like to call to order uh the Town Conservation Commission meeting for July 9th, 2025 at 7:03 p.m. Um, can I roll call vote starting with Mike, please? Mike said present. James Dorian present.
See, he sat at the different spot in the table. He went right to that. Yep. Yeah, but I sat here because you're the one that brings in the candy. I wanted to get close. Okay. Well, Your turn, bud. All right.
James Gates, tell us about everybody's routine. I knew those, right? I aliance to the flag of the United States of America. to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. You okay? You cold? I never had allergies before and all of a sudden this afternoon I got uh this meeting is being recorded. Is anyone else recording?
and chairman's additions and or deletions. Um, we're adding 4.3 car street plan and then 4.4 ANR. I don't know.
forest. What was next? Do we need 4.3? No. Uh 4.3 is forest cutting plan and 4.4 is the ANR for yes 22 road. Okay. Yeah.
um chair report. Here's Lori Stefan joining us tonight from the select board. Hi Lori. Hi everyone. And um I'm Jim. I'm assuming you got the information that you needed to proceed
tonight. Yes. Thank you. Okay. And I want to thank everyone there for their time and efforts on behalf of the town. You're welcome. Thank you. Review and approve meeting
minutes. jump. Yeah, there's one uh one meeting up there. It's the 28th. Sorry, I should have Reporting in progress. Nothing. You go back.
Heat. Heat. We'll look at those. Mike, did you get a chance to look? Yep, you did. Y any issues, questions, concerns, comments? Need a motion and a second, please. I'll make a motion that we approve the
meeting minutes for May 28th. May 28th, 2025. Second roll call vote starting with Mike. Mike P said yes. James Dion, yes. Pat, yes.
James Gates, yes. Well, those of you that don't know, he usually James usually sits here and I sit over there and mixed it up a little. We're all confused by, you know, 1.7 agent report.
Colobby, you asked me to take a look at the property on the road. Oh, yeah. I didn't get a chance to look at it too deeply. Okay. What piece was it? What was the number? 37 Pitchburg Road.
Do you have that? I can look it up. Yeah. In my email, but yeah, it's one that um they started applying for a permit for the work there. Um, and we I I met with the homeowner and um
we talked about moving the the building outside of the uh proposed area because it was going to be within a resource area um of a of a stream there. And this was this is a stream that, you know, was
arguably a riverfront area. Um they probably they had the potential that could argue that it was intermittent which would come with 100 foot buffer zone difference. That's the difference between the
Yeah. Um and it looks it looked they started working but it it looks like that it got way beyond what they were proposing as far as work.
But it deserves a um at least a look by 37 New Fitsburg. Yeah. New construction obviously. Well, the h the house is existing. It's a garage. Yeah, there's a garage already. We can request a site visit with the
owner or we can request them to come to the meeting, a meeting. Do we all want to go out and take a look at it before we bring them to the table or what? Think we should couple of us. Okay.
And the work that wasn't discussed is like basically big parking lot of crushed stone. It's quite Yeah. really visible from the road on 37 new New Fsburg Road. Is that right where they had just put those three
condominium plexes in? I don't know. That's Pitch Road. West Towns. I just want to make sure the fire station 37 would be out right around the state pit right around there that that area right
just around just before that shaft corn. State the state department of transportation has their garage. Oh yeah. Is it right across across the road from there? Close to that. Yes. Okay. Um on the power lines it came up it came up by Jonathan Lane I think.
I got it. I know what I know. Just so it was uh it came up because one of the properties that was proposed by the um properties commission for being sold off or transferred to um another
uh uh office in town like us like conservation commission. Um they we the town owns that property right across the road. It's a dry. You're familiar with it. It's a bull dry shave. Yeah. Anyway, it's all wet. Yeah.
Yeah. I was half of the state pits. Half the state put on the lefth hand side in there. Remember we were discussing the properties went out and looked at it. No, that was one of them that we had only an acre or two or something. Not very big. Yeah, that's different. That's two
acres. That's uh I'm just trying to get familiar with you reach out to them and request permission to visit the site with Yeah. couple commissioners as well. So I'll get the neighbors permission to
Is it opposite Jonathan Lane? Yes, I believe so. On the other side. I have an idea where it is. Yeah. But again, I haven't you can't really see the street, but I know there's one that runs through it because it goes the neighbor's property.
Yeah. I'll drove by one day and there were just several trucks lined up ready to bring something in. So, I don't know exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Now, did the building department have an active permit for a building going in
site plan? They do. site plan, but they're moving forward on something. Yeah. So, just let us know. I'll go agent report.
Yeah. Sorry about the wrench in that. It's all right. Uh visited Wendyo Road extension um roughly a week ago. That was the storm water permit check um in a conservation restriction discussion. Um
I discussed uh the storm water system with Mal who's the construction site contractor. Not sure it's official term but uh he provided me photos. He's a for he's a foreman on that job. For
um he provided photos of the storm which is underground right now. The components on it. Um actually right now for the record I need to excuse myself basically cuz I actually
contractor hat on. Yeah, I got to get my contractor hat on. Um I also just started a discussion with the property owner um about uh the uh conservation restriction which is a requirement there. um is a requiring
because it's age restricted development. So uh and we he's got an area designated for it and we just have to start that process. Um if we do any more projects like that that's expect to hear more about.
How many acres are going to be put into the restriction? Yeah, it's a small it's a system you know it's probably ft. Okay. Yeah, it's required. It's basically a sitting area. It's
basically a sitting area or gather outside gathering area and some and obviously native vegetation there left along. There's a stroke along. So nice a pretty stone wall to look at. Yeah, with a beautiful granite wall to
look at. Yeah. All right. Very much so. I visited the Baser area as well, Lunberg Road. Yeah, Lunberg Road. Yeah. There are two TVs up there that have been discarded on the property picked up
and that reach out to DPW or something. Sorry, there's two TVs. two TVs dumped on a conservation property on the on the uh the entrance to the OK Corral that be on the left corral, right?
Okay. Yep. Uh the trail is overgrown and I doubt anyone could find anyone to go through. So that might be a project the boy scouts go trail building project. Uh the fence is also overgrown with vegetation
fence there being taken over by the fence. Uh, as far as building permit signoffs, uh, 104 West Meadow Road, uh, they want to install a pool. Um, there is riverfront area at the back of the property, but it's outside of their
project area. So, that's it. Thank you, Colby. Now, they're the people that just moved in 104. Okay. Has those? Um, that's one of the original last houses up on the left
has the big pillars right next to where Anthony just built the two. Okay, gotcha. Nice people. 719. Um, thank you for You'll call us when you want to get us together to
go up and look at the new Fitsburg. Yes. We're all sitting kind of at a blank about just what we're all what we were talking about. So, definitely want to get a sitew walk out there, see what he's doing. Yeah. And I I have a I do have a a map
of outlines a bit about what they were proposing and where they moved it to sign off on it. Yeah. Yeah, I'll send it all. If it's the morning before our next
meeting, I won't be able to be there. I won't be able to be at the next meeting. You should know that now. I'll be away. I'd like to be um go on the sidewalk. So, if it can be next Wednesday instead of the Wednesday after, okay,
but at the convenience of everyone else, that's a very simple request. Yeah, I was going to say I was trying to think about something objective to say, but I just Yeah, I got nothing, you know. How would Next Wednesday work for you?
Yes, it does. Does it work for your garlic? Yeah, the season 2.1 um
93 East Haynes Road TWWB um 2025-4 noticement 10. We're doing these things. Yes, it is RDA. RDA. So, if you don't mind on the agendas, just if you put NOI RDA.
So, we did an RDA on um East Hanes. Yes. Beautiful. Straightforward, simple. Well, I think there's Oh, I did it. Yeah, I can make it more obvious. I assume Yeah, it's all good.
Oh, it is. But okay. Um, yeah. TWWB 20225- Z004 approximately or it's 7:21 now um outfits Michelle and Francis Dol request for determination of
applicability to install an array of solar panels with in 100 foot wetland buffer add pursuant to the mass WPA and towns and wetland bylaw the towns of Hong Kong will hold a public hearing Wednesday, July 9th, 2025 at
approximately 7:15 p.m. The hearing will be held virtually via Zoom meeting um and in person town hall on an RDA filed with STWB2025-00004 by applicants Fran and Michelle Dold. Uh
the property is located at 93 East Hes Road, Town Mass, Assessor's Map 43, Parcel 15, lot 6. The proposed project is the install installment of a residential solar array within 100 foot
of a wetland. Parties wishing to speak in support of or in opposition to this application may do so at the meeting or in writing prior to the meeting. Copies of this application are available for review at town hall during business hours.
You want to talk to us about your project and um we're going to do open the hearing. You don't need to. It's already Oh, correct. So, the project uh is something to help
eliminate our electric bill. It's going up. I'm planning on retiring in September. Uh not only that, it's going to reduce our carbon footprint. There no more propane heat. There'll be no more wood stoves. Um the array has been designed to support the house. uh based
on what I've explained to the solar company Suny uh what my future plans are to install mini splits uh working again with another program trying to get something to help us. Uh the array is going to be 68 ft long consist of 48
panels. Uh the site that it's going to sit on is 10 ft above water level. Uh it was originally a horse paddic for the last 31 years. Um, the horses have been gone for longer than that. I've kept it cleaned and maintained because I don't
like the weeds, the corral, the fence. Uh, it will be fenced off on three sides except for the wetlands. Uh, it's 26 ft from the closest point to the toe of slope. That will be 10 ft above water line. There will be no digging. Sounds
weird, but they're screws. They're ground screws. They'll be put in with a backhoe arm or a skid steer arm that will screw them down 36 in. How many? 24. 24 to meet snowload requirements. There's already been a building permit. The building permit's already been
approved. It's already to go. But because of the wetlands, we chose to bring it to up front and be straightforward with it. We don't want any issues down the road. We say, "Why didn't you come see us?" Yeah. Um, so the the only digging that will be done will be right next to the dirt
access road to the other neighbors, which is 72 ft away from the wetlands. If it's 24 in deep, it will be on the roadside. It cuts across the dirt road and goes right up my driveway for all your power for all the power that we require. So there'll be no digging on site other
than the 24 screws that will be going in trenching. Uh so yeah, and the trenching is literally next to the the access road now, which is maintained by all of the people on the road. I actually do all the plowing and the maintaining of the road for the people on the road. Nice. Um hopefully there's something here that
can work for us and we're not disturbing the wetlands. It's it's I actually like the buffering. Um I like where I live. You don't see anybody. Uh we have a couple neighbors on either side. Everybody's good with it. I've talked to my neighbors. Everybody's excited about it. One of my other neighbors is
actually considering it. My neighbor just put it on a roof. Unfortunately, my roof is not acceptable according to this old company. Because I was gonna ask why you went with a a standing system. I have no attic space. I got you. So all my ceilings are the the raptors. Yeah.
Uh and when I worked with uh Mike, I can't remember his last name. I will in a minute. The building inspector when I first moved here, the property was condemned. We restructured the property with an engineer permit. Uh all the ceilings have been wrapped with 2in F. So it doesn't work for any type of
roof. That's why you separated it away from the house. There's no asset. So, there was a bit of a reason why you went away from the house and you utilizing your land to be able to put the panels up. Yes. Good. Good. So, yeah. And the and the roof, there's
no access for them to work from the opposite side with the wiring, all the different things that would have had to happen. It's a much more and it's cleaner maintenance. It's going to look cleaner. Like I said, we invited everybody down today. Mike showed up, Kobe showed up. Yeah, I actually had a representative from Suny
there to answer any questions about the system and they're good about that. They're very good with the customers get getting them all up to speed. We're familiar with a few about 30 different solar companies and there were a few that I politely asked to leave my house simple questions. Absolutely.
So, Sun's been very good on top of things. Yeah. They've been very good with working with the town uh working with us as a homeowner. Um they've worked with all the permits. We've helped a little bit with the last leg here. us the questions. Kobe actually helped us out making sure we got everything done
properly. Um, everybody's been great with it. I'm just hoping we can move forward with it. So, we're limited trenching. We're We're only punching 26 24 in. And that's And there's how many? 36 did you say?
There's 36 in on the on the screws that will go on the ground. And the mount we're punching in again. How many? It's a flat surface. There's 24 screws. Yeah. 36 in into the ground. 24 full and that's exceptionally good digging down in that area. So there's going to
be zero issues. So you're really such a minimal amount of impact. The only thing we need to look at is where we are in relation to the wellin area. I don't see in my opinion any problem at all.
I can speak to that. Please. I I really didn't see an alternative to uh moving the handles anywhere. Um meaning there wasn't any more peeling areas further from 100 bringing it up to two or
I think you have a large open area. There was there was a leeching field for the septic system as well as irrigation and as far as you know being in a place where like the maximum amount of sun
sun energy that was the spot and they really do their homework on their locating and you know the reason this has been going on since um very beginning of January. So, you've done We've done Yeah, we've been working with Synergy uh research and looking We've
done sun maps. We've done I've looked up through Noah angles and and directions. Um it's not true south. It's 194 and a half. Our location in the northeast uh the operable amount of sun. It fits there, but it is close like I said and I we
both Suni and my wife and I did not want an issue. So, that's why we're sitting here in front of you today. No, we 100% agree. We appreciate that. You look back, I've got the house condemned and there's not one thing been done there without Yeah, I do not.
Including the septic system. That was a challenge. That was a two-year back and forth. Really? It just happened. I've known I've known Fran for 30 plus years. He's a He works in construction. Um he's very knowledgeable with construction. You can tell by listening
to him there. And uh I'm I'm sure he will feel very confident that he'll do everything right to the letter of the law and probably better neighbors are liking it. My neighbors are in a good area fixing out my house. The neighbors that's away from their property line by the minimum
of what it is. Uh I've talked to her. She's actually considering putting solar in her property. Um she's got and I actually set up a couple pine trees on the back side of my property. I told her to move far to help her out with the sunspot. Um, and my neighbor to the left just had solar done on her roof. So,
she's in a different position. Her house sits differently on the property. Gotcha. Gotcha. Nice. Pat, do you have any concerns or questions or clarifications? No. It sounds like, you know, he did his homework and, you know, since I went out
to see it and everything, I think that's it sounds like, yeah, it's not really a problem. Well, being a paddic area. It's flat, very steep slope down to the wetland
which is a moist land. Um there were a few indicator plants there. There but single button bush. I think it was some Joe pie, some alder. So technically it's a you know a wet ones. And um the only
issue that I had, and I don't think it's a real issue at all, was you know the movement of the machinery in order to drill the holes to put these screws in. Uh would they go close enough to the edge of the wetland, the the array itself would be far enough
away. Um so that was my only concern. But if the machinery doesn't go there, they're going to go speak for them, but I'm going to be there to monitor. and my experience I'm uh 13 years in civil construction bridges roads highways railroads um done a lot of work in
Boston I understand what you're talking about is the disturbance based on how they describe this machine will work so the angle of the array they will work from back to front because what they won't be able to do the front and then get to the back so they will drive up the arm will reach out so the
machine will be further away from the back of that uh and my understanding is it's a rubber tire it's not going to be turning and twisting like a esavator would be. So there's the ability to turn which will be minimal roughage on the dirt. Now I understand the grass growing there
now. France is a what do you got for forage growing there now? Grass. Yeah. Well, there's brown brown grass. I I cut it. Yeah. It's what was it was actually what grew after the horses. So it's established solid ground.
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's a solid ground. Um, I like again I just like it to look nice. Um, I do cut the grass down there along with the rest of the yard. I trim. So, the impact is going to be minimum. They're coming in from over 100 ft from
the wetlands and they're just going to reach in. They're going to argue they're eight holes in group of eight holes of this 32 or whatever they're going to do. 24 or whatever they're going to do. going to they're going to reach in from they're going to be they're going to be as far the machine itself will be uh as
far away from the wetlands or any sensitive area than what they would be further away that's going to come out of those poles is going to be enough to keep around to deboot that's exactly I'm also a heavy equipment operator uh so I understand what they're doing I've
gone over this I've actually requested that the gentleman doing the site work would be out so I can talk to him about it beforehand I wanted to know what they're going. Um, again, Kevin brought it up. I've been in construction most of my life, actually. And yeah, I don't want somebody coming in just
cowboy. I wanted to make sure they were doing it right. Easy. Don't overmanage these guys. Don't intimidate, but I also didn't want somebody just spraying my truck. And, you know, these guys are going to go in there and create the least amount of a mess so they don't have to come back with breaks and seeds and etc. This
isn't their first rodeo either. That's one of the things I like about the ground screws. Yeah. There is no digging, right? Minimum impact, very minimal. That is that Well, yeah. His description of back to front sort of allays my concern. I won't
say fear, but concern. Um, I thought we weren't sure where the equipment would be. Maybe just a single row waddle or something. My friend said cowboy. What's that? Yeah, I know. No one wants cowboys.
That's what you want water to live. That's fine. Well, I don't I honestly I don't think it's going to be needed, but I cheap insurance if we wanted to do something like that. I don't see the need because of the fact that one wheelbarrow
full of good practice. We're within 100 cheap insurance. Yeah. I'm here for the for that reason. I would, you know, I'm not here to change anything. I'm here to get your advice, hopefully show a description of what I've planned out with the solar company
to show min minimal impact. And I mean again, my carbon footprint's going away. Uh not to mention a very large electric bill. Um almost 21 kilowatts. That's a big system. Um now my electric bill is 9,000 plus dollars a
year and it's not going down. only going to go up. We're already paying for a meter charge for solar and we don't have How about uh how about a roll down along the the outside of the uh along the edge and keep it there for a period of 60
days or something. There's going to be the system's complete. Make sure it's biodegradable and just leave it there until it settles itself. If you really want behind the system, they're nylon case, so they never really go away.
Do you have anything else you want to add? And then what what do you suggest? I saw you put what you wrote, but yeah, I I don't have anything else to to suggest. No other concerns beyond determination. Do you see waddles necessary?
Uh, you can't go wrong with them, right? Just like everybody's got to weigh in. That's all I wanted everybody to weigh in. What do you think? I know. I don't think he needs some. Well, but like you know Yeah,
we always to say we're on the side of caution. He brings a Yeah, we're questioning you know, right? Yeah. On the side of caution. 100 foot 8 in walls sten down every four feet straighten. Do you have
pretty familiar with how that works? One side of me says they're not necessary, but the other side says let's just be a little bit cautious. Nothing wrong with. So I'll make pretty
make motion forg -3 determination um with a special condition of waddle on the down side of the downhill side of the work area. Yeah. Well, it'll be right along the edge. It's a steep slope down. Yeah. So, it'll just be on the edge
to the top of the rad top edge. Okay. As long, you know, and just let Kobe know when to put the water line. Sure. We've had horror stories. Well, I'll talk I'll talk to John and see what they want to do and how they want to do it. Um, and I mean, I'll even put it in for them if they want to drop it off. I don't care.
Yeah. John being the individual. John is the representative that I work with contact solo. Especially when they're going back to the front that they won't be in their way. Blah blah blah. Just wait for them. If they did
that, there's no choice in the back. Him already, the installer, very nice guy, explained everything in detail to me. So, I'll second that motion. Okay. Now, we can discuss. Okay. Just as long as the waddles don't
disturb the gyms we told you. you come up in two weeks and you can take pictures on the slope. I'll go around it for you. I'll just say that that that paddic area uh is incredibly biodiverse with wild
flowersowers aka weeds. Okay. It's it's a lovely place for Well, I don't plan on changing anything. The only thing I plan on doing is putting some raised bed garden beds in there. I want to grow organic vegetables when I retire. Cut down on the vegetable bill, too. I'm finished.
So Kevin made second. Um there's no other discussion or so vote starting with Mike. Mike said yes. You started you got to keep going. James D. Yes.
Pat General. Yes. James Gates. Yes. Kevin Smith. Yes. I was ready for that. Keep it going backwards sideways for this meeting. And we got to we got to change it up next meeting. Dan, I'm sorry. I just I just wanted to do that. Oh, okay.
Eat all this candy, too. I just I have two. I have to watch my Want a candy, you guys? To be honest with you, I wasn't really going to give him more. I was going to give you Kevin. Oh, those are Worthers. Kevin, can I
have a couple of others? What are they? trade fast for this. Let's make a deal. All right, let's keep moving on. Yeah, let's go. I got a busy night tonight.
Take some more bad or whatever the hell I'm taking. 2.25 Crocker Road. You don't mind continuing your conversation outside? We'd appreciate it. We can just keep going. Just continue that outside.
Yes, I can. Are you all set with us? I'll get the solar company. I think it's okay. You go. Yeah, you're good. We got to sign the after we sign it. After we sign everything up. Thank you very much everybody. Thank
you very much. Kobe will be Yep. He just said that he's going to contact us with the paperwork. Thank you. Thank you very much for all your help. Have a good night. Thank you. Evening Robson, do you know what the Ny number is for?
I do. I didn't put it on there because Yeah, it just came through. Okay, I'll get it. I get it from the conservation. Have the numbers been coming through with the D a little better now? I don't know. We've only done what, one or two this year. I know.
They have just hired a new circuit rider, so we'll see how that goes. We'll see how that goes. Yeah, we will. Well, I don't The common feeling, but uh 2.25 215 Proctor Road TWWB 2022-003
uh NOI number 308-07 or DP number 308 um 0721 0721 Yes. 10 approximately what's 7:42 applicant
Thomas Kingsley continuation of notice of intent hearing for the replacement of septic system within 200 foot front are we expecting as an engineer or him I believe it's Patrick is joining
Hey Kirk. Yep. Good evening. This is Kirk Fitzpatrick with Civil Solutions. Um Matt Mororrow is on vacation. He asked me to attend the hearing. I assume he went over the plan with you at the previous hearing, but I'm I'm happy to answer any questions the commission may have.
Um so the BP comments were um has the septic plan and in particular the setback from the BBW received approval from the board of health or other title 5 authority to comply with 310 CMR 10.03-
uh subsection 3. I I was kind of confused by why they would rely on the board of health for that. But yeah, why would the board of health be I don't know. Enlighten us,
right? Why would they said that? That doesn't make sense. So the the board of health did approve this plan on their meeting at uh on June 10th. I assume the permit is available.
I just didn't know if he had insight on why they why the circuit writer wrote that, but doesn't surprise me anymore. Um, so the board of health did approve it
June 10th. Okay. Matt won't wouldn't submit the NOI until it was approved. It was he did made Yeah, that was mentioned. Kobe, were there any changes that we had requested that Matt had needed to do? I
don't think there were. I just Yeah. Well, there's a inconsistency on the map. What did you mean by an inconsistency on the map in the legend? The legend had uh oh dot dot the buffer 100 foot buffer with a
but didn't he explain that to you when he had it circled where it was the 50 foot while they were going is this the one that coded if I can address that Matt did contact me the following day and brought that to my attention I've corrected that on the
legend and we resubmitted the revised plan. Okay. Revision 2 62625. I just saw the revision. Yeah, but that represents a whole. That's right.
This is the revis line. 50 foot. Yep. It's It's corrected. Okay. Huh. Power of a commissioner. Time to go. What are you having? Hot flash. Yes.
It is in here. It is. I didn't want to be the first one to say. It's all good. Um Pat, do you have any mic? Jim and Kevin. No, actually he did a
good job at explaining that last week at that at the well two weeks ago at the meeting and he was good to see that he had pointed that out and it's been corrected. Proactive. Wonderful. Yeah. No, I've got nothing else.
That was the only thing I could placements of the waddles will have to be right up next to the the fence. It's pretty overgrown on the other side of the fence. It's just not possible. So, it's just one possible location for the water,
wouldn't you say? Yeah. Plus, he was just going to punch in the silk fence. roll that flat down and put the waddle onto the top of the edge of the sofa, right? Which I like. I find that equally as
acceptable because you're not disrupting any of your soil area, right? The waddle still takes and holds it down well and it's buted in tight there. So, yeah. And then access, you'll take down a
fence to get access to the um where are we now? under material to be removed to bring in. Mhm. Yeah. At the end of the driveway here. Yeah. Remove the fence so they can get in that way.
I think so. That that is correct. The only real access is between uh the shed and the fence line down the southern lot line. And basically all the excavated material is going to go directly into a truck be removed and then the sand will be
brought in to replace it and the system built and then they'll have to bring back in the top soil to cover it back over. So there's really just there's no room for stockpile material anywhere on the site. Done. Yes. Bring it for a ride, you bring it back. That's what it's all about. Big time.
That's what we call it. Big time. Take it for a ride. Just for a clarification there question you mentioned the access on the southern side or the northern side would be going
down. Oh I'm I'm sorry I misspoke. The northern side. Okay. The northern fence line way. There's a fence here right there. Yeah. Next to the shed. Take the fence down so you can get in there access.
So, basically straight off the end of the driveway. Correct. What we're seeing here on the big map, is there any potential that he could go around the other side of the house that could change
things a little bit as far as air erosion control? Well, not not permanent, but you know, per plan that it's This opens in the is on the outside straight back to the back side of the
work, right? From the road takes a dog left all the way down there. Best way to get in there. I mean, that's going to be the best, but it's a fair statement of what what says he does. You never know. You got a
cowboy says, "Oh, let's go this way." No, no. I I get it. But based on the I don't think it's really impossible. Yeah. To go to the back side of the house, Kobe. And
why would you think it better? You'd have too much of a slope there. I agree. But you never know. How many times if there was a need to do that if there was something that was going to get Well, I do know that there's some gas
line over there on the right side. If there if that was to be threatened by uh drugs, maybe they would change. Um yeah. No, that's a that's stick to the plan. It looks like the master right next to
Oh, yeah. He's just worried that someone might take it upon him or herself, right? Just build a road down there. the road, right? Well, that's what he's I I understand
what thought process is. Like, you never know. Um, but that's where inspections come in. So, we end questions, concerns, speak up. I say go for a motion.
I make a motion to um issue a standard order of conditions. Um 15 roadw5-003 uh D number 308-721. I'll second that vote starting with Mike. Mike P said
yes. James D. Yes. Pat. James. Yes. Kevin Smith. Yes. And you have the revised one. This is the old one. Yes. This one's stamped also. So you want to keep them together.
No. Um, I make a motion to close a hearing for 15 Proctor Road, TWWD, 2025-003. I'll second that. BP number 308-0721. I'll second that. Um, roll call vote starting with Mike.
Mike says yes. James Troy, yes. Jim, yes. James Gates, yes. Kevin Brook, yes. Thank you, Kirk. Great. Thank you very much. Have a good night. You too. Have a good evening, Kirk.
Colby, who was the guy that was here last meeting? Had the chicken coupe on Dudley. Um I just can't think of his name right now. He was just in comment. I just like when he left he said, "You guys are a lot of
fun here. You guys were really that made me feel good. Why not? We're a lot of fun." 7:53. Uh 3.12
Capricorn Lane compliance u we work for what are conditions PP number uh 308- 710 1 zero. Um complete the site inspection.
Tom's question was one. Uh good. So the the um area where the mark is has been seated in resting well. No issues. Looks good. Looks clean sight.
Perfect. Has it been mowed a couple times? Weed whack. It looks like it looks like it's been done. All right. That's always what I tend to like like to see. You know, a little bit of mowing. At least it's in grabbed, but
they're all going to start passing away soon with the lack of rain. that I can't think of any concerns any no wash out signs wash outs need a motion motion
you Mhm. I'll make a motion to sign off on the 12 two Capricorn Lane for the certificate of compliance for two Capricorn Lane uh for Mr. for coming and the DP file
number on that site is 308-0710 second and also also we're going to completed file number 30807 oh no I'm sorry one Mike second we'll call vote starting with Mike said yes
yes you got confused Kevin Smith Knocking him down. Knocking him down. What did you do? Catch something after lunch. Allergies and everything. Something about allergy.
I took some 12 months, but I just found it a couple hours ago. I just haven't got a chance to kick yet. Any old wise scale maybe? I guess the pharmacy was a struggle even
the good stuff. What are we signing off on this one, Jimmy? What is it? Certificate was a marine work order condition file number 308-0704. This was one of the auctioned properties
from the town that was demoed. Yeah. Demoed. Yeah, we did that sitewalk a year ago. Well, we we checked on it all stabilized. I actually drove by a couple weeks ago and looks good. Looks good.
Really established several times. Uh you still have the the wados in place and cover 90% of the property line to way out back in that wetland swampy
kind of area. They're weeding out. How did you you thought the house came out nice? I when I went and checked it out like four months ago, it I thought it was just about there, you know, three months.
Compared to what it looked like when we first went out there being auctioned should have taken much much better. Oh, I get too. Um, all right. So,
Koby's still on site. Does it? He's good with it. Um there's nothing lower in his head. No, he did a full tear down on that yellow building, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, we need a motion, please. I'll make
a motion to approve the 106 Haynes Road certificate of compliance for Joseé Marcado for the completed work with an OCDP file number 03080704.
Here we go. Second. Second. Roll call vote starting with Mike. Mike Quaid. Yes. James Buring. Yes. Williams. James Gates. Yes. Your turn. Kevin. Kevin Smith. Yes.
Now for us to use a dirty tissue. Yeah. Yeah. Why do the bowels tissue? Oh, there's one here. I don't know. That's mine. That's my GD super secret squirrel pen. Don't lose that one.
That's my I'm missing a pen. Remember? I got your own squirly pen. You want me to pass this one down? No, I don't have my pen. I got to use Kevin's pen. That's a good one. I lost my
I'll get it back to you in a minute. All right. 759 is 3.3 voluntary response form submission. Kim go submitted a VRF interested in joining commission.
Kim, do you mind joining the table? Oh, you Everything's different. Yeah. When we came in one day, this table was here. I like the old table. I mean, I like the old table though. Not going to lie. I like the old table.
I did. I sat in front of that old table for years and now all of a sudden they got to put a new one in. Oops. So, your form says associate conservation network. Right. Do you guys still do associate with
explain to us? Wait, were you an associate before? I was I was never an associate member. Um, you were a member? I was a member. Okay. Of the conservation commission. Yes. How long? I ran this board for years.
Towns and conservation. Yes, sir. No way. Over 10 years with you ago. No, no for about 10 years. More like eight, but it was a good long time. It was long enough. Well, it would have to be over 15 or 16
years ago. Oh, probably 25 years ago, would it during Janet Jennifer and was Leslie? Um, so at at that time the land use office
had staff, had a land use coordinator, conservation had an admin, conservation had an agent. Yeah. Um, and the board ran fairly well. Frankly, I don't know how you guys are doing this with the staff. You're offered now. Kobe just made that face when it's like,
oh, when was that? A long time. Yeah. And and Yeah. Yeah. No, the whole staffing atro help we just got you went months thought if I could help fill some of the
gaps like I felt like then even when we had land use staff there were still things that the board would be like oh I'd like to do this but and we should talk to this person but but if I can be of any assistance to fill those gaps
so there is a lot of that things I know Mike comes from he was a science teacher. He has a lot of great ideas. Pat did uh Earth Day with Autumn when she was here. But now it's I mean even if you want like additional pair of eyes on site visits
check on that. I think the biggest thing is we should still um we had something to add maybe. Sure. No, on the um the stuff that goes by the wayside is all the fun stuff that I can't get to really the trails
monitoring, trail creation, recreational programs or outreach. A lot of that is ignored. I guess you'll never not with your hours. You'll never be able to turn to touch. But even up most of the time
and that's how it has been for a while. Reporting takes up a lot of the time. Yep. And you have to keep counting other stuff. I mean, I don't know how it works with the office hours. Are you Are you mandated? Lory's on the call. Are there mandated office hours that
Yeah. So, my hours are are capped off at 32 if needs to do sight inspections or certificate requests, would I be able to suffice as someone to be in the office? Cuz from my perspective, the last time I went to the land's office as in the
butter with questions, I felt like there was no one in the office that could help me and there wasn't any it's been and it's not it's not a slight against the staff that was there that just everybody stretched. So yeah, and I have a little bit of time on my hands now and I thought
if you can put my hands to interested in being on the commission instead of just associate. I'm I'm not ready to commit to that because I don't know where my number one I don't know where my career is headed. It's like a big open door. Um
I also feel like I should probably get more involved with the day-to-day nitty-gritty of what you guys have going on before I make that decision. It would be nice to see somebody in the land use position get that filled. I would back a whole lot of pressure off
you. So this is again a volunteer position. Yeah, I understand that as a volunteer position, but what I'm saying is she'll do it either. If we had that spot filled, it would be perfect for her to come right on to the commission and be a commission. But like you said,
you don't know what's going on. She doesn't work. She doesn't She's not in a position right now to commit to be got to become a commissioner. We can Before weeks ago, there was no chance I was going to make it to a meeting. I know cuz I've talked to you several times about trying like I get home at 8:00 at night,
right? advice I got for her is um no I've asked you a couple times to join and you was no time so I understand that um so I mean I I I don't
I have an alternative to I don't mean to cut you off no I'm kind of looking for a little Yeah if you don't want to be a voting member um But you still want to uh provide some time to the town to the commission. You
can take up one of these programs and and and work with it. You can work with getting well I want to see I have all kinds of projects that have I'm sure Mike does. I'm sure
we've all talked about projects you know over the time we've been here. Yeah. conservation restrictions. There's a whole area there that to be developed. Um so if you want to come on and and kind
of take charge of that or um if you're interested slide in a particular area that you want to work on, that'd be fabulous. Or or or you join the commission and if you don't let that go, is it? No, it's just like we haven't been
running with the full commission. for so long. It would be nice to have it filled and we haven't been running with a full staff operation for so long. Pat would like and let's put her forward. Not me.
Why don't we have her? But it it comes and goes. Um but that's up to you. So, um, do you have some stuff that would be specific for her to take over and and
just to get that taken care of? Sounds like Kobe would be dust served to pick and choose what he wants her to do. You should talk to HR about and how to go about it. I don't know. I don't want to get too too into the weeds here because we actually we have a a chance
of being out of here before 9. Oh, I don't want to be here. Don't ice cream factory close to 49. I don't know if the rules are working on projects on the commission's behalf
or it's so someone brought up sidewalks having a another set of eyes, not just two people or one person. Not a commissioner. I know. So that's how do you do that? And and if you're not a voting member, you're not right. kind of a waste of time, but if Kobe can
pick something out, that would be He thinks it's a waste of time. Talk to Dave Crossman about the Kimrino wetland over by the reference. Oh, Dave Crossman. Dave Cross. No, you brought up just a good point though if she goes sidewalks or
she can partake in discussions where it would be. Oh, absolutely. If it's more than us, then it's not just not grow because an associate member can discuss it with you and with you and with you and it's not so well had them before. I don't know. I
mean, I don't know if I missed anything when I stepped out. No, no, they did actually have them before. They would they were doing a lot of different stuff back then. You asked the select board if we can add an associate a non- voting. associate
member. Yeah. And how do we appoint them or do they then at the next meeting we can vote from there or beforehand cuz I we don't have to vote on this but I I I think that No, we have to vote on it but that's the
way to go about putting it together. I mean see what Lor's comment is actually. Yeah. Lory's here. Lori, are you there? She's on. I know. She's think she's gone. probably working right a lot of time. I can't believe the
amount of time my back puts in. That was unbelievable. Hey Lori, you there by chance? No. But let me just say this. That was too easy, wasn't it? One of my biggest surprises about being on the board. Number one,
did you want me? Were you trying to get me? We are. We actually have a question for you. Okay. Sorry about that. I had somebody I was talking to in my office. I'm sorry. Oh. Uh, so Kino is here and she's um
interested in being an associate member. I can't hear you. I I can't. She's not hearing you. I know. I I can't hear. I heard that. I heard you now.
I heard you now. So speak later. Speak slowly. Kim Gino is here and she would like to discuss with us about uh becoming an associate conservation member. It is
something they have done in the past. I did she put in an application form or volunteer form? I think Sabrina told me about that guy. Um, I asked her to look up the charter to see if that position was there because the latest charter is
what was approved by the attorney general and is now what we go by. So, if there's a delineation in the charter of what the different positions are, that's what you have. But you have
um I think you have two vacancies now for We do, but she doesn't want to commit to what be completely on. She'd like to volunteer and just be a non voting member. Okay. Well, so an associate member,
let's just take an example of a planning board one, that associate member can um meet a quorum. they can make the quorum if there's if the somebody is missing on the board or you don't have a
quorum of the five in your case I think you have seven right yeah but we only have five currently five current yeah so my recommendation would be is that she come on as a member knowing
that she can't make every meeting okay but she certainly would at least be able to fill in for somebody or when you know you're going to be short, you can contact her and it's just a way for her to ease into it. You know, you got to start selling.
I just I don't think that that associate per se word is available for conservation. Okay. You could check the charter. But you said Serena was going to check the charter. Yeah, it should be it should be
delineated in the charter. Okay. And if you don't see that associate position there in in the outline, then it's not available. Okay. We would be happy to appoint you as a member and you can try it and see if you like
it. But that would be Would you grill me at a celebrity meeting though? But as a as a commissioner, you would be kind of relaxed position. In other words, if you can make the meeting, great. Can't make it right. I understand. But it's hard to
materially participate in a discussion or hearing if you haven't correct all the correct but we're just trying for the associate project with for Kobe that would be probably good for Kobe
you know. Okay. Thank you Lori. Okay. All right. Good luck. Um, looks like Did I say something? Beep in this. Yes. So,
uh, now you said you were the chair years ago. I, yeah, I got on the board back in the Dave Schaffer days. Okay. Well, anybody knows Dave Schaper? That would
have been back with um, Jack. All right. So I was I was a member and after I was on for like four or five years they said you I didn't sign up for any you can't keep doing that. So they made me vice chair. Well and then after that they made me
chair I had that same experience after a year. My biggest my biggest surprise was how little I actually do. I go on site visits which I really enjoy. Maybe
we need to turn the heat up here with him. Stop the secrets. And boldly sends, you know, things uh that we check out before we come to the meetings. May maybe the '9s were just different times, but
it's a reflection of the fact. It's a reflection of the fact I think I think things are a little different today. The commissioner, it was a lot. It's a reflection. We're trying to work. We don't have any golf courses or any big stuff or stuff
that's, you know, controversial stuff going on. It's been a little Well, the reason that I have as little as I do and I don't think that I'm sort of a slacker. I just do what
I'm supposed to do is because James and Colby does so much of the work, too. They're No. No. I I had to step by. No, I've had to step back and you know other people have stepped up. Mike has Jimmy has
so in terms of the workload and during the winter we only meet once a a month anyway, right? That's Christmas and Thanksgiving and it's twice. So, but it's it's it's not I I don't find it burdensome and it's enjoyable. So, I
don't know. If you're not the chair, if you're not or Colby, then it's uh it's very doable. Fair point. Yeah. But you decide. How about I will I will mold that over,
but we'll still check it. Yeah. And the other thing is that you This was 25 years agoish. Sure. There were people 15 years old be on the commission back then. Oh. Oh, Mike. That was smooth, Mike.
That is. So, you want to help? Mike joined us. She was probably 20. Yeah. Mike joined us. Mike, we were trying to figure out how to stabilize the slope at his house on Vinton. That's how we got him. And his poor wife was trying to get
these trees taken down so they could take down this house. And why don't we just grass before we take the trees down? It was angles singing. I was like, "Perfect. How about you join?" What big controversies were you guys
dealing with in the 90s? This is a recorded line. Memory lane. Maybe don't want to get into it right now. No. Oh, I just remember that cuz that's when my mother and father on the commission zoning planning and they were being sued
park crew. That was a huge lawsuit. Boston lawyers and everything. Yeah, I'm sure that Hey, Jim. I don't go that far back. Yeah, this is my truck and take a couple more of them.
But I remember John mentioning some of the good what was going on. Kevin's going to leave you feeling well. Excuse myself from the meeting. Thank you. Now that everybody's shared his penis, I hope it's not I hope my allergy isn't
contagious. Tomorrow we have a better answer for you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. No, I'd like to I don't want to, you know, it's hot. It's, you know, fresh in our minds. Let's
Yeah. And then and when you find out um get a hold of him and let her know what Yeah. And then you can think about it more. Um but doesn't really know all the regulations have changed. I mean there's a
I did I did look at your boiler plate order. We did a good job. Right. Right. No, Michelle Cannon. I remember Michelle was just on the tail end when I started
your bunny getting new bylaws for Y and she's uh since passed away too. Yep. She was a firecracker, but that's Jack was the chairman. Darren
Chapman, Leslie, we had a great feel like I pretty much span Dave Schiffer to Yeah, I because I go that back just before I started, Dave was gone. Wow.
Um so it be great if you could join us and but I understand um time constraints and career constraints and play constraints but football practices endless
football practices. So you just kind of going through a career change more time on the farm. Um, no. I just I was employed full-time and I got laid off. They're downsizing. They've been downsizing since last year. So,
I was part of the last wave last month and they So, I thought I thought, well, maybe it's a chance to do something a little more meaningful. Yeah. Just occupy it for a little while. It's been working for, you know,
some rich stick a line in their pockets. And I I recognize um how how different the staffing is in this building. It is you guys are doing a herculean job. We uh
we were running for a while with nobody in the office. Yeah. You know, it it just Yeah. and I was working out of still am working out of town so I can't right
my time commitments dropped so but just as an example if there was something you might have wanted to look at if an associate member exists and they could look at it and yeah you trust that person well you trust yeah
as needed we'll try to figure it out and yeah see what the chatter says as far as like Lor's see if we can do it if not commissioner and you don't have to vote if you don't
want to do it it's less about the voting and more about the I would want to make sure I could do it right and I know that hearings take multiple meetings sometimes it can we did really well when we had
our last land use coordinator was trying to really Yeah, just really try to we didn't put anything on the agenda until it was complete. Yeah, it sounds like you need you need a lesson on D to get their documentation. Uh no, they're
they just they just recently got filled that position, the circuit writer. So the new girl has started. She Yeah, that's that's who sent that comment of the board of health cuz that didn't Yeah, cuz that didn't seem like her the regular girls
commenting. That didn't make Where's that coming from? To me, it didn't make sense. It was kind of just We're not shooting from the hip. That's overlap. We We can't right. We try to stay our lane. I sit there. You talk about storm water
stuff and I I'm so traumatized of being yelled at that storm water is not our jurisdiction that I know better. How was it jurisdiction? No, I know that. I um
I imagine just so you know. I know. No, it had nothing to do with you're doing what you're supposed to do. It's just And I'm with Jim. I don't know why it's not ours. If you think about it, go from there. But yeah,
I won't be long. You've done a good job being the solo girl, too, though. I got to give you credit. Thanks, guys. Thank you for taking the time to get in, too. Yeah. Thanks, Kim. But still,
yeah, they're of that he's of that age of uh where I can be gone for a little bit. Yeah, but they also get themselves into trouble. Well, we've been good so far. That's good. Have a great night. But we just you just do it in like
increments, you know, a little bit now, but they only basic. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Bye. Bye, Kim. Thank you. Um, so now we know that changed.
No, it'd be great to find out associate member if that works, right? Like Lori said, see what the new, you know, upto-date charter renders us in verbiage. And Col's right there. There's stuff about checking conservation properties
like when you found two TVs. And border health does have money in the coffers. They did have money. They don't anymore. What do you mean? They get money. Every time I bring stuff down there to recycle, they make me pay him for it. It's got to be money somewhere.
They had a line item for um illegal dump. Yeah. Is that that's every how much more can they pull the better? So, but never mind Kobe. Board of Health
doesn't have any more money for that anymore. Talk to Jim. The Jim. Yeah. Yeah. When you do, remind him that he needs to do a certificate of compliance for his bridge. Okay. And to pick up the TVs if he wants a
certificate of compliance for the bridge. Isn't that the way it was supposed to work? Uh, moving on. Um Michelle Zolinka, yes, a regional energy manager with the Northern Middle Sex Council of
Governments is assisting the towns energy committee with climate action plan. Um they have completed a greenhouse gas inventory of the town and are now in the process of outreach and education of residents of the town.
Michelle uh wants to discuss opportunities for collaboration not only through these outreach opportunities but also through the cap planning process. So why don't you come sit with us at the table? Thank you. Welcome.
Yeah. So um as you mentioned I'm uh the regional energy manager with the Northern Sex Council of Governments. Um I was hired in February and my position is grant funded through a um energy conservation or sorry energy efficiency
and conservation block grant. Um so I understand towns is technically part of the um Montichus regional planning agency. Um so Pepil, the town of Pepil, they their climate change committee um kind
of they were in uh a leader in procuring this grant. So they invited towns in um onto the grant and um one of the projects that I'm working on is this um climate action plan. So I see you guys. I know the energy committee is um there
are only two members currently. So um I definitely see um opportunities for collaboration in the future. Um it still is kind of I would say the beginning process, but um one thing um I think
maybe you might be able to suggest or assist with is kind of residential outreach um educational opportunities. Um I have a public workshop planned for July 31st at the um towns and library.
Now are you going to all the commissions with this discussion? No. um just cultivation because it relates to conserving electricity and yeah so I saw you guys kind of as a um
maybe a potential um way of collaboration um I think the you know conservation and um incorporating you know agricultural natural lands definitely is some overlap with with that and that's also sort of part of the
climate action plan as well. Um, so, so are you looking for us to reduce our footprint of electricity, oils, and time? It's a little bit more connecting with the community, connecting with the community. Um, kind
of assistance with that. Um, so I've went through the library. I'm not laughing at you. I were laughing. I'm just laughing because we tried so hard to like reach community outreach and Yeah. Right. And it's like, how's that work? we just just discussed with Ken, it's
been pretty difficult to be able to have a manh hour or um I mean we're minimally staffed. We're lucky to have him right now. So I mean I get we should do everything
under our powers in conservation to do solar, doing wind, doing whatever we can. Can I I think backtracking. So you just completed the greenhouse gas inventory. What did that consist of? What were the
results or the data you collected and what does that do for us now or in the future? So for um part of the climate action plans is getting that greenhouse gas inventory data. Um essentially it it's shows you know highest emission rates
and for most towns it's going to be buildings and transportation. um waste is included as well. Um but it's a a small percentage. Um so but also part of the plan is typically
there's a section related to natural and working lands. Um, so that that's kind of where I I see this this connection and um you know if meaning we have open land we should put solar fields in or we have open land.
What maybe maybe the state will trade some land. I I just you you what? No, like we have we have no footprint as far as our the amount of gas we release from
our our municipal buildings. I mean, this is a country government. It's very small. So, I don't know where you're so focus. What kind of data did you collect? Yeah. And then how much impact could it possibly be on what we're doing in towns and
it Yeah, it is. Townsen is a very small impact when you look at it regionally. Um again, it's just part of part of the process and um are you going to give us ways to save money on our our electric bills,
our lighting, our transportation? What what is what is your goal with us? It comes off like this. Don't take it personally. No, no, no. I that's what I'm warning. I don't I'm just confused as to what is it you're presenting? What are
you bringing forward and what can we do? Well, we has looks like he has something. Go ahead. No, I'll let you speak. So, I I what I'm trying the first um goal is getting more um assistance
potentially with outreach. Um, part of the process is also getting residential input on ways that the town can help reduce emissions, um, promote energy efficiency, things like that. Um, so
that's sort of the the main goal for this meeting tonight is if you have any um ideas or are willing to kind of maybe help with this this public outreach um for for the event.
So what's the title of the event? What's the sort of broad outline of it? You're just going to talk about the research that's been done. Are you talking about the event at the library? Yeah. Right. On it's at um 5:30 July 31st. 5:30 the library.
Yes. And I have flyers as well. Um but it's so the plan is going to um educate residents on um climate change. Start with the basics. Um explain the climate action plan process. Um and then there's
going to be a sort of I we call it a gallery walk of um measures initial measures that the town can take to reduce greenhouse gas emissions um like trucks that are so smoky when they Exactly.
I mean and there's several that come through the town or the motorcycles and especially if you get behind one of those trucks and you're got the windows down you know they should be polluting like that. Why aren't the police stopping them? I don't understand.
And yes, transportation is like one of the big sectors for for towns in um and that is part of the the greenhouse gas inventory that sort of identifies that sector. Um so that's sort of what the uh main goal of the event is to
first educate residents and then um kind of get their initial input on what matters to them and and then also provide opportunities for them to kind of share their ideas as well. You mentioned Pepro is has kind of
spearheaded the this program. What have they done or what have they utilized? Great question. Grants and programs What have they done in their town? So, in their town, I mean, they're also a green community as well. So, they um they get the the green community grants to apply for those.
The designation of it the I'm sorry, that's a designation. Yes. So, Townsen is also a green community. I was going to say I think we're a green community. We're open for all of but no different than as far as what we put into it and and whatnot.
Okay. So what has done or how they utilize the grants and the funding opportunities? So for their project they are interested in um assistance with identifying decarbonization measures um that they
can implement into their capital plan decarbonizing the pepper area. Hold on. So what's an example of that for us farmers? Oh, so for for example, a great way to put it like
like looking at energy audits performed on their municipal buildings. Um identifying opportunities where they can install for example heat pumps. Um just electrifying old equipment um equipment that's failing. Um like prioritizing and
and identifying those those measures. I just see it as as a small town of this size. Our footprint is very small compared to other towns, other cities, other No. So, here's an example, a real world
example. These windows, these windows suck. It's either hot in here or it's cold in here. We come to meetings and you can feel the wind. So, we should go for an energy grant for the windows to
Well, I don't want to get I get confused with that with me. But yeah, right. So did everyone else. But that that's an example. Yeah. You know, what are things that small things that can be done that we can do? What is going on at the town bar? Are they clean diesel or
trucks? Yeah, they're all I think we're pretty final emissions. Yeah. Yeah. Um, now has purple had meetings, you know, for the town people to come in and how
successful was that? That's a great question. Like could you just explain that a little? Well, like you're saying now July 31st you're going to invite people to come in. Is Peril already done that? So, no. Peril's there. when uh Peril
submitted the grant and invited Towns and it's um Peril, Townsen, Littleton and Dunstable, they came on to this grant and they their town administrators or the their respective committees submitted projects that they would like
help with. Um, so Pepper's project because it's a little less like public related um and kind of more focused on their municipal buildings. There has not been like a public engagement um opportunity for for petrol.
But you're going to do that for towns and but yet sounds like it's been involved in this town's project. It's a climate action plan. to reduce what I I don't I I know we're going in
circles here and it's it's our own fault because we're just us. Um cuz I'm having a tough time understanding it, too. I'm trying to figure out where we would be in in some areas in this town where
we losing that much energy, that much electricity. Where is our be? I mean, I look at the high school, I look at the fire station, I look at the library, but all of these entities I'm very much up to date. Yes and no.
You know what I'm saying? But I, you know, the school, the high school is brand new. Five stations, all three of them are brand new. Let's look at on and on. Spalding was all just retrofitted and that's all up 100% to a new boiler.
So I think we're minimal on what unless what would you target as our biggest energy I mean cruisers how many cruisers should note too the climate action plan it's not just focused on municipal buildings it's kind of more townwide
right so in other words industry also would be inclusive to that in other words well residential too so you look at someone with with a parcel of land that they want to say put a solar field on it's as an example, but very few places in
town have three-phase power. We do on West Mor Road now that they put solar in. Um, and that's what brought three-phase in along with actually was the pumping station which worked out well.
or something. So does it consider like the entire like just carbon as a system like all the outputs from vehicles and what does it deal with things on the other end like sequestering the carbon in some way?
Yes. So um you know an important part is also you know carbon sequestration preserving wetlands um opportunities like that as well. Um so it's it's the main kind of emissions are going to be
transportation um and then residential and commercial and industrial buildings. Um but then there is the component of you know like I said the carbon sequestration aspect right and agriculture does fall into that too
in a lot of ways. Well, yeah, you can sell carbon credits. Mhm. Carbon credits. Right. Right. But at the same time, the amount of diesel being consumed on a farm, the amount of well methane that could be released from on and on it goes.
So I I think and correct me if I'm wrong here. So we um consider are considering like the direction and which uh in which some of our property should go. We've discussed u doing some timber events on properties, right?
I think we could use some more direction or more additional info um that could fall under the realm of the climate action plan. Um is that or does it fall are you asking or does it fall under it?
That's a question really. Is is that something where the climate action plan could offer some advice as to what we should do with that? And do you have examples that you could I could follow up with some examples of like actual other plans that towns have
created as well? Um I think that would be a real because we're kind of stuck. I am anyway. I don't see No, I am too. I mean where we're in a position where we could point out large amounts of electrical misuse or
I mean every area is going to have what are we specifically looking for? What can we specifically target? You know um would it be possible for you to come back in the next meeting? We'll put it under work session and you can bring a couple examples that will help us.
Mike's been quiet this whole time though and I wonder if he's well secrets that he should share his there's no question we as a society we as a town there's a lot of inefficiency we've got some new things that you know and if we can get people interested and
and involved that's where I see the big problem is is the outreach part I don't know exactly what we can do to reach out to get more people involved
Um, I went to the the meeting for the um they did a survey of all the culverts and they had a meeting at the at the library and uh very few people showed up and I don't know, you know, so beat the
bushes to get people out if you can get people out. It's tough. That's the big challenge. I think I think you guys are gonna have a It's not just that. So, as an example, posting things on Facebook is free and
all. You're not on Facebook. What do you mean? I'm always on Facebook and on my computer constantly. I recently stepped off like, so I have no I kind of feel like I live in a black hole now. But why would you feel that? I don't even know how to turn on my computer. I don't
even know how it works. How do you get the word out in a different setting that doesn't rely purely on social media? I know. Newspaper. Yeah, a newspaper. I mean, town the town electric signs.
That's what I was thinking of because I mean it would be great if every town had a newspaper. I don't I'm not on Facebook. I never will be on Facebook. I boycott it. I hate the guy who is making profits off of people. Told you he's just like me.
And um but you miss everything. We've started to become more we go to the town meetings now. We try to get a little bit more informed. Trying to get informed about what's going on is tough if if you're not on social
media. And the only way to do it is like you said towns and come in meetings. When every town had its own little newspaper then you could keep up to date. Unfortunately they we used to have the towns and towns. It was a nice little paper. Used to enjoy. It was nice. It would you know have a
little weather section tell everybody who got arrested this week in towns and it was great. But the way to get people involved in it, it's like Mike is saying, it's it's a lot of this has to do with involvement. The increase of involvement
is going to give you results. I like I said, I'm trying to pick apart what where we're missing. Well, but when it hits them in the pocket is when you'll get them. Why is this man coming in to put solar? Cuz his electric bill is so high. You
know, these are the things. That's a 20 kowatt system. That's a big system. That's a big system. Twice my size. Yeah. Twice mine, too. Yeah. Now, I assume over twice the mine. He did not buy the panels. He He's having them install them. Oh, yeah. No, they install do the end.
Either they buy them. You either purchase them or lease them, right? But that is a big system for for two people. lot of lot of is going to take care of everything. He's going to be pushing some money down
the down the pike and making some I think for public outreach I think getting a hold of the town admin and asking to utilize the town electric signs that they put out as needed. Yeah. How many are there? Just that one. Where's the other one? Two.
Could be at the pit. I don't no idea. I think the town B has one. Police department has one and the also has one. Yeah. There's a smaller one. Yeah, we can get some of those. But what are we going to say? But I would What do you want us to advertise on it? What would be the verbiage?
Yeah, that's right. My my question meeting you have a flyer. Yeah, I have um library. I did the live library, too. Yeah. Well, no, I'm saying to to write on the sign. So, there's Yeah. Um but I I think for us as a a group um or commission
having an example of what you what other towns have done um for the climate action plans um and what it includes and what it outlines and the details because yeah I can definitely
we need more information to be if we're not better informed how are we going to be able to extend it everybody what this program really represents. And I know our next meeting is 23rd, but it gives you, you know, eight days before her actual meeting and
um eight days, two weeks, right? One for her library. Have you spoken with a grant administrator? I'm sorry. Have you spoken with a grant administrator at all? Is that Kieran? Yes, I I did get in
contact with him. Um I still have to follow up on um uh like with him on that. Um he mentioned that there was a there's like a municipal vulnerability preparedness. Yeah, we have we have it on repeat. Yeah. Um that they
municipal vulnerability preparedness plan something they did during co for example that's where the covert grants are coming from. We we started the whole co thing
probably 20 years ago. It some meeting I guess I went to that was put on by I don't remember but I adopted the West Meadow Road culverts. That's where I buck Jimmy every other year about making
sure he keeps them all clean. So um so who who would you contact about the uh electric science? I I think you have to get permission from the staff board to do it. So get talk to the town admin or Selene um Sabrina
Sabrina the um she would be able give you the form that you need. Yeah. So, and I'm so I'm working with the energy committee more directly. Um, but I'm also working with um Nelson, town administrator as well. So,
um he's kind of the I guess leader of um he's the one in the middle of it, right? On the top of the heap, so yeah. And but the select board gets to say um and you use the sign for this and it's for a town thing. So they they
really shouldn't have a bomb, but putting those out, you know, on the green and like Cherry Hill, those are the best places where where they I'm not going to get rapid in the details. Yeah, I can I can reach out to as as a start and and see. Um but yeah, no,
thank you for that idea. They um didn't know that was a option. And also GCAM. True. True. They can they you know they can take that flyer and post it on the on access. Okay.
Um before we have no idea that's Davei or Dave Hotley could actually answer the question Dave's the guy that does yeah. Um okay let's So those are things you're going to
follow up with uh Sabrina or Nelson. Nelson. Yeah. Yeah. To get the signs. Sabrina's been helping with like posting to um town website and yeah, you know, that sort of stuff. So, so other than that, we really don't have any crazy any like secret. We've not
been able to tap anything that is in that. Yeah, I' I've heard that similar from like the energy committee as well. But, um how many other towns are you working with? Uh three other ones which you know would you say Dunstable
Dun Littleton and Town and Pepper and Townson? Yeah. Okay. Are we responding any differently than they have? No, I responded pretty quickly to your email. Oh yeah. No, that was very quick. Thank you. So have you
other times I don't respond quickly right? We try. Have you had this meeting in a little? Yes. Little um their sustainability committee um is very active. Um so did you sit with Sarah Underwood for
the um Littleton conservation? Uh no, not yet. Um I'm working with their sustainability committee for um for like the they're they're also doing a climate action plan. She's been on the board a long time. She's shot.
Was there a good turnout maybe? Uh there's this plan for August. So it hasn't happened yet. Um but I'm kind of using similar avenues. Um they also mentioned the um
like town uh like electronic boards as well and senior center um hosting flyers, library um just places like that. And the sustainability committee, is that a town committee or a separate?
It's a town committee. Yep. Do we have one? We can't even get volunteers to fill the energy committee. Conservation Commission. I was just going to say we Yeah, we're like we have three select the first time we have an hour on
supposed to be getting two more. So why we're going to go to a five member? town meeting. I miss one and look what happens. I I move my seat position and look what happens.
I'm very happy. Look what my I'm very happy it's going to a five. You have no idea. Is that better for you as far as the amount of time three people are putting in?
Um I don't think it's just that. I think it's that we can't talk to each other at all. Whereas if there's a five member, you can always talk to at least one another one all the time, right? Like when I
talk about transparency, right? I asked her was today and you Jimmy, we would have a quarum she was here. I'm like, that's right. Y yeah. It's very difficult and it's also
difficult for staff because Nelson has to talk to each one of us separately. Sabrina has to talk to each one of us separately. It it is um it's a real nightmare honestly. Right.
Well, I know you time and way and there's there's a lot of time you have to put in because you need to everybody needs something in every single department you know and oh by the
way we are going to have a training um the plan is sometime in August for everyone like open meeting law violations, public records requests and um we're going to have town council
and the town will be there to, you know, kind of give us all a little guidance in which way we should be going. Heck, trying to get everybody on the same page. Let's put it that way because you still have who don't have staff and they
end up um you know, innocently end up doing things that are not allowed. So anyway, I just thought I'd throw my two cents worth in there. So why don't you guys run?
No. Maybe. Um, yeah. Please keep me up to speed on any conversations you have energy committer. Yeah. Yeah. And and I'll follow up with I can maybe send
you some examples. Um I'm sorry. Okay. Unfortunately, I mean, I would love to hear what you have to say, but I won't be here to you. Um, so whatever you send, you send to
disseminated when you're going on vacation. Uh, you're going on vacation. Mine has Alzheimer's going down fast. I'll say goodbye. I know.
Thank you. We're gonna keep going. You're not gonna make it. Yeah. Pleasure being here. Thank you. Oh, no worries. No, I mean the candies got me too.
Believe me, I would have been gone by. Oh, I gotta go Kevin. Um 4.2 2025 protecting grant acceptance $16,000. We just got we just up 16,000 more from
you start. So in other words, so like I said too, that we can get that increased. So it's going to be better to do as soon as possible before other organizations
ask for money. So it is it isn't just in conservation's coffers. No, it is available to other entities in town. Right. I thought this is what I thought.
No, we have an account. Remember how we surveyed those properties last year? We used up we have to, right? We got another $16,000 to do two more properties. So, we'll be calling us and
always three bids. Always three bids. But, all right. Do we know what properties we want to survey? Um, we told we had a list of properties. Yeah. So, it's the Basil properties that are on paper.
Yeah. Okay. Okay. We go back and that's once again through the Nashville wild and scenic. That's not the river wershed like that. But they work right out of um
to do this whatever survey company does get us. I know you have to be No, I know. Did he find me? No, I'm kidding. No kidding. David. Um,
you know what? Yeah. Um, all right. So, who does the survey? Think about it. I want to keep going. I'll remember just as I walk out the door. So, congratul on on that.
That's how we're going to release our speed. Um 4.3 power cutting plan roads. And this is the final. This is just report
but Daniel. I know I I just Yeah. No, they did during the time frame. Um, what is it? I mean we would be involved in the resial area. So
surveyors. Yeah. conferences. I'll take Kevin's discussion at the next meeting. You don't have anything. I'm sure there is, but I think it is.
Hold on. What's up? Next meeting is July 23rd, 2025. Okay, there's a chance that they might not. When was the last time to follow up on this? 10:00.
Yep. I have cowb. All right. Thank you, Lori.