All right. I'd like to um call the meeting together to order of the um of the CR committee for Thursday, August 14th at 7:09 p.m.
Um could I have a roll call, please? Starting with Emily, who was with us remotely. >> Emily fine. >> Selena Thomas here. Mike Pa here >> and Veronica Cel here. Um the meeting is
being recorded and will be uploaded to YouTube. Um is there anybody else that's recording? Okay, hearing none, I'll go on to 1.3 additions or deletions. I do have one of
each. Um the deletion will be 2.2. the discussion with the pro potential CR holder. Nobody could be here this evening. So, um we're I've uh queried them to see if they could meet on the
21st or the 28th. Um so, just know that. So, I think I would like to um delete 2.2 if you guys are good with that. >> Yep. >> Is it okay with you, Mike? Emily, are
you okay with that? Yes. >> And um the addition is and we can maybe I'm going to do this um here, but it it's maybe something that we can talk about with the CR. This has
to do with herbicide and pesticides um being applied to the property. Apparently, that's currently happening. I I don't know what you know about this. We're not Selena, but anyway. Um, so we might want to put something more
specific when we talk about the CR. We can talk about that. So I know there are things in the lease, although I don't necessarily have the current copy of the lease. >> I have it. >> Is it Was it renewed, Selena? Did we renew it? >> Yeah.
>> Okay. So it's for three more years to 28. >> No, it's not. It was renewed in >> 22 23, I believe. Was it 23? I'll pull it up. >> Okay. Yeah, I just wasn't sure the dates. Um, so anyway, so I I'd like to
just add a discussion of um pesticide application on the fields if that's okay with you guys. >> Is that on the fields? >> Pardon me. >> You mean on the soccer field? >> Yes. Yes.
So um any any anybody opposed to adding that? >> What number in the agenda should it be? >> Uh it would be a discussion under 2.1
review the CR and attachments and >> applications of organic and biodedegradable. I think that's the way it's written in the lease. Organic fertilizers and biodegradable
pesticides. Just a discussion of that. >> Are you good with that? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Great. Um, review and approve the meeting notes for July 10th, 2025. Did everybody receive those?
I thought Sabrina sent them out if you didn't. >> A while ago, right? >> Yeah, it's been a while ago. >> Um because we were supposed to meet at the end of July and we didn't. >> So, >> I did read those. >> I did, too. Did you get the mic?
>> I did, but I wasn't here for the meeting. So, I'll have to pass on >> Oh, you weren't here for the that meeting. So, Emily, did you wrote them? So, you have them. >> I wrote them. I've got them right here. >> Okay. 1.4. Um, is there a motion to
approve the minutes of July 10th, 2025? >> I'll make motion to approve the minutes and I will second that motion. Let's get this written down. Um, any further discussion
of the minutes for July 10th? All right. So, um, I guess how do you vote? Roll call vote to approve the minutes. Yes or no? >> Selena Thomas, yes. >> Veronica Kelly, yes. >> Emily Fine, yes.
>> Do I vote on this? I think I need to pass on this. >> You say abstain then. >> Abstain. >> Okay. All right. So, the minutes pass then. In the m in my minutes, do I have to write who abstains?
>> Yes, you do. >> Oh, okay. >> So, Mike abstained because he wasn't present. >> Um, three of us four. All right. Uh, 2.1
review the CR and the attachments. So, everybody should have that as well. I don't have the ability. >> Do you want >> I can share them. >> Um so Tam, could you give Selena the
ability to um screen share please? Almost [Music] Do we want to look at the map first or the CR first? >> That's a good question. Which one would you like me to pull up?
>> I think the CR. Okay. How about you, Emily? >> Um, >> Mike, is that good with you? >> Sure. Okay. >> All right. You can make it bigger, too. Um,
can you post it without the notes on the side? >> Yep. >> That version of it because I think that's what I sent out to everybody. All right. >> Yeah, this is the one you sent out.
>> Okay. So, this is the draft from July 2025. So, everything that's highlighted are things that Selena um noted, and there were a couple things that I wanted to look at. Um, number eight
is the Massachusetts Endangered Species Act. Um, what page are you? >> I am on I think it's page two. Page two of 21. I think I was good with everything down to there. Um,
[Music] so Emily, do you have They're talking about a permit number, the conservation and management permit number. Is this the permit that you hold? That was my question on that one.
>> Um, I Let's see. this concept is granted pursuant to set forth >> or are they talking about >> I don't think so because my permit
I I think I've got it right here um is not called a conservation and management permit. It's called a scientific collection permit. Okay. So, it's not that. So,
>> yeah. >> So, gee, we need more information. >> And this might be something that Mike Jones could help us with. I don't know if >> I would think so. >> Get clarification. Who is Mike Jones?
>> He's the MISA guy. Okay. So, um Emily, can you contact him and ask him about that? >> Okay. So, so >> this is part G and >> I'm going to meeting with Misa um in the
next week or two. >> Oh, okay. >> If you want, I can >> ask about this particular item. >> I'm good with that. If everybody else >> Okay. >> So, Selena will ask about that. [Music]
just >> um my next question was H and it's not really a question. This is the baseline documentation report that we're going to have to have done. This is what um we should talk about the um the grants that
are available for funding for that because when this gets um placed we have to have a PD done >> and so there will be funds needed there. >> Is that might be helpful? >> Yeah. Is that something that us as the
committee need to book for these grants or is it something the town would >> It would be the town that would be looking for this but but we should at least have an idea of where we're going with it. >> So, all right. So, that comes back when
we um get to that point in the agenda. I think it's 2.3. >> Um okay. Uh I says current lease attached. So, now let's go to you. What are the dates on the current um
lease? >> Okay. The lease um was signed in October of 2022. So, you're right. It's 22, which means it's coming up again. >> Okay. So, to October of 2025.
>> Yep. >> Okay. So October 1st. >> All right. And in there in the lease, there's a I don't remember which, but I know it addresses fertilization and all
that. There's a a very brief >> one sentence paragraph, >> maybe two sentences. [Music] fertilizers right there. Um, so so maybe
>> so do you want me to >> about it? Yeah. Do you want to talk about that right now? >> Yeah, sure. Okay. Um yesterday morning when I went to check the nests, um the
the gate was closed and there was a handwritten sign that said that the the fields were closed. Um and and um two two um
magnets from JB Turf were holding the sign onto the gate. So anyways, I I went through there and did my um checking and while I was there, they were working on
field one, the first field. And um then as I was leaving, they were driving up to the second field. And as I as I went by the first field, there was one of those caution signs that said, you know, caution pesticide application.
So, I figured, well, let me go talk to them and find out what kind of pesticide they were using. And so, I went there. And at first, he didn't want to share that information with me. And then I
guess he decided he would share the information. So, the herbicide that they were using was called Triad QC Select. Um, and he gave me the the specification
sheet on it. Um, and what concerned me was under the environmental hazards. It said the chemicals in this product have properties and characteristics associated with chemicals detected in
groundwater. The use of these chemicals in areas where so soils are permeable, particularly where the water table is shallow, may result in groundwater contamination. Application around a sistern or well may
result in contamination of drinking water or groundwater. And um he told me that they only do spot application. So um but on the first
field he said they used about a quart of this uh herbicide. So anyways then um I've I uh looked online about this Triad QC Select and
um found out that it is not an organic herbicide and it is not biodegradable. um and may take years to break down. So my concern is really with that second
soccer field being within that circle around the potential town water wells. And also um the issue of um
um this this chemical should not be used on either soccer field based upon what the leaf says. So, um I'm I'm a little worried about that.
So just to make it make you aware but I for the purposes of this committee I think that what we have in the lease which is screen shared up there and then if you look in the CR under the reserved
rights um I'm just going to read this out loud. The granter reserves the right to conduct or permit the following activities provided they do not materially impair the conservation values or purposes of this conservation restriction. I think I'm at the right
place. The use of the area within parcel B3A as a wellfield and access strip as described in the deed and outlined in the towns and town charter section 145. I think that should say town bylaws
section 14554 groundwater protection district. This is um >> what page >> it's page four and it's um well maybe it's five. Hang
on one minute. It it's page five start the section starts on page four but it's a reserved rights on premises. Okay. Okay. So I think that a combination of the lease
and then um requiring that um once a well is in anything in the groundwater protection district has to be held. that um you know or adhered to um and I know
that the groundwater protection district says you can't use any bad stuff. So, um I think that I just want to make sure for the purposes of this committee that we're covered for that and then we can
talk offline about what to do about this because I don't know who, you know, does anything with that. So, um does that make sense to you Emily and to you Mike to you?
So, I just want to make sure that we're covered should because there that shouldn't anything that harms the groundwater shouldn't be happening. So, um do you know what the comment was on this
section? You want to go over this? the use of >> Oh, it's it should say towns and town bylaws because the charter is separate from the bylaws. This is a net, but it's an important one. It's the towns and town
bylaws, section 14554, groundwater protection district. Everything that's in there should apply to that parcel. Um, okay. Does that cover it, Emily?
So, so what that is saying is that I'm I'm not sure be because the second um soccer field is within that. >> So, the second soccer field is not
within the well section of that parcel. Oh, okay. >> The second soccer field is outside that circle. That is the well portion. >> This might be a good place to pop up the map. >> Yeah, I was just going to try and find
that one >> cuz I thought the porta potty was right on the line. So the porta potty is on that parcel, but field two and the end of the driveway that are on parcel 3 A
or whatever B3A, um, they are not in the section that is for the wellhead or the well and and this CR. Well, let's look at the map.
>> Yeah, I'm trying to find the deed. I think it was indeed that it >> Okay. So, it's just talking about that circle within that parcel. >> Yes. >> Maybe even the 400 ft. This is outside
of it. And the CR will cover the area that Tesa does not use. >> Right. >> Correct. So, the map that um Selena um it was included >> with this. It's that one. That's the
map. >> Um >> Oh, it doesn't show the circle. >> No, it doesn't. >> No, it doesn't. >> Okay, that's to the map with the D. But the circle is farther down towards that. circle starts in this corner
and it goes out I think to about here. >> Okay, >> if I remember correctly. And if I can find that picture. Thought I had it pulled up. so much. There are a lot of Oh, you know
what? We had it in that first email. Let's see. So, I I guess I just wanted to make sure that we have the whole area covered to to not use bad stuff. And I think the um
that's being colloquial here. So, I think we're covered in the lease for the soccer field. >> But unfortunately, what's in the lease isn't being what's being followed. >> So, that's a a separate thing to
address. Here we go. >> Okay. >> But it does need addressed. >> Emily, they were using one court for entire soccer field. How were they actually applying it? They were spot they were spot applying it because it's
a weed killer. So they would look where you know there were weeds growing and that's where they put it. >> Zap each weed that they saw. >> Were they spraying it or were they did they have an applicator of some sort? >> I don't know. I didn't stay to watch
them. >> Okay. All right. So this is um the the parcel. You can see this half circle here is 12 area. Um, and you can see it kind of ends with lot
19 maybe. Um, but this square. >> So we go back to the other which is in the other we go back to here. So, this is that square that we were
looking at. Uh, can you see my mouse? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, the well area doesn't go down to where the sucker area is. >> But e even so, that parcel shouldn't have any um not not the parcel that TASA uses,
but the the parcel that's in the CR. I think we're covered with no pesticides by um referencing the groundwater protection district that anything that is in play in the groundwater protection
district has to be in play in the CR. The question is do we need to be more specific? So I feel like just above that there was something about um fertilizing and whatnot.
Maybe on page four. >> Oh, we we've used the term pesticide. >> Yeah, there it is. There it is. Five. >> Applying or using fertilizer. Okay. Herbicides or pesticides in any quantity. Yeah.
>> So, prohibited use in that outside area. So, we're covered. Um we should be good. All right. Okay. So, so we should in I don't have a current copy of Selena. So, if you could I had
asked Sabrina for it just just this week and I haven't gotten it yet, but that was okay. She's been on vacation. >> If you could send it to her maybe >> to Sabrina. >> Yeah. So we can because this references the lease and it should be attached. >> Yep.
>> Um and then your map. Um can we look at that map again? >> Which one? >> The one with the yellow. >> Yeah. Okay. So I know you have plans underway for this so you can push back. But there
there is an open space between the two fields. Why? I guess my question is why isn't that farther field moved closer to the first field? Was that discussed at all? >> It was discussed.
>> Okay. Mostly it is due to the cost of we would have to not only build more fields than we are currently planning on, we would also have to take
out the field to um and to be able to return it to natural state. So it is a very exorbitant cost to move that field. >> Okay. All right.
I I was just curious. Um >> was there a plan to build a third field in that space? >> So the plan is to build a third field close to field one. So field one is here. The road that comes in is down
here. Comes from Mason Road. And um we want to build another field in this space right next to field one. Actually, I have a plan.
>> Yeah, I can pull up where um [Music] this is. Okay. So this is not looking at the entire property. This is just looking at where
the two existing. So this is field two, the further one in down. >> So this is looking at the yellow the the area >> the area that's in the yellow in that other map. So over on the left side is field two.
Um on the right side is field one and Mason Road is all the way to the right. So, this area that's um outlined in blue and gray shaded, that is where we are
going to build more field space. The red is some additional parking that goes out to Mason Road. And then, um we're putting a fence area around some naturalized area in between the new
field and the existing field two that's on the left. So does that mean no one will use that space the naturalized space right? >> Just going to the only access that will happen there is that we will maintain
that space so that like it doesn't get overgrown with trees. Um we'll just keep it the sandy scrub area. >> Okay. >> And this is what national heritage asked us to do which is why we did it this
way. Okay. All right. So, that answers the question of not moving that field. >> Yeah. Okay. Anybody else have any questions? >> Anybody have any questions? >> Yeah.
>> Yes, I do. Uh, I'm Jim Corbin. I bought the property of Conquer Cooperative Bank in uh March of 1990. and I bought it as a partial sand and
gravel removal operation with a subdivision all drawn drawn out subsequently we ended up with I believe 14 houses here I'm not quite sure how many houses there that was all approved by the town by the bank and uh that we were going to
do two soccer fields we got through all of this project I got shut down for five or six years because they thought I was infring infringing on the uh squ I never can say the word but sisters
but we found they took me to court we had to have the state come out the state said that we were not in the bounds of that squist >> it was it a squanacid area of environmental concern or whatever AC
>> yes so Anyway, they said it was where we were doing anything was in the proximity of Walker Brook. And if you go up on the hill, you can almost see where Walker Brookke and Scorn Cook
>> join. >> Right. So anyway, uh they let me reopen and after uh being closed for that great time frame, we worked very hard and diligently to get both soccer fields
made. We had put a material on there that I had trucked in from waste water treatments at that time and the town made me take it out and we did remove that. Gary Shepard was here at the time. This is the time that Gary Shepard and I
had a meeting down there and we left the meeting and he got in an awful accident and this is like I say 22 or 23 years ago. So we redid the soccer fields both of them put all good
lone and materials that were native to towns area. So we redid the fields at that time. We had the discussions on the turtles and I had no problem with the
turtles and I don't think anybody else did at the time. We didn't make up any bylaws for the turtles. They had been there before I went there. We never disturbed the habitat that is up on the top of the hill where they uh living
now. And uh somewhere along the line, I don't know where I was. They might have been on vacation, but they did come in with a bylaw that you might know to protect the turtles at that time. >> No, there's no
>> That's why we're doing what we're doing. There is >> I think this is this is what they're trying to do now. But it looks like from >> But I don't want to excuse me. I don't want to uh subject that land the soils
or anything with fertilizers, pesticides or anything else that was going to get in our water supply cuz we do have that. And all through this procedure when I were down there building houses was checking that pipe to see if there
was any contamination or anything cuz we had a lot of equipment on the property. Mhm. >> He was a superintendent at that time. Never had an issue. We finished up the soccer fields and I sat down with
Marilyn McCaffron who was town clerk at the time and my attorney plus Jim Riddle and we thought that we had a foolproof deed to give to the town a future ball
fields. We discussed the soccer field. We discussed uh a soft ball field. So we had the room to put up those four facilities. They left it at just the two of them cuz Gary and I were ready to put in a third
soccer field just about the way that you have a position now. >> Yeah. So there should be nothing that allows any more contingencies on the property, whether it be
conservation of the heritage or whatever. I believe that we've got enough there now to protect turtles or what how many more that they have in a period of time. I have no idea. But I uh
I would object to any more people getting their fingers around the project. I'd want to see a soccer field goal win and I think that >> a lot of other people that do want to see the soccer >> I think there are. I don't think there's anybody opposed
to that. >> Is there objection to the soccer field now? No, it is all just that we have to have um things in place for permitting. So >> state Okay. Patient game. >> Yep. The Misa um the Massachusetts
endangered spec work with them and we have to work with um the National Heritage. So I not fully understand what they have to give their blessings to
>> because the entire area is considered um habitat for endangered species. >> They have to give us a permit to build the third field. So, so while they have to give the
permit and Brian, maybe you can clarify. Have you pushed back from your earlier meetings of the conservation restriction to a smaller portion of the entire >> the conservation restriction will be outside the yellow. So, the yellow is
the um >> is what Tesa is a little >> black. Yeah, it's a little >> it's light, but >> it's easy to see if you have it here on your screen, but up there.
>> Yes. So, the existing basically the area from >> the furthest field >> um >> roughly. >> Yeah. >> So, you you've switched it from taking the entire parcel. Okay. >> So, that's very helpful.
>> We want to make it so that the things you wanted to happen on that field is preserved. >> Yeah. in >> and um and so the area that's the soccer fields the yellow areas outside the that will be governed by the lease that the
town has with um Tesa or whomever in the future it is but it's Tesa now and for the next years at least and so I don't see that changing but who knows and then to protect the water rights um is to So
we in the CR. So the water area is part of the CR, but that will be um handled because we do have a water protection district and all of the it's it's well written and it has everything that it
needs in it. And then the um the town and then there's the uh habitat that has to be protected. So the um the town will still retain ownership of the land. >> All this does is
>> prevent division of any portion of that land that would go to conservation or anything else. the town still physically own >> owns it >> because see Michael not to keep it dejecting but way back when when Marilyn
was uh town clear we had discussed multi housing down there as well as the soccer fields the area because there's water there and because the sand's such good quality they could build a system
for a 24 unit let's so that they could have a uh treatment facility and still have housing there. You can correct me if I'm wrong. >> I don't have you gone into that at all >> in this day and age that anybody would
approve housing on the remainder of that property, especially given that this was part of a >> open space preservation development. But I think um what they what they started was from your earlier meetings the whole lot was going under
>> right we were just looking at it and what worked what makes sense what doesn't make sense >> and we >> will with what they're doing now building this another soccer field what they really need can they still have
without going through hell high waters to get a soccer field in addition to three. Could they get a softball field? Cuz we had talked about these things earlier. It was a whole different program. I'm talking 35 years
ago. We're talking 1949 and 19 91. So there's a lot of years that a lot of water gone under the bridges and a lot of talk topics of conversation. But I look at Veronica, I look at myself. We're not getting any younger. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people
in this town that will need housing. We have to find some place. >> Yeah, we we are working on that. We really are. >> But um but for for this Yeah, we we want to make sure that the that the uses that
were in the lease are the uses that are >> are still permissible >> are still still permissible on this property and that we do it in the in a way that makes the most sense. Sure. And so the area now that's going to be cordoned off with the fence um will be
restricted. What about the rest of the area like up on the hill where the turtles go? >> Is that going to be totally restricted or still >> Well, we're hoping to keep people um do you want to talk about that? >> Like off the hill but still be able to >> We want them to be on the path.
>> Yeah. >> Um and we're hoping with signage we can So go ahead. Yeah, it's in here under the allowed uses. >> Are people able to walk up the top of the hill and see the visit on the top?
>> They could multiple times. It's in here. >> I appreciate that. It looks like you've come a long way from the earlier meetings and >> I think it was the meeting that you attended before might have been >> and we had to look at everything and figure out what made sense and talk to a lot of people. That's why we wanted to
come to see where we're progressing to >> just to see at what point it stands at now with the state >> and federal grants or monies that may be promised from the state or the federal people. I don't want to lose those
contracts, but I don't want to see the whole package down there under the control. >> Oh, no. It won't be. Yeah, we're hoping um well there are >> do a friendly I'm going to do a friendly public record request because I couldn't find some of the stuff online just so he
can see it. >> Yeah. >> And hopefully we can get that from >> this draft is available. This is a public record. This >> read some of the map is available. >> Yeah. So there's the allowable use >> allowable uses. um >> say that she's gonna read some of the
allowable uses >> which which will pertain to a lot of paths and things like that. >> Allowable use is just a good way to put that. >> Yeah. And it does look like the map that she had up encumbered most of the usable space for fields that was there anyhow
now which is really different from the earlier meetings that we had at home. So the new map that that showed tonight and you might have had it for another meeting but that we couldn't attend. Um, but this while it's really faint, I'll get a copy of that for you, Dad.
>> And it's a good portion of all of the usable space for >> which was 43 accept the subdivision with >> it was just about, you know, I'll give you this. If I have, is this the one that would I'm not
always sure that what I have is what we're looking at. proximity to this [Music] >> page. >> It's in the upper corner. >> It's the corner. >> It's the corner and then it's a 400 foot
radius. >> Yes. >> Yeah. That's the drill of the 400 piece right there. >> Okay. [Music] >> So, this will be >> okay.
>> That's what we're looking at. That's the docking that's up there. >> That will save Harrison's. Thank you. >> But to answer your question about if the is there space for a third soccer field and perhaps a softball field? That seems unlikely,
>> right? if it's >> and if you're going to put a well in there and also >> without talking any housing for the elderly that we had the room and we walked it I had my engineers show I I name the time but we did walk the
property and figure out where we could put the third soccer field and a baseball field may not been an official side but it would have been something like I did at Craven's field when we first did that it was more for the junior [Music]
So, we were looking at we were going to look at where you where it allow the allowable uses. >> Yeah. So, allowable use um number seven. It's on page six. >> Can you hear her? No. Sorry.
You want to come up closer? >> I I should. >> So, an allowable >> need a cane now. an allowable use um on page six um allowable use number seven is the marking, clearing, mowing or maintaining
of foot paths and wood roads existing that are shown on the plan um and described in the BDRS >> the baseline >> baseline document >> documentation report >> report >> cuz I noticed I used to go up mainly to
that where the uh Shaw's dumpster is there was a pathway way and that's how I've been going up there over the years and is that >> so >> the path as far as I know >> you go all the way to the end of the
parking spaces there on you go up the hill there there's the path there and the intent is to put up some signage to make it very clear that this is where the path is >> you will be able to walk when you get up that path from the temp you'll be able to walk
>> Yep. and right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Can um >> go ahead >> on um part seven there where it says mowing.
Um the that's a major cause besides roads. Mowing is the second major cause of killing of turtles. So um I think if we just include marking, clearing and
maintaining of foot paths but not mowing of the foot paths in that area. >> Um that would be safer. Yeah. Eliminate mowing
>> and besides that don't mow footping up a hill and through the woods. We also did say in the not allowed that mowing was not allowed. So we just missed that. >> Right. So we don't want to contra contradict ourselves.
>> Right. Good catch. [Music] >> Maybe we could get the Appalachian clubs up there to Marco Pathway. Bring them down. >> Anyway, I'm just being stupid. Um,
>> but anyway, uh, it sounds better than I thought that it might be. So, as long as we're not giving I I just won't don't want to over give >> to the conservation of the state,
>> but I don't want it to in >> I don't want it to get in the way of not being able to get grants and whatever that the town needs that type of money. I we're hoping that we're good with it. >> Yes,
>> we really are hoping that it preserves the uses um no matter who's in office, >> that it that it worked in town no matter who was in office,
>> right? >> Cuz 20 years can go and all of a sudden somebody else gets a brilliant idea and so on and so forth. we've all been there. >> And so that's that's the thought and it was it was also suggested by Nissa in
order for the expansion of the fields to happen. >> Yeah. >> So um anyway and and the town wants the expansion of the field >> once these restrictions are accepted and locked in place. It's forever >> hopefully. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> It is forever. I understand that. But sometimes another uh regime gets in and don't realize a lot of those things. So >> I think this will be tight enough so that that can't happen. >> Hopefully. Yeah.
>> Veronica, does this have to get at a town meeting too? >> No. >> Okay. >> Doesn't require town meeting. It does require select work. So what what happens typically is you go back and forth with um NISSA or D back and forth
to get the wording right so they understand what everybody wants. We also have to get a a holder in place. Um >> you have to get you what? >> A CR holder. >> Yeah. And who who I know they didn't come tonight but who is in
>> No. We're hoping for North County that we don't know. Okay. >> Um we don't have a full commitment yet. I should probably not even say that. >> Sure. >> But we've been um working with Fishing Game who has said no, they won't hold because of the well on the property.
>> Um North County has held properties that have wells on town wells and we're also working with Nashville River Watershed Marissa. So, um, and hopefully we can get funding for the BDR through either
them or the Marramac Conservation Collaborative. >> And then on the map you have outlined with the yellow. How far off of the field is that yellow? How how much of a buffer do you have for
like kids playing with beaches or like a play set or a walking path around? How much leeway do you have there? So, the edge, the bottom edge is along the roadway. Um, and it goes out to the edge
of field, too. There's going to be a fence along that edge of the field. >> There'd be a fence. >> A fence along the field. >> Along the field. >> Field of fields. >> Let me pull up the field map.
Have to switch because that's a PDF. I'm >> trying to get the C I don't even think people out there living in on Hasheo Drive have any fences along >> Well, they can they can still go on the property. It um Okay. It more protects
the soccer field than anything. The rest of the property won't be fenced. >> And I should say the fence is a split rail kind of fence, >> so it'll be easy to, you know, go over, but it delineates the property.
um edge. So that's here. Okay. So um >> yeah, actually I have that printed out as well if that helps anybody. Although it's small. >> It's not permitted yet though, is it? >> Right. It's not permitted.
>> This is the current plan that we have to bring to MISA and to National Heritage to get approved. Does that give you enough space around? >> There is a pathway also from Hush >> because the >> after I think that
>> section towards drive >> there's a pathway that should show that that goes to the back of the >> field. Yeah, I think it's I think on another map it shows that it's a long skinny right of way kind of between two
properties. >> This one here >> like right here. Yeah, >> you credit >> and and the water department has said that in the future, >> who knows who's going to be in charge of the water department in the future because um you know it's it could be 10
years, >> 20 years till they put a well up there, but that they would run water it soated if they said they run water. >> Yeah. >> So one last final question, you know, >> one last question. I have
is there any issues that are going to stop this other soccer field from going in? So >> right now we are we need to work with the state to get the permits >> this is fishing game
>> not fishing game it's uh misa ma and uh >> natural heritage >> there are letters that go with that >> NHS >> um so I am
>> NHS P natural heritage endangered Yeah. So, I have to work with them. Um, I'm meeting with >> I'm I'm just trying to think why when I was sitting with Marin McKron that we never protected
that area where we were going to build a third soccer field cuz it seems like now I couldn't just go in and say as a gift I'm going to do this third field.
Once we get the permits you can >> once you get the permit but >> no >> we don't know when that is going to be >> I don't know like working on this >> would like to see that so started this year >> I yes I am my hope would be to get it
started in November when we are allowed to start breaking ground on the property Um I don't know whether or not that will happen though cuz >> well I'll keep in touch with you but uh >> right because we we have to get this
conservation restriction done as a step towards getting the soccer field the third soccer field going. So >> we have to do this first >> is a suggestion though it can't be a
mandate. Correct. So if no one >> what do you mean? >> So the they can as a part of the permitting suggest it but they cannot mandated. So if you cannot find the holder can you show due diligence of
following these steps there will be other plans that need to be written and and filed at the registry. Yeah, it was my understanding that this didn't have to be complete in order for us to work on getting
permitting um that they could be done in conjunction. I don't know. >> Yeah, because it's just my understanding they can't mandate it. They can suggest it. And so if the town can't meet the mandate, if it doesn't happen, if you do
due diligence to have all of the pieces in place, permitting still should be allowed even in the a critical resource area. So you can >> I know they can be tricky.
>> They can opt not to to permit it, right? But we can also >> and not necessarily say that it was for a particular reason, >> right? >> That makes any sense. If the town is and you're you're doing due diligence,
you're you're trying to put all the right pieces in place, >> but if they don't want to proceed because of the if there's not a particular person to come forward for the conservation restriction entity,
>> holder holder >> holder. >> Yeah. that we can then do other type of advocacy to promote the permitting if it comes to that but it won't be in perpetuity
and it becomes very dependent on whoever knows what documents exist and that's the that's the negative >> true >> that is the negative of that >> but we also want to see the field get done >> and I think >> yeah I think it will >> we'll cross that bridge
when we get to it. Um, I make a note. That's a very good question. So, when I'm meeting with the two groups, I will make sure to ask this question. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because they they can suggest they can't mandate it. And so
um >> but they can strongly suggest >> they they can they can strongly suggest but as you pointed out it also there's also a fiscal component of this >> that then becomes an unfunded mandate on
a municipality which the state really can't do. So I don't want the field progression and something that benefits the community despite the best efforts from the committee to not happen based on restrictions from the state that can
be um alleviated in another fashion, >> right? And so we would be there to help advocate in another fashion so there would be obstacles placed in the way of the soccer field proceeding. Well hopefully yeah it will all fall into play.
>> Yeah. How much more paperwork do you have to get this thing up and running? >> We're We're pretty close. We really are pretty close to um No, it's not a whole lot of >> It's not a whole lot. >> It's It's the documents that are right
there. Basically, >> you don't have the lease there, but when we wrote the lease three or four years ago, we wrote it to allow expansion of the soccer field. You did write that lease at that time then? >> Yeah. Specifically to allow right
>> it to go forward >> and to make it easy to um to resign the lease so that it would um because we're stuck with three years but we could do a repeat of and three of numbers. So, we
did what we could to allow this expansion that's um in the in progress to go forward. >> Work in progress. >> Um yeah. >> So, it sounds like your work is almost done
>> with this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. At this point. >> Yes. So then it will be getting the BDR done, the baseline documentation report, which means someone goes out and says, "This is what it looks like." And takes pictures of all the corners. And really the job of the CR holder is just to go
out there once a year and make sure that what the town wanted is actually happening. Do you have an approximate cost of it? >> Um, a BDR usually costs anywhere from
a,000 to horrible. >> It's not horrible. No, no, it's not. Um, and and then um it depends on how the organization is funded. Whoever holds the C the CR and >> I've worked with New England Forestry
Foundation. Nothing was they just go out and do it. They have a it's part of their mission and their what they do and they just go out and do it once a year. It's a you know it's what the pro properties
manager for that organization does and then provides a document at each of the corners that are marked in the BDR that says so you know when there's encroachment or that sort of thing. Um, and just to make sure that things are
asis, if in fact things are not asis, they work with the the CR holder and the property owner work together to figure out how to lease all of it. So, and the town is the property owner. Yeah. So,
>> well, thank you all for your work on us. I know it's been a lot and appreciate it. Ask some questions and get the updates. Yeah, it still bothers me to some degree that when Marilyn and I wrote up the
agreement to the town of purchase and sale or whatever, I think I got a buck for that uh whatever everything was etched in stone so that they could continue with another soccer field or a baseball field. But that's okay. That was wishful
thinking, I guess. cuz man's gone now. So, she can't verify what I'm talking about. >> Well, it sounds like it'll happen. It's just that it won't be an or baseball field. It will be a soccer field. >> Mhm. >> Yeah.
>> Well, good. They need another soccer field. Yeah. Cuz there's good people that are heading up the program now as it stands. So, yeah. I'm happy to see it being used. That's the main key. Yeah.
>> Anyway, >> all right. >> We've taken >> So, thank you. Thanks for coming in, Mike. >> Mike and I'm Jim. >> Yeah. Thanks for coming in and glad we clarify things. >> You seem very sociable enough to talk
to. Anyways, that's that's a kind of a key. Yeah, we all set. >> Yeah, we have new new documents at hand and um I know you guys >> it's much less than I thought. So, but >> Oh, yeah.
>> No, my wife's my wife's parents and they started my wife's parents. They couldn't be here tonight >> property up there. They will be there when my wife was a year old and so
interested partnership is another I am afraid we're going to miss this deadline because I think >> the 24th of August but they come out with you know went after
but there was a developer named Kylie I don't know I forget his first name >> Kylie Kylie a lot of work >> girl scout sold the property >> meeting about putting in
>> what makes sense what we looked at And then um >> the state offered him enough money for it. So it never happened to and so the state >> was able to join um Willard Brook and Pearl Hill. So now
they're conjoined and that property is what joins the two. So the state is a that made a commit >> well Pearl Hill. >> Pearl Hill. >> Pearl Hill. Yeah. and Willard Brook now
are joined together because the state bought the property. >> I want that property quite a bit because I live right on Main Street on the front and I'm only a mile and a half down the headquarters. Yeah. And then I take off and down. I
love the area. They never make me excuse me. Can Can we continue? I I just have to get to sleep eventually. >> All right. >> Nice job. >> Um Okay. >> So, I I think All right. So, review CR
and attachments is pretty much where we are. Is there where are we at with that? Um, >> sorry, Emily. Once I get talking, you know, >> VI page six and we have how many pages?
>> There's 21, but the last like I don't know, eight of them or so are the signature pages. So, they don't really um legal and injunctive relief. I think pretty much everything else were things that um
are pretty standard. So, was there anything else anybody um saw in this that they wanted to review specifically? I think I got the pieces I wanted.
[Music] [Music] >> Oh. Um, here it is. Homestead. The grantor attested there is no residence on or abudding the pre >> premises included. Where are you looking?
>> Page 12. I just wanted to um by a spouse for or children of the granddaughter. Um the this is standard stuff that gets put in. Um
it's it's two it's miscellaneous. you know, these are these are things that are kind of standard and I don't know if we need them if they >> um this is something that when we get a
little further we'll have town council review, >> right? >> Um but it's the homestead thing. Um it doesn't really apply here, but what I don't know is if we have to leave it in or not.
It's a It's a standard thing and I've never done a a CR that wasn't that didn't have some a house on it, you know. Um, so, >> so yeah, I think we just need to check with town council about
>> those type of things that are in there, >> right? >> We should have as exhibits. I think we should put the lease. The description of the premises would be um your math
um the deed I think and um reduce copy recorded planes but I think we should have an exhibit C the lease although do we because the CR does not cover but we reference the lease in
here. So the question is, do we need an exhibit C the lease with the town? >> I think if we reference it, we should have it there. >> See, current lease attached. It It's that.
>> Yeah. Um so if it is, we should have an exhibit C the um Tesa lease with the town. The only problem with that is this gets recorded at the register of deeds and that lease could change over time.
Um, so do we need to include the lease if we're including the picture that is called the soccer complex which is the map. >> Is there a way to word it so that it
isn't just for the soccer? It can be any entity that leases it. >> I think we just leave that out and we let someone down the road figure that out if it ever changes. You know, if it becomes a baseball field in 35 years or
something, >> right? >> Yes. So, just eliminate currently attached. >> Yes. I I think we should take that out because that way we aren't um you know hamstringing um a lease to the property.
So, okay. All right. Then I think we're good. >> If we're not saying that it's always going to be soccer, um so providing just >> said playing field
>> playing fields. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And we do need exhibit the TA expansion plan. >> Um, >> yes, we do need that. So that's exhibit
C, the TASA expansion plan. >> Okay. >> Oh, there it says CPA. This is not a CPA purchase. So exhibit C is not the town or city or city vote. It it would just be the TASA expansion plan.
is exhibit B. Is that the deed? >> Uh that is the plan of land that goes with the deed. A would be the deed. The description of the premises. Um the the picture that you can put more than one
thing in there for exhibit A. Um, yes, I agree with you. >> Exhibit B, >> the exhibit B is the plan of land that is currently um filed at the registry of
deeds with this deed and we have that um in in one of the emails early on. It's in there. And then exhibit C is we should put the TESA expansion plan. >> Okay.
because we reference it. Correct. Yes. Exhibit C. Register [Music] there. Okay. All right.
And then the rest of this is all the signatures. Um [Music] This says acceptance of grant by the conservation commission, but typically it's the um because well it depends on
how who we're making this to. It would be the um [Music] it's usually the selected sign. I don't know. We'll see. We'll leave that as is because I think the select
board is down further. >> Where are you looking right now? >> Uh, look at the last page is page 16. And we may need the conservation commission there, but they're not the holder because they can't be the holder.
This is typically the holder of the CR, which is usually a conservation commission. when the land isn't owned by the town. Um, so this would probably be whoever is the holder of the CR,
>> right? So, so it wouldn't say acceptance of grant by by the Towns and Conservation Commission. It would be acceptance of grant by whoever is the holder. >> Correct. Typically, your your CR
Typically, if the land is owned by a private individual and it is it would be the conservation commission that would hold it in this case. So, right. Okay. I think we're about as far as we
can go with this for now, unless somebody sees anything else. Um, we can this will be on the next agenda as well. So, >> so are we going to skip
>> section 23 also? >> What page? >> Section 23 of the grant funding. Oh, on the agenda. >> I thought we were done with this. >> Okay. All right. So, let me go to that
Tuesday. Grant funding possibilities. There's a Marramac conservation partnership and the Marian starter greenway program and we do have the stuff for that. Um I think maybe we want to review it for our next meeting. We're
getting up to 8:30 here and um and I would like to have um Anna and an and Marissa here to discuss. and is not going to be involved as far
as CR holding, but advising um you know, she was willing to look at it and I don't even know if she's as advising as a fishing game person. This might just be as a town resident who is a fishing game person, but
anyway. All right. Um so I I say we move 2.3 to our next meeting. So our agenda next time would look almost exactly like what we have here. Um it would be more comments on the CR if any of us or if
you get the answers to question Y when you talk to Misa. Um so basically the same agenda. Um and uh but review the Maramett conservation partnership and the starter
greenway program with the baseline development report in mind. That's what I have in mind for that because we do need a way to fund it. Um and then so that's the agenda for the next meeting. And the next meeting I was thinking I
was going to do next Thursday and the next Thursday. We might not meet both times but whichever one that um our partners can come to the CR partners. So are you guys available or is there a
better time? >> Um >> you can go both. >> I might be a little late next Thursday. I'm going to be in Little Westford until 6:30. >> Oh, wow. Okay.
>> So, should we make it 7:30 >> on the 21st or should we just go ahead without you? Um, I think you guys could get started without me and then I'll just I mean,
Westford's a half hour, so I could conceivably make it if there's no traffic snafoos >> because I don't want you guys to stay late if you don't have to. >> You and your computer are a critical part of this. So, we don't want you to
>> That's right. >> You split the difference. 7:15. >> Well, I'm fine going later, but I'm also a night owl. So, [Music] >> all right. So, let's do seven and I'll
see if people can attend. So, either in person or in Zoom. So, all right. Anything else? All right. Is there a motion to adjurnn?
>> So moved. >> Wait, moved. Wait a minute. >> Yes. >> Who seconded? >> Mike. >> Mike. >> Okay. >> And it is 8:25 p.m.
>> Okay. And we opened at 7:09, I think it was. We need >> 7:09. Yes. >> Do we have to vote on adjourning? >> We do. Yes. And we need a roll call vote. So Selena Thomas Emily
>> Fine. Yes. Mike says yes. Veronica >> Kelly. Yes. And with that we are adjourned.