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There we go. Bingo. >> Is that it? >> Can you hear us, Dave? >> Yes. Uh, thank you. Yes. Thank you. >> No. No. Thank you. >> Yeah. Okay. I'll start again. So, I'd like to um call the meeting to order of the Towns and Conservation Commission for

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July 8th, 2026 at 7:04. And we need a roll call. >> James Dean, present. >> Sandra Lord, present. Brian Pinkerton present. My card said present.

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>> Um you are aware that Abigail was not sworn in. >> Yeah. >> But I felt it okay for her to be able to stay with the meeting so she stays current and everything. >> Fine with me. >> Is it okay if she sits? >> Sure. Please.

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>> Yeah. Okay. James usually asks me to um lead the pledge of allegiance and I will continue to do that. [clears throat and cough] >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Uh this uh meeting is being recorded. Is there anyone else recording? >> No. Uh chairman does not have any additions or deletions

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or a chair's report. Uh let's take a few minutes and read the minutes of May 13. [laughter] We can take a vote on that. >> [clears throat] >> Is there another copy? Am I not seeing

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the minutes? >> Meet for the 12th annual meeting. That's it. >> There's only one meeting. >> Yeah. >> Is that a copy of tonight's agenda? >> Oh, the is that the meeting? >> No, this is All right. Thanks, Al.

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>> Okay, >> you got it. See, that's why we need her as even though she's But that's >> No, that's today's agenda, not the meeting, >> right? [laughter] >> [clears throat]

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>> This is Adam's 16. [laughter] >> [laughter] [clears throat] [snorts] [laughter] >> Is everyone all set? >> Okay. Uh, I'd like to make a motion to um

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um >> approve approve >> approve the minutes uh of Wednesday conserv and conservation commission of Wednesday May 3rd 2026. We have a second >> May 13th. May 13th.

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>> May 13th. What did I say? >> Oh, >> second. >> That's the old dyslexia. >> Uh, do I have a second? >> Yes. >> Okay. Jimmy, discussion. Roll call. Sorry. Jimmy.

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>> James. Yes. >> Cab. Yes. >> Brian. Yes. Mike Pot says yes. Test the ball. Okay. And next is the agent reports

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and then uh that being zero road that we did a month ago for the extension. The OC has to that meeting has to be reopened at the next meeting with

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discussion with the applicant LBC. [clears throat] It was not properly adverted and the above were not. So we will be opening that next >> meaning that the none of the abutas were

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in notice correct >> given green cards as to the conservation meeting. What was the last statement >> that none of the above were notified by conservation for the sitewalk or the meeting? Correct.

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>> Well, there they get they get informed by the not by the conservation commission. But yes, >> but the conservation commission has to verify that they were notified through the green cards or the information you get >> certificate of mailing

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>> certificate of mailing through the computer system. because now the clerk does not see the green cards anymore. >> Uh, no. It's normally done by the certificate of mailing. That has become the new norm.

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>> Where did the inadequacy come from? >> I'm sorry. >> Where did the inadequacy come from? Why were they not notified? What happened? The applicant misunderstood the bylaw for notifying the buyers.

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It's their responsibility. It's our responsibility to >> verify such >> verify my mistake. So um [clears throat] that is the only thing uh I have

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there is no IVRs or building last two weeks. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um and appointments 2.1 72 Main Street administrative

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authorization request 3 minutes early. Uh the Towns and Historical Society requests permission to perform following activities. Remove exotic invasive plants using hand tools. Place a light layer of straw over seated

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areas. cut invasive plants with a chainsaw. Dig up, divide and replant native tubers. And um you Frank, you're going to have discussion. Okay. >> Thank you. My name is Frank McFarland

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from Dillis Roy here on behalf of the applicant. [clears throat] um in this case would be Towns and Historic Society and Swanook Greenways in partnership with um with the uh the Indigenous Landscape Initiative which

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swim is a representative. Um what those groups are looking to do is a um an ecological restoration and stewardship community day um in in the area behind

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72 Main Street through 80 Main Street on um Towns and Historic Society properties and Swanagook Greenway uh Spanuk Rail Trail Pro property. Um the event as I said is is a partnership between the

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historic society greenways and the indigenous landscape initiatives. Um all the proposed activities would occur within the 100 foot, 50 foot and 35 ft buffer zones to Harbor Pond itself. Uh right now the event is tentatively

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scheduled for August 30th, 2026 pending authorization from the um pending this administrative approval request in front of the commission. Um as was said in the um in the meeting not notice uh the

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following activities are proposed for the event. >> Okay. >> Uh removal of exotic invasive plants using hand tools uh which will will include chainsaws. Uh removal of poison ivy using hand tools. Uh the transplanting of native plants in the

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area. Uh planting of native seeds. the collection of native seeds for future propagation. Uh the gathering foraging of uh edible and/or medicinal plants. Uh the tip layering of blackberry canes which I understand is basically bending

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them over so that the tips go back into the ground. Um as we said digging up, dividing and replanting native tubers. um installing flagging to mark the areas of seating as well as um individual

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plants that they would like to monitor. Um and as I said, placing a light layer of straws over any seated disturbed area so there's no erosion. Um the exposed soil will be covered with straw at the

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end of the event. Um any vegetation that is removed will be taken um offsite and burned um outside of the jurisdiction of the conservation commission. I I understand

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that um a local farmer has volunteered to do that. I didn't get a name in our correspondence. Did you do you have the name of who was going to do that or >> He's a local person. >> Local. Yeah. >> Aware of dealing with invasives. Oh,

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yep. That that's my understanding as well. I just didn't didn't get a name to include in my documentation. Um, this event would not result in an all alteration as defined by Mass D and the towns and wetlands bylaw. Uh, Mass D

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Weapon Protection Act defines alter as the change of any area subject to protection under Mass General Law section uh 131 section 40. Um, examples that Mass D gives for alteration includes the changing of pre-existing

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drainage characteristics, um, impacts to the water level or water table, um, destruction of vegetation, which I'm going to come back to, [clears throat] and the changing of water temperature or biological oxygen demand and any other physical, biological, or chemical

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characteristics of of the receiving water. So most of those it's fairly ob obvious they wouldn't be in impacted. Now getting back to the destruction of vegetation um the MACC handbook provides f further

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guidance on what uh with regard to the destruction of vegetation. Um that guidance says and I quote, "Cutting down trees, bulldozing top soil, driving heavy equipment through shrubs, installing decks or boardwalks over

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vegetation so that light can't reach plants, uh destroying dune grass through trail formations. Um this definition of alter permits conservation commissions to prevent cutting of trees on land subject to re regulation. Um,

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and this provision was included in the regulations in response to the problem that destructive site collaboration frequently occurred before applicants sought permits to dredge or fill in or near wetlands or to conduct activities in the buffer zone. So specifically um

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it's saying that the the MACCC guide guidance to conservation commission is saying alter in general with respect to destruction of vegetation would be site prep for future work if you were

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bulldozing if you were leaving exposed soil. So going in and using hand tools to remove invasive vegetation doesn't rise to to to that that standard. Um I do want to note that the um weather

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protection act specifically notes the planting of native species is exempt but they don't have anything specific in there for invasive removal unfortunately.

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No suggestions at all. >> They [clears throat] don't present any suggestions any >> not in favorable plan >> not as an exempt activity. They do talk about vista pruning. Okay. >> But that's kind of the only >> um exempt uh activity that's

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specifically called called out. uh towns and wetland bylaw definition 138-7A4F uh defines alter as the significant destruction of plant life [clears throat] including clear cutting but not including selective cutting uh which might result in environmental

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damage to the land or any part thereof subject to this by bylaw. So under towns and wetland bylaw selective cutting would not be altered and would therefore be exempt. What was the section on that?

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Um, yeah. 138-7 A4F. Um, and that's that's that that's what the uh the groups are look looking to do out there. They're looking for an an administrative approval

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um from the Town of Towns and Conservation Commission to have a stewardship day, specific limited activity, one day of work, hand tools.

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Um, they're not they're not looking to cut down trees of any significant size, no stumping. If there's anything else you want to add, go for >> Okay. Um, so they're not looking for permission to cut down any any trees of

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significant size. No stumping of of any word any type. No heavy machinery. Nothing like that. It's boots on the ground with hand tools. >> Yeah. I just wanted to add two quick things. Um one is when you mentioned

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putting the straw over areas. >> Um I I wouldn't say that we would want to cover all exposed soil with straw. The straw was if we're seeding and we're it's an area that we're worried the seeds would get washed down, we would put straw. Um, but you want to we we're

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not expecting a lot of exposed soil, but also exposed soil could be important for the ecology to develop. So, we wouldn't want to just promise that we're going to straw all of it. Um, and the other thing I wanted to mention is that we would like to ask for um, permission not just

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for the date of August 30th, but also sort of for some time around that. Um, and I can explain kind of why we would want permission for more days than just August 30th. Should I explain that? Okay. Um, so first because I would very

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much like we're going to have people out to come help working on this. um is the idea. And I would like to be able to go in ahead of time and remove some poison ivy from the areas um that people are going to be working. Um and that I don't

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want to have to do on the same day as the event. We want to do that to have permission to do that too long earlier. Um also because um we would want to be able to go in ahead of time and flag um particular vegetation. So, one of the

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items on our list is flagging. And if we're flagging it for people to be aware of um so that they avoid it when they're removing things or to flag off areas for work or because there are some really important plants that we've been finding

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in there and when I go in there, I would really like to just be able to flag them rather than have to wait for August 30th to mark them. Um, >> so I would say specifically, not not to jump in, but that that kind of flagging that would be an an exempt that

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activity. Uh, like we can go in and hang flags for wetland delineation without getting per permission from the commission ahead of time. We can go in and flag trees that we want to identify. So, um, so that that shouldn't be any

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kind of kind of an issue. But I I I do agree with um making sure that this permission allows for that preemptive poison ivy clearing because that's always that's always best done by experts and not not volunteers. >> And I assume you want to get some of the

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poison ivy out of there so none of the guests leave itching possibly. >> But I'm hoping that there is >> because you know a lot of them will not identify with the shiny three leaves and my oh >> is this poison? Yeah. >> I would like I would like for at this

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event for us to make sure everybody leaves there knowing how to recognize poison ivy but not the hard way. >> Yep. And and wanting to come back >> and wanting to come back to help without calamine lotion. That's I like it. >> There are other reasons but I could I don't

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>> So even though roughly 50% of people can't get it. I've never had it. >> How are you going to remove it? Do you get it? Um, so my intention was to go in there the way I've been taught to remove poison ivy where you basically either glove up or hold a bag or both.

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Somebody, the person who first taught me about this said said do it the way the way you pick up after your dog when it's on a walk. Um, you just kind of take it with a bag. Um, and sort of I mean I've been and you know you you wash up very

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well afterwards. Um, I believe I can react to the stuff and I'm looking forward to being very careful and bringing soap and water along with me. >> Okay. [clears throat] And it's controversial whether or not um, uh,

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burning poison ivy actually releases, you know, >> I I do want to be very specific. We are not looking to burn on these through through this administrative um, approval request. Let's let make

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something very clear. You do not burn poison ivy under any condition. Have you seen somebody that has inhaled poison ivy and what it looks like? How long they can be in the hospital for that? >> I mean, >> you will not you will make sure that has

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been separated and not brought anywhere near any incinerating. >> We should make note tremendously. Absolutely. >> Hopefully, it will all be out, but to make note if anybody finds it, it goes in a different pile. The other thing is it's not an exotic um invasive. It can

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get invasive depending on how the land is cared for, but um it's not a bad thing just to pile it off in the corner in the way that you wouldn't really want to do that with bittersweet or buckorn. >> Um so, you know, poison ivy needs to be and can be just handled differently.

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>> And in note to that, a lot of people like yourself have a different threshold to poison ivy. The oil from the leaf doesn't affect some people. Some people it does greatly. So that's why I appreciate what you're doing by getting

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in there kind of keeping it out of the people's way so they don't get it cuz they will, you know, somebody will go walking right into a pile of it and go, >> we don't want that. >> Is this okay to take? No, we don't put it in bouquets anymore. We kind of banned that, you know. So you

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people can be that's good that you're going to do that. that did you want the other reasons that you were asking for permission beyond just August 30th or is that sufficient? Uh >> when we're having the open house and

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people are going to be coming down there, will you have some examples of what you're going to be doing so when they do go there and they see it, they they get a better comprehension of just what you're clearing, where you're putting the, you know, the whole giving

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them some physical examples of it. Areas that you've cleaned already, areas that you've seated already. Are they going to be able to see that on the open house? >> That's a great question. >> That way they get a little better idea how you going to attack it, what you're

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going to do with it, how it's going to look, etc., etc. >> That's a great >> give the people an idea. >> Pick an area where we pre-re intended to have like, you know, both potentially printed materials and also just like physical materials of like

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this is what bittersweet looks like. this is what but >> that's a that's a great idea because you know what they see there. They're gonna go that bad at home. >> That's actually another reason that I would like to ask to have permission um

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for more than just August 30th so that we can say to people when you see this around on your walks or at home, you know, pull it up. Um >> give them the understanding what to do with it when they pull it up. Make them understand if you do pull it up and you

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just move it over to there. After you pulled it up, it's going to come back, >> right? >> So, educate the people with what what they're looking at, it they'll take it home. I think it's a good thing. I'd love to put a blessing on this. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah.

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>> And yeah. Um, thank you. So this um what I what I I intended for tonight was to be a discussion with the commission as to whether we could apply for the administrative approval which it I believe is something that co

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Colby can sign off on. So I um >> you have it in hand col. >> Excellent. Um yeah. Um so I I had been expecting to kind of apply for it after this but if if this is some something where um you you feel that we need to do

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it then excellent. >> Well it's just true true that even though Kobe has the ability to sign off on this himself we it's better to have this broad discussion and gets all the details worked. >> Yeah. I I like you know I like working

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this all night. >> Yeah. Yeah. So [clears throat] >> um a couple of questions. So last time there was uh we saw the draft of the um [cough and clears throat] project. Okay. And this is specifically

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for the stewardship day. And your question was whether or not um this could extend before and after the stewardship day and be inclusive but not the full-blown

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you know somewhere in between. eventually we'll want to do sort of not eventually but sort of after this season developing this larger project that will also include additional activities that aren't listed in this set um that

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wouldn't necessarily be subject to the administrative approval though some of them might be um but this was kind of specifically the the items that we would want to be able to do this season and um

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therefore kind of um would be before we would do the full that I can't remember the acronym for the the full permit. >> Full permit. Yeah. So given um given the timelines required for a full notice of intent application um you know it has to

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be into in file co Colby several weeks before the meeting. So you have two public note not notices in the paper um as well as the public notice for all the butters which we discussed about earlier

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today. Um we were not going I with with everything on my my plate was not being able to get anything filed to the commission for a notice of intent before a before August 30th. So specifically

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for these these limited activities, I wanted to get this administrative approval in so that we didn't slow down the um kind of the [clears throat] part of the work that isn't really jurisdictional. >> Frank, when did you say that as soon as

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August? What for the NOI? >> No, no, no, no. I I would I I I wouldn't have been able to file a notice of intent in time >> for this work to occur August 30th, >> but I don't think that has any >> No. Well, so in our

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>> We can still approve this tonight. >> This this tonight 100% separate a notice of >> for the full scope >> of what everyone wants to do out out there would be forthcom. Okay. Okay. I

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get it. Yeah, and I don't want to belabor the details, but dig up, divide, and replant native tubers. Um, so the only ones that you would dig up, divide, and replant are plants with tubers or other plants

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as well. >> Um, so >> we do a trans transplant called out transplant of native other plants. So, but please >> Okay. So, I added right. So I at first we identified some native tubers that could really use some digging up,

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dividing and replanting and I can explain that. Um and then um as a separate matter I added and I don't know what version you have there um because I had then when we actually walked the site um a few days ago and added um

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digging up re native plants and then replanting them somewhere else um because I recognized some plants that also could benefit from being moved considering other work that is moved down to the tubers

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needing [clears throat] but then the the transplanting of other ones is um because the of a plan to to um extend a pathway on the rail tracks. And there are some really great plants right next to it that um [clears throat] that could

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really like there are beautiful raspberries and blackberries there that are just going to get smooshed um by that trail. Um and I figured we could dig them up and put them somewhere else. maybe put them where we pull out more invasive bush, we could maybe put a

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blackberry instead and and thereby save those plants and also kind of cover some of the area that we're removing invasives. >> Yeah, sounds good. [laughter] You got it all worked out. Um, question. I got a quick question.

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>> Sure. Um the uh large Norway maple that's there is that going to be targeted in this >> no >> no >> the idea was that that because it's a

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tree removal that would require the full um notice is a 10 >> that's quite big just >> I think we're going to stay away from move moving too many more trees in that area I think >> yeah Not not without permission and discussion.

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>> A great amount of blessing and discussion. >> They would only be the Norway maples. >> I I get it. >> Okay. >> But that that that is a specific item that would be under the future filing of a notice of

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>> Okay. Wanted to make sure. So even though it seems that Colby can do this himself, I I just like and and we I don't think we need to vote, but just a sense of what the commissioners feel. >> We will >> we will

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meeting item. >> Okay, we will need to vote. Okay, any comments? The the days extra. Is there a limit we're going to place on that or is it just the day before, the day of, the day

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after? >> Um, so I would like to have flexibility on when we go in um to do the the activities for a couple reasons. Um, one

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is that, um, I'd rather be able to schedule the voice I be for a time when it works for me and for when I can recuperate if I need to. Um, and >> so we can put it in under to be announced or you can put together a basic

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schedule, we can post it, etc. I mean, it's just a matter of communication. If what we could say is that we inform ahead of time that the activities will bring it forward to us etc. >> Yep.

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>> But but in terms of how many days before or after the the 30th are you allowed to do anything? I mean I think >> no >> personally you could just use your discretion so we can work it in such a way that if it's a week after and

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there's certain things you need to do then that would be fine too. So I I think the major thing is communication with the commission through your radio >> so that if somebody sees somebody doing something we know we can deal with any type of a

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>> any questions that receives >> you'll be able to say they're down to an invasives remove schedule but and everything is is good >> which is communication that's fine. I think it's I think it's great. I love it. [clears throat]

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>> Let's move forward. Just like >> Okay, let's do it. >> So, um, >> wait. Um, >> administrative. >> I never received the >> correct because I I hadn't anticipated how fast it was going going to move. So, I I will get you um the document with

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proper city. >> All right. Do you want >> I have mine filled filled in. So, what didn't you have on that? $50. >> Yep. >> You didn't have what the >> So, I hadn't applied for formally for

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this because >> you didn't see it that >> I wasn't going to apply for this until I discussed this with the commission. So, I I I had floated the idea to co Colby. He kind of liked it. He put it on. I thought it was going to be a discussion

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item, not a not a meeting item. Um and um so I was I was prepared to to discuss but it it seems seems like everyone's in in agreement about the approach. So I'll I'll be getting Colby a copy of the

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request for administrative approval just to dot the eyes and cross the te would we want to vote on that tonight and go wait for the completion of the paperwork in your hand? I would think you could vote to authorize holding

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it. Let's do it. >> I'd like to get it all under one >> motion. Keep it rolling. >> Get rolling. >> Okay. So, I just had one. Um I think I I I love this idea. I think it's great. Um, [laughter]

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I I do think the uh handouts or maybe some I don't maybe it sounds silly or not, but eels with color colorized pictures of the what what's supposed to go on like the the species or whatever to whatever.

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That was just my thing cuz I know I need concrete, you know, just so you don't get a lot of stuff that's not supposed to be coming out. You know what I'm saying? to make sure that everybody knows exactly what >> what it looks like. Yeah, that's my little point. But yeah, I think it's great.

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Okay. So, I'd like to make a motion that we um give Kobe authorization to um uh authorize given an administrative authorization

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to the uh towns and historical society's request for um activities on or around August 30th, stewardship You good with that? We get everything under one move. Second.

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>> Second. Okay. Jimmy seconds it and discussion. Anybody? No. Okay. Roll call. >> James. Yes. >> Senator Lloyd. Yes. >> Pick yes. >> Mike P said yes.

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>> All right. Great. And everybody knows Abigail has folk staying temporarily. >> Yeah, >> temporarily. >> Okay. And uh now please answer. >> Yes. Um

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why don't you read the agenda item? >> Let me chime in if you don't mind. >> Okay. Uh, next item 80 Main Street amendment uh uh to order of conditions D number 308-0705.

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Uh, the town historical society requests approval for the following alterations to the plan. Relocation of septic system components and storm water management area. Conversion of lawn area to parking area.

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removal of two trees and inclusion of ecological restoration and stewardship area. And Frank, you're going to present something. >> Yes. Thank you. And I got say we can't open a hearing on

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this uh because u obviously bad information whether or not it required to be posted with a legal notice and the love is to be notified by mail.

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>> It does. >> It does. All right. And um we will stop here. >> Yeah. >> So hang on. Yeah, >> maybe we have a discussion about uh process

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getting >> to identifying an avenue to go forward with this project. Kobe, hang on a minute before we go too far. In other words, we did not

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you did not know ahead of time. you had to inform the ad about? >> No. Uh because uh the directions for it um in the WBA's website uh do notify do

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not say that. They don't state it. And I uh uh spoke with what I thought was source. Um I asked the questions if they needed to needed it. They did not. But uh I spoke with the DP today. They very

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much said that it needs to be legal not public published and a modified. >> This was from Kim >> the circuit writer. >> Yes.

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So even though we can't open a hearing, can we have anformational discussion about it or >> um >> it's kind of moot. >> Yeah, I I would not feel calm negotiating that that way. Um I've I've had um in past experiences I've had

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public meeting issues where something has happened with a similar situation and it basically invalidated the whole process. >> Oh wow. So um >> Mike >> no we will um close

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>> we you're not even going to open close there is nothing to open >> right what I'm saying is that let's let's drop it now >> correct so >> I I I feel comfortable that I can transpire what uh the D has advised

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because it does affect the what you are applying for and what permit you are applying for which is the amended OC. >> Yeah. If if you have information if you have information provided to you by D about what you received already I I

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would very much like to receive that information but so but that's not something that's being discussed. So that's >> well the rub is that they um they are the appeal authority uh to

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the permit process. Um, so they are not uh they don't as a standard they do not advise anything in writing because that may >> put them in an uncomfortable spot.

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>> Yeah. Unfort [cough and clears throat] now >> that's part of a hearing, >> right? Okay. That's my thought. >> I want part of the hearing. Correct. >> As Frank said, we should best advised to leave it right now. Let it drop. Move on to the next comment.

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>> What do we have next? >> If there's any information that you you receive about what I've previously provided you, if you can pass that on to me, then I then I can I I can speak to that after we've correctly noticed. Yeah, they they

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were um so this is kind of short notice for them because uh they received it last week and they just didn't have time to get back until I called them today. >> But they received it last week,

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>> Kobe. But they got it last week. >> End of last week. >> No, it's not. given everything else >> close. I would not want um to cause

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something that was appeal. So um >> there are I can generally speaking there are other permit options [clears throat] >> um which may be more. >> Okay. Um so so that that sounds like a

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discussion that you and I should have. Um, but as you know, client representative to town representative. >> Maybe that is a conversation you and Colby should really only have, >> right? >> I think that's what they're saying. >> It doesn't. >> Yeah,

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>> but here's what needs to be said. >> Okay. All right. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you, friends. >> Good seeing everyone. Okay. >> I'll be back again. [laughter] Bye-bye.

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[clears throat] >> 2.3 Continuation of Notice of Intent NOI DBP number 308-0730 [snorts] TWWB 20 oh 2026-006- 0 >> 0. Thank you.

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>> Mhm. Um uh oh no zero Brooklyn Road [clears throat] um applicant Kevin Smith. The proposed project is for the installation of a new septic system associated grading within

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a 200 ft riverfront area and amendment of filing to include rebuilding of cabin access road creating of creating a of hayfield and pond. And this one is going to be continued.

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So there's no no action we can take on it tonight. >> The response uh we received um was actually Frank as well. Did it they are still working on the documents. >> When you say documents specifically what they are going how they are going

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to approach it. Um there's again they have um couple alternatives but I'm we're expecting as we discussed in the business meeting we're expecting an NOI that encompasses

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all the activities everything under one in other words A B and C and issues feel on Yes. Yeah, that's when should be

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expected. But again, until we have something in our hands, >> don't know what to expect. >> So, you have zero correspondence. >> This is the as much in response as I get. >> Okay, moving on.

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>> Okay, >> thank you. >> Whoops. People leaving. [laughter] >> Have a good night, guys. >> Okay. >> [clears throat] >> Thank you for coming in. >> I guess that was the big issue of the

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night. >> I [clears throat] guess that was the big issue of the night. >> Okay. Work session. Votes may be taken. three dash uh.1 uh certificate of compliance one brown

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road DP number 308-0718 okay [clears throat] [laughter] north end >> you brown road what's the Um, it's your street, Kobe. You have Brown

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Street, then you go up to the next one. >> Is that Durban? >> I don't know where my [laughter] >> It's a question. Which road is it? >> Yeah. >> I was just He wasn't familiar where it was. >> South Island. It's a short road with

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four houses on it. >> Is that one brown road? Um, I forget. I should know. Um, >> yeah, it's your neighborhood. >> But, uh, yeah, they >> road finished their project for

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in the backyard and there's more on the CC there. >> Now, wasn't that where they he put in a 24 by 30, >> right? >> Right. >> Um, but this is got the way and I didn't

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have an opportunity to get over there. So, So that right at the moment you did not go up to do make >> to see if everything is established still fencing still in et I've looked at

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at it just walking by with my dogs. I don't know if they're comfortable yet just to say it's completely done. >> Sorry might be on next. So, we're gonna go to >> August.

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Come on. Next meeting. What? >> July 22nd. >> 22nd. Never mind. Let's not say August yet. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh 3 um. 2 Massachusetts Association of Conservation Commission handbook order.

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>> Yep. Um, at the previous meeting, you asked to have this put on the agenda again and have a vote as to whether or not to order it or not. It's $20 per person for the ebook. >> So, we need to take a vote for

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>> I thought we had already gone we already committed to ordering six handbooks. idea. You asked for it to be on the next agenda. You did it long [clears throat] ago.

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>> I don't think you actually took a vote. I don't recall. But it was >> I remember we discussed whether or not we were going to get the handbooks. We had the discussion there. We have a lot of new members and we needed to move on that. >> Let's move on this tonight and get these

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books ordered. What are we going to take it out of the WPA account? Usually our class is for >> a training account, right? >> Yes. >> And that is a a total of what? $120.

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>> Six 20 each. >> 120. >> Okay. Let's get I I do I think we need to vote on that to appropriate X amount of dollars out of the proper account for these books to be ordered.

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>> You're making that as a motion. >> I will. >> Okay. >> I'll second it. >> There you go. >> Sorry. [laughter] >> Okay. Um whether or not we >> do or do not, let's do it anyway. I want

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to make sure the books get here to the new members. They got to have them. >> Yeah, I really want one. >> Roll call. Sandra. Jimmy. >> Yes. James Doran. Yes. >> Sandra Lloyd. Yes. >> Brian Pickerington. Yes. Mike Pot said yes. >> Abigail Farley abstain. I guess I should say that

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>> in a way. You should if if you if you're sitting at the table, you should be a you should I maybe should have mentioned it to you, but it you're fine. We announced you were not, >> but still we wanted you at the table. We want you here, not over there. You're part of the crew that you

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>> Okay, moving on. 3.3 standard operation procedures development procedure development for trail creation and maintenance on Concom properties. >> Uh, you should have copy up there. Again, SOPs take quite a while to

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develop. You want to take a copy, move it over, get your markers out. Oh, trail maintenance right here. Okay. >> I heavily stole from another conservation commission.

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>> So, what is this? Just a little info. This is guidelines for the nonprofit groups and others to [laughter] do trail maintenance and creation. >> This is what we're supposed to be

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adopting from another. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, this isn't complete yet. Something that needs to be added in. >> I'm sure there's going to be something. to start. >> Okay.

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>> Is this something that we're going to talk about at every meeting or how >> comfortable with what you have [laughter] it addresses everything. >> Okay. >> [laughter] >> I took it from another conservation

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commission that wrote it um who has active uh overseas for it. I don't know if that's necessary um >> a a town close >> in our area. Um I I took it from West

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because they outlined everything that I that you know should be in the SOP in my opinion. Um but they actually made it into um they actually applied for OC NOI and N OC to get it. So every three years

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they extend it. [laughter] I'm trying to extend it every week in [clears throat] front of do that and on >> that I don't think is necessary but >> in other words you're saying it could be something that we could do that's more

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lasting without having to annually we reant it something more permanent in language. Um no I I think just like we have a hunting

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um guideline right for properties >> it's similar this is just another set of guidelines for >> it's like when we get the abstracts for hunting from fishing game >> yeah [laughter] it can be um altered as

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you need or >> so ignorance here what's SOP >> standard operations side. >> You can call it whatever you want. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, so this is like

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an outline of the approach, but it doesn't give the specifics of how you do some of these things. >> Yeah. And that maybe that might be a reference to some other >> a reference to some where where it goes into detail on how you do it. >> Right. >> And there's some of those plenty of

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those around, I think. >> Yeah. [clears throat] Right. Like you mentioned Appalachian Mountain Club, >> right? >> Guidelines for DCR guidelines. National Park Service has it all guidelines. >> Did you AMC? You just said Appalachian Mountain. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> I think you had mentioned that meeting. >> I have the handbooks which they've got. They do some crazy stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. [laughter] So, this would be for um just

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cleaning up trails and creating new ones. >> No, I haven't gotten that far, but it just says routine maintenance of existing trails >> and fire roads, not new ones, >> right? >> You just can't go >> creating or reimiting a trail

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like notification, etc., etc. But sounds like that would be something that could be in the works, but they have to come to us to establish new trail. >> That makes sense to me. >> Yeah, there's a difference between >> needs approval, which is like the

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maintenance activities approval by us. >> Okay. >> Okay. This looks [laughter] good. So, what do we do with this now? I mean, >> do we want to look at other

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like guidelines from other people to compare them or we say, "Yes, this is great." Or >> Yeah, which I put in the folder, the share folder. They're they're pretty lengthy. >> Oh, the SharePoint. >> Okay.

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What if we read this and there's some questions that we have about it that we need to clarify or or examples of or something. But >> yeah, until we read it and we really see

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it. Yeah. >> Sounds like a plan. >> There's a lot more information out there available to us. There's a lot more people out there that available to us that will come in. guys that have come in front of this commission over the last 20 years with me that are all

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involved about the trails that they've already done, how they've been maintaining them and etc etc. So, this is an ongoing process. >> You can look at [clears throat] getting the Boy Scouts involved and helping us do trails cuz they had a badge for that.

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So, there's a lot a lot going on with this. There's there's a lot to go. I [clears throat] mean I was even on trail crew um at Franklin Pierce University. I helped maintain the trails there. >> Absolutely. What a way towards Manadnock. >> At Franklin Pierce, my university.

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>> Okay. Just next to you really, isn't it? >> But I I I want to make sure I do any work on Man. >> No, but they they've got some great trails up there. See, do you know >> I I've hiked Midnight Knock three, four

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times now. >> It's a day hike. It's a nice one up and down. >> For me nowadays, it's like a month to do. I did it at night. [clears throat] >> Yeah, for the sunrise. >> Oh, wow. It must look beautiful though. >> No, it was completely cloudy. We

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couldn't see a thing. >> We did all that work at night schedule. Got a schedule. >> That must was disappointing. One time I did it with my eyes closed. [laughter] >> I'll point you again. >> All right. So, uh, I think this, you

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know, let's read it over. This is a good outline. You know, if we if we ever get to the point where we need erosion control features like at jail dips and bar water bars, then you know, refer to plenty of other >> people

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>> documents that have the ton there's a ton of people there once they catch on to this who like to come to the meeting to say by the way on and on. >> This is very exciting. >> Okay, let's move on. 3.4 Four, how to address conservation restriction requirements for ARDS.

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This is that agricultural restriction document. >> Uh restricted development. >> Oh, [laughter] [clears throat] I'll go with the agriculture. >> Right. Right. I looked it up. Wasn't it wasn't so I looked it up >> but I got the wrong one. They didn't do

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that one. Age restriction. >> That's how this came about. The circle with the smiley face. Mikey. >> Yeah. Right. [laughter] >> Is that docu for document or what? >> No.

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>> Could be for disturbance. I'm sorry. [clears throat] >> That was good. [clears throat] >> But agricultural restriction documents are extremely important. >> [laughter] >> I I'll second.

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>> Um [clears throat] >> so how do we address? So what's the discussion here? So, this goes back to the discussion we had last time about supplying comments to the planning board for um

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for what you for how to uh how to address the requirement to have a conservation restriction on those aids because because those conservation restrictions will most likely

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be um a responsibility of the conservation commission because you'll be having to go out and do yearly, quarterly, whatever and however it's beenruct

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structured to go out and look at them, >> right? If they are in our purview, we're going to be the ones responsible to make sure everything as correct me if I'm wrong, everything is on the up and up and the

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restrictions are being upheld and respected. >> Yeah. So, it's an annual monitoring of those. >> I went to that planning board I'm sorry, Billy. I went to that planning board meeting and as a resident, you know,

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they did read the comments and everything and [sighs] it was stated and I I had a problem with this. It would be the state that would be responsible for the the restriction and I tried explaining it was going to be the conservation. If you watch that

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meeting, it definitely it definitely said the state and I didn't agree with that. But um yeah, I just feel if some property starts out with a conservation restriction, they make a a development or whatever is going to go in with that

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in there, I don't see why, you know, all of a sudden you want to do an appeal or repeal that. It doesn't make any sense because that's the premise upon which you did that um that whole thing. >> But we we made the comment,

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>> right? They read the comment and their reaction was that it wasn't our responsibility to comment. >> They said the state was I'm like I was scratching my head on that one. But um yeah, >> I I I still what you just said is big. In other words, at the planning board meeting

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>> Oh, it's a planning board meeting. >> This the decision was we would not be per se the stewards the overview of the consution of the conservation restrictions. They said the planning board said >> the state would

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>> what entity in the state? What >> entity? >> Didn't understand that. >> They were at the meeting. >> Yeah. But they didn't [clears throat] really go into detail. They just said the state doesn't have the time or the funds to do it. >> This executive office of the repairs a

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group seat [snorts] um >> restrictions conservation restriction, but they don't monitor. No, but it was during the meeting. They don't have the personnel to do it. It's our responsibility because it comes

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under the purview >> of the towns and conservation commission because it's a towns and conservation restriction we created. >> That's why I was when I talked about it last meeting, I was upset because it's a no-brainer conservation restriction, you know.

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>> So, I would say that this will come up again, >> right? likely. So maybe you can just consider what your comments will be. >> Yeah. >> Try and help the planning board understand what these CRS are and

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>> the engine. >> I want to say it was the engine engineer maybe that came and said it was the state and the planning board agreed that it was the state to monitor. I didn't I didn't agree with that. But >> but is this wrong? My understanding last

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meeting was or at the meeting was that we make our suggestion they decide or not. >> Right. But their understand >> and their decision was based on false information but nevertheless they they had the the the

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ability to make that decision. >> Right. But they need the correct information to make informed decisions. >> Yeah. >> And I was concerned about that. I mean, whatever decision someone makes, people need the proper information and facts before they make a decision.

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>> And they just and the engineer was there and talked them into just rejecting it outright. >> Yes. >> Everybody went with it. >> Watch that meeting. I'm not making this up. >> Yeah. I just said to myself as I closed my eyes, I I got to see that. I mean,

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cuz something >> this sounds like a a bit of an impropriety there. >> That's why I was thinking about >> was informed incorrectly is to >> Well, could you make a brief reflection on what you just heard just now from

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Sandra and what your take on it is? >> I didn't attend the the meeting, but >> you're zoning, right? You're you're on the zoning board, not planning, right? >> Correct. >> Okay. I thought you might have been okay. >> But uh you know, if this is going to

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come up again, maybe you can just have more robust uh comment >> to make sure we're all there. >> Yeah. >> As many of us can be. >> Maybe you can address the process a little bit more in depth. >> Because I didn't I didn't go I couldn't I had to be careful what I said because

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I was I wasn't going on the authority of the commission. I was going as a resident, you know, so my hands were kind of >> tied. No, not your hands aren't necessarily tied, but you should be able to ask >> the question you are in misunderstanding or not informed to and they should give

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you a >> the answer right then and there. >> I wasn't satisfied with the response. I was not. That's why I almost thought as a resident that might appeal I don't know if the time of appeal is gone. I don't know. I didn't know what to do with this because I'm I'm unhappy with it. >> Yeah. I wrote I wrote the date down on

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the last agenda. I'll get it when I go home, but I I'm gonna really watch the meeting. I think we should. >> I'll reach out to Andrew and Beth who is >> Beth is in charge of planning. Really?

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She She does the agenda. She does the whole structuring where they Andrew is still chair, right? >> Correct. >> Okay, I'm good. I'll I'll I'll backtrack on that. the administrative assistant just like me. >> Yeah. And she is phenomenally informed.

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I I am very surprised if anything came from that that would have been anything that would have been misinformation. >> Yeah. >> I mean, is that maybe a reasonable observation with her? >> She is very very on point.

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>> Very detailed. >> Yeah. It wasn't from Beth. It was from the engineer that stated that. I would I would only out of my own advice I would disregard what you heard. >> Yeah. Search a little bit more. Take a little more of that onion off. Peel it

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back a little more. >> Okay. >> Go for what you are looking at for common sense information cuz you didn't get it. Something something doesn't make sense. >> Something's fishy. >> Yeah. I I didn't get a good feeling out of it.

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>> Yeah. I I just left dissatisfied. >> So you better go fishing for some more >> because I said to him I said the conservation commission I was trying to say they hold them. I got really nervous. I'm like I don't know. >> Well, we do hold

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if we we do hold that responsibility of going out and inspecting them >> cuz I said it was I tried saying it was a us that would be monitoring and I I get the response the state. And like I I couldn't shake them out of that. I'm

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like, "Okay." >> Yeah. No. Yeah. >> And I got really nervous because I'm I'm by myself here and I'm not used to speaking up. >> Don't get nervous. Hold your ground. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> The conservation commission uh is responsible for enforcement for the mass

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wetland protection act and the towns and general bylaws wetlands and the squook and miss act of 1975. Are you sure that falls into Kobe might correct us, but is that

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indirect to conservation restrictions? Does it say >> it just says that the conservation commission is responsible for enforcement? >> It's a different structure, but is it not Colby for a conservation restriction? That's a different

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>> standard of what we need to look for in >> well you can't apply it to like wetland protection act regulations because it's on jurisdiction where that conservation restriction is. If we are if the conservation commission is the holder of

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that CR, they're responsible for the monitoring of it. Um to make sure that um the owner and um >> owners >> actually any other stakeholders are abiding by the >> right >> the u

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the the uh >> restrictions verbage the verbiage of the restrictions. So in other words, those five units down there on depot is five. Correct. >> Correct. >> And that's going to be 1/3 of an acre that's going to be in restriction. Less

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less than a half. Correct. >> Very small amount. >> Something around 20,000 square ft. >> Okay. If I remember correctly, >> yeah, it said I remember it saying just under half. >> Just under half. Okay. >> But I know it's small. It doesn't sound

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like much, but the thing is you go into the boards and say this is what I'm going to be doing and they agree upon a conservation restriction. It's like then you go appeal it. It's like why bother haven't going before any boards and you know what I'm saying? It's like

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makes it all a loose point in the end. >> Is there any action we're taking on this >> because it's not really up to us. But >> yeah, >> I that's why I I really I'm thinking about appealing but I don't like I said I don't know if it's too late because

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That's you that's why I I asked did I did I um [clears throat] understand it correctly that and I am curious about how we worded it but as I recall it was >> we suggest that we believe there should

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be a restriction and we will hold the restriction >> right >> but it was up to them to decide whether they wanted the restriction >> so >> because you wrote a small snippet at the end of the meeting >> right to submit Yeah. So, you just said it

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>> it was written I thought it was really written really well. >> You can get a restriction. It doesn't have to be on um land near wetland. So, you can get a restriction on any any >> right like Colby said it doesn't have to be under the purview of you know wetland or

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lake pond or whatever restriction is a restriction >> but you do have to jump through a lot of hoops in order to get it to make it because it is permanent. It's legal. >> You're having flashbacks from the soccer field. >> Oh, am [laughter] I am I right?

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>> Cuz your eyes went up like this. Like >> it was it was it was an education. >> You know, I had heard the term before. You have to actually create too. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Um

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correspondence vote may be taken. the 4.1 NRWA squan cook eoli report card. >> Can we just circle back to 3.4? So, how are we leaving that? We're going to do more more robustly

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um next time or how are we going to do that? I just want to make sure I'm on the >> What do you mean going circle back to 3.4? What are we circling back to 3.4? >> How to address conservation restrictional requirements for ARDS? Like are we I know we already did we did a statement but are we going to try and

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as many of us go to the next next one because as Kobe said as he stated it's going to happen again. >> Right. >> We're not done with it yet. >> Yeah. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> Remember you're rec.

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>> All right. So I just wondered how we're leaving that. We're going to talk about it more another time the next time it comes up. Fine. >> I think that the next time it comes up, who know the one was the last time it came up. So, it's been it's

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>> the interval is the space between them coming up is pretty pretty long. >> Okay. But uh >> so during the interim of it a little more investigative work is to the verbiage that you heard at the plan. We're meeting to better understand it. >> Get us the bottom line so we best

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understood and come back to the commission [clears throat] >> with what you were able to better understand and get for information. >> Okay. >> I didn't mean to take that from you. Was that okay to say that? >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Okay. Esquanica E. coli. Where did we

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see the E coli [clears throat] stuff? >> Um 4.1. >> Is that in here buried somewhere? >> No. >> No, he know we know it's 4.1. He didn't know if there was something on the dock. It is.

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>> Here it is. >> We've isolated where on the river we are getting the E. or not. >> So they tested above Squanit Lane and then they tested below Adam's dam negative above

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positive down at Adams. >> Does that have anything to do with that calling? >> The what? >> Is there something totally >> pollen? >> No. No. The the calling. Remember when someone called in? You guys went down and checked it out. There was something messy with the water.

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>> No, that was that was something up on What was that? trap falls. There was a little bit of a soap for a clouding of the stream >> smell and a cloudiness. Yeah. >> You to go up and >> Yeah. >> Put the cautious eyes on it.

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>> Something's been >> that Yeah, that was different. >> All right. >> So, in other words, it's a septic issue. Someone septic >> Yes, we did. We were able to isolate it. Was it Squanica Terrace that we had a

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septic system that was in failure? >> Yes. >> And we do know that the house >> I don't know exactly. I mean the board of health would know. >> Correct. >> I think so. >> So it's being addressed. >> I don't know.

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>> Yeah. Okay. >> Slow process though, right? So how big of an area is this in Eoli? >> Meaning how big? >> Yeah. How big from like what point to what point are we looking at? Half mile.

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>> I'll go through it again. Where scorer's testing was done above the headers >> did not indicate E.oli. Am I correct on this Kobe? because I was >> computer what

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>> I was told that they had tested above SQ terrace and they did not find that Eoli but when they get they were able to go down to Adams it came up positive then they backtracked >> that's exactly how they

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pinpointed it more >> so they found the source yes sir yeah >> so what do we do with this >> uh you Look at look at the results. It's just correspondence. >> Okay. See

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>> final scratch >> Adams Dam preliminary report uh final report for preliminary design services for removal of dam. Wow. And why would we want to remove the stand?

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>> I [laughter] think slow tonight. >> Look at those numbers. That's alarming. The one I checked concerning. >> Wow. >> Opposed to what the Niss had in Groten.

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That's concerning. Oo, >> extremely high elevations. >> See where it's docked out where we are. Third one down. >> Yeah. >> Look at our levels of elevation compared

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to other towns. Even in the statistics high, but nowhere near where where we are, >> right? That's that's >> Well, do you need to ask permission? >> An attention getter to me. Yeah, man. I'm I'm sharing right now. >> So, you are

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>> done with this. Let's keep this going. Harbor. >> This is just correspondence anyway from we normally get this. We had a report card last um meeting as well. This is

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the newest one from June uh June 24th. They they um tested the water at Adams Dam and it was above the uh uh threshold for safe swimming. It's uh if it's greater than 235 cubic

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feet per unit, CFU, right? >> CFU. Yeah. >> Um >> cubic feet per unit. And >> then it's deemed to be unsafe. Uh Adam dam it measured 770. Yeah. CFU.

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which compared to some of the other examples of it like tiss where the highest out of those 10, right? >> Yeah. There's one other >> like an anomaly one other higher um

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>> like 19 >> site that they tested >> 1986 but that was that was back on the 24th. Now they're down back to 118. Yes. >> Yeah. >> And Adams Dam is going back to past

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reports. Um it fails regularly. >> It's something that gets monitored by water health and then in RWA >> and we've got to look at I mean there's other areas that have been shut down. I mean, in all the years I've lived in the

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area, I've never seen Damon Pond shut down due to bacteria [clears throat] levels. >> Well, it's shut down right now. Yeah, >> correct. It's red flagged as you can see when you go by. >> Yep. >> And I mean, in all the years I've lived here since it's been a while,

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>> but I've never seen this shut down. >> So, now they're looking at what's above us, what's going on. >> Yeah. Yeah. So the geese don't help either. >> Huh? >> The geese don't help either. Look what happened. >> Yeah, but I don't think the geese will create that level of both.

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>> Well, they they did it to the BFW when we used to be able to swim there. They shut that right down. >> Yeah. Before I got married, I'd swim in there with my >> I remember as a kid growing up, we used to swim. And >> do you guys know how far back when they used to have the carnival and everything

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there >> where hobby would cook the chicken and they would have amusement park and everything? I don't know about the music part, but I know how they used to have >> lights barbecue every Thursday. >> That sounds cool. >> Yeah, those days are gone. I used to teach swimming lessons there for Red

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Cross. >> Remember we used to have that at Spalding School in the backyard. They all the summers and stuff. I remember going in. That's when a town was a town. >> Yep. >> I got to agree with what just said. >> That's when a town was a town. >> Yeah,

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>> I agree. It seems like it's moving away from some of that, doesn't it? one of these. >> Need to bring it back. >> We need to bring it back. >> Okay. >> Nice job, Brian. >> We're done with that. >> And this is the difference when I don't

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know any of this stuff. >> Well, we've been here. So, >> I've been here since what 58. So, I'm familiar with some of that. I was there before Mike even moved up to Vent

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>> and he's been there. >> Okay. Five 5.0. zero. Are we there? Education and conferences both may be taken. >> Yeah. >> Uh oh. MACC fundamentals unit 102 the wetlands protection act that that's

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>> webinar or >> well this is the one that someone's coming here right? Um, no. That that's going to be on the 29th >> at 5:30. The circuit rider that you're referring to will be attending um just a

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training session with uh all the members. Um >> so the D circuit writers coming. >> Yeah. But that one's another class and realizing that it's on the same day. >> It's a meeting. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's what threw me off. >> Yeah. I saw that on my

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>> Okay. So it's 20. Okay. >> So it is going to still stay 72226 for the circuit rider. >> 729. >> 29. >> Right. >> 729. And that's going to be room two or >> it should be meeting room two.

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>> Room two. You know where that is downstairs first. Then you come around the corner. the next small room right there. You want to go to that. That's like you. >> Yeah. >> Circuit R is somebody you want to listen

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to and get introduced to. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> No, it's the time we agreed upon. Was it 5 or 5:30? 5:30. >> Okay. Well, I wasn't sure if it was definite with with the circuit writer. I don't know if she had responded. >> No, it's verified. [clears throat]

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>> It is definitely verified. Okay. So last time we weren't sure >> and then this one's a different educational thing. >> MACC class fundamentals unit 102 wetlands protection act WPA. >> Yeah. >> But that's at the same time as our

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meeting on the 22nd. >> Right. Yeah. >> Okay. Uh items for discussion at next meeting uh is 6.1 Sver Road extension DP number 308-0729

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[clears throat] or next meeting. So in other words, we're going to discuss again about zero C road. >> Looks like it >> is Wayne going to be here.

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Are we able to get I asked this to the uh my scanny chair and my are we going to give all of the commissioners the prudent information of the history of z of sever road

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and some of the dynamics of road why it was shot down in what 1989 shot down again in 2020. 20. >> I don't know about that. I don't know if that's relevant to be honest. But

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>> I think if we're if we have something put in front of us to the conservation commission, we should be 100% aware of what the conflict is with planning, what the what why it was >> why it's an ongoing situation. >> Why was it flunked three times and it's

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in front of us again? What is this? >> Help a little. >> Hello. >> Hi, Laura. >> Hi. I can help only that I was on planning when it was before us and >> and that was in 22 or 89. Lori

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>> goes back a number of years. Let me see. Ended planning in April of 25. I want to say 3 to five years before that. Um, and it wasn't it never got to the

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point of that I remember correctly, so don't hold me to it, public hearing. All I know is that every time it was on the agenda, there were all of the residents of Seaver Road would be at the meeting

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and uh well, no, I take that back. It must have gone to a public hearing at one point. Um >> um a [clears throat] lot of it was more meeting with the developer and his intentions

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and also kind of feeling out um the board and how they felt about it. I think of course we were uh pro-development and if there was a way to

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uh have some building done the planning board would have supported it but there was great opposition plus and >> mostly from the abutters correct. >> Yes. I mean, >> the people who live on that street and

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the guy that lives in Lunberg, um, who's the end of the street and gets his mail delivered from Townsen. Yep. >> Yeah. It's a Lunenburgg address. Um

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but the other issue that came into play was the fire department and the road itself and the fact that the turnaround was required and

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that was I'm I'm just saying that was one of the major issues. I'm not sure um how this >> I'm not sure how this plan is different than the last three house development

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that was presented before us. >> Yeah. can say on that >> cuz what we have before us is a a new permit um for NOIC and I don't know if any of that has a bearing on this new permit but

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>> this is an all new permit from what we were presented with Wayne >> different it's a different developer it's a different name the applicant is different >> than the applicant the planning board had seen >> so it's not Wayne.

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>> It's Wayne. Yes. >> So we're get So from a couple months ago, is that what you're talking about? That's the permit that we're are discussing. >> I'm okay. I'm okay. >> But it was mentioned and in in discussion and you I think you were at

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the sitewire of the issue of the fire trucks and turning and with in and etc. tail swinging. >> Oh, I [clears throat] don't see how that's going to change no matter what it is. >> It isn't. I thought he did. >> It was discussed though. So they're

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aware of it equal to but I think the fire trucks being able to two or not turn in there is move opposable listen to the about that's all I'm going to say. They'll come in front of us and they're going to make their point and

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it's very compelling. That's all I got. >> Did we cover four points final report? >> Um I think we did not. I don't think we did. >> Oh, no. >> I I I'll say that u it's it's out. It finally came out the final report for

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the preliminary uh design services. Um doesn't that's uh you know I sent out the email you can become familiar with it. You may um be

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presented with some questions by um residents, but your your job isn't there to uh condone or support it because you're going to have a regul regulatory goal in it

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being you know a work activity within a resource area. meaning the removal of if it does come to fruition, right? >> Yeah. There will be a >> we have to vote on that correctly. >> It's not in our hands. This

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>> be lots of permits with that one. >> I mean, but this isn't >> is a plan to move forward. >> This is fish and gang. >> Is it? >> No. >> Well, the parks and cemetery, >> the one that puts the busing and that wants the name removed. Who is the

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entity that wants it removed? So it's a DR division of ecological restoration. >> So they're completely separate from FNG Fishing Game. >> Yeah. >> So when they go to remove the dam at the

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VFW, >> I don't know. >> That's going to be that's going to be Fishing Game that does that one then. I already heard it. I already spoke they spoke. >> I had a conversation with him about it. I >> that's another one that's leaving us. So >> I was under the uh impression that

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because like we talked about it in a meeting that was something that we were going to be voting on. >> No. No. >> Why did the parks and cemetery come before us to talk about it then? >> They wanted to make it aware to us that

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they were in great objection to it. >> It's not mandatory that it gets removed. Correct. No. So, who makes the final determination about [clears throat] that? Because I thought it was like not a done deal. >> Would it have to go in front of like a town meeting or something?

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>> Sounds like a big deal. >> Slip SL. >> Yeah, it's going to have to. Yeah, I think that's going to be the final say. >> Do we require Do we know why it was even suggested to be removed in the first place? Was there

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any just grounds for removal or what to remove? >> Yes. >> I'm not rehashing it right [clears throat] right now. >> I'm just to remove a dam that's there has to be some substantial reason why

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>> process is very indepth >> to consider removing it. >> Right. But >> the initial step of wanting to do something like that, >> there has to be a justified reason for it >> which is addressed in the assessment.

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>> Right. I was going to say >> I don't blame because it's very it's long. It's in depth. That's going to be maybe can help >> get my hands on that. >> Can you help Brian with some information? >> It's it's a book >> literally.

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>> Oh. Uh did do you remember receiving it or >> No. No, I'll send it. >> I can open it up. I can open it. >> I'm still trying to get signed into that thing we discussed earlier. >> Oh, you can still open. >> No, it's giving me the runaround >> for what? To get into the webinar.

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>> The share point >> just for anything that he sends me. I I open it in. I put my email in for the code. >> Did you get the code? >> No. >> On your email? >> Nope. >> Oh, cuz I know I got >> I can't spam maybe. Does it go spam?

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>> No, I've checked it off. Yeah, like I said, I didn't have time today, but I'll send out more PDFs. It's just >> time consuming. >> Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. I'm I'm still going to work on that. See if I can't get that to open. >> I'm trying [clears throat]

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to fix it another way. >> Yeah. I wonder why I didn't notice when you sent it out on us. >> Well, did you send it out separately or was it with one of the >> I did >> separately. Okay. All right. I'll look. I was a little confused because it said

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correspondence votes may be taken. That's why I was wondering about >> Yeah, that's why I was wondering where where it says that. >> Oh, does it? >> Yep. >> But I do want to say this about the dams when um I unless you take out all the

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dams all the way down through. >> Um >> and now you're weighing in. >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't think this is the time for fair enough. But I think we're down to um uh anyone want we're ready to adjourn.

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>> Are you sure we want to adjourn? Because this is way too early. I feel like we [laughter] >> I think we can maybe just drag something out. >> Lori, do you have anything? [laughter] We can do >> we can ask about that. >> I'm making a motion that we adjourn this

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meeting >> at uh 8:36. I'm going to second that. >> Second. Okay. Roll. >> James and I fully approve of uh adjourning. >> All right. >> Let's go.

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>> Sandra Lord. Yes. >> Yes. >> Are you sure? >> I think I'm sure. >> Okay. >> You sure? You sure? >> I know you want to vote, but >> just a little more time. You'll be back in the back in and we'll move. I'm out of here.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. >> Great job, guys. >> Have a good night. >> Thank you.