Starting with Mike. Mike Padres. >> James Gates present. >> Pat us in the >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. This meeting is being recorded. Is anyone else recording? Chairman's additions and deletions. Um, correspondence to add Um
142. >> Okay. >> First one is Adam test water testing. Second one is this for wild and scenic.
>> Yeah, it's a update to the wild. Okay. report and anything I have to report is covered in the agents report. Uh review and approve meeting minutes. just on the record. Um I think the 3.2
the land grant update needs to be um have more detail to it including the the estimates that we received and from who? >> Okay. [Music] I make a motion not to accept the
meeting. That's just because of the detail that it was needed in terms of values that it can't accept them as amended, but >> just so you know. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Punctuation is one thing. >> Yeah. >> But that's my that's my motion. >> Okay. >> Is there a second? >> A second. >> Roll call vote starting in Mike. >> Mike Pod says yes. James >> DTS 1.7 agent report
there were two minutes Well, okay. So on this one um um under the agent report I recuse myself from the discussion cuz I never I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I
never said so added to the next agenda. It might have been someone else. >> What day is this again? July 23rd the agent report. I brought it up and then I recused
myself and walked out. Yes. [Music] What is he saying that he Where did he say he refused? >> He refused this part down here. >> That
wheel road. Do you have the right ones? >> Where are those minutes from? >> August 13th. >> August 13th. These in July 23, right? Is there another?
>> Oh, thank you. Pat or Mike might be able to remember also, but you had discussed leaving the conversation, but you were there. Let's go back over.
[Music] So, this is this is the one where they're rebuilding the chicken barn and it's going to be one instead of two. >> No, just one. Just replace one. >> Was it two when they tore the Oh, it was always just one.
>> Yeah. Right on the same footprint. >> Yeah. Well, I went out with with Jim and I guess some three commissioners went out to the property together. Uh it was just Jim and me went out at
one point and uh and I measured it. >> It was you and Jim went out and Kevin and Jim went out. >> Okay. So three alto together but not at the same time. Right. Okay.
And I measured it within a couple of feet of 200. I mean it was close. And >> so the point what I had brought up and I have to look because I could be wrong is the I recuse myself from the discuss.
>> You did for sure. >> Yeah. >> I walked out. >> Yeah. That's where I was talking to Cole. Okay. >> Is this where he had the chicken coop before? >> Did he had the chicken coop there before? >> Yeah, it was a chicken barn.
>> Or chicken barn >> and >> tore it down. Put a new one in the same footprint, the same foundation. Didn't need that. Get rid of the foundation. >> Okay. >> I feel like I'm so proud of it. >> The issue was the distance.
>> Right. Right. But the issue I was I was just discussing with Kobe was my presence right after I brought it up. >> Right. >> Okay. >> So, does he need to add that to this to clarify? >> I need to go watch the video
the whole thing. Can't hear it. >> I'm looking at it right now. >> Wait. You want see it or do you want to look at it later? >> Look at it later. >> Just because you know I'd listen to it.
>> I don't think taking the time now. [Music] >> So to make a motion not to accept the minutes. All right. I'll make a motion not to accept the minutes of July 23. >> I'll second it. >> Mike said yes.
>> James Gates. Yes. >> Yes. 1.7 agent report. >> I start off with scale station meeting. I talked to Craig Burch the forester and he's working on developing a project.
Did he allude to the cost? >> It should be a sale. So there should be >> proceeds to pay. >> I mean, this was real quick math that he So he can't hold him to it at all, but
he thought in the neighborhood of $10,000 that it means there are expenses taken out of that. contract. >> Did he say when he'd get something for us? >> Not specifically.
>> Okay. See, a couple requests for COC's, old ones. Uh, and it'll come up. It's the main one is on on the agenda, but there is one other one for 73 every
road that was requesting it to be on the meeting the next meeting's agenda. I'll go over as well. The only IDF actually was a building permit that came through that need approval and that was one that you're
aware of one brown road that formerly came through permit you already aware and approved the submission for modification of the [Music] Really?
>> Yeah. >> Can't complain there. >> Huh? >> Can't complain there. >> No. >> All right. So, moving on to 2.16 Meadow Road Notice 10. Um, that is going to
Yeah. We're not continuing it because it's not open, but we're going to um change it to the October 22nd meeting. 2.171 Fishburg Road continuence of notice of
intent BP number uh 308-0722 TWWV 2025- Z005 hearing approximately 720 applicant um Jared Woodcraft. Um Chris McKenzie from Dillson Royer is
representing again replacement of septic system within 100 foot buffer and garage replacement. >> It's 2.2. Was it 2.1? >> Sorry. 2.2. >> Good evening everybody. >> I'm going to pull it up on the screen.
Hope we can put that on the screen. I do have a hard copy here, but it is, as you know, a really small lot. Hard to see much what's going on there. Um, I did uh make some revisions to the plan for our discussions. Um, I've added some
uh uh proposed signage. Glasses on so I can see my plan. Uh uh along the uh wetland itself, uh I didn't specify how many or anything like that. As you know, it's not very long of a section. maybe 100 ft long or so uh there. So, a few
signs along there. We uh uh also call for some plantings uh mostly in the 35 ft uh buffer zone um with a couple of four trees I believe I have. Yeah, four trees. Three of them basically right
along the 35 foot buffer and one uh halfway in between or so. Uh and then a few other plantings including some ferns, uh high bush blueberry, um and and a dogwoods. Uh two of those as well. Um four of these plantings are
shown on the budding property in the 35 ft buffer, but the remainder of the uh I think there's a total of 12 plantings, so eight of them are on on the wet craft property. Um the uh existing garage situation uh
talked it over with Jared and the feeling is that they're probably going to go with uh keeping the existing garage and updating repairing it uh as needed. Uh as you know we had discussed the possibility of tearing it down and building a new one. Uh that would have meant zoning a little more uh better.
But uh I think costwise or whatever for whatever reasons they decide to to go with the existing uh and repair and replace as needed. >> That covers most of the stuff we discussed obviously. Um and I think we already
discussed this. The erosion control is going around the whole area. uh the uh existing system uh portion is inside that area and therefore covered with the erosion controls we have around the rest of the site. >> Oh, last thing too is we've made efforts
again to uh speak with the neighbor and we've not gotten any responses. So >> all I have for text message confirmation that it's okay to receive remediation, >> right? That's all I've been able to get. Um I haven't been able to get enough
sign. He's got a print out of a text. So >> yeah, >> to me that's not Y. >> I think that about covers everything we've discussed. >> Can you think of anything else? No, I
think this you covered what we discussed. >> So, one of the things that we can put in for a special condition is um plant survivor or survival. Um >> larger re replications are 75 to 80%
smaller one like this um higher Should that go in now or no? >> Uh that we we would write that in as a special condition or um Colby would when he writes up the permit.
>> Okay. >> So normally in a replication is what percent? >> If it's a larger one 75 to 80% >> I think so. >> But there's only 12 here. And they're all smaller. There really no reason they shouldn't survive.
>> Right. Right. I I thought the the smart thing to do was to try to try to keep small. Obviously, the red angles might be the largest one, but yeah, three or four. Those are take off. >> Right. Right. And I I tried to spread them out um equally across the the the
35T buffer there. And I kept them all all the red maples were on the Wcraft property. I didn't put them on, but Should we hear exactly the wordage from the text >> if you'd like to again? >> Satisfies you. Sure. There you go.
>> Would you mind reading it to us? >> Uh, okay. Hi, Larry. We truly appreciate you letting us use your land all these years. We're now working on plans for a subject design installation. And since our backyard abots your property both
within the wetland buffer, the conservation commission is reviewing proposals for us to remediate the bare soil in the 35 ft buffer zone. We expect this to uh will mean adding loom and seed, though they may also require some
trees or shrubs. We gladly uh cover all remediation costs and we uh just need your blessing to proceed as well as permission for our engineer Dillson Roy to take measurements and prepare plans for the CC. On another note, would you have any
interest in selling this strip of land? >> Okay, let's let's see what he says. Uh, appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Okay. The plans sound good. I have no
issues with the subject design or implementing that. As far as selling property, I still haven't made a decision on that to be honest. I'm leaning on the not for sale side, but I will let you know when I have made the final decision.
And thank you. Okay. Bo, no problem. >> I think we got it. Unless >> you want to keep going. >> Good morning. Any chance I can get your signature and butter's permission? So >> that's where it ended. Yeah, that's where it ended. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Yes. >> Thoughts? That's all your butter was going to say. So, at least he's not against it, >> right? >> Do you have anything to say, George? Anything to add?
>> I'm just patiently waiting. >> Uh, I do have something to say when it comes to Mr. Hartner. Anything you tried to have him do, I'm taking care of it. We We had a deal a long time ago. We shook hands, used the land. And I've been using the land for
over 40 years, longer than that. But he bought it like 25, I don't know how long ago, but a long time ago. We had a very good relationship. He said, "Let me use my land. No problem. I can take care of it." And I I will upstand that. There was some widowmakers taken down. I have
grandkids. He knows all about it. So I will I don't want him to incur anything. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm an upstanding citizen. I care about my neighbors. So wherever you may go with him, I hope that you include me because I'm taking
care of it. So I always do the right thing and I appreciate what you guys do taking time out of your nights to do this all the time. So always looking for volunteers and get fed, too. >> You just a lot.
So, uh, you've firmly decided that you're going to use the footprint on the garage or you're going to modify the garage. You're not going >> exactly what >> I mean. Once you, if I remember correctly, once this system is in, then that preludes any major work. So, you
>> make it very difficult. >> Very difficult, >> right? It makes it hard for them to get back to this area. I mean, I don't know about the garage because you can actually set from the front, but I but the the concern is this back area getting equipment back here to workight. >> It's really tight.
>> So, it's best just to keep the footprint separate. >> Okay. >> Where it's been improved for prior years. >> Ky, do you have any thoughts you want to add? >> I really don't. And I apologize. I'm having trouble getting the documents up there on Zoom, so won't let me sign in.
Chris. >> Oh, yeah. You're not even on. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Remember, we used to do this sort of thing long time before Zoom came around. >> Oh, I like doing it like this over Zoom. >> No school, nothing. Yeah, >> it's much easier.
>> Yes, sir. Um so I make a motion to issue a um order condition a standard order conditions with a special condition that of 100% survivorship of the plants um after a
2-year period. >> I'll second that one. >> Mike said yes. >> James Gates yes. >> Pat yes. Um, I make a motion to close the hearing for 71 Pittsburgh Road. Um, P number 308-0722,
TWWB 2025-005. >> Second. >> Second. >> Roll call vote starting says yes. >> James Casey, yes. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. The rest of the deal. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Water. What do you guys do? >> For two years. >> So after the two-year period, you can file for a completed order of conditions that closes out the permit.
>> Okay. How long was it? >> I missed that. Sorry. So after two after you plant them, Ky or someone from the commission will come out, inspect them, count them, and then after two years, you can file a completed order of conditions >> to close out,
right? And they're growing, right? >> As long as they're not brown, >> I can plant them very well. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Take it easy. >> Thank you, sir. >> Take it easy.
I go around the table. [Music] >> Tell Brenda I said hi. >> Tell Brenda I said hi. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. >> Have a good night. >> You too. Thank you. 2.38 lowest lane certificate of
compliance D number 308-0524 applicants Caitlyn and Christopher way. How do you pronounce that? >> It could be law, but I don't know. Yeah, >> okay. Have applied for COC. Um, this was
you kind of pulled the thread on this one and found a whole bunch and >> yeah, kind of down a rabbit hole here. >> I know you and I emailed a couple things back and forth, but >> yeah. Uh, so the so the conundrum here,
I guess, is that this COC is really old and it's for a the original property that got subdivided. This is the Copper Smith housing development area.
They never um made a request to um get the COC completed upon it. >> This is where Kevin and Jim come in handy because they they have history on >> Oh, sure they do. They would. Um
so, yeah. So there were several uh there was a couple extensions put on on this COC uh excuse me this >> OC in particular uh 308524 which it it did finally expire in 2019
but it was originally in 2006 when they submitted the IOI and um the the OC was granted. uh now now that people are you know trying some of them are trying to sell houses and they're trying to close out
this these documents and paperwork to move forward. Um I'm finding that there's other um COC OC's there that should be that are
expired as well. There's four other ones >> tied to eight lowest lane, >> tied to 91 Highland. >> Okay. >> Which which became >> not only eight lowest lane, but all the
all the properties that are on Coppermith and Petty Lane and the other ones that are are on low ants. It's now uh if you include the original house there on 91 Highlands, 41 properties.
Uh I was hoping to have a little bit of u closure on it or guidance from our from our administrator um to uh say if it's okay if we can
prorate you know all the fees uh and apply them to to apply them to individual properties so that at least individual property owners can move forward with the sales of their properties. You know what's crazy? We did two RDAs in there for two septic
replacements and we never brought this up. >> So none of the other properties have tried to clear their titles. >> There one one property that has a partial um so when you do it this way
when it um uh when you do it for subdivided houses that are tied to one OC, it's a partial COC. That doesn't mean that it's um you know it's closed out for that property in particular when they receive a
partial certificate of uh eight no excuse me one penny lane applied uh for it in for C a partial COC from 524. So they can go on they're clear they can move on with the sale of
their property. Um, and the uh I did the math on it and it's not a huge amount per property. It's just like 40 properties to have to pay $15 on
this one COC. If we wanted to though, you could request the other COC's be closed out as well. And >> so the other COC's
>> or OC's >> all tied to 9 >> are different are different numbered though >> which got so >> separate different numbers right >> so that's a state question then wouldn't it be
>> yeah and I did ask her and that's where yes that's where I got the uh that information that um you can do a partial COC on each property I only found out that there were four uh
expired overseas after that conversation and I don't know if we we have to track them all down. I was hoping that you might have the answer. I was hoping that the administrator might have the answer. I gotta find out
>> the what answer? >> Well, if you need to track down all these other ones, too. >> I don't know. I don't know if like if you do if you file a NOI if it superseds a a preceding
one. >> Does that mean on a on an individual property? I don't we've not had that question before. >> That's a good question. Yeah. I don't know how big of a legal issue it would be if someone if they sold their property and they
>> depends on how good the lawyer is. >> Yeah, they they haven't asked about any any other one just this one [Music] >> question is that holding up them from selling right now? >> So they want to they they do want to
close it out before the house. That's my word to use. They want to complete the CC on it before they new owners and the transaction takes place and they close on the house and that's coming up soon. U and I I'm confident that we can do
that with this this OC the four we can do a partial COC on that. That's not a big deal. >> What is a partial COC? >> So it's it's you can do it or it's real real quick. So that property that was developed was
tied all that those houses were tied to 91 Highland Street. So because there's 40 you can you know you have 40 different properties tied to that >> okay >> permit number after that um well
you know as people sell their house or people request the COC's um that's um that's where the partials come in. So, if it's all tied to that original house,
could you just do it all at once? >> Well, no, cuz you have $100 a year for um >> Right. But you're talking about prorating it somehow,
>> right? So, it let me go back to just being uh the responsibility of 91 Highland because it stays COC's stay with the property, right? So that property 99 island is part of it now. They're part of that old
>> property which is now >> 40 different properties. >> Yeah, because it's 40 B housing or whatever. >> Yeah. >> Was that the responsibility of the B uh builder that should have >> Well, this is where Kevin comes in handy with history because I'm pretty sure the
first builder went belly up. >> Yeah. Transformations, Inc. was their name, I believe. I don't know if that's the original name of them. >> No, we bought the second the lowest lean part. >> Oh, that's a separate transaction.
>> I believe it was. Now, this this may be a totally irrelevant piece of information or maybe somehow it might be relevant, but uh I talked with um a friend of mine who was the chair of conservation commission in
not a a neighboring town, but a town in the general vicinity of Massachusetts. and he uh because a few meetings ago you had a list of people who were delinquent in in getting their COC's
>> and he and I said do you track them down and how much do you charge them? Uh they don't track them down. They said >> sooner or later when they try to sell the house they're going to come to us and you know we're going to figure it out. >> So Jessica had a pretty good she did
pretty well tracking people down. >> Yeah. for a little while and then >> you know other stuff came up. >> Yeah. >> So they don't even try. >> They don't even try and they don't charge. There's no charge. >> So you know it seems like if we wanted
to sort of vacate these things if we were to to um oh >> get rid of the charge, it would make it easier to for them to do it. >> How much time do you have in this so far? >> Well, it's several um several hours. I
would say I've spent close to a day on it because the way I have to figure it out is I have to go to the registry of deeds and other a couple >> read each document >> go through each document >> search and then some link some of the
properties can have years of different documents >> and it's spiderweb there's stuff I I've searched stuff before where you know apartments and it's like oh you got to pull up this document And oh, but it refers to this one. Then it refers to another one. >> Yeah. >> And then it goes back to something else
that doesn't even make sense, >> but it does make sense. >> So you have to be thorough >> on the under what >> on all that what you can do. Can you just drop it or do you have to go and
the money? >> You have to file. So when when we did our schedule um of our permit fee schedule, we we all voted for it and then it goes to the select board and they vote for it.
Now it's $100 a year from when the permit expired, maximum of $1,500. >> Oh, we have a maximum for anything is $1,500. >> I did not know that. So we we we looked at Lunenburgg, we
looked at Groten, I think Peril, and we did all that and um and we refined it a couple times with um Jessica and Autumn. Um and yeah, it's try to make it as easy as possible. Some of these sounds it gets
complicated. >> I guess you have to check with the other ones with zero. Yeah. Now, is it possible to just do that one because it's coming up and then
>> as as people want to sell their properties, then they come >> I don't see why we can't. >> I think I think you should really consider it because of the closing date coming off of October 20th. We don't really want to hold them up.
>> Well, but that's why the D has the form for partial. >> Yeah. >> Is does that answer your question? It's yeah it's actually the it's the same form but under section B you can see it has be complete certification or
partial certification just a box to check but yeah I I should get back my suggestion >> is to do this one and if they sell their house, they come to us and so unless because it's expired, that's
where the complication. If it hadn't expired, they paid the 1,500 bucks and they're off and running, right? >> Yeah. >> When you have 40 properties involved, it's not as bad. >> Yeah. Well, if they come one at a time when
they try to sell them and the future generations of um commissioners will be the benefit and I guess appending more information that I find um like as far as if it's
legitimate to rate the the the fees the way we are doing or the way that we're thinking about doing it. Well, so it's a single it's a single D permit number. >> Yes. >> I think that dividing it by the number
of houses is the appropriate way to do it. But now as you they keep going up or years go longer, it's going to go up. Not a lot, but yes. >> How do they feel about having to pay for that though? not knowing when they
bought the house that they were going to >> There's been people that have they write the check, you know, it's just part of owning a house. We've had people do it. We've had I think Kevin's done it. >> What if you
>> you know a couple years ago was Drew Millin. He had an old permit. >> Oh yeah. >> And they sold their house and it was >> I think 20 years old. They didn't even know about it. >> Yeah. Oh, on that and and after this I'll find out
more information on the other ones if they need to be tracked down or if they avoided somehow. >> What if you what if you put the burden onto the homeowner and you say this is a situation that applies to 40 of you. I don't know how many houses. Okay.
You really should check your go to the registry of deeds. find out if you have an outstanding one and they then the burden's on them. >> Well, terrible idea either especially because your neighbors. >> What? >> If you do it with in the neighborhood like that.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, when I get a specific answers, I can do a mass mailing if if you want me to um to try to collect these things because in total you see the numbers are not a
lot and then it's the security for them once they get this document. >> So, what is their closing date? >> October 20th of this month. So, it's 12 days away. What's being done now to prevent all
this? Is there I mean, are we going after the contractors to do all this before? >> It's a great question. >> So, it stops. >> So, it always is the property owner's
responsibility. >> Yeah. But they may not know that. I think the realtor should bring that up or something. So, usually when they do a title search, it come pops up or deed search, it pops up. Now, that it takes a good lawyer to do that. Sometimes
people, they don't even find it. Um, and then you get one or two homeowners down the line and they get to find it and then they get to pay it to clear the title. Um, one of the things that we as a commission
can uh a power, well, one of our abilities is to request or require a a bond when contractors build developments like this or contractors build houses that we know they have a history. There are a handful of guys in town that have
history. It's only a couple, but >> yeah, >> you know, names I'm not going to say. Now I'm nervous cuz I'm going to sell my house and I'm like, I guess I should look in to make sure everything's okay. >> Um, >> yeah, you're right. Contractor
contractors and builders, they should be especially if they're the ones filing, you know, and Col's also right though. It ends up being the property owner's problem. There builder in town that threw his own daughter under the bus. >> Yeah. and and property lawyers can do it
themselves if they're savvy enough, but that's why they have, you know, hire the lawyer and do I don't know if it comes up in a title search, but if they're savvy enough, they can look at online resources like they can go to D's website that
[Music] >> the portal, >> whatever it is, but all the all the Dc are there. Um and then you can check them against the registry of bees and see if they've um submitted to them to
the registry of these. >> I'm not that savvy to do all this. >> Yeah. >> And it costs so much to have a lawyer that >> there's no way I can do that either. >> Well, that's it. If it's a blanket mailing and it applies to some some of
homeowners but not others and they get excited and we got to hire a lawyer to make sure then that's putting a financial burden on them for no reason at all. >> Right. That's why when people usually sell their houses that comes up
>> is a lawyer's involved anyways. >> So what do we do here? Well, not always, I don't think, because if you don't if you go through a realtor, yes. But if you go through any of these others that are out there, private >> that will buy your home, let's say,
>> I don't think that they >> uh they still have to do some sort of title search. There's usually a lawyer puts their hands on it somewhere. Not You're right. Realtors can be more involved, but >> you know, people that buy houses, they do their due diligence.
But some of them also don't. >> So I I don't know the answer to it's good concern. >> So >> we need waiting for a response from the um town council.
He's waiting for a response from Nelson who's trying to pinch a penny and give him an answer that I don't know was the right thing to do, but >> yeah, >> I said it, not you. >> Sometimes.
>> So, what are you comfortable with us doing then? because that's how we I've always asked the agent, you know, hey, what do you what do we do in this case? Because we don't want to get ourselves in trouble. >> Well, I I you know, the fee the
expiration fee is for whom who came up with that? >> That that's us >> on the schedule. >> Yeah, >> that's that's a that's uh goes to the town. It does it's not something that's required by the DP.
I think for this um if you think you can 15 safely. >> Yeah, it's not even I just did the math. This is a little over $12 for each property. >> But to for these individuals to close out so they can sell their house. I I'm
perfectly fine voting on this and but I I'm only one vote >> voting on granting the COC the partial COC. >> Yeah. >> Simply because there's a line on the D form in terms of the fees. The fees are the fees. We have to cover your cost.
$12 did not cover costs. But >> well, how how does 12 time 40 add up to,500? Well, because it was expired in >> 2019. >> Yeah. So, you only have >> 500 bucks to buy, but
>> So, it's when you get to the 15year mark, >> you know, you get it doesn't matter at that point. It's going to be the same, >> right? >> I know it's a silly sounds like a silly amount to to to quibble over, but you know, it adds up to $500 to that should
have been done, >> right? So, So that's my suggestion is to >> you drive by the property to make sure there's grass or I can't. Yeah. From over
2006. I will I will but I'm going to be laughing about it when I do it. >> Well, Lois Lane though was built more recently. >> This is true. This is true. I'll make a motion then. >> You make a motion.
>> I don't know the verbiage. >> Yeah, I make a motion to issue a partial um certificate of compliance for 8 L D number 308-0524 um with the fee of how much?
>> It's between 12 and $13. I can do the >> $12 and change. >> $12. Thank you. >> I'll second that. >> Yes. >> James Gates. Yes. >> General. Yes. >> So, so if you send this letter out,
okay, and they they have to go find whether they have this, but wouldn't we have somewhere in our records a list of >> Yes, we do. >> Yeah. A list of what again? a list of those people that have the outstanding
>> Oh, no. See, that's the thing. >> So, you have this one permit tied to 91 Highland Street, but it doesn't have all the new property owners listed. >> But as they sold parcels off, now you have part you have the parcel. So, he's got to go to the
>> each individual theor. So there was someone that owned the house on Highland Street. They had all this land. They parcled it out and sold it. >> Is the original owner? >> I think someone bought it and developed it. But again, that's where our town
historians come in. >> But someone owns that house. >> Yeah. >> So someone owns that OC. >> Yeah. You're not wrong there either. >> So what what's that? >> You're not wrong there either. So you go to that person who owns it and
say, "We can clear all of these if for this amount of money >> and we'll just it'll wipe it." But if you could get the $12 and change from these 40 people, then >> yeah, I I don't think so because it's
the it's the actual, you know, property, the land that it's tied to, not the where, not the house or the original the portion of that property, which it was. It's the actual place that you're standing at, whoever owns that piece of
property at that time. So yeah, it was one big parcel and then as this parcel was subdivided, >> yeah, >> that took on a chunk of the permit. >> Yeah. >> So you figure there's 40ish people who have these outstanding OC's. How many
are there total parcels of land houses? >> Yeah, there's 41 including >> So every one of them has this. >> Mhm. >> Oh, Elissa Drive has it too. Not one penny lane though
had the foresight to do it some time ago. >> They probably sold their house. Noticed it. >> It's frustrating for people, but it's just part of owning a house, too.
So I think that any properties that these people are going to subdivide and build should be built for this source before, you know, goes out to anybody because
this is going to keep going. >> Someone reputable would do that. >> Yeah. But the problem is we know there's some out there that don't. >> Yep. that are not good. >> Things get messy when they businesses go out of business. They lose, you know,
chapter whatever it is. Bankruptcy. >> Well, there's just some that try to get away with whatever they can get away with. too. >> So, it's probably something that I'm missing here, but I mean, this is a fantasy scenario perhaps, but
you contact all of the people, including the person who owns the house on Highland Street, and you say, "We've got this awkward situation here. We can clear it up if because every one of them, this a piece of information I didn't know that every single one of
them has this outstanding OC. If if you are all willing, assuming that everyone in the neighborhood loves everyone else in the neighborhood, that uh if you pay your $12.50, okay, to this, then we can clear all of
these at once. And then then but explain to them that this is going to be a problem if and when you decide to sell your house or you will it to your kids and they decide to sell it. You know, it's a little organizational thing, but
that would work. >> Yeah, it won't cost that much money. It's just one more thing to do. >> So, >> but it's the $12.50, it it gets rid of a potential little pain in the neck in the
future. >> $12.50. 50 certificate. >> It's not worth trying to >> even do it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's what that's what we're supposed to do.
>> It's a frustrating thing. >> Yeah. >> All right. Are we good to move on? >> Yeah. Um 3.1 discussion with Sandra Lord regarding volunteer response form. If you don't mind come and join us.
I'll be honest, we're missing two commissioners tonight. So probably should wait to have them present with us, but you can tell us about yourself and why you're interested in joining the mission. And >> Okay. I'm Sandra Lord and I live in
Chzon since 1989. Um, I used to live in a I lived in Del Mass, um, town like this. Um, my husband and I thought over the years about moving closer to, you know, different jobs that he's had. Um,
he worked in cities and I want to move to a city and he agreed that, you know, it would be nice to raise our kids in a small town and stay in towns. And my h my husband's been here since uh he's been like 5 years old. So he's been here a lot longer, you know, than I have. But
um so it's a beautiful place to live. Um I just love it. I love the the clean air. I love everything about it that uh I love trees. I love plants. I love birds. Um I think it's a beautiful place to live. I I want to serve my town, the town of towns, in some capacity. I think
that's really important um to me. And >> no, take your time. >> Um, >> the birds on the plants part were really nice. >> Oh, thank you. >> That's what we care about. >> Yeah, thank you. My husband worked on the uh he was um on the board of health
in the 90s and he always was talking about buffer zones and aquafers and stuff and you know I kind of started hearing about things then and he worked he uh for a company that was subcontracted to the EPA. I don't know if that's the
right word or not but you know he used to go out and do look at suicides and all this stuff and I I thought that was kind of fascinating and stuff and I don't know I just think it's a I I went to different meetings and stuff over the past year and a half and
I don't know think this is this is a great place for me to land if if I'm lucky enough to to be voted in and uh sworn in or whatever. Um you guys seem like a really nice group of people and I I think I went to one conservation
meeting um sometime in the winter and I really you know enjoyed it. Um, what else I could say? I guess that's about it. >> All right.
>> Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Questions from other commissioners comments. >> Well, I would say I would say welcome. >> Well, we can't vote. Yeah. Right. Sure. Yeah.
Um, yeah, I I'm a newbie here. I've been what, less than a year, I think, right? Somewhere in there, >> I think. So, >> and uh, you know, it's a fairly steep learning curve, but it's relatively short. You know, you get the basics in a
relatively short time. There's still a lot more to learn. I'm still learning, but >> So, one of the things Mike explained to her about the classes that are paid for um >> Oh, that's right. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. They um I've been to um it's
a the mass association of conservation commissions. >> Oh, okay. >> And it's a nonprofit, but their their um purpose is to support uh conservation commissions all across the state. And they have workshops and online stuff. I
went to an all day conference, so to speak, out at Holy Cross. and um they had workshops specifically for new people to sort of get them up and running very quickly and that was that was really helpful. I haven't honestly
taken advantage of the many opportunities. >> They do a lot of them online too. >> A lot. >> There's also a big conference at Devon's um in the fall >> um with a bunch of different classes, inerson classes. >> I'm definitely willing to learn and put
the time in. >> Yeah. Um uh I met with u the pepper had their fall festival and I went there and the u conservation commission was someone that was on it and it was some other kind of some other kind of entity that was there. He was also representing
I'm trying to remember what it was. >> Big national river wershed. >> Yes. Something like that. Something like that. >> So I was going to ask Colby to speak about the stuff he's been to with them. >> Sure. >> Yeah. They're so they're they're interesting organization that they have
um some uh federal funding and they work in conjunction with the the National Park Service um as well as um state agencies too to protect the the rivers
here specifically Nashville and Swanica. Uh the thing that they do is they do uh some covert assessment training, water quality testing. >> They do invasive trainings.
>> Yeah, invasive training. Um general education on environmental issues. Wow. What else? What else can I say? >> There's a lot. Um, so we meet the second and fourth Wednesday of the month. >> Okay.
>> Meetings can range from an hour to two or three hours. Um, they're always at 7 o'clock. Um, >> I haven't been to a three-hour one yet, >> not going to lie. Since Colby started, we've been pretty good. >> Yeah.
>> Um, >> yeah, >> Kobe the sidewalks. I fascinating every Every situation is different. Yeah. >> You know, and so you have to apply some basic um rules, knowledge to each
situation, but they're all different. And they >> and you have to listen to the big picture, too. >> What's that? >> You have to listen to the big picture as well. A lot of these, >> right? There's a happy medium and different things. So, I I get it. >> There's there's a a common misnomer out there. And I think I sort of had this
piece of misinformation that somehow um the commissioners on the conservation commissions are are almost out to get you, you know, to to stop to say you can't build near water. You can't do this near water. And the fact of the
matter is our goal is to say yes. To figure out a way to say yes, >> right? >> And um >> in a sustainable >> What's that? >> In a sustainable, thoughtful That's right. you know, way. So >> something that'll work for everyone.
Yeah, >> because we can't stop development. Um, >> right. >> But we can help guide people into the right direction and make sure that the law is followed >> and do it in a respons so that it is done in a responsible way.
>> But Pat Pat's gone trumpet through the woods. >> Mhm. I I love the site visits. I've learned a lot from each time I've gone out and stuff about the trees or about the little insects or whatever. There's
always something to learn about. >> Well, I would I would be honored to to be a part of this conservation commission and um >> and it's not all glorious either. watched if you've watched it on TV, you
get to see the the non- glorious stuff, too. And there are been times that people raise their voices in the meetings. You have to have thick skin and commissioners get grumpy with each other, but at the end of the night, it's >> no person's missing that way. Could be.
>> I've never been grumpy. >> Pat snacks to diffuse situations. >> Yeah. Right. Right. >> Well, that's very sweet of you. Um, >> I was doing all the candy and I'm like, I need to switch a little, >> you know, but I I
there's the harder side to the whole thing and um or we get through it. We haven't thrown anyone out yet. I know it has happened in the past. Um, but >> and
James and Colby make it easy for us. The rest of us does. >> Well, Kobe does a lot of Kobe does a lot of the grunt work, but you >> It's my job. >> You run a good meeting. >> You do. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. That's the only thing I've proven to myself is that
I can run a meeting. Oh, >> there's so much I've missed since I've been gone that I I'm so lost and everything trying to catch up. >> You're not alone. >> And I, you know, the site meetings I've missed and
[Music] >> but anyways, thank you for you don't mind if we could have you if it's possible have you come back at the next meeting which is the 22nd. >> Sure. And hopefully Kevin and Jimmy will be here and um you know they can meet you and
>> actually I actually know Kevin. >> I know you I know your sister. >> Oh, okay. Same. Yeah. >> I always get confused who's who. >> It happens all the time. But I actually met James um when he was sworn in. I was
downstairs and I have I had an opportunity to speak with him. So >> he's a character. When was that? Sworn in for which? >> For here. >> For here. >> Yeah. >> For Jimmy. Jimmy was sworn in for something. I don't know what.
>> He was um I don't know. He's on a bunch of >> boards or whatever. >> So, he was being sworn in for something. I I happened to meet him. I was doing something down there and I met him and had had an opportunity to speak with him.
>> Ed. Ed. Oh, yeah. I thought he was a nice guy. >> Okay. So, >> he is he and I think we all have the same, >> you know, goals,
>> right? >> So, you know, did you say you know Sandra's sister? >> Yeah. >> Cindy King. >> Cindy. >> No, not not there's two of them that live on the same street. They live, believe it or not, they do. Both Sydney kings. >> One's on top of the hill, one's on the bottom of the hill.
So Lord is that um somehow I've heard it is >> um my father used to be reserve police officer. >> Okay. [Music] >> Um and my husband like I said he served
on the what help in the 90s. >> Well maybe that's it because we were we were here in the 90s. But at any rate, yeah, he fits right in with the rest of them. >> Yeah. [Music]
>> My husband u was in meetings that like someone was tossed out. Used to get pretty heated. It was the non-smoke the smoking issue at the time. >> Oh. >> And someone was tossed out by squirted out by the police, shall we say. That
was a very interesting one. Didn't happen often stuff, but that was one of them that was particularly heated, shall we say. Anyways, thank you very much for the next meeting. I look forward to seeing you at the next meeting.
>> 4.1, is there any chance you could read these? >> I'm sorry. >> Could you read these, please? >> I could. >> Or Mike could or Pat could. >> Yeah. Sitting here. >> All right. So this correspondence came
from Ukirma [Music] who works for the NW uh he does the water quality >> monitoring um there and I just wanted to let you know that next Wednesday
I don't have the date the 15th is that right at 9:00 a.m. >> Sounds close enough. Yeah, they're gonna be over there at the Adams Dam uh doing groundwater sampling for E.coli. That'll be till about noon and I'm going
to attend that. Uh uh the next one is um so I asked for some guidance on the the wild and scenic survey estimates and uh how to accept >> how to proceed. >> How to proceed because you know one of
the option the option that you really want to go for that included the stamped plan. Is that >> plan of land? >> Plan of land. Thank you. Yeah. >> Um >> was just a it was more than the grant. So, we only accepted one of them.
>> We only accepted the first the higher amount because we knew we only had $16,000. >> Is that what you did? >> Yeah. >> I didn't understand that statement. >> Okay. >> That was immediate you went home. >> Yeah.
Okay. Um and then pending further funding, >> then we would vote for the second estimate. >> Okay. I listened to that too and I didn't quite understand. I >> audio kind of sucks and I also suck at
talking. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Whatever. >> No, you don't. >> You do have to, you know, use up that money. >> I know. So, pending the additional funding that you said we could reapply for
>> Yeah. >> that would use up the rest because then you could apply for the exact amount. >> Did Did you work the numbers out? So that you could accept the the second survey estimate at a lower amount without the plan. >> No, we want the plan to land.
>> Yeah, I understand you want that. You might have to take on the responsibility. It's not a guarantee >> um that you'll get it which is let me read her correspondence which explains >> okay >> that it's not a guarantee the extra money that is out there. All right. Uh,
and this came from uh, Lucy Wallace who works for the NW and she has the grant I don't know. Um, I'm actually well, she does all the grant coordination. I'm not sure her official title. Um, my suggestion would be that you provide the
compound. You are awarded only $16,000. And if they elect to use a second option, which includes a stamped plan, you could seek additional funding from the council if the town doesn't have it. >> Yeah, the town doesn't have it.
>> You're having to reuse folders. >> And my own pens. Anyway, I'm kidding. >> No, you're not. Given given the properties are surrounded by development and have road frontage, a stamp plan would provide
additional protection against future encroachment. But you cannot guarantee that the council will provide the additional funds until you make a formal request based on decision. Okay. We just said you can't count on the
funds until you make the request or >> the additional funds. So, he's going to just make the request, >> right? The wording is a little >> Yeah. >> cookies. >> Cookies. >> Cookies.
>> Some cookies. So you have a motion that you already approved to accept one >> the more expensive one with the plan of land >> and then the other one we will vote on once we have the additional funding.
>> So let's move forward that one. >> So in the meantime before the next meeting apply for the additional funding for the >> Yeah. Call me if I need to. >> We've already accepted that grant anyways.
>> Yeah, we have we've accepted the money. It's in our contract to purchase. Yes. [Music] Okay. Are you good to move on?
>> I'm very good to move on. >> For the next meeting thing, can I interject something? >> Uh for the next meeting. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> When we get to it. Are we there? >> Yeah. >> So, I'm getting questions about hunting
on towns and properties. We have a >> town properties >> observation land. So, yes, properties, >> but specifically towns and conservation. >> Okay. Keep going. We have an answer.
>> Yes. And I u the one I've been putting out and I put it in the shared folder the the formal response that we have and it I was hoping to read it. I don't know how many people would will read it.
We'll we'll um sign up to we'll listen to this but I'll put this on our website as well. I just want to read it and see if it sounds accurate to you. This was produced by Matt Moses. Okay. Uh so guidance on the document that we have is
just a word document that was written a few years ago. Uh the guidance on hunting in town. It's the town has no additional regulations beyond the standard state regulations. We ask that you hunt and fish in season with a license and in accordance with
applicable laws in designated areas according to master law chapter 131 and 321 CMR. No constructive feature intended to facilitate such activity is allowed. While towns and does not allow
hunting on towns and excuse me while towns and does allow hunting on towns and conservation owned land, these properties do not have proper signage marking their boundaries. We are working to put up the necessary
signage, but until that point when user safety is ensured, we ask that you please hunt in the designated state wildlife man and then resources. >> Oh, the second part. So, that's part of
the reason we started to do the surveying on the lands. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So that people could know where they are if they're hunting. >> Yeah. They're behind my house because the state bought it, but I don't know how many really know that. >> And that's a whole bowl of wax that as
far as hunting laws go that we don't even want to really get into as far as people being allowed to private property in pursuit of deer. >> I'm not getting involved with that. >> So, and that's not anything we want to even broach. The state has done it.
Let's let them do that themselves. Does that make sense? >> Are you okay with that response though? >> I'm okay with it. >> I think you can. I know it's a little bit obscure. I think the answer in the end um
>> Well, it's a little evasive. >> Same time, if people ask if they can hunt our properties, they can. >> Yes. Do do you want to discuss that before the next meet or at the next meeting? I don't >> I don't think so.
>> Responsibility on the hunter though to know where they are. >> The hunting's already began for the turkeys. Turkeys. So I had two in my yard today. Did you? No. I ran to my house for safety.
That's cuz you were baiting them. >> I do have seed down. >> Be careful. The bear, >> right? >> I don't get any. >> There's a big one in West. Did you see that? >> I saw >> 400 pounder. >> Yeah.
>> My wife's close. I got my kids and I I might have said this story before, but my kids and I were in Howard Park hiking one day right behind the middle school and we come across a mother with two clubs and
they roughly mother was in a okay mood and they ran up the tree. Two of them were way up a white pine and the mother was 10 to 15 feet off the ground with my dog right under her. >> Wow,
>> that's scary. They're around. They're here. >> I mean, I've had them once in a great while. I've only probably since I've been here, I've seen them maybe three times in my yard, you know, and I've been here since 92, so they're not
around that much. >> Yeah. when that 400 pounder would made made the news on the on Boston network stations, they were like, "Oh my god, this be," you know, I was like, "Um, that's not the only bear out here. We got plenty of them."
>> Yeah. >> What do they figure 5,000 in Massachusetts now? >> Oh, I bet you that's low, >> right? They leave them alone in Florida. The problem is people leaving trash out
then get used to the trash then they like it. >> Well yeah I can't carcasses off the roads now too. >> Did you see the video carrying the deer? [Music] >> Car hit a deer and car the black bear grabbed the deer and just walked off of
it. >> Okay. So they eat. >> Oh yeah. around here >> towards Boston, I thought. >> Yeah. >> Really? >> Save them from tapping to take the carpets away.
>> They probably fed their young. >> Oh, next meeting. Uh 65 Adams Roads uh completed order of certificate of certificate of completion. >> Yeah. at the moment. Uh DP file number
308-0707 and then 16 Meadow Road. Um and also Sandra Lord BRF. Next meeting is October 22nd, 2025 at 7 p.m. Any comments, questions, concerns?
Um, someone want to make a motion to adjourn at 8:25. >> I'll second that. >> I said someone. So, I'll make a motion to adjourn at 8:25. >> Okay. I'll second that. Pat second it. Mike, yes. James Gates, yes. Pat.
>> Thank you.