like to call to order the Towns and Conservation Commission meeting for uh Wednesday, June 17th, 2026 at 7:04 p.m. Can I have a roll call vote starting with Mike
>> present [clears throat] >> Abigail Farley? Present. >> James Gates present. >> Sandra Lord present. >> Brian Penderton present. >> Dan Jim present. And I think >> late time
from April on top. >> Okay, they got some goodies out there. Oh, Mike is jump. Uh Mike, do you mind us please? [clears throat] [laughter] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisibley and justice for all. [cough] [clears throat] >> [laughter]
>> This meeting is being recorded. Is anyone else recording [laughter] chairman and or deletions? Um we are going to add 3.5
ratification of the emergency statistic for All >> [clears throat and cough] [clears throat] >> right. Everybody >> [snorts] >> chair report. Um I believe it was last
week we had a report of um some dirty water that came down Lloyd Brook. Um it was I called Mike and Kobe also got called about it. Um, and they both took a look look at it and
I took a look at it and there wasn't anything there. Um, so meaning like >> whatever it was was there and gone. There was no residual. >> All right. >> So Damon Pond is closed. I don't know if
that has anything if they've been up there clean. Did you speak to any of the >> um the person that observed it who lives on 119 um they did call the ranger station and asked >> that's all and they DCR didn't know
anything about it. >> So and I went up >> I looked at the uh the water from the bridge on your street uh West Meadow. >> Yeah. and then went up further to the
ranger station and checked there and then up to Trap Falls and it seemed about the same as it was when >> didn't see any marky any like no >> no you could see the rocks clearly >> and then when I went up to the uh um uh
Damon Pond same it all pretty much the same >> and you know it's closed bacteria >> yeah so most of the Yeah, maybe there was a dirty beaver out there washed himself and get all dirty.
>> I don't know. We Kobe sent an email to Ashby's conservation commission and >> yeah, they're pretty proactive. I didn't see anything on I didn't >> tried calling you but you didn't pick up. On a separate note, um what
[clears throat] >> when was this? the nth. >> N >> it was when >> the ninth >> which was >> of this month. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Tuesday.
>> Tuesday. [laughter] [clears throat] >> Um and then Timmy did a um erosion control inspection down at 80 main street. um ensure that there is continued compliance.
I have uh 1.6 review and approve meeting minutes from um April 8th. We do not have April 22nd. Um did everyone get a chance to review
them? I need like a few seconds more. >> No problem. >> Guys are nice. [clears throat] Thank you. >> [clears throat] >> watching me eat candy right now. [clears throat] I thought taking one of those later.
>> [laughter] [laughter] >> I'm all set. [laughter] >> [clears throat] [laughter] >> Don't [clears throat] I'm good. I just start with okay. I'm sorry. I should have perked up and said >> Abigail, you good? >> Y [clears throat]
thoughts, questions, concerns, changes? >> No. [clears throat] I'm curious about if you've heard anything since about the uh the trail from the trail alliance and the snow ride, but >> uh the trail alliance held a open house
at uh at Old Meeting Up Park a couple weeks ago. Um I don't know how well it did. Um the snowmobiles um they did um [laughter]
trying to think of how to word it. The Swan Cook Greenways did vote in support of that. Um so I don't know much further about that, but I could ask Justin there
to um join us and Patrick and Lonnie over this. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> especially because we have a standard operating procedure that we started to discuss discuss. Um,
so were there any amend or changes questions? >> You have anything? >> I do. Okay. >> To do with well 2.1 where it says
18 Main Street. certificate certificate of compliance DP number. >> Y not >> um I'm wondering how come the D number was not posted most of the time. It was only I've only
seen it twice there like before like what are we looking at 2.1 18 Main Street appliance DEB that that's right in the Harvard church. Is that the Harvard church? Oh, what number? >> What is 18 Main Street?
>> Starbucks. [clears throat] >> Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was. >> I can tell you that the DV number is up front at the church. It's actually both sides of it. >> Correct. >> It wasn't before though. >> Yeah, it was >> the D marker at the church has been up.
>> Last year. >> Yep. And took the time to >> me this fancy little swirly sign with >> I thought it was nice because with the wavy marks on the top >> I just >> you remember that >> but I I I personally didn't see it. Maybe I was looking in the wrong spot but as I was going by every time I went
by I'm like where's the D number >> and I just saw it posted. >> That's that was my perception and my understanding. If I'm wrong so be it. >> Explain it to the chair. Explain it to me. >> Um I didn't hear what I said. No idea.
>> Oh, sorry. Um, >> how could someone with ADD like >> Oh, okay. Sure. >> I thought like, >> okay, we'll wait till you get a little bit. >> I'm sorry. I was on the I kept thinking
that was the Harvard church and it was my perception and understanding. I didn't see it D number in front of the or next to the church. I just saw it appear. >> Well, we're not talking about the church. >> No, but I thought you said within range. >> No, I know. I know. Well, you just said that it was at the church. I just could
give response to that, but Okay. So, I apologize. That is not the historical society. That is okay. [clears throat] >> Anything else? >> I make a motion to accept make a motion
to accept the towns and conservation commission meeting minutes of Wednesday, April 8th. Second. [clears throat] >> I second. Roll call vote starting with Mike. Mike said, yes. >> Abigail Farley, yes. >> James Gates, yes.
>> James, yes. >> Sandra Ward, yes. >> Brian Ferton, yes. >> Now, tonight is both of their beginning meetings, correct? >> So, are they able to review them minutes and vote on them? Yes. They were not in
>> we I don't know if we had an extensive conversation about this a couple months ago >> about >> about reviewing minutes. >> Everybody [clears throat] can vote on it. >> Yes. >> So I remember when I first started I wasn't at one of the meetings that >> and that was what triggered
[clears throat] the conversation, >> right? Except I'm like gee, I wasn't there. >> Yep. Um, you know what? >> You know what? >> Brian, yeah, Brian brought it up and I do remember that.
>> Moving forward. [clears throat] >> Okay. [laughter] 1.7 agent report. How are you separating it as if it ended? Are you including all of last week or just up to the meeting that
>> um I'm including the stuff that should have been just last meeting. >> Okay. Just say the dates. >> Sorry. >> Save the dates. [laughter] Oh, from the last beat it [laughter]
was supposed to. >> It was the 3rd. No, it wasn't the third. It was the 27th of May. So, May 28th to today. >> Yes.
Yeah. So this report like I said covers 27th of May up till today June 17th uh starting with ID RFS department
referral forms 29 Rosa drive they have a septic replacement coming inf [clears throat]
So it's accurate. Okay. So they have no wetlands involved. Sign off on that. That's something. Next is 80 Main Street. They uh do have a a septic system in but they also have a
active order of conditions um with wetlands involved. And the comment that I remarks that I added on was that they have OC file number 3080705.
Um that needs to be amended prior to working performing. Now they will not work performed. It would have been changes to the work that was permitted. changes to the work that was permitted >> because we already permitted the septic
system, right? >> And [clears throat] there was some changes to it which we all knew about a month and a half ago, right? So, keep going. I'm just making sure that [clears throat]
>> Yeah. And that o uh the amended OC is for uh >> that was 18 that was 80 Main Street uh 213 Jason Road. Uh they had
a septic system being approved by the B and they have no involved. Uh there is riverfront area on the property, but it is outside of the proposed work area. Um 71 Main Street.
Um [clears throat] there are um there are no wetlands involved on that and that is a replacement. 71 Main Street. uh 75 Main Street where
the location of the leeching field is actually on a different property. The it's a zero property uh being a map parcel ID 3423. There are no wetlands involved with this except it be closed. Uh there is a
wetland buffer on the property however outside >> is that in reference to the one that's going to be la from underneath the road >> I don't know I don't
>> amendment for 80 street will explain that >> all right but that you that's supposed to be on our next meeting >> yes >> correct >> has submitted that. >> He sent me an email today.
>> That was for a sub. That was for the >> Oh, then no. He is he said that he's working on it and he's planning on having it submitted. >> Okay,
>> that's as much as nothing more specific. >> Okay. I just I'm referencing two years ago. >> Okay. >> What was the reference to the re homestead?
>> Uh the uh an update on the plan for a stretch. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> But that's the next meeting. We we're not correcting. >> That's why I'm moving on. >> What else you got? Anything? >> Yep. uh the 25 wildly scenic land grant that we had
the survey going on um for as you know drive is completed and now uh the other properties there taking up Bazan for also known as uh the OK Corral
>> okay corral also known as Lunberg conservation area um that's been completed We have a plan of land here for it and >> which we can review next meeting
>> and that James wants to include that on the next agenda. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I just so that we can everyone can be passing on the table but it's not on the agenda today so we have to be good. >> So this is a segue into the invoices
that I just paid. uh the Dian Tillison wrought um uh survey invoice for that those properties as [clears throat] um um those have the invoice is submitted
to the accountant and the payment out of the grant account set up for that for them um should be paid very short. Uh also uh
we pay for uh MACC course that I took in um April, end of April that has been paid as well. Um and the MACC conservation commission dues uh for fiscal year 27 those the invoice has
been submitted for those but um they're going to pay them right at the beginning of July this year. >> Out of curiosity did they do a due increase? >> Uh they do a due increase every single
year. Yeah. Sorry I didn't mention the number. It's $330, but that's a $10 increase from last year. Um, I think the prior year was a $10 increase as much. So, >> I'm just curious if they've been keeping
up the with the usual minimal increase. >> Yeah, it's very >> and we we pulled that out of the WPA budgeted item. So, I don't >> So, that would have been item was in the
budget. I have bring up the invoice here. >> Well, no, I [clears throat] know the invoice our actual line item in our in the town budget. at the time now I don't have >> so in other words it's coming out
so not the WPA which we use for individual that would go to a class correct >> yes >> moving on >> we also have now just quick reminder we
have funds set aside for public outreach and education Yeah, we as a commission can also use that for other things. Um, in regards to um education
account conservation commission dues and training. >> No, no, we have a different there's another one. is a $5,000 life uh account that I fought for several years ago um
that we voted for at town meeting a special town meeting. One of the two >> that's for education. >> Yeah, it's supposed to be public outreach and public education. Now we have a problem here. Uh oh, never mind.
We have $350. professional services. No. Yeah, we $350. I think you're supposed to vote on >> for um >> Yeah. >> Okay. I always remember it was a voted decision when we put the money where it
came from. >> So, we have a line item for con training. I don't remember ever seeing that before. >> It's $250. How much is the cost with MCC? >> $65 general cost. >> Did you do it? Was it a webinar? Did you
go to >> where in the week? >> I'm sorry. >> Devon's >> uh online. >> They don't do that many in person. I think they have >> I used to enjoy going to the college. >> We're in the Okay. What else? Anything else?
>> Sorry. >> Uh you already mentioned your emergency certificates coming up. Oh, I got a new quote for um packers for boundary markers for conservation. It's not a great decrease, but it's a decrease. Uh
got from name is the name of the company. They took over the work from Adrian plates. They they had previously done [clears throat]
some plates for us back in 201. Is this for the wetland boundaries or the conservation land? >> The town and conservation commission plans >> land or like boundaries. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. Can Colby have you not? >> Um they were uh $7 a piece. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Feels like like that's expensive.
>> Yeah. I mean Chad, you know >> we have the amount in left over in a grant 50 which is $50
>> for both that's the leftover money from any of the land grants that we've had last two or two years. >> Yeah, we have a surplus for the year previous. >> Yes. Okay. So, we should be
>> So, is it the standard placket like we've had all along? >> You didn't change it. >> It's the white background with green right [clears throat] there, right? >> What? The link should be right on the town calendar.
I'm just gonna track the first one out. [snorts] I think everybody come back to that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. double check here just make sure
everything um covered in broke. Yeah. Um just on that the women broke discharge. I did speak with the the u >> the person that reported it. >> The person who reported it as well as
the ranger uh at Damon Pond. >> Okay. Um and then he had noticed it coming over Falls Brooks um north um and going into Willlet Brook. Um but they had no more information and from there >> they said they saw it coming from Trap
Falls cutting into Willlet. So we know it started at Traps >> above Traps but that's as much as we know. >> And there was an odor when I got there around 3:30. There was odors still there to >> an odor. Yeah.
>> Oh, >> I couldn't tell you. It was odd smell. >> Was it like a minty fresh smell or was it like septic? >> No, I don't think it was septic. I think it was agricultural but that's
>> no I'm just trying to think of what but we did we did our due dilig >> I didn't see any floating fishes >> so that's a good thing >> that's everything I >> so that got reported how does it get reported to us >> I got I received a phone call
>> he received a phone call and I received a phone Paul >> just from a resident uh saying what they had observed. They observed some uh brownish water in elevated uh water level. So
>> and they thought the water had raised up a little. >> Yeah. >> And what time did they say this happened? >> Late afternoon. It was >> 3 4:00. So they noticed that around you.
>> I can take a m >> Yeah. By the time that they got to us, I got out later. >> All right. Yeah, cuz I didn't get notified about it. >> Does anybody know where Trap Falls comes from?
>> Ashley. >> Hoping for a little bit more. >> We don't. It's We know. I know where trap balls comes from. >> Right back in. How >> the
>> you know the old bridge that's shut down and that is where it meanders down the side of the road, right? All the way up towards Ashby. That's its origins. So it's in between Willow Brook and
Wheel of River. It could be. >> No, it's northwest >> kind of running parallel. What road is that coming up? >> Turn pipe. >> Turn pipe all the way up through. Then after a while
>> that's it. So yeah, it's >> Yeah, I didn't realize it. >> And it ra the water when the water raises. That's You can figure something out where that could have come from. I'm going to
>> take a peek at something tomorrow. [clears throat] >> We see you, Kobe. >> Yeah. I don't want to get >> Can Colobby have screen sharing, please? >> You should be able to share now. >> Thank you. >> Is going to show us the clocks. Do you
order them, Kobe? >> Same thing. >> That's the artwork for it. >> The same exact one we had. Uh yeah. So let's say we can make a vote. >> We make a vote for him to and approve
these now and just get it out of the way. >> Right. Are we just going to stick with 50? >> It's what what we have money for. >> Right. What are these? >> Um so we've been surveying conservation commission um owned land throughout
town. Every year we we pick two parcels. Um actually you were you sat in on the meeting when you were talking about the one that goes along the back of your house. >> Yeah. >> Um and actually the surveyor will found it and then
or the boy scouts are supposed to do the ones on >> we had two years ago. But it's just to put a boundary up an indicator of when you're on conservation commission property because
you know if it private property you know um our land you can hunt obviously private property >> well you couldn't hunt there anywhere >> it's any it's any [laughter] hunt >> you can't hunt behind that place Uh
yeah, we're in 500 ft of the dwelling directions. >> Um do you want us to just now for your B to purchase? >> Do you mind including exhausting the rest of the ones on panels?
>> Yeah, aluminum ones from wherever. >> We have I bought a box. There is a box in there, >> but yeah. Okay. So 50 of these and then remainder on aluminum. Yes. >> Not much fun.
But I don't have the exact number. >> So I make motion that we [clears throat] approve this um this proof for our boundary signs. Um and to purchase 50 of them using our
grant funds from the land grant from natural river um watered >> waterhed my brain's fried. Um and any funds left over to be used to purchase aluminum
nails to uh attach these to trees. >> Trees. >> Second. Seven. >> Roll call vote starting in Mike. Yes. >> Abigail Farley. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes. >> Janice Dan. Yes. >> Sandra Lord. Yes.
>> Sorry. I kind of just wish that >> um >> No need to spin on it. >> No, I didn't. >> No. I just had one quick question. >> Yes, sir. >> Is what are these things made out of? Is it plastic or laminated or what? >> Aluminum.
>> Aluminum sides. It's a circular aluminum placket. >> Okay. Brian Pton. Yes. >> Good question. And I should have allowed for discussion my apologies. >> Really [clears throat]
[snorts] goodbye. >> Yes. >> Second. Sorry. >> Jimmy did. Mike wanted to though, but I got it. >> And then I I I railroaded it and didn't allow discussion. So,
>> oh, >> I got the next one. >> We'll see. I got my hand ready. >> All right. Uh 3.1 reorganization of mission and [clears throat] vote for officers. Um that is so we need a chair, a vice
chair, um and then a clerk. We're voting on all of that tonight. >> We are. >> What? >> Okay. >> Because we do need to do it annually. >> Oh, once a year, didn't we last year?
>> No. >> Don't have We didn't even have a full commission. But yes, we need to. >> All right. So, we need to um [clears throat] nominate or make a
motion for a chair. >> Can we get this clear? >> That doesn't matter right now. >> It stands. >> No, it doesn't stand. We're voting for all new positions. >> That was the question. That's why I made the error. That's >> what you said.
address it. Okay, we're good then. >> So, uh, >> so we do each one individually. >> Yeah. No, I don't really care what order if anyone else. >> So, why don't we just go to the chair? Get the chair out of the order. Motion
to reappoint Mr. James Gate as our standing chair. >> Second. Second. [laughter] >> Nice. I'm sorry. >> I chose I chose not to. >> What's up? >> I chose not to go in for it. >> No, no, it's okay. You're quick at this one.
>> You got to be Yeah, you >> that that was my student council, [laughter] so I practice going fast. >> Okay, so we're all good on that. We're gonna >> discussion. >> Yeah. Is there a discussion? >> No discussion. >> Well, I don't know. >> He knows what he's doing.
>> Yeah, he's >> I don't know. I' I'd like to take a couple of pokes. >> Would you like the job? >> No, it's just let's Yeah, let's get this Let's keep this going. Let's make this an early meeting tonight. I never hear a
point. >> So, all right. >> Sorry. >> We got our I want to I want to go through what um these [clears throat] roles are. these what are what the roles and
responsibilities are just quick [clears throat] and I'm just pulling this out with this random resource um but board chair oversees board affairs ensuring the integrity of the board's process of governing and supporting the
organization the chair acts as the representative of the board as a whole um the vice chair provides additional board leadership and assumes the role of board chair when the chair is absent. Um
then [clears throat] clerk typically clerk is responsible for meeting minutes um for um checking we have a >> green cards. >> Yeah,
but it's red now. >> It's all right. But it that's what the other clerk's role and then also reading the legal notices for um RDAs. And >> is Colby doing that now? >> Yeah, but really >> he's not supposed to,
>> right? >> But we like it when he does because I don't have to as you can. Okay, we'll see. >> I'll take a poke. >> There aren't enough pictures for you to do it. Oh,
>> see that's why he's got the crown. >> Yeah. >> Is there an actual rule that states Kobe can't do it? >> No. >> Well, Kobe also Kobe only has so many hours in the week. >> Um, and
you know, it'd be good to have someone else another set of eyes. >> We got a lot of Yeah, literally. >> Hi, Lori. >> Hi. Hey, how you doing? >> Good. How are you? >> I'm I'm just listening in tonight. Um
>> Okay. >> But I can tell you how most of the other boards do it >> if you like to hear that. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, generally the clerk is the last person on the board.
So when you reorganize um anybody can be anything but it's kind of a introduction for the last person who comes in and it is just as you stated you know they read the
correspondence and they do read um they do some notes for minutes but Colby will end up doing the minutes them himself probably or if there is no you know staff person then there would be a
clerk. So somebody has to get broken in kind of thing. It's an easy way in I think. So just just my thoughts. Good luck. >> Thank you. All right. So that was the discussion
point. Um Jimmy made a motion. Mike made a second as chair or for chair. Um, there's no other points. We can [laughter] do a roll call. >> No objections. >> Roll call. Mike said, yes. >> Abigail Farley, yes.
>> Uh, James Gates, yes. >> James Draw, yes. >> Sandra Ward, yes. >> Brian Peterson, yes. >> [clears throat] >> I made a motion for Mike Popside to be vice chair. >> Second.
[clears throat] [laughter] >> You ready for the big leagues? >> What's that? >> You ready for the big leagues? >> Yeah, right. >> Huh? >> I just have to think about, you know, what happened when I was vice president over at Simon Park.
Are you no longer? >> I I'm the president now. [laughter] >> See, he knows how to climb the ladder. Going for the power >> electedly. Electing. >> So, okay. >> When I was asked to be the vice
president of Simon, all you have to do is run the reading meetings that the president isn't there and look what happened. So, um, not that I'm wishing anything [laughter] bad, but is it literally at this point run the meeting if you're not there?
>> Yeah. >> And then deal if if something were to happen and you would have an extended period where you couldn't >> carry out your your responsibilities, then I would have to uh deal with with CO.
>> Uh, yeah. Um and then also during meetings just additional leadership and um but also coaching new commissioners and um coaching. >> Yeah. >> And if he doesn't
show I'll be here to help. Don't don't you'll be fine. >> Okay. >> You'll be real fine. Okay. I've only I'm not I can at least say I've only missed a handful of meetings and they've all been you know
circumstances out of entreprene second. Is there other discussion? Are you going to be bringing Scooby snacks in now that your vice chair? >> Is that a part of it? No. Did you see that? >> No. Kendra's working her way into that. [laughter] >> Okay, we got we're too much
>> too much into the weeds. >> Yeah. >> So, uh, roll call vote starting. >> Who? >> Jimmy second. >> Okay. Mike Fox said, yes. [clears throat] >> Abigail Farley, yes. James Gates, yes.
>> James Dan, yes. Sab. Yes. Yes. [clears throat] >> Congratulations. [laughter] [clears throat] >> You didn't see that coming. >> Um, who wants to be the clerk? >> Oh jeez. >> I don't know about the >> Take note. Take notes. Read.
>> Take a shot at the clerk. >> So I So what? >> It's simple. You'll do fine. >> What is the uh [laughter] role again? um taking notes during meetings uh to help Kobe with meeting minutes. Um if
you're comfortable doing meeting minutes, um I'm sure he wouldn't, you know, complain. Uh but then there's reading legal notices that we receive when we have hearings or um appointments, you know, for notice of
intents or uh request for determination of applicability. And then there's um [clears throat] uh mailing cards that we have to review um before we open a hearing to make sure
all the >> which Kobe would have them online. >> Yeah, it Yeah, it used to be a little business. Do we even bring them in online the cards or the um >> the delivery receipts for the the
butters? Uh I've not seen one but that's what the >> not online but it's >> the certificate of mailing is also that we're talking >> yeah because I don't we haven't seen green cards >> they've been using the certific
>> I just have one question um so >> the fact that I'm going to be return putting in my volunteer response form next week but the fact that my term's about to end and You'll be reappointing me. That's not going to cause a problem. >> We'll just go through the process again, right?
>> We go through the process again. >> Yeah. >> So, that won't >> it makes it all the more dramatic. Makes it all the more, you know, >> once you get your name you get your name on the >> Yeah. You know what? There we go. That's kind of nice.
>> I'll I'll give it a shot. >> I'll give I'll I'll give it a shot. >> Maybe next year. >> We were thinking about first person since I started >> you know offered up the court or to take on the court position and it's
>> well well funny enough uh that's what my dad does for his Knights of Columbus and he just keeps saying yes so he doesn't get the chairman role or something like that so you know I'll [clears throat] take it on I'm here to get experience so I'll thank >> okay
>> so um >> I'm Does anyone want to make a motion perhap to be chair or clerk. Sorry. >> I will make the motion to um bring on Abigail and as the clerk second. >> There you go.
>> Roll call or any discussion. >> We just kind of had it. >> Yeah. >> Mike said yes. >> Abigail Farley, yes. >> James Gates, yes. >> James, yes. >> Sander Lloyd, yes. >> Brian Pinkerton, yes. >> Thank you, Lori, for chiming in. Thank
you. Kobe 3.2 any Have you um had any time to compile anything? >> This is >> the standard operating. >> Yeah. nothing more than bring up a
[clears throat] couple websites from other conservation commission and I namely ever run which was pretty good with their website but they don't have anything you have a print out of >> I can bring their websites and show you
and go through what they have um it's a good idea to look at their websites anyway it's already better >> well It's a physical copy. >> I haven't seen guidelines. [clears throat]
>> Okay. Um, >> so at the risk of this becoming stagnant, um, we I think we need print out for the commissioners to just even look at. >> Okay. Um, but I also wonder we can have
Patrick and Ronnie come in the next meeting or that's probably too soon for them. maybe the first meeting of July and provide us an update on World Meeting House, but also
bring in some resources on um trail creation and because it's part of their they network with professional organizations. >> Yeah, and I agree. I think um but you
should be prepared to have some guidance on what to do around and whatnot, >> right? >> And we also there are exemptions in the WPA4 foot paths. >> So having that prepared in a you know
just print out of that one section also you can pull it up now. [clears throat] >> Take time. We are in >> [clears throat] >> So, Mass Autobond has trail guidelines.
lines relative to the WPA [clears throat] 3 or narrower. [clears throat] I can send you something fully, but it's pretty broad. So, um, [clears throat] so for our new
commissioners. We've we've had a trail alliance in town come to us um [clears throat] in hopes of expanding and maintaining existing trail networks that are specifically like old meeting house park um and we've given them
permission and um we brought this up that we need to establish a standard operating procedure for this um so we can continue to do this and continue to allow individuals and groups groups to maintain trails. Um
the Lberg go club has had a great experience um doing trail work in Lindberg and Shirley. Um and we're hoping to extend it into Townsen. Um so that was the background.
What do you have anything else? >> [clears throat] >> You want to share your screen with what Pepp uses? >> I'll just go through some of the folder. >> Well, Paul does a nice job with people
up there with snowmobiles, too. They integrated really, really well. >> Okay. is the DCR. >> This is just one of the things we go through there. There's certainly a whole lot of guidelines. I think we
could just reference that as our standard operating procedure and be covered. >> We How many pages is this? >> 103. >> So
every before every meeting Kobe shares um a file link with uh with documents for the meeting and this is in there. Um, I think it obviously I'm not going to
put 103 pages six times. Um, so we should look at it and I I think this is comprehensive enough where we should probably just adopt it. Um, but I we're not prepared enough to
do that tonight. >> Yeah, everybody should have it in hand so they can look at it. >> 103 pages. So, [clears throat] >> can you just forward it to the emails? >> That way we can I can go through it.
>> We should become acquainted with that before the next meeting is the >> how to create and maintain trails. >> Oh, okay. But basically it's extensive from another town. >> Read through it all and then take a vote
on whether they're not getting cool. >> Sounds like a plan. >> So we on the screen is the DCR trail guidelines and best practices manual. Um,
I've never done this, but we all have homework for next meeting, which is next week, >> right? >> Yeah. 27th, right? >> Next week, we all need to take an hour and just go through this. Um,
>> I can put it together, but then it's me speaking, you know, the agent. No, >> but I can narrow it down, I guess. Is that what you want? >> I don't think so. Oh yes, >> because it's not you as you brought this up and the way it's worded is standard
operating procedure soft is what it's called development for trail creation and maintenance on concom projects. It's not necessarily to do with the WPA >> or our wetland bylaws, which there are to get taken into account bits and
pieces, but it's the overall um trail creation maintenance on our properties and DCR's um BMPs is probably the best way to go, but I don't I'm speaking from my experience. Um, so I
think we all need to review it and you mind trying to send it as a PDF and not a zip so people can pull it up on their phones. >> Oh, sure. >> Yeah. I just
show those files PDF I can open them. >> Okay. So this is we're going to table it once again to uh June 27th. >> So 24th.
>> Yeah, 24. One week from now. >> 24th. Sorry. Thank you, Sandra. >> Oh, no problem. Um Are there any issues with that? We don't really All right.
3.2 uh I mean 3.3 volunteer response form uh reappoint of Mike Post. Uh I motion to recommend Mike Post for reappoint. >> Second.
I told you I was passionate. [laughter] >> I gave you one. >> I need more coffee. >> I mean, we just appointed them as our vice chairman. So, I feel like [laughter] >> Well, we're going to end up having to reappoint you in another what, two
weeks, three weeks. So, >> no, next next week. >> Next week. >> So, make sure you get Okay, hold on. Let's finish what we're doing before I get sidetracked. We have a second for roll call vote starting with Lincoln. >> Yes. >> Abigail Farley. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes. >> James. Yes.
Yes. >> Sand. Yes. >> Brian. Yes. >> And in celebration of my reappoint, I'd like to offer >> we didn't reappoint. We recommended it. >> This ain't the idea. We got to put you in front of the big people.
>> Got to swear again. got to go nominating a select >> you could send Sabrina and the select board. >> So seriously, I have to go down and be re No. >> Yeah, once the select board does it or
reappoints you. >> Right. Okay. First signs trust. All right. 3.4 in-house WPA um crash course. Um so the or D has offered to
um come in for a [clears throat] what we described as nuts and bolts. I call it crash force whatever um for the wetlands protection act. Um so we need to come up with a date and a time
um that we can um meet um [clears throat] we will post it as a meeting but we are not going to be discussing anything else besides the presentation. >> Who's coming in from the D? [clears throat]
>> Emily recommended uh she volunteered to come in >> the circuit circuit circuit writer. >> Yep. Okay. So, Kobe, uh, you want to throw out a couple dates or dates?
>> A few dates and dates, please. >> I'm asking you if you have anything. >> Oh, no. Well, she left it fairly uh open and she said that she can come in the evenings. >> Yes, >> we can do something in meeting room, too. Yeah,
>> we're going to probably do a 7:00 on structure or maybe earlier for her if she's driving. >> I think earlier would be good for for the sake of circuit rider. >> So if every could everyone be here for like a six o'clock?
>> Sure. Sure. >> Wednesday. >> Well, that so that's the next question. What is the best day of the week? >> I was going to say Wednesdays are good for me. >> Yeah, >> I can do any day. I'm fine. I'm fine.
>> Wednesday is a pretty good day. I mean, I could adapt if we needed another day, but Wednesday is the better one. I concur. [laughter] >> Okay. >> How about you?
>> Yeah, but I don't necessarily have to be here. >> No, you don't. Um, but it's always good to put faces and names together. to skip quest. I know Emily. What? How come he gets to skip quest? [laughter] >> Cuz he's the agent. >> Oh.
>> Um. So, what? So, obviously July 8th and July 22nd we have meetings. Um, >> we got to run it as a meeting. Can't we
just kick off a meeting earlier and do a >> risk education and then roll right into a meeting >> at the risk of having five hours alto together? >> Five hours. >> Sometimes these [clears throat] can run a little. >> So if you're going to go do a two-hour
class starting at 6, you know, then we do a meeting till 9 or later. Yeah. Right. It's No class. No, we don't know how long it's going to be, but if you know questions get asked and everything before you know
it, we're down rabbit holes and talking about things we shouldn't be talking about and it's 8:00, >> right? I say just leave that day open. [laughter] Uh I so I I what the 15th or the 29th
Kobe? >> Okay. >> Sure. I know that works for her. >> Does that work for everyone? [clears throat] >> I don't think the 29th >> 14th 15th or the 29th. >> All right. So which one is it? Well,
we're going to give her two. Oh, okay. All right. >> Yeah. I could go a half an hour earlier like at 5:30 if anyone is interested in you can do it even a little earlier than six. I don't know how anyone think feels about that. >> Jimmy, I don't care. >> All right, sounds good. I could do
>> it. Early is fine. >> Early is great. >> Okay. So, >> give her the option 5:30 or 6 um for those two days. 15th is the better date for me I believe
but yeah I should be able to do both. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> So we do it. >> So it stands in the 5:30 either the 15th or the >> either of those days. Hopefully one of
those work for her right [clears throat] >> otherwise we'll back to the browing board and the dates. >> [clears throat] >> 3.5 is there a copy of the EO for the CC [clears throat] way into the correspondence
[clears throat] act utilities um have to vote on them separately 3.5 Um, so we can we'll call it 3.5 and 3.6 >> and 3.6 >> signatures here. >> Okay. >> What? >> And 3.6.
>> Yes. So 3.5 we'll do Warren Road and 3.6 we will have D road. Yeah. Um so the highway department >> [clears throat] >> uh requested a emergency certificate to
do a beaver dam breach um on Warren Road um as the um >> beaver damning is causing flooding issues. Is [clears throat] that witch brick that they I assume he must know off my must.
So these they will [clears throat] reach the beaver dam and then install a flow control device. Um, and it is a start date of today, uh, with an end date of July 17th, 26
because these are only good for 30 days. Um, they are not trapping the beavers. They don't have the funds to do [clears throat] that. >> So, they given them 30 days cuz this is a non-trapping incident. >> Yes, they breach and now they're going to go with the beaver. >> They might, right? I don't know if it'll
be receiver, but it was something similar. and you know they need to do it again in 30 days they can but after 30 days they have to come back to us. If they come back to us that's going to be a problem. >> Could you explain again what this is about? >> Yeah.
>> Uh so in order to re uh the beaver dam they've already done it once this year and they should have done this form prior. >> Okay. >> Um so this is them doing it. Uh they
need to do it again because the beavers rebuilt their dam. Um and >> so it's just dismantling the beaver dam. Is that >> it's really minimally invasive. They can't they don't take out like the
entire thing. [clears throat] They just the whole is as it sounds. It's a breaching. >> But then they're going to put in some kind of device to >> Yeah. some some bars >> to prevent them from
>> completely blocking it. >> And why will it be a problem if they don't do it within >> 30 days? Because the emergency >> certificate is treated as a 30-day permit. >> So, [clears throat] they just reapply. >> No, >> no,
>> you need to apply for a proper permit at that point >> because this is imminent dam imminent imminent um damage to infrastructure. Okay. >> See, there's other ways you can go at dealing with
geese, beaver, nuisance animals. I, on the other hand, I took a different one. >> All ends up the same. But with this, it's unfortunate they didn't have the ability to trap them out. >> They don't have the funds.
>> Correct. I >> to trap them. To track them, you have to do it with a health department um emergency certificate. >> Correct. >> This has already been already signed it on our behalf earlier today >> and now we are ratifying it and making
it official with our signatures as a commission tonight >> on both. >> That's the next one. >> Yeah. >> So, this is for Warren Road. >> So, we're voting on this. >> What? >> We're voting on this. So, I wouldn't even know how to make the
motion. So, I'll second it if you make it. [laughter] >> I make a motion to um >> Well, yeah, let's do the [clears throat] Let's ask questions, please. >> Let's not just up there. We can point to where this thing is.
>> Yeah, it's the crossing the Warren Road. Um, it's either a culvert or a bridge there. Cover >> is right by the Swan Cookook uh game club or >> Yeah. entry >> hunting club. Okay. I know where that
is. >> That's Witch Brook. They put a new house up there on the corner two years ago. >> Yeah. >> And it's backing up um at least to the area over here in Maplewood and coming
up into on their properties. >> That's the extent that I know of. It's um >> so the water's actually backing up on the residential property. >> Um the back at least the back portion of Maple Wood Drive
>> on that corner there, >> but it's also the the water um the height of the water is getting close to cresting the road. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Cuz that's right before the
[laughter] fish rod. >> Yeah. And it does it will get high band and eventually will come up over there. >> I guess my point being if it gets to the point in time whether it's coming up and encroaching on people's properties or
basement or septic it automatically promises to man. Uh so there were emails associated with that and because it's there's no threat
or there's no trapping involved that comes to us. >> It can stay there. >> Okay. All right. Questions, comments, thoughts? >> Approved.
>> So So one more quick question. So after the 30 days, right, as a regular, >> they really need to get rid of beavers at that point. >> Okay. >> Or travel. >> Okay. >> They will not leave.
>> They won't leave. Nope. But >> and the chances of the beaver deceiver being effective in working is only as good as the amount of time it takes them to monitor and to keep the deception going. >> Did Jim describe to you the
what they they're using. He did to me and I forget. >> Um >> it's not an actual >> some kind of screen. >> Yes. >> That they can just pull out every year or so and then put it back. >> Yeah. >> So it's less invasive. >> Yeah. I've seen those.
>> So now during this 30 days, can they breach the dam only once? >> Yes. I I think what the screen does is it keeps the material from getting into the culver itself, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Because they put had to take a telephone
pole to punch the beaver dam out cuz it's in the culver. It's not an exposed like mine was on West Meadow. These guys got smart and said, "Hey, if we put it under the highway, those boys are going to have trouble breaking it." So breaching isn't really They're not
breaching, they're poking. Same thing. Same thing but different. All right. [clears throat] Anything else? >> No. >> Thank you. >> Um I make motion to um ratify
this uh the emergency certificate for um towns and [clears throat] highway department for the breaching uh and removal of Beaver Dam at the Culver. um [laughter] which is spring um which is
[clears throat] with a start date of June 17th, 2026 and an end date of June 17th um 20 >> July 17th >> July 17th, 2026. Thank you. Um
is there a >> Mike second roll call vote starting with Mike >> Mike Pson? Yes. >> Abigail Farley. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes. >> 17. >> James D. Yes. >> Sandra Lord. Yes. >> Brian Pton. Yes.
>> So that's a full 30. >> So before everyone leaves, after we're done all this, we have the actual certificates to sign. >> Um so 3.6 same exact situation but on Dudley Road.
Um, and this is start date June 17, 2026 and end date July 17, 2026. This is to ratify um the emergency certificate that Kobe signed for earlier today. >> And I assume they're going to go
>> with the same procedure. >> Same exact thing. >> So that's where it would be on Doug. >> It would be just as you >> in between Barkerville and Turnpike, >> right? where you would take that left in front of Wayne's house.
No, >> Cody or something like that. >> Right. Right. Right. >> It's where right where they just did that logging in that area. >> That upper hill that's all state forest. It's that one section right there that >> it's a big swamp there.
>> Gets up in Wayne's house. >> Oh, that beautiful quaking bug perhaps swamp that's on the Oh, >> yep. To your left. [clears throat] Yep. >> Yep. >> Which is it? That's all DCRI. >> It is. And it's not breaching Beaver Dam
does not drain the wetlands there. Um I just want to make sure that's noted. >> Um so is there any discussion before? >> It's been only invasive and that there's no trapping.
>> No, same thing. Yeah. So the traffic is actually a board of health. Um >> yeah like >> like we have later >> like we >> like we have later. >> Yeah. Yeah. Some situations need to be dealt with in certain ways. I mean
agriculture. >> Well this is an agriculture. >> Uh correct. >> This is behify the emergency certificate for Dly Road. um for the towns and highway department to
breach uh and or remove the fever dam and installation of blow control device start date of June 17, 2026. >> Same date. >> End date is July 17th, 2026. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call vote starting with Mike.
>> Mike said yes. >> Abigail Farley, yes. >> James Gage, yes. >> James D, yes. >> Sandra Lord, yes. Brian. >> Okay, [clears throat] it's done. >> Boom. And done. >> Thank you, Kobe, for pulling those up. >> Sorry, who seconded on that?
>> Jimmy on this one. >> Sorry. >> You want to just pass those around now? Sign them. [clears throat] >> Yeah, we can before we forgot. So there are just two uh two one copy of each.
>> Yes. >> Not this one. >> Oh, these are his signs. >> Yeah, >> that's okay, right? If I just made copies of it or do you want more than one original? [laughter] >> It should have
read the direction. >> [laughter] [snorts] >> Just quietly. >> No, choose wisely. >> Oh, choose. >> Abigail, here's the first one, [clears throat] >> but make sure you repaint [laughter] the one that you signed as well.
>> [laughter] >> Then the second one's right next to you. Do you want the ones from you back in here? Do you want me to >> right next to you? >> All right. >> So I just I just sign this one. >> So you sign it on the left, print your name on the right.
>> Yep. >> That's it. Second one right next to you. >> The second one. Same pen, [clears throat] but I'll use a different pen. Oh, you can pass that pen down.
>> [clears throat] >> Next step. [clears throat] >> Yes. I need It's trying moving along. All right. [clears throat] There we go.
>> [laughter] >> All right. Planning board mandatory referral notice. Um, there's nothing else besides what you put on the agenda, right?
>> [clears throat] >> No, I was just going 4.1. >> What? >> I'm sorry. What? >> That didn't work. I'm talking 4.1. >> Yep. >> Um, all right. Planning board mandatory referral notice. Um the hearing concerns
an application by Governor Smith and Kenneth Tully for modification of site plan special permit granted under zoning bylaw uh 145-54.1 age restricted development. The applicant requests a modification to the
planning board's notice of decision dated December 9th, 24 reported in book uh 83 876, page 318 for the approved age restricted
development special permit and site plan review. Uh special permit at 1 depot street extension assessors map 51, lot 56, lot zero. The proposed modification would retain the requirement
uh for the designated open space area approximately 21,000 54 square ft which is less than half an acre. Um as shown on sheet C 6.0 O of the approved plans while eliminating the requirement that this open space be
placed under a permanent conservation restriction pursuant to Mass General Law Chapter 184 sections 31-33 [clears throat] can you explain why that's a requirement by chance? Um, yes, I can
share the screen. I'll just bring the bylaw right up and see exactly what we're dealing with. Okay. All under article 9 special provisions is 145541
down [clears throat] 4.1 And this is is for ADUs um excuse me ards uh age restricted developments. One of the requirements is under
E [clears throat] number right there. Nope. Right down right there. >> See it. or is it >> maybe not? So with these developments um or cluster houses uh there is a open
space guarantee or an open space um that is required. Um and we are the people or we are the organization that get to hold the conservation restrictions. Now conservation
restriction tells you what you can and can't do on the prop or on the the piece um of land that is outlined. Um >> I'll read I can read it now if you like. Um >> yeah. >> Okay. So if I was sorry I was >> well can I let me just finish the
conservation restriction thing. So with holding the conservation restriction, we are obligated to provide a annual assessment and report um to the state. >> But what we have to we have to submit a report.
>> Yes. >> About you know is >> but it only to the 2154 square feet. >> Yes. But is this is this piece of land being used for what it's intended for? We don't have the resources to do that.
>> Meaning we don't have the ability to go do the inspections >> that's associated with the other one that KDA did on the top of the hill. This one? >> Nope. The top the top of No, that's not >> No, no, no. I'm talking about the other
one they just put in over 55. [clears throat] >> Yes. Yeah, that's being worked on. >> Okay. >> Um, so there's a lot of back and forth with the state. There's there's a bunch of moving parts to this, but
it's just it's it's open space within this this property that isn't really that much. And it's to my opinion my opinion as an individual um you know it's it it's uh consumes a lot of
resources to maintain the requirements um that the state has um reported. So >> in other words, this is a physical write up of what the condition of the property
looks like if there is or isn't. So Kobe >> any type of incursion or people doing what they shouldn't do etc. Yes. >> How do we monitor it then? >> Um well they are asking for a um
they're asking to eliminate the requirement. >> Now we talk about specific to this case or in general >> specific to this case. So you have to ask for for it. So, >> don't we hold the restrictions on some
properties? >> Oh, we do. And we haven't. >> We don't quite know. >> Right. Right. >> Colby, can you read the bylaw? I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Uh so it follows on the basic requirements um C6
minimum common open space in the development shall be 30% of [clears throat] the law area and not more than 20% 25% of the required minimum common open space shall consist of wetlands. The upland open space shall be contiguous
and usable by residents of development. A permanent conservation restriction running to or enforceable by the town shall be recorded for the common open space and shall include restrictions that the land be retained in perpetuity
for conservation or passive recreation. So we are going to see start to see these more [clears throat] and more often and it's it for these smaller um you know developments um you know if you look at developments
like Timberly Park, Peter J drive >> um drive those had big house lots and then a large common area or open space that was attached to to it. Um, horseshoe drive has swan
meadows attached to it >> as part of the order of conditions. >> So, >> with a lot of restrictions on it >> and so it's one thing if it's acres or even an acre but a half an acre that
that takes it time consuming. Um and yeah, again more just to get the per view on a half acre. >> Yeah, just to have the the um conservation restriction on the open space. >> So that's why it's easier for Kevin and
tell you >> we are to provide comments um for this. So the planning board is is suggesting that we they are holding a hearing regarding this.
>> Is that the 22nd the hearing? >> Okay. >> Uh yes. >> Okay. >> For this particular piece. >> Yes. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> Kobe any specific recommendations on your part? >> Say that again.
>> Do you have any specific recommendations? Any any thoughts? Um yeah, so the removal of the conservation restriction is really um a removal of the how long it lasts for because in in the bylaw here you can see that they're
not removing the open space um but there's nothing protecting that open space like a [clears throat] restriction does conservation restriction does into perpetuity. So um
I think uh the removal of these conservation restrictions really need to be taken on a um property case by case by case um or project by project and you have to look at even though these small
portions like this one is going to be 20 roughly 20,000 square feet a little less than half an acre you have to see if the big can provide some connection to a other open spaces or if it does
provide some special habitat area. >> Do we have a plan that shows where this would be? >> Great question. Yeah, >> it should be. >> I want to have a whole breakdown of it. >> He's got it right. >> I want to It's required.
>> Lori, are you paying attention by chance? It's okay. >> Wait a minute. I just was looking for the button. Can I help? >> Um, as as a realtor, um, I guess I I I'm
curious to your thoughts on the conservation or and your planning board experience, the conservation restriction requirements. and open space requirements for >> exactly >> these small developments.
>> It's the back corner. >> I think I think when you're looking I'm sorry but I didn't pay attention to what lot you were on. I only heard like half acre. What? What? >> Yeah. This is for uh Kevin Smith's and
Kenny Tully's um >> down by the restricted housing. Yeah, the depot street. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um I personally and as a realtor,
I'm not in favor of conservation restrictions, but I understand you have a job at that. So, what what's the issue? >> We just we we're not struggling. We're just looking for opinions.
Oh, I'm not in favor of them personally. >> Now, for him to be able to put this in those five units in that amount of space, >> are you paying [clears throat] attention? >> No. >> Please do. For him to be able to put
that in, doesn't he have to put aside that 21,000 square ft be able to get the approval for that in that area? >> Oh, what did you do? Do you have the decision of planning board? >> No. So the planning it's a mandatory
referral notice. We just have to provide comments or no comment. >> Oh. >> And we we get to be the ones to hold the conservation restriction if >> which I don't see how it we don't have resources for that sort of stuff.
>> Uhhuh. But at the same time, that 21,000 square ft was predicated on that so that project can be built. I think we're obligated to
it. I mean, look at it realistically. >> Yes. If that was part of the planning board decision and um I I remember all the hearings. I wasn't on when they did the final decision. I don't believe
um >> but my point being if that property was approved due to the conservation restrictions of 21,000 square ft >> Mhm. >> Conservation restriction or open space? >> Open space. Conservation.
>> Okay. That's what I remember. I remember open space. I think we're joined at the hip with it because I mean if they're going to get the approval and they say okay we're going to put up 2100 square feet open space and then
they ask for that restriction to be removed. You I don't know everybody run that by themselves. You tell me. >> I wasn't I was not aware of that. I know
that he did agree to open space. I also know that he came to us with six units, not five, and then the bylaw passed after that that would have allowed him the six units. >> Got it.
>> But he still only did five. So, I'm I'm not I'm sorry. I'm not familiar with his asking for that to be removed. Was that already at planning? No, the hearing is next. Is the u
[clears throat] >> Well then you you as conservation just state how you feel. I mean it is a small portion of that land but compared to the total parcel
it's even smaller for you to deal with. Correct. >> So, I don't know what all your rules and regs are for following up on the open space. Um, but that's a decision for you to
make. >> No, but it still would be under raw perview. >> No, only if it's under conservation restriction, right? >> I I agree with you, Jimmy. It was just my [clears throat] fing. >> So, we Yeah. So,
>> um Too bad we can't see what's there. What's there now? >> We see where the ragged >> line is. >> Yeah. >> Is I assume that's the stone wall that was put in. >> So, well, the squiggly line is the limit of clearing.
>> Clearing. Yeah. Okay. >> So, here's your limit of clearing, which it's all >> wooded behind that edge. >> Yeah. And then he's got this seating area lined with granite. >> Granite. Yeah. Chip. >> Right. And then there's a a granite wall
in the back of these two units. >> Um but the rest it's just wooded. >> So specifically the open space. >> So the the open space the conservation restriction puts us in charge of monitoring.
>> No no where is it? >> Oh it's this dark area. >> Yep. this hatched area >> that's 2,100 >> typically on the larger developments that have open space associated with them that land is subdivided and then um
it is deed to the town for conservation commission under open space which is chapter 90 something >> 145 >> no like 97 whatever but >> 97 or I'm just >> way
We talk about >> I don't even know if I'm even remotely close. Um, >> you know what's that? >> But because it's only half an acre, >> the squiggly line is the >> Okay, hold on. Hold on. Anything going on?
>> So, we Let's just go around the table. We can talk it out. >> Mike, did you have anything else you want to add? Well, I I didn't touch what what are these rectangles here for? >> Is that if this is I work if this is the
limit of their work. >> Yeah. Can you zoom into those tables? >> He's showing some picnic tables there. >> Yeah. And instead he put some granite. >> Mhm. >> So, actually on the outside of that
squiggle line is flat open area. >> Yeah. It's like a common space. So, >> so, so this isn't all wooded now? No. >> Yeah. Uh, >> or so he's going to put some picnic tables there in the woods. It doesn't seem, you know,
>> No, I think that line is misrepresenting. >> Yeah. What line? >> The squiggle, right? The broken up. >> No, I don't think the squiggly line is off. >> So, what's the squiggly line again? >> That's the limit of clearing,
>> right? So, okay. I think I may agree with you. That's misrepresenting. Correct me if I'm misunderstanding something, but uh the limit of clearing of trees and all that is in where it's supposed to be open space.
>> So the no that so what it's the dark shaded area is called a hatch. That hatch actually encompasses some of the lawn area >> that is like in between the units. >> Yeah. um and which is included in that 28,000
square 20,000 square feet of open space. The the um lot was cleared up to those squigg the squiggly line um and that's again known as the limit of clearing. >> So the picnic tables would be outside.
>> I don't think there he put granite. I don't >> Okay. >> He put this like he built this rectangle thing. >> Granite. What? Granite. rent slabs. >> Looks like stone edge. It's pretty. >> So,
continue to ask your question and I'll try to answer as you go and then we'll keep going around the table. So, the um because what I'm trying to think is the shaded area is supposed to be the clear. >> The shaded area is what is included in the 20,000 square ft.
>> Okay. >> 21,000 ft of open space. >> Okay. Um, yeah. I'm just >> And you're This is your first meeting to ask all the questions you want. >> Yeah. Because I'm just a little confused
that if the shade area is trying to figure out how to word this it the shade area is what's included, but it's not all of it. Um, >> it um, [clears throat] >> what do you mean by not all of it? So I
I'm just confused because we have the limit of clearing for the trees. >> Yep. >> And the shade area which is supposed to be part of the open space. >> Yes. >> Cuz it it feels like some of the open
space is supposed to be woodland from what >> it is. >> Okay. The open space includes woodlands. >> Yes. And it also includes grass. >> Okay. that that was something I needed because
Okay. I I was wondering if it had to be like cleared open space, but now I know that. >> Okay. >> No. And now that we're talking to it. Yeah. >> And that's the squiggly line isn't true representative. I'm looking at it from above.
Do do we also know what's near that um what's near the uh other forested area because that could be an animal crossing that we don't know about.
>> What would it be our business? Well, if we're first meeting, let talk our way through this. >> If we're um offering our opinions on whether to remove the restriction, shouldn't we know if there's important?
>> Well, if it's within our jurisdiction. >> Okay. >> So, that's a good question. And you know the yeah we have to so we also have to we play we play this fine line with um jurisdiction like KB's
perfect example is KBY is also the storm water agent we do not storm water is outside our jurisdiction as much as I like talking about it in >> it's in a resource area >> what >> once it's in a resource area
>> right you [clears throat] know We yeah, we have to be careful. Um, so that's a great question about the animal passage and it's something that we have to pay attention to. >> Yeah, I was just wondering what kind of what habitat that's part of just to see
if it should be something that was in our perview. >> Jimmy, do you have anything else you want to add? Sandra, >> like I said, I I agree with Jimmy. I mean, >> you don't have to agree with me. >> No, I know. In my opinion, you need to make your own opinion. But she but she
did. >> I did. You know, I really like >> I'm not saying in circles, >> right? I'm not saying I have to go with your opinion, but I I agree with it, but cuz I mean, when he went before the planning board originally, that was part
and parcel of it. And that's that's what I'm looking at. and someone else who does this would be like well well that this person >> um this person get an amen uh got rid of the conservation restriction why do I have to have it
>> it's kind of a slippery slope too >> but it's it it's treated on a case by case basis the little cut >> but you see what I'm saying though this one this person but I don't care who it is it could be >> Jane do you know whoever whomever um
Yeah, >> that that's another concern of mine, too. I know it might be case by case, but >> we're looking at a very very small amount of square footage, >> right? >> For open space, >> the whole thing. >> My concerns out of it is if the approval
comes through with open space predicated >> so that they could build that, >> we own it. >> I I don't think it did. You all of a sudden say, "Well, no, after it's all built, we'll pull the restriction off.
You just have to put it on till everything's done and stabilized, except Oh, that's right. >> It's like an after the fact thing, and that doesn't sit well with me personally, >> yes. Um, [clears throat]
but at the same time, you got to look at how small of a square foot area it is. It's not. But is that less than a half acre? >> Yes. >> A full acre is 4,000. >> 44,560
by 60. >> Guys are way too good. I had that number in. I thought you had >> Hey, I have the same number 43560. >> It's like drilled into a realtor's head. I >> was just going to say that's a realtor.
>> Explain it. Um, >> can I um Jimmy Jane, can I ask a question, please? >> Um, and I'm ignorant to this and I'll admit it, but I'm just trying to figure out
open space is different than conservation. >> A conservation area >> restriction. >> It's a conservation restriction. Mike, you've been explaining conservation.
>> Can that can that not be used? >> So, in other words, like you can't walk on it. You can't have a picnic table there. You can't put flowers there. >> Uh, no. So, you can use it, you can use it for recreation, pass a recreation,
flowers. You could even have it worded as gardens or, >> you know, vegetable gardens. My my one and only experience with the conservation restriction is this uh Squan Cookook Meadows and I guess it's a
similar situation that the land was given to the town so that the horseshoe lane could be developed the it is a much more complicated situation because of the soccer fields and the species and the town water. So
it's the the the effort that has gone into creating the document which is the restriction which are the rules that you have to follow uh is extensive and it's taken a year to do it. this situation would be obviously
much easier and I'm wondering if you know I don't know is there boilerplate for this kind of situation because some lawyer would have to get involved or some environmental people would have to get involved >> to create this this document and once
and in the document if in the restriction it might say uh passive recreation that there are paths that are already there or maybe you you could plant some flowers and could do some things. Obviously, if there's a lawn there and that's designated a
recreational area, then obviously the restrictions would allow people to have a picnic on that kind of thing. It all depends on the wording of the restriction, which is are hoops that have to be jumped through. So, on the one hand, it seems like if you're
supposed to have a restriction, you probably should have a restriction. On the other hand, I think while we now have um land, the conservation commission has land that we we hold the restriction and so
supposedly we go out there every year and we monitor to see if if the rules of the restriction are being adhered to. So in this situation, if we added this to our list of u properties for which we
are supposed to monitor, um chances are we wouldn't monitor all all that much just like we don't monitor the other ones. But if you see if we see in any one of our lands a real violation then we jump on it. Okay? It's like we have
limited resources but when we see something we jump on it. could be a similar situation here. Yeah, it's a little piece of woods and some lawn near some houses and we expect people are going to use it and if they
the restriction is flexible enough so that they can use it in certain ways, fine. If we see a real violation, then it's our responsibility to move in. Mike, I I you that was an eloquent probably the most appropriate way to
explain it all. Um, >> appreciate it. Thank you. >> So, so bottom line is I think my opinion and that has [clears throat] had 20 minutes to be created is that we probably should hold a restriction, but
I'd be very interested to see what the rest what what the the restriction includes. >> Correct. It's what warrants that level of overview. The soccer fields is like you said, you have a bottom, you have the endangered species, you have the
housing, etc. It's a different scenario. This much easier, much simpler to be able to keep an overview to look. I mean, I have garlic a bigger area garlic now restriction area. So, it's not that big.
Yeah, >> it's a it's a very doable, easy to monitor situation. But my point circle back to it. Why did they put it on in the first place? Cuz they had to put it on
because that was put on so that they could do this project, >> right? >> If that's the reason, >> it sticks. Yeah. >> That's James Duro's opinion of it. What I didn't know until I got involved in in the Squan Click Meadows restriction is
that it's forever. It's locked in. So that >> 100 years. >> Yeah. So that if um we someone gets wind of someone building a treehouse in the restricted area, that's that's when we move in, you know, so if it's a clear
violation. >> And you guys went into incredible language and depth into that whole thing. ain't over yet. I I was I was getting close >> astounded as >> way way too much.
>> Could I add something? I was at I was actually at that planning board meeting when they um originally when when Kevin Smith went went there with his plans and design and everything. So that's why I feel strongly about it because I saw it unfold
my my opinion. And Kobe, I saw you wanted to say something. guys, you had your hand raised. >> Sorry. Well, I think Mike is hitting on it pretty good. Uh the difference between open space and congregation restriction. You know, we don't really have a definition for open
space for the town. And I would say that probably the state doesn't really define it that well. There's certain expectations that people have on it, but doesn't mean it can't be developed later. Um now conservation restriction is generally like removing some activity
or some use of that um portion [clears throat] of property like develop new development rights is usually removed from a area conservation >> within reason because I know the one up off of North End Road um
>> for uh Kimble Farm if I'm not I think that's the right one um allows for a sugar shack to be built at you know Right. Right. So if it um it's more descriptive what the area is used for in
conser conservation restriction. I think the the intention of the bylaw. So it's for all age restricted developments. I think the intention was to maintain it as open space. So, but there's nothing um to say
that in the future that they can't do something if if new owners come in and want to do something differently, they probably have a legal standing to do do so later in the future. Um I will say, you know, I've uh defended I defended
this um about a year ago. Um, and I think um that these really these conservation restrictions in open space should really be seen as um a a feature of these properties because if we talk about quality development in
town, these smaller areas that um the residents uh especially um um elderly have to enjoy right outside of their um dwelling. gives them a decent degree of protection. That gives them the
impression of that they are in an area where they have >> a section that will not be disrupted >> that they will have forever and then a day >> and certain aspects of that point is important.
>> Yeah. And and the restriction includes what is allowed and what is prohibited. >> There is burden. >> It's very clear what you're going to allow >> burden and what you going to. this as an individual part would not would I assume would it be all homeowners getting
together to put that verbage in as to how they want to protect it >> that's I don't >> should that be something that in due time we say listen >> owners of these five units you have 2100 square ft of area >> 21,000 >> 21,000 square ft you guys need it we're
going to turn it over to you this is going to be your your piece of Go ahead I mean >> you no you bring up a very good point because ultimately these developments it will be the responsibility of the developers to create the CR on them
>> and these take a long time the CRS to get approval because there's multiple levels they have to go through state approval. >> Oh yeah yeah yeah. So it's not the time to do it right at the end of the project >> all the approvals >> which is kind which is part of the
problem here not just the size of it but just >> I agree >> really needs to be started you know right from the develop >> from the very agree >> I have one more question you said that
we um don't have the resources to really check up on this is there >> not just this it's it's them and conservation researchers that we hold in general. >> Is there a penalty for us not doing a yearly reporting?
>> Not no then. Um I think that even if we're not able to check on as regularly as I do the very aspect of the restriction I think would be a a bit of a deterrent
in itself. And as you said, we do check are able to check on the more blatant violations. So I think that would be a uh deterrent in itself from actually >> causing a problem to arise to begin with. >> Good point.
>> Yeah. But you know, Colby is right. This should have been done. I mean, I was surprised. >> Yes. >> To see that it's already there. The buildings are there. I thought this was sort of beginning of the process. No, the buildings are there. Um I even think
there's people that have moved in >> and so so this >> close >> the hammering out of the restrictions and getting them okay should have been done. >> So beginning >> I'm going to bring bring this reel this
in um and remind everyone we either can provide comments to this and spell it out [clears throat] >> or no comment. I think we should provide some sort of comment or a couple comments.
>> So that's that's fine. Um I'm gonna go ahead. [clears throat] It's 9:00. >> Oh wow. >> The mega trip. [snorts] >> Um so there's this open land that's under
our purview. >> Not yet. >> Not yet. [clears throat] Is it going to be donated to us under this? They still hold the the deed, >> right? >> So, it doesn't get divided up between these. >> It's a common area, right? >> Right. Because it's a it's a condo
association. >> We're sort of what's what's the modification that they're asking for? >> Uh an exemption from having to do it. And as Mike said, this should have been thought of
>> restriction. And as Mike said, this should have been thought of a while ago and done a while ago. >> So with that said, I'm going to abstain from this vote in writing the comments. The vice chair is going to write and sign as vice chair.
>> Oh yeah. [clears throat] >> So Mikey >> and um >> lies the >> Yeah. So all right, I'll write something up and then I need to run it by someone. No, you you have the commissioners to run it by and you should vote on the
>> key points. Keep it short and sweet, >> but to the point >> and then write it out and then sign it like P said, vice chair >> with the date >> and we all [clears throat] peek at it and look at it. >> Well, so when do we all peek at it? Next week. >> Right now. No, now.
>> Now. >> Yeah, because the hearing is Monday or Tuesday. >> Okay. So you got to >> so let's >> jot down the main talking points that you got that we or you guys talked about. >> So um should we say [clears throat] that
should have been done I mean should have been done earlier >> right? I think the criteria should have been, like you said, should have been set at the or hammered out at the getgo >> before the buildings went up. >> The restriction should have been created. >> It was approved
>> at the inception of the project. >> I think in the that would be the eloquent beginning of it. I mean [clears throat] the conception of it is that you know >> project um and this is why we go through a
process to begin with. >> I mean everything gets okay then it is what it is. I mean it shouldn't be able >> Oh we think that we would see the tricky part is that we'd like to see the
restriction. We'd like to see the verbiage of the restriction before we accept it or we just >> want to see verbage. >> We are the ones who are >> that accept the restriction the the
verbiage of restriction I believe. >> Well, we're the ones who are creating the verbiage which they're going to have to ac accept, right? >> That's a good question. Does it then go to the planning board after someone le
>> I don't think we really as a whole including mean Kobe do you >> do you even understand the the process to this >> I don't know >> because this is new >> or is it the planning board and then >> accepts our comments
>> of of just determining the conservation restriction on the on on the the property [clears throat] we're discussing. It's like any other conservation restriction between the property owner and the holder of the conservation restriction where the
property owner explains what they want to limit or prohibit or um in the CR and then the holder of it accepts that they are responsible for monitoring it.
>> So but you you do go back and forth as you >> That's right. That's right. So the um >> what I think Mike might might know more about that give and take. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. So basically the holder of the restriction
for the Okay. >> Meaning concom. >> Yeah. So we would we would need a representative of Gongcom would work with the developers
uh environmental consultant to work on the restrictions and we need to we need to have it before we accept it. The verbiage >> I for some reason see it a little simpler than that. You know, it's a
different beast than what you put together with Emily Vine and Veronica and everything at soccer field. It's a different beast. >> Correct me if I'm wrong. >> That sounds right. >> Yes.
>> Especially because there's other ones coming or in the pipeline. whatever whatever how we look at it that it should have been done before though in my mind that >> which is a valid point that need should be made right >> everyone had pretty much a similar
>> standpoint yep um and that we just have to come up with a a simple [clears throat and cough] way to convey it >> so we would be willing to hold the restriction upon the um what's the
better word agreement Um, >> acceptable terms. >> Acceptable terms. Yeah. Okay. Would agree to hold the restriction upon
um mutual um acceptance of mutual agreement? Mutual what? Agreement. Mutuals. Um mutual same thing. Um
agreeing with mutual of the conditions the the conditions of the restriction. The conditions of the restriction. Okay.
Short and sweet. I mean is that it? >> Yeah. >> I say what your point just now. Short and sweet. Yeah, >> defined. But at the same time, >> Con believes, okay, should I just say um Con believes that um the conservation
restriction should have been uh created at the inception of the project. Con um agrees to hold the restriction upon the mutual acceptance of the conditions of the restriction. Is that just too
>> I'm curious how is that how that breaks down because each [clears throat] individual building is going to be owned by an individual person and these that house that properties deed to them. >> There is a building they own the physical building.
They don't own the land is my understanding. >> Yes. She might know more how that works, but they kind of like call them I guess with the >> condo association >> association. >> Oh, so they >> So are we saying in general that still
stand? >> Is [clears throat] that what we're saying? >> Okay. >> Is that is that my understanding that we we're holding our >> stance that we believe this should still stand because of what what was just stated?
I just want to see if I'm on the same page as everybody else. >> I don't. Sorry. [clears throat] Um acceptance with the um
uh what are they? Um uh what what's the organization that >> association association? >> Yeah, I they're going to working under an association >> with the Ask Lori.
>> Lori [clears throat] >> with the governing association. >> Yeah. Property owners of the >> That's why I asked it there. >> Right. Right. Are they going to work under an association if it's under if
it's that is looked at as a condominium project? >> They are condominiums. >> So that condominium has a association then right for all five of them. >> That's correct.
>> Dues have to be paid monthly meetings etc. stuff like that >> right there. Um, they must have their documents or pretty close to getting them by now. They have not closed on any units that I know of.
So, but they're the 55 and over developments cuz that's what they are. There are multiple um >> have a particular master deed uh that they have to follow that the
state has developed which is what happened in 1985 when they developed the condominiums the condominium laws. So yes, >> they would have to follow that and then any restrictions
on the property have to be disclosed and be a part of the association's documents. [clears throat] >> Good point because that is going to be something that what we are putting on paper now all five individual owners are
going to have to sit down, read it and understand [clears throat] >> that is a part of their deed. that is a part of their paperwork, >> you know. >> Yeah, it's an unfortunate can of worms that we'd be opening. >> Yeah. >> And I don't reopening or is it someone
that didn't >> didn't before it got to us, >> right? >> And I kind of don't think it's fair that we get put under the gun to put verbage together like this at 910. >> This sounds like a planning board problem, but I'm going to keep my mouth
shut the rest of the time. >> All right. Yeah, I think I I think that they're going to have to make the decision and I don't >> I know that whatever was agreed upon at the time that the plan
um and again it it didn't go as presented it he didn't get the units that he wanted. Um but if there was open space in lie of something
it was agreed upon by him the owners whatever at the time. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Um okay we'll just Okay. You can this is acceptable then I'll I'll write it out
here while you move on. uh concom believes that the conservation restriction should have been uh should have been created at the inception of the project. Concom would agree to hold the uh conservation restrictions upon
the m mutual acceptance of the conditions of the restriction with the um condominium association. >> We're pretty straightforward. It it you know Not a lot of premature on that. I
mean, it sounds all right. You coming back into this now? >> So, so are we. Um, >> so just telling me if this wording expresses what we what we want. >> That sounds really good, but I was just wondering, should we add we we stand by
the original circumstances? I mean, what's our final thoughts on this? One step further. >> Again, it's only comments. Yeah, I was going to say do >> we feel that it needs our stance is that >> we believe there should be a conservation commission. >> Okay.
>> There should be a conservation restriction which should have been okay. Okay. Okay. Um yeah >> what you just said >> we believe there should be okay. All right.
The concom believes >> just it firms it up better I think. Yeah. Yeah. That. Okay. All right. I'll start to write it out and we'll see where we go. [clears throat] Okay.
>> Careful rolling. I don't want to see you go over backwards. >> Got to give you guys some entertainment. >> Are we insured for that? We we need some music to go along with that to be added later.
>> Curve your enthusiasm music. >> It's It's 9:13. I got to have a little fun, right? >> You can move on to While I'm doing this, you can move on to beers. >> Oh boy. >> No. Finish it off. You got to vote on it.
>> Oh, you got to vote on it. Okay. Can I ask why did you >> nope [clears throat] >> under open meeting law I don't have to >> okay >> but that doesn't mean you can't assume [snorts and clears throat]
[laughter] >> we I try not to assume >> that [laughter] I think is right. It's a scandal. [clears throat] >> It's do really good under pressure. You're
handling it well. >> Um, >> I need to do a spell check on that when we're done. >> He's a teacher. I don't have to worry about that. >> Oh, don't you know teachers are notoriously bad at spell again. Have that pen
I almost became one. I know, >> right? >> The ones you would not think. >> So are teachers are bad at three things. >> Spelling, Penmanship, and remembering
people's names. Those are things you're supposed to be good at, but all teachers are bad at it. an agenda that look like >> that's why some teachers don't honey remember the name >> you know the little kids the little you
know first grade kindergarten [clears throat] sort of they look at in the planning or they can just rebroad it anyway. >> Take it back. >> They're ultimately got to make it the same. Right. Correct. >> Yes. >> Then I don't
>> have to just hold up on that's all >> as conservation. We're the holders of it. So they decide to you know >> require it. It's it gets thrown on >> us. It was kind of a surprise when we learned about this a year ago when
>> you know that year ago, right? So >> all right here here it is I can space to modify it if I need to. The concom believes there should have been a restriction which should that should be a restriction which should have been
created upon the inception of the project. Concom would agree to hold a restriction upon the mutual acceptance of the specific restrictions with a condominium association. I think that phrase is a little out of order, but I think it gets the point across.
>> It gets the point. You could re >> Yeah. >> tool that a little bit, but that's still >> you you get it to the doorstep. >> Okay. Who signs [clears throat] it? >> You. But you should make a motion to
accept those comments and a second and a roll call vote. >> Okay. four. >> I will make a motion to accept the um wording of the what do you call this man comments
>> to the planning board regarding the uh >> conservation restriction >> conservation restriction at one depot extension. That good enough? >> That's good enough. I'll second.
>> Okay. discussion. I >> think we already did. >> And uh roll call starting with Abigail. >> Uh Abigail Farley, yes. James Gates abstain. >> James Dor, yes. >> Sandra Lord, yes.
>> Yes. >> Said yes. >> So I sign it here. >> Yep. And just uh after you sign your name, write vice chair and date it. >> And then put a smiley face.
Flower on flower with smiley face. >> 676. >> You mean nine? >> What? >> Nine. >> Oh, wait. What? >> Never mind. Sorry. Date. >> Pig [clears throat] now. Or Oh, >> thank you. >> I don't file that. It's dead. [laughter]
>> Hey, thank you. >> Hey, what? You want to read it? >> No. Aren't we supposed to have a second person sign? >> Is that what we just talked about? No. >> We seconded it.
>> Mike signed it as the acting vice chair. We I seconded his motion. I could have just said so moved. stretch now >> going to border health emergency certificate for beaver removal on 441
west road um at James Gorian this is just a copy of the 10day emergency beaver or muskrat permit to trap and remove them um from a agricultural field questions concern And yeah, it's just a
correspondence. [clears throat] >> So you guys don't have any questions whatsoever? >> The um the backing up. >> I do. I don't have any. >> What are they actually where are they actually daming Lock Brook?
They they restricted Lock Brook's um flow to the point where it came across West Meadow back up underneath the um culit. It diverted the brook directly into the production field and went down
a thousand yards washing silt right into the squawker until I took the initiative to >> and the board of health already signed off. >> Yes. All right. >> Actually expired
>> already. This is from June 1st, >> right? This is a different structure than >> Well, so the beavers were tra for this instance. The beavers were trapped. >> Yeah. >> All right. All right. >> We could afford trapping. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, where's what are we saying we
need to do with this? >> We don't have to do anything. It's just correspondence. >> Oh, okay. Then we can move right along, right? >> Part of the education of what certain >> Sandra is tired. We need to move along. Yes, [laughter] >> nice job by the way. I'm proud of you.
>> Um 5 Z uh or 5.0 >> what >> education conferences July 22nd 2026 MACCC has a fundamentals unit um 102 protection act. as new commissioners,
you are uh Colby [clears throat] can set you up with MACC, Massachusetts Association of Conservation Commissioners um for education that is paid for by um the town. Um they have
many different classes to take. There is a fundamentals um uh units that are a requirement uh and then there are electives um that you take to then you can become certified
from them. Um >> I just wish it wasn't the 22nd because that's the plan board hearing. >> I don't know what time it is but they have others. They have they have a lot of other um classes. You can look it up online. They
send also emails um you know with upcoming classes. So it's it's a great opportunity to expand knowledge uh get an understanding what this is about um from a outside organization so you're not just siloed
within our little town of towns in there. >> Yeah. What time? Uh they usually run six o'clock >> for the webinar. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Do you recall off hand, Colby? >> Yeah, it's tomorrow 6:36. >> It lasts two hours
about >> um they you know, yeah, it's it's a Zoom for this one. They have other ones in person. Um >> and if you can get to the go [clears throat] to the ones in person, they're good for you. You get to
interact with other commissioners from other towns. You get to deal in a lot of different teachers and and there's state of Massachusetts offers a lot of stuff. I've gone to two or three classes at Walden Woods. I've gone to two or three classes at Garden in the Woods and
Framingham. >> You You don't have to convince me. >> I mean, there's a lot of stuff out there where and they sent me towns and they paid for it. >> Yeah. And there's proper site um you
know site visit uh protocol that >> they'll teach you sedimentation controls >> [clears throat] >> um they have plenty of processes to choose from and we really should do it but they also have its basics. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So the D is coming to give us like a
crash force because they know how new um majority of the commissioners are. Um >> are they aware of that we got a lot of >> Yes. They're fine with that. That's great. >> You [clears throat] you you don't have to convince me. I'm I'm already all for it. I'm not excited. I want to do that.
>> Even if this class doesn't fit into the schedule, they have they always have stuff going on. Um but yeah, come in or call KBY, talk to him, and he'll set you up with them. Um >> question, this kind of correlates with it loosely. So, is there within the
budget money to buy the physical copy of the book, The Wetlands? ACC. Um >> um I don't know. It's wetland protection. >> Yeah, but it would have to be it can't leave the office. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, you can buy your own book. They
have it available. >> Oh, okay. >> Um $16. >> How much? >> 16. >> Yeah. I mean, I got a I got a b I should bring them in. >> Well, it's from the 1980s, but >> I got I should I got all my soil books.
I got MACC books, Bernal Pools. on and on it goes. >> So, as new commissioners, >> as new commissioners, really, you should read our bylaws, which is chapter 138, and our regulations, which [clears throat] is chapter 152, I
believe. >> 152 138 150 >> 15 >> 15. >> Not that long. [clears throat] >> I'm wrong. I didn't hear. >> You said 150. So, it's somewhere around there. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. Regulations and bylaws are separate. I'm not going to go down this road, but it it's a short read really. It tells definitions that review them. Um, don't be afraid to review all this stuff
before hearings um or appointments [clears throat] because you can only retain so much. >> Yeah. Um items for discussion at the next meeting of continuation of a NOI number 308-0730
um PWB 2026-006 Brooklyn Road. I have you have you seen anything on that? [clears throat] We haven't seen anything >> meaning anything of what specifically >> from >> from Dillis and Roy. This is for Kevin's
project >> from Jack. uh from Jack. Jack or Frank. So, we probably should get that confirmed before we submit the next agenda. >> Yeah. >> Oh, you're saying to make sure they got they they're on on board and ready to present and >> I I don't think they will be. I do know
for a [clears throat] fact though 6.2 pounds of Historic Society, 72 Main Street, and it um 72 Main Street because it it's um the tree cutting within buffers remediation plan. We [clears throat] do have the stuff um for that.
>> You need stuff for that. As far as everything >> Frank has got all the paperwork together. Boom. Boom. Boom. >> He's got the paper. He's he's got a draft. >> Okay. >> Which do you know? Have they submitted
anything for the RDA for the staging in the Squanic book for the [clears throat] coup? >> Yeah, >> they have to have because they're supposed to be going in it. There's the RDA for next um for the legal um for next week.
>> Okay. For >> and that pertains >> to the staging. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So [clears throat] that will Yeah, that's also on the discussion next week for this meeting. And then 6.3 is reappoint of Abigail Farley. Make sure
you turn in your answer form. So she's got to go through the whole >> application again. >> Application then we'll just do the motion and go through the >> one and twice. You have to do
[clears throat] >> Yeah. Um so next meeting is >> next Wednesday uh June 24th 2026 7 p.m. >> Um >> someone want to make a motion to adjourn at 9:25? >> I will make a motion to adjourn at 9:25.
926 >> 928. >> Who are we going to go? 25 28 26. What do you want for the number? >> We get fully. Yeah, >> just pick one. >> Second question. Yes. [laughter] >> We had fully. Did you get the time
there? Do you guys want to adjourn or [clears throat] >> 928? >> We can do official. >> That's what it is. >> Mikey time 27. >> Who Who seconded that? >> I'll second. Roll call vote starting.
>> Yes. >> Abigail Farley, yes. James Gates, yes. >> Jimmy D, yes. >> Sandra Ward, yes. >> Thank you everyone. >> Thank you guys. Great job. Is that a wrap?