um I'd like to call to order the Towns and Conservation Commission meeting for March 12th 2025 at 7:01 p.m roll call vote please mike present james Gates Kevin Smith
i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all can I get a copy of the meeting is being
recorded does anyone else copy right there oh it's all right um chairman's additions and or deletions we are removing 3.1 [Music] we're looking for a pencil
so we're going to remove 3.1 fish and wildlife and gag offer to purchase the road property to the next meeting March 26 chair report
anything that I would have um will be covered in the agent report and approve meeting minutes over here or do we not have any meeting minutes i don't no okay wait till the
26 1.7 agent report uh I don't really have anything that's not going to be covered in the meeting um besides some grant opportunities that we've been pursuing um we getting a little pulled in a
couple directions because our land use we have a grant we do we have a new grant person they started today so that's good beautiful yeah they'll help Beth and I um let's see so uh
the grants for this year's uh land surveys the the surveys have been completed and I'll get into it a little bit on the agenda um um the land grants uh the land survey
grants for the next year uh have not come out yet they haven't been advertised uh they expect to this council expects to put them out in April May time frame okay uh [Music]
so aware of that and I already have um very um look like we'll get some look like we'll get some more grant money to do a little more survey this coming year maybe if we apply we can get it in yeah if we can get it in
good yep it certainly is available i mean Okay so it's on your radar i got properties already designated for it so beautiful um there's also the community grant that we have started
um that that's uh through the stewardship council as well um wrapping up the um application for that what is that for well um it it can be a number of things as um as long as it is beneficial to the
this and national and there's a there's a bunch of different types of things we can cover um yeah that I don't have anything to add that's not going to be covered all right thank you Goldie did you do any building
permits or Oh GCF thank you i did yeah uh I looked at 163 Brooklyn Road um and that was uh for an audition to a house a room above
studio uh but it was and I went out and me measured it um and it was just outside of the riverfront area so it was about 215 ft away oh beautiful so could um sign off on that and there was there were two others but
they were also didn't fall into our jurisdiction okay beautiful that's fine well it's just an idea of what's going on beautiful all right thank you there are times
yes all right did you have to mail um the butter notifications i did yeah do you have the little green cards or whatever a picture of all the receipts okay might be hold on i can pull it up my
phone if you want oh there it is oh we got them we got them thank you um so this is amended order condition so do I do I It's not We don't need to open
the hearing correct no yeah um you're just you're making a modification a small modification actually all you're doing is modifying this
you're modifying the uh all you're doing is modifying the order conditions which isn't really doing much by the looks of things i have some big if you guys want to take a look at them is that what those are so let me just
read the legal notice and then Jack you can give us a spiel um pursuant to the Massachusetts Wetlands Protection Act and um wetlands bylaw Hong Kong hi Pat hi did we start
that's all right we did but I will stop what I'm doing and you can announce that you're okay it's okay Pat let me get the seat for you take your time we're We're actually ahead of the game yeah schedule tonight
where's James jimmy where you feel good does that have my one has my name on it cuz I only wanted a couple eggs no not that one okay so I got just pass them down then oh boy
well that was teacher for being sick i told him I was candy his favorite i know that's what you take such good care of us oh and I have some for the here also
put them in a separate dish all right so Pat it is 7:10 just want to announce that you're here okay pat 7:10 p.m thank you a little early but um so
um to the mass WPA in town wetland bios town commission will hold a public hearing kind of on Wednesday March 12th 2025 at approximately 7:15 p.m um the meeting will be held uh virtually via
Zoom meeting at the in person at town hall on an amended order of conditions file with concom by Jack Richie um the property is located at 56 Hill Road assesses map 17 parcel 6 the
proposed project is for the demolition of present house and foundation and construction of new foundation and house the project is within 200 ft of a river front area parties wishing to speak uh in support of or in opposition to this application
may do so at the meeting or in writing prior to the meeting copies of this application are available for review at town hall during business hours this uh D number is 308-0702 TWWB
2023-155 actually um who's joining us tonight and you You just purchased this property that I purchased it back in January early January and I believe the old order of conditions in OI called for an exact one to one replacement of the
existing structure uh what I'm proposing is that um I take the existing structure and then there was several sheds um a paved area and I'm consolidating those into one one new structure and then just
moving um a part of the driveway to shift it over to be more usable space i'm also going to drill a new well um and get rid of the dug well so that way I can shift the entire house farther away from the wetlands um so it'll be
less uh less impervious area and it's closer to the river um and it's actually going to end up being five less square feet of impervious area once all the work is done um and then we do a driveway shifting to the left Jack is that what you're proposing yeah yeah I
got a couple plans down all the greenish stuff that's in the area now that um will no longer be Oh thank you what about your subject where is that so
they already if you remember this because I remember you went down the sidewalk okay um this is on Bay Hill right by the swamp you go down the hill and then back up by the green houses oh yeah yeah yeah they already did the septic system okay and that's completed
okay uh separate systems installed bills and Roy has been out to shoot the final grade on it they're happy with everything board of Health has gone out just to look at it they won't sign off on anything until it's actually connected to the connected to the house and then they'll get the final sign off but uh subject system is essentially all
done it's just the final tie in um what's left to do is to tear down the house and then just I'm proposing just to shift the house over and consolidate um all those kind of mismatched areas into one one structure and move a lot of
I clean up all the old Yeah sheds the old sheds and stuff areas and stuff like that um and I'm just gonna essentially put it into into the house instead um I think in the top left of those plans it gives you kind of a rundown of what's
existing there square footage wise i think the house was 1340 1330 something square foot there's 512 square feet of paved area anotherund change of sheds and that's all within the 200 foot zone there's one
shed that's out but I didn't count that and that's what I'm proposing to get rid of clean it up and great idea to just build one nice nice house and then shift that driveway just a little bit over to the left to kind of come right in front of the garage instead of coming way back well you're shifting the driveway further away from the wetlands from what
it was before exactly y So it's uh you know you're doing every you know you're limited because of that property line up in the back there so you're doing everything right yep yep you get rid of that get rid of that other stuff so the 200 foot area riverfront area is right here i believe that's the one the
200 is is this far out line right here so almost everything is within that 200 foot that's the farthest out dash mark on the on the right here goes through that paved area okay um the 100 foot marker is right here right goes through
the um the corner of the should be right there right that's your 100 foot yeah and then this one's your 200 foot which is basically off the almost off the property go yeah that 200 foot is just This is This is just like I say it's an existing It's an upgrade it's an upgrade
to an existing structure basically uh so if you could speak to the work within the 200 yeah sure um erosion those activities yeah yeah yeah sure um
so yeah you're going to do all your you'll be doing all your work basically right outside of the 100 right outside the 100 yeah so he'll be doing all his work right outside the 100 yeah the only thing that has will be is about 5t of that shed yeah there's about five feet of that shed that falls within the 100
yeah i'm familiar with the site yeah and then everything else between 100 and 200 yeah um as far as the ro control I'm going like everything you see in green will become grass stabilized um and graded off you going to put a little we
proposing some silk pencil line right along here i believe we can happy to put a silt line right there there's one currently down here that the the installer supplied um more than happy to put one matter no I I think I don't
think it would hurt you know up a little bit higher on that go right across here yep right across that 100 yeah and that's pretty level out there anyway so you'll catch it before it starts to run downhill what do you think some waddles right along that waddles would probably be fine because
it's flat anyway they'll lay right now i like to go clockwise well I'm not familiar with the site i did look at the pictures i wasn't here obviously then uh but everything you have said rings true
to me so I don't really have any it's kind of and it's the land is prominent to the surroundings so it's not like there's stuff coming off the the hill um but you know stuff happens material
yeah there is a slight pitch to it and then it levels it's rolling it's it's rolling to the road too yes you know it's it's coming to the road so I In my opinion if you've run right along this 100 foot line still gives you a little bit of work still give you some
you know area going to give you area to get you still be able to get a mixer around yep and uh you know you'll be able to bring a mixer around the backside's all high and dry yep pump it like concrete Yeah you you'll get you'll get around to it just fine this hasn't
been seated anyway it has not been seated yet so and that's so the existing silk vents that say it is covering the exar and it's been working fine for a year or whatever long that system's been in there all right so it's just a little added extra protection running that so it' be great to get that it won't we
won't stop you but it'd be great to get that area seated right off the bat sure well come your turn well I agree i mean it is mostly flat and stuff so you know I there's the 100 foot line right here i think the silk
fence would do just fine yeah this is already in the silk fence is all in here what we're considering asking him to do would be to take this line no put put a put some waddles right across hay bail or waddles something just to protect
that this is his work area yep it still gives it just enough room to get around here and everything is good and uh it'll clean up good okay so the house is gone now the house is still standing but you said the the land
was cleared to put in the septic system i believe I'm not sure exactly where the old septic system resided i think it might have been a little bit farther or closer to the wetland to be honest with you i think it was down yeah just cuz I I believe the existing well met the 100 foot but the new system came into the
100 foot marker for that well they brought it up the hill did the work originally they they backed into it where they were they did the subject before they demoed the house or did really did anything else um but then the gentleman that had it decided to sell it
because it was going to be See it could have been upfitted the house could have been redone remodeled upfitted but it still would have needed a new septic and a new well right so uh okay so one of our not my company but
one one of my family companies I should say did the septic area the old septic system was down in here and uh so they put an exepic system in and all the film grading so that whether he remodeled the
old house all he would have had to do at the time is just tie the plumbing into the house we couldn't or they my whoever did it my son I guess didn't tie the plumbing into the existing home because at that point he wasn't sure what he was going to do right whether he was going to try to raise the house and put a new
house there or do it so that's why the pipe is just outside the existing house by like 5 ft and he had Jack came along jack's decided that it he wants to put in a newer a brand new house so he's uh
proposing to put the new house in and take remove the old house which he can sit right here with his excavator and take all the old house out be outside the 100 ft and have the dumpsters come out up here in this upper driveway or
whatever and no issues and then uh you know excavate for a new site and have all the work outside of 100 ft yeah it's a great great improvement yeah except for like 5 ft of an old shed
well the shed's being moved anyway yeah you see the little shed in green here at the 100 foot line is like a third of the way through the shed mhm and but however the silk fence the existing silt fence that's in is below it that fell into the construction of the new septic system
one question I have is do you plan on doing underground electric i was not planning on going underground electric i'm just going to go overhead with the service okay um then you might have to move a like a tap on the pole or something like that bring it over there that's fine if you're going to run the conduit through
the 100 foot you just add it down to the pulls up the bowls up pulls up there i might have them bring it back and tap it off of a little bit farther down the hill see if I can like but it'll be overhead i won't no issues for us
yep but even that would have been outside the hungry yeah I believe all except for like Kevin's saying is removing that uh small this little shed there everything all the other work will be done outside the 100 between the 100 and 200 um were
there comments from D regarding this yeah there was did you see the comments i saw the comments um I believe they want page three of the NOI to be updated with um it has the altered areas um the original altered areas were close to
7,000 square feet with including um the septic and the house and then the I'll just update them i've actually got them updated i can give you them now but um it's only like another thousand square feet of altered and that's because they're counting count the paved
area and then moving the driveway as alterations and I will go back and seed all that so yeah they're they're altered but they're going to be grass in the end um they also came back and just wanted a bit more description on the the work I'm
doing as opposed they were giving me some can't remember what the article was but they just kind of reference it and saying you know wershed mitigation making sure you're they have five different standards for making work in the weather
um better or making sure you're not making it worse so they just wanted a more updated um literature on the work I'm doing then CMR 310 did your your father do that already yeah my uh my dad's been working on it
with me and then my brother's also a civil engineer so he's been you know Well I knew it was in your family so the civil engineer civil engineer and the violent part's not going to be a problem for Yeah exactly um is there anything to incorporate into the order of conditions
the amended order conditions besides the um disturbed areas uh it's the altered value areas it's that I meant the total square footage of altered
yep so other than that that there's nothing else that needs to be incorporated so those those three things the map was one of them and the narrative they talking about which you've got you got the map done y narrative is going to be done we're working on that now and then new altered areas
and you'll have that you'll have that you'll have that done before you and uh you'll have that done that'll be pretty soon yeah I'll probably have it done tonight and then just Would you like to review you guys like to review the narrative before I send it to D we really should review before we close
this out yeah you allow me to do some there that's fine but we really should wait to have that narrative before we modify this that's fine so I make a motion that we um
continue this to the next meeting on March 26 because we should have it done y second second second wait it So before we do it does anyone else have any questions or requests one of the
things we should add to this before it's submitted before the next meeting is the addition of um waddle along the proposed driveway yeah right on the 100 line or bail or something well jumping around the shed waddles will lay flat right on there
jack quick and simple and yep um most inexpensive way to do it and then you'll have the narrative she got a bunch of a bills now i think so all right so we have motion a second uh roll or a roll call vote starting with Mike mike said yes
james Gates yes kevin Smith yes cataly Prior [Music] thanks for joining us Jack yeah thanks for having me Jack nice to see you when you move to town what kind of house are you building it's
going to be a two-story colonial with a big farmer's porch and attached garage nice should end up being a pretty nice house for you so it's picking out all the other things but inside the house is more exciting a lot of options a lot of choices yes
especially nowadays sit and hang out with us if you want so when you become a town resident you can join the conservation because boy I'll tell you what we could we could use a young lab like yourself for the experience that uh you've had not on the ocean but growing up in your father's company oh yeah yeah you're all
about it all the time yeah so I just can't wait till I get to be like your dad halfway there all right you guys have a great Thanks Jack nice to see you all right
3.2 uh 324 Main Street referral construction of new station this is the plan for this guy anything that has to do with us and roll it right back up it's uh everything here is outside the 100
outside the 200 nothing here nice i'm going to read this just because we have to uh in accordance to master law chapter 48 and the towns and zoning bylaw section 145-42 uh site plan review special permit in section
145-65 special permits and general bylaw chapter 85 NPDS base storm water management chapter 175 article five storm water regulations the planning board will hold a public hearing on Monday April 14th 2025 at
6:35 p.m in the select chambers at Memorial Hall 272 Main Street to review an application received from 324 Main Street Partners LLC the applicant is proposed proposing to renovate an existing Bin gas station and convenience
store located at 324 Main Street map 50 block 17 lot zero the project includes reconstruction of an existing building to include a convenience source second floor office space and a coffee shop with drive-through service another coffee shop the project
will also improve uh an existing pump station and therapy and provide a fueling position 24 parking spaces and a new sign location are proposed property is in the RA3 zoning district and the curve protection overlay district public
remote access information to the me meeting is PBA and will be provided on the town calendar so looking at it well I'm just trying to see where it is i don't know you know where when you go home from here go up
like you're going to go back home you're gonna see the school balding school on your right just up a little ways on the left you'll see the old gas station oh that's Oh the same owner is actually the new owner is the is the is
the guy that ran it for years uh previously well that's been that's been you know that new white house that was built just just before it on the left that says back off the road okay that's the father oh okay and that's where he started when he came to this country
started at that gas station and then they shut it down then they shut it down because of a gas oil leak or whatever it was gas leak so he went off and bought a gas station he never owned this one at the time it was
leased he went and bought a few gas stations and uh he wants to retire he had the opportunity to buy that recently so he the father wants to re retire there running that gas station so
how what are they going to do about this village it's all done it's all cleaned up it's all all remediated oh so they're just coming before the boards now to hopefully get approval to uh to uh get started pretty soon
can I say a couple of things yes sir the storm water system on that is pretty awesome and with the included infiltration basin it's pretty good so the only thing I can suggest it's nonjurisdictional right no water resource areas the only thing um um you
might suggest is a more of a planting plan planting plan i think we'll be coming in with a um a planting plan for the landscape land okay forward that's good we do have a parking
i don't have to I I I don't really have to abstain because it's not in the it's because it's not jurisdictional for our board but um uh I'm the contractor i'll be the contractor record for the job
so do we have a say in the landscape or is that planning board no it's planning planning but we're going to be doing it up nice suggest no you're opening those rabbit holes that I like so as much as I want to go
down those rabbit holes I'm we just haven't got we just haven't got to that that that point yet um but uh I can I can assure you it'll be landscaped up nice and there'll be a lot of there'll be several trees planted and
uh privacy planted as well pat do you have any thoughts no my code i know you asked well I was curious where it was and I I showed up here Summers when I met Jane in the 70s
and that was only open for a few years so it's been closed for a long time has it no no it was it was opened back up in the Yeah 1995 I believe it was this is why right now he ran Yeah but
then he ran that he ran it until it until it closed elio did the the owner kids went home through the school system while that was still open so probably 2010
i mean the motion we just issued no comment there a second i second that second call Mike mike C said yes james case yes i will yeah because I was working at the bus company when that was open
um 4.1 completion of land surveys on West Meadow and Dudley property what do you have on there i abain uh we will okay thanks it's recording just want to make Yeah no you have to
um so uh Kobe they completed ill the land survey they did yeah um they sent me files i don't have it but the survey file so I will get a hold of the boy scouts
and we can have them put placards um that was right before you came we talk to um their cong so we got a nice bunch of them nice little metal tags sure yep uh yeah and
that's part of the grant too and pay for that we have in kind services and putting up placards um part of it so if we could uh just kind of we could keep a talent of hours and people um volunteering so what I'll do is I'll be
there should actually be a file on this or documentation because I know Jessica had asked for the email and I can have maybe you can reach out to and Derek Congen the boy scout leader
or I try circle back to this later this week with you what's his name again derek Congen okay thank you um but he yeah he said this is a merit badge for those boys so I'll send I'll send you his email so I
know I have it just so you don't have to go search but I worked up the final report for that too so that the rest of the funds can get dispersed cuz I think there was a little bit of extra money left too do we need to order
blockers i don't know how many we have that's news to me so I don't know i don't know i don't remember but I know we have just a little bit of extra money are they down in the closet i mean I think we do i just don't know how many
thank you for the candy i've been sitting in the kitchen for a while since I was miss last meeting um okay so do you have anything else you want to add to that seems like I did but no
5.1 Mike when um provide us a wrap up yeah just quickly it's it's like I think I think I'll probably be going to this annual thing every year now it's just they got
over 30 workshops and uh presentations to choose from um I did a fundamental all morning we went over mapping contours slopes um
basically I realized that I knew a few things here and there but mostly there were a lot of gaps and this helped fill in a a lot of gaps um I didn't know about Mass Mapper that seems like an incredible
important resource tool um the one thing that um you know we went over besides the maps and the plans uh site visit procedures a lot of basic stuff but then the two c the two classes that I took were the um uh wetland replication
projects uh and if you recall last meeting I asked a question about the replication and now I know a lot more about that uh and creative solutions for improving wildlife habitat functions and so I think that in situations where people
aren't necessarily going to have lawns and manicured shrubs and all that if there are opportunities and they don't you know we could we could make suggestions about how they can um leave stone piles leave snags you know and uh
uh things like that so like I said it was uh I thought it was excellent i'd like to do it again the one thing and the reason that I asked to save this u this map is that I think that coloring really makes it a lot easier to see so
in the in the fundamentals workshop he had us and there were about 30 of us um sitting at tables of five or six gave us a map and um he went he color coded let's see the color
codes green wetland boundaries blue 100t buffer pink 50ft buffer uh orange the proposed work so everything is colorcoded and He pointed out I think the obvious but once he points it out
that some people have no problem reading a map and other people might be sitting there it's just a bunch of lines that's right uh and um so I would like it I would like to get permission to come in
um before a meeting when someone submits a plan uh to color code it so that we can make sure that we can see what we're looking at you don't need our permission to go yeah definitely okay yeah it it really helped
i mean once we did it it was like oh my god we can see things there are times that it's tough to find them some of these engineers will put so much crap on there that you don't need yeah he did point out and he was the um chair of the
conservation commission in uh somewhere in the Northshore um that you really have to be careful when you're looking at these maps check the the the legend check the title check the get you know I'm going to get a one of those triangular rulers to check the scale
because he says you'd be surprised how many times they're not accurate and you know so not that we want to be picky i think that happens a lot less now like because a lot of these are digitally drawn that's right but it does
happen it does happen trust us it does happen but it's it it I it happens at a lot less frequency today than it did 30 years ago right and part of that and when all the plans are handdrawn right
part of that though is making sure there's a revisions list on it at any rate so if I can you know just check now now I don't know i don't know
what his um is Chris just here yeah jack uh I don't know if uh the original plan that was presented was more detailed and explained it does this doesn't have a key well it's got a sort of a key but
not really um I think that's an overlay drawing that Jack did yeah off of Dillis and Royce plan that's Yeah that's what I figured that would be my my take on that yeah and and when someone brought up a situation like this and I will say that
there wasn't just rookies there at this workshop there were people who had been on commissions for quite a while uh he said something like this you don't have to be picky you know this is a pretty finite situation probably did
that he comes from a family of uh of uh septic designers and civil engineers his father's was in business many years doing that his brother does it and Jack I I actually thought Jack was involved
in it i I I had Jack uh confused with his brother jack in the merchant marines at any rate that workshop was the whole day was great and I'll do it again that's great if I can pick up little
tidbits here and there pass them along no that's great encourage it it's [Music] No thank you for going in and it will it will allow me to participate more in the
discussion rather than Mike what do you think i think I just say it like a quick or so I but so I say it like that because I don't want people to think that Oh no I forgot about you or I think these two are just
doing the talking i think that's your responsibility to do that really i don't know [Music] we like we like we like to have everybody's we like to have everybody's involved that's why you'll see me sometimes getting up and and and
actually kind of going through the plans um to show you folks i mean I've never really seen anything but this is all new that's how you learn so that's good because your third year Pat and you're getting you're
you're becoming an expert it's helpful when you do that that way if you color really good thing to do but as you know MACC has classes they have as many as you want and right online
classes and one of the nice things that um what they do I haven't got received it yet but before the fundamentals class he sent um everyone the 30 something slide PowerPoint so we could pre preview it and the other people had powerpoints
as well the other two workshops but what they do is they send everyone all of the powerpoints So even though I didn't go to you know Saul Mars restoration if I was interested in it I'm gonna get that PowerPoint and it might be interesting
you know so it's um I was imp you know I knew they existed i knew everybody thought highly respected but you have to be impressed with MACC you really do yeah
it's a great so I encourage that so do you have anything else you think that everything else what do you have anything else you want to add to your wrap
well color coding probably not let's just say that I'm hoping that the new the new knowledge that I have will allow me to be more um proactive in the discussions and make
suggestions that I wouldn't have known existed before so yeah great um items for discussion at next meeting 56 Bay there's also the one
on corner room yeah Charlie road okay what about yours upgrade am I correct Colobby i'll have to abstain from I submitted the um demolition permit today
i think that's one of the things you wanted done by then no I said we just Well I know and it wasn't it wasn't required but you suggested that we should go ahead not wait for you start the process yeah yeah
um All right so but you'll have your all what we need for the next meeting i think so okay yeah and that Shirley Road what's the other one shirley Road yeah um Old Battery Road and then 56 Bay Area Hill
and there's other stuff probably do a walk through a site visit for surely no plan so you'll have to schedule it you base it on your schedule and if you any people can make it they can make it just like how Jessica and
Autumn did it you know trying to get times out of all of us can be right and then take pictures and document it are they usually Wednesdays the day of the day of in the
past in the morning the night that that this night this room is open to meet no no sidewalks oh sidewalks so all right well our next meeting is March 26th April 9 and April 9th um oh
we also have um Mass Wildlife next meeting so it is 7:48 i make a motion to adjurnn second second oh Mike got it roll call vote please my yes james Gates yes
smith no yes yes yes i had 20 anymore