I am going to call the meeting to order for the um [clears throat] CR committee at 7:04 p.m. Could I have a roll call vote or just roll call um notice of
who's present? So Selena Thomas, >> Selena Thomas, remote here. >> Um, Emily, >> Emily Fine, remote, >> Mike Per present, >> and Veronica Cal present. And, um, the
only committee member missing is Todd Manson. Um, all right. Uh, I'd like to announce that the meeting is being recorded and it will be uploaded to YouTube. Are
there any other parties recording? All right. Hearing none, um, uh, additions or deletions to the agenda? I don't have any. Does anybody else from the committee? None. All right. No additions or
deletions. Um the minutes for uh Sabrina sent out the minutes for 12:04. I hope everybody's had a you know time to look at them. Are there any comments on the minutes? Uh or should we take a
motion first? >> I've read them. I'm all set. >> You're all set. Selena, any comments on the minutes? >> Nope, they all look good. >> Same with me. All right. Is there a motion to accept the minutes of December
4th? Uh, actually on the agenda it says 2026 and it should say 2025. Is there um a motion? >> I like a motion to accept the minutes of December 4, 2025.
And is there a second? >> Selena Thomas. Second. [clears throat] >> Um, roll call vote for approving the minutes starting with the remote folks. So, Selena, let's start with you. >> Selena Thomas, yes.
>> Emily Fine, yes. >> Mike Pot said, yes. >> And Veronica Kelly, yes. Okay. So, I'll I'll get those stamped in and put up on the website through town clerk's office. Moving
on to the meeting business. Um, Anna Wilkins isn't present yet and I know she was coming in person today. Uh, [clears throat] so Selena, this is your call. Should we
wait for her or should we get started? >> Um, so I think there's a few items that are specific to the town more so than uh to the CR holder. that we could start with. >> All right. I should just say that um
Anna Wilkins works for North County Land Trust and they have accepted um they have voted to accept the CR and to work with us on that. So,
um, so let's get started then, Selena, with whatever is town specific and I'll let you take it from here. >> Okay. So, um, Tesa met with NHSP,
um, Miss Deianne from NHSP, Dan Wells, who's also online remote, and, um, Ryan who is there in person. I can see um were there to support us. Um
and >> Dan Dan is LEC. >> Yes. >> And Ryan is >> Disora. >> Disorient. Okay. Thank you. So, Miss Tianne um brought up an item
[clears throat] that she wants some more information about the well as part of the permitting process for TASA to get the permit um from NHSP and Misa. Correct me if I'm wrong, Dan.
>> That's correct. Yeah, they they're looking ahead. We know that that may be a while if ever before that you know the well gets developed. But Natural Heritage wants to include that in as you
know permit everything everything current and future proposed in one swoop because um you know this we are going through MEPA in addition to needing a permit from natural heritage. So um this will avoid having to go back to everybody
revising the per their natural heritages permit um starting fresh with MEPA. So it it makes sense. I don't think they expect all the engineering details, but I think what we're our approach is to
get use um with Dillis and Royy's um plans to put a kind of conceptual limit of work that you kind of the worst case scenario that would be needed for clearing um or any kind of land alteration for
that project. So we have kind of a envelope that's permitted in advance. >> So this would be this isn't just town then this would uh also affect the CR holder. Correct.
>> Um yeah. So it could possibly affect the CR holder. Um, we definitely would need to have information um available for them. I guess
>> I I'm confused. Um why? [laughter] I guess my question is and so so what you're saying is that
DP wants the well engineered. >> No, the I'm saying we can we're permitting just kind of a footprint. not not they're not requiring all the engineering at this point that would be done when and if the town
wants to pursue that. We're just identifying on the CR kind of an easement. So that can be done. The language will be in the CR, you know, for when the time comes. It'll be
an allowed use within the CR. >> Yes. So, we need Dillis and Roy to craft, you know, a CR plan that identifies this easement and the easement will kind of coincide with
a a limit of work that Natural Heritage will approve. >> So, it's part of the um site plan that we need to do for the CR. Um I'm trying
to remember what you called it. Um >> it's a recordable plan. You know, meets and bounds conservation restriction plan. That's um so that's required for the CR portion. You know, the executive office
of environmental affairs has to approve that. That plan gets recorded. >> Um but natural heritage re, you know, reviews that and weighs in on it, too. But ultimately it's the EA approving that >> correct.
Um so all right so yes on the that area would definitely be I mean if they want to survey out that section so that it is you know identified more definitely as
well as the section for um the the uh fora for the soccer fields I think that's doable and then we had different allowed uses for the well site in the in
the CR and we used what was in the bylaw um for wells. Um I forgot the section. I'm going through this right now. >> You said uh worst case scenario. I'm just wondering how detailed the plan has
to be. Does it include like any road work, any construction site where they're going to put uh construction materials? I mean, how specific does it need to be? >> Yep, absolutely. I don't know, Ryan, if you want to weigh in, but you know, certainly some kind of access in for
equipment, staging area, and um maybe is there going to be a fence around it, you know, things like that? Yeah, I think the [clears throat] actual details of the well itself and the acket there's assumingly there's going to be a building there with um components in
there. We don't need the specifics of that, but a generic footprint of what that access road would look like, whether it's 20 ft wide or 24 foot wide with a I assume a turnout near that building, where the well is going to be located. Um I think that sort of information is is more critical because
we're permitting a a project relative to disturbance on the site. So it's [clears throat] and natural heritage asked that this future disturbance be included in that calculation. So that that's I think the type of information that we have to show. Wouldn't wouldn't the water department need need to be in
on this? And >> they're not quite yet >> quite quite possibly. Yeah. To provide some input potentially. Yeah. >> Um who is D talking with other than Tesa? Should they not be talking with
the town then? NHSP. >> Yeah. So, NHSP brought this up as part of our meeting specific to the field expansion. Um, and [clears throat] we were not aware that this was going to be
a requirement prior to this meeting. Um, so yes, I do believe this is something that the town needs to get involved in as well. Um, there was also the question of whether or not Tesa would be the
permit holder or if the town needed to be the permit holder. Um, >> holder for the expansion >> the permit. Well, we're talking about for the permit from natural heritage, the rare species habitat alteration
permit. And so it's since the town would be kind of doing the well project and are you know is the land being leased to Tesa? I forget what the arrangement is but technically the
town should at least be a co-ery if not just the sole permit. >> Are you saying a permit on the on the CR? Uh, no. On the natural the permit from natural heritage, the conservation
and management permit on the CR the grantee would be the town and I'm I'm sorry, the grtor would be the town or the water department and the grantee would be North Country
uh North County, I'm sorry. Um, and so So the you know well >> this brings up another question then um I am wondering if um Tesa needs to take
a step back and it's the town that needs to be applying for the permits. Is that what we're saying here as opposed to Tesa? Um, you know, this is something that I thought about when I went to that um,
uh, grant meeting at DP that Melissa Cry was working on, the the water grant thing. Um, and it was the first time that I thought, should it be the town that's
applying because we could get funds for the expansion of the soccer fields as opposed to the way we've done it is through a lease to Tesa and then Tesa gets the work permitted for their site
their site in that um in Squanakook Meadows. I [clears throat] this is bigger is what I'm hearing. >> So I think if um Tesa and the town are
co-p permit holders then TASA can continue with what we're doing to try and get this build done. Um, I think if the town becomes the main the the single holder,
then yeah, it would kind of put it in your pocket to decide if Tesa can go ahead or if the town would be working on the build. So, we had filled out whatever form for
Dillis and Roy to allow the work to go forward. The town has pretty much said, "Here you go, Tesa." >> But this is a different piece of the property. Um, I guess I was thinking
that the CR would just be put over the whole piece and we would either survey out and say it's not covered under the CR or we would put that in that this decision hasn't been made yet or we
would put the CR on the entire property with again that piece for TESA surveyed out with different uses just like the peace or the water department has different uses,
>> right? So I think we can continue with that vein. The question um is not specifically for the CR I don't
think is what who is going to hold the conservation and management permit. I think the only way it affects the CR is that um whomever is holding it has to
then say that the CR holder is a permit. Does that make sense? Am I saying that right, Dan? [laughter] You're shaking your head, so I think >> it sounds right. Yeah, it's complicated with if there's co-permites, but um no, I think that that's that makes sense.
So the co the co-ermitting is between the holder of the CR once the CR is in place >> CMP >> no >> and TSA >> the the the permit holder is the one
doing the work um the alteration of the land so that's Tesa and and the town potentially the the holder of the CR has doesn't not need a permit. They're just agreeing to take the land
and hold it in conservation and, you know, inspect it and monitor it and all that >> monitor uses, right? >> I I I think from my standpoint, I would want to have a conversation with town council. >> Yeah, definitely. Um, [clears throat]
this was meant to kind of give the information so you have an idea. Um, but yeah, I didn't think this would be decided tonight. >> Yeah. Do you have anything in writing from um, Miss Deianne?
>> No. >> Can we get >> that I've seen writing from Miss Deianne? Um, because I would want that. I'm sure we could we could request that I think >> so that it's clear what is being asked
for. >> And I would want since they're the ones asking, I would want this from them, >> you know. Um can I just say one thing? I way back when this committee started, I
tried to get some help and advice from Natural Heritage and nobody would even respond. And now it's like 11:30 in our whole process and suddenly we've got this new
big issue that has to be figured out. And um I'm concerned that this is going to end up taking so much time that um by the time
this this comes to fruition, the town government, which may not be the current individuals, may just toss it and there won't be any protection on that property.
And that's really too bad. >> Um, >> I just want to note that Anna Wilkins has just arrived. Um, >> so anyway, I I agree with Emily uh a little bit on this. This isn't something
that we anticipated, >> but it is something we have to think about. [clears throat] Um, is the committee James Gates is here. Is the committee okay with me having him ask a question? >> Yep.
>> Go ahead, J. >> It's not really a question. It's more of a statement. Uh this them moving the goalpost was a huge surprise to us in regards to the well. >> Oh, you're you're speaking for >> TA. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> Um Mike gets this for the other side. Um [laughter] the it was a surprise. Um [clears throat] and I I would encourage us to reach out to Mike [clears throat] Jones um to talk to him or involve him more in this discussion. I know we tried
to do things off but [clears throat] um you know I at least try to talk to them. I've talked to them in the past. you have um you know zoom calls from the you know during co that
>> right from way back I was zoom calls >> and nothing was indicated about the well they knew about the well the entire time but at no point this has to be part of the permit [clears throat] which it also doesn't surprise me because they
like to permit things as a whole [clears throat] >> um so let me just uh try um for has just arrived and >> so correct me if I say this wrong but um NHSP
through Miss Dean >> is a a requiring further um exploration and um [clears throat]
definition on the water piece of that property before um looking at uh issuing a permit. Do I have that right Selena and Dan?
>> Yeah, demarcation is kind of the key is of identifying an easement for future development of the well and having that on clear to everyone on the the conservation restriction plan.
>> Not a bad idea. Actually [clears throat] >> that's what we would be requiring as well. >> Okay. >> And Anna as part of that you know the conceptual [clears throat] limit of work of that would be count considered you know impact towards the
project. So, so there's now two components, you know, the soccer field expansion and and the well development, even though there's no date or certainty that it's going to happen, but this this allows the project to be prepered for
when it's does, you know, come time to do it. So, you know, North County would certainly need to understand what um what's in this easement, what's what what's kind of the limits of this work,
but um they you don't they're not requiring the full, you know, engineering of the the well development and all that that can be done when the time comes. So we're just counting, you know, how much
square footage or acreage of of theoretical work would be required for this and we're just mitigating it mitigating it for it upfront in order to get our permit from natural heritage. >> Okay. And I'm sorry Dan, you're with
Environmental. >> Yeah, I'm at LEC Environmental. So TASA TASA has hired me. I'm a biologist so I'm kind of coordinating the the permitting with natural heritage and also we have to go to Meepa for this so that's I'm coordinating that as well.
So, I've kind of uh I've been involved in the two recent meetings with Mistyanne Merald. And so, that's just our recent meeting earlier this week or maybe it was last week was um anyway, that's that's the kind of new information
that she, you know, she's she's requiring um in order to qualify for the MISA conservation and management permit. And >> you know it's not if in my experience with other projects it's not unheard of. You know it's not it's it's reasonable.
I think um >> I think just the next step in my opinion would be get get Dillis and Roy to produce at least a conceptual CR plan. So then North County can review it and then you can talk to the water
department, town council, town administrator and then it's clear to everybody and and as part of that, you know, we we've pretty much settled on the limits of the soccer field project. So that would be on the plan. So I think the work would
be defined and then it's just a matter of how do we all come together to get get the necessary signatures you know to get this all to start the permitting process. >> Yeah.
Um so I just um I just want to note um a couple things. One uh Kieran Mian is on the call. He's listening. uh he's our interim town administrator and I I had asked him to attend. >> Great. Thank you.
>> Um and uh the the other thing is that um uh the as far as the water piece goes, we hadn't yet discussed um demarking that in the plan, but I I think that's a good
idea. We did have um as far as allowed use and protections for that property, the town zoning uh bylaw 14554 groundwater protection is what we put in
there for allowed uses um prohibited uses >> for that water piece of the property. And um the other thing I want to say because I have my cell phone here is that Kieran just texted me that he would be willing to speak up if we wanted him
to. >> So um Kieran, I don't know if you have a few things to say, but you have the floor if you would like to have it. >> Yeah. So if you can hear me, okay? If not, scream and shout. Um, so I think my
first question is are all these easements necessary when it's across multiple parcels to get to the well site? Can you do it just for the parcel that's needed right now and then subject two for the next one? >> So the well site um easement actually
doesn't cross multiple parcels because it comes from Horseshoe Drive. Um, it's between a couple of the houses on Horseshoe Drive going out to the well. At least that is what the water department indicated in a previous email.
>> Exactly. >> So, the access is not from the the ball fields per se, like driving access to the question of how wide will the roadway be? >> No, it is. Um, can you see the map that Dan just brought up? >> Yes. So, the space in between the houses
right there on Horseshoe Drive is the space that the water department indicated was where they would put the road to the well. >> Got it. Cool. >> And so, it's completely um it's it's not
at all part of the expand the soccer field section of the property. >> Right. >> Right. And that I mean my can I speak? >> Yes. Just identify yourself. >> Anna Anna Wilkins from North County
Lant. My initial reaction was is there a way to limit the you know that I see a little bit onto the parcel that would be the majority of the restriction.
>> Right. >> Yeah. Is there a way to >> So that off [laughter] >> this is not um the current full soccer plan. Um >> Okay. Right. Right. Right. Right. That's right. Because the because the other
Right. Right. Right. Or is there a way to So Okay. So no matter what, we're going to need Dillis and Roy to demarcate the extent of the the conservation restriction um or the area that the conservation restriction will cover and
because conservation restrictions are an overlay on top of all the other things, right? So >> correct. >> So we need to do that anyway for >> the BDR, the application, >> everything. >> Yeah.
>> Right. for the for the conservation restriction draft to even be submitted to the state. We need that, >> right? >> The [clears throat] handling of the well site in my mind was going to be
delineated as a special use area within the conservation restriction. So it's like a subcategory of that restriction would say okay everything you know has these limitations allowed
uses then say there's a special use area which also has this um whatever the groundwater uses. >> Yes. The groundwater protection area. Right. Yeah. and that would be defined
within the conservation restriction. So in my mind it's fairly straightforward and it's not necessarily outside of the process that we're going through now if we're keeping everything together. if we're [clears throat] carving off into two
separate parcels. That's where I'm wondering if there's an opportunity for there to be two processes, right? But again, we were talking about whether or not all of the land,
>> you know, is in the CR. >> Um, I guess in in my mind, what makes sense to me is to the entire parcel. It's more than one parcel, but Squanook Meadows, the entire property known as
Squanook Meadows would have the CR placed on it. And then there would be a section carved out for a recreation area that has different allowed uses from the section carved out for the water, which has different restrictions and allowed
uses. >> Okay? [clears throat] and then just a generic CR on the rest of it. Um is the way I saw it. So kind of [clears throat] a whole piece with two layers. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's that is I think that's
slightly different than what we had >> previously previously discussed. >> We had discussed removing the fields from the CR. >> Correct. Okay. >> Okay. So, but with this it sounds like
soccer isn't going to get the permit unless the water thing is looked at and unless it's all put in one >> piece under [laughter] the CR. [clears throat] Okay. >> So, Veronica, were you were you
suggesting all these parcels here would be lumped into the CR as well? Yes, now we are. That's what we're talking about now. Or originally, not so much. Well, so originally I believe they
were all included, but it was mostly just the south side of the parking lot, that ridge line that was in the CR and the soccer fields themselves were excluded, but it contained all of those
parcels because that whole thing is Squanak Meadows. >> Does that make sense? >> Okay. I'm just wondering if that complicates for the permitting. You know, this is going to be all mostly developed and permitted for development. So, all natural heritage wants would
want is this arsenal alone to be in the CR. >> That would be my understanding. >> Not want the soccer fields in the CR even though there's species activity >> in that section. >> Correct. because they're they're
essentially we're asking for a permit. We we're altering rare species habitat. We're avoiding and minimizing it, but we're mitigating it. So, they're allowing us to permanently alter their habitat in respon in return for permanently protecting a larger amount
over here, which is more valuable or, you know, much of it is, you know, highly valuable. So, that's that's how I'm envisioning it. So that would simplify this, you know, because otherwise North County would be
responsible for parking lot and M plans and, you know, I don't know, but that that's not my expertise, but I was just envisioning just this this parcel here. >> Well, that was our original plan.
[laughter] >> Um, okay. But there is some some fields you know that would have to be >> identified in the CR the existing field and there's a little bit of new work expand connecting out to here. >> Yeah, it's basically just a fence line
to keep people on the soccer side but [clears throat] not going over to the habitat side. >> So that piece would have the CR on it if we went that route. So, can I can I just ask um Mike and Emily, what what do you
guys think? Just off the top of your head. Well, okay. Not knowing the legal ease of it, but it seems to me if we go back to the original plan, why can't we just um include and not include the soccer
fields, but just include the the the habitat part of it? to um incorporate this um worst case scenario plan, delineate specific the the parameters and whatever
was going to be built on it. Why can't that be just part of the CR rather than the whole thing? Well, and can can I just put out another not
to muddy the waters, but it might muddy over >> um [laughter] stomping through the mud puddle. Uh no, I mean uh so one of the issues that was discussed way
back was that this is municipal land and if at any point in time like general purpose is municipal land which is why the conservation restriction is that much more valuable. One thought uh that I I put out there is
do do you want to take advantage of this time to permanently protect both the recreation aspect of it um and the conservation aspect of it? we can do two separate CRs, one that covers the MISA
area and one that covers recreation uh fields uh at it and that doesn't necessarily have to do anything with your MISA permitting and it can be done at another time or it can be done kind of you know the
same >> at the same time but it's not it's a separate document that does a different thing >> for the recreation >> for the recreation piece. to make sure that it stays in recreation and not like, you know, say, you know, soccer goes out of style. We all know
it's up and coming and it's going to continue to be more and more popular, but you know, say, [sighs] you know, 100 years from now, soccer is not no longer a fad and everybody's got computer chips in their head and nobody goes outside. You know, we still need the we still
want the land to be open and undeveloped. So there is value in the town considering to protect that open space as open space and recreational space either with a CR or transferring those parcels to the
care and custody of the recck department or transferring those parcels to the care and custody of the conservation commission >> or thearian parks >> or the cemeterian parks. So, um, so there's different ways to like handle that
>> piece of making sure that the intention of those fields, it continues to be available to future generations. [clears throat] Does that make sense? >> If there were two stars, would uh, North County be willing to hold both of them
or just that one that for habitat? I would have to go through the process again. Um because when we were out there with our lands committee and I was going to mention the the votes that we got both at the lands committee and the board did not include the soccer fields because that's what we were talking
about at that time at that time. >> So if we wanted to include them I'd have to go back to get those uh approvals. Um it's just a it's a it's a conversation I can bring up with them. I can put bring
that through our our process. So, if um the if we didn't [clears throat] put the CR on the soccer fields and we just put it, which is what I think Miss Deianne was requesting, if we just put the CR on
the habitat, >> major habitat piece and the water piece, that whole piece, >> would that be sufficient for the permitting process for TESA? And then we could consider whether to put a CR on
the um or how to permanently re protect the recreational piece of the property at a later time. >> Yes, that's correct. >> What kind of process would it be to put it in a care and custody of a
recreational department? Is that a big deal or is that a relatively minor thing? I think it's probably a relatively minor thing. We'd have to, you know, it it looks like it's already separated for the most part. That one
the bigger soccer field and that fence line would be within the CR, but [clears throat] it always was going to be. I I think that the other piece is more of a deed thing and redoing the deed having you'd have to do a vote and
maybe Kieran knows I don't know Karen if you uh know that process very well. I mean you in a town we're [clears throat] dealing with city stuff right now. It's slightly different than town stuff, but I don't
I don't I think it's a select board thing. I think the select board can transfer Uh, but I don't know if it has to be a warrant. Like I don't know if it needs town meeting vote. That's my question.
>> So just I'm listening to you guys and I can hear you. It's a really good question if you can still hear me. >> Yeah, we can hear you. >> Yeah, Kieran from the town administrator's office. Um, so what comes to mind to me is a process that we also did for another parcel down in um
near South Harbor for the fire museum. And I do believe and Veronica knows better than I was a town meeting necessary for that to allocate it out by the select board. >> The reason town meeting was necessary was because of the 50-year lease. If it
wasn't for the 50-year lease, I don't believe town meeting would have been necessary. >> Okay. So, I can double check that or we can maybe Veronica and I can both check that with town council just to confirm that for you guys in the effort. Um, just to
make sure we, you know, cross all the right tees and dot all the right eyes. >> [snorts] >> Yeah, I I know that um for things like the uh expansion of the senior center that was done that that didn't need to
go to town meeting. That was all under the select board. um deciding to do it, you know, um all of that that was all not the it [clears throat] was the 50-year piece
that necessitated it to go to town meeting. So, yeah. So, so I guess you know if the the the real question or debate and I don't know how your committee is run but you know there
are certain legal entities that can hold town you know land ad commissions conservation commissions rec um parks and w commissions um cemetery. So, um, it's just who's appropriate, who's
who's the best fit for that. >> Yeah. >> In town, and that's different in every town. Has to do with the people involved and how it's set up and all sorts of things. So, >> yeah, we'd have to talk about that. [clears throat] >> If that were to happen, that seem would
seem to simplify things a great deal. >> Well, it would mirror the boat that MLT took. [laughter] We separated >> the two, which is the path we were going down at the time that we walked >> in. Was it November?
>> Early November. Late. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It was November. It was early. >> Yeah. >> Around Halloween. >> I remember cuz we were so so surprised to see that turtle. [laughter] >> She stole the show.
Um, >> what if this whole thing was initiated through Tesa and if TASA now had to deal with a different entity completely, they're out of the picture in terms of the habitat?
>> No, because part of their soccer fields are still in that big parcel right there. So, I think it would simplify things, Mike. Yes. because then we wouldn't have to go back to
North County and redo things. We can, you know, I I see very clearly a way for the restriction to fit over both the soccer field that's within that parcel and the well site, future well site. um
with that would still track you know with the current uh progress that's been made so far. Um >> can I um ask a clarifying question? [laughter] Um,
>> in the in the CR document that we had been working on, >> we called out the 40 acre property including parcel B2, B1D, B3A and excluding the Tesa soccer complex
area. >> Yes. [clears throat] >> So, can I share the map that we have for the Tesa So, can you guys see the yellow? >> Yep. >> So, originally we said we were going to
include all of the different parcels and just block out the soccer fields and the roads, >> like all of that area. Um, but it did make it so the CR was going to include, like I said, this ridge line.
>> Yeah. >> In these parcels. So, is that still what we're talking about or are we talking about only doing this one large? So, so right now what [clears throat] in light of what Dan was saying,
I was I I was thinking that the simplifying of the process would be to just keep it to the parcel that Misa is requiring for your permitting. just
this large parcel >> and >> because because it sounds like Misa doesn't really care. I mean, maybe they would think it's lovely, but it's it's it's if so, and let me add this little
piece, is that if we're having Dillis and Roy come out and do a plan, it's going to be cheaper if we're using existing lot lines than making new ones for that shape file. But, you know,
having said that, I know Emily is probably saying, "Well, there's still habitat there. We should probably include it." [laughter] Uh, because we we want to make sure that, you know, the driveway doesn't get
expanded or that way or whatever. Um, so you know to to me it does it's um this shape file this shape that you're showing us now in yellow is what the with North County Land Trust is prepared
to take on um in terms of the conservation restriction area. So that's not a problem. I think if it were changing minimally, you know, they wouldn't bulk at any of that. Um but if we're doing something
that changes acreages or you know overall concepts um dramatically we would have to go back for approval. So I, you know, I was just thinking in light of what Dan was saying
about what was actually required for the permitting and understanding that, you know, TAC has been through a lot to even get this far. And I was just kind of trying to say, well, you know, the most
simple thing we could do is, you know, keep keep it to one parcel and then because if if you're, you know, the the other concept that was brought in, Selena, that um I think I was trying to
simplify was this like how do we um protect all of the land, >> right? >> And keep it for recreation in the future. If the CR isn't covering it, it's still municipal use. And, you know, yes, the CR goes, you know, up the
driveway, but um you can still put, you know, your elementary school there or whatever. Um >> Okay. So, so are we including that area
um to the side of the of the access road? >> I think that's what we're discussing now. Do you do you want to give [clears throat] your two cents on that? >> Um this last spring there
was at least one wood turtle down there and uh the spring before that there was a Blandings down there. Yeah. >> Oh, >> and and Emily, I want to say like I'm not advocating for it not to be a
protected area, but I think if there's concern about the long-term protection of the entire like all of those parcels, it it's once there's a CR, it can't be
subdivided, right? So, you'd lose the opportunity to Well, I got trying to think of how you would protect the soccer fields area
from potential conversion. after you put a conservation restriction over the parcels over just a small part portion of the parcels you'd have to have like another CR or I'm just trying to think through I'm
just there it's probably doable I'm just [laughter] I I think the simplest thing this [clears throat] is me is to um to keep the two parcels or three parcels on the right there where the main part of the
soccer complex says if if we keep that out of the CR, just put the CR on the piece, the larger piece, um, and then,
uh, get the permitting done and then have the town come back and look at how to protect the soccer piece of things. makes the most sense and and to protect it for recreation for the town so it
doesn't have a school or houses or you know and actually now that you're talking about I'm so done the CR can totally go up the driveway and you can still just transfer
the care and custody of the underlying parcels to a different board. The CR would still would still be in effect on if we >> would out that yes. >> Okay.
>> So, so, so I'm just I don't know why I had a mental block on that. That >> Yeah, you could do both. >> And what about the large soccer the soccer field? Uh the farthest soccer
field that one. Yes. >> Yeah. Is that in the CR or not in the CR? >> It doesn't have to be. >> It doesn't. >> We could do what we had planned. >> As long as Dan, as long as that was okay uh
um with Misty and that concept, >> I mean I it's understood that that you know continued use of that as soccer is is will be permitted. I think it's it's up you know if we're putting the CR on just
a large parcel I think that might be up to the grantee how they want to have it >> allow you know you know it might be the language in the CR itself that that the grantee you know is comfortable with >> but I don't I don't you know using
natural heritages template there may that may be covered already but um it's understood that you know that's going to be designated clearly and monumented and and um continued use allowed.
>> Yeah. >> So if you're comfortable as the grantee, you know, with that, then I think that's fine with natural heritage. >> Okay. So then yes, I think we can stay with the yellow lines with our original concept.
>> Okay. >> For the CR, the next step is to get that surveyed. so that it's on a plan and that the bounds for it. I know Selene you you
said that you know the there will be fence lines but we'll need to have iron pins or some sort of monuments on the corners um that could be found. Um, >> yeah, they probably, you know, want granite markers at some of the major
corners and iron pins or if there's numerous kind of turns that iron pins are acceptable often. But yeah, the major corners should have granite markers. So, Dillis and Ry, you know, you guys do plenty of these, whatever
you guys have had experience with. >> Yeah, it's a com combination of both. Um yeah, like like Dan said, the majors will do the bounds. It depends on the town. Um on the town >> towns requires granite posts, but they wave them for iron pins on a regular
basis. So you would have to work that out, I guess. Um >> I I'm fine with either. It just has to be a permanent something. Um so grant is expensive, but it is. It's pretty and
it's easier to find over time. >> It is. That is true. >> And the beating on this side probably isn't going to be too bad, I would expect. >> Oh, yeah. Nice sand. I'm sure you [laughter] >> There's already some granite markers. Like there's one here at the corner of
this field. There's one up here that we found when we were doing the sitewalk. So, there's some already there, but yeah, for like specifying these things, >> I understand. Yeah. >> So, just so to be clear, there's now going to be one CR and it's going to
cover all of this and the yellow area will be the recreational >> that. So, there will be one CR that covers everything except for the area outlined in yellow. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that is what my board agreed to.
So, [laughter] so the area in yellow is outside. Yeah. the CR. >> Do you want me to share the current um working document that we have >> or no? >> Um
I let's look um yes, but not just this. Well, yeah, go ahead. Let's look at it and see what we have. >> Okay, give me one second. >> Because this is what we've been sharing with um North County. So, um, this is the part where it says,
>> "Can you make it a little bit bigger, Selena?" >> Yes. [clears throat] Is that better? >> Yeah, that's better. Thank you. >> Portion of the 40 acre parcel. Yep.
And you know, I think my guesstimate was like it was like 26 acres >> that with the CR would actually cover. Yeah. But do Royo won't tell us exactly. [clears throat]
Okay. So, we've written it the way you know blocking out the yellow part of those um four parcels. I think it's four >> [clears throat] >> So um so if we do that we so that takes
care of the soccer piece to satisfy what NIHSP wants for the water. >> We have to also identify exactly the water piece. >> Right. >> Correct. >> Correct. And I I believe it was fairly
minimal in the email from the water superintendent. Superintendent. I almost called him water guy. [laughter] Sorry. I'm sorry. You have names. They're just gone. It's been a long day. Um
it it sounded like in his email it was only like 700 square feet for the actual well site. >> Yes. Yeah. So that's >> and then access a lot of Yeah. The access road will be because I think the well's located all the way on the back slope. >> Yeah.
>> So >> if you have a 20 I mean I don't have exact measurements here but if you have a 20 foot wide gravel access road with a little turnout plus an operation building around that it does add up quickly. >> Yeah. >> So I think that's the number that is most
>> it's most critical because we're we're summarizing just overall disturbance on the site. So that's that's the piece that she's looking for. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's the piece that my board is interested in too since it's not there now, >> right?
>> It's difficult for us to >> Well, I mean, there's plenty of times when people will reserve a house envelope or something within a, you know, it's a reserved right basically um within the conservation restriction. Um
but it has to be very clearly defined. Um so we can do sort of an envelope that would be the the most conservative maximum they would need. [laughter]
>> Does that make sense? >> Well, that's that's what I was thinking. You have to find the sweet spot because if you go to the certain people on the water, >> some water guy will uh [laughter] >> sorry, >> you know,
might say, "Well, geez, you know, if we really want to do it right, we're going to need this size building. We're going to need this." And then next thing you know, you've got this expansive project, >> which we don't want, you know. So it's right you the way you put it it's it's like the maximum
>> the most conservative maxer >> I've written it down. [laughter] >> All right. So um >> so I got to just say so the plan is that you would make the plan and then bounce it off the water department to see if it was acceptable with them.
>> That seems reasonable to me. I I would not be getting into the design. It sounded like they have their own design consultant engineer for that >> that work particular. But I could at least create an envelope conceptually on paper and >> maybe sketching an access road a building in the well and
>> yeah and see if that would >> Yeah. Ryan, [laughter] have you talked to the water department at all? >> No, not yet. We just this conversation just started at the end of last week. So >> Okay. All right. Good. Um Selena, would you put the CR back up? I want to look
at the part where we um talked about water, the one the water groundwater protection area or whatever the that 145 whatever the >> 54 groundwater protection
to see if I'm I'm looking to see if we put anything about designating that area is what [clears throat] I'm looking for. And I think I had given Okay. >> Yeah. [clears throat] Okay. And is this under allowed uses?
>> Yeah. So this is um Oh, sorry. I went too far. Reserved rights in the premises. >> Yeah. So we in there we could define that area. Exactly. >> Yeah. I [clears throat] I think what what will be added here is as shown on
plan you know recorded in you know what are you in middle section north middle >> south cell >> registry of deeds you know plan number book page whatever um
and in exhibit at the end of the document >> okay [clears throat] >> it'll be in both places and I tend to do the overall plan in the like minimized and then like a zoom in
of that area as another exhibit. [laughter] Okay. >> Um so this is on same kind of idea but just a little side step here. The CR model that we chose to use was the NHSP
N model. We had talked about changing the template to a the EEA template is slightly different from >> Are we sticking with the NHSP model? Is that what Miss Deian seemed to indicate?
though that did come up during the meeting and she um said it was really important that we work from the NHSP current CR. Um she said it has changed and she was going to send us the newest
draft of it but she said that the EA one is not recommended. Mhm. >> That was what Mike Jones had told us way back when and I forget who exactly who sent me this but they sent it to me in like 2022
maybe 2021 2020 >> when we were doing this during co James that's where this came from. >> Um >> there may be a newer >> that's on my list to remind her to send that to us. So, I I'll ask her tomorrow
to get make sure, but you know, it might be timeconuming to compare, but I don't think it's going to be dramatically different. >> Yeah, we might just be able to pick up what we've done and plop it in there. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. For sure. >> Okay.
>> I Yeah. Yeah. And I wasn't when I was looking over this draft, I wasn't necessarily saying we would change completely the template, but that I might bring elements of the EA1 into this one. >> Okay. Um,
>> Miss Deianne, you know, kind of cautioned us the more kind of nitpicking and changes from, you know, town councils and things like that, then it gets now instead of Miss Yenne being able to review it, she'd have to have
NHSP council review it, you know, so it could add some time and complexity to it. But, so just keep that in mind. But you know, you have the end of the day, you got to get what works for the grantee. So
>> that's right. >> Okay. >> Um she had also mentioned a couple of uh what she called red flags and one was saying no use of herbicides and pesticides.
Um, but it looks like we put it in here that it just needs permission. >> Right. >> So, I think >> will that pass, do you think? Well, yeah, I think the I I think the
>> But here is where we say that you can't use it. Um so her [clears throat] >> her reasoning was that um if you say no herbicides or pest pesticides
um it sometimes they are necessary for habitat management. Um especially she said uh herbicides may become necessary to habitat management unless you want to dig out every stem of
every invasive plant. And that for pesticides, there could be problems in the future, such as the invasive hornet comes and builds a nest right next to the fields on the CR property and it says you can't use a pesticide, but it
would be needed in this case. >> Yeah. Uh Selena, where did you highlight where it says with uh prior permission? This is in the reserved rights on the premises,
>> right? So, so the way that conservation restrictions are set up is that you list out everything you that's prohibited. >> Mhm. and a lot and then you
kind of claw back certain things that you've already prohibited. Right. >> Okay. So, that's why having it up above where it says it's not allowed and then below saying unless you get permission that >> covers both. Okay, that makes sense,
>> right? Yep. Yep. So you're going to see things like you can't cut any trees, you can't cut any vegetation whatsoever. And then down below it will say unless you're doing invasive management, you're doing management of this that or the other thing, you know. Uh so it's it's
very strange, but that's the way it's done. [laughter] >> Okay. Um, the other red flag she mentioned was um, if we put in anything that is around ADA access, which I don't think we
included anything in here about that. >> I don't think we did. I don't remember even discussing it. >> Yeah, I don't think so either. >> So, I don't think it's an issue. So, putting in ADA access is an issue.
>> So, [laughter] her her thing was not that it's an issue. It's that the way that some people word it when they put it in, it is not worded to be ADA is allowed. it is worded to be this particular mobility device is allowed
and then that device is allowed for everyone not just the ADA compliance version of it. Um, >> okay. >> But yeah, I think I don't know that that is needed in this.
Correct me if I'm wrong. >> Um, well, it's usually in the section of motorized vehicles. So you typically prohibited use is motorized recreational vehicles and then
in the permitted uses will be motorized vehicles you know for people with disabilities is permitted um or motorized vehicles that are aiding access for people with limited mobility
things like that. So that's typically I think that's what she's probably talking about is that a lot of people the way that they try to make accommodations in there for um yeah
um for people who are um disabled sometimes just opens the gate for anybody. Of course, you'd have to be savvy enough to find the conservation restriction and read it and then I mean, [laughter]
you know, um, but if you were, you know, if you were suing somebody for ripping around on their dirt bike and their lawyer got a hold of the CR, they might >> I can look at that.
I think this looks like it was part of the original. >> Yeah. >> Um template. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's all. >> Can we talk move on to the habitat
management component? I know that's um I have to leave it by 8:30. So, if we could talk about that a little bit while Anna's here. >> Habitat management. So part of part of the permit requirements for the permit from natural heritage is
maintenance or management of this turtle habitat. And so a grantee, you know, I think part of this may be something we designate on the plan habitat management areas or or
you know that's to be discussed but um that's done in in other projects similar to this where you have like up here habitat management A this will be maintained in open sand for nesting area B will be mowed every you know trees
will be cut every 5 years, things like that. So, that's clearly got to be acceptable to North County, but it's it has to be kind of codified in a plan, habitat management plan, and and there
has to be money set aside for in an escrow for um you know, ensuring the long-term management. So, North County will have to be on board with that. Is that something you you've done in other BRs?
Um, [sighs] not have Well, I' I've never had a CR that uh in or or is puts
puts a requirement for uh an escrow account or anything like that. I have absolut you know there definitely there are conservation restrictions that require management plans for sure but never funding with it. Um
so having the management plan and executing management plans is not a problem at all especially if it's in support of or um you know enhancing the habitats and the conser the values of the or the
conservation values basically. Um, so at the beginning of the conservation restriction, we're going to outline all of the the reasons the the reasons why this conservation restriction, like what what are those conservation values that
we're protecting? And as long as the management plan is in support of those conservation values, then we're good. As soon as you come across a management plan that says,
"Well, we're going to convert this into um you know, white pine forest or something that is not conducive to the conservation values. Even if it is natural, we'd say you can't do that
because it's not supporting the values that are expressed within this conservation restriction." >> Okay. Yeah. the plan, you know, would be exclusively for Habitat of the Two Rare Turtles. >> So, [clears throat] is that plan going to be written by NHGSP or who is writing
that? >> No, that's that's our responsibility. So I would I typically write those, but I would certainly work with Emily or >> with North County, you know. So that's another kind of side meeting we'll have to have. But >> you know, I can conceptually give you a
guidance as to what I think is needed, but yeah, I'd love to have more Emily's input. Emily knows better than anyone probably what how best to manage that for those turtles. So >> Okay. Um so but we do you know this is something we we need to develop you know
pretty on the sooner side at least start thinking about it. >> Yeah. Dan are you able to do that that mapping that you were talking about like the zones for different things? [clears throat] >> Absolutely. Y >> come up with that map. >> Yep. And it may be maybe Emily and I and
maybe Anna and any you know anyone else we could we could do a walk and kind of brainstorm how we map out these different zones. >> Mike, you might be good. >> Maybe on Monday. >> Monday. [laughter] Sure.
>> In the snowstorm. because and is this uh so and then are were you saying Dan that that needed to be on like on a survey or just like a sketch plan like you would see in a forest management plan? >> Yeah, it can it doesn't have to be on a
surveyed plan. you know, it might be useful to have have these kind of areas on the CR plan, but that's >> I [clears throat] don't know if that's going to be required by natural heritage, but yeah, there would be a standalone turtle habitat management
plan that would have whatever maps and diagrams um was needed. And that plan is referenced in the CR. You know, I saw it on the screen. You know, it says as indicated in the plan, the habitat plan or something. So, >> right. Right. It does mention that
habitat plan a number of times. >> We've talked about it and >> and we've talked about it and then like we don't know what to do with this hunting it. [laughter] >> Yeah. So, yeah, I I will take the lead on that, but I certainly want to do it collaboratively. So, we can whenever
everyone wants to meet, we can have a kind of a side meeting about that. >> Side quest. Okay. >> Well, I'd like to be on that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I I I think if it's Dan and Anna and Mike and Emily, I don't think it
needs to be posted because it's not a quorum of this committee. >> Okay. >> That means you'll just have to fill me in. [laughter] [clears throat] >> Oh, that's right, Selena. I'm sorry. >> So, so that's kind of a major component
of the permit, you know, the permitting with natural heritage. So they need to know limit of work um CR plan CR and habitat management plan. So that's once we have that together we can kind of submit a draft permit
application to Misty and kind of get her blessing on it. Um looking ahead though that you know the major permitting or we have to do MISA MEPA we have to we so we would file our expanded
ENF you know um that just so you're all aware because there's an environmental justice community. So that's here's the property in this green blob. It's an environmental justice community and it's
within a mile of the project. So it trig it's an automatic environmental impact report and you know Selena when we first met you know we're thinking is there some kind of exemption that you know this project is a soccer field do we
really have to go through all this but there really isn't you have to just do it so >> okay >> we have there's a process we have to do a 45 days advanced notice to the the community and then we have to do outreach and you know so all that So, we
want to once we kind of get a sense we're close to within that 45 days of ready to file, then we would get that going. So, we're we're already starting it, but you know, I know we need water department, you know,
consultation. So, there's still a lot of things we got to get in order, but we may not be that far off from starting the process. >> Yeah. Do Dan, do you have uh target dates for um >> I think once we get Dillis and Roy CR
plan that's kind of for me once that's ready and everyone's reviewed it then that's kind of the point where I think we're ready to start getting a timeline put together. >> Okay. >> [clears throat] >> So,
>> um, do we know do we know about when Dillis and Roy would be done with with their step? >> Dan, can that plan be conceptual or does that need to be at the recordable level?
>> Um, good question. I think I No, I think conceptual for now to get it get it to everyone all of the parties to review it is is good. Um, okay. Um >> but showing you know showing a lot of
the the bounds and monuments and all that. >> Okay. >> I I guess for me I I want um I I think there needs to be a further discussion on the co-permitting between the town and Tesa. And then I
also think there needs to be a discussion about um paying for all the pieces for the um the CR and the grants that we're going to apply for we the town. So it's kind of a town TEASA. Uh
there needs to be more talking about how that handshake works, who's responsible for what and those sorts of things. um and payment because we are going to have to apply for grants. >> Yeah.
>> To cover it. So, and NRWA has been very receptive. They're very uh invested in seeing this property have um permanent protection because it's at the headarters of the Squan Park.
So, so do we have a an approximate time when Dillis and Roy would have a conceptual plan for us? >> A concept of a plan. >> I will I will [laughter] getting married next weekend and going
on honeymoon right away. So, I >> Congratulations. Congratulations. Um, if I I'm scrambling before that, so I will have to get back to you tomorrow on an estimate, but I would say within a couple weeks, probably. If not, it just when I get back. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Let's give you Okay, so you're getting married next weekend and then you're going on a honeymoon. >> Yeah. >> For a week or more? >> Um, we're back after President's Day, which is the 16th. >> The 16th. Okay. So, I would give you I don't know. Do you need like two two
weeks after that? I >> or three weeks after that? >> No, less than I'd say two weeks after that would be funny. >> Okay. >> Certainly in February. >> Okay. Be reasonable with yourself. >> All right. [laughter] Getting married. Come on. >> I got it.
>> Okay. So, about by the end of February. Um, and can we come up with a date to start working on the habitat management stuff? [clears throat] And and do we have to walk the site
because you know this storm there's going to unless we've got snowshoes we can >> yeah we can do do a virtual meeting with you know looking just using the ortho photo as a starting point at least. >> Okay. >> And yeah I mean is it better to do it in
the evening or during during the day for everybody? >> It's better for me during the day because I can put book it into my workday. But um >> Mhm. >> if um I don't know, Emily, what's good for you? >> Yeah, during the day works for me. And
Mike, does that work for you? >> Uh yeah, most days. There are a couple of days that are a little bit more grandfatherly. [laughter] >> Okay. Well, Selena, do you want to take the lead or on coordinating or do you
want me to >> or do we have to keep Selena out to keep it not a quorum? I guess, >> right? Selena wasn't going to be doing >> this part. >> Okay. So, >> she could coordinate. [laughter]
>> Oh, just give you the the boring stuff and not let you in on the party. I don't know. That's not fair. As long as it's not a quorum and it doesn't need to be posted, that's the important thing. So, >> yeah. So, Dan, if you are happy to run with it and that way you can
>> Okay. I just want to make sure I I I don't think I have everybody's emails. I might have that. Who's the best person to just send send a mass email to everybody? Um, if it's okay with Emily and Mike and
Anna, I can forward your emails to Dan. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> And are you generally around next week? We try to get right on it next week. >> Yeah. Any any day except uh Thursday for
me next week. >> Mike, >> I think any day but Monday. I think Monday I've got some things. So, Tuesday, Wednesday, th Friday, you're fine. >> Um,
Monday. Okay. Monday, middle of the day is okay. Oh, you're busy Monday. Sorry. Tuesday afternoon is okay. Wednesday [clears throat]
uh is not good. Thursday is not good. Friday's okay. >> Tuesday afternoon. >> Tuesday. Yeah. >> Tuesday morning. How about uh 9 or 10? >> Um Tuesday
afternoon is okay. Tuesday morning is booked for me. >> Okay. Um All right. Yeah. One or two. Yeah, one one's great. >> Tuesday at one. I'll try for that
>> and I will get with um Kieran and we'll see what needs to be done on the town side. Uh Selena, I might want to talk to you more about the permitting thing and how that might work. So maybe um I'll I'll email you at you know next week and
maybe you Kieran and I could get together sometime [clears throat] and talk about that if that's okay with you Kieran. I don't know if you're still there. >> Yep, that works for me. >> Okay. And we'll figure out all the permitting stuff and the what we can do
grant-wise and that sort of thing. um how this works legally [laughter] for the town. >> So, okay. So, I had a meeting uh pencled in for next week Thursday, but I think
we should push that out >> um when and um and we can just meet in our own little subgroups to figure out the next and then get together and talk about the habitat management. Um, Selena, if you get the um the template
from I don't know whether it's you or Dan that's getting the template from Misty to use and I'll I'll be willing to work with [clears throat] you for putting stuff in there back and forth if you want. Um, so as a whole group, when
do you guys think is the next best time to meet? Should we wait till Ryan's back? >> No, we need we need to move on this. February 5th. [clears throat]
I can't do February 5th. February 12th. >> Okay, let me look at February 12th. Um um I I may be remote, but I I could do February 12th.
>> That would work for me. >> I can I can do it. >> You can do it. Emily, how about February 12th? >> February 12th works for me. Dan, Anna, Ryan's still week, is it? >> I think the following week is I think
>> the following week is school vacation. >> Yeah, I can do the 12th then. >> Okay. So, let's let's pencil in the 12th at 7 p.m. >> Okay. >> For our next meeting then and I'll get a Zoom link and um and the room and we'll
go from there. >> Okay, great. Yeah, I can do that. Um I better sign off tonight. I have to get my daughter. So, um it I guess uh this was great. Thank you everybody. I think we're made a lot of progress and we'll keep this moving quickly. And one one
last thing just is there a way that um the water commissioner can Ryan can get any information from them for um what's needed for the footprint of the project.
We [clears throat] can forward that email um to unless you have that already Dan >> from Dave Van. Do you have that? >> Um >> I think I sent that but if not I can forward that as well. >> Yeah Selena, if you have it and want to
forward it to Ryan that would be helpful. >> Did he me did did Dave mention that they have a concept plan? He [clears throat] said that he was working on the 10-year um master plan, >> right?
>> And this would be incorporated in it. >> Yeah. >> Um and I'm not sure who I saw the name on that recently for who's working on that, but >> but basically >> Dan the um I believe it's marked on the current
survey plan. Is that right? The well site. >> I don't we have that information. [clears throat] said it's where the test >> it's where the test well is. >> Yeah. So, um and that's on the ground like you can see the test well coming.
>> Yeah. It might not be in the plan. It's um so if we >> I'm pretty sure it the water department might have given us something with it on. >> Yeah. I kind of feel like there was some map that had it on there. >> I kind of think so, too. But I think it
was this stuff. >> Okay. All right. Well, I better sign off. Thank you everybody. >> Thank you Dan. >> Okay. >> Thank you Dan. All right. So um anything else? Otherwise I'll entertain a motion to
>> Well, just a little guidance. So I I've tried to communicate with the Massachusetts uh historical society. having the commission. >> Mhm. >> And uh sent out emails um um voice messages and they just do not get back
to me. So I I described the situation. I asked two questions. Is the project um notification form so and so the correct one? And do we need to wait until the project is completed? The restrictions have been accepted by the holder, all the funding has been secured, etc.
before we initiate the review process. And um >> that would be a shame. I'm sorry. [laughter] You had to wait until we were all done with everything. >> Well, go ahead. >> I know. But the the odd thing is I've sent this twice. Last week I um said um
I left I called um always working remotely from home. Uh can I get the number? Well, I can't give you his his number. although I think I've clandestinely found his cell phone number, but I don't haven't used it yet.
Um, and um, uh, but he's very good about checking his voicemail. So I said, I've sent it a couple of times, December 10th, December 18th, [clears throat] and um, haven't heard anything. Could you please let me know if you have received
them and haven't heard? >> Nothing. >> Nothing. [snorts] >> Mass Historical Commission. Yeah. So I guess >> they didn't respond to your you sent in the form. >> No, I was asking if because there was some question of whether we have to wait
till the end or can we do the form now. >> Do the form. >> Just do the form. Yeah. Okay. Start that process. Okay. >> Send in the form. >> And essentially the same thing happened with Freedom's Way inquiring about whether or not one of their >> uh grants uh would fit our needs and uh
they don't um respond either. [laughter] Wow. >> Well, I think let's hold up on them. >> Okay. >> Um because I think it's more um more likely that the funding source will be different from them. I don't know.
>> Do you know someone >> at Freedom's Way? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I know both and both both people who work there, so [clears throat] I can just check to see what their workload's like or what their deal is or what the
>> um if there's anything that fits. >> Um so Desiree used to be on our board and [clears throat] she lives in town so I could knock on her door, but she wouldn't she would be grumpy with me. [laughter] >> Okay. You're like, I'm home. I'm not
working. Just leave me alone. >> So, I should go ahead and start the process of um filling out the application. >> I think so. >> Okay. >> Yes, I would do that. They've always answered me when I've sent in the form. >> Okay. [clears throat]
>> So, they're very >> You just can't ask a question about the form. [clears throat] >> Yeah. >> It's a small operation. [laughter] Do you know her? Michael Steinitz. >> I don't. Um, but I was I I did uh I'm
surprised you got an email address to email [clears throat] from >> Oh, no. They they give that one out. Yeah. >> Cuz I never I've never like I'm like I don't even know why they have one because they don't answer anymore. [laughter]
>> Oh, >> thanks. Anybody else have anything? I'll take a motion. >> There were a couple of other things on the agenda. Are we going to table them until next meeting or are we going to table them till the next meeting because
we might have further answers. It was a timeline for CR completion with CLT including grant applications and support. I think we need to get some of our answers >> questions answered before we can do that. And then the other was a
discussion of the report for the select group from the CR committee. But I think I'm just I think I am going to report to them. But that also fits in with um you know our discussion the discussion that Selena and Kieran and I have. So
>> I do and I do have the clerk's certificate of the votes. >> You do? >> Uh well, all right. Our clerk's internet was out. So she sent me a photograph of the site. [laughter] >> No, I think we need the real thing.
>> Yeah, I'm going to go to her house tomorrow and pick it up. So >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So you can send us the photograph, but we'll need the the real thing. >> Yeah. So sending us the photograph would would allow us to go to the um select
board and get something um >> definitive and >> etc. >> Okay. >> So thank you. >> All right. So Veronica, for the meeting between Tesa and the town, um you said
you'll email me. >> Yes. Talk to Kieran. Kieran, you and I will talk. I'll send an email to all. >> All right, that was all I had. Thank you. [laughter] >> You're welcome. Anybody else?
>> Your hand's not up, is it James? [laughter] >> I move that we adjourn. Give your name, please. And >> Emily Fine moves to adjourn at 8:37 p.m.
>> Delina Thomas. Second. >> All those in favor? Roll call, please. Selena, how do you vote? >> Selena Thomas, yes. >> Emily Fine, yes. >> Mike F says, yes. >> Veronica Kell, yes. Thank you, everyone. We are adjourned. A night.