all right so I I am going to get started I'd like to call um to order the first meeting of the conservation restriction committee for The sanook Meadows parcel
um for March 20th 2025 at 7:03 p.m. so could I have a roll call please let's start it with um an gagan we'll start with people on the um you're not on the committee never
mind I'll come back to you an so um Veronica Kel present Emily Emily fine present and you um present by
field pardon me of the field um um thank you all right I got Michael pot said present and um Selena did you say present as well not yet Selena Thomas present okay
thank you um so I'd like to announce that the meeting is being recorded and it will be uploaded to YouTube um is there anybody else that's recording the meeting okay hearing in none
um there's no one else recording uh additions or deletions we have with us tonight an gagan and I'd like to add she's from um massach you want to introduce yourself an sure I'm the um
Northeast District land agent for the Mass Department of fishing game um and what I'd like to do is put an on our agenda if if you notice there's not a 2.3 on our agenda so I think that's the perfect place it went
from 2.2 to 2.4 so right in there at 2.3 I'd like to add um an to discuss the fish and game conservation process with us if that would be okay with you an and
with the committee sure so the committee are you all on board with that yeah yes yes okay thank you so we'll add an as 2.3 um and there are no minutes because this is our very first
meeting so our our first what we're here for is to discuss the um CR a conservation restriction for The sanook Meadows property and I can talk a little bit about the background on this um if
you'd like um but our first item of business is is to reorganize the conservation restriction committee and nominate and vote on a chair a vice chair and a clerk so that's our first item of business so is there anybody that would
be willing to chair or would like to nominate someone to chair I'll nominate you me um all right um I second that nomination
um all those in favor hi all those opposed um all right um hearing none I I will chare and we can revisit that if
people think future that that would good all right a vice chair who is willing to Vice chair or would like to nominate someone to Vice chair the committee I'm willing to Vice chair oh good I nominate Selena to Vice chair the
committee is there a second [Laughter] second all right um all those in favor oh I guess we have to do a roll call vote don't we I might have to go back to the first vote because we're REM remote
so I need a a vote a roll call vote for Selena as Vice chair so Emily let's start with you um yes you have to say your name Emily fine and and then
what I vote Yes all right um Veronica Kell I vote Yes um Selena Selena Thomas yes and Michael Mike pot said yes all right so that's our whole committee
so the eyes have it and Selena you are the vice chair can we go back and do the nomination for chair again the vote I should say so I ask are we allowed to do by unanimous
consent um we are on a remote call so no okay because we have to bu uh the state's open meeting law rules we have to do a roll call vote if any of us
are on remotely and we are so um so for the nomination for Veronica Kel as chair um Emily go ahead Emily fine
yes Veronica Kell yes Selena yes whoops oh that's all right and Selena Thomas yes all right thank you and that leaves the clerk position so what should we do about
that if require I nominate Mike requires taking notes and making a a report you might want to Recons but I mean whatever is there a second for
Mike oh no okay should we just leave the clerk open for now but we need somebody to write the notes on this meeting I'll do it thank you
Emily all right so I not so is there a nomination for Emily did you just nominate yourself second I'll second it all right roll call vote Veronica Kell yes for Emily
Norton as Emily Emily fine as clerk sorry that's okay I make that mistake too Emily fine yes Selena Thomas yes Mike pot said yes
all right so the eyes have it and Emily is our clerk so do I have to write down who nominates and who seconds and all that yes you do but I have it so I'll give it to you Emily okay because I have this method this is why I'm always
writing I do a one and the initials and a two and the initials and then I do check marks with initials next to the people that didn't do the first or the second me that information I will give you that all right here don't worry
about that [Music] um all right so since I am the chair I will go ahead and um go over 2.2 we're going to move on to review and discuss the conservation restriction process and
the next steps so just for a little um uh background um Emily fine is the permit holder the Misa permit holder for the endangered species on the site and about
three years ago I believe it was when the Tesa um uh con um lease was needed to be redone um there there was a meeting of the mind so to speak of people from Tesa the Conservation
Commission the select board and the permit holders and also people from from the state to discuss what we can do about that site to allow both the um Community to use it for soccer and also to preserve the species on the site so
that was the idea and we had um there were a couple different ways to handle it but um one of them was for the conserv for the town and I was a selectman at the time I'm a selectman again now but I haven't been for the
past year and a half but at the time that this was first discussed I was a selectman so I was on that in that group of people discussing this one of the things that could have happened is the town could have transferred the property
to the Conservation Commission so we asked them if they would be willing to take it and then they could monitor the site and they held a vote in a meeting um this was probably 20 the fall of
2022 and they voted not to um to receive the property so that meant that the town needed to look at putting a conservation restriction on in order to keep the species um protected so that process got
started and I emailed you the deed and the two plans of land and uh perhaps I can screen share because I have them here to do that um the a a map that was done by I believe it was
mrpc um that we needed for an RDA because we were looking at um how to maintain that property that year and and get out uh Japanese knotweed from along the river and different things like that
so we had a map done by mrpc to show the property um and anyway um so I sent you those and then I believe it was Mike Jones or was it um her name started with an
M Michaela no might have been Michaela mck yeah who sent the Misa CR the conservation restriction and um we started to edit it and then my term was
up and away I went and that was that until now so now I'm back and I'm like so do we get the conservation restriction done and the answer was no so here we are so um the process and an
you can um you can correct me if I'm uh you know Mista but the basically a con what a conservation restriction does is it defi defines the area of a property that you want to say these are the
allowed uses on this piece of the property these are the uses that are not allowed on that piece of the property you can specify so it's allowable uses non-allowable uses you typically do a a baseline um report this is the
conditions and then it's monitored every year to make sure that things are done as expected it goes to to a process at DCR where they look at it they review it they bring it back to they send it back
saying hey we would like you to put a little bit more here as far as defining the property goes or the reasons that you want to have this here or whatever it is and then the wishes of the land owner in combination with the person
holding the CR and it's a back and forth process until finally they you get a document that says ready for local signatures and then the um the town signs it and the CR holder signs it and
it becomes a a um a deed piece of the property that you know that allows a a protection on a certain part of the property so what I am going to share did
I say that well enough an yeah well enough I mean the to be nitpicky it's a division of conservation services not DCR okay yeah another yet another acronym at
the state um and typically CRS um first list the the reasons why there's a CR what what you're trying to protect right um and then the values of the property and then the next section is you can't
do anything everything is prohibited and then in the third section they allow certain uses back in okay so let me see if I can if I can I will screen share this
um to um have did you guys have a chance to review all of these documents that were in there or or um anyway yes briefly yeah this is the Misa template and it's kind of the
purposes of CR this is so it you tell in the first part can you all see this yes yes yes I am successfully screen sharing I don't know how big it is for you guys but anyway this defines the property and then you know where it is when it was
you know it's deed Etc then this is the purposes for the CR which is what an was talking about why why do you want to protect the property and there are all these reasons and that are possible and you pick it you um you pick and choose
depending on what you're doing with the property and then the Baseline documentation report and Survey typically you need that um and then definitions the conservation value prohibited uses and reserved rights so
these are the things that you can't do reserved rights on the in the premises are the things that you can do on the property and um and then anything else you want to do you know you want to put
in here legal remedies of the grantee so what if things don't happen blah blah blah um extinguishment how do you get rid of the CR should you want to assignability um can I can I just interrupt for a
second absolutely and say that um it's not if you want to get rid of the so once once the CR is recorded that's it there is no getting out of it okay so extinguishment is more um for if um the
government was to take the property for some specific reason um that that's how a CR would get extinguished but it's it's not something that typically can be done by the one of the parties you know what I
mean does that make sense to everybody yes okay okay um anyway and so on and so forth subsequent transfers what happens if the owner is no longer the owner even though there's a CR on the property the
property can still be sold there are how do you amend this and when did it happen um uh etc etc and then down at the bottom the signature pages the granter the grantee acceptance the approval by
the select board or city council um and then the exhibits you know whatever you want to put in there um the description of the premises the you know you would put the deed in the plan of land whatever and um let me see if they have
it here acceptance of Grant so um granter his name Commonwealth of Massachusetts has to sign and then the the town also has to sign the town where the prop is located and uh approval of
the select board and that's pretty much it the state has to sign etc etc acknowledgement by the mass division of fisheries and wildlife so this is a a specific
Misa um CR which is why fish and wildlife is there that's the endangered species program correct correct um so they down at the bottom they are also an approving part in this where are they
here um so that's pretty much what happens and it is a process that these are the exhibits that you would put at the end so um questions on this Ann's going to talk more about this
in in the next piece but that's what we're doing here is looking at this so are there any questions so I don't have a question about the form specifically I did have a question about um the the idea of transferring the
land um to the Conservation Commission so you said that was voted on back yeah it was a while ago yeah um is it worth considering asking again if they would want the land transferred
before we do the CR process well I um that might be a consideration but I want to talk with an first because there's a slightly different process that we might be able to put in play okay so can I ask
why they rejected the offer I would have to watch that meeting to tell you exactly I I believe most of the people that several of the people that are still on the board were on the board at the
time so I know James was on the board Jim deryan was on the board I don't remember who else was at that point but um I think they just didn't want the responsibility of having to monitor that
is my guess but but again it's a guess because I haven't watched that meeting in a long time I'll see I'll see you next Wednesday we have a meeting I can ask them so we also have to see if the select board is willing to transfer the
property so um Emily do you want to weigh in on this as the permit holder um I think that's a good question to ask and um um I think it's worth looking into it
would mean that we would not be putting a conservation restriction on this property yeah it would mean that the um the uh what we couldn't do um was have the town own the property and the
Conservation Commission hold a CR we couldn't do that right um so the other the suggestion was transfer it to them when they said no then it came back to the um select board okay and if if it
was transferred to the Conservation Commission would they be able to say the allowed uses and the not allow the CR wouldn't be a part of it it would they would be the ones then in charge of the
lease so I would have to check with Town Council on this because right now the lease is three years and then three years and then three years to Tesa one one um thing that that might be sort of a a
reason not to do it that way is that the conservation Commissioners change on a regular basis and so the way the property
is um cared for and the policies that they would have could also keep Chang in um from one year to the next to the next um whereas a CR would be something
that would have some consistency over time um maybe what I'll do is I I will get the date of that meeting and after I within the next day or two I'll send you
the link to the conservation um Commission meeting and where they discussed it would that be helpful yes yeah okay sorry I'm writing it down
um yeah now that I think about it I am thinking that I think consistency would be really helpful um yes yeah that that is a good point and also um I think this is a really great
committee because we're viewing the property from all different perspectives and so we can give everybody's values input here um and and that's good that's something that's really good there is on
so let me share the map of the property just very quickly um so I I also while you're while you're doing that Ronnie um so uh when I looked at the maps briefly it looked like one
parcel was already under the control of the water department this is why we have a water commissioner on this committee that's TD and um to say it's already under the control isn't quite exactly
but it is set aside for um for a water use so what does that mean set aside it it means that um there's a potential town wellsite on the property but is it
currently deeded to them I thought we looked at this before and I'll I didn't think it was no okay so that that kind of makes sense if the Conservation Commission didn't get the
other one it could be that the deed just to General Municipal land you know to the town of Townsen as opposed to you know under the car cusing control of conservation or to the water department
but that would be something to clarify quite frankly okay I remember going through this way back when and determining that the deed was to the town with the option for a we
site it was not to the water department but I will check to ensure that that's the case this is why it would have been good to have Todd on the meeting um well you'll have another meeting I'm sure right oh we will yeah yeah I'll find out I'll um and what's Todd's last name
malanson m e l an s o n it's on the um letterhead of the for the agenda for today right right sorry about that I didn't have a copy in front of me that's okay
um so this is the property and the area with the Restriction would be um in back in here I can't I can't see where you're pointing oh you can't you can't see my
CS sir well maybe if I make it a little bigger can you do that again I can try um okay so I see now I see the cursor and you're heading to the north
yeah so if you so go ahead if you start this is the entry um far up on Mason Road if you start there and come down here and kind of then aim over towards this way and come down around here
there's parking we want to stay off of the parking area the parking is all down here and it no the the park is near that 1135 21 yeah right in here this is the parking right so it would be on this
side and up to Mason Road on the other side so okay so basically excluding the playing fields yes the field in between the two Fe playing fields that 1135 21
yes correct and the roadway and the roadway coming in and the area on the same side as the fields all the way up to Mason Road or where all right so there's uh okay so there's no more
Fields soccer fields proposed to the north there there are soccer fields proposed selenia you can talk about this more in this area I know there's more parking being added I think it's up in here yes and where can you show that
again the parking it's up in this area um so you come in oh I see uhuh I can't figure out how to get everybody's faces off the yeah right column of my screen here at home I'm sure there's a way but
um maybe here so I I know there's in this area there's more parking proposed Selena do you want to talk about it more yeah so right now the idea is the existing Road would get more parking along it where there isn't currently
parking so like the road some parking in there and then as You Follow the road along um once you pass that first field the parking is only on the South Side so we want to add parking on the north side
of that road as well and then we're proposing new Fields between the two Fields here leaving some of the land naturalized but putting in some more field space and then to the north and
east of the first field so in here that area in there would be additional parking um it wouldn't be paved it would just be uh graded uh just B that you can drive on
um so some additional parking up in that corner so there would be a driveway that led to that parking area obviously yeah so right along the side of the field between the main road in right now and up to that space and then
we have a right of way out to the road out toon Road right there so we were going to make that a in only you can drive into that parking lot and then when you leave you go out the existing Drive oh and have
um natural heritage already issued a Misa permit for this work we are working on that process right now we've uh we've been going back and forth a little bit and uh I'm waiting on them to schedule a meeting to finalize
things I'm I'm if I remember right the board of Selectmen signed the um the uh document that um was needed to allow it to go forward um you know to be looked at for permitting
purposes so yeah and basically it's the this road it this is kind of the bound right now of the of the soccer you know up to around in here of the soccer uh
facility yes so and and all the work is being done away from the protected area the area that we're looking to protect cor so so I I if you have any plan that
shows that area on your you know that you've submitted to natural heritage that might be helpful for me to see um there is that strip of woods basically along you know to the south of the
entrance along the access road yeah you mean here exactly all the way down and that I think that's roughly three acres it's not very big and then um and then it would also include this other
parcel to the to the north beyond the playing field correct you mean this up towards Mason Road um I'm oh I'm sorry I'm having a hard time
seeing your pointer so well you're go the first soccer field heading towards the houses and then going to the right no no no I'm I'm looking more at
1135 z Oh over here yeah protected area we aren't going anywhere near that okay so so the CR would include that area yes
okay so yeah my one of my questions is so first of all it's would this be an appropriate time for me to I think that we should um so I've pretty much said all I'm going to say about the conservation
restriction process I'm going to um go to 2.3 and this is the appropriate place for an to talk should I leave the map up an or should I yeah that's fine okay I
um so I just wanted to introduce myself again to everybody who might not know me and I'm basically the land agent for Mass fish and wildlife for this part of
the state so I buy land I accept gifts um I acquire CRS sometimes s and um but however it's not just my decision right
so uh as a land agent I develop projects so I approach land owners and ask them if they want to sell or donate their their land or CR and then um once we come to an agreement on yeah this is the
area then I present that project to the land committee which is made up of other fish and wildlife personnel and then they usually rank
those projects across the State against each other now this one is a little different in that it would be a gift so um I could get the lands committee to
approve this kind of project um over email rather than having to wait for one of our two land committee meetings that we have annually so we typically meet in the fall and then and approve projects and
then we typically meet January February and improve projects but for gifts um since there's um much less expenditure we still have to do title exam and um
sometimes other due Dil like in this case we would probably do a survey because even though the property was surveyed previously when the development went in um we wouldn't be
getting a CR over the entire property right so we would be excluding those playing fields and the parking area and the roadways so that that would be required so
um as I said I could probably get the L committee to approve the gift we have a um boiler plate because we're a state agency that protects land for wildlife
habitat uh we do not go through the same CR process that um towns do so uh our process is much quicker and easier
and simpler and doesn't have usually as much back and forth with Town Council Etc so we have a boiler plate that we use on a regular basis and you know we fill in the blanks and we're essentially
done um once the the town agrees with the with the language then we uh sign it ourselves the town signs it and then you're done um the process with division
of conservation Services tends to be much more lengthy um sometimes it can be you know six months or longer um what else did I I also wanted to say that
um for something like this um uh I would definitely want the um oh this is uh it's funny Pat I was going to say I would want Pat hucker to be involved and she just uh sent me a text asking if we
were still meeting so um I'm not sure how to get in touch with her while I'm on this phone I'm gonna have a friend see if she can text her and say yes get on if you
can come so um so Pat hucker is the district manager and um I already discussed this briefly with her to see if I should even attend and whether she's even interested in
accepting the CR because if she wasn't then you know I'd basically be wasting my time and your time um but she said said that yes she would be interested in holding the CR on this one um in theory
because uh it's such valuable property um in terms of rare turtles and uh in addition Mass fish and wildlife is kind of um hold on one
sec sorry about that just have her join sorry hold on one sec just have her join please the zoom sorry about that
um so uh Pat is going to join the zoom now so if if you have to letter her in just be forewarned that she's GNA try to join um the other thing that we're
cognizant about is um natural heritage and endangered species program because typically there's kind of a firewall between land agents like myself and natural heritage and the reason for that
is um they're very sensitive about not giving the appearance of extracting land you know so oh well why don't you just give give us that land or give us that CR um so they're they're very careful
about not suggesting that you know wear an option um although in my mind I think they could certainly offer many options such as another land trust or another
state agency Etc so um we would just want to make sure that um within fishing game fish and wildlife that it's considered acceptable for us to hold this CR so we just want
to I just want to put that out there to you the other the other concern on my part is the water department possibility of a well um and just having some uh safeguards as to where that
might occur I think that natural heritage would probably be involved and another permit would need to be issued if they were going to actually put wells in so that's really not my business but
um whether the CR is granted to fish and wildlife fishing game or another entity I think the CR would probably need to address that if if the town wants to retain that that right into the
future I think the town would want that right um yeah Emily where is the wellsite is it in this area or is it farther um yeah it's to the left of your to up yeah
right there and then in the woods in where the trees are yeah it's up in here yeah so the the access on this side of Mason Road The Far Side of Mason Road is pretty much the access into that wellsite which is right in this area and
are there Wells there currently no only a test well I believe okay yes um so uh I I one point I do want to make just for people that aren't familiar with CRS is
the town retains ownership of the land the when you have a conservation restriction you have someone that is kind of the overseer watching to make sure that the restrictions that were the land owner wanted on the land are
actually being um you know uh put into play they're being honored so um anyway I just wanted to make that so it's it's not as if fish and wildlife becomes the owner of the property they are the
overseer of uses in that portion of the property correct and if we if fish and wildlife wanted to do work in the area like clear brush to um enhance
the turtle nesting area we would need to get permission to do that right from the land owner right so has Pat tried to join yet I thought I admitted her yeah I'm in oh good oh good
I don't see you on my screen do you see me Veronica there you are so sorry I'm late I was cheering and I got distracted so good to see everybody sorry I tuned in late um so do
you want to introduce yourself to everybody Pat and then we can do the same I'm Pat hucker Northeast District supervisor for Mass wildlife I know Emily I know Veronica who else is on the call um
Selena do you wanna yeah I'm Selena Thomas I'm the vice president of the Town s nashby youth soccer program hi hello and then Michael Mike pot said I'm on the Conservation
Commission hi Mike for just a couple of months so I'm a newbie um the other person on the committee is Todd malanson he's a water commissioner and he was appointed to this committee but he did not make it to
the meeting tonight so I'll talk to him later okay but that's our committee um uh the four of us I I think we're here for the you know the habitat the the soccer piece making sure
that we protect the species as well as allow for the recreational uses that are so important on this property and then there's also a Well site that we were I don't know if you were when we were talking about it when this property was deeded to the town um they saw it as a
potential new wellsite and that wellsite is if you come in this entrance to the property it's back in here so it there is no existing Town well on it now but it it was a future Well site for the
town that so that is a reserved use on the property okay so um so I was just explaining Pat that um you know uh I had a brief conversation with
you about the potential for holding a CR on the non soccer areas so basically the turtle nesting potential Turtle nesting areas um and then I also explained that
it's it's not just our decision and that you know even if you and I were in favor of doing the CR we'd still need to get the land committee approval and um because natural heritage is involved
would want to make sure that we were all on the same page and it's all copesthetic so did you want to add anything to that I think that what you and I talked about was um that sounds like what we went over but we also wanted to know more
about the conservation and the CMP the conservation man plan which um apparently has not been issued yet they're still working on it and the CMP which kind of um brought the the
potential CR back to the Forefront is um to uh propose another soccer field in between the two existing Fields so if you're looking at the map
it's 11:35 21 right where that number is yeah was is where the new uh additional field would go in addition um to the north of the first yeah so um I don't know if you can
see Ronnie's Arrow but trying to move it back and forth yeah to the north that there would be a new entrance proposed in that location that would be in only and some additional parking would be placed uh just to the northeast of that
first field and then the idea would be that uh that would connect to the existing access road and it would be an out only yeah so it would be one way in and out and I will say that this is underway
these plans are underway the town did sign to allow um Tesa to go forward with the permitting for these field um the new Fields besides besides Misa permitting there there needs to be other
permits maybe Selena can talk more about that what other permits are required I think there's a building um that's GNA small building um currently there is a small uh storage shed but we want to add a
lightning structure like a pavilion kind of idea um for safety reasons and that would be right next to the existing roadway in kind of in the uh yeah bottom left corner of that
field just small this small lightning protection structure um so that is the building it wouldn't be a large building just enough um and the permitting we are
working with Misa right now to try and finalize the site plan um they had some questions and requests about moving some stuff around so we've been working with them on that and we are going to be
meeting with them we're waiting on them to reply with a meeting date to finalize the site plans um as far as the other permitting things go I don't know off the top of my head what they are because our civil
engineering firm is keeping the checklist of all the different permits we need so I can get that information um to everybody but I don't have it with me at the
moment are there are there any lights planned for the property no because um the existing information we have is that the lighting is not allowed on the
property due to the habitat of the turtles so like that's in it's already in the lease that there is no lighting allowed okay good and there's no other I mean I I understand that you're um considering that additional access way
in but that's still all to the south of the development correct yes okay there are some structures that are in the proposed CR area there's a you
know the access in from the from the Horseshoe I'm just looking at a white rectangular that looks like two structures that are you mean this and this the 1135 area I think yeah over
here I don't know what those are I've never seen them yeah I I don't know what that is either actually we also don't go past that second field like ever yeah okay it's possible that this is
encroachment if it's still there it's possible that this is someone's shed or something I don't know I mean have you seen anything out there Emily no this isn't this map was made you know maybe two or three years
ago when the the first um time we did uh habitat management out there right that's when this was made we'll have to go take a look I don't recognize that at all and I can't imagine what it could
be yeah it it could just be a a you know like a you know how when you take an x-ray you get a little looks real no maybe it I don't know I don't I don't think it would be soccer nets but no no I don't think this is soccer at all they
really don't go beyond this area yeah I didn't think so could be a vehicle like a camper or something like that yeah if you look at the current satellite image one of the white things is still there the smaller square one yeah but the
other one is not and it does look like that house there has taken more space behind it for yard yard yeah exactly that looks like a trespass that is encroachment yeah
huh so that's that's what happens when there's no CR on the property you know because nobody claims ownership and goes out and checks these things on a regular basis and that's the kind of thing that would
be um hopefully caught if there was a are in the property right because you monitor the property every year correct yeah for those sorts of encroachments and typically um the planning board
requires um Bounds at the rear of the Lots so I you know because this is a relatively old development I'm not sure if that was required but there is an existing plan
that's recorded so we should be able to scale it off as well to say Hey you know clearly you shouldn't be here and you need to restore it that might be one for me actually so since since the town is the owner of the
property yeah um so all right that is definitely that photograph though is definitely from a long time ago because there are so many more trees yes in that area now those those
things might not be there anymore well I yeah someone said they just looked at the more current um aial and just the smaller object is still there so it it Bears some investigation
yeah so an yes is that so the boilerplate option that described earlier is does that really seem like a viable option or is there impediments to that approach I think the only um the
only issue that I can foresee regarding uh that boilerplate is that we would need to um add we would need to get permission to change the boiler plate to in to
include allowing future wellsite okay and so we would need to we would probably need to have a larger conversation with the water department to figure out is this you know is it still viable do they even still you know
they might there's different degrees right so I could see where the town might say well we want to keep that retained right just in case cuz you never know
um but on the other hand uh Todd might say yeah we looked into this and you know at this at this time it doesn't seem that it's feasible because I don't know we can't get the the quantity of
water or there were quality issues or whatever and so I think we need to do a little more research and and find out because if if Todd said well I think that the water
department would still like to retain in the town for that matter would like to retain the right to potentially put in a well in the future at this point we don't think it's feasible in the next 10 or 20
years okay because then I think that I think that the powers that be at Fish and Wildlife meaning the Lance committee specifically might say oh okay if if that's the case then you know this turtle habitat is important enough for
now that um we can we can live with that and but they might want to put some some parameters around you know how much disturbance could occur Etc and as I said they would have to go and get
additional permits from conservation and and natural heritage Etc they chose to to act on that in the future and if we went with that option would the CR just be the strip of land
near the the river or would it cover the entire land in other words once it's surveyed you would just have the C for the strip or the whole parcel well that would be something to to discuss I would
recommend that we include that strip of Hillside along the existing access road that three acres that I had referred to earlier and then um everything past that
last you know the strip along the river and then past that playing field I would say it should include all all that area as well with the caveat that you know a
a a well may be installed in the future with proper pering Etc so basically the entire land minus the part that actually is being used for soccer exactly it would exclude the
soccer the existing soccer fields the proposed soccer field the existing uh parking and access road as well as the proposed parking an access road right and so the options are this
20page form that seems like it would be a real job to do or this quote unquote boilerplate option is there a downside to the boilerplate option well um you would have to look at the you know the devils in the details obviously um our
boiler plate is also very lengthy um we have a section that uh if the town wanted to um still do forestry on the property then there's a section for that this is
such a you know this area is so close to the river and you know is already fairly open I don't know that that would necessarily pertain to this so that would be up to up to the town to decide whether they want to retain that right
or not um okay when you said boiler plate somehow in my mind I thought easier so it is it is it is definitely easier there are very
few uh places to change for instance so it would be open to hunting um however obviously there are existing setbacks right so um you can't hunt within a certain distance of
roadways or houses so I'm not even sure if any of that would be available for hunting you know what I mean what about hunting when the kids are on the field I I don't know for sure that I would want that as an allowed use I'm not even so
the first thing to do would be to check and see if this is within hunting setbacks already so if it if it turns out that you know hunting is precluded due to the location of existing houses and Roads ways then you know it's a moot
point right you couldn't do it anyways so I haven't I haven't done that step yet so that that could be something that before the next meeting I'll look into that more closely Emily and Selena have you ever known
Hunters to be out there no um I think there would be room setback wise I'm not 100% sure because I am not up to date on my
uh but those fields are very large so I do believe on the uh the other side of the field from the houses there is probably you're probably far enough back to hunt there's not much past the soccer
fields like it's all the San cook River so there's a lot of No Man's Land right okay I've never I've never um come across a hunter but I have heard gunshots not far
away but that's probably um down the river a bit or Upstream a bit or across the river right right so like I said I can I can look into that issue and um you know try to
create a a map that would show the existing hunting SE okay and um correct me if I'm wrong the difference between this CR form we have and your boiler plate would also include
who owns the CR or own maybe not be the right word um who holds who holds the CR yeah so um I don't I don't know who who would be the CR holding entity
in your draft so far Ronnie I don't know if you even got that far we we had I had been in conversations with um Al fman at nashille River watershed this was two years ago yeah um and um he was he was
on the lookout for us for a CR holder and then of course all of the you know Al retired and the whole management has changed at nrw way so I have not gone back to them you know one one question
that I have is does is Misa is Misa the one who's propo you know suggesting that you have a CR if you don't transfer the land to C to the care custody and control of conservation yes okay and then did they did me did natural
heritage um requests that the CR include the the soccer fields themselves no they didn't s i I never got the impression that they wanted the soccer fields themselves included in that okay good I mean
because that's that would be make a big difference you know but yeah but what about you Selina did you did you have a different impression for me or Emily um yeah no the same thing so I was not part
of soccer back then um but I went back and I watched a a meeting that was held between the then Tesa board and Misa and I got the same impression that they were not wanting the soccer fields
included that's that's the impression I had so that's great because that was that was one of my big concerns was uh you know I don't I don't think no you don't want to have to monitor this no no I don't want to have to deal with that
soccer monitor the soccer field yeah great um all right so what I what I have is that um in my mind we should all just go back and think about things and what makes sense I will look for the date of the
Conservation Commission meeting where this was discussed way back when and send you guys a link to that YouTube video um I'll I'll talk to Todd and do some looking at the Deeds because I know this was a point of discussion again way
back when clarifying the water department um whether you know whether they are um I I don't think this was ever transferred to them I think it's still the it's not Water Department property
and we went through that and what their thoughts are on it yeah and How likely is it that you know they would even if they do um request that you they would attain the right How likely is it that they
might be actually doing something in the next 10 or 20 years okay all right and then uh I have a um a store next to encroachment I mean this is the town's property so I think we have to go take a
look at that um and then I have a star next to the boiler plate that um you use at Fish and Wildlife if you could you know just kind of give us a copy of that just to look at yeah yeah I'll I'll try to fill it in
when when do you think your next meeting will be well that's our next item on the agenda is to figure out when we can again meet and for me um it would be better if it was further out than sooner just because of all the budget things
going on in town right now yeah it's pretty busy um so what do you guys think and on and is Thursday a good day to meet it is for me yeah in general Thursdays are good for me as well yes
Thursdays Emily yes y um so I I would suggest April 10th does that work is that too long out or should we go you you know the tenth is good that works for me sure Works yep
all right an is that good and I believe so I don't I don't have my uh calendar right out in front of me but even if I couldn't make it I could certainly get my information to you beforehand and you know maybe Pat could
attend one if one of you could yeah that would be great all right so um all right so I will I will post a meeting for 7 P.M I will um get everybody's uh email from Sabrina
because she did the posting for us initially and I will um uh create an agenda run it by you guys to see if there's anything else you want added to it before I post great well thank you very much uh
for allowing o me to attend and for you guys for taking the time this is a really important property um that's very important to rare turtle species and I'm sure other species as well um
so sorry that's just one little point of clarification before we adjourn um an earlier you said something about um a gift you described it as a gift to you I'm thinking you you being the state
somehow or entity within the state okay but now there was just a discussion about we need to find a holder would the state be the holder or correct yeah if okay when you it would be the the CR would be
gifted to the Mass Department of fishing game okay but then there was another discussion um Veronica were you talking with um fman yes I forget his first name and that was if we had use the long form
that the one I sent you if we used the Misa long form we needed to find a um a a CR holder someone to hold that CR um with the with the boiler plate and fish fishing game would be the CR holder if
if we go that route so and so it's a different form right the boiler form yeah so we've already found the holder potentially and and let me just clarify I just wanna I just want to say
that it's not um just patent our my decision right so we have to go through our channels and um an I just want to clarify you're going to check on the setbacks for
correct that and I'll get a and I'll get a map to you guys before the 10th okay I know that our agenda had said we were meeting on March 27th but uh I know I won't be ready on March 27th
to meet on this so so cancel March 27th if you had it in your calendar and we'll just go with April 10th if that's okay with everybody yep great yeah um do you guys want to see the draft site plan as it
stands knowing it could very well change when we meet with Misa again that would that would be very helpful I think okay so I will email that out to the group yeah and if there's any other information along with that site plan
you know like I don't know if you had a consultant that said these were the conditions or whatever I don't know okay great all right this is this is great uh anybody have anything else before we
adjourn oh all set right so motion to adjourn is there a motion I motion to adjourn at 88:13 second I second Michael gets a
second all right um all those in favor we have to do a roll call vote so all those in favor beginning with Emily Emily fine yes adjourn uh Veronica Kell
yes Selena Thomas yes Mike B said yes with that we are adjourned thank you all everybody have a good evening