like to call to order the April 23rd um 2025 Council of Conservation um meeting at 7:01 p.m. Can I have a roll call,
please? Starting with Mike Bad, James Gates, Kevin Smith. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. This meeting is being recorded. Is anyone else recording uh chairman's additions and or deletions? I don't have anything. No. Chair report. Anything I have uh
will be covered in the agency report 1.6 review approved meeting minutes. Hope these look better. Thank you. Yeah. Did you have Yeah, we need some corrections on
Johnny's block, right? See, it's been made clarification there. It was good. That's why. Thank you, Colby. Make a motion to approve.
What you want me to make a motion? Have a chance to read. Yeah. The very last page. JD says he can no longer do this resignation. You can't resign without a
formal letter. Okay. Well, that's tomorrow. What? JD says he can no longer do this. The 25th is his resignation day. There's no letter. So, we don't have a letter.
We can't accept his resignation without a letter. Grumpy. I hope he's listening to this. He might be on table. I'm all set. Like to make a motion to approve the uh
meeting minutes to February 19th, 2025. Second call from Mike. Mike Packet. Yes. James Gates. Yes. Kevin Smith. Yes. And then there is the other one. Do you have the other one, Mike? two. Were they the same date?
Yeah, that was just one. Okay, that's fine. Um 1.7 agent report. Uh, one of the things that saw in one of the best um, summaries was the agent report was
added like in writing which is probably a copy and paste thing for you, right? I just have to type it out. I keep it in. Okay. Yes, I would keep it typed as a log. If you don't mind inserting it. Nope.
And then it's a report. It's on record. If we go by minutes back there, agents report issues. We paid for our invoices.
We paid for two courses through MACC and a conference. Uh that was totally lame. These would total uh $280. Uh I want to start right off by saying we had we do have two open positions on
the conservation commission. Uh if you're interested, uh you can email me at sereater towns end townsendma.gov. Neat people. what I've been doing. It's really
boring. I've been doing a lot of data entry. Our files have been kind of scattered throughout uh several folders and a couple drives. Um so I've been consolidating all the indexing information for RDAs, NOIs, OC's into
one spreadsheet. Um and the the good part about that is that everything will be in one spot. It can be sorted and filtered. Um thereby you can figure out um you can find uh our RDAs and LC's
really easy. Uh as well as you can tell what discrepancies there are. Um, yeah, and that's where I'm at right now. I'm finding out what o open OC's there are, what expired OC's and those
that need COC's, uh, certificates of compliance and order of um, conditions if all right. Yeah, it should be a lot easier. I spend a lot of time just searching for
information and just because there's been a lot of conservation agents. Everyone had their own way of doing things and it's it's messy. Not to no blame of their own. It's it's kind of a busy job. Anyway,
site visits. I did several site visits. Uh one to Deadly Meadows. Uh examined the survey work there and the condition of the property. Uh they did a really good survey job. All the stakes are easy to find and visible. Pins are where they
should be. Um there is some uh uh pretty large areas of encroachment. We're going to have to deal with those uh recording them. Pictures been taken, but there's that's going to be more down the road. Uh 56 Bay Hill Road. Uh stopped in
there. That's the amended OC that we just had a hearing on and that's looking good. the fences up and doing what it should. Uh 66 Bayberry Hill Road. Uh that's a
um property that has a a two house plan on it and we went up there Beth Jackson and I uh to check the storm storm water uh permit. There's no storm water controls whatsoever. And there was a siltation of
uh into the into the wetland crossing there where there's a culvert. Um and the the uh I sent out a letter to the applicant. Uh there was also a failed silt fence. Yeah, failed silk
fence. And that's part of the call. It just was kind of done incorrectly. um inadequate. All the fill from the the crossing there was just going right into the stream because the sil fence uh
instead of like you know going to the cover just went right across the stream right at the right at the end of the cover silting in. Um, so a letter was sent out to stop by the railroad trestle at
Squanook Greenways. Um, again they had to be contacted as well because uh they were they were not following the OC. um because they were not they didn't place uh tarps underneath the the
uh dismantled it. So they received an email and um and to do it better. Uh let's see what else. I stopped by one depot extension to check the storm water
there. Saw that the infiltration trench has been dug and I actually saw the rainstorm. So, no problems there. Uh, that's it. That's all I got. Well, we've been busy.
Um, so the storm water associated with 66 Bay that should have went out through planning board and not our waterhead because I know you're agent, but it doesn't fall under our jurisdiction. It's a minor storm water permit which is
the conservation agents. Um No, I know it's your because you're the storm water agent but probably should have been um on planning board's letterhead. I I know that there was OC not on conservation letter. I know
there was OC in fractions and you have to but um dealing with it. Yeah, she's uh Beth the planning board assistant um she's been helping me with
the storm water uh for the time being u getting me uh spun up on it. So, great. But uh Okay. Yeah. Just so that it's pretty thorough. Yeah. Because every time I talk about storm water, I get I
get yelled at. So, okay. Okay. Still addressed as conservation agent. You can address well sign it as uh that'd be because you title is storm water agent in that respect. Yeah, I can
do that. So, okay. Um and I know that yeah, you'd be signing it. The letter would be coming from the planning board. You'd be signing it as the storm water agent for the town. All right, that makes sense. And then it's cut and dry. Yeah. Um and then so I
know with the Trussell Construction, you had also called Phil um with 66 Bay Area. I know you sent a certified letter, but a phone call to them. It goes a long way in any any not just that situation, but all
of them. I know the certified letter is you have to because it has to be recorded, but a phone call for anyone ahead of time ahead of time, you know, is is just a court. Well, I think it's a courtesy to the contractor
um that he's not being bombarded with a certified letter. He's getting it. It's it's it's coming. It has to be delivered to them. But I don't know. That's just my take on it. Well, you we've dealt with it. I'
because I've dealt with it on the other side of the fence sitting on wearing wearing my other hat. So yeah, it's nice to get a phone call and say, "Hey, hey, got a problem." Understood. Yeah, I I certainly was uh I used language that wasn't But that
letter to the rail trail people that was nuts that email. Oh, that was I meant to actually I tried calling you, but you were up for a compliment. That that was a really that was a well worded well email like
I guess yeah I guess there was a distinction there because I know that the contractor there have a past defender too violation okay for the rail trail or the No sorry
for 66 paper oh yeah but not no I still wasn't no contractor once they're not there's know big boys. That's why I like a That's why I like a phone that's why a phone call goes a long way. You know, they know they're going to get a letter in that particular case, you know, my
cousin. Yeah. Um No. Wouldn't you like a phone call? You know, you're going to get a kick in the butt. Sure. Yeah, I hear. Hey, there's Yeah, there's a kick in the butt coming.
Yeah, I can still make a phone call, too, because it wasn't that long ago, right? Um, in that letter, the the time frame it takes to get a letter because I've received stuff from the town certified and it take it takes a week, especially if you miss it.
Yeah. So, nothing wrong with it, but that but that email to the rail trail was nice. Yeah, that's part of that. So, thank thank you for being on top of all those. No problem. Pat did not join us, did she?
At this at this at this point. Oh. Oh, yeah. We have to get the voice to move her forward. So, I got Yeah. Um, so Pat hasn't joined us yet. I'm not going to
Oh, Pat is here. Hi, Pat. No, she's not on. No, she's here. But she's not. She woke up. She's muted. She muted. There she is. Someone's trying to get us up. There we go. Hi Pat.
Oh, can't hear you. Muted. Well, Pat's getting on uh Colby uh 3.1's monthly accounting report. Sure. Um, is there anything on here that is nothing out of
the ordinary? Um, just wanted to be here where where the money is for conservation, what it's been spent on salary. That's not that much. We can acknowledge that.
Yeah. We thank you for everything you do, Colby. Joe. Gotcha. Gotcha, buddy. I'm not going to go through a little bit of it. So, no debts. No depths.
Do you know what have you worked on the proposed budget at all? Is there any thing that we need to be aware of before the special meeting? I can cover that a little bit. Yeah, we had to make some uh budget cuts like what
minor because our budget is kind of low as it is. Testing, testing. We hear you. Hi, Pat. Hi. Sorry about that. Worry about it. Professional service.
I'll explain later. Come back to it or I can present it. Those are just proposals for uh it was actually included in the forum on a on a Excel spreadsheet. So it's been made aware.
Yeah, I do feel that. I I understand the purpose of the form, but probably should have been right. Yeah, there's no fight in that one. All right, Pat, if you don't mind announcing yourself, it's 7:20.
Hi, Pat Jalo. It's 7:20 p.m. Um, so we just did 3.1. Uh, 2.1. Do you want to call Jamie? It's going to take her a while to get down here. Yeah. And do you need her here for it?
What's that? You don't really need her here for it, do you? Well, no, but she wanted to be here at the dramatic moment if it's going to happen. You can do nothing dramatic about it. You can surprise her when you get home. Yeah. Yeah. But if you want to try to get it you if you want to move it
through tonight, we can move it through. Just continue. Showed up unexpectedly for supper with our grandson. So she's fine. You want to continue on continue? No, no, no, no. I'm not sure what you guys are talking
about. Oh, sorry, Pat. We're talking about um 22 Son Row Road. Um Mike Mike and Jane Potstead's uh house rebuild. Sorry. It had been continued a couple of times
and I just asked Mike if he wanted to continue it again. He said no. They live on Damon Pond. Yep. No. No. Pond. Yeah. Mitten pond pond. Sorry. Um, so 2.122 SAR road
uh continuation DB number 308-0719 uh TWWB 2024-197 approximately 7:15 p.m. Applicant uh Jane and Mike Pot said notice of intent continued from March 26, 2025. placement of house and
foundation with new foundation in house. Uh work takes place within 50 foot wetland buffer and 35 foot no disturb zone. Um we've gone through everything they've submitted um the revised plans.
We didn't really have any discussion on any special conditions. Um, holding and you haven't received any No comments. Um, so make a motion to approve the 35 foot
disturb waiver. I'll second that. Start. Roll call vote. Uh, I'll start and Pat will finish. James Gates, yes. Kevin Smith, yes. Yes. Sorry. No, you're good. Perfect.
Um, and then I make a motion to approve the standard order of conditions for D number 308 uh-0719 TWWB
2024-197 based on the plans the updated plan submitted to DP um from our meeting on March 26, 2025 with the additional erosion controls Um, standard order conditions. Is there a second? A second.
Roll call vote. James Keats. Yes. Kevin Smith. Yes. Jamal. Yes. Then make motion to close the hearing. 422 Sonoral Road DB number 308-0719 TWWB 20224-197.
Second. Uh, James Gates, yes. Kevin Smith, yes. Okay. Jim, yes. Well, thank you, Mike. Thank you. Now, we can put your conservation app back on. Oh, and Mike abstain from the vote.
Correct. Um, 3.2 to review conservation commission decision to support conservation restriction on Squan Cook Meadows properties property 40 Mason 40 or 42 Mason Road.
Um Mike is on the the CR um committee and guess Mike if you want to talk about it briefly and Okay. Well, I I sort of opened up um initially with a I referred
to it as a can of worms and expressed the idea that maybe uh look back at an earlier decision when the conservation commission had declined to take um control of the of the land. Um and it
was pointed out to me that uh for certain reasons it could be beneficial for us and maybe we can discuss that at some point but um it was pointed out to me that that wasn't uh the intent of the the commission of the committee um it's
not under their purview which is true and um I will freely admit that tomorrow night at the meeting that but I will also say that I I was glad that I opened the can of worms because of my initi iate a discussion amongst us maybe.
Yeah. And um uh and then go from there. Do you mind reading the minutes of and state the date in the the who was on the commission at the time just so it's right into record if you want to come up to the table? Yeah. You do it for
December 8th, 2021. That's when the it was voted on the the Yeah. are recorded. But I'm also going to stress that I am not opposed to the conservation
restrictions at all. I think that's a good thing and I think people got the idea that I that I was going to be sort of the uh obstructionist. So I want to make it clear that I'm not I don't think it was I think it was you were part of
the majority. Yeah. It wasn't just you um that voiced that opinion. Right. But but others who voiced it were not on the committee. I don't know. You know, I know what you're saying. Yes, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. So, I just
want to make it clear to them that conceptually I'm with them and um I think everyone is. I think it's just the the CR holder that they presented to here or that came to light.
Yeah. I wanted you want to have a discussion while Kobe does that or not? I found a little bit read. Well, so yeah. No, this is it. If you don't mind reading,
uh so it's just right record even though it is our minutes. Um the date of the meeting, yeah, who was on the commission at the time, which is at the top of it. Um and then just read what was what the minutes are and then we can discuss.
Sure, please. And thank you. All right. So, this is the Conservation Commission meeting of Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 7 p.m. Jennifer Eaton was a vice chair. James Luan Laquer, James Gates uh were all um
commissioners members. Uh Joan Seavoy was a clerk and Jessica Consalvo was a conservation agent. Uh section 3.4 is the discussion about it. Uh what was
the one the title? 3.4 is discuss options for future land protection of Squanook Meadows. I'm just going to read it verbatim. Uh Jessica Galvo shared a table with the conservation commission
that compared the details of the two options. One option being a conservation restriction and the other being a deed in feed transfer. Uh Jessica Kalvo shares her screen in the hope that the CC can go over the table together and
then the CC can share their option with the board of selectment who have the final decision before their next meeting. Uh James Lquair asks to table this discussion until the next
meeting. Uh Jessica Consalva Consalvo and the board of sleetman liaison Veronica Kell reminded James Agu that the board of selectman uh plans to vote on this topic at their next meeting on the 4th and so the CC can't wait to
table this discussion until their next meeting on the 12th. JS who's JSON Jonesy is in favor of the CR and thinks it's better to let a land trust manage
the property. She points out that the CC is a temporary fluid position and that the CC already has its hands full with the 30 properties they already own. The rest of the CC agree that the CR is the better option and will send this
information to the board of selectment. James Laqu motions to submit their opinion to the board of selectment. A Lanquer seconded. Motion passes unanimously.
If you don't mind just sitting up because I know you at the class committee meeting and read the what? I can read anything else if you need. I think so. Um Mike
I know who the the proposed um CR holder is mass wildlife and they haven't really had any options. I know Selena brought up other options, right? Well, she was going to
investigate to see if um Nash River in fact did come up with someone perhaps. That's as far as I know. Yeah. Um, yeah,
it's the mass wildlife is definitely involved enough that it's clear that they want it, you know, hand gag and is communicated with various. What does that do? What does
that do if the town wanted to put a municipal well in there? Anybody looking? It could be worded in a con or that area be left out of the conservation restriction. Well, what happens if that area, the specific
area when they drill a well and that well doesn't produce the volume or clarity of water. Now all of a sudden they they got to come over here and that restriction doesn't allow them to
explore a different well option in a in a location in a different location. I guess that would be my concern whether they hold the whether they hold the conservation restriction. I guess it's almost that bad if it's a moot point. But problem with that, the
pro the only problem I see is that years down the road, 50 years down the road, water is is going to be a, you know, water is is going to be king. States around the country, water
is like gold. And uh you know they just need to be care in my opinion they just need to be careful how it's worded so that in the event that you know we need water say 50 years down the road we're not going to be we're not going to be
cutting our uh long trope. You know what I'm saying? Do do we know if they've drilled test wells there those monitor wells? Yeah those monitors. Okay. I wonder if these are them. I was up there today prowling
around and um there were two two pipes in the ground and one of them that's probably a monitoring well those were washed stock them those were washed uh wash balls I think small wash balls are they about a 2 inch pipe
but they were on top of I don't know how big a burm can be but that up on top of the burm up on top of the burm oh on top of the slope I always knew it's always on the plants. It's always shooting down in the flatland. They didn't dig They didn't dig it back
far enough. But it brings up the question. Just kidding. No, I know. I'm trying to keep my mouth shut. If the um if there is a well there what is the radius of that 400 400 before you
could use pesticides or herbicides or something on I believe the municipal well is 200 ft which is a 400t radius I think the current de 400 400 from the well I
believe so but Kobe looks like he's looking No it just rings It be it would take me a while to look. So there's different categories though. Do you know if they use pesticides, herbicides on the soccer fields? They don't. Try not to. Okay.
And try to do an organic program for this. Oh, okay. Well, before I went up there not knowing what I was going to find find, I was, you know, read about Blandings turtles, whatever. So here's an article scientific from
journal experimental management of nesting habitat for Blandings turtles. And what's what they did is they um wanted to see if they could um improve um success rate by how they managed it.
And so it was mowing, weeding, and tilling. And as it turns out, tilling is the best. Do you know why? Uh, I think it gets rid of the roots and it's easier for them to to dig. The I don't even know how much we're
supposed to talk about this, but the turtles can actually smell the fresh dirt. So, if there's a construction site in a nesting habitat area, you know, this you have to have a
barrier to the turtles from coming in, coming in. It's not a lot of times it's not about this sudden going out. It's actually from keep the um so it national her natural heritage has
a real simple BMP's uh document of um outlining what you just said of habitat management and restoration. Um they used to have grants for too. Um and that that's one of my concerns is if NASA
like holds the CR on this, how hard are they going to make it to allow outside entities? I know Emily Fine works with a group of volunteers. I know Tasa part of the the project is but
my goal is for the habitat restoration side of things um to help them thrive and to keep them away from the um public but how hard is mass wildlife or could they make right everyone's life
that you know Emily and I know Jennifer Pettit they've both given so so much time there's been a ton of ton of hours up Right. Well, before I went, you know, I I've been a elementary middle school science
teacher for almost 30 years, right? And uh so whenever I and I give wildflower talks in Fitsburg occasionally and garden clubs, so I'm always on the lookout. In fact, I never look up. I'm always looking down to see what's going
on. And so I went there today with the idea, okay, how how can this, you know, be used for education because if you recall at the very end of the meeting, our charge was to come up with, well, what are some of the restrictions that we want or what are we
going to allow to happen? And someone said, well, maybe teachers could go in and do some kind of project with the kids or whatever thing. And after I climbed the burm and I walked along the burm um and I got to a couple places
where if a kid were to fall in slip 30 feet down and nothing's going to stop right into the water. I couldn't really find a place. I mean that sure there were a couple of you know down below in a flood plane area the um
certain um wooden enemy and uh false haore were coming up and you know that's kind of interesting but it's not a place where you would bring kids so I couldn't really find an educational use for occasion. That that's a good note for
for a committee meeting. Yeah. You know, again, I think I'll steer this back to kind of what the original discussion is of when that was voted on in 2001.
21 21 21 um yeah, December 2021. It was kind of under the understanding that it would be a land trust and not a state entity. Mhm. Um that would be the the
CR. I thought the town of Townsen had a conservation land trust. They did and then North County and North County doesn't have any interest in it. I believe it was Jewel Melbourne that formed it, right? Veronica was part of
it and yeah, then they rolled it into North County and they reached out to North County and they they have too much. I'm working with them now to try to get them an easement. So go back, I guess, to the original discussion in
2021 and how it was um voted on and proposed. You know, it's a different commission now. I know in your meet your last committee meet CR committee meeting it was Veronica said it was all the same people and it really wasn't sides
myself. Um so I don't know if Kobe has input because I know you've worked on it and or thought about it and done a lot of research and joined the meeting last the CR committee meeting the last
time. Yeah, I was looking at pros and cons of both um being in having a conservation restriction with this the state versus just a deed and fee um to
the conservation commission. And I I don't think you know what to say a little bit, but um I think they do they try to fulfill a lot of the same objectives just how they go about doing it. Um and they're not wrong in saying that
you know the conservation commission is a small body of uh commissioners generally and there is turnover but that's not to say that the uh there isn't a lot of turnover in the state side are there and you know it's a
bigger agency that can offer I don't know what maybe some more expertise as far as wildlife u but they're not as present on the property nearly as much as the conservation commission can
be. So, in terms of enforcement, well, enforcement and just presence. Um, we can't do site visits nearly as much. They they can't be uh well, we have an agent that can be up there every two
weeks if we wanted to. that property is really it's mostly under the the national heritage jurisdiction. Um you can't breathe up on the property without getting permission for so
plantings on some of those those u sand banks that would be you have to plant you'd have to go through national heritage for that. Uh yes, in one way or another. I I think they want those kept the way I
understand is they want those sandbags kept at sandbanks because for for the breeding for for the habitat for the landing turtle. Well, I you know, honestly, I don't know. That's a question that I'm going to have. And if um Emily has been there a lot, she maybe
she knows where they've actually been nesting because when I got up, so we can't discuss I'm going to reel it in. We can't discuss where um but talk to Emily. Okay. Probably privately and there you can
Yeah. Okay. Um, it just seems impossible, frankly, for them to climb up the sandbank like this. Then they can be on the other side. I don't know if they tumble down, but
what it's okay, I'll talk to them. So, yes, no. So, keep the decision. what it was from 2021. I again I I
I say so it's on record. I'm adamantly opposed to um pushing more land into the state of Massachusetts in one form or another. Yeah, I don't think there's sorry I I don't think there's a wrong decision either
way. I just think it's the manner in which you want to go the direction. Not I I am not not opposed to the CR. That makes sense. I think that's a great way to do it because then it's deed
properly. And is it possible to separate those properties? I know it's a conglomeration. Three, it's three parcels. They were talking about that. The one in the rear is really where it's where the wells are and that's the largest one. 23 acre property. Um, and up front there's
one that's seven acres, four acres, and three acres, I think. Okay. Yeah, seven and four and three, I think, are part of the uh the athletic fields, I believe. I know the current lease is written to just be the playing surface in the
parking lot, but Taser wants everything from the edge of field to, you know, around the parking lot to Mason Road because we want to add a one-way entrance coming from Mason Road. Makes sense. Is that reasonable? Is that
a possibility? So have those under the conservation commission control the smaller properties in that larger one stay with the water district question the way they are right now they're all part of the water district
it's turn right I think I don't know so to reduce the risk of getting ourselves into trouble um I I don't know Pat do you have anything you want to add to our discussion. I know you're virtual right now and it's
tough to uh but Oh, no. I don't have anything to add at this time. Thank you, Pat. I cut you off. Well, no, you just Well, the question I have
is Ann seems to think that the the restriction can be worded in such a way so that some things will be allowed. Okay, go on. So, if that's true, then it may not be
as restrictive as one might think. And just wondering if if that is true then why and I'm not doubting you have a good reason. Why would it be so bad if the state owns
the restriction? May not be if they if if there's conditions in there that will accommodate everything or everyone every other entity that's involved in it. Um,
it sounds almost like that matter of principle because they own so much uh because that's a question. I think it's more partially I I've also seen how they restricted other properties in town to limit their usage. Okay. You know,
locked gates on hayfields and not communicating that, hey, there's a gate with a lock on it now. Um okay you know it's you just see what this the state of
the other properties in town which we have discuss we said we discussed last meeting I I don't you know there there's no like big maintenance thing but there is there a vote that needs to be taken on that no there isn't
so I I think we can move it along but the ask you a question in my opinion. I can add a lot little context to that too. So you can it's up to the property owner to really outline as much or as
little as what activities are allowed and that's why yeah and so the wests up there have a conservation restriction on north end no meadow meadow meadow and it's it's beautiful document it's like
20 pages long and they go into some real depth um and it's it's it's actually a pretty good read but um they they really outline the what's allowed there and whatnot. Um they go so as far far as to describe like educational programs that
are allowed. On the other hand, you can be really short and concise and that's where the some ambiguity comes in and it can be a one page document. So this is on west model. It's the west property. Oh, the west
propert because what I did is I thought, okay, well, I could see the farmland. So, I went around West Meadow and then I drove up along the the field there to see how close I could get to the to the
Squanica. You can get fairly close and everything. So, I thought you really can't do much educational work on this side of it. I don't know unless you got permission from who leases that does Dix Dicks
lease a bad father-in-law goes your father-in-law a lot of people think it's fix but it's not releases it releases it so I think we need to talk about educational stuff though because we have a budget for that and we'll add it maybe
the next meeting. Okay. So I think at this point we just see how the discussion goes tomorrow. Okay. And if I bring up that some people are afraid that if the state owns it, it would be much more
restrictive than It's up to you. I've stated publicly how I feel. Um, but I'm also open ears, you know, personally. But again, it's it's the committee's job to outline
the activities, right? But that's a reasonable question to ask though, I think. See what the proposed activities are. Okay. Got it. And also see if there's any other interested parties in holding that CR. Yeah. I don't like Pat. Hi,
Pat. Hi. Is there or something tomorrow. There is a conservation restriction committee meeting tomorrow at 7 or six. Seven. 7 for Spanook Meadows that Mike
is the representative for. Okay. And is that at the town hall? Yes. At seven in the chambers there. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Um I I just to not have other suitors or
holders as options. That's also that my other you know thing is really should see if there's other people right or other other entities. Right. Right. Right. And if there aren't there aren't Yeah.
Okay. I got to think there's consultants too that can provide assistance here. like with writing the the conservation restriction to be to have it be what the town wants it to actually be instead of
or because I know there's tons but okay that's my suggestion okay this finish up I did see four turtles tonight can I make a motion anyone make a motion Pat, do you have anything you would like to add?
No. No. Um, okay. Kevin's tired. Thank you for joining us. Uh, next meeting is May 14th to May 28th. Uh, Kevin, it's 7:51. I'll make a motion to adjourn the town of Towns and
Conservation Committee meeting at 7:51. Yes. No. Second. Mike. Yes. James Gates. Yes, Kevin Smith. Yes, you're going to leave me out. See, thank you. Have a good evening.