasn't hit that's not the true balance. You maybe have to rephrase the question maybe what is the projected um >> what was allocated? >> Yes.
>> Yeah. Because last year I would expect about 21,000 to be the balance. So last year there were at town there was um about to appropriate about 40 46 or 51,000 out of island capital that was there
last year leaving very little. So it sounds like something that was approved that maybe hasn't paid yet. >> Exactly. That's what I'm thinking as well. >> Okay. Okay. So >> So that's the balance as of today but it's not the actual balance because there are payments that are coming.
>> Exactly. So um that might be a great um you know question for the accountant and her and I can work together um uh to if you can say what is the projected um balance
based on um what what is expected to be expended um trying to think of the best way of >> from town warrant articles. >> Yes, there you go. The town war. Okay. >> Yeah. Because what they'll do is they'll take the town warrant articles and say
that you guys towns that voted 100,000 that becomes the budget number or or the if there's like more than one. So they'll say okay your budget is all the town articles and then your expenses are
as they're paid throughout the year like leases etc. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But that's more of an accounting question. Uh, okay. Moving on unless someone interrupts or not interrupts.
Uh, hi Don. Hi. >> Happy uh Friday the 14th, 13th and and Valentine's Day. Um, the highway department has uh the next question on the email from you Carol was the highway department has an FY27 request for
310,000 dump truck with plow. Should we consider purchasing outright verse leasing uh HW providing financing option at 4.99%. What can we afford? Uh and what is our borrowing cap capacity? So that led me
into talking with you. Okay. So we'll go to the next one. So hi Melissa, it's from uh Derek Bower um atasi. It says affordability is really something the town needs to to determine internally.
It comes down to what level of tax impact or annual budget commitment your leadership is comfortable with. So yeah, so we all know it all circles back to the budget. Okay. Um so I've attached uh he attached the most recent debt statement on file um for the town which
for him was 61825. So the end of last fiscal year as of that date the remaining borrowing capacity was 70,000 226 oh
>> 70 million >> got two commas I'm like 76 70,000 sorry my bad 70 million226 and 230 70 comma 226 6 comma 230 70 million and change.
>> I know I I was reading at 70 because I was giving it. >> Okay. >> So that's your your borrowing capacity, but it you know >> Well, that doesn't necessarily mean you should do that. >> Exactly. It just means that's your your cap u at this time based on um uh for
example um Elizabeth said Melissa whatever the borrowing capacity is a formula of the town's EQV >> I don't know what that is I forgot to look it up before I got here equalized value something or other versus the
current authorized debt. >> Yeah. So that's the number that the gave us in answer. >> Okay. To expand on what the accountant and what you were asking, what is your um >> borrowing capacity?
>> Borrowing capacity and it's a formula and you gave us uh did the math for us and 70 million. >> Okay. But >> I don't know if that makes anybody happy or not, but that's >> Well, no. I guess what I >> you got to balance it with what the tax
rate >> Well, yeah. So, >> we have do we have any loans that are going to be paid off this year so that if we were to stay within the budget
>> and and we have payments that equal to the year million dollars. >> Yeah. >> Do you know what I'm saying? >> Yeah, I got that all. That's what the spreadsheet is. >> Oh, okay. So the spreadsheet tells you when something falls off the radar goes to zero. So for example, it's hard to read, but you get a spreadsheet like
let's say 29. In 29, we're going to pay off those that line and it goes to zero and it reduces the debt. So every year there's hidden columns of others that that fall off. However, for next year, uh, FY27, because we had new debt, 2.1
million, um, for an for ATM, the, uh, FY27 went up uh, 37,000 and change. Um, so normally, Kathy, you're absolutely right. As we retire debt,
>> Mhm. >> you know, remember what you did? you retired. >> Yeah. >> So, so I thought, >> yeah, right. >> Remember that word. >> So, when you retire the debt, yes, you every year, not only is debt retired, but your payments um maybe your
principles might stay the same, but your interest goes down like your mortgage payment. So, so you should always, you know, you would hope that, you know, oh, every year something's going to retire the or the interest's going to go down and it's not going to go up.
Balance that with what you vote on or new debt and that's what happens. Um, so there was some new debt. Um, or debts. For example, there was debt in two an ATM article that for the two fire trucks. Now, they
didn't get bought and paid for. Uh they weren't expected to be delivered until October, November, like two, three months ago. So, I didn't borrow the money because I didn't borrow it three years ago when I didn't have the product and didn't need the money because we
would have been paying interest. So, that got borrowed like last year, the year before, whatever the dates are. So, it's kind And then there's things that if it's less than 2.5 million, like the 2.1 million I referenced a minute ago um
that I did in October um of last year. Don't don't it's all it's all in the um so so if that was a shortterm bond. So every year we go out to bid and you can only like do that for
like two three years tops. without starting to pay principal. So you could borrow for two to three years. I'm sorry if it's it might be three, but the year you borrow it and then two more years after that. You can you don't have to make um payments on the principal.
You only have to make payments on the interest. And actually you go out to bid every year. So you someone else some other bank buys it your 2.1 loan and your interest rate might change but either way you can't keep doing that forever because everybody would be doing
that and the law says no at some point you just can't keep rolling over the debt. >> It's not good business sometimes. So, something that happened uh two, three years ago, short-term bond, I'll have to start paying principal on uh a couple years. And that I uh the 2.1 million
isn't in uh that spreadsheet for anything past 2027. Okay. Uh then, um so that spreadsheet is really really helpful. It's hard to read. Um, and then
you guys were asking what can we afford. I can't answer that. That's that's based on all the data that you're going to get in and in and talking to someone else. So, that's where I'm like I can't advise you um on that one.
That's that's not me. Um, the last one was um, uh, short-term rates through the Mass State House note program. Not that I want to give you a full lesson on being a treasury collector. Um, but that's
kind of like you there are ways you can borrow short-term bands. You can borrow from the state, which is a state house note. You can through that. Anyway, um the state house note program, if we were to go that way, versus a bond. Everybody
thinks of long-term bonds, short-term bands, right? Um think of a state house note as a short-term ban. Um they're currently around 3.4% to 3.8%. So, if it's something under like 2.5 or
under 2 million, you your choices are a short-term ban or state house note. So, um, that's roughly where the interest rates are this time for something that's that's not going to be a long-term bond, like a 20-year
bond, a 15-year bond, 30-year bond. Um, uh, yeah. Uh, just for the record, the attachment uh, gave a debt statement um, that looks like this. And it is showing you guys the calculations,
the calcs that got us to that 70 million number. >> It was on the attachment. >> We get that forwarded. >> Uh, that's your her job. >> Okay. Okay. >> Carol, I gave it to Carol yesterday. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Did you give it to me? >> Yeah, I sent everything with all the passwords.
>> You know what? >> Send it to >> Yeah. >> Oh, look it again. Cuz my computer's weird sometimes. >> Sorry. I was going to ask if anybody wanted copies. I can certainly make copies right now. >> You sure? >> Yeah. >> As soon as I get back to my desk, um I
have >> your email, but I don't know about you guys. I don't know anybody else. >> I sent it yesterday. >> Did you send it yesterday? Okay. I'll go back and look and I can send it out. >> And if I didn't get it, I'll let you know. Yes. or otherwise I'll
>> cuz I I hate what my computer does. If I get multiple emails from the same person, it compresses them all. >> Oh god, I know. >> And then it's like then I don't always We got to like >> I can't really get to the one here. >> Yeah.
>> So, let me go back and if I can't find the attachment, I'll let you know. And otherwise, I'll just send it out to everybody. >> Okay. Um, also in the attachment, uh, other than this long spreadsheet is the FY27
20 and FY26 27 Omnibus with the numbers plugged in for, um, interest in short-term and long-term. Um, uh, and that's the breakout of the FY27 budget. There's also a line item for
$10,000 for short-term ban interest last minute. Something happens. You guys vote something and I need to borrow right away and it's a short-term ban. Like if I don't like something comes up in May and all a sudden you got someone put a warrant on and wants to borrow $500,000 that we didn't know about. We always put
in the budget $10,000 and a separate line from debit and interest to cover the cost of a short-term ban for the initial year that we borrow. So you'll find that the debt number from this longer spreadsheet is
plugged into the omnibus um budget broken out. Um so that's where I get and then those figures are given are are taken out from the actual loan itself. Uh, I have a debt schedule that's given
to me by UASI and I just take all of those documents and plug them into a spreadsheet. That's what that long thing is. Did that answer your question, Kathy, about you know projecting year to year to year to year. Well, from what I can tell going up.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you guys are exactly like like >> unless we have a other funding source. >> Yeah. basically nothing. >> Exactly. And the previous town administrator um did direct me to or kept asking, Melissa, can we can we do
something about um you know the the terms of a of a bond and or the short term ban? And the only way to affect that is is by renegotiating or that's not the word.
Yeah. renegotiating and re saying no. So something is has a $20 20 year useful life. Uh a cat, right? >> Meow cat. Yeah. >> Uh, and could you we maybe have borrowed
on it saying that it has a 10year useful life and there are certain things that can be like okay you can say it's 15 year useful life or a 20 year useful life certain things. Um, but really the
the the borrowing that's done through through me with Iasi and our bond council is all about getting the best deal and doing it legally and you know um
sometimes you don't want to borrow uh 20 years for a cap. You want to pay it off in 10 years. You know what I mean? So, and I know that's where you guys are at in terms of I believe do you want to lease or do you want to borrow on it?
>> Um, all depends on what who you negotiate with with the lease terms. Would it be better? You know, I could do a scenario on on a on a debt. But again, realize I I do what is called bundling. You know,
like the the those American pickers, they go in and they bundle. So, if there's certain things I don't need to borrow right away or or some or I haven't borrowed yet and all of a sudden another vote comes through, even though they're different fiscal years, um I'll
group them all try to group them all together to get a better interest rate. So, there are certain things to help that's that's a lot. Um I think I covered everything, but uh yeah, you'll like the um attach the um email. We'll
have >> I think that was it. >> Any questions for what can we for? >> Okay. Any questions that you can think
of? Is there's anything that you'd like me to uh you know if I leave and you've got more questions, you know, >> we know where to find you. >> Yeah. I do respectfully request that you
um send them to Elizabeth and myself and copy Karen. Not that he's involved or anything, but he is my boss and I don't really do anything without letting him know, you know. Um and for the most
part, again, um when it comes to balances in accounts and stuff like that, that's all the accountant. Uh, I don't know if I should take this opportunity to kind of I think you all understand the difference between what a treasurer does and an accountant or you'll learn by the
end of this this video if you keep asking me because like 80% of these questions work for the accountant and not me. So, I'd rather let's send it to both of them, both us, Elizabeth and myself because she's that's what she gonna pay for. Uh, so I
just turned around and forwarded it to Elizabeth and she, you know, responded. So, and I, you know, uh, she's in Florida, so I said, "Yeah, I'll, you know, come here." >> Okay. Q&A or
I think I Okay, just for the record, I had two of those donuts in case you were wondering. Like, right, Kathy's looking at me like I have five heads like talk like this all the time. So much sugar. >> Shake donen.
>> No. No. They they came afterwards. I was here first round. Yeah. The first round. It had sprinkles. They had sprinkles and I'm diabetic like you weren't beeping all >> I'm ready to.
>> But yeah, you guys got your work cut out for you, don't you? >> Um uh yeah. So, I haven't seen the the capital uh or been watching any of your meetings, but >> what's the number that you guys have so
far for request? >> 400. No, more than that, actually. >> I was just wrong. >> Oh, we have a lot. >> Oh, it's Oh, the total >> the total so far >> it's 2 something million. So, if you
were just to off the cuff take the interest rate >> um and say I borrowed it this year um and you had no payments for the for 27 and 28 and 29, you'd have to do
principal plus interest, start paying principal plus interest on 2 something million if it was if it ended up being a short-term uh ban. if it ends up being a bond. You know, again, we're on the cusp when it comes to 2 million 2.5, whether
it's a ban or a bond. Short-term. Uh so, if it's a short-term ban or state house note, um you could get away get away. You legally uh don't have to pay interest for three years, but you count the year that you borrow it. So, you're
talking about 2930 um for the principal you wouldn't have to pay. So, say you take 4% interest on two 2 whatever million, you know, that's that's what you would expect to pay in 2728. So, if you're looking for what you
can budget, you know what I mean? Um, I mean, obviously there's no money period in the story. But if you were to fantasize and, you know, live a fantasy world, >> you're going to play the water. >> Yeah. Yeah. You, you know, uh, you know, anonymous benefactor. Um, you know,
that's where you you do your calculations of what you can afford is based on that. If it comes to about 2.5 million above and it's a long-term bond over 20 years, you know, again, it would be principal plus interest. Um, so you
would take the um bond and divide it by the number of years that you borrowed, 10, 20, 30. That's your principal. And then on top of and I could do a spreadsheet where it's okay here's the principal it's the same for every year and then the
interest on this blah blah blah is whatever 4% the next year it's less what you paid in the year before you know you do the the 4% and I could calc till the end of the bond what the payments would be with short-term bands as well the
first two to three years and I I'm just going to say three years the first three year no I'm going to say two years first two years you don't pay principal when you go to pay the interest. You there's a calculation where it's like you have
to divide by three years not five years the principal. So you know I can calc the principal out as well. I've done that calculations before. So when you guys are looking at what you can afford and you know you know the answer is nothing but you know if you wanted
actual numbers you know you might you could give me what you're thinking of approving >> or ask me to do some scenarios >> you know math stuff. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you.
You guys keep up the good work. Uh, have fun. >> Yeah. Friday 13th. Good job. >> Y >> and happy balance. All right. >> I hope that was helpful. >> Thank you so much. >> Yeah. You're welcome. You're welcome.
I'll see you. I'll see you when I get back. >> Oh, bye. >> Bye, Melissa. Thank you. I can. >> So, has anybody been reading them as we go along or are you going to take them
home and think about it or Yeah. What are we doing? >> I'll do. >> Yeah. >> Well, but we still don't know how much money we're dealing with. That's the thing that we Yeah, we we really >> So, we just rate them and then >> I think we just take it from there. I
think we rate them. Um, which means we probably need to create yours. >> I can't even find them all. My papers are just everywhere. >> We'll just have to figure out the facilities. I'll just rate them all.
>> Well, you know, the thing where it gets confusing now is the facilities because if we do this, it's one thing. Did we do that? >> Well, with the facilities he said the most
>> important >> his basically his number one is the seating. >> No, number one is the library and senior sidewalks library >> and that's going to be 16k instead of the 12k
>> 16. >> Okay. So, I have my recreation one, but I can't find that. I can't find the police one. >> Is there Well, he said he said the windows were number one and the
>> No, the sidewalk was number one and the windows was number two, >> right? >> Because the sidewalk has to be That has to be done. >> Um cuz that's a safety liability. Yeah. >> Yep. So, >> and the windows are two. And the windows are two.
The heating system he's looking for a grant. >> Yep. >> And then kind of said the roof could be put off a little bit. And then we talked about the memorial hall doing the grass seed instead of the black top or whatever.
>> Yeah. Sidewalks. >> Sidewalk. >> Yeah. >> So I think um cuz we have to we have to make recommendations to the select board. make motions and like recommendations.
>> So, the sidewalk is first. >> Yeah, cuz that has to be done. I mean, we have to pay for that no matter what >> because we can't I mean, God I mean, I go on Wednesdays to the senior center and you know, between the walkers and
canes >> and people that should be on >> to be done because that's a loss of weight and half >> and people that should be on walkers or canes and don't use them. >> Something another donut. No, >> how do you do this?
>> So, I just forwarded um the email of the attachments to Carol and Natalie because those are the only people I drew their emails to. Okay. >> And two, you should have told me I had lipstick on my teeth. >> I didn't I didn't notice. >> I don't think you did.
>> Okay. Thanks, Melissa. >> All right. Wait a minute. So, okay. So the sidewalks are something that have to be done. So when it comes to affecting and operating maintenance
cost, it doesn't reduce. >> Oh, okay. Looking at the uh >> yeah, >> the facilities. Okay, >> just try. >> All right. So >> So you're looking at facilities. >> So if you're looking at facilities and repairing the library and senior center
sidewalks. >> Okay. So it's essential. It's essential, >> right? >> So, ranking is very high. >> Yep. >> High ranking. Okay. >> High ranking. Um I think when I looked at his sheet, um the
>> So 20 years, you're saying to >> you said 10 to 19 10. So I put 10 to 19 years. >> Okay. >> Now affecting an operating and maintenance cost. I didn't really know. I was >> I think the cost thing changed because
it's not going to cost anything once it's put in. >> Right. It's not going to reduce cost or increase just that. So So that gives 10 20 30 I guess. Oh, and zero don't. >> No, it doesn't. >> No. >> 10 27
>> five and five. >> Where'd you go? >> The thing is we need to do these separately, right? Because if somebody else has a different opinion and then >> Yeah. So everybody do whatever. whatever you want. >> And then we can >> But that gives you an idea. >> That gives you an idea how to do it,
>> right? >> All right. I get this a pencil. So, are we raiding Memorial Hall sidewalks or >> What did he say about that? Was he going to um >> because if he tears it up, he's going to do that.
>> He's going to do that. >> Grass. >> He's going to put the grass. So, put it down like low priority. I don't know how we do. So would it be improve efficiency instead of maintenance? I mean
essential. >> Yeah. >> Instead of essential, would it just be I think improve efficiency? I don't know. That's a tough one. >> Yes. Go back. Okay. Okay.
Are they are they looking in on a grant for the library roof? >> He didn't say that. He just said he was looking for the grant for the uh replace the heating >> system, but I think he said the library roof could go to next year.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. Well, well, well. Okay. Heat. So, where are we on the agenda of this? Um, we >> What's this? I just want to know because that way we can
>> we're on the 3.1 Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. down. Heat. Heat. HEAT.
HEAT. HEAT. MHM. I'm overthinking it. >> I think I am. Yeah, I'm overthinking it. Okay. So, one of these next give you mine. I don't know what
Okay. I'm just making sure I have them all. >> I will get to get mine next week. That's right. >> Okay. Cuz I think >> we need them before then. >> We need them before the 24th, right? >> Oh, yeah. That's the week after.
>> Two weeks from now. >> Is that two weeks from now? So, we should we meet next Friday then? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That'll work. >> Okay. All right. That will work. So, >> everybody have um
whatever. Okay. And I'll put them on a spreadsheet. >> Good luck. Question. >> Okay. I'll figure it out. And you'll bring yours next to the next meeting that way. >> And Veronica is going to give me hers Tuesday night.
And um if you have yours, I'll take them off. Okay. >> And I'll just You can give me everything and I'll fix it all up. Then I can do that. >> Are we supposed to be someplace Tuesday night? >> What? Wednesday. Is it Wednesday?
>> Did you say Tuesday night? You're >> Oh, yeah. Um I think that's adult. Oh, what? What is Tuesday night? >> We We thought we were having come, but we're not. It's going to be >> No. Is it a joint meeting with the uh select board Tuesday? >> No, we had both of them.
>> It was a joint meeting. There was only two scheduled and I don't think board of selectman >> I thought there was three scheduled. >> I don't think board selectman have anything on. >> Oh, okay. >> Let me just say I'll see you Tuesday
night. So, I don't know. That's okay. If she gives it to me Friday, then that's fine. >> Who said she'll see you Tuesday night? >> Veronica. So, I just assume I guess I just in my mind when she said that I thought we had last Tuesday night.
>> Yeah. Well, she might be confused, too, cuz I'm confused. >> Everybody's got so much going. >> I'm confused. I still don't know how much money we have, but I guess we'll figure that out. >> But I I I still don't know. >> There's no meeting scheduled for the 17th.
>> Okay. At all. >> At all. Okay. All right. Then I'll just get them. I'll schedule the meeting for Friday. >> Okay. >> And um Veronica and Natalie can give us their numbers. And >> um
and I remembered to do the Zoom to get it through us. >> Oh, we weren't in Zoom. >> Well, I screwed up. I forgot to ask about >> I don't mind not being up either. >> I But Kathy went and got that fixed. So,
>> well, Jack did it. Yeah, >> Jack did it because I just I forgot to request it. So, I'll I'll request it. Um, >> okay. So, now what could I do? >> I've got so many paper.
>> I'll just Oh, you know what? >> Before I get messed up, um, these are all yours are all written. I'm just going to put your initials on them. Just because >> Oh, there's
some >> on your spreadsheet. You put our our initials or name or nothing or >> I was putting your initials >> or else I could put member. I don't care. But either way, sheet >> the rating. I was just going to do one spreadsheet.
>> Everybody's input. >> I mean, do you want >> Well, you have to average them out anyway. >> Yeah. Yeah. So I could put initials. I could put number >> remember number 1 2 3 4 5 6. >> Yeah, I could do that. >> It could be anonymous because it doesn't
matter in the end. Okay. >> You didn't give me your You didn't give me your >> things, did you? >> Yes, >> you did. All right. >> I didn't put my name on them. >> I didn't either. >> Oh gosh. Mine's been a million times very
>> Well, I'll I'll be able to It's just your writing. >> Yes, it is. >> Okay. All right. I guess it doesn't matter. I'll just And then they'll figure out yours. Just so I have So, I put them in the right
column. Even if I use member number one, I put it. >> Yeah. I put them in the right >> column. So, can I make a motion to record? >> Oh, wait a minute. Hold on. I got to order my notebook. >> Being recorded. >> Yes. Yes.
>> Okay. So, Natalie, >> motion to adjourn. >> Is that okay, Carol? >> At 142. >> Second. >> Nicole call. Yes. >> Us. Yes. Carol.
>> Yes. Kathy Spark. >> Yes. Okay. All in favor time 43. >> Okay.