Starting with Mike. Mike pres. >> James pres. >> James Gates present. Pres [Music] of America. To the republic it stands. One nation under God, indivisible,
liberty and justice for all. This meeting is being recorded. Is anyone else reporting chairman's additions and or deletions? We are going to remove 3.1 and postpone it to the next
meeting on October 8th. 1.5 chair chair report I have nothing to report that won't be covered in the agent report did you have any minutes for us to review >> I will focus on
[Music] next meeting. >> What was that, Kobe? I couldn't hear you. >> Uh, we're a little bit behind on the multiple meeting. >> Did you reach out to Mrs. GMO about the meeting? Did you
email her? >> She did. Thank you. 1.7 agent report. We need to go over the agent report last meeting here. Um >> doing what you have. That'd be great.
>> You want to just go over the most current things? >> Um you have it readily available for the last one. [Music] our sign off for the board of health from last week.
>> Okay. >> Sorry, two weeks ago. We do have some from the current. >> Okay. Just going through your report. >> As far as building department sign offs,
we had 82 Bay Hill Road. Uh they are putting in a new septic system. There are no weapons involved there road and there's no wetland involved with that. There was one
for 29 green that's in the folder there. Mike and Mike and I did a site visit there and there are there's a wetland buffer on the property but it's outside of
>> Mike. Okay. >> Contractor. >> Yes. >> I think what was this site again >> by the dump? Yeah, he had to relocate the well. Well,
>> is this tossis? >> Yeah. >> Sean said he took out of the industrial and put it in the residential. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> There's a new ANR for about that. So, I put it on the sidewalk. >> It wasn't really a formal sitewalk.
>> It wasn't. No, it was just an idea. >> We'll see if it responds. jump right into our hearing. 1 0 Adams Road notice of intent TWWB 2025-06. >> Mr. Chair, I must recuse myself.
>> All right, you can go. I'm going to finish reading um TWWB 2025-006 uh D number 308-0723. >> That's for two That's for Adams Road. They have the D number.
>> Yep. It just came in this afternoon at >> Could you shoot that out again? 3080723. >> Will I read everything? You would like to read comments from here down. >> You're not going to read them out loud for audience.
>> We can. Okay. Give you some processing time, but >> um >> I went on the sidewalk so I got an idea. approximately um start appointments approximately 7:15
is now 7:11. Proposed project is the construction of a single family dwelling walkway, driveway, retaining wall and subsurface sewage disposal system within a 100 foot buffer. Make a motion to open the hearing at
7:12 p.m. Is there a second? Second >> um roll call vote starting with Mike. >> Mike says yes. >> James yes. >> James Gates. Yes. >> Pursuant to the mass uh WPA and towns
and wetland bylaws, towns and conservation commission will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, September 24th at approximately 7:30 will be question. >> Yeah, the the legal ad says 7:30 agenda says 7:15
and I'm starting at no 712. >> Well, that's because we removed 71. >> Okay. So at approximately close enough. Uh the hearing will be held via Zoom um and also in person at town hall on a notice of intent filed with the uh
compound as TWWB 2025-00006. Tully. The property is located at zero Adams Road map 27 parcel 33 lot zero. The proposed project is for the construction of a single family dwelling deck, walkway, driveway, retaining wall, and subservice sewage system within a
100 foot wetland buffer. Parties wishing to speak in support of or in opposition to this application may do so at the meeting or in writing prior to the meeting. Copies of this application are available for review at town hall during just hours. [Music]
We have the little green cards for the mailer for confirmation that the butter receives. >> You haven't certified this. I have the others. All right. That's the list. That's the list.
>> Okay. >> We don't have the green. >> No, >> you don't have the green yet. >> No. >> What? What is that postage stamp on that code? >> That's the notification >> that it was sent not returned.
>> So, these are the abas that they that you sent them out to. You have now at this point not received back any notification from the above about the meeting. >> No, this is it. This is what instead of the green cards and who will the green cards you >> That's what I wanted to hear. We've
changed it now. >> I guess >> we changed it since we don't we're not going to be receiving green cards. It will be this format now. >> This is of mailing certified mailer. >> Yeah.
when it's new. I question it for a minute. I know guys and representing Barbie, sorry. Uh, joining us tonight. Do you mind introducing yourself? And >> Hi everyone, my name is Moren Harold
from Environmental Services. Here with me tonight is Kent Teldy. He is the applicant. So, as the chairman mentioned, we filed a notice of intent with the commission to construct a single family dwelling that
septic system that will be serviced by town water. Uh the lot >> my the lots on the corner of Adams and Highland Street. Um, I passed out to the commission full size plans in case you
want to look at it in front of you. Um, the green line represents the BW. >> Purple line represents the 35 foot st I can see what she's going to be. I can follow it. Mike got his colored lines which I'm sure
>> No, I didn't I didn't I didn't do the color. >> No, but you got them >> as you asked. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. powering. >> The magen is a 50 foot and yellow is the
100 foot zone. >> Um we do have a flood plane that's located um at the rear of the lot. It's designated as zone A. There's no determined elevation from FEMA.
>> So the this would been from the updated flood plan from FEMA. >> That is correct. But because it changed this year, Kobe, the beginning of >> Yes, sir. All the flood plane maps were updated in June or July, and this is the current updated >> because it was so recent, I didn't know
for Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Not a problem. Um, there has been some discussion and communication between myself and Kobe and the design engineer regarding a perennial string.
Um, if one square mile or larger, it can be considered. I passed out the USGS total map to you folks. This stream is not shown on the
USGS to map. >> It is not >> It is not shown at all. It's not shown as perennial. It's not shown as intermittent. It's not shown at all. Um but stream staff was run at
approximately at at the culbert the 36 30 in on Highland Road. You can run stream stats and it was run and stream said that the
watershed is 1.03 or 1.02 02 square miles because it was just over the one square mile threshold. I requested the design engineer to take a look at it because the stream's not shown on the USGS total
map >> especially because >> right in my past experience if the stream is not shown on the USGS total map stream stats isn't always accurate. That's been my past experience. The design engineer took a look at
everything. Flip this over and discovered the yellow is the lot. We have Highland Street. Here we have Adam's Road. So when stream stats calculated the watershed, it said that this whole area
here is the water meaning that the stream ran from north to south >> and it had calculated this area as a washed. When the design engineer took a look at
the area and overlaid the USGS topographic map and calculated the watershed, it came out to 41 square miles. And instead of the stream running from north to south, running this way,
it was discovered the stream runs the opposite way. And it actually makes sense because when I was out there looking at the stream >> when it was flowing, >> no, it was not flowing. >> I had to ask the question because now
it's >> right. >> Discovery says what was running this way now is running that way. But what's interesting about it, and I can understand the confusion with stream stats and and just the confusion in general, is the stream.
It's so shallow the gradient that even when I was walking through the stream channel, I was which way is this running? Because it was so gradual and there was really no pitch to it. It was
just one of those like low gradient type channels. And to kind of back up his information, I pulled the latest and greatest. >> I just Kobe, you weren't able to find
there was there's no verbiage that it is intermittent or nothing. It was that it was declared there is no declaration of what that flow is considered. >> No. So, so what the wetland protection
act says >> is that a stream that's shown as in demand on the USGS map >> is presumed to be in demand. Now, this stream isn't even shown. A stream that's shown as perennial is presumed to be
perennial as shown on the USGS map. And it's a matter of the thickness of the blue lines on the USGS map. So if it's a thin blue line, it's in demand. If it's a thick blue line, it's perimeter. Okay,
we don't have any lines that as you see from the topo map that I I gave you. Regardless of that, if an intermittent stream has a watershed one square mile
or larger, it it's considered perimeter >> due to the potential of volume due to the due to the area >> due no due to the watershed. So it's how much of the watershed raised to the stream. If you have at least one square
mile of a watershed area, then it can be considered perennial. >> Falling comes with size, >> right? So, >> inevitability. >> We took a look at the latest
>> and greatest >> latest and greatest. Okay, this site right here, this is our site. This is Adam's Road. This is Highland Street. And I can bring this over to you so you can see it. But this says
tributary a line to the Squanook River. The Squanakook River flows over here. >> Oh yeah. But if you remember on Meadow Road, we just had this problem >> on Meadow Road or a Shafers.
>> Oh yeah. Oh, >> do a 401 >> water quality. >> That was 88 meadow road, right? >> Yeah. >> That and he has since Okay, >> we're listening though. >> We understand it.
>> Okay, this is tributary. I I wanted to show the area kind of beside it because of course, you know, not everything can be on one map and be super easy.
This is Highland Street here. I'm going to kind of match it up. This blue zone A is an extension of this. So what I wanted to show the commission was that this watershed does not extend further
south and continue to the Squanica River. >> It does not. >> It does not. >> And I can bring this over so you can actually see it yourself. And this is just additional
documentation to support what the engineer has found. >> Do you mind if I Adam's Road Highland Street? Here are your glasses. Tributary A1 to the Squan Cookook River.
Here's the Squan Cookook River. It's shown as a zone A 293.7. [Music] It eventually all flows in this direction. Flows this way and then flows in that direction.
>> So up here we actually further up here. right here was determined to be a tributary of this chronic. >> Now you're looking
on metal road. >> Yeah. Which we thought was crazy. >> So this is what the engineer and this we provided this to Kobe again. Highland Street Adams Road. This is the site and
we have elevations of 301, 302, 300, 299, 298, 296, 295, 293. >> Yeah. And that all makes sense. There's old meeting houses over here and that goes up. >> Correct. >> And this is
>> so in other words, these numbers are relative >> right foot over hundreds of feet. It's extremely dry. >> So that's where the confusion of when you were in that dry bed area, you
it was hard to define where you could see like a leaf being caught and flowed that way. >> Right. >> So when >> doesn't happen often >> when I flagged it, it was full of water and and this was in the springtime, but after Kobe had emailed me his finding
with stream stats, >> it was dry. >> I It was bone dry. >> Bone dry. Yeah, >> it was also level two drought >> which was just declared a week ago, two weeks ago >> and they backdated six weeks.
>> Oh, they >> Yeah, >> they can backdate it six weeks. >> The state has a funny way of doing that. >> I keep forgetting they can do whatever they want. >> They can make the rules up as we should make rules up as we go here, too. So,
I can understand Kobe's concern and I appreciate your communication. That was super helpful. Um, but our findings is that the stream does not flow from north to south and it
flows the opposite way. >> And the drainage area >> your arrow of course. >> Yeah. The drainage area was calculated by the professional engineer to be 041 square miles which is less than the one
square mile threshold for an intimate stream to be considered per >> good discovery on that. That helps us immensely on that. >> So have these findings been sent to D? >> They sure have.
>> Let's follow up with >> and I think we should read the the comments >> in the record. Do you mind reading comments? >> Can I uh >> is was that reaction from their
response? >> You got it. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh so comes from the department of environmental protection and they say they want to say again the project has been assigned the following file number 080723
issuance of a file number indicates only completeness of submittal not approval of application. Although a file number is being issued please note the follow the plans depict an approximate location of flood plane line that appears to be an estimate and does not follow any
elevation contour. While the work proposed appears to be outside of this resource area, the plan of record should not reflect estimates as accurate uh delineation lines. Ordering land subject to flooding
related to the area labeled zone A on mass map should have its base flood elevation determined in the limits of BLS should be depicted as corresponding elevation. Supplemental information supplied by the applicant states there
is no base flood elevation. However, all flood lanes have a base flood elevation and it should be depicted at the accurate elevation. Due to the complexity and significant discrepancy in the wershed calculations between stream sets and the applicants engineer,
massp recommends a third party review. uh CMGL chapter 44 section 53G. If work is determined to be in riverfront area, the applicant will need to supply the riverfront area multiplier to the fee uh split between the
commission and the mast alteration to river area riverfront area quantification narrative on how the project applies with 10.584 and inadequate alter alternatives analysis that explores meaningful
alternatives that meet performance standards. Uh the question where does the stream channel in relation to the limit of work recommends the commission refrain from closing the hearing until revised materials are received by the commission
in rest. >> Okay. So >> sincerely >> did did it sincerely though regard >> I don't think I get it sincerely.
>> Okay. So on that. I'm sorry. >> Now, let me um first address the flood plane. Okay. So, um Miss Ross's statement regarding flood plane is that we need to
show a contour. >> This was Kim Ros. >> Yes. >> And it's not that we don't want to show a contour or label a contour as a 100redyear flood plane watering land subject to flooding. So when FEMA
studies these streams, okay, they designate areas as a zone A and a zone AE. The zone AE, the E stands for elevation. So that is a studied perennial stream.
>> Does that react as a benchmark of them? Is >> that's exactly what it is. So the zone AE, which you'll see on the large FEMA map that I have there, So what they're doing is they're using
computers. They're essentially just generating modeling with computers. And because that elevation is approximately the same as the AE, >> it lags. >> But I just wanted to understand their philosophy of A and going to E. The E
represents >> an elevation. >> An elevation. Elevation >> is a recorded height of floodwaters within the last 100 years. Correct. Correct. There's there's a method to that madness. I'm just I'm good.
>> So, as you can see this the Squanakook River for instance, you have zone A east and the these numbers going across is the 100redyear flood plan. Okay. >> These these these are theund >> Yes. 294.5
294.4 293.8 those are determined the 100year flood plan. >> Okay, let's go to zone A. Zone A is an
area which if you look at Adam's Road, our lot, here's the zone A. Zone A, the FEMA knows that that area floods, but there's
no elevation designated to that area. So it's not >> right. So either they didn't study it enough in this area to determine an elevation because when you think about bordering
land subject to flooding that equals the 100redyear flood plan. >> Okay. I don't determine it. FEMA determines it. >> We have to have a determination. It's just common sense. A determination. >> Right. So last time there was major
flooding I forget Kevin you might know when was it 2010 >> they measured behind my house >> and with that there's a date and an elevation of water >> high water low water marks just like yes
>> so the elevations that are has to approximate there is no recorded data on it >> right so let's >> and these other areas are recorded these Are the a areas of well
>> the AE are determined with an elevation so there's no question >> but our area is shown as zone A. So typically most engineers will say okay I'm going to take the FEMA map I'm going to overlay it onto the plan and show it
because that's like our best estimate. Now, it's likely that the flood plane follows the wetland line. Generally, right, common sense, generally speaking, we can adjust this along the wetland line if that works for
the commission as a best guess. We can leave this area here that's slightly up a gradient of the wetland line. We don't care. >> We're creating our E. No, we can't create an AE, but I'm trying to satisfy
Miss Ross's concerns about following a contour. >> Okay, >> I disagree with her opinion and her statement and it's and in the whole realm of schemes, it doesn't even matter because we're not filling flood plane, we're not
filling wetland, we're not even close to it. So, at the end of the day, it in my opinion, it doesn't matter. It doesn't hold any significant. >> It's kind of moot in the sense of >> Right. >> Okay. >> Right. And it's part of that is the
basement floor. You need to make sure it's above >> whatever flood >> referring to the basin floor. >> So that >> part of the the building engineer, >> right, >> engineering the layout. >> So the wetland follows approximately the
88 contour. >> Mhm. Um, and the house is going to be at 94. So that's six feet. So So where the house is going is 6 feet up gradient
from the wetland. >> So it's move. That's my opinion. I I'm happy to do more research if the commission >> that doesn't hold with her opinion. Well, but she also has to review I don't
know how many of these and >> Oh, no. Absolutely. I understand what her burden is. >> And I understand what saying it's kind of you're just throwing a number at something that >> Right. I just >> I I don't create flood planes. You don't create flood planes. Miss Ros doesn't
create flood planes. So I don't I don't quite understand her comment and I can maybe get some clarification from her but is it doesn't >> you have the ability to get a better clarification to that because that's fogs up. It doesn't to a degree doesn't that fog it up a little bit?
>> No, it doesn't fog up a thing. >> Do you know what the elevation is in the AE that's to the north >> west? >> To the north, Jimmy >> or east or west or whatever it is.
Well, the closest one is 293.6, but that's but that's extremely north and much higher elevation and not even close to our lot. We can't use that. >> That was a good idea. >> It is quite a bit.
>> 94.7. So, I'd say you're gaining there. >> Yeah. G. Keep in mind that DP's comments, they're a guidance to the commission. Yep.
>> Okay. Um, let's go on to the next comment comment. So, she states that due to the complexity and significant discrepancy in the watershed calculations between stream stats and the applicant engineer, Mass D
recommends a third party review. you are within your right to require third party review. The the conservation commission can do it at any time, at any point with any project. However, I disagree with Miss Ross's
opinion that this is very complex. Um, >> I believe you argued the case and presented the evidence that we needed. I agree with you and the information that you have in front of you was sent to Miss Roth
uh yesterday. So perhaps she didn't have a chance to kind of take a look at it, >> but she's recommending a third party review. Um, I don't think it's complex if you have the time to sit down and take a look at the information that I've
provided, but that's up to the commission to decide if the third party review is um, >> it just seems is a bit of a compulation, a little bit of a, you know, between not being in what the declaration of the stream is, the flood plane,
you know, us not having that benchmark that is far as to go by. Oh, that imaginary one that the federal government put on this. >> Thank you. So, it's not that's exact that's exact.
>> And I want Kobe to kind of voice his opinion here too because I know you've done quite a bit of work with this and with Marine and >> um so go shoot. >> What are your thoughts? >> Okay. Um yeah, I I can provide information. That's all I'm doing for
commission. um map and I I have things that support in um on the other side the >> so just go with it >> for you to review um yeah this will work so that outlet uh the
here >> you absolutely uh accurate um because this is actually the outlet on the other side is the inlet uh other side of the inlet here uh as you know um if you know the area there's actually a pond over
there. It's really pretty much dry and flat. Uh but it's uh it's evidence that this is the this side, the south side is the inlet because there's um there's auxiliary uh pipes going into
the cover with beaver deceiver beaver cages on it so that water will flow. And there's actually a beaver dam on this side of the of the road um which is probably the reason why they're in the
pond there. Um. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. So, it does make sense that the wershed is mostly on this side. And I actually drove around into the Copper Smith um neighborhood >> lowest lane to the to the left. That'll
show you. >> It makes sense. It goes along with the GIS, >> right? You go up into Old Meeting House Park. walk down towards Copper Smith that all the G, you know, >> down down radiant to there.
>> Even even on this side, it's there's not much gradient either. So, >> it shows pretty consistent rolling. Not anything drastic, >> right? >> Yep. Um,
you know, it's amazing that there is not a stream that shows up on a map, but you're absolutely right. There's not a a stream of any sort that shows up on the USGS maps. Um it does show up on stream stats. That doesn't count. >> It does show up on stream stats.
>> Yeah. Um which is how they were able to calculate a waterershed or drainage area. Um there is a wellestablished stream channel through there and I I can show you pictures if you're so interested. All that being said, uh it
doesn't it doesn't uh pass a three-step process for um saying that it could should be um considered a perennial. Um the other the one other item I'll bring
it back up is that the observations made in August um we're in a level due drought. Um, and I have pictures from it August where it's still uh moist and they had pools of water in in in the
stream channel. The stream channel is uh I say well established because it's down to cobble sized stone sized material going to >> so it's a clean scour very little
turbent silt and whatnot. It's rock. It's like you said, >> so there's a flow at one point in time. There's a strong amount of flow going through there. >> There is >> got to recognize >> certainly at certain times of the year. >> I don't know. Well, you could be right.
I kind of think that it's more the water's in it because there's really no gradient to it. >> Right. But it's definitely >> even if there isn't at the same time there's enough flow to give the indication of that there that any
materials in that bottom of the brook area were washed right out >> about two feet of material has been moved away from it. It's it's pretty deep under the ground. >> So it's so it's pretty clear that some points there's a lot of water that's
going through it. Mhm. >> And you said the wetland wet rooms were flagged in May. >> Uh yes. >> That's all the additional information. I have >> So you said that um the three point um
that was deter three steps to determine that it was or was not a perennial. >> Correct. Uh yep. So the first step is if it shows up on any USGS topographic maps um and it does not have the
based on the contour study that it does not have the total water drainage area to support that is so you're you're agreeing that it's an interminively
Yes, but just because it is such an established stream. >> Well, it could be an established stream but still be interruplet pipe, you know, that inlet pipe was um for long um you know to slowly allow
that water to drain out of there. 1.4. Well, I'm a novice here as you know and I've seen a couple of site that have been on same site visits where there has been an intermittent stream. My first reaction to seeing this one is like
this doesn't seem to be my preconception of an intermittent stream, but I think it probably is based on the three. Yeah, >> I will say that, you know, even though it was uh and dry in August, you know,
it was still moist in the bottom and it could for a fact that there is underwater flow in there. >> Undeniably, no different than Lock Brook. I I can put my ear on a rock and I can hear the flow underneath and it's
bone dry. So move point but still I understand where he is >> in and some some advanced calculations they would accept that as a coral stream but um not
with our not with our um what we go by in the precm moving on >> a new >> on. >> Well, you just got certified. And >> the one you just pointed out to the bottom. >> Yeah.
>> What size cover is that? 30. >> Okay. Well, let's keep this on track. We can we can talk about culberts after. >> No, no. I'm just curious. That's just >> It's a 30. Well, that is bearing on some of that. So, I I I think um I guess I' I'd like
to try and get a consensus if the commission is comfortable calling it intermittent or perennial or if you feel a third party review is necessary. >> I'm not I'm not putting my name on that without I'm not >> without
in terms I know better than that. >> True. >> And but we we've been able to fight perennial streams and um >> into intermittent streams with proper data, >> right? Um, >> did we not do that on
>> We just did it on Parker. >> Pocket and that was >> they questioned our decision and they came back to us and >> they took us to test. We went up there and >> so provided the data they needed, >> right? But based on everything else and the the
watershed area that's been recalculated, I I feel that it more clear in regards to what Kim had commented on.
Um, you know, her concerns again. >> Thank you. >> I think that's You got to read it a couple times, Kobe. >> Well, and that's what I'm doing again. >> I I I'm I'm going to want to read it
again. I mean, you're basically looking for what our our disposition in as a group is going to be on this. >> Well, right. I mean, you know, I think the project is likely going to be continued
>> and if more information is is requested, let's get it. >> You know, I just I want to be able to be productive at the next hearing. >> We don't want to waste time. We are not in the business of doing that. We've worked several years to prevent that.
There's no fun for any of us. >> Not that we don't want to see you for a second time, >> but >> I don't hear that very often. >> So, um, >> thank you. >> But I'm not looking for a third party. You, James,
>> I I'm concerned about not concerned. I I >> We can get our our questions. >> The bordering land subject to flooding. um you know it's how do you put a number you know >> you can't you can't
>> right >> even even show right there you can't >> but with that said you have a foundation a site plan that has the basement the elevation at the height above you know 100year flood mark
>> you know how I feel about what a 100y year flood plane map right now is Well, 500 year would probably bury this down. So, >> well, I see it. >> Yeah. So, the bottom of the basement is going to be above where the 100 foot.
>> Yeah. >> And does it affect the septic system at all? Is that one of those raised septic systems? Septic >> um >> septic is it is above completely above. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> There you go. And the engineer right behind just >> the water table was observed at 84 in 60 in um for the septic and it and it was
pretty fast. 8 minutes an inch 2 minutes an inch for the >> on the park. >> Yes. So it's really s it seemed really sandy >> sandy and modeling
>> one of the action items is um providing a narrative on how the project complies with 10.58 section 4. Um >> so that's the riverfront regulation. >> Yeah. which it wouldn't it's a
intermittent stream so it wouldn't >> um qualify um I I I there's enough evidence for me to move forward on this but I'm only one vote for and there's two other commissioners that need to
>> which we should have more commissioners involved in it I mean her work is is phenomenal. She's done it all the way through. So, I I know I'm comfortable with it. >> Mike, what are your thoughts? >> Well, there's some new areas for me.
Okay. Heard about and um and I know that um your opinions mean a lot to me. So, if you're comfortable with >> Well, but you you have enough experience now, I think, and I know you say you don't, but you know, you understand this. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get the good
picture. And >> I agree with what you just said. >> You guys have been around the town for for decades. Uh and and I have been and I know from my own limited experience, there are places in town that flood and you can count on them flooding. Have in all those years that you've been here,
have you ever seen anything close to a flood in this this neck of the woods? This here my 68 year. No. No. Kev, >> you can't make com.
>> No, not that I can recall. I've been to the family on the hill for 45 years. >> But again, based on the evidence that we presented with >> my opinion, >> you know, seems Yeah, I'm good with it.
I did check I did go to the USGS map and uh determine that there was no stream there which is kind of surprising such a stream. >> I would have thought there would have been some indication of >> some named brook or flow through there
with the amount of flow that you and I who saw and assumed would be coming down through there. Mass Mapper had a light green line that I think indicated the stream, but it wasn't a blue line, which was a
permanent stream, and it wasn't the dotted blue line for an intermittent stream, which I could see in other parts of the town. So, there was something there on the map, but it wasn't big enough for them to even >> with no decoration to it. >> No way. >> Okay.
>> It's 35 ft out of the bumper. I know it's there's that closeness, but it's outside of it. Um, well, I guess let's look at the nitty-gritty of the plan and in of it being nonconformant.
>> No, let's look at the nitty-gritty. Make sure that, you know, we have to talk about the screen, but let's look. >> What are you looking at on that, Jim? control. I'm just looking at the Okay, so we don't have a detail on
erosion control. >> No, we do right here. This water right >> on the lower left. >> Yeah, right here. >> Right below the notes. >> Yeah. >> Over. >> Yeah. >> So, >> so I I don't think is enough. I think it should be selfense.
>> We can add a selfense. That's not >> knowing. >> No big deal. No big deal. Um and then you know you have your stock file location on here which is what we we look for is um in other words right
there. Yep. Yep. That has waddle around it which that move. Yep. Sorry. But it's >> it'll be a beautiful lot. >> I was getting ready to say that
>> and a joy forever. >> I I I just you know the evidence that was presented to us I feel answers the >> really >> the comments provided by D and I I don't feel that um >> she had six hours to review it and put
all that together. Well, wait a minute. >> So much. >> D received the notice of intent filing August 22nd. >> Okay. >> Okay. I sent the supplemental information um that Kobe received to her
yesterday because I had spoken to her and was just kind of wondering if we could get a D file number and when it might come in. And um she had mentioned about the stream. She she talked to an analyst and said, "Oh, there's a stream
in question." And I said, "Oh, I provided information to Kobe." And she says, "Can I see it?" I said, "Sure thing. I'll email it to you." And that was, I think, the result of the conference. >> Gotcha. >> But in general, she's had, you know,
other than the stream information, she's had the NOI filing for over a month. >> Okay. They're stretched thin >> very I know I heard as much recently too >> what's news I
>> I am comfortable enough to make a motion on you know but again I'm only one vote uh just maybe you should have a discussion and I don't have any
suggestions but um about any special conditions >> so I mentioned silk fence >> okay >> so we're going to do waddles in we're going to do >> silk fence sunk down or we're going to roll it underneath the waddle Oh,
install it correctly underneath the bar. It It needs to be buried. >> Yeah, Jimmy, it's got to be buried. Try cutting corners. Unbelievable. I'm sorry. >> I was going to say it's all choice. >> He's the chairman. He can go.
>> No, >> I don't care. Um, no, it's again it's it's pretty straightforward and it's a tight lot and you know these house lots
are not going to get any easier for any community moving you know as we move into this um second part of the decade. So >> things are changing. >> Yeah,
>> things are changing. Um, I'm comfortable, Mr. Chair. >> So, we're going to accept if we move ahead with this tonight, we're going to accept this map as is. >> Uh, well, >> or does it need to be revised?
>> It should be revised, but I I those are minor revisions we're looking at, right? Well, the Sense can also be a special condition. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's we've been there, done that with that. Okay. So, I'm not going to say anything about not having everything
in the legend. >> No, you should. >> You're the guy. You're the the guy. So, what what's >> Yes. I I think >> in the future I I wish that somehow we could tell people who are making these things. Um
>> you can that you went through that process just now when we did the sidewalk >> as you requested as you received. >> What's in the legend that needs to be there? Um, it doesn't show the buffers, any of the buffers. It doesn't show the
the erosion control. >> So, >> in the legend itself, >> right, >> there's your >> So, here's your bumpers. >> Here's your erosion control >> mistakes. We We're not showing >> No, I get that. I mean, we can
>> that's not sometimes it'll >> I think it's just engineer style of labing it on the plan as opposed to showing it in the legend, but I'm happy to revise. Well, the only reason I, you know, I I did take um was a day workshop
um uh for movies and they stressed that there were several things about the plans that you should really look for and one is make sure that it's pointing north and correctly. Another one is to check the the scale sometimes the scales
and also make sure that everything's in the legend. And um so I'm paring what they have taught me which I think is a good practice anyway. >> I believe it might it's dictated in the regulations as well.
>> Um which I know they did revisit the stock by location. >> Um >> so may I make a suggestion? So, if the commission wants, you know, a plan to look at a certain way or have certain
features, um, I would request the commission to maybe make a checklist to say every plan should have a legend and every plan should have this. >> That is that is in our regulations, >> is it? >> Yes, we went through it. We went through
it. >> We we've almost copied and pasted Broton's. >> Okay. >> Uh because it was pretty robust. Um. Okay. So, I blew it, but I won't do that. >> Well, it's in the >> It's like >> No, not by law. It's in the regulation. >> By law, we can't apparently the way it's
presented to us. It's very common practice to do exactly what you've done. And this is has been accepted by conservation commissions all over the place. But if we are going to do sort of best practices, then we should have it.
Having said that, I don't want that to hold up this. So, we're going to vote tonight. I don't I don't want that to hold up. >> Well, it's up to you if >> it's up to me. I don't want to hold it up. >> But in the what we're doing now is in the future, >> right? >> Accommodating better.
>> But I think it might be a good idea even though we have the we have it somewhere. I don't even know where it is. >> In our regularly stated this is what needs to be on the plan. >> Yeah, I agree. And I can put that together.
Or Kobe, you can put it together. >> No, there might be a >> Yeah. No, I I can somewhere >> like deep in the server. Um Okay. Um so,
um I make a motion to order or to issue an order of conditions for I got to find all my paperwork. um >> 308 >> for EWB 2025-006 [Music] uh DV number 308
0723 um with pending the changes of an updated legend and updated uh filtation control barrier barrier plan um more detail. um
you know with a special condition of silk fence being used. >> Do you know what Mike's specific >> lines are? >> All of them. >> You're good. >> Yeah, you're good also. Um but standard order of conditions for the
special conditions um with the the water um second roll call vote starting with Mike >> Mike said yes >> Jan Strong yes >> James yes >> nice
>> okay so just so I understand we need to update the plan and get it to code >> yes >> right thank you for your time. I appreciate it. >> You did a great pres. [Music] [Music]
>> They took them away from us. We don't have them anymore. >> Can I have this back? >> Yeah. >> What? I'm sorry. Can >> I have this? No, no, that's okay. full of compliments. Now you yell at me. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you for presenting us.
>> Can we keep this? This is an extra for you to hang up on your wall. >> I make a motion to close uh the hearing for TWWB 2025-00006 DP number 308-0723.
>> Thank you, Kenny. Thank you very much. >> Mike seconded. Roll call vote starting with Mike. >> Mike said yes. >> Nice to see you. >> James, yes. >> James Gates, yes. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> That was the end of the meeting.
>> That was good presentation. >> She um >> I think she did a uh How did What did you think, >> Co? Yeah. I do you want to present Kevin coming back or you rejoin? >> Uh Kevin's rejoining us.
>> I'm going to rejoin and then I've got to abstain again. >> Yeah. Then go back over there. >> What are you going to say again on? What what are we doing? >> Well, >> oh Brown row the >> um >> now I remember. >> Do I stay abstained or >> just stay
>> stayain go talk to people. >> Uh 2.2 2 one brown roads mission of revision to D number 208-0718 PWB 2024 uh 1 196
um >> this wasn't just a deck we were putting on right >> no it was so it's approximately 745 it's um minor modification to proposed deck or proposed addition
Okay. >> Plus deck. >> No, no, not plus. There was already a deck proposed. >> So, we're modifying the deck obviously. >> Yes. >> Brad. >> Yeah. I'll get this out on the table.
Uh, best story for short, we were approved for a 30x 20 with an additional deck, 10 x10 deck on there. >> Mhm. >> Uh, as you'll see, we're actually going to go we're going to match the front of this to that same bump out. So, it's going to bump back just like that to match the opposite side. And now, it's
going to be 22 by 25. So, we're going smaller. We're going to stay within the same working area. Uh, stay within the fence. Nothing's going to change from the plan outside of the fact that we're going 50 square ft smaller. Um, and if you actually look at that, if you take a look from the distance from where the
wetland is lined >> based on this being the corn the new corner here. >> Oh, we we've gotten out of it. >> Yep. We're actually getting further away from that from that wet land line. Um, so there's going to be no changes to the actual proposed work that's going to be
done. We're just going 50 square feet smaller and we're moving further away from the wet land line. Oh, >> is it like us people further from our wetlands >> if it was already approved, you know,
with with the approval already being closer to the wetlands. >> So, this is this is an approval for a reduction. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> This is an reduction rep approval. Well, that's a new one, Mike. >> All right. >> Nice job on that second, by the way. I
was looking to get that one, but you took I don't care. So I know I think Jimmy went to I know you went to the sidewalk for the original project last year. >> Ron Brown though, did you? >> Yeah, he did. He was he was green. >> Yeah,
>> it was your first one. >> He blended in, but the lawn was so good. >> I kept on looking. I was looking all over for for >> Don't say >> and was just oblate >> within a gated area.
straightforward. >> Okay, that's >> Does someone want to make a motion to the revision? >> No, I'm going to give them all to you tonight. >> Come on. I've never made a motion. All right. So, make a motion to let me on you to accept the revised
plans for where are we at here? >> 2.2 >> on the agenda. Just read the >> Oh, 2.2 to the one brown road um to revise the modifications in the proposed
deck >> or structure >> or structure. Oh yeah, right. Right. It's not the structure. >> And then you now you say the D number, the TWWB number, >> uh >> someone will second it and
>> where's the legend right there? Oh, the uh uh D number 308-0718 TBW 2024-196 >> second roll call vote starting with Mike >> Mike P said yes
>> James Dorian yes >> James Gates yes >> thank you have the proof of the order being filed at this Wait, you want conversation? Sorry. >> Yeah, go for it. uh minor modifications
like this does not inform this but the meeting the hearing is the um >> so in the past when >> I'll put a letter in with >> but yeah and Brad sent an email that
that acts as a narrative >> correct >> and you guys have the proof that the orders and conditions were filed >> you got that receipt >> yep we did get that receipt in the folder there >> so at that everything tomorrow if we wanted to start putting everything out. We you
guys are pay that. >> Yeah, you just got to >> follow the orders conditions. >> We were right. >> Well, yeah. And the soul funds and then you got to call him for an inspection. >> Okay. So, you'll inspect >> and that's easy. Kobe can send me up or whatever if you get the funds or
whatever. I was talking about the when you're completely done with your project or just the erosion control >> just so I I know we're going to put the erosion controls in and then at that point once those are in and you signed off on it >> then we can go ahead and begin >> right
>> excellent thank you I really appreciate all the time >> with the neighbors everything good >> neighborhood's good >> neighborhood's great >> everything's in ordering good to hear the rest of the day >> thank qualifying the
spend more time over in the pe gallery than you did at the front. 2.350 sauna for road quest for COC uh D number 308-0713 PWB 2024-190
completion of sub systeming utilities installation and dock installation >> is it still >> oh >> I'd love to talk about that later but >> Mr. Robert is here.
>> Why? What happened? I didn't hit uh >> remember the the dock. >> Yeah, >> I guess it was separate. >> It was It was two different ones about the attack. >> I have questions. Let's stay on >> Let's stay on. Yes, that's
>> 30. >> Yeah, let's get the first thing and go to the second. >> All right. So, Kobe, did you inspect the site? >> Yes. Uh Mike Mike was there as well. We did that on the 17th. >> All grown in, stabilized.
>> Yep. And uh we have pictures if you want to see. Uh the grass is very established. Um I don't know if it's been yet or not. Um there may be a few areas that need to be established a little bit more, but overall um very
established. Do you want me to show you pictures? Is that easiest? >> We always like pictures of Benton Pond. Let's see. Can I share? >> I do. I don't care. >> I don't know. >> Water has gone down now.
>> It's real low now. >> Real low. >> Opposed to him saying good time to do that too high. >> What's that? >> Good time to do that. All them walls up there. Not just to the him, but everybody. >> Everybody. That's when it used to be the
time to get out and do clean the shore and get the walls chinkedked up. >> Yeah, >> we're doing that plenty of times. Now, are you staying there on a regular basis or it's still just camp mode?
>> Uh, it's it's become weekend mode weekends. >> Nice. for this winter hopefully work on the kitchen and be a little bit more. >> It's good that a couple of workaholics bought the place. >> Yeah, >> they work hard over there.
>> There's a lot of a lot to do. >> Oh yeah, >> a lot. >> Okay, that's nice. >> So, yep. Here's a starting at the bottom right next to the bond. You can see how long the grass is there.
>> She looks nice. Nice job up there. That's just a nice place. [Music] >> Concrete >> closer to the house. >> Didn't do something quite right, but we'll just get one here. Uh this is the
set the leeching field >> up towards the hill. Yeah. >> Yep. So still in place. >> Looks good. >> Yeah. >> Similar to this. This is right next to the house.
>> Yeah. It looks good this year. >> Yeah. With drought. That's actually looks pretty darn good considering. >> So I make a motion to issue a COC for DB308-0707 TWWB 2024-174.
I'm sorry. >> Kevin second roll call. Yes. >> James. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes. >> Yes. Long day, please. >> Which one is that? Who's the customer?
>> Do we need to close the hearing for what this? >> No, don't. Okay. >> No, it's already been closed. >> Who's the customer? >> What is this? The next one. No, I don't have to. >> We were supposed to hold it, but I
the >> um what do we show? 465 Adams Road request for COC number 308-0707 TWWB 2024-174 completion of something system and house
edition installation. I thought it was a new house. >> It is >> 65 Adams. >> Yeah. >> What? >> Oh no, that's not what it is. Huh?
>> I wasn't sure where you were after before. >> I think 45 You can bring anything you want up on on the screen. Say >> we >> got pictures up there right now. >> Is that the only picture? >> I have a bunch.
>> Just scroll through the pictures, I think. >> All right. This is if >> you don't mind. the top lawn. Um, and it's certainly established the grass um, at this point. It's intricate um, in length. It definitely has not been mowed
yet. There's still areas establishing as you can see the hydro seed right there in the form yet. >> No. >> Oh, yeah. No, no, >> that's close. This is the closest to the house and this is the flattest area.
>> Um, >> tell me if you want me to stop. >> No, keep going. >> See the Is it just starting to head down the driveway? See fence there still in place. >> What? You're no as far as it hasn't established drying up yet. Yeah, but
then again, who could have planted a lawn this year and cut, you know? Right. >> I'm just saying it's just a tough year for closing out some of these hope to have lawn on it.
>> You're still having a couple more weeks of putting grass seed on stuff. >> True. Yep. Yep. Yep. And this is uh here's a lot of trap rock for stabilization going up and down the
driveway. Pretty good grade on the side of the driveway. So it makes sense to use this material. Uh again, this is the top of the site looking at the lawn and field area with the new
house corner of the new house. Heading down the driveway here. See the water's still in place and wood chips or ground up stump whatever they use there. >> Stump branding from the >> which is good stuff.
You can see this is the flat area in the front there. [Music] >> I think it's a little earlier. You see the hydro seed in the grass. >> They must have just hydro seed. >> I was just going to say that's still
that's pretty fresh. That's fresh hydro. I >> I think they need to wait another month. >> Mhm. Because it I think it's going to come into it. Things going to the fall growing push is coming right now. >> Mike, what do you were you uh on tour? Did you get to see this?
>> No, I didn't. >> Well, based on the pictures that you saw, what are your thoughts? Well, this is once again this is the first well actually it's a second. Yours was the first where we see that you know
your grass is like really well established >> and this I can see that your point that it's not very well established but so this gives me a frame of reference that for future >> that was really that couldn't have been more than what would you say a month ago what
>> hydro seated >> see maybe two weeks ago >> even with no >> I think it will pump but >> needs we're a We're a months shy of being able to do anything with that one. >> We do have a heavy rain coming in tomorrow.
>> Yeah. >> Take a look at it again after that if you want. >> Give it another week or so after it gets a a good >> bath and we got some warm We got some warm weather coming too. So, we got some good growing weather coming after. >> What are your thoughts?
>> Yeah, it wouldn't hard to wait another meeting at least. >> Yeah, >> couple more meetings maybe even through that. I'd say come back. >> I make a motion that we >> Well, can I see one of the pictures
again? Maybe created the illusion of some erosion. Uh we could go back. I'll tell you when we >> Oh, there. >> Do we have anyone online? >> I mean, from what he did for erosion control there, pretty sturdy work.
>> You know, he did a good job. stump grinding, the rip wrap, the stones, >> even this driveway edging. >> Um, but again, the it's just the grass establishment a little premature, but not by much. So, >> I mean, this little bit of rain we're
getting and like Kevin was saying, next week >> the ground. >> We'll bump Yeah, we're supposed to get a good growing week next week. No, talking to Steve Collie Farm broccoli. You're on target. >> One more. One more. Yeah, >> this is right down near the roadside
Adams. >> So you got steps down there six feet. >> And that was I mean that was quite a driveway going up up into that >> dog's old driveway going up in the other. >> Oh yeah. I mean I've been up that driveway >> few times.
>> Few times. >> Yeah. One more to the one. But compared to what it was x amount of years ago >> wanted to show the lawn >> cuz they've done a really nice job stabilizing that that I
>> Oh yeah. >> Oh the rest of us. So I love it. >> There. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Doesn't this look like it could be some erosion here or not? >> Looks like a where the might have been some equipment damage more than anything
else. Doesn't look like >> Who did that site work? Macaulay. >> Yeah. Yeah, he did the That's who when I did that. >> When he first logged it, Jimmy sent me up to do the soap fence. >> So, I make a motion that we
>> table, but uh >> table We take this to the second meeting of October >> and put it in his reason being further establishment of one. >> It would be great to see a mode once but
>> not sure >> the second meeting in October. >> I'll second that. >> Call said yes. >> James B. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes. >> Kevin. Yes. for 30 days. >> They bought you new folders.
>> They bought the new folders. You didn't have to I used the uh that we had them. >> Is that one of my jobs? Is that one of my jobs? I don't know.
Uh, next one's 15 Proctor. >> Don't you know if you're doing the job on 15 Pro? >> You got to get your secretary. >> Well, just we didain anyway. Go. >> We did, but I didn't know if I recognize
the customer's name. Thomas, I'm good. Oh, that >> everyone paying attention. >> Yeah. So, this grass is definitely established. I would say it has been mowed at least once already. Um, but
it's no patches. Nice. >> Look at that. >> It's level anyway. This this yard >> we can we can get that one through tonight. >> Oh, yeah. No, that looks good. Mike, that's a perfect example. You know, when
Mr. Becker is too, those are perfect examples. >> Yeah. He's given bitten pawn a run for its money up there, >> right? >> He must be happy with that one. >> Oh, great. >> I make a motion to
>> um issue COC number 308-0721. [Music] Uh TWWB 2025-003 Parker Road. >> I'll second yes. >> James D. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes.
>> Kevin Smith. Yes. Um postpone 3.1 3.2 Two Adams dam application for cam removal for zuminary design services deadline October 1st. What? >> I hate to see that damn.
>> Yeah, but you knew it's coming. Just like the VFW is going to be gone. They're going to pull that damn out, too. >> This is just preliminary. This is not >> But we know when they want what they want, they get what they want. >> I So I went to a presentation last year
about B removal, river restoration. The water table changes. Water flow changes. >> It's like if they were to take the stone dam out in West Towns and you know what that would do. >> What? Oh, you mean the the Canel Street bridge? >> Yeah. No, they talked about that, but we ignored
the thoughts of that. The thoughts of disaster >> that would that would ruin the fishery up there, I think. Oh, okay. >> The uh the flood management, >> but I have seen some really, you know, some nice river restoration with dam
removal. But regardless, this is just a design. >> But what what's going to happen? I guess what my question's at does it hold does Adams Dam hold that much water back on Squanica and the condition and then where it is right now?
>> That is part of the design services. Correct. >> Yes. They do water flow studies and everything. >> High flow, low flow. Yeah. >> Like is this is this behind the um >> grain store? >> The old Yeah, I got I got to check that
out. Been there yet. >> What are your thoughts are on Kobe? >> Uh ecologically it makes a lot of sense. >> Uh >> it does. >> Yeah, the waters behind dams get warm. Uh they They trap pollutants and
sediment. They prevent, you know, any um prevent fish populations migrating up and down. So there's a there is a lot of um um scientific sense. >> Well, that was already
>> we need a fish in west and that's what we need. >> So my other question is which I think a commissioner should ask, what was the purpose of that dam when they put it in original? Adams Adams though. >> Y
someone recognized the the uh shape today is for rolling logs over it. >> Yep. >> We we're trying to pin down a date of when it was done, but it's prior to 1947. I found a little bit.
>> Oh, was in the 1800s. >> Yeah, I was that was in the 18. >> Oh, it's in the >> history of towns and mass. the history of town. >> You can also go to the historic society's website. They have all the the newsletters dating back to the late 80s
>> and it gives you a good history of town and especially like a personal perspective of different areas. >> There was a lot of dams in town. There's two Pearl Hill. >> There's one just below Benton Pond >> on the right hand side. Still well uh
the foundation. >> The stove would be in there anyway. >> Oh yeah. I mean, there's a ton of stuff in the woods out there. Like behind my house was the old brick factory. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Then they also had a canal that ran through by the uh
>> We still have the substation. Um the shop canal go down. I don't remember, but there was a sawmill back there. >> On which blocks? >> That was across from you. >> Yes. Yeah, >> we found an old backwood when we were
doing the water line. Where was that one >> going? Right down >> right by John Forest there. Just past the uh right there by the where they the the little thrift store. >> Yeah. >> Just past the just past the thrift store with
>> cuz we're drunk and it was >> that was clocks. You know you know where that building You know where that building sits today? >> Where John Forest has that house? >> You know where that building sits today? >> My father's old shop on Scales Lane. >> No kidding. >> They hauled that down. My father bought
that building all the way down. That was Clark's old. >> If you go I forget what road it is. Uh >> cuz that was our old >> that goes uh that's across the street from West Meadow going towards West Townland >> where lives. >> Oh Brook.
>> So the house on the corner there, when you go into the backyard, you can see the old canal outline right through the back. >> His old house. >> Yep. This is old house. Yep. >> No kidding. Deb overgrown.
>> Yeah, I've seen it on the map. >> And then Evans um the barrel factory and all that other had quite a bit going on. >> There was quite a uh quite a on the VFW
right at the VFW pond. Go back in the history, you'll see there's a beautiful building there burned down right on the pond. Yeah. I didn't know about that one. >> That was a pond full of logs. >> No kidding. >> Yeah. >> Now, usually you get me on >> right there by the dam.
>> Yeah, >> there's some beautiful. >> There's a lot of history, Mike. It's kind of cool. I know, >> but it's or read about. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'd love to find out. It's a very >> cut ice. Cut nice on Bond. >> Is that right? >> They used to cut it on. I knew they did
it in the harbor. >> Oh, that wind pond was big. Clean ice. >> Yeah, it was. That was the And once again, you get a jump on me. That was because it was such clean, crystal clear ice. All the Boston bars used to love
that for their drinks. >> So, I say um yeah, there's no vote that needs to be taken um regarding this. uh the select board has already approved to um at lean uh the grant writer and uh I'm I'm
adding assistance to it as well. Now the this is just to not to get the like James said to have the damn revoked. It's to former design services [Music]
>> select committee that initiated this in the first place. Who initiated this? >> FNG. >> No, I didn't. >> Must have been too. >> He did because he told him the full story. >> You're the one who initiated having my damn removed. >> No.
Did you know that the >> the owners required toect dams annually? >> Who the the town >> or any one that owns a dam. The town owns Adam's dam. >> And there was a question about a dam.
>> Really difficult to find any information on that fee. I've heard that it's $5,000 fee every year for inspection on on it. And then, you know, I'm hearing that maybe it's every 10 years. So, um, and we can't find I can't find records of a
fee being paid, but there is some definitely a fee being paid at least periodically for this. >> No kidding. Yeah. And every day. >> So, the town is paying this fee and we don't know when we pay it. We just pay it. >> Yeah. >> You went to what the rec commission and
they >> I got one. >> Yeah. But you just told me the story about Robert the >> kind of going off on you and Roger sitting there laughing which one >> I don't which one's right
>> you know given that um you know this area not that it's a solution to it but there's you know uh high reports of ecoli right behind the dam not that you want it down the river >> is that where they're testing it behind the dam. Yeah,
>> that's usually where you would test it. >> That's where they started >> your density >> and they they're branching out to other >> areas. They are now. >> Yeah. >> Good. >> And I don't have those. They don't have those now, but >> but >> they kind of they're trying to narrow
down where that you know the >> So they're in search of right now. There's an issue with the subject system. >> Yeah, it's subject system. No, they have that's all. >> I could mumble off my thoughts where that would be, but we won't.
>> All right. >> All right. >> Oh, so the start of this, I guess, uh, I'm always looking for ways to improve the town from conservation mindset and certainly this is something to consider.
>> Taking Adam's demo. >> Yeah. >> So, they do an impact study. How's that going to affect the canoeing in the area? How's that going to watch the draw down the water level all the way up? >> They will do studies on it. >> It'll be bank exposure. >> They'll do studies on it.
>> Yep. They have to. >> So, >> if it's what's that damn five to six feet high? >> Yeah. >> So, it's going to drop the water. >> Is it though? There's so many logs in that river that hold up everything. Now
>> there's major log jams up and down the river. Well, I should say >> didn't we do we did the hook river clean what five years ago >> and where they stopped >> remember that >> they didn't do it. >> No, but it's already it's already >> went down with the canoes and chainsaws
>> took an act of Congress. I was with John. >> Can you guys still get it? >> Who got in trouble for it? log in with bad especially to the south of my property. >> What are they like up at the the trussle out behind forens?
>> Oh, I don't even know usually about the log dams. >> Oh, did I? >> We removed a bunch five years ago. >> You told me that there's a lot because you've commuted it. >> Yeah. Oh. Oh, the log dams. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's You can't even navigate. Um you can't get down that river. I've gone down it. Um, you got kayak canoe. >> Not really that bad right now. >> Oh god. You have to be very spr
with a freaking steel chainsaw. >> And the electric winches. Those are those are the gas power. We need to pull a lot of there's 20 to 30 logs. We're talking 20 foot logs. >> You know what used to be the solution to that?
>> Yeah. Chainsaws. >> No. No. from the Lions Club. >> Remember how the Lions Club would always have their send the crew down two weeks ahead of time? >> Maybe, oh, it's the Lions Club. They didn't ask for permits and you know, oh,
don't cut those logs that are going across for the broadcasts and >> wait, let's get to 3.3 >> 3.3 Natural River Wild and Scenic Council. So last meeting we voted to accept the
um proposal from Dillis Grant for the more expensive of the two properties >> upon or what was it >> upon receiving >> and then once we received the remainder of the the grant funds for the other portion um or for the additional
>> portion then we would >> uh vote accept the other proposal. >> Oh god. So we can pull the trigger on the more expensive one right off the right. You know, now that we received the funds, but you said we could request additional funds
>> to pay to pay for the last one. >> Just to make sure it's the one from Dillis and Roy. >> Yes, correct. >> The more expensive one >> and then for the >> And where were we short? 24 2500 Kobe.
It wasn't that much, right? 2,2500. to fulfill the last >> remember right there was an additional $2,000 fee to get a some sort of plan. >> Yeah. A plan of land and $105 filing fee.
>> Yeah. >> All right. >> You want to make a motion for that, Jimmy? >> Oh, that's right. We haven't got We haven't got paid. I put a question mark on it. >> We ain't got it yet. That's right. >> I understand. >> Can vote on what we ain't got.
>> And once that's done, I have permission to sign it and accept it. Nelson has to sign purchasing the procurement. >> Right. >> You're right. He is >> whatever the more expensive one is. But yes, I'll highlight the ones everything that we want.
>> Okay. >> And then you can request the additional funds for the other one. >> Yeah. And then once that they grant us the funds, we'll vote on that one. >> And then we'll we'll figure out how to scramble up the rest.
>> We'll check with them, make sure that that works with their system, how they how they get extra funds out. >> Okay. And you can call me if there's any issues. >> Yeah. >> Cuz doesn't that money do go into the
general fund then it rolls? They can't touch. They make sure they're separate. >> It's exclusive >> dedicated man with strong >> the wildest scenic stewardship uh land protection grant.
>> Okay. Okay. >> Required to >> keep it separate. >> Well, if they had to use it all. >> Oh, yeah. Which we will. >> We can't turn it into some other funds for another conservation.
>> Um conservation playground 4.1 4.1 kill them all mass do 2025 invasive plant management program uh courtesy notification let you know
that mass DOT will be using herbicide uh to treat select invasive plants along the routes listed on the 2025 roadside invasive management plan um MDR allows mass CO2 to treat invasive plants in the rightway outside of the
333 CRM 11 right away permitting requirements attached management plan for additional details on the treatment. Uh treatment will begin as early as August 27th and will continue until end of October or the first frost which
would be the end of October. Yeah. >> And that's why we've been seeing those signs on the side of the road. No strain like going up Highland. >> Yeah, >> there's some people objective to it. >> That's something else. >> Sure. >> Yeah, >> that's for the
>> the apple orchard. >> The apple people are not appreciating the apple orchard spraying. >> Yeah, >> I don't think they're just going to do it. >> So in town, they're going to spray Route 119 at 492 Main Street. Great. Thanks
guys for doing the rest of it. >> So what's what are the guys at the apple orchard spraying that would be a concern to the people in the neighborhood? >> I'll get into that later. >> Yeah. >> Where's the apples, you know, for bugs?
>> Steve does it every year. >> 4.2 >> peaches, blueberries. Um, I'm going to have to throw something out to Colby real quick. Um, the bar sir, have you we started to get that
ball rolling with them for meeting house? No, I have to contact him and u because uh I've been getting going back to your the meeting try to get what the
consensus was what your we wanted. >> Yeah, I imagine you >> you got to get something there because what's going to happen? You weren't going to have any salailable. You're a gonna have nothing salailable. You won't get nothing >> by the end of this year. >> Yeah. So, no, >> it's on my short list of >> I watched some red pine tonight out in
this I went looked at some red pine this afternoon over on Route 70 in Lancaster. >> Oh, yeah. Long. Oh, yeah. It's terrible. >> What do they just wiped right out? >> Yep. Up in Sharon, New Hampshire. I looked at some job that we're doing.
>> And Sharon 5.1 North Atlantic Aquatic Connectivity Collaborative Non-title Stream Crossing Certification Training will be completed at 9:22. Do you have anything to add? >> Yeah, this is something I just uh completed on Friday and Monday. It was
something that was offered by the National River Wershed Association in conjunction with this NWA. What was it? CC just read the name. And it was just a it was a training to
go out and assess culberts and how effective they are. Um, and yeah, it'll come in handy. It'll come in handy when uh more grants come around for
heavy grants uh for replacement and maintenance. >> Items for next meeting. Notice of intent application for 16 meadow road up in Cory Cory Patterson has submitted a notice of intent for construction of garage within 200 foot riverfront
area and then we also have a far update for old meeting house. >> Cool. >> Next meeting is October 8, 2025. So we want to make a motion to adjourn at 8:45. You seem like in a hurry.
>> Second. >> Second. Second. >> No. No. Sorry. >> Mike second. Roll call vote. Mike said yes. >> James. Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Thanks do.