##VIDEO ID:Oyc3rpQ2Sc8## the call the order the Wednesday August 28th 2024 Council 7:02 PM can I have a roll call vote please James Duran present James Gates Pat joh jimy M reading Us in PL of Allegiance sure I PL Ali stes justice for all this meeting is being reported is anyone else reporting reporting Chairman's additions and or deletions um I don't have any review and approve uh meeting minutes yes yes and yes for me you can't do it like that redo the 24th of June why because you didn't vote on it what do you mean we didn't vote on I thought it got miss you say you guys all agreed it was good but there wasn't an actual vote taken take a motion right I wasn't it's not my job to be the chairman and the clerk see over there on the right hand Tower say clerk clerks don't run the meetings that's why mistakes coming you can appoint me me to you to when he's here yeah I'll motion that well that is down not that long that Vice chair chair you can take my SP p no you're very good at what you do um all right so everyone look at have a chance to look at this or the rest of [Music] them next year AI will be doing this for us computers are all outlawed by them which I just mentioned discussion Arrow's joining us from spaceship to give you the background on that one Mr chair yes uh did you ever watch the show Lost in Space way too young for that okay so the the backgrounds the bridge of the Jupiter 2 Mark Gard one of the cast members of the show was a personal friend of mine and he passed away last year and a bunch of us are keeping that up in his memory for a little while I'm all for it my oldest changed my wife Zoom to something yeah that was a good show so are we good with these meeting minutes uh 624 24 71024 and 81424 yeah I just did couple corrections but nothing minor what were they um it was just um separate it just had under line of you know a couple things that were misspelled and then separating uh kcom did you mark any of it on a no I just fixed my sheet so could I take that from yeah I know I don't that's hard to believe because that's who did it but okay he you grumpy I just didn't think a Miss would bring any it's not it's not changing anything we can still vote on with with the amended changes so um my computer comes up and does it so oh I didn't all right so other words you would it's not like you was sit in front of him looking for Miss spelling no no it would it would come up put underline and then I would look to see put it in Jessica you know about this no comment I'm not sure i' never make typos or mistakes ever so this must be someone else's work trying to go down the line find out who's responsible for this um so Pat if you if you've done it on your sheet or if you want to highlight it and drop it off the chest or email it to her but we can I make a motion to accept yeah meeting is from 62424 71024 and 81424 pleas any changes second give me second that discussion no roll call vote James dra yes James Gates yes J [Music] yes7 staff report right all right so uh this covers a lot of time because of a canceled meeting and then I was not at the last one so just bear with me because I'm going to go through a lot uh building permit sign offs for six Campbell Farm Lane 94 Main Street 235 Wallace Hill Road 216 Old Turnpike 101 Highland one John Burch Memorial Drive 26 Barker Hill Road 145 lunenberg Road 40 wheeler and 30 oh not 30 Shirley yet we're waiting to see what you guys decide on the RDA Board of Health interde departmental signatures were 152 North End Road and 12 Canal Street uh completed approvals in the last 6 weeks was a -3 determination of applicability for 94 main street3 determination of applicability for 18 copper Smith standard order of conditions was issued for 88 meal Road a complete certificate of compliance was issued for 238 South Row Road and 158 Fitchburg Road uh standard order of conditions issued for 21 Emory Road the emergency certificate for the Sanic cook WMA down by the BFW Pond was issued um a neg3 determination of applicability for Saun Ro for 11 Saun ro road was issued um certificate of compliances issued for 27 scales Lane and 88 Meadow Road and then an order conditions issued for Mass do at that 119 uh Edward Road Culvert active applications in right now an noi it's incomplete but it's an noi for for 22 sauna roil road so once that's complete um I'll keep processing it for you guys we have the RDA for 30 Shirley Road and 20 copper Smith we have nois for 94 Fitchburg 12 Canal Street and 50 SAA ro road um and then upcoming at your next meeting is an RDA for 46 Emory Road some compliance updates um the five wers Road order of conditions they have all their preconstruction stuff up to speed 21 Emory Road um same deal confirmation of recording pre-construction inspection that's all done um 80 Main Street The Harbor Church I've sent them several reminders to keep their silt fence and good working condition um it does look like it's finally backed with with some extra I don't know what but it looks like it'll be more stable at this point where was that again Jessica that's the [Music] church okay um I contacted a few outstanding orders that we haven't heard from in a while um 75 Pierce Road they have a 2year um vegetation monitoring requirement that you guys put on their order that we've heard nothing from them so I'm still waiting to hear back from them um I've made a few attempts and didn't hear back and then 187 Pierce Road you guys have an enforcement order actually at that property um and I am also looking for a living stem count update from them for Jessica Pi that was the one where they didn't extend the permit um and they hadn't done the mitigation all right so so instead of Reiss or extending the permit and going through all the headache it was easier to do okay get them to do their okay mitigation they overplanted yeah but it's time to monitor it it correct chesica um well yeah they overplanted but because they expanded their limits disturbance yeah so so over planting wasn't really the best thing for them to do um I don't know didn't matter well they if someone died they'd have the Overflow that they got moving forward jica sorry to interrupt that's okay um back in May a couple months ago I don't remember you guys issued order of conditions for two Capricorn Lane um I haven't heard anything from them at all but I drove by the other day and work was definitely already ongoing and there was no D sign installed um so therefore they did not have a d sign and they did not schedule a precon meeting or inspection for erosion control so a fine was sent out to them a couple days ago for that and then um Jim I'm not stealing his Thunder but he's been just monitoring the bridge replacement of the Greenville Road Bridge over Walker Brook yeah I was out there today so things look fairly good the water's really slowing down so I don't know if at what point in time they're going to do the live bottom underneath the CET they should almost be with no no water running so that that is looking favorable okay great um and then just a couple miscellaneous things we did finally received the two hard copies of that um kcom jurisdictional areas map that we had the massachusett regional Planning Commission GIS team do so those are in our office um they look really great and so those if just as a quick reminder those kind of highlighted in red all the all the known areas in towns and that would be under your jurisdiction so flood plane perennial streams Wetlands all their Associated buffers fnal pools Etc now do this going to have the FEMA upgrades on flood plane area it does not because those are not actually in effect yet until spring or summer of next year next year okay yeah um we do have a table of all active order of for our records all active order of conditions um ever issued I think in the one drive online um for those of you who don't access the one drive we can always just take a look in the office at some point too but none of us have access to it it's it's in the weekly or in the meeting folders the weekly ones but okay just tell if you if you guys can't access it you have to tell me because otherwise I don't know okay um and then I did receive a notification that the Squan cook emergency work will be happening this Friday so the end um meaning where on Squan cook you're VFW it's not the Squan cook it's not on the Squan cook well it's the The Wildlife Management Area okay property yeah yeah we'll be done with that Friday great um have a ribbon cutting Monday refreshments and stuff two the amount for the fine was $150 okay I put 200 all right and what in the the erosion control look pretty comical Jessica yeah it kind of look like trash bags a little saggy well it's all about recycling these days J I gotta take a PE one of the in the next up me upcoming meeting or two I'd like to throw out their a fine schedule so that it's transparent yeah yeah so us and for everyone for the needs to utilize it all right thank you Jessica and two Capricorn is again for what a septic replacement no small addition you showed up you showed up wait and I walked around with you okay 717 um 2.1 notice of intent 94 Pittsburgh Road twb 2024 4-88 be number 30871 15 applicants towns and Highway um Department project is for extension of drainage pipe from fburg Road into Wetland puffer so make a motion to open the hearing for this second second roll call vote James yes James Gates yes cat yes excuse me pursuant to the mass WPA and towns Wetland bylaws the towns and concom will hold a public hearing on Wednesday August 28 2024 at 7:15 p.m. the hearing will be held virtually via Zoom uh and in person at Town Hall on a notice inent filed to the conom by towns Highway Department property is located at 94 Pittburgh road accessors map 16 parel 9 lot to proposed project is for the extension of a public storm drain pipe to outfall into the 100 foot bordering vegetated Wetland buffer parties wishing to speak in support of or in opposition to this application may do so at the meeting and in writing or in writing prior to the meeting copies of the application are available for review at Town Hall during business hourss all set there is no D had no comments on the extension of that c or the COV at all they had no [Music] comments no comment surprise surprise um e turno is here representing the highway department um now you guys aren't going to be doing the work though um so we recair the build is going to be doing the work have we decided we're going to extend it from where it is in that existing for another how many feet so I guess Keith if you don't mind explaining what what it is what's was requested what had happened we had a IC problem acoss cross catching over time we actually did some research with it between the base and discover across the street so last winter we toward the end of last win we actually cleaned it out found the outlet of it cleaned it out fortunately China almost pretty much goes through the side of the so we made recomendation it structure can have a clean up yeah and two right side left side Yun that doesn't be my two questions I'm going to want to know if they had no comment with the EP it is what it is and my other question M Keith and Jimmy doesn't matter what was the evaluation of the cover that was going across 119 what did it seem like it's condition of How It's been there a while it's um we haven't fully cleed it out yet there's but it's all Concrete in the past experiences I've had most of the concrete looking under them theyve all been good so the longevity of what that is under 119 we'll be able to hold up hopefully to continue water flow from the opposite side and it's it's basically meaning Springtime or wet winter more rain than snow that's when that's when it's P you you walk this do you want to see what plan again or no I remember everything that s and disgusted Jessica do you have anything you'd like to add I do not and you guys are going to monitor it to make sure the works done as say yeah the f is in your name so need a PR instruction meeting when you say a preconstruction meeting for the extension of it where it is once have we made the decision we're going to extend it another 40 ft or we going to allow it to remain the way it is her plan is to extend it and you guys want to extend it no they're not going to the builders correct but it'll be under the guidelines and you will ultimately take responsibility for it so you're going to need overview of it as to what they do we [Music] for the ability to put pip in cover an extended 40 Fe I thought that was going to be left up to us to decide if we were going to bless the extansion it is because we get to vote we haven't voted on it yet um but the has approved so the plan that wased do not agree with it that's why I said Sky liit if D had made any comments which I'm very surprised they didn't about expend I agree Up Up and Away moving on you were there when I called Jim and told them I can't believe they did say anything it's rare that's why I said sc's liit I I I very few times I've ever seen an NC coming back especially with a c situation over State you had something that D didn't it's been a while go back especially when it invol the cber but yeah I mean even some other stuff you know it's been a while a lot of those people that were there have moved on so you have a whole new tweet of people reviewing so they're usually other words a lot a lot of young eyes and then inter you know they have moved some yeah but it's also yeah based on interpretation you can interpret absolutely absolutely W PA one way and another person interpret it a different way we've seen it does need to accept it either you sure we have copies to sign on the so I make a motion to uh issue a order conditions the standard order of conditions for 94 Pittsburgh Road twb 20241 188 and D 30871 highway department for GR pipe extension wait a second second second roll call vote wait sorry sorry sorry do you guys want any special conditions on your attachment a I please I don't feel that there's a need for it I assume they're going to have rip wrap to the end the tail end it's right in the plan as I I could see it in the corner I don't see anything other than an extension 40 feet it's going to roll into the Wetland area and if if anything it might have a little safer overtime is coming down to the end of the bank then you have that big cut into the ground whatever it's pretty much just straight forward I don't feel feel that there's a need but if you do no no that's fine I just I just I didn't want to put nothing if you guys didn't actually say nothing so just clarify that moving forward thank you you didn't see anything yeah I'm objective to 40 feet of C but I'm not I've never seen it it's just like when we watch what they were going to be doing down it dos 500 ft down through a field what did my Mia say I don't think so a different be different situation but it's the whole thing of already there there's a velocity to that though coming down through I get I get it oh you know I'm just in all of a no dad is a different animal motion Jimmy made a second we're good do we have discussion something uh roll call Boot please James Gran yes James Gates yes P J yes just put just in preparation of my signature yes all set three in do you want screen sharing for the next one 12 Canal if you want me to sure heartley or Dave whoever is there can I please have screen sharing permissions okay as heartley here I'll give that to you in just one moment thank you 728 okay Jessica you should have it now great thanks excuse me um yeah we're a little early for the next one so what I will do is we'll down to 4.1 part my chair deletions is we're going to move 3.3 vote for officers to next meeting because Kevin is not here that's two meetings he's out I motion we give him a verbal warning maybe in a written I don't know what do you think what did you get when it happened to you they didn't care B difference um 3.4 request for concom to co-sponsor community preservation ACT public meeting so I will give us a give everyone a little quick SPI um this public meeting is Thursday September 26 2024 7M in Memorial Hall in Townsen what is the CPA the CPA is an act that helps communities preserve open space historic sites develop outdoor recreational facilities support Youth Sports Fields maintain playground support outdoor recreation and support of housing like an employer retirement account you pay some tax money in and the state matches a certain percentage what could towns Community do with the money um the town of towns alone through a local committee not the state chooses how to spend the money as long as the funding helps to improve the town and what is offered for open space historic sites outdoor recreational facilities or housing a project would be eligible once approved by the committee all proposals must be passed by town meeting the CPA is critically needed to allow the rail trail that's a but um in building the rail trail spanic Greenways has used all the money from many years of fundraising and the 20% match needed for Mass Trails Grant without CPA for the construction will either be greatly slowed or stopped alt together um so example of some projects could receive funding um expansion of rail trail and West Townson support preservation of historic properties I bring in visitors that support local uh businesses enhanced Sports field uh Fields renovate playgrounds improve hiking trail signage affordable housing um swanic Greenways used Bren CPA to fund a portion of the third year of construction and fourth year of construction um portion of the rail trail that went into it wasn't a $10,000 grant that they received it was substantial substantial and how far did we go into BR from town 120 that portion was just under a mile under one mile all right the petition uh so what exactly is being proposed petion supports a 1% sirar charge on property tax there are ex exceptions uh based on income first $100,000 dollars of property value for everyone is exemp each 60 and over making less than 100% of the median income for a family of two which is just under $106,000 uh you are exempt you can opt out and pay nothing any age and make less than 80% of the median income uh which is just under $85,000 for a family of two you can opt out as well for that 1.5 increase on your taxes one% 1% but the first $100,000 is off so the an example is a $400,000 house basis for the amount is 300,000 the rate is 01441 the total amount for the year is $45 2 up to $600,000 home value bases for the amount is $86 46 so those are just examples uh towns in so how much money can we expect to get as a town annually towns has about 8% of the population of P based on towns and population properties we expect to the amount raised each year will be around $190,000 the thing is is the state is taking the money this way so is that a match or is are they waiting to see if the participation is there are they gonna are they gonna Pro in other words if they see a lot of people in town going for it not opting out does that increase their participation in the amount of money they would put into it no and everybody's got to keep in mind you know 1% here 2 point two and a half% override little bit you know taxes just keep creeping up creeping up more and more more and more we're on I am I'm on fixed income I'm a retired person how old yes it does how old are you you over you didn't have to give me your exact age you're over 60 so you're exempt still I speak you know just see a lot of tax increases definitely accept I have no money 71 I did what was asked to me so I make a motion that cons uh cosponsor preservation meeting th's a September 26 2024 7.m there what's the DAT again on that Thursday September 26 7 p.m. in the Great Hall go that one too James yes that definely yes it's all good it's all good you don't have to stay into it it gives the younger families everything anyway you know indirectly directly it doesn't matter are we going up to our 7:35 yes it is 736 2.2 um notice of intent 12 Canal Street twb 2024 d189 and D number 308 d714 um the applicant is Grace how do you pronounce your last name ja it me Maya um representative representing them is Jack Roy is a residential septic replacement within the River Front I motion to open the hearing 7:37 PM do I have a second a second roll call vote J James yes James Gates yes yes Jessica can you hear Jimmy yes okay just making sure why did I mumble no quiet I could um pursuant to the mass WPA in towns and Wetland bylaws the towns and conom will hold hold a public hearing on Wednesday August 28th at approximately 7:35 p.m. the hearing will be held on via zoom and in person at Town Hall on an noi filed with the concom with Grace Mia the property is located at 12 Canal Street CEST Mount 47 parcel 39 the proposed project is for a residential septic replacement uh within the riverfront area parties wishing to speak in support of or in opposition to this application may do so at the meeting or in writing prior to the meeting copies of the application are available for review at Town Hall during business hours Jack okay uh we had a site walk last week and mostly everybody were there uh we have an existing five-bedroom house with the failed septic system the existing septic tank is here in red and uh leach field is in this clouded area here um we did some soil testing over in this yellow area where the proposed septic system is uh new septic tank pump chamber will be installed just outside the uh protected habitat Zone uh as per comments from natural heritage and then we'll be pumped over to the the new leaching field over in this area and that's the old one where it was and we moved it approximately uh 15 17 feet yeah so um as of yesterday westbo hadn't received our package our hard copy package I did email them last week uh with the changes um and Jessica had gone back yesterday and asked Melanie U if there was any comments from them but until they get a hard copy package they're not going to release the letter but it's going to be a negative anyway so uh we do have a verbal okay from them uh 90% of the the property is located within the 100 foot foot uh buffer zone as well as the 100 foot inner reparan zone right here we're keeping it as far as way as we can uh without impacting any other lot lines or anything like that um you know keeping in the same general area is what's here basically from Beyond The Water Area here it's all wooded so we're still in an open area and that's right about here was where that other candy cane was yeah vent in this area here correct so that will okay y so we plan on using waddles the whole way but there is going to be one section that will be uh Sil fence which would be in that protected habitat area and the area that's closest to the river itself the double dark line that you see around the tanks and that habitat there's just minimal square footage yeah yeah the work area would be right in here and for us to get a cleanout in put a new line over here pump crush and uh fill the old tank in okay CR yes saw this on your um silt fence it a your line um says see silt fence detail I only see the star waddle detail second page was is was next question is is there a second should be okay cation barrier bottom left you don't have the second page not in this one but um straightforward so is there anything else in the second page I should know uh just the uh the pump notes the pump curve trench detail V detail Y no I don't really have basic or it's replacement system and you know that there's that one tree that may be affected but maybe not over in this area I think it was some sort of a fruit tree yeah uh but other than that it's all lawn meaning it may be may have yeah try to stay away from it if they can there's there's some room to play with on this side we can slide it further away just a little bit to protect it but how often you find natural heritage going in and making adjustments like that moving a tank back uh I don't think we find ourselves no this this one's a unique situation because of where the tank is located it's in the habitat in it which and in conversation with Melanie Cheeseman at natural heritage it's still considered work within the habitat so that's why is that a wall on the river side I know it's it's the big is it an actual walline St wall there's no there's Shoreline right there Grand no it's a grand stack wall complet yeah it comes down to a certain point and then it stops but I walked right down the banking over here to the just banking after yeah well a little further up it goes to banking yeah yeah think that wall tank currently okay yeah yeah yeah Okie doie do you have any no and and and it's just going to be that area the corner of the house wles the whole way and then from this section from the Corner House right up to that one section they want you to kind of s s fence and wles yeah yeah well they're taking good care of that was my decision to do that know so well he what he knows us so well SP appreciate it mik wood with us you're this is your project um do you have any comments or anything that radiant heading to the water that's all J do you have anything or any thoughts you wanted to add nope I do not yeah other than to with what Jack said about the nhp letter coming that it it is expected to be no effect so so should that be noted in a special condition because we're pending from it um I mean I've only seen a special condition about the letter if they end up putting spe own special conditions but we already have in writing from her you know unofficially that they will not have any comments so I don't think it's it's necessary to put as a special condition for your order we'd love to find some difficulty in it we just can't I make a motion to issue a standard order of conditions uh for 12 Canal Street CWB 20241 189 D number 308-7428 4189 T number 30814 second roll call vote James Gran yes James Gates yes and Pat J yes Jack oh perfect I just noticed that with the minutes thanks good Jack thank [Music] you if you need volunteer form either of you good have more time Tred I make a motion to close the hearing for 94 pitchburg Road twb 20241 188 and B number 308 d07 15 do I have a second a second roll call vote James yes James Gates yes Pat yes she can yeah we can corespond um so 401 upcoming Mass D WPA 101 presentations um the hybrid in person at Sero and remote on teams um or sorry this is mass C is offering a WPA 101 presentation which provide a general overview to help um season staff and new Commissioners uh learn and a refresh um their knowledge of the WPA the hybrid um session is Monday September 9th 2024 1M that one hybrid it's either in person at their office or remote session will include an overiew of the WPA will focus on paperwork forms and process processes this session will be tailored towards staff but be useful for commissions Commissioners without staff once they September 18th 2024 6m remote on teams um September 18th yes uh session will include an overview of the WPA with a focus do you mind signing in please session will include an overview of the WPA with a focus on reading the regulations and project review tips this session will be tailed toward commissions uh but is useful for new staff to gain familiar familiarity I can't talk with the WPA regulations pleas rsvb by Friday September 6 and if anyone likes to attend um please let Justin know and she'll register two we are hoping upcoming MSA civic participation webinar we're hoping to have people attend this webinar who would be interested in helping us expand our volunteer base it would be a great be great to get more volunteers for our boards and committees registration is now open for the MSA fall program webinar on 919 SC or more and that is from 12 to 1 [Music] be proc coming the blitz is another we at 4.3 mhcc 4.3 mhcc yeah so upcoming workshops mushrooms for beginners that is in Framingham Saturday September 14th what's in Fr of mushrooms mushrooms for beginners yep your name written all over boy is that in the garden of the woods in firmingham I assume most likely yeah they'll probably have it at the campus they do some really good stuff down there yeah so the list is jica can print out the list but there are several classes September 24th 26th 8 October 8th 9th 10th 15th 23rd 24th different units of the fundamental C certificate training program CC yes and those are all held virtually 6:30 just got that plus after they having in Framingham do you know if that's at the Garden of the woods campus um I can try to find it one second yes it says Framingham yeah Garden in the woods wow good job I'm all about the mushroom you know that sounds like it but they have it's a nice campus they have all the EX all the different plant life they have a Vernal pool on site they have different species they you know even have planted invasives in that area so they can demonstrate what does etc it's it's a really nice place to go for a day for classes I mean that would be something good for you you know it's there's a lot of different stuff that they do down there thank you there's also a young professionals event coming up if anyone's interested yes there were two of them um yeah on the back of that F that you just gave me no that was something else okay the uh young professionals so they have a forest talk um the trees are telling us um that is September 12th between uh for 6 to 7 PM in Hadley the valley they'll have one in Hadley nice Y and then there's a PS and on the patio thing September 10th in EA pints and PPS I don't know I think it's just an excuse I'm in right Jessica you have a list of those different programs at Framingham it's there was just the one for mhcc I'm sure they have program programs on there every week right right when that you can pick and choose soils and just a lot of stuff yeah MC hosts a lot of different classes so depending on like what the the um topic is they're in different locations but um yeah if you guys are interested we you do have a training budget so and like an education type thing so when you go to something like at framing amam above and beyond what you'll get from an MACC frham is a far more intense they really have good instructors it's a good in a really nice setting I I've always gotten a lot more out of that than MC in Walden Woods I'm surprised they haven't sent anything out usually come fall time they do you might if I move on maybe let we go Circle back no 2.3 7 uh5 PM it's 56 notice 1050 son Road twb 202 4-19 and D number 308 0713 Robert Rob Rob Becker project is installation of seasonal dock in vitten pond Z One three 0713 it says it on the sheet yeah um 3 D yes sir I make motion to open the hearing a second Che me second roll call vote please James R James Gates yes C yes pursuant to the mass WPA and towns and wentland bylaws to the towns of pom will hold public hearing on Wednesday August 28th 2024 at approximately 7:55 p.m. the hearing will be held um via zoom and in person the town hall on a noi filed to the conom by Rob Becker the property is located at Fan Road C map 24 parcel 25 lot 3 the proposed project is for installation of seasonal duck in written Pond resources areas impacted by SE dock our bank and land underwater Pary wishing to speak in support of or in opposition to this application May doe so at the meeting or in writing prior to the meeting copies of the application are available for review at Town Hall during business hours um the DPS comments as follows commission should confirm if there is uh a bordering vegetated Wetland associated with the edge of the pond if if uh BBW is present and the structure is close to the ground shading the vegetation may be considered a as evw alteration and require replication is not the case uh the commission should request at least a sketch plan to scale showing the proposed lock location of the dock to include existing conditions and any proposed vegetation removal and or work within may be associated with the project as the site appears to be undeveloped is additional work proposed within the buffer zone to accommodate insulation and removal of the dock how will the seasonal dock be secur to either the bank or the Lu Jessica what's LW land underwater mind the applicant should include all work proposed to secure the dock as Mitten Pond is listed is a listed rate Pond any existing or proposed retaining walls steps or docks that fall within the mean annual high water line I structures is in contact with the water line during a typical Year may require chapter 91 license if not already acquired um so additional requirements just restate the chapter 91 license um I don't they must have just taken a satellite view that is what they do that is what they did for that Mr buer is here you don't mind I I file the pp thing without a photograph of the site so I didn't they didn't have context of that concrete or a house a house so but they can bring it right up on being but I photo said Thank You cont they Now understand and you demonstrated to us where it will be going up onto the bank above and beyond the concrete wall yeah yeah I saw yeah um I I forgot the part about how it's attached there two bolts on those concrete steps and hold it to the B while it's in water two screws that take it out at the end of the a did we get pictures of that seems a little complicated is that for the driftway policy those screws oh you're going to have to do some midles on it to get approval can't listen they made a comment about a dock going in on a pond and they didn't say anything about a 40 foot extension of a c who's going to full true true goes to T universityan engine and that's who you that's my older son son TS T my young son started be so is that the college labor operations that we there those are the two that loed I I love it tell me I have kids have sleeves this just proves me proves it from the nonprofit parental work operation you did you submit the drawing of the doc to the or to D just no they have all this I emailed everything that you have to them as well do you have any no sound good splash the holy water on it Jessica I'm good I make a motion to issue a stand conditions for 50 sa Road twb 20241 190 and d308 d713 second second roll call vote James D I say standard or conditions standard standard no negative no no uh so Jimmy second roll call vote James D yes James Gates yes f j yes once again thank you for come on coming in and letting us come up and I do know I with this approval I can now file the chapter 91 whichs dis approval to not through us the 91 goes through you to just well it says you may it doesn't mean you have to is that to conservation the we get a copy of it oh okay natur did you get did you ask me how or ask us how to do it Jessica gave me some did you get a copy of the D comments should have a cop yes he he was copied on that email yes so under the additional requirements is a work the is the is the link oh I've already started the filing I couldn't finish it because I need this approval to apply so when do you close out the the order condition that's finished the 91 is that like the C the horse I don't know so make a motion to close the hearing for sa Road twb 2024 190 D number 308 d713 second give me a second call vote please Jes yes James D James Gates yes yeah yes two jimbells on you're right it's too much thanks again appreciate it thank you on it is 85 have you been up on the pond for a FL leage yet when all the leaves change uh it's the best so we acquired the property uh October 1st last year so we're coming up on one year very spectacular class trip quality moving on to 3.1 um hey guys sorry I got to I got to hop off for Mom duties but I'll I'll catch tomorrow all right have a good one bye Jess I'm notna anything just create problems right good luck to everyone right I know what you gonna say 3.1 RDA request for determination of applicability 205 Smith weight you 202 24-87 applicants uh Ron and Lor steers representative is GPR Inc project is septic replacement within the 100 foot Wetland buffer and removal of several trees within the 35 foot W buffer so there is a there should be a waiver involved in this m because of that construction the trees are within the 35 all the ones in the back yes on it lost one of your colleagues what's that I heard you guys lost one of your cols yeah a coups back [Music] all right uh legal notice of of the mass WPA in towns and Wetland bylaws the toon will hold the work session on Wednesday August 28th 2024 during their 7M meeting the work session will be held um via zoom and in person town hall on a RDA filed with theom by Ron Lor steers the property is located at 20 Co Smith way assessor map 27 parel 38 um the proposed project to septic replacement within the 100 foot quaring vegetated Wetland buffer and the removal of several trees within the local 35 foot buer parties wishing to speak in support of or in opposition to this application may do so at a meeting or in writing prior the application available at Town Hall during business hours um you know there was a waiver submitted jimil goldi Preston ringwell um can you say that again slowly sure sorry um for the record Jim basil gold smith Preston ringwell um on behalf of Robin Lorie steers um as far as a waiver I was not aware of any wer being filed was that something that came in uh was noted after we submitted the app that that is missing or I don't know is doing Mommy duties the labor is an existent ongoing for the whole project is of houses just the trees just the trees just the trees you want to take down in the back be specific on that all right with the way Now isn't that separate to this septic approval or do the trees need to be removed for us to give the sub no it was part of the same the request for Det termination of applicability okay okay so it's within the buffer is one two three four five six where's the corner of the house up here and and that is where we walk down y came down here and that's in the 35 yes these are all in that's the 35 going this way yes and they're all in the 35 um all except for one this one and this one and that one oh absolutely and was there a justification to the removal of the trees was it for encroachment on of in other words is there a mold problem is there a possibility of trees falling out branches endangering the children there usually is going to have to be some verbal because of the power washer gets a lot of use because of the mold so build so in other words we're not allowing enough sun to come in there's a mold Bild issue and alies are growing on it okay all right and and what were the homeowners supposed to be here to explain to us right so I kind just got thrown into it way it looks he's got the floor I can give a quick overview the project you guys already kind of did a great job doing it but um so uh on behalf of the applicant we prepared a RDA for proper Point C way for work within the Wetland buffer Zone the property contains the single family dwelling Associated driveway mix of grass area wooded areas with the Wetland area and the rear of the property and that projects the 35 foot 50 foot 100 foot buffer zones um as you guys had already mentioned the branches and the trees are just encroaching pretty closely on the rear of the of the dwelling uh causing some issues with mold and uh the owners are looking to get those removed some to remain in place also within the buffer zone there's a um proposed leeching area to be installed in the front I think the 100 foot foot and that's in the same general location as the existing leeching area uh following the sidewalk we revised the plan so that the um erosion control barrier was extended to better encircle the U proposed leaching area and uh once the leeching area has been installed that'll be area will be bom in seed um but um reminder Title Five is exemp from certain aspects of the wp on this particular project any any subject replacement not original system was what it wasn't a you're putting in Presby in the one that filled was a what system chamber yeah I think it was a chamber system and I assume it's identical to what was done at 18 is that the next and we're doing the same type of a repair on 20 yeah well sorry what do you mean are you doing a complete system you're asking we're just doing the upper subsoil and we doing the tub it was Presby next door this one the Presby chn next door I don't know I think it CH they put in and okay got you of I was just kindy of look for the soils we second sheet should be y corner fill okay so that isn't a pres going it's G to be standard Health roves now that we can discuss the design of the actual system I always you know oil so I think I'm more concerned about the rate of failure on those under a 10year period Well I approved those 11 years ago those new septic installations on this board and they're already in front of me again in failure keep an eye on now they've already done two and there was others I think down there last year y yeah so yeah um so again yeah C do you have any questions or concerns no but sound like a mess with all those houses you they're going have to do all that they don't know if they have to do all of them have to do but these two particulars 18 and 20 failed you know and this isn't because of the title five in they selling the house right they are because they failed and they need to be read done so we do we know if all of them had the same type of septic put in that's a border of Health question correct you could probet that out of Jimmy or Carla but I think they do mean Rick yeah that's direct you to anyway right I don't know um so you have anything else like no no that's for another day I just let it be know noted that I find it little concerning that we're seeing failures in the subject system in 10 years I have a house that the septic system was done 90 years ago and it's still working just like it was the first day besides that area do we know of other areas in towns where they failed from the same person putting them in no no again that would be a of Health question um this particular project we gave them a great amount of leway to put them in yep size bonding and it look what happened the town still ended up having to pave the road so one of the things I noticed is the stumps are going to remain for the trees if anything they can stump gr them down to surface level if they the stump and I I don't they don't need the I'm comfortable they're not huge trees they're trees that owner still has the ability to stum grind them down to ground L not within the 35 buffer surface grinding with stum grinding non-invasive sure well something are going to remain so we're not oh so stumps are going I'm of that what just six so there's there are eight trees total they're all smaller right right it's just these two that are in the 35 the other the six are in the these two are not oh these are in the 35 jimy yes you started to say something well I was thinking about because even though you cut them down stuff The Roots still grow so I mean I can understand that you can't take stumps out but it's a shame because they start coming up on the ground and everything I know because they ping that problems now the tree won't necessarily go back in in the stump when it once it's cut off St on that one need to come to my house you you'll have some after growth of some of the tree it's not necessarily the tree growing back it's the big huge roots that come from it like because I go to Mo every year it's coming further and further on the ground I got to lift the lever on M so not the blades don't hit and that's where all the trees I had cut down are doing the same thing well they're not going to be putting grass back there um safy environment calls for I make a motion to issue a three determination on this project um um motion no I made the motion looking for a second second second you're gonna go with negative3 negative3 okay you second that okay James R yes well is there a discussion first no so James yes James Gates yes yes thank you thank you very much for your time thank you yes sure is that going to be there's no sign off on that one right right here after the meeting so Jessica will let you know when he's already and Ma someone can pick them up perfect thank you thank you very much all right let's keep this going let there was no way [Music] around right um 3.2 what 3.2 uh request for determination of applicability uh 30 Shirley Road twb 20241 186 Erica Williams and Jason higher um sorry if I put that um project is for removal of trees and installation of fence within the 100 foot Wetland buffer um they had the area you s wa oh Jessica ask me to bring you to thank you this yeah because the what she printed out was black and white yeah I had the same problem for a minute I had to figure out how to get it to come out color but this thank you and I think we can really simplify this by what I decided to change it the change and that's well it's going to be a good change I'm moving that what's in this yeah yeah that's the one that I printed out for you you can see it much better I want to start by asking a question we don't have to talk about anything that's not in the 100 foot but barer or buffer right everything outside the 100 foot buffer doesn't matter right well I'm not going to say it doesn't matter but it's not within our jurisdiction not in size everything from here down we don't have to talk about everything from this line over don't worry about it all we're talking about is right here from the pink line to the white line hi Matt Matt that might Sol this um did you review this the scope clarification before we dive into it um yeah actually Jessica provided it to me about 40 minutes ago okay um so I did have a chance to read it yes okay so I'll I'll just read it um clarify the scope uh between 35 and 100 foot buffer zone 30 to 40 trees will be removed that are damaged or dying these trees are will all be chipped and spread in the backyard where there's no grass inside the area that will be known as inside the fence line for the trees that are removed some will be ground uh within the 35 ft buffer only a tree that is damage will be removed um trees have already fallen in the area if a danger will have them removed and chipped with the rest outside the 100 foot buffer can't fence will be erected inside of the 100 foot we buffer zone but outside the 35t buffer um as depicted by the pink line in Stakes on our second site visit marked such uh this area the white line on the overview and will be called inside the fence L shed will be placed in the uh back corner inside the fence line within the 100 foot buffer but outside the 35 foot other landscape projects they outside the one for foot buffer but I'm pretty sure you're going to have to go through the 100 foot buffer to Kit I think your scaling off it probably is but I have to I have to miss the leech field for the septic tank but I'm going to put it as close to it as I humanly can as away from that back wet land as I can get okay I'm going to measure it once that stuff is cleared out of my way I'm going to try and get it as close to 100 feet or out of it as I can get it um you're not expecting all the wood chips to be left on site right because that's a lot well we have a bunch of areas in the front that's out of the buffer zone too that we're gonna dump them over there too I mean I'm not goingon to create a mountain if that's a Jurassic you know that's a lot but say right where the uh right behind the RV there too that we going uh we're going to fill up as well we're going to try to use as much there as possible what doesn't get used yes that will be removed from site or be given away for to yeah I'm gonna put a big sign for front for where you sew the pile when you came out I'm gonna let people have it want it and then we're going to uh we are going to uh replant other trees as well I just want to get rid of the ones that are dead you guys have all seen them they're uprooting themselves they're disgusting and I don't want them to fall in my house or my neighbor's house so let's get rid of them all one shot start new Matt yes sir um please add anything that may be pertinent to this um again I I do think that you're or Matt you've better look at this map that was does mat have a copy of this does he know what we're looking at he got it okay um again guys this is just me sort of kind of showing you where things are gonna go I know it's not I tried to like am I able to share my screen uh Harley can you give Matt a screen sharing please will'll do hold on please but you guys okay should be able mat you should be able to screen share right now hold on the first one yes because originally all of this okay I'm just saying gonna go there Matt let see if that works okay so I hopefully you can see the oo photo of the site yes okay so the area here let me just get rid of this forer the area here that is heavily shaded right here is actually the Wetland area that I delineated it actually is pretty close to what's on the map which is unusual um I know that I was out a couple of days ago with Jessica and chair to review the line the line was pretty obvious as to where it is my measurements I know we had the 35 foot Zone marked off by tape my measurements of the buffer zone would indicate that starting from here's the driveway it starts basically here at the corner and about this way right here like this so if they stockpile any of the material on site and they did it up in this area right here it would be out of the buffer zone entirely I was thinking that corner is right there would be out of it is that where the shed is that's where the shed is now what do you mean the the new shed yep the new shed is now is where I'm going to put it which I believe is far enough away there from that back 100 foot that back Wetland because that Wetland goes back way back back there on that side so the shter on your plan is that existing or proposed that's the one that we erected now that's the one that we put up to a place as we speak as we speak though right now it lives here though we're moving line I've drawn on the screen that's 101 feet from the edge of watland right there and that's where I want to put it because I think I'll be just outside that 100 foot but the shed will be inside the 100 foot but the everything else won't be the only thing will be on there is the sh so the the shed that's in the back corner is proposed ship yes that's the proposed still 35 foot from the Wetland well outside the 35 with yeah outside the 35 where it lives now is where the pond is depicted now that's where it lives now is where you're seeing the pond that's where the shed lives now okay and we want to move it back and then we have that area which I know it looks break in the picture I'm just trying to show you what I meant put the pond the fire pit next to it and put the papers around it right there in that corner so it's gonna be moved you gonna moving it yeah yep there right to inside the fence line that back corner because again I was originally going to put all this stuff on the other side which is closer to the Wetland I'm going to move it up to the opposite side of the property completely away as far as I can get from that Wetland your area say that one more time hold on Jason so originally my plan was to put all this stuff over here I moved it to the other side so I can try and get it out of the buffer the only thing the only the only thing is I have to move that shed into the buffer by doing that that's the only thing I have to do is get that shed back here if I can move that shed backwards that whole area where the shed lives now I can put my little Pond my little fire pit my papers and it should be outside your 100 foot range because I moved it all the way over there the only thing I can't do is put the pond in the whe field it has to for reach field before we can put it down because I have a feeling that's going to cause a problem with the septic so I got to get just past it and then I can put it right there when you say p there I have a little form it's like this bigas Tu plastic tub little plastic tub I'm gonna put in for the Ducks I'm not talking about building a swim thing here guys removing that big fire pit you guys saw because I think that is enormous over and making it like a quarter of the size right next to it yeah we're gonna we're just G to make one of the ones do uh consider round and unfortunately the deck you saw it had to come down it's all rotten and I already talked to the building inspector in that department for that it's got to be rebuil yeah that thing had to go come completely out because it was as we were ripping it up just rotted okay so we already took care of that like I said the P the know thing that was there before we took it all down we're just going to reuse those favers right at the base of the deck I I got real listen I'm tired Just J I think the easiest way to say is the only thing that affects the wetlands at this point is moving the shed in that corner taking down those trees and putting the fence through it that's everything else I'm going to do my damnest to keep it out of it yes um can you pull up your screen again the what do we get out of that he was able to draw the line of the the buffer give me one pull this over here can you guys see that yep so here is the wling is here so how far off the house is [Music] that that would be about 60 6465 ft give or take 20 all right so call it about to be on the safe side what we want to do is lit right there that's 60 would be a fair number but the right but the septics on that side of the house so all the traffic's going to go through the so the entire septic sets right right here so all the traffic all the moving is going to happen to the left side of the the yeah the driveway and across the front of have that backyard into it other words through yep from the driveway up and then across back and forth facing the house to the left of it avoiding any disruption to the neighbors in the Su area yep and away from the Wetland we're going to try and stay right behind the house as close as we can now what kind of wetland would you describe that what kind of yeah so I would describe it as a forested emergent Wetland um bordering an intermittent stream didn't see anything perennial in the area matter of fact any stream flows I saw in that area were pretty dried up never SE water there as long as I've Liv there not once and I would tell you if I did you guys haven't lived there that long almost two years it's not long enough to understand some of the characteristics of the water in the area Pat you have this area does retain water this area will retain water and allow it to be released slowly back into the environment um so it does have the interests of um water quality and flood control as well as the you know the obvious wildlife habitat considerations on the area behind it P it has the ability to scoll slowly East during the summer mhm you can tell by the the soil color and some of the root stying then it does rise up and get Fair flow coming down through it at moments and times and years at times I'll take a picture when it happens never seen it yet what's that so I've never seen it but I'll take a picture when I see some water in there even when we have a Down or it still dries out it feels like the water likes to go down away from it and just soak out all that area around it like that whole forested area is always just drenched it's soggy there's a lot of mold back there and spores because it's just always wet and there's no sunlight because there's so many trees it's also a mosquito Farm like I said guys I took what you said to heart I figured out the best way to get it as far away as I can get it while still getting what I need to be in there I'm not trying to be a pain I know you think I am do you want to see a revisit on this or you want to roll on this tonight um you and Jessica are out there this week yeah with Matt um Arrow no if you and Matt and J are out there I'll step away from this you guys were over with it I didn't hear you didn't say come on with the engineer I didn't hear anything about it so you know it is what it is I anything about it I didn't know you guys are going no it it was just to confirm oh to see what I had the wetlands delineated you basically went out there you wanted to see how the flagging was for the 35 foot no despair it was and as you remember when I walked it when I went it was right there with 35 ft 35t we've walked a million of them yep so there's nothing all surprises in that regard but what when I was out there on that particular the sidewalk 40 trees were not being discussed in removal it was limited yes but now we got to move everything out to move the shed backwards it's the only way we're going to be able to do it and keep the rest of it out of the wetlands it's not my point my point is that when we originally went on on the S sidewalk so x amount of trees we've gone up from I think 15 now to 40 from the sidewalk that's all I'm saying the 30 to 40 also includ the ones there's also ones outside the 100 foot buffer there's ones in front of the house that but Jessica told me to count all of them yeah so right I mean which is standard operating Deion now we need to a number of the the trees so so okay so you you would um increase the amount of trees three times we saw at the S can I say this we're never gonna get to doing anything can you stop you don't get to just unfortunately we have to follow the rules and the rules have you have to address the chair I know sometimes it's silly but I I'll get an email tomorrow say reminding me of the you know standing Opera procedures proper meter meeting form so I I have to make sure I just we keep this all red and tight let me repeat what I heard from you you would like another s sidewalk to see all to see the trees I'm not necessarily asking for another Salk alls I'm making it aware of to every bu El Pat I think Pat was going there too did you did you go out on that side Pat I don't remember no okay you missed that one yeah you had a because my son your son had it doesn't matter but when we increase the amount of trees from what was originally demonstrated and showed to me at that s sidewalk by 30 more than the 10 or 12 we were looking to remove at that point in time is a big difference I would rather just briefly go there get a better scope of the amount of trees getting removed I would have liked to been privy to when you guys went down to look at that just to remove the 35 foot but you know that's all I'm saying I just think there's a a lot more trees being removed from what was originally discussed this is getting moved from there you know up up it it is a small little containment Pond yet yet but there's been enough changes in what I'm seeing right now from what it was at that sidewalk that's all maybe I need to just go out there meet the homeowner look at the extra amount of trees that are being removed so I have a better perspective on it but at this point in time with that much more tree removal I'm not going to budge Pat what are your thoughts and you could yeah I mean feed off what he said too I don't it is a lot more trees that I'm hearing and so you know I personally would like to go to gy just to see what are the trees you know from where the 15 or how many they said in the beginning to the ones that they need to take down now I mean just to move a shut or whatever but that seems like a lot of trees just do that and we're near the 35 the houses went within the 100 from the corner that's yeah the Mr chairman if I may yes sir okay so it sounds to me like two of the three of you want to go do another s sidewalk to review the amount of trees because of the change in the scope from what you originally heard am I correct from the original s sidewalk we have gone three4 more of the amount of trees within the 100 foot buffer being removed okay so I think the the the the most painless way to solidify this is to invest another couple of weeks continue this meeting and if we want to schedule s sidewalk I will also appear on behalf and go over the areas we can talk about impacts or lack thereof but what I will also do as part of my service to my clients is Will Mark out which trees are gonna come down and I will make a list of what trees I just don't remember seeing that many marked they should be marked listen to the other Commissioners I'm only one vot everyone has an equal vote um would you continue on please sir Matt did you hear Contin I was gonna say I can I can you know we can do a S sidewalk take a look at the area and I can for the next meeting provide the commission with a list of trees that are in the buffer zone and the amount of trees that are out of the buffer zone um species height you know approximate height because like can't get up into do an approximate measure but I can give you you know a bdh you know um you know the diameter and the species and if there's if I see general you know the general condition for example if I see trees that are bug infested or trees that are split by lightning Etc um we can get all that listed down so that everybody's clear on what they're being removed for and why because I think there are actually um some good reasons why some of the trees should be removed some of the trees I saw definitely had insect issues that were evolving um pretty rapidly so and if you have trees out there that have had lightning stripes that cluded you know we have open water into them and we know there're Center roded Etc yeah I mean Common Sense remove the trees I'm going to go right back to my original point from what we saw originally to where we are now we've increased 3/4 and I'm not going to prove something that all of a sudden we're going to cut 15 to 12 Trees now we're at 40 i' like to see him marked so we know really what we're looking at as where as the Tre and as mat said he can meet us out there he'll have all the trees marked he'll use D due diligence on what the species is how big it is from you know is it a 10 inch 20 30 is this tree in L of falling is this good I for some reason I really would like to see the justification of that many more trees being removed in that area it's it's 35 within the 100 there in the other area of the property is endangered species also that was um something I was going to bring up um and you know GNA make comments about C fishy this no they this was at the surprise so DP comments were um it's mapped as priority habitat there may be a filing requirement under Mass Endangered Species Act Matt that's to the back side of it it's a SE are but I I think Matt's that's professional and yeah he'll Enlighten us much better we need to know if it's um proof is on the African correct always can I a question Matt can I ask you a question all the trees I pointed out to you and all the time you've been out there all the ones we were talking about do you believe that like I do that they're all damaged disease and need to go and need to be replanted with something that's healthy that was one of the reasons why I said let's go out there and take a look at them because we can talk about it but you have two of the three members that haven't seen those and want to see them so while I agree with you let's show the membership exactly what we're talking about so everybody is clear um with that but here's my issue my my two issues are this one the season is getting away from me and number two that that back one that's right behind the house every time we have a thunderstorm I fear that big branch is going to come down on my roof and I can't bring the tree guy out to bring down one tree one day they don't work like that it's got to be one time they go out there and do it once so that one tree is why I keep kind of pushing back because I really want it down I really every time it sways back and forth understanding you're adamant to getting the job done understand two weeks two weeks two weeks I mean we started this July 17th not you started off with x amount of trees you've escalated started with any trees we said we want to take down trees in our backyard my my position STS I also tell you guys I'm not exactly sure and I even wrote it in my original RDA exactly what you wanted me to say and how you wanted me to say it I go by Arbor I go by people like Matt he tells me the guys who look in the trees tell me they're dead they're you know infected with insects they got branches coming down I'm listening to them they're telling me these trees are no good to me I'd rather put healthy trees up that'll be better for the environment that these dead things that I don't think are doing anything for the environment they're dead they're full of unless we're housing bugs and we're happy about that like they're saying you know Madre with me they're infested with bugs that's why I thought that's why we thought maybe it was better to take those trees down and plant trees that actually are healthy which is why I want to get everything that's dead inside that fence line right now and one fail Shoop and then I can start fresh with all that dead crap out of there I don't know if exactly 30 I want I went High to make sure that I wouldn't forget any you know what I mean so I wouldn't miss any while we did it you know what I mean so you're saying 30 this says High number 30 okay so like I said it could be less but I don't want to miss one and say nope I didn't get it or I forgot it as a board or Commission of this town we need to be mindful of liabilities of granting permits we also need to be mindful of the state's requirements both the town bylaw um and regulation requirements we went from some some trees which we looked they had lived their life absolutely and I understand putting a higher number but 35 to 40 trees we have two Commissioners that want to put eyes on it and I vote for now because very SC Quest and I just you know just to cover everybody um you it's really important you were lucky to be able to get Matt out there when you did we did we've seen in the past it take a lot longer than a couple weeks yeah yeah but at that point I have the law on my side where it says if a tree falls on my house that's where the you the uh homeowners goes after the state if I if I didn't take the tree down and I was told I could not do it we're not you can't do it we said that at the last meeting you but that's why we keep getting misunderstanding that you're telling us to wait because you want to see it but then you're telling me we can this is where we don't understand because you can take down the tree that's not the problem it's the problem of all the tree and it's also all the other parts of the project that we understand stuff changes you're you're adapting the project part of the process is adapting the project to better fit the regulations the bylaws in the WPA which I thought I did a good job by doing that that way you did but it has changed from when they were or Pat didn't TR us but Jimmy did on the original sidewalk it has changed since then sorry it is on us as a commission to vote on things that we're comfortable with and they're not comfortable voting on it yet I I can't you know even if I make a motion and someone seconds it it's a two to one vote it's still gonna there there you can't you can't Matt had we worked with Matt in the past he's very straightforward he's straight to the point he'll be able to quantify this so that the next when we go out for another site visit it would be easier for us to understand that there's just a bunch of jumping around and we can't make a decision like that it's it's irresponsible to as commissioner to make this is a big responsibility for us and I know you guys want to get done frustrated we're sorry we we try really hard to make a lot of these projects transparent so that people can get this stuff done that they if it's a safety reason if it's a health reason AC septic um for protection of your property you truly don't feel safe with that tree and standing We're not gonna sit there and say we're finding you $500 cut it down but to do this properly so that it it is done so that if this ever was to rear its head again the state comes after us or you it would they go after you before us we can see we did our due diligence Matt did his due diligence on this project so you can Ian I understand because those C more usually take one tree and take you know maybe you know of somebody that's a friend that does trees I could cut that for you this Tre is so big I I don't think anybody I know who not a professional going to T to that's that's we don't need Noe Pat Pat Pat is trying to make you feel warm and fuzzy because obviously I'm not in he isn't thank you Pat So within the we have the next meeting is September 11th Matt try to make all the sites if you guys can and Jessica will coordinate as Jessica needs to be there she's the one that is our admin right now because we don't have an agent in the town I don't even know if they posted it no thank you Jimmy for running my night it's what it said to me when I looked at it like yeah it is what it is Dan you know so next week or in next week's a short week um but get out there maybe middle of next week or the following week before the meeting to look at it m can quantify the request you know we understand we appreciate you moving the stuff around in the yard to better accommodate that Puffer that you unfortunately own so can I just say this if you guys come out next week we've opened two site visits I can't control who comes to them so if I do it on September 11 everybody's going to show up who wants to see it on whatever day that was September 11 get before that and then but then we can't we can't then have we can't have to wait to have the meeting again right the 11th and we have to wait Jessica said another week after the meeting to get the Department so we're looking at the mid to late September now which is another be get them on their way right at the 11 12 should or the next it would be the next day the next day which why I meant the 12th right so at the 11th meeting after we've seen this been I mean unfortunately it's a two- week period in between meetings I I by no means it's not my Char hold anybody's project up we went from x amount of trees to x amount of trees and I'm not comfortable with that I've done this a lot of years it's bitten us before I'm not g to have that happen on my watch it actually it happened two years ago on Tyler Road someone said that going to take down some trees and next thing we know we have a retaining wall yeah so we have to step in a cautious manner it isn't our our makeup to hold people up that's foolish we it's not you we're normal people too but when you went from this to that it deviated in a large amount of tree removal I want to see I mean I can pick out a battery just as quick as the best ARS in town so we can get out there we'll take a it'll be quickly evaluated we'll get you in at the 11th the 12th you can move on stuff I have a quick question I thought same so if let's just say the arura says the Tre is dead who let's say Matt says the Tre is dead who is certified to say that but Jim says tre's not dead do we still have who who wins that battle does the AR know that there's no battle it's it's quantifying the you know know Jimmy's not going to sit there and say well that tree is not dead you can't cut it down I didn't really see any dead trees but I saw some trees that weren't helping but that's what I mean we're not gonna it's just a does that make sense what I what you said it's a real question you know is there gonna be a back and forth jimy you you're no interested in having a back ultimately I'm not the one that's going to make the final decision on whether that tree stays or that tree goes so I think he's asking who does don't interrupt me I'm getting back to the simple fact when I went out on that sidewalk it was discussed x amount of trees from there it's gone up to 30 more trees than we originally looked at and discussed end of story there's no more to be explained in that nothing more than that so this a site visit will be scheduled prior to the next me Matt if you could please reach out to Jessica to schedule it and we can um continue this RDA to the September 11th meeting I will put it on my calendar um immediately in fact I'm doing it right now thank you Matt thank you Matt would that that said um items for the next meeting we're going to vote for Fosters we are going to hear this RDA hopefully for the last time final time um will and I'll wait to hear froma Jessica yes man will coordinate that we'll get out there take another review of it and if you want could reach out to Jessa if there are any days that don't work so you can figure it out with her yeah yeah for sure we'll make sure we both get on the same page get right so uh the next meeting is Wednesday September 11th and the 25th 2024 at 7M border SE chamber second floor meeting will also be held uh on Zoom um it is 900m and I motion that we adour our meeting JY thank you thank you James br James