I'd like to call to order the Townsen Conservation Commission meeting for Wednesday, March uh 11, 7:02 p.m. I have a roll call vote starting this month. >> Present, >> James Boran, present,
>> James Gates, present, >> and Pat present. might be my >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Pat, I do appreciate you here putting our names on the bag. By the way, I just wanted to make note of that. >> This meeting is being recorded. Is anyone else recording?
>> She did that for you, too. >> Just wanted to make sure. >> Um, chairman's additions and or deletions. I am going to add 4.1 resignation of Patreo.
As sad as we are about it, haven't interrupted it yet. >> I'm sorry. I miss what are you adding yet? Pat's resignation to 4.1 correspondence. I know she hasn't submitted anything formal, but want to make sure she's recommended
chair report. Um, anything I have going to be covered under the agent report. Um, I'm going to assume we don't have any meeting minutes to go over because it's not listed on the agenda.
>> The dates the the agenda. I mean the the meeting minutes. We don't have any. >> We don't have anything. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we're removing that. Um, and we're not behind on minutes. Neither are >> we. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh 1.7
agent report. >> Yeah. Good evening everyone. I'm going to start off with the independent inter department referral forms. Um some of a couple of these are going
to sound familiar. They are 41 Brooklyn Road which we're going over tonight. It's a subject replacement. That's RDA required or permit required. uh lot 5B Northbend Road that's on the agenda for tonight as
well. It's house construction and NOI is required. Um, next IDRF is 160 North End Road, which is a cabin with a septic system um with partially within a wetland buffer. And that's the NOI
required. >> And that's 160 what again? >> 160 North Road. >> We did sidewalk at what number? >> Five. which is also 19 >> 198 North End Road, right?
>> Yes. >> What was that cabin? That's um >> Kevin and >> Oh, >> that'll that'll come up in >> I mean nothing has been applied for yet, but it it will uh 23 Highland Street was
a septic replacement there with no wetlands involved. Um, and that I have two other things to cover up there. There's a uh Oh, you know what? Uh, first I'll go over the update for the preliminary DM
removal design services for Adams. Um, on March 22nd, tenatively the uh engineer group from Gomez and Sullivan will be uh there taking some measurements. They're going to do some core samples. Uh the scope of what
they're looking at doing uh as far as uh collecting data is uh their field surveys for topographical and bometric surveys uh sediment probing uh and sampling hydraologic and hydraulic analysis uh preparation of preliminary
design plans and cost estimates. Um >> Kobe I didn't I don't know if you accept but who's taking lead this isn't fish and game is this >> yeah so it's a conglomerate a group but it's the agency that's involved is the
deer was a division of ecological restoration that's the branches >> all right so it's going to be acquired to the deer to the fishing game to be >> so there's a lot of partners
involved but certainly deer is the ones that are organizing it >> the lead. >> Yeah. So partners include the the engineer group uh department fishing game couple entities in town town including ourselves cemetering parks.
Um I'm sure I'm missing a couple but uh oh yeah greenways uh has joined as a partner too because they are involved with the trestle there you have
>> oh as well as the highway department so >> oh all right I guess my reference is I'd rather keep in my mind who's who's taking lead on that so that I understand one >> the de is taking lead on that
Sandra Lord just asked me to tell you that she ran bit late. Okay, she'll be right up. Okay, thank you. >> Yeah, >> she's late. >> I met her in the basement. >> Okay, there is something for you guys to look at. There's a
Where's the random folder of stuff? Thank you. He knew I was going to ask. Um there Jim Smith came to me. He's the supervisor for Highway Department. Um he
was uh he was informing me that they're going to be doing some work on Route 13. Um sideway work from the Brook that goes over well, take a look here. Um from near to Cross Street going up to the
police department. So what's involved is that uh doing work near that brook and we have to direct them decide which permit to is appropriate for them to file. Is this something that's come up before
where department has worked? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um it should just be an RD RDA because it's existing, right? >> Yeah. >> Oh, it's a it's tearing up existing replacing. >> Yep. So there's another section that
comes down further with that. >> Is it going to be a new section or redoing that? Because that changes it. That's all. >> There's no work being done on the bridge with this plan. It's just the sidewalk uh going north on route 13 up to the
police department >> to the school press. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Gotcha. Good enough. >> Yeah. Anything else is on the agenda? That'll keep us going for >> Sandra announcing.
>> Oh, sure. Um, Sandra Lord 611. >> No, it's 711. >> Oh, I'm sorry. 711. I don't know what I was thinking of there. >> I think >> Does anyone know how to turn these chairs lower? I know they did
>> buttons right there. >> Oh, okay. >> Not sure. >> You want me to double check? >> No. >> Making sure. >> We have a meeting house. >> The what?
>> Yep. house part and we're good for something. >> Can I add something in that I forgot? Um, >> it'll come back to you. >> I have a question. Yeah. >> Is my like report from the um community
preservation committee not included under anything tonight or it's not listed? >> Um wasn't included on anything? >> Okay. I didn't think so. I just want to double check >> maybe next next meeting. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Because we have to make sure it's on the agenda.
>> Okay. Um >> I didn't I didn't remember reading it but I >> can you add a community preservation update >> for next agenda? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Under working session. We probably should do one for CR.
>> Yeah, I'll do that one as well. >> You want to uh actually block off on the agenda? >> Okay, >> cuz otherwise we're going to forget. >> Yeah. So I have another meeting I think on Wednesday March sheet. >> What is it for? Community.
>> All right. Are we good? I want to keep this movie or this this meeting going. Uh >> I'm sorry. I've not >> um 2.1 uh lot 5B which is number 198 North End
Road. Map partial ID 38-14-0 notice of intent number uh 308-0727 TWWB 2026-002 approximately 7:15 p.m. Captain
Chaplain. Uh purposes of projects for construction of the uh new single family house system, driveway, well, and related grading. Part of the construction will take place within 100 ft of bordering
vegetated wetlands. I'd like to make a motion to open the hearing. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second. Roll call vote starting with Mike. >> Mike pot. Yes. >> James Doryan. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes.
>> General. Yes. S. Yes. Pursuant to mass WPA, uh, towns of wetlands bylaw, towns of Hong Kong will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, March 11th, uh, 2026 at approximately 7:15 p.m. The hearing will be held
virtually via Zoom um, and in person at town hall on a notice of intent filed with Hong Kong by ten chaplain as TWWB uh, 2026-002. The property is located at lot 5B aka
198 North End Road map partial ID 38140. The proposed project is for construction of a new single family house septic system driveway well and related grading. Um, part of the construction will take
place within 100 uh feet of bordering uh vegetated wetland. Parties wishing to speak in support of or in opposition to this application may do so at the meeting or in writing prior to the meeting. Copies of this application are available for review at
town hall during business hours. We did have something in writing. >> Yes, put it in there. >> I didn't look. What was this? >> Is that what it was on the butter concern?
>> Uh, I'm just going to read it into record. >> Okay. >> Um, it's breaking to do it >> if you want. >> If you don't mind.
Okay, this is written from >> a lot 5B North End Road. Um, I am writing as an ab to the proposed project at lot 5B North End Road. I fully respect my neighbor's right to develop an apartment
and have no objection to the project in principle. However, I do have concerns regarding potential impacts on my property and would appreciate the commission's help in understanding them. As a homeowner without technical expertise in hydraology, solar science or wetlands regulation and seeking
guidance on how this project may affect the protective interest of the maps wetland protection act chapter 131 subsection 40 specifically protection of private water supply and storm damage prevention. My property currently
experiences significant surface water runoff originating from the applicant's lot. In addition, my primary source of drinking water is a shallow well located approximately 35 ft from the property line. I respectfully request that the commission consider the following.
One impact on private water supply being a shallow lake proximity to proposed development plan that alterations to wetland or adjacent upland areas could affect groundwater recharge or quality. I ask that the commission require the applicant to
demonstrate that no contamination or depletion of the local water table would result from the project to storm water management and run off runoff from the subject property already on any increase in imperous areas such
as driveways or change in grade may further aggravate flooding or erosion. I request that the commission's peer review engineer confirm that post development peak runoff rates will not exceed pre-development levels consistent
with the master storm water management standards. Three request for peer review given technical nature of drainage and grading changes. I respectfully request that the commission engage in independent
peerreview consultant pursuant to MGL chapter 4453G to evaluate the project's potential impact on abunding private wells in Minnesota. I appreciate the commission's time and attendance to these concerns and thank you for the opportunity to participate
in public hearing process Charles W. >> What's this address? 224 on the top corner. >> Um, do you have a mailing confirmation? >> Yes, that that had been emailed to Kobe
and my copy. >> Kobe, we don't even do the green cards anymore. Everything's been moved digitally, right? Everything? >> No. Or as far as No, it's um it comes on one form now. It's a certificate of mailing
>> correct. Yes. >> And stays in your or should be in the folder >> car. >> Yep. That that was um >> Jack emailed that to you, Colobby. Um when he sent you the um the plan and a
couple of other pieces of information. >> Okay. Oh, no. Wait, that Jack emailed um >> only because it falls on the clerk ballsome. But yes, it it was um uh they
are on on the butter's list and uh were were emailed or not emailed. They they were they were mailed >> and they were received. >> It was mailed. Okay. So, do we have a copy? We have
confirmation that these were received cuz I don't want to get jammed up. That's what it comes down to. And then Frank from Dylan can start while he looks. >> Yeah.
I'm also checking Just bear with me one second. Okay. Um, thank you. Uh, once again, my name is Frank McFarland from Dillison Roy. Um here representing Mass DP file number 308-0727
lot 5B North End Road on towns in Mass which is um site is located just north of 198 North End Road on a new newly created ANR lot which was f um endorsed by the towns and planning board and
filed as plan 52 of 2026. Um here on behalf of the applicant Ken Chaplan, uh the proposed project is the construction of a new single family house with septic system, driveway, well, and associated site grading. Uh
there is a proposed gravel drive driveway that will follow existing um gravel access from nor north end road. Um the site is located uh just north of 198 North End Road. Uh we checked off
that it is within the Swanatissit ac um like uh most of towns in north of Route 119. Um there's no um the ACC has no no restrictions on single family houses. Um
it is also we check the box that it's in the nicotis outstanding resource water area um on mass mapper. So it it it's within the polygon. However, um what mass mapper and mass GIS notes is that
areas delineated within that pol polygon are not themselves outstanding resource uh water bodies and only certain waters within those um OWS within those polygons is designated as OW. So the
work um for this uh project there's a um mass GIS shows a D hy hydraologic hydro yeah yeah hydraologic connection about 300 ft west of north end road so kind of
way down um way down here on on the plan >> going down north end >> uh it's it's west >> KBY >> okay >> west of north end road >> I don't know if it's Harley, can Colby have screen sharing, please? >> Yeah, he's down there. >> It's Harley.
>> Yeah. >> Um the the work itself stops about 160 ft from North End Road. So there sorry 140 ft from North End Road. So there's still another 160 ft before you get to what D is showing as a hydraologic
connection. They're not showing any perennial streams. They're not showing any in intermittent streams in anywhere near the the project. So this is just uphill of an outstanding resource water body and again it's a single family house. There are no restrictions
on single family houses within the outstanding resource water body polygon. Um as the applica as the um meeting no notice said >> uh there's work occurring within the 100 foot buffer zone of bordering vegetated
wetlands on on the property. Um there is no work proposed within the 30ft no disturbing zone. Uh erosion controls are proposed along a portion of the no disturb zone um in orange here on this
plan following the 35 ft no disturb zone and then we move away from it and primarily stay outside of the 50ft buffer. >> And it's in orange. >> What? It's color coded. >> Color coded. >> Well,
>> um we are proposing >> stuff to pick up art here soon. >> Yep. Uh we are proposing about uh 677 square ft of gravel driveway within the 50ft buffer zone. Uh that is uh the kind of the northernmost
uh bit of work for for the project. >> So that's an increase of how many feet of non-peries? So that is in that is 677 square feet of gravel driveway. Not not paved, >> right? Non-perious. >> No, no, no. It's pvious. Gravel's
purpose. >> I mean, all right. So, it's not going to be tred. In other words, you're going to maintain the original gravel. >> They're going to maintain >> maintain gravel access. >> I just I flipped my words for a second. I don't understand. Uh the applicant has
no intent of paving the driveway. >> Okay. >> Um >> okay. >> In this >> uh the house, the proposed well and the proposed septic tank and then associated site grading are all within the 15 to 100 foot bucket.
>> No, I know. So, >> uh the septic system itself is outside of uh jurisdictional areas for the commission that that that would that's located completely outside of the um 100 buffer.
>> Uh mass D had no comments on the project. Um the project is not subject to a towns in storm water permit. We're disturbing less than an acre for a single family house. 40,000 ft. 40. Oh, builder's acre. >> Yeah, exactly. >> All right.
>> Yep. >> Which is 40,000. >> Builder's acre is 40,000. I said one. Yeah. One acre, which is if you don't specify is 42,000. And then see, uh, we're not subject to mass D stormwater standards as a single family house. I do
know the project has been before the board of health and I believe we have that permit in hand. Um we meet as you know kind of stepping back big picture on the way this was laid out. Uh we meet all required
setbacks from um any abuing wells any proposed wells for for the septic system. It meets all required setbacks for prop property lines. So, um, you know, kind of by default, uh, by meeting
those and any of those set setbacks, we've met the state requirements for impacts to abiding lots with the septic system. Um the proposed house itself is um uh located kind of on the north uh
northeasterly of of the seic system closer to the wetlands. Yes. But um most of the grading around the house will will be directing runoff back that way. Um >> behind the house. >> Back to behind the house. Yes. Please.
Um, >> no, I'll share. >> So, there is uh there is kind of a uh topographical ridge running along um parallel to North End Road along the
frontage. So, most of the Oh, no, wait. I'm I'm looking at it backwards. That is a bit of a swale. Yes. >> Yeah. Um but uh by the sighting of of the septic system and then the way that's pitched that will will be
pitching water kind of more northerly away from nor north end road. >> Is this being a higher ridge? >> So it's all sloped away. >> Yeah. Yep. Yeah.
>> Did you say that eventually this slopes up? >> No. >> No. >> No. No. >> Misunderstood. >> Downhill wetlands. Yes. >> Um >> this existing well radius that you have marked out on the plan. That's the neighbor's well and that's the Doug well
that he's referencing. >> Uh I am not sure. So that um that I think is the well back would be this. >> It would be on the other side. No. The propertyy's odd. >> So, um, that that that would be across the street on the other side. That
that's not on the the >> Charles that residence is on the other side of North End. >> No, it's on the same It's I thought it was 221. Is it? >> So, we're looking at the new house >> and that would be to the right where the where the
>> where the cut is, where the where the water flow is >> on the on the other side of the stream >> where you guys walked over to >> 22 22 224. Correct. Uh 22 224 would be um north of this house. It looks like it would it would be the last property
before New >> Hampshire on the other side of the wetlands. >> This is the new house one. >> Yeah. >> And his well to his house is to the other side to the north. >> Complete separation where that water flow is. And that is a perennial. What?
No, it's a non-named >> non um unnamed. It's it's and there is a consider hydraulic connection. Um but there are no perennial streams, no intermittent streams. We just have bordering vegetative wetlands here. >> All right. So, but it does have a culpit
with water coming from across the street. >> Um >> yes. >> Yes. >> But that that's of no impact to >> Okay. >> It is a stream whether it's designated
one or not. It is lower case. >> Yes. >> So in other words, we're not declaring it as a drainage ditch. It has to be viewed as a flow an area of potential intermittent on and off water
flow because there is a cover there and it is consistent and it does have enough flow to justify such. So I'm just I'm done. So >> considered mitten stream. >> Doesn't it have to have some degree of as an intermittent.
>> No, just it dries up. It will dry up. >> Correct. I mean, >> well, it's flowing pretty well the other day, but you know, but the snow correct. Yeah. >> But during times of of non drought. >> Mhm. >> And no water flow was observed for what,
three or five consecutive days. Um, you know, it's that's the easiest way to determine that, >> right? Well, I can totally believe that based on the amount of water that was going in and >> well, no, it there was one that was
changed up on Barker Hill that >> um you know to intermittent because of that. So, I'm not I don't think I'm can go both ways. But, um but >> what my question and point being is that
we want to address the concerns that he has as the abundant >> Well, hold on. There's only so the the private water supply. Yes. The the storm water we can't touch. >> Correct. I'm referring back to the separation of that drainage ditch in
between his house the abutters and his concerns with his his water and whatnot. I don't see the impact of it if him putting a well in with that separation or runoff to it.
I'm I'm good. So, uh, from experience, your experience and not mine obviously, um, how much how how often does the groundwater hydrarology change the the flows and
>> change it that much? I mean, it's going to be a foundation there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. And you have a foundation in an area that, you know, it's just one thing. It's not like you're doing something continuous, >> right, >> that where you could essentially >> Well, I guess the other way of asking the question, in your opinion, do you
see there's any chance that it's going to change the groundwater flow? >> Uh, you got to run that foundation drain out somewhere, >> right? The the the foundation will have a drain go downhill away from the prop
the property. So, and any water intercepted by a foundation drain will find its way back to where it was going. >> Um, it you have to measure it and in order to do measuring, you know, to measure the groundwater movement, you
have to um observation wells, >> right? >> That's not something you see. >> That's a significant impact. >> Yeah. >> Beyond beyond well beyond the scope of the single family. Um >> my question was basically to understand
is it going to potentially affect anything to the abutters with their will in their water you know storm water management or I'm not I'm okay private water supply and that worries me that's all it should be something anybody that
is next door to somebody concerns themselves about losing water that's that's some you you know, just >> wanted to ask the question to have it addressed. So, it's discussed >> elevation change. You know, this top the septic is >> what, six feet higher than what's there
currently? Correct. >> Um, you know, so any water that comes down off that hill is going to just be shed around everything. >> Kobe, do you have any input for that? >> Okay. Turn around cuz I heard you heard you make a little noise.
>> What? totally going to work. >> Could you have some What is your input upon what Jimmy just said? >> Repeat quickly then >> about affecting the water, the neighbor's water. >> I don't really for the board of health.
>> That's why I just looked to you and said no of it. Um, your your role is to um assess whether or not any weapon protection acts um regulations are uh not being followed.
The board of health has the responsibility to determine if you know it's going to affect the neighbors well water or >> water source. What about the intermittent stream?
>> The intermittent stream away from that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So it does not uh I checked it on stream stats which um is available anyone who wants to look it up but uh it doesn't uh meet the
um the requirements to consider a perennial stream because it has less than a square mile of area of watershed. Um and it also does not have it. So that's one. If it if it if it has
a square mile of watershed area, has to be considered a perennial stream, even if it dries up. >> Okay. >> If it doesn't, there's another um threshold that it can be of half an acre
of watershed with a 01. Uh I always get this message, >> but J said, we're beyond that. So we we understand where we stand in that. It doesn't even it doesn't have a half mile of water. >> I just I just want to double check
>> just knowing the the area um of it. I I'm know that it dries up in the in the summertime as well. Even though there are established banks there, but um with
some undercutting and a gravel bottom, it's still dry. Um so we don't have a a stockpile location or proposed stockpile location on this plan.
No stockation prior. >> I'm checking my my notes now to see if that's called out to the outside of the buffer. Um >> uh so sedimentation note six. >> Yeah. No, we like it on the plan. >> Soil stockpile shall be stabilized to prevent erosion. No materials subject to
erosion shall be stockpiled overnight within 100 ft of wetland unless covered. >> Right. But our our regulations, our claim um requirements, it's just >> request the location so that everyone's on the same page of where the file's
going to be. >> Um >> so that needs to get located on the plan. Um the foundation drain should also be >> yes >> located um
and I I feel that if you remember >> and direction >> but yeah >> it'll demonstrate direction. You remember the wetlands or the >> things that we put >> Mhm. >> on uh the last one of the last building ones building lots that we did on
Shirley Road. >> Yeah. 33. >> I don't know. >> Um >> yeah, >> and Colby can show you what they look like. Actually, I think I remember might have been Chris that did um amended a
plan with them, but it's just a a 35 foot um sign little sign that says um you know 35 >> or wetland >> blah blah blah and we'd like the >> We've been trying to
>> We just bought a bunch of those placards, didn't we, Kobe? Or did we have >> Yeah. So, we have them. We will provide them. provide them. Do they go on is it like a wooden post or >> just a tree with aluminum nail and you know don't pound it in all the way but
>> um if there's so there's not much vegetation out here from what I saw >> as far as the um street view that is kind of an open grass area. Yeah. So that was my next question is what's there right now and there's a limit of clearing should be
>> right. There's no real clearing the limit of work itself will be the the erosion control barrier which is shown on the plants. >> What >> I think I think there from what I saw there was one tree up by where the
reserve trench label is but that's well outside your jurisdiction. Um so >> there there's no there's no tree line or clearing line for this. So I do feel that open >> based on proximity of the wetland and
just the elevation changes for the everything um it should be more than just raw waddle and uh also include uh silt fence but I'd like for that to discuss with the commissioners
and we start with >> just go around the table. So it would be straw bales. >> No, no. Uh so instead of swaddles, it would be soap and straw. Yeah. Yeah. No, I I agree. I mean, and that would help to
alleviate the concerns, I hope, of the neighbors, even if it's a legitimate concern or not. So I think that's reasonable. Jimmy, your thoughts? >> Anytime we talk about upgrading anything on silt or water and erosion control,
I'll always go with I'll always go with putting some silt up with the straw walls counter sunk floor to sinks >> installed correctly. Yes, >> I was trying to use that word. >> What are your thoughts?
>> Well, it's something that we seem to always do and I should continue to do. um just to make everyone feel comfortable in the work that's being done whether it's your neighbor or whoever. So
I think we should continue >> sounds like it's a reasonable thing to do. Haven't been here but touching on a little bit more each time. Two things. >> One, one,
>> while you're modifying this, maybe you could put these colorcoded lines in the in the legend as well. >> Oh, we were I We'll see that. Don't worry about We won't >> Well, is it right now?
>> We're going to put the silver. >> Yeah, it Well, that was done um this was done for me and handed to me. Oh, okay. >> So, so I I didn't I I didn't get to put that um that same >> exhibit legend added to the >> And the other question which may be
relevant, maybe not, is okay, it's it's proposed that it'll be sort of permanent uh gravel driveway. If the owner eventually decides to pave it, would the owner have to come in front of us? Because it's
>> I would I I would say yes because and any work that you do within a jurisdictional a zone within the jurisdiction of the conservation commission, you're supposed to come forward and >> that would and well >> come from. So far in to add to Mike's
comment, um right now it's considered, you know, a pvious surface. When you transition to that impervious, there has to be something that catches the water. >> Um you know, one of the another thing is on the back side of the house, um some
sort of drip edge, um you know, to catch that water and to get it to recharge into the ground. Um, >> so is this one of those things where you can make is it going to be made like a condition of don't pave it ever or just
they would have to come back before the board at >> in normal process? >> The project's per the proposed project um is you know would be a gravel driveway. So if at a later date they
wanted to either amend >> the orders of conditions and request that. >> Okay. >> Um question are they going to know that or is that going to be in some of the paperwork that they're going to receive? That's >> it would might be help helpful to have
that as a condition. >> Yeah. Special order. >> Put it in on a special order. >> Would it have to be a special order conditions? Yes, >> it would just be one in the special section. >> It travels through >> to the next owner and the owner is aware
of hopefully they read it. Yes, >> we've seen that >> owners that oh no, I couldn't >> that doesn't trouble the owner because once the per the permit's closed out, >> it will >> it doesn't show up. >> It doesn't there's still maintain on the
documents, >> but you have to go look. >> So, it's it's it's attached to the deed. the the order condition is is attached to the >> Yeah, but until it's until it's closed. >> I think it's still needed. >> I think it's I I agree. I think it is
attached because we've gone we've gone this campic before about things >> following >> the building permit on the date, order conditions, etc. both you had to >> and your valid point um
>> if so if if a future home homeowner does something pro properly >> right >> they will be here >> they will be before you if they want to pave pave this or make any changes >> so it'll be in their their ownership documentation somewhere that
>> if I I don't I think we're getting squirly here I I don't >> then just let it let it go with this homeowner it's not going to be uh as it stands then I mean simple as that. >> Correct. >> Um what so we can talk or go around
again but Mike I know you tear apart plans more than I do. Uh do you see anything else missing that needs to be included? >> I don't. >> You missed the stock pile. >> What's that? >> You missed the stock pile on the mask.
>> I'm good. Um, >> we were almost nitpicking. >> No, you know, you're up from a wetland, but it, you know, you're in an existing field,
so it's um yeah um and you know, we read the letter into record. I some the majority of the
letter re refers to storm water stuff that is not our jurisdiction. Um and all the requirements in that for um you know setbacks so can't really
hold anyone back. Do you have anything you want to ask or add or >> I'm okay with that. I'm sorry. >> It's okay. Do >> you have questions, thoughts? >> My thought is going I'm sorry. I don't mean to go back to this, but
>> no. >> As as a condition, maybe I still would like to have it stated that to not hard is that is that the >> Well, we're not through the ownership of this house at this point in time, it can't be >> Well, no. Unless
>> it will be implemented to some degree into the documentation, >> right? >> No. Yes. that that but >> you both on the same page, >> correct? >> Okay, we're just saying it in different ways, I guess. >> Maybe, but I'm going to motion to continue this. >> Was it the plan is complete?
>> Incomplete. >> That was going that was going to be my my question is were these conditions of approval or were these items that where I should be requesting continuence from the commission so that I I can make these revisions?
I mean, I'm I'm okay with what I I >> I think we need to just continue until the next meeting so that these items can be added and >> then they're on the plan. Then we can see where you're planning on putting the stock pile >> cuz you're going to strip lo off this. There's going to be a significant amount of >> lo.
>> Um, you know, in your Yeah. Just >> Yeah. Other than that, I don't >> So, we have what three three or four things to >> Yeah. So, um my my list that I have is a
stockpile location >> um >> on the plans. >> Found Yeah. shown shown graphically. >> Yep. >> Um a foundation drain um indicated on the plan. Uh wetland placard >> do the placard.
>> Well, yeah, cuz it's it's all >> it's all fields or meadow. Then we can go back to the usual 4x4 >> 4x4 PT post. That's simple enough. >> I've done with other clients in other
towns. We've done boulders. I don't know if they're going to be boulders on site here. >> Um, well, would some kind of delineation be sufficient or do you think it needs to be the placard? I'm I'm okay with the
delineation, >> but now's the time to discuss it. H how >> it's up to other I'm not I'm comfortable if the a placard doesn't go up. I'm not seeing putting one of the plackets on a on a rock, it'll disappear. If you're not going to get it to a tree, it's
going to disappear. So, I'm That's my quick comments. I don't want to get um jammed up on this. I mean, if we want to, it's easier to put a 4x4 post, put one of the plackets in. >> I think that's a better way to do it
because the, you know, if you do it, >> so the the S fence is right against the 35T buffer on the um the side of the driveway, the north side of the driveway. So, you're looking, >> but then you you know, you get into the area that's not being disturbed that
they should be included in. Um >> if we get one and two in >> and then three but then but see how it follows it >> going into a field area. This is over to the wood edge and the >> I'll propose it with as kind of as
straight lines as I can. We're not gonna, but because the ease are radi, I'm not going to hit every point. >> Yeah, >> but I'll we'll um >> I'll compose something and and if if anything different comes back from my client, I'll reach out cold call of time
before my plans go in. >> So, I don't know. I think we booked it up one day. What every 200 feet or something? I've done this a half dozen ways and we'll we'll we'll come up with something and then >> we get one or two of them in and a poll
so it's mine or two no there's I I can see >> I just I I can I'm not going to commit to a number tonight but I it'll be more than two or three. >> So another question to this that probably should just be discussed is
does your client expect to do maintenance? does it's an existing fields, you know, does he plan on >> doing maintenance out there throughout the year? And if he does, >> what's that going to look like? >> Are you act is that is in an act of
hayfield? In other words, >> I don't know. You look You went to the sidewalk, Mike. >> I don't know. >> Went to it. >> There was a foot of snow there still. Probably >> it was starting to melt. Yeah. I will I I will find out from from my client what
if what if anything is going else will be going on on the property because this is this is a lot that was carved off of his private property being sold because the piece of property next door that's up for sale. Um I do not see it as an
active um >> hey operation. I don't I'm trying to remember >> thinking hey I was just thinking someone might want >> who's going to brush hog it keep it clean keep it opened up so it doesn't go toow >> or we don't want to see it get turned into
turf grass >> I don't think we have that control over that indecision do we >> yeah it's within the 35 buffer it does >> or even 100 >> within the buffers >> I'm talking the outside of where they're going to be working >> if that's just going to be I assume
that's going to Yeah. So, so I >> that's homeowner maintenance. >> I So, I should delineate on this next revised plan because I'm I'm coming back with a revised plan. Yeah. >> Anyway, >> limit of um >> Okay. li limit of seating and I'll
provide a del delineation between kind of a turf grass and and if there's any plan to like whether a conservation or something else we'll >> in the 35 foot no disturb let's maintain that 35t no worry about
>> just homeowner >> are they one of the things that people do is they like maintain their property that's not going to just become woodwinds overight night. It's like, >> are they going to brush hog it once, you know, brush hog it
>> and if they are, we probably should, you know, say discuss it. You know, >> it would be wrong within your jurisdiction that should be discussed and part of part part of a permit. >> Can I ask how when we went down to the stream,
>> how I don't want to overthink it either, >> right? How wide was the the buffer of trees? That was I always say easily 35 ft. >> Okay. Thank you. That's what I one of the things I asked Pat, you raising hand.
>> I did this. I wondered why if we're discussing this person's property, why isn't they here to answer questions? >> They hired him because they hired me to did. Um >> I know, but you don't have the answers to all the things. You don't know what
he's going to really do. That's why we're >> bring I didn't think to ask at at the time and more importantly it's it's what is the future property owner here going to >> be be allowed to do
>> predict it's not it's not what the applicant can can chap >> within the jurisdictional areas beyond what's on the plan. It's so I'm I I have an idea for for providing a nice clean delineation >> and we don't want to over complicated
but we don't need to get you know phone calls saying so and so is mowing this area that's 35 ft from the water. >> I' I've been here in front of the commission on other properties where that's been the case and there there's
been mowing >> right up to the buffer zone and and we I don't want >> it's existing. You did that with Cory Patterson. I didn't want to say anything. >> Whatever. I know. Yeah. >> I was trying to say, >> but but yeah. Yeah. So, um I will
>> right. >> I'm revising the plan anyway. We'll we'll we'll we'll propose. >> So, you'll be something accordingly. >> And we've also had other experiences where people have cleared way too much >> and you're like, "What did you do? Why did you do that?" Uh I have had a client
tell me that I thought I was supposed to stop at the blue flags. >> Ah that's a good one. >> And and then I said to him >> why is this blue flag 20 ft? You know the stumps keep Yeah. So any I don't want to get too far into that. >> Blue flags.
>> So >> that's good to >> So we're saying we don't want them to roll right up to >> Yeah. So can't without cutting down trees and there that that answer. >> So I will I will have a limit of work,
limited disturbance, limit of um um kind of a limit of improvement on the plan discussed with with the >> the client. So >> So with that said, I make a motion to continue this hearing for the PV file
number 308-0727. um TWWB 2026-0000X2 for uh lot 5B 198 North End Road to our March 25th, 2026 meeting. Is there a second? >> Second.
>> Roll call vote said yes. >> 27 James. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes. >> Okay. >> Should I say anything? >> Of course. Of course you can. You count >> Pat? Yes. vote. Yes.
>> Okay. He has this stuff to do. >> Thank you, Frank. >> You're welcome. Thank you. Um, >> so are we continuing at the next meeting? Is that okay? >> All the different things that Frank just listed that we >> and then that's when we can list our
special conditions. >> Okay. >> Because those are in the document, not on the plan. >> Limits of mowing, limits of clearing, blah blah blah. Um, I think Kobe did have the cars, so those are all set.
Just >> we're only 15 minutes late. >> Are we late? >> 2.2 one B drive. um map
um parcel ID 53B-216- 0 uh NOI D file number 308-0728 TWWB 2026-003 approximately 7:45 and now 758 applicant
James Pen proposes a project for a septic system replacement. Part of the construction will take place within a border fund area and 100 ft of a bordering vegetated wetland. Um, and I have a motion or I
make a motion to open the hearing at 758. Is there a second? >> A second. >> Mike said yes. >> James, yes. >> James Gates, yes. >> Yes. S All right. Thank you very very much. Oh,
I just got Yeah. And then we got to make sure our butters. Um, pursuant to the masspa and towns and wetlands bylaw, towns and compound will hold the public hearing Wednesday, March 11th, 2026 at approximately 7:45 p.m. The hearing
will be held uh via Zoom and in person town hall on a notice of intent filed with Concom by James Parson as TWWB 2026-00003. The property is located at one false drive, map parcel ID 53B-216-0.
The proposed project is for the construction of a replacement uh septic system. Part of the construction will take place within a riverfront area and 100 ft of a bordering vegetated wetlands. Parties wishing to speak in support of or in opposition to this
application may do so at the meeting or in writing prior to the meeting. Copies of the application are available for review at town hall during business hours. Kobe, do you know if the she was >> Yeah,
>> this is the one that was uh that Jack emailed you. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But yes, I will. >> Thanks for joining us again. >> All right. Thank you once again. Frankie Hartland with Dillis and Roy here on
behalf of Mass Dal 30807281 Boston Drive in Towns in Massachusetts for the applicant James Buren. Uh the proposed project is the construction of a replacement septic system uh and involves the installation of a
1500gallon septic tank, a new leeching facility size for four bedrooms and associated regrading. Um this is all this is a a septic repair project approved by the board of health. Uh
on-site jurisdictional areas include uh 50 foot and 100 foot wetland buffers along with the 35- foot wetland buffer which is not on this exhibit plan in front of you but I've provided a copy to Colby which is up on the the screen
which does have that. Um >> Frank I don't mean to inter you said the replacement of a 1500 tank >> uh replacement of a septic system. So, so right now um >> you mentioned tank I think it was mentioned as a 2500 >> 2500 correct
>> it was from a 15 to a 25 correct >> 25 and that may have been a revision from the um board of health uh but I do see see the plan say a two compartment 2500 100 tank >> the only revision on this is stone depth
>> the the original application had said 1500 >> right but in on the sidewalk we discussed it was going to be a split tag 2500 >> but you just drew and I just wanted to correct it on it. You said 1,500 we're looking at split 25
>> split split to 25 if it's changed >> and the plans are consistent with with that and the commission does have those same plans. >> Good. Sorry for the interruption. >> Nope. I I I appreciate it. Um yeah, on-site jurisdictional areas include the
35- foot no disturb, 50 foot and 100 foot wetland buffers and uh 100 foot and 200 foot repairarian zones associated with tributary A of the Witchbrook which uh flows I believe easterly which is
this direction to our back to the right of the property looking at it from Balls. Um uh the entirety of the replacement leeching facility including pipes and the overdig is located outside of the 50oot wetland buffer um and is therefore
presumed to protect the eight interests of the wetland protection act um and MGL 131 section 40 which covers the removal fill dredging or altering of land bordering waters. So, because this is a septic system that is 50 ft outside of
the buffers, um, basically by by state code, it meets the Weatherland Protection Act and satisfies, um, all all those conditions. each field from maybe possibly going under the driveway to the front of the house.
>> Correct. >> Which was far more appealing to me even if it was getting closer to the wetlands. >> So once again, I apologize for the interruption. >> U any comment is appreciated. Uh Mass D have a comment uh regarding the zone AE
flood flood zone. Um we we had shown it uh graphically uh pulled off of the FEMA maps. Um they had uh stated that it it should be shown based on elevation. Um our project had been plotted on an
assumed datim. Um so our we had an assumed datim of 22 200 feet up up at the top of the pro the property. Um it wasn't mapped to um to any state plane datim when we looked at the
>> it was a it was a um what is it? because it was part of the revisions that they just did. >> Yeah. >> So, they really all kind of haven't even gotten to us yet. They're still tricking. >> It was a guess based on their computer modeling. >> However, they're they do
>> old model. >> They they're their map mapping does provide an elevation. Um and when you adjust our assumed datam to the um state elevation datam, it's either 88 or 83. I
always get confused. Um, the flood elevation is at 268.4 and our septic repair is at 275. So, we're basically 7 ft up and above flood plane elevation. Well, well outside of Thank you. Um, so and this
blue line, the edge of this blue line here is is approximately 268.4. Um if you if you wrong here your elevations on the plans aren't 260 anything. >> No they're not. They're they're an assumed data.
>> Uh okay. Sorry. >> Yep. So um what I just uh Kobe if you could turn turn on the contours. >> Yep. Thank you. >> Cross your fingers. >> Yep. >> Now Frank, haven't all the FEMA plans changed for the flood zone? >> Yes. The maps, many of the towns were
changed in July of 2025. >> 25 last. >> Yes. Yeah, when the summer meadows was changed >> fur right further down um up here on on mat mass matt mapper
>> um you can see these car contours I know they're going to be tough but um so 276 277 existing at in the front yard where where the septic system is going and
then 276 65 4 270 and then below that pro probably 268. Wow. >> Closer and closer. >> Yep. So >> might be a little better. >> At least it's visible.
>> Yeah. So what what these show is there's a significant slope, a significant drop down to the the flood plane and we are seven or eight feet above it. You could see it sidewalk >> and and yeah and it's very well
illustrated on on sidewalk. This area here is where that um what's called the existing pool that's called out on the property. >> Yeah. >> So um I know that that comment came up from Mass DP. It's essentially a non-issue especially
for a septic replacement >> replacement. We're easily a able to demonstrate that we're well outside of the the the flood plane. >> Are they going to have to remove the fence in order to put in the septics of the leash field?
>> We asked him. He said no. I I do require I >> Yeah. He said that was going to be, you know, as good as what the separation is. and you know a waddle next to the base of the fence got done. >> So that's what was nice about having
>> So he proposed a waddle at the base of the fence. >> So we're proposing a waddle um here, >> right? We don't have it at the fence though. >> No, we we don't we don't have it at at the fence. This septic is not going to be it's not it's not going to be a mound. Right. >> Um ground ground groundwater is between
90 in and 120 in and it's a um it's a looks like a fairly granular material. >> It's all it's it's all nice sand. So they're they're going to be able to just put the system in at existing grade. there's there's going to be no need to
um you know put in a mound that were would require extensive erosion controls around it >> cuz the old set you could see where it was right here. It was all melted right out next to the driveway and that's why it just it looked the ideal place for
the septic leech system to go there. minimal wattage there. Um opposed to he had mentioned it could they could have remember when he was in discussion the leech be put underneath the driveway
the luster of the two evils were to bring it all the way out >> um in front of the pool fence. Boom boom boom contained simple one shot. >> So I'm assuming everything's going to be hauled off not stockpiled on site. Um
And then there the legend should be updated to match. >> So the the legend match is the plan th this is an exhibit plan that was um with with these colors. So this goes no
further than than this meeting. The actual um construction plans the legend matches those. >> Okay. So in other words, this is the same plan we were looking at at the site.
>> Look, Mike, anything? >> Well, yeah, Jimmy's right. I mean, the snow was clearly melted right there. So, something is going on. And um but the question I have just going back with uh the construction materials
if you build the can do can you build a leash field first and then and and put the construction materials where the proposed tank will be and then deal on deal with that later. >> I think the m the construction materials are going to be straightforward pulled
right out of there and the new materials brought right in. I mean, everything is going to be within disturbed area from the driveway all the way over to where the the leech bed is, Mike. >> So, this being >> So, that whole area will be disturbed and that'll probably be their area where
they do the removal and and >> and they're going to, like you said, the 1500 tank is going to leave, >> correct? >> The existing tank is going to leave and they put it's going to leave, >> right? Because the new one there >> because it's in the way. And this this
being a septic repair as opposed to a new construction, >> there's not going to be a massive loan pile where they're going to clear and re regrade the entire lot. This is >> very minimal. >> Thoughts?
>> No, I I think I'm on that. >> Sandra, >> um, it seems to be pretty straightforward. I'm I'm glad that I remember there was another another
case where uh we thought it went before the board of health and they thought it was approved. I was talking to me about that earlier and I'm glad to hear that the health did. >> Well, did they would tell me they they don't normally
inform us. Um Oh, but they're not had the meeting yet as far as I know. I'm not sure about this one whether this one has has any kind of approval or not >> because I would actually just because there was something else that went on recently we voted on and
>> that was the thing I wanted to ask you about. >> Yeah, we voted on and then come to find out the board of health didn't actually you know what I'm referring to. But anyways, I I I would hate to think that it be a similar situation because I don't want to vote on something that the board of health actually hasn't okayed.
I mean, isn't that how it usually works? Correct me if I'm wrong. >> We've not had to do that in the past. >> Correct. Really? So now accord you bring up a very valid thing that >> Ken West was a in my many many years here. It was the first time I've s seen
that. >> So until Okay. So I'm going to make a motion to continue this to our March 25th meeting. um you know what are your concerns with needing to continue it?
>> Is it approved by board of health? Let me let let me so I will I'm going to double check this right We had a professional tell us yes this was approved and it wasn't >> right and we voted on that and I don't feel comfortable doing the same here if it's not been approved by the board of health
>> because I'm still upset over 10 west down street and what >> hey Jack um was one balsam drive >> while he's talking let's circle back to what I just said >> in almost 20 years I've never seen that happen >> the first time I've seen her or met her
>> I'm approved at last it was approved last week. >> What about North End? >> Um, >> well, we're on the phone. >> Was was North End. >> Good point. >> That >> my point being again, don't interrupt.
>> You have faith in your engineers at the same time. >> Come in. He's trying to tell us been in front of us a lot of times and I don't question him. >> That's a little piece of how we have to be and how we have to trust people. So I I am not sure on North End. That's fine.
This this um I I've gotten um the Jack Maloney who designed this as a Title 5 guy. He he told told me that this one has been approved. >> I I know Jack. I I trust Jack. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> You know, someone on the screen tells us something. Now we have to We have to
really make sure it's >> it is what we I would be concerned about it if if we hadn't had any back and forth with the board of health >> and you'd have because there's a revision on it. >> We have had Yeah, we have had a revision from the board of health. So, this has been submitted to NOVA board of health
and towns and board of health. They've reviewed the plan. Um they they had a comment only on the stone depth and the cross-section detail which has been addressed and revised. >> So, >> so both both of you have valid points
and concerns. Mhm. So I I resend what I started. >> What I'm trying to say is I don't think we should allow ourselves to get jammed up on that situation because of that one time. >> You know, I have to say it again though. >> Yeah. I mean, I'm new to this and it really
>> means that we have to hold somebody's feet to the fire. That's why I took the time to speak to Rick Medcaf about it and etc, etc. I didn't like going into board of health and her telling me we never had a meeting Monday. You know, I happened to be there that day, which was
it bothered me. It >> first time I've ever seen it in a long time. >> I make a motion to issue a standard order of conditions for one Boston Drive. Um D number 308-0728
uh TWWB 2026-003 who second >> I don't know I think that was close you want to do recording put it back I think I got it >> okay >> so who who's taking it >> Jimmy >> Jimmy got it
>> roll call vote starting with Mike >> Mike said yes >> James throwing yes James Gates. Yes. >> Pat General. Yes. >> Sandra Lord. Yes. >> Thank you, Frank, for taking Jack and >> thanks for playing our game. >> Not that we like it. >> While we got Frank, I have a question
about the NOI application >> up on the screen. Can you just double check? Maybe I'm tired. >> Yep. >> But can you just review the um area that's being altered? Just want to make sure we didn't flip those two numbers. 14. I don't think it
was Jack that did this. >> Yeah. Um >> and what is Jack? >> Cuz I don't see 1,400 ft within >> 100 that might I will review that. >> Yeah. >> And and if I need to I'll I'll I'll issue you um updated numbers.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> You'll have it by Friday. >> Cool. >> That that isn't going to change everything. >> Close out the battle. >> Yes. So I make a motion to close out the hearing for one Boston drive
file uh 308-0728 TWWB 2026-003. Is there a second? >> Go for it. Pat. >> I'll second it. >> Mike P. Yes. >> James D. >> James Gates. Yes. >> Sandra Lord. Yes.
>> Pat Jon. Yes. out. >> I'm overexertating. >> Thank you, Frank. Um, >> I have to step out of the room for a minute. >> All right. So,
>> Oh, are you um Well, there's still four of us. And really we shouldn't start the next one. Um >> we started with we could keep that one a little >> we got we got a open hearing. So >> I know
>> uh Colobby I want to jump down to 3.2 quick. Uh meeting house park cutting plan completion and status discussed. Um is it short and sweet? >> Yes. >> Uh so they meeting house meeting house park where we are having a timber cut.
Uh they uh Craig Burch and his company finished um uh as of last week. Uh they provided us with all the the uh tally um
the trip tickets with present, but they brought to the public mill and saw logs. Yeah, it was a lot more um rod and and punky wooden than we thought. So the
numbers are vastly different than what we thought were going to come out of there. It is what it is. So >> ahead, >> but you still at the same time we all knew we couldn't tell what how extensive the stain was into the trees. He did
mention it and we it was in uncharted territory >> and to to his credit he found avenues to get rid of the logs to actually make just a tiny bit >> because I did get up there and take just a brief from the top down look and from the bottom
>> yeah what you have now is a sanitized uh stand of trees. So all in all it was beneficial. Um the number that we got returned to us is $495.90 which uh will be deposited in into um
the meeting house. >> Meaning house not in the town >> no coffers that goes to meeting house. That's their own separate account. >> Yes. >> Mike, you're smiling. We we won them. I have the sale here.
Um, I'll keep going, I guess. >> Is there anything else? So, >> well, uh, yeah. You want to go down to 3 whatever? >> 3.3. Yeah. >> 3.3. Is that the grant? >> 3.3. Natural Wild, and grant.
>> Uh, so I was able to get another grant in that was due uh two Fridays ago. Um it's a grant request of $7,500 to the National Rivers Wild and Scenix Stewardship Council. And
I wrote it um as a multi-phase uh grant um with the first phase obviously being this year with two or three um phases coming. Um uh and it's basically
to rehabilitate the Swan Hook River from Adams Dam area up to Bridge. Uh this first one is for the um meaning west. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a lot of invasive
plants along the river there. Largely knotweed. Um so >> Japanese notweed. >> Japanese milipur. >> Huh? >> There is the only thing I saw coming in.
>> No, there's not. There's no >> Oh, no. I And the common reads on the way down, too. Uh so to get to um attend to the these established areas uh we need it's really
not a removal at this point it's kind of control plan. So this grant will provide a uh expertise to write a control plan for it on the heavy lifting will come
from volunteers to believe that plan. >> Now where is this? Don't give me that word. >> You know how it was me for me? >> I you know I didn't notice but I was on the bench of it. I was looking at not
>> did we submit a application to survey more properties? >> Yes. Okay. >> Uh yep. So that one is coming up in um that hasn't actually opened yet. That's the land grant. This is okay. >> This is the community grants program.
Okay. >> Um that one I believe opens up at the end of May. >> I'm just reading it in May. So I was right. >> But yes, we'll be employing that too. >> So there are they only targeting particular invasives or is it
>> No, they're going to be all general. >> But it's only a plan. They're not going after any. You got to put your waiters on to go after them. >> Yeah, buddy. I know from where I know they're all expecting it to be where >> so I have a
street to west towns and all the way to the cover beyond >> just trying to bring up and >> it's a massive area with a lot in it. So future grants I hope to um put them towards um you know making that more
navigable the the river because you cannot get through there. You spend all your time >> and it was pulling your boat over >> I think eight or nine years ago. >> I'm going to move along with this one and I can give you a history about that. >> And then and then there's um
>> which I I'm all for doing that. the boat launches that that can be more made more accessible. But that's down the road. >> No, I I you got the vision. >> You know, that's what we want to do. >> And we're getting volunteers, too. We
got That's another point. >> Okay. >> But things are happening. It's good. >> I think it' be a real good thing to see the river start getting an annual clean. Um, I'm going move along if it's okay.
Uh, to 2.3 SE road, map parcel um 23-4-0. There's no folder for that up here. >> Hold sever road. >> That's cuz it's a pile.
>> Mhm. >> Is that it? >> These are the plants. You can start by looking at the plants. No, I need the legal notice. Um, >> notice to intend D file number 308-0729.
Um, TWWB 2026-004 approximately 8 p.m. Applicant John Melo Jr. proposes a definitive plan development of a 500 foot long subdivision road for a creation of um
three single family house lots and associated storm water management system only part of the development is within 100 foot and buffer >> you don't want to get into but this is largely what all the details of storm water but the
NOI isn't in there thank Um, so I make a motion to open the hearing. >> I'll second it. >> Roll call vote starting with Mike. >> Mike says yes. >> James Doran, yes. >> James Gates, yes. >> General
to Mass Wa in the towns and wetland bylaw. Council of Hong Kong will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, March 11th, 2026 at approximately 8:00 PM. Hearing will be held virtually via Zoom um and in person at town hall on a NOI filed
with Concom by John Malo Jr. as TWWB 2026-004. Property is located at zero road map parcel ID 23-4- 0. The proposed project is for the development of a 500 foot long
subdivision road for the creation of a single family or three single family house lots and associated storm water management system only. Uh part of the development is within 100 ft of the wetland. Uh parties wishing to speak in support of or in opposition to this
application may do so at the meeting or in writing prior to the meeting. Copies of this application are available um for review at town hall during business hours. Do we have the cards, Colby? >> Yeah.
I can find it in if you like. We didn't do the mail. Yep. Um, I believe Wayne is here represent Mr. Chairman, members of the commission,
and uh, Colby. U, it's good seeing a few of you folks yesterday on site um, taking a look at the property and going over the, uh, the design. Um, I've got a very excitable male white cat. He's large. He likes to play during these
meetings. So, you see something come at me, just please bear with me. It'll He's got his eye on me. So, again, Wayne Bellic Land Design uh Collaborative. Um so, John Melo is um a partner of Belvadier Capital. Um they're the folks
that have uh bought the property. Um and if I could uh do you folks want to want me to share my screen or would you like to share yours? Does it matter? Uh, Carly, can you give Wayne uh screen sharing, please? >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Kobe. I got the clip and
everything, too. >> Jimmy, can I see the plan, please? Kobe, thank you. So, can you folks see the uh the screen? >> Yeah. >> All right. So, as you as you can see,
this is a a locust map from the cover sheet of the the filing. So, the subject property uh measures about 13.02 acres. Uh it has about 3 uh6.97 ft of frontage, and I'll get into that in a minute, but
as you can see, it's about uh 1700 uh feet or 1970 ft from the intersection of Tyler Road. um for the benefit of the commission. Um I was uh when I met with you folks
yesterday, Mr. Chairman, I remember um a comment between you and Mike and talking about having some color on the the exhibits and the presentation. So I took the liberty of adding a little bit of color to this uh so that you folks can
see uh in better detail uh what is going on out here. Um so this the property like I said uh consists of uh 13.04 acres. Um we do have some wetlands on the property as you can see it's this
area in here in green and that measures about 51,000 square ft just north of an acre. So the property the way it's it's uh laid out SA Road is public to this point here. This portion in here is is
private and it's actually an easement. This is all the parcel from here wraps around like this out around in red along the town line back up and over to this narrow section in here. Um there isn't a butter as you enter the the property
here. Um located to the left as you're driving in and it's located on on this site here. Um, so there's a uh the road is a gravel uh part partially paved road uh in somewhat poor condition. As you
get through this area, it's primarily gravel. Um the site is generally wooded with the exception of some cart road that goes through here which served as a uh perhaps a a service road to do some uh tree cutting in the past. I believe
this was the subject of a tree cutting permit at one point. uh and also to serve to perform soil testing uh on the site. Mr. Chairman, you seem to have recalled that uh hearing of this project at one point and the reason being is
that I believe it was in about 2022 uh there was a filing with the planning board for a preliminary plan uh and they received uh preliminary plan approval. If I go back up for a minute uh to the the situation with SA Road. So, SA Road
back in 1973 uh was public all the way through here. Back in 1973, uh the town and I believe it was via town meeting vote as it usually is decided to discont discontinue the
public road status for this year. So, if this were still a public road, we wouldn't be here with you folks tonight. We wouldn't see you folks until we were looking at a filing that was within your jurisdiction for one of the lots. And the reason being is if this was a a a
public road, we'd be just doing simple ANR lots uh throughout the site. The wetlands on site were delineated by JRB Wetland Consulting. I don't know if you folks are uh familiar with them. Um the guy that owns the company is Joe Bolino.
He worked with D as a certain circuit writer in the uh central regional office for about oh 25 30 years. Um and uh so we consulted with him uh on this here to
redelineate the wetland. Back in 2020, um the commission had issued an there was an NNRAD filed uh with the commission to confirm the uh the resource areas in advance of a filing from the previous property owner.
Back then the commission reviewed the delineations and issued an order of resource area delineation and I believe that was in 2020 when that was issued. Now over that period of time as I said to the to Mike and the chair yesterday
and to Colby um that's six years ago and while there's still you know maybe through the permit extension act or through the tolling period as a result of uh co it may still have life to it but as I said to these folks I said I
wanted to have a wetland consultant go in here again and just confirm that the delineation was still the same. What he found is it was fairly consistent. And the reason I wanted to do that, as I said to the chair and and and and Colby and Mike, that in this area here where
the topography is uh steeper, wetlands won't morph that much. But when you get up into these areas in here, they do have a tendency of doing so. It doesn't always happen, but I just wanted to make sure that we weren't playing in wetlands at the end of the day, even
though it was still, I believe, still protected um under or still under a valid or so. So, with that said, what you see here is like I said in green, you see the the the limits of the wetlands. The wetland flags, as you folks know, were added to the plans and
sent off to you. There is jurisdiction within the conservation commission. the zero to 35 feet um 50 foot buffer zone. So you have a 50 35 ft no disturb 50T buffer zone and then the typical 100 foot buffer zone which is not only with
you folks but with the uh the wetlands protection act the soils on site a hydraologic uh soils group uh B C and D um D soils primarily in the in the wetland system um and the B and C soils
as you folks know C soils are moderately draining soils uh B soil soils are are well to uh moderately drained soils. So the soils out here are conducive for storm water uh management and particularly for uh infiltration. Uh and
so we're going to take advantage of that for groundwater recharge and in conformance with your local storm water regulations and bylaws as well as the um the state storm water standards. Um >> now did you go out there and auger those
recently? Are those off of the old plans? >> Not that they would change, >> Mr. Chair. Are you referring to the the test? >> Hey, wait. I got I got I got to correct you. I'm I was
>> two gyms. I'm not the chair. Jimmy's this Jim's the chair. He just doesn't go to sidewalks. >> See, I got to poke in tonight, too. >> I know. No, it's it's it's fine. just yes um but we can continue sorry >> okay sorry about that Mr. chairman. So
now I know who the chair is. Uh so >> in that gyms, but are those >> did you auger those just recently or those from two three four five years ago? >> Uh through the chair that the you mean the deep test pits?
>> Yes. >> Yes, those were recent. So these are all recent within the storm water management basins. >> I'm looking for the >> He's He's asking the >> Oh, I'm sorry. Uh that was Yeah. So that
was in um April of 2025. >> Yes. Okay. >> Less than a year old. >> So he's been on this whole thing for a weekend. That's what I wanted to double check on. Good. Good. Good. >> Okay. >> You can still want
Now I'm getting too confused. So again uh so yeah so those were recently uh dug um just actually I think it was so the so yeah so that was in 2025 in April 2025. Um as for the test pits for the storm water management system uh those
were within the last few months uh we were out there opening those up. Um and what we found here is the um the soils on site are consistent with the natural resource conservation service soils as being hydraologic soil group primarily
in the upland area of um uh bees and sea soils. So when Joe Bolino was out there, he found the typical um wetland uh plant species. Uh and I'm going to fire up his you'll see what he
did find out here. So as you can see uh he says that in the the wetland areas he observes skunk cabbage sensitive fern cinnamon fern marsh maragold red maple high bullish blueberry [ __ ] willow gray birch tusk sedge and as you folks know that's typically what you're going to
see in these wetland systems and these uh wooden areas especially with these types of soils the upland vegetation included Canada mayflower white pine white ash northern red oak no way maple cinnamon fern autumn model olive and spotted uh wintergreen screen. So, back
to the uh the presentation. So, again, all this was the the wetland uh vegetation. The rest of it was was uplifted on the property. Like I said, we do have some buffer zones. Um the site offers some constraints to it. One being obviously the resource areas, your
35, 50, and 100 ft uh buffer zones. Um and along the western border um there is a uh a portion of the site uh right here natural heritage priority habitat of rare species. There's the uh natural
heritage endangered species program file number and it shows it coming up uh onto the property. This is based on uh mass mapper. Uh we imported the the line work into uh the proper coordinate system and that's where uh it had fallen. Now,
interestingly, back then, Natural Heritage was contacted because this was and this is something that we typically do, but was the previous engineer, uh, Grass Engineering. They reached out to Natural Heritage, and they state that based on the what was currently
proposed, which is essentially the same subdivision we're looking at here with some minor uh, positive environmental changes, um, as proposed will not result in a prohibited take. And basically what that says is that in terms of the um
wetland in terms of what you're proposing on the site, you're not venturing into that area where you'd have to do some mitigation with natural heritage. Um and and and in terms of the species, not exactly sure what was identified within uh their jurisdiction,
but you'll see as we venture on uh we are not proposing any work uh within the system. So again, this road as it as it's currently laid out. The town road ends here. Access to uh uh Mr.
Mulligan's property occurs here. Um and then he accesses into his site. So he's not going to be affected by our um our access or any of the construction activity in terms of creating any extra obstructions. This here continues the
gravel drive down to number 50 Sver Road to Mr. Cohen's house. Um what we're going to do is uh he does have an easement on the property, a record easement. Uh what we're going to do is we're going to work with him. We're going to work logistically so that we do
not create any issues for him as um construction occurs. Uh the next plan. So now we're into the construction uh mode. Um again you can see uh the perimeter property line in red. uh you will see that uh we have the the
wetlands in green again with all the the flag numbers but 35 50 and 100 foot buffer zone and we also have in here as you can see is the erosion sediment control measures now I heard you folks talking earlier about straw waddles and
and silt fence and the like anytime we're dealing so because and you'll see on the grading and drainage plan um anytime we're dealing with areas where we're going to have slopes of 3 to one or sleep uh steeper. Um we install uh
straw uh straw bales uh which uh back uh a siltation fence. They're properly keyed into the ground. We have details on the plan that show how that's done. Um and so basically that's what we're going to have along here. Up in here what we're proposing is another type of
erosion sediment control barrier and that is the straw waddle back or the silt fence backed by the straw waddle. The reason we're doing that, it's a limit of work, nothing more. There's no grading that's going to flow toward this this area, but it serves as a limit of work and ensures that nothing creeps
into uh the jurisdiction of natural heritage. Um, looking at the the road, the road from the end of the uh culdeac, it comes in 500 ft. Uh, it's a 40 foot or variable width layout. uh for a
couple reasons because of the subdivision rules and regs. Uh it's not a straight 40 foot uh layout. Not to mention that out here uh the the width of the the road is only about 37 ft. So with that uh and I'm referring to the
public uh uh the the the road layout, the end of the public layout. So what we're proposing in here is we're looking to maintain and protect the trees along the side of the road. We call that as as an M&P uh or remove and relocate. If you ever see the terminology RNR on here,
it's uh remove and lo relocate. As I was saying to the group in the field yesterday, um, as we look at, um, site prep plans now, I could have I could have looked to make this look better with you folks with DP and I
could have been disingenuous and said, "Hey, so rather than have the limit of clearing out to where it needs to be, I could have shown it in here nice and tight to the roadway and wrapping around uh, continuing nice and tight. The fact of the matter is is in order for us to construct the roadway, we're going to
need to remove the material that's in here. So the road will come down through here. It will require the removal of maybe 2 to 3 ft of top soil and subs soil. It's got to be stockpiled somewhere. So what we've done is we've run some calculations and determined um
the piles of these stock piles. So we have uh lom stockpile areas and storage stockpile areas. So, we've got a combination of things is we've got, you know, several hundred yards uh of material uh that's going to be uh
stored. We also have a materials processing area. That materials processing area is for uh when we take the remove the top soil and subs soil and we need to create some screen bloom, it's going to occur in here. If there is
any uh soil with some decent size aggregate, the aggregate's going to be crushed and uh repurposed on site rather than having a haul in that that uh extra uh uh material and and eating up the um the town roads with uh vehicles
traveling to and from the site. You'll also see that we do have a refueling area. It is located outside the 100 foot buffer zone. Absolutely key. Uh we've got a refueling area uh for any vehicle. So, if they have loaders or or excavators or whatever they're working
with, um trees that uh when they come down, if they're working with skid stairs, >> this is a a refueling area. That's not to say the refueling area wouldn't be over in here, but the bottom line and I would encourage the commission if you already don't that if in one of your
special conditions that refueling occurs outside the 100 foot buffer zone, if you want to take it so far to say that uh 100 100 foot buffer zone and no closer than shown on the the uh the plans >> that is on our was the
>> perfect perfect. Um, so then we have in here the material storage. So let's say they uh they're doing work. So let's say they need a trench box. So they'll put the trench box. They'll use their trench boxes for the drainage. Uh keep that material stored in here. Any site
materials that they're going to need during construction. That'll be stored in here. Construction trailer. Typical of a site like this. You're talking maybe a 40 40ft by 10t trailer is usually what they have with the door and the little steps on it. Um, so limits of
clearing, what you're seeing in here is is in green. Uh, and as I explained to the group yesterday, what we're why we're proposing the limits of clearing as we are here and not so tight to these other areas in looking at this, you'd
say, well, the these it should be tighter. But because we're going to be out here and and working on the lots, we've rough laid out the lots. You'll find in your um your the site plans that were the subdivision plans that were proposed provided to you that there is a
uh a conceptual um site development plan or a lot development plan I think we called it. And what that shows is based on the soil testing out here um rough ideas as to what we're looking at for grading on the lot. We showed the grading of the lot
and what I said in the the filing with um with uh the commission and with D is I made it clear that the work that's being proposed out here is not related to the lots. It's specific to the roadway and the roadway
infrastructure. So the roadway construction and uh the storm bottom management. And the reason that I I I mentioned that a number of times in the filing is because at one point I hadn't this was just a few years ago. I hadn't
broken it out. It was broken out but D didn't understand you know the the verbiage in the in the document. So with that I've been very particular about that. So again it's specific to uh the roads uh the road and the infrastructure. what you see here um in
our drainage uh is part of what so once you start to open up the earth and you start to move soil around things start to happen you get erosion issues you get uh reals that are created once you get rainstorms so what we do to prevent things like that and to mitigate for it
is we look at our grading in this case here the contours are pitching such that the water is coming in this direction so we're proposing a roadside ditch low profile pile to take sediments that flow into the ditch down into this temporary
sediment basin. This sediment basin gets filled with, you know, about 6 to 8 in of of sediment and then it is removed here and disposed properly offsite in one of the delegated state areas. Um you'll also see with this line work I proposed that down below as well. So at
the end of the culdeac before the the culde-sac bulb goes in when they start to work uh they remove the material they start to um perform their their earth work. They'll propose to uh put a diversion channel in here wrapped around
here to capture anything that's naturally going to want to flow this way. Capture it and put it into this. We're going to call this one a sediment basin. The reason we're not calling it a temporary sediment basin, it is temporary, but uh it we're calling it a sediment basin because that's eventually
where the storm water management uh basin's going to go. And that we'll we'll get into that in a minute. So, as you see, we've got more diversion channels here into sediment basins. Same thing up in here. What tends to happen
here is as you do these projects, I look at this as a as I was saying to uh the folks that were at the site yesterday, um like a stormwater pollution prevention plan, I'll get into that in a in a couple minutes, but like a storm water
pollution prevention plan, which is a living breathing document on a on a project uh out at the site. This is a living breathing thing going on here. So you may find that you put in a diversion channel seems to work one day for a
couple storms and then you get another storm and it looks like things are going to change. Well then you then you re you know it's halftime at a Pats game. You call in the team and you regroup and then you put in another diversion channel where you see things starting to happen to uh address it before it
starts. the limit of clearing u on these projects we have survey staked in the field. The way we do this is we'll go out have it survey staked we will walk it after that and if we're if we're looking in the area and looking at this
uh lot in here let's say down in this area here um we we see some specimen trees that we we feel are worth keeping 10 15 feet into the site. we want to retain those. And what we'll do is we'll flag those up, save the trees. What that
will do is once we get into the design of the lots, we'll know where those trees are and we'll be extra sensitive to save those for the individual uh lot grading. Again, that will come under uh separate filings and as we see it now, we're probably looking at two individual
lot uh filings uh down the road. Um so that's basically how uh we deal with the the erosion and sediment control uh while prepping the site. Then we get into our uh design plan. So
as you can see here I've got uh the road uh one of the things that the previous plan showed um we like to work with low impact development. Um we like to do low impact development projects. As I was saying to the folks in the field yesterday, there are some properties
where I mean you can jump up and down and want low impact development, but a couple factors have to come into play here. You need topographically, you need fairly flat uh topography. You need good well- draining soils. While we have decent soils out here, what we're
challenged with is some of the topography in here. Um, and what I mean by that is the preliminary plan that had gone to the town originally proposed um, a roadside swale in here and it flowed
down to a basin in this location. As we look at it, looking at the grades, anytime you get anywhere uh, in in a longitudinal slope greater than four maybe 5% you don't want to go with roadside swails and you don't want to do that because of erosion issues. So what
we are proposing here is a a curb system. Um the curb system is going to be uh on the sides of an 18 foot wide paved roadway. We'll have two foot shoulders beyond that. That work is going to begin
uh up at um Mr. Mulligan's just beyond his driveway at the edge of his driveway. uh not on his property, but we are going to propose we're going to install um a batuminous concrete burm. Uh yesterday
when I met with the commission, I thought we were going to have some open drainage. Looking at it again because of the grades, it's all uh batuminous concrete burm where we can capture the runoff. Anything that comes down here, as I said, we mimic the topography here with the contours. The contours, the
existing contours pitch in this direction. So, we've mimicked that with our proposed contours where everything is going to flow to this side of the road, come down to this area, through a sediment basin, sediment for bay in
here, and through a very flat um brass swale that comes down through here, eventually hits a plunge pool. Um, and the plunge pool has a level spreader on it. So basically what that does is once the water comes down and it comes through so at this point it's
going to be more or less a channelized flow shallow concentrated channelized flow as it comes into this area in here. Um because it's so flat out here we are probably looking at more of a channelized flow. I mean a a shallow
concentrated flow. If the topography was steeper in here would channelize and the velocities would be significant when it hits the rip rrap basin in this case here comes down into the basin hits the level spreader and then begins again. So that typically when you're looking at uh
overland flow it begins with a sheet flow typically 50 ft goes to a shallow concentrated flow and then to a channelized flow. Basically what happens here is once it comes through here in a shallow concentrated flow hits this here and over tops the the top of this burm
it's basically dissipated all the energy and then it continues the process again. Now this comes out of sheet flow again for 50 ft. So that by the time it gets down uh to this area here, as you can see the contours doing this, topography
is going to allow it to come down into this area here into a depression where it's going to flow through uh a pair of 24-in pipes, discharging into yet another uh energy dissipating uh plunge pool. Again, same principle, cascading
over the top uh rip wrap and then down below you will see that. Yeah. Um, in the name of us not, you're doing a great job and this is a very comprehensive plan. Um, I want to focus on
areas that are, you know, within >> your jurisdiction. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, that's fine. That's fine, Mr. Chairman. I get it. I get it. really comprehensive plan and I I I
nerdily like looking at it. >> Well, I appreciate that and I take that as a compliment. Let's go to your jurisdiction. So, within your jurisdiction, what you see here is the uh hidden lines uh the the dash line in here. Those are your erosion sediment
control measures. Those are the measures that are necessary to be downgradient of the the stockpile areas and for the activity that's being proposed on the site. You're going to have a closed drainage system that's going to flow through some deep sump hooded catch basins uh to a manhole discharge in here
to a a sediment uh for bay which is going to over top and then go into a basin that's going to have two sections in it. The sections are going to be linked by an equalizer pipe. Again, this thick line here is your 100T buffer
zone. Within your buffer zone, we're going to have this discharge uh coming out into the level spreader and over topping. And then we've got a hund uh an over topping device, which is an emergency overflow spillway rip wrap uh type device. So that should anything
happen to the outlet control structure, which is located here, typically you folks have seen these. It looks like a manhole with holes cord in the side with a grade on top that'll control the flood stage within uh the basin here. Um and then should that become obstructed, it
overflows the top and this has been sized to have the capacity for the 100redyear storm event. Uh we do have we are proposing this at this time. Again be just beyond your jurisdiction, but we would rather plumb the basin for everything coming down the road uh associated with the driveway that's
going to be serving uh the slot up in here to give you guys an idea. >> That nice nice flat discharge at the bottom of all these basins. Looking at how that relief is. >> Yep. mimics what you've done to the top to
here down through that middle strip. You'll get a high velocity down through that middle strip. Once again, you'll dump into the rip wrap. Nice level flow. Slow it down, >> discharge down to the next, so on and so. Okay.
>> Yep. Yep. >> Nice. >> So, yeah, that's that's that that explains it in a in a nutshell. So again, what we're looking to do is just dissipate all the energy before it gets to the resource areas. The last thing we want to see out here are any erosion issues, you know, down the road.
>> So this site um so this will be subject to um so after everything's uh uh graded out and everything, everything will be stabilized, lom seated, stabilized. When we do these uh things and we go to do an
asbuilt of the of the site, we'll do an interim as built of the basin to make sure it's properly constructed so that they're not going out there after they've loomed and seated and playing again and now disturbing anything. We'd like to get that before they loom and seed, tell them it's okay to go ahead and loom and seed and then we're done.
And then a while after that, after the two growing seasons are within that, uh we'll be coming uh requesting a certificate of uh or an order of condition uh certificate of compliance. This will all be subject to um because we're altering more than an acre of
land. It's going to be uh subject to uh the National Pollution Elimination Discharge System uh program. So, the Nippides uh uh program. So, we're going to need to file an uh E NOI with the federal EPA
for the disturbance of more than one acre of land. Because of that, it's going to trigger a storm water bottom management pollution prevention plan. That swim, which I referred to earlier, is the leaving living breathing document
that stays on the property. If a federal agent from the EPA shows up on a property and you don't have one, you can get significantly fined. So what we do is we encourage our clients, you can't force them, you can tell them it's in your very best interest to file a SWIP.
So we typically in our all our filings that result in the alteration of more than an acre of land, we include the SWIP as part of that SWIP, we have uh the operation and maintenance plan after and it's all included in your in your filing and I could look at that if you
want, Mr. Chair. Uh but basically the the way it works is that you have your operation and maintenance plan. You have your storm water pollution prevention plan during construction. Then you have a storm water pollution prevention plan post construction. And
that basically tells you, you know, how you address certain situations uh on site. Uh I've got uh >> after everything's said and done. Well, even >> and he was referring to the 401 water
quality test also. >> Yeah. So, in in this one here, it doesn't require 401 water quality because we're not within that jurisdiction. We're not altering streams. So, in this particular case, it's just purely the SWIP with the federal EPA. Um just as stringent. um
they you know they come they they look we've had a couple cases where they have shown up to the site. One of the sites the the client chose not to go with a SWIP um and he paid for it. The other guy had it. The agent looked at it and said, "Good, nice job. Let's keep this
going." Um so with that, we do have um uh the the long-term operation and maintenance plan. Um and then the um like I said we have the storm water pollution prevention plan that covers everything. So as part of that that
living breathing document on site what they'll have in that document is the order of conditions. They'll have their storm water management permit. We we're filing for the major uh storm water management permit uh with planning board um because it alters more than 40,000
square feet and it's a subdivision. Um, so, uh, we'll have that in there. We'll have the planning board decision, any plans, so we'll probably have 11 by7s, plus they'll have a full set of drawings, uh, in the trailer, uh, on site for while any work is being done.
All the contractor's names and contacts informations uh, information is on there. Our information is on there so that if there's any questions that come up from the town uh and you need to contact anybody, you'll have all the numbers uh and and contact information
in your copy of the SWIP. Uh when things are updated in the SWIP, you will receive updates. So, if we go out there as part of this construction project in in the SWIP, there are going to be um uh inspection inspections on site. Those
are required uh by a certifi certified an EPA certified erosion control uh inspector. We have that on staff. Um and and they'll go out to the site, make some observation, write up reports. If there a deficiency, there any issues out there. They'll notify the contractor and
say, "You've got to fix this. You know, how long is it going to take? I'll be back. Okay. On Friday, we'll take a look at it." And then they will look to sign off. Anytime we see anything, we report it. If it's out to lunch, it's reported. It's put in the document. We follow it up and then we check it off as having
been properly addressed. So with that, um, like I said, everything is upgradient of the erosion sediment control measures. The site was designed to meet the 8in interests of the act as well. There are no wetland impacts. The buffer zone impacts are are pretty
minimal. Um, those are um I I could hit on those if you'd like, Mr. chairman or we could just open it up for questions to the board. Is he talking or you want me to me? >> So, basically, like I said, this
>> if you if we could keep it quick or brief. >> I I I think it would be >> Yeah, it would be good just so that um just so it's said uh and it's, you know, Sandra's a new commissioner. Um >> Sure.
>> Mike's only been on for probably two years now at this point. God only knows. Nice. >> Nice. So, but no, it's always good to do something quick and um >> Yep.
>> So, I do have the the buffer zone impacts. Um so, as you look at the buffer zone impacts, um the amount of buffer zone, as you can see on the the property, the total is 150,000 square ft. So, that's just shy of 4 acres. Um
of that, just shy of 4 acres. The buffer zone, the total buffer zone that's being altered is just about a half acre, 24,000 square feet. The um from 50 to 100, it's about uh about a
half acre, just shy of of that 24,000 square ft. From 35 to 50, there's 2,000 square ft. And from 0 to 35, nothing's being altered. Um, so like I said, the the the wetland system on site's about uh 51,000 square
feet. So when you look at all the area within your jurisdiction, the wetland um and the buffer zone, you're talking about 200,000 square ft, roughly 5 acres. Of that five acres, we're altering uh a total of uh a half acre.
Um and that's all beyond uh um mostly beyond 50 feet uh of the buffer zone. So it's in that second uh section of the buffer zone up in up in here.
>> Okay. >> Any questions, Mr. Chairman? Um, we can go around the table and I >> the only I so I I want to remind everyone we're not this is not for the house lots just for the
>> for the road >> just for the road and the storm water associated with the road >> storm road water control etc. And it is they they designed it so that they wouldn't have to redo stuff when
the time comes to do house lots. Um >> or if they did it would be um taken care of now. Um but there you said two out of the three lots you foresee file file. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Mr. Chairman, I
So this lot one's not going to be within your jurisdiction. This guy here will be uh the septic system is going to be in the grading uh will be within your jurisdiction. Uh this guy up in here, >> I don't think so. I don't think so. I
think this guy we have it designed so his driveway I believe comes up through here. So I don't foresee any of his work being within. So you're probably looking at just this lot. And >> that was on that long dog leg. >> That's correct. >> That went down. Okay.
But regardless, um, you know, it Yeah, this is just >> Colby. Hi, Wayne. >> Hi, Colobby. >> I got a question. I'm going to come close to the microphone, so I don't have to yell. Um,
do you intend on uh the process of this OC um completing it before you sell the um other sell the other parcels so that you um so that the certificate of compliance uh it doesn't become
responsible responsibilities of the new homeowners. >> He did say that. >> Yep. Uh no no he did say that you know obviously they aren't going to apply for the completed order conditions and for two growing seasons but
>> it is going to take time to sell those. >> Okay. >> So through the chair it's it's rare that that we would uh request the order prior to the to growing seasons. The only exception of that, you folks know that if you have if you go ahead, you lman
seed um and as part of that um lman seed, you get some decent rains and things really take off and you exceed that 75% coverage um and then you're able to go for it. So I've had situations that uh uh for instance in
Hudson last year, two years ago, within 6 months everything was lush. it was well beyond the 75%. So we say the two so typically it's two growing seasons but on occasion you do get them uh to to
come uh to go quicker but yeah we're anticipating two growing seasons. Uh one thing I I failed to mention is on the back side of the slope uh within your jurisdiction all this area in here is going to be seated with an uh New England conservation mix uh a wildlife
conservation mix. So what it does is it makes that transition from the wooded area to the area of the basin with some dense undergrowth shrub for wildlife migratory patterns. So in terms of the orders of conditions, yes. So there
would be an order of conditions for the road and for the storm water which would be the own under the ownersh the the Belvadier Capital would would have ownership of that. If Belvadier Capital sells the lots, what they would do is
they may have an open order on this to close this out because typically the way this will work is they will get it down to binder course, go in and so if they have some work to do on the lots, it'll be at at most be down to binder course. Once the construction activity has
ceased on the lots and you're looking at basically inside the house type construction and you don't have the heavy equipment required anymore then they would typically go to the installing the BMS and and and the finish course. So with that each individual lot I sat on a conservation
as I was telling the guys yesterday I was on a commission for like seven years and one of the challenges that we had is that when a homeowner would go for a certificate of compliance it would get caught up because some of the activity if they lump two lots together
one of the lots may have been totally complete but not the other one. >> So they had that problem. So I've always been of the mindset that each lot gets its own uh order conditions. So that's how we would approach that separate
instead of a partial. >> That is the best way to do it. >> Or each individual law approval >> there that you just said asked the same question just two different ways. >> Right. >> I want to make sure I want to note for
the commissioners is you know the retention basins are going to receive a detention basin mix. Um, >> you know, you also had the conservation wildlife area mix like you said, >> um, but also a wild flower area. Um,
>> y, >> you know, so that that's something that, >> um, you know, the I want to recognize that, um, a lot of work went into these plans. Very >> Yeah. >> Thank you. Thank you. Well, I think you
know as as I said to the folks in the field yesterday, >> being on your side being on your side of the table for as long as I was, you have a full appreciation of it and you know what to look for. You know what's right, you know what's wrong. So, we like to think we do things right. >> You know, there's got to be that
transition. >> So, utilities utilities are limited. your pull prep for pull >> and it ends. But >> so utilities are are pretty straightforward. I'm going to go to the
plan and profile sheet to show you how the utilities are coming into the site. So in here we've got a utility pole. Uh >> yeah. So, there's an overhead wire that
comes down to a utility pole that's located right here. >> Because that's going to be within the uh the curb, we're going to relocate the utility pole here, rerun the overhead wire here, and then go underground here
to connect to um the underground service that currently exists here and serves the property here and here. Okay. Okay. So, there are trans uh utility boxes here serving and it shows an underground
electric that comes into the site. So, we're we're thinking, you know, once we get out there, we do a little exploration, we're going to confirm that this does in fact serve uh lot three. The rest of it goes on to 50 Sver road. And what we're looking to do is pick up
from this underground uh electric. pick it up over here, right off the edge of pavement, and run it down to a transformer pad right here. And that will tear up the two lots out back going
up the uh a driveway. So, there'll be a driveway that that goes out to that uh lot two, the one that the one that dog legs. Uh it'll have its own uh service there. This guy can pull off of this guy here, right up into his lot.
proposing. >> I'm sorry. >> Go ahead, Bully. >> Um, we did have a couple comments from DP and they're all related to storm water standards, uh, which will be addressed by the storm water permit. >> Y, >> which is
so interesting. So, I do I do appreci I'm sorry. >> You're fine. >> So, as I said to the folks yesterday, um this particular project, uh DP really doesn't have a say for storm water. Um
and although I do appreciate them weighing in, they really have no jurisdiction here because it is a a small subdivision, only three lots. And so when we filed, I I deliberately did not file a storm water permit. uh the stormwater information with the EP uh
because it's not within their jurisdiction. It's within the jurisdiction of the town of Townsen because of your stormwater bylaw. Had you had not had a stormwater bylaw and regulations, there would not have been a storm water permit uh filed and the
amount of storm water uh mitigation that would have been proposed would have been significantly less. So we would we still would have done something >> that it would have been significant. >> Yeah. Yep. >> Because we would we would have we would have looked at the pre and post
development because what when you look at the pre and post development flows and and that mitigation that's trigger triggered by the regulatory process. So we would have more looked at this as a situation where we would probably have looked to address it on a per lot basis.
you know, we would have definitely have done something with the road, but not to the degree that we're proposing it because you folks have a requirement to comply with uh Noah 14, which does the latest standard um in your regulations and bylaws, which is the most
restrictive um storm water standard there is in terms of the amount of precipitation. Uh so Noah 14 is uh basically uh so back in the day you you let's say you had an 100redyear event 6.85
uh inches of runoff. Noah 14 is saying it's 7.1 or 7.2 uh inches uh within 24 hours of of storm water. So it's a more stringent requirement. We would have adhered not to the Noah 14 but to the current regulations basically under D
but modified. >> Um >> but we will so just just just to be clear we the planning board does have a peer review consultant who's looking at this as well. Um and so because we filed under those uh stormwater reg byl reg
regulations and bylaws they are reviewing the entire application for compliance with these local storm water regs and bylaws. Um these are more stringent as you folks know if same thing with conservation bylaws and regulations. Anytime you implement
bylaws and regulations I had done the same thing in my hometown of Auburn years ago where you make them more stringent than D. no different from the uh the um the local requirements as evidenced by the Noah 14 requirements
for rainfall precipitation. >> So you're saying towns in good shape as far as >> you are yeah somebody was thinking somebody wasn't asleep at the wheel. Somebody was doing something. Yeah. It's good. >> Take credit for it, Mr. Chairman. Take
credit for it. No. >> Um, >> Mike, what are your thoughts to you? >> Well, >> I've done it this way. >> Go ahead. >> No, this is by far since I've been on the the commission, this is by far the
more most complex set of plans that I've >> complex or comprehensive. >> Both comprehens >> through the chair. I'm not sure how to take that. I take, you know, I hear compliment and then I hear the back. I feel the
backhand. It's like a handshake and then the back hand >> guy though I I side with him. At anyway, there were a lot of new concepts and terminology that I was not familiar with. >> Um, and anytime there was a question,
um, Wayne more than thoroughly answered it and Jimmy would ask questions, which I know he knew the answers to, but he was asking them for my benefit so I could internalize more information. And I do
appreciate that. Keep it up. And um but it strikes me that Wayne is uh one of those engineers who anticipates everything and figures out a way to solve every problem.
>> Yep. I appreciate that. I I don't believe I don't >> from my standpoint which is not based on a lot of engineering experience but um no it's every every every question we had he answered >> so do you
>> I do appreciate that but I also must say that I look at problems all problems can be solved it's how you do it and how effective is the solution you know there's always more than one solution to solving a problem it's which one is works best or you feel works best
and is it effective? >> Yeah. >> No, I mean I think he's done a great job. I mean he you know reminds me of this gal down on Adams Road >> did an outstanding job. I mean kudos to
you. I don't want to take up any more time. I'm I'm I'm very comfortable with where we are on this and uh >> thank you. Let's carry on. I think you got most of what I was concerned with and what I was looking at at sitewalk. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> I know you didn't um get to the sidewalk >> but um after hearing everything, do you have any questions, concerns, thoughts? No, it's above me a lot of it between the wording
and and everything, you know. I mean, I think he did a wonderful job. I mean, the way he described everything and stuff. Um, but I would need definitely more time to be on that to
go over it more. So, oh, >> sounds like you're pretty happy with what you heard, but as confused as I am with some of it, which I my few notes down about. I want to look at, you know, a little more information on the knower,
you know, for certain stuff, but >> yeah, >> Sandra, >> I'm sorry. I don't mean to longer. >> Don't be sorry. Um, well, I'm just want to go back to I know you started this with about the uh priority habitat that
goes along the former SA road. Could you just walk me back over to that? Walk it back over to that and tell me what kind of protections we got there for that. >> Well, Wayne did say he didn't know exactly what was being protected, >> right? I remember that. Yes.
>> Yeah. >> So, I'm just wondering I'm just kind of concerned about that. >> Yep. So, I do appreciate the question. Um, so what we're doing is because this is coming down to this location here. This is uh as you folks saw yesterday,
this is gravel continues to come down to this area and here. So, basically what's going to happen is this the storm water is going to flow down into here into the into the catch basins get collected. Anything from here is going to continue downward. Now, as we come off the paved
portion, the new paved portion of the roadway, we're going to have to marry to the existing uh gravel portion. So, what we're going to do is we're going to slightly come up in elevation, come up just, you know, maybe 1 to 2% very
shallow uh to a point up in here, and then go from Excuse me. Are you okay? Come on, let's get that boy. There he is. There he is. He's um He's
got boxer mitt paws. He's got the So, I bring him to the vet and the vet said that they've never seen a cat with such big paws. They're monstrous. And he's got the thumbs. So, he's got the thumbs. It's great. They're about gym size
hands. Uh so, so what we're proposing in here is that the pavement ends here for the driveway and then and that's the high point. So any water that that's here pitches back in here. This right here will continue to come down to this area where we transition into gravel
right in here. Right. This location here, this red is >> the edge of what we're we're saying is a limit of work. We're not going beyond that because that's the jurisdiction of the natural heritage endangered species program. Our dealings with them, and I
don't know if you folks have dealt with them. I love dealing with them. Um, some commissions, uh, I mean, commissions like it, developers hate it, >> engineers hate it. >> What's that? >> When you say natural heritage or endangered species,
>> no natural be they used to be decent to deal with. And now, >> right, >> you guys, >> we do pay attention when the word natural heritage comes out. >> Yeah. only because we you've got to respect the size of the club.
>> Yeah. >> That's >> Well, I guess to answer Sandra's question is >> they're not really going to be doing it. They're not going to be doing anything within the estimated habitat or priority. >> So, it's the left of that line is
protected. I mean, I wish I knew what was being protected because I'd feel a little better about your something we're not allowed to talk about. In time, what you'll learn is that anytime Natural Heritage says something like, "Well, we we don't know what we we're not going to
tell you." They know and we know. >> Yeah. I could actually find that out. >> We know. >> Yeah. >> Want to be broadcasted or verbally stated, they know. And we already know. Do you know?
>> No. Because it could be something else. Are they could >> we plan it for the animal or >> you know it could the one >> or both? We don't know. >> So, but they're not the proposed project is not >> it's not going to touch it. So, the the
heavy won't be close to that area away. >> The only time they're going to be is blending the driveway, the existing driveway into the new road >> and they won't get concerned. >> But they're not to be in that area. Um, wait, you did say you put something DCV
type one. >> Yep. Right here. >> He put something there as a barrier. >> Okay. Okay. Good. So, it's designated. In other words, Okay. So, someone will see the designated whatever he put in and be mindful of that >> and through the and through the chair.
The only reason we didn't extend this further down is the logistics of it. this uh this individual down at at uh number 50 still has the right to pass and repass. We didn't want to obstruct that. Um what we're doing for him here is we're going
to be removing a section of stone wall that exists out here. So stone wall comes through here. We're going to be taking some of that out and we're going to wrap it around and create a nice entrance for him in here. Repurpose that stone wall so it gives him a little bit of a a nice entrance when he gets home.
Like I said at number four and Mr. mulligans uh sensitive uh there as well. We can discuss that further when we're before the uh the planning board. But again, looking at these abutters, part of our approach is they've been here and
I look whenever I do one of these projects, I look at this as if I were living there. Okay? And you got to you got to be sensitive to that. I mean, everybody's going to have to live in the in the same area uh uh together. So, you want to work to make sure that you don't
o, you know, overturn what they've been um they've been accustomed to. I could have gone with more lots in here, but no, it wasn't the right thing to do. We've got three lots and we're fine with it. >> Well, I thank you for being very sensitive to the to the uh natural needs
of the area. >> Did you question? Well, >> do do I have any more questions? No. Well, I guess one last one is like there's a little buffer. Is that 12 12 feet or something? Is that the number on there? Or did I read that wrong? I can't
read it very well. How many feet protected area like they have to >> like a buffer for the m natural heritage like? >> Oh, that's way up in the corner. >> Or you with the gravel >> right there.
>> Okay. So, it's 12. >> No, >> I can't read the numbers. Some kind of numbers down there. >> What is 12? Well, the bottom line is far enough. >> That's a 12 in. >> Well, that's the size of a tree. >> Yeah. 12in maple. That's a 12-in maple.
>> I couldn't see I couldn't see that. >> An endangered maple. >> Come on. >> But yes, thank you very much for being very sensitive. Big giant subdivision. You know, it's it's a beautiful area. if there was
anything if they were in in a critical area, if they were in anything that natural heritage would be concerned with. >> So, so usually what I do on those in those cases, we're proactive when we do that and that's what I do well with them and
it's because whenever you have a situation like this, you get a finding from them, get a determination as to whether or not it's going to be an issue. And what I find more often than not is if you're proactive and and they say this rather than having somebody go in there be reactive reactive and and
and look to you know overdo it with a sky skyscraper or something. You don't do it that way. You go in there you mitigate if there are turtles you can do things with stone walls and stuff to prevent the turtles turtles from coming out onto the road. So there are a number of things critter critter trails
underneath the roadway. Number of things you can do. So, you have to you got to work you got to understand the species when you're dealing with them. Um, and anything that I'm unfamiliar with. Uh, with the gray hairs and the bald head, I've learned to uh to meet a lot of people in my day. So, I will, you know,
typically reach out to a wildlife expert. So, like I said, in this case here, we're not working in their jurisdiction. So, it's it's all the better. >> Well, again, thank you. I appreciate it. I'm >> I'm good.
>> What's the matter? We all don't want to keep talking >> cuz it's such a It's just such a comprehensive plan >> that Colby has to follow through with and, you know, make sure everything's >> done. So, I feel good.
>> Maybe Kobe. I so I I make a motion that we issue a standard order of conditions. Um >> excuse me. The notice public comment, >> Mr. Chairman, you have the butter. >> No, I am I am actually really sorry. Um
the way we have the screen set up. >> Um can you uh state your name and your address, please? >> Michael Seekman. I am beneficiary of the trust of Tom Milligan who's the ab Tom has deceased.
No. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Is there something that just happened recently? >> Did you know? >> Oh. Then do >> I didn't know if it was something that >> we're all if do do you have um a
statement or a question or concern that >> we we we just found out. I'm not sure if this is something where Butters were supposed to get noticed. We just found out late yesterday. Um we're not up to speed. Could you show me the plunge pool up up in detail? And and by sorry for the informality. I didn't catch your
last name. Wayne, I appreciate your comments about wanting to work with the neighbors, especially since the previous developer um greeted the abuters by putting rocks across your driveway at one point. Uh could you zoom in on the plunge pool for me? >> This guy here.
>> Yeah. So the the the the the overflow that comes down from the curbs that you're putting in. >> Okay. I'm sorry. >> No, no, no, no. Where you are is right. But when the water comes down there at that at the end at the 430 foot
topographic level, um when this fills up andor if it it clogs up, >> that that level just continues down into you know 40 Sver road there. Um, is there anything to prevent the water from going there, which is at the same level? >> So,
>> if you go northnortheast on your plan, >> norththeast, >> that's all the same level there. >> So, are you okay, I see what you're saying. So, what's going to happen? I do appreciate the question. So the so through the chair the the question is if I understand you Michael you're saying
so it it over tops at 430 and because we have the 430 contour coming up through here your concern is that it's going to because it's the same elevation um impact uh number 40.
>> Yeah. And relatedly does it really need to be along the property line? >> Yep. Good questions and I appreciate it. So, >> and and and I'd be happy to, you know, your comment before and there's the issue of the town having given given the road back and then approved houses on
this road. Um, we'd be happy to to interact directly. Uh, I understand you need to have a whole bunch more hearings going forward. >> Absolutely. So, if if I could through the chair, if Colby could give Mr. Seekman uh my contact information.
Um certainly >> we can we can further communicate and I can further answer questions because like you said we're going to go before the planning board. Um >> so Mr. Seman um if you could email Colby uh his email address is on the town page
for conservation. Um >> I don't know off hand. >> I know. Um yeah but I don't know off hand. Uh, but if you could email him and then Kobe will >> email. No, please. Please. >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
>> We It screws up the owl. Um, >> may I get it over? >> Yeah, sure. Go ahead. We've already lost the plank. Okay. It's createnmma.gov. I'll copy. Oh, sorry. to military. Yeah, you get that. >> Yes. Thank you very much,
>> Mr. Chairman. I would like to, if if it's okay, address uh Mr. Sigman's question. >> No, the the No. And again, my apologies for not um asking if there was any public comment. >> Well, I think it's uh because I've been
long- winded and uh I just gab too much. So, that that's all on me, Mr. Chairman. So, so basically what uh to address the the question, so you're right. I I I do appreciate uh Michael your ability to read the contours. Not everybody can do
that. Some of my own staff can't do it. Um so looking at this, so this is a 428 contour. So this in here is 2 feet lower than the 430. Okay? So when it comes in here and over tops and it hits the 430
um which is the same contour as this guy in here is as Michael pointed out. >> But what happens is once it hits the 430 and it over tops the 430 we have a 428 in here. So it quickly drops down 2
feet. So it excuse me it drops down 2 feet and that's a slope at about a 3 one. So three feet horizontally to one foot vertically. So essentially if you if you're looking if you can see my arm it's doing this. That's your slope. So
what happens is because it's coming in this direction we could have a th00and c well 100 cfs of cubic feet per second of water coming through here. It's not going to want to come up to here because the topography continues to
come this way. Once it leaves this 430, it drops to elevation 429 right in here and then 428 and then it continues to 426 or uh two and then 420 down in here. So it it will not
>> and it will not come up here. So to your question as to why we captured it uh up at the beginning, um whenever we do a project like this, um we like to what we call shunt the the offsite water uh away
from areas that have to be um mitigated. So, if I were to take all of this runoff here and take it down to this and and bring it into the system to discharge where it eventually goes anyway,
>> which is the reason we have these pipes in here. If I were to take it and send it in this direction, I would have had to maybe double the size of the storm water basin, that would have been more work within the conservation commission. So, that basin would come around like
this. And there is it it isn't necessary if you've got water that comes comes down to this point anyway and you're not changing the hydraology on it. There's no reason to mitigate for it. So basically what we did is we took the runoff that's coming down through here,
captured it, slowed down the velocity in this very shallow uh channel um and then let it go into the plunge pool to over top. So it goes down where it wants to go. It's where it currently goes. So it comes down to here, down to here, in
through here, catches this area into the wetland system. From this one, it comes down here, catches this gutter, comes down through here, picks up this, and lo and behold, it comes down into the wetland system. So it does the same thing, but what it does is it diverts
the water rather than running it through the site. We shunt it around the site um so that we don't have to mitigate for it and double and triple size the basin uh that's down below. And like I said, Michael, in terms of, you know, the impacts uh to the upgradient property,
like I said, your 430 contour is right here. Uh it's being uh picked up right here. And now you have the 428 that's that's here. It's going to hit that 428 much more quickly than it's going to want to head off in this direction. I
hope I I explained that clearly. Yeah, I think it might be more productive if if we talk in person like that. >> Sure. Absolutely. >> I I I do appreciate the discuss the possibility of talking. >> Absolutely. >> By all means, >> by all means through the chair, Michael.
Give me a call. >> Okay. >> Do you have any other questions, Michael? >> Not not for now on the storm water, but thank you. >> Okay. >> Thank you. That's a slip slope. >> Yep.
>> Not storm water. >> Um, >> and it was a legit question. I just was concerned if somebody had just recently passed away at that >> I know >> change what what is going on here.
>> Colobby, what are your thoughts on on this? I I'm comfortable with this with based on the plans and um site our two commissioners that did make the sitewalk. >> Um okay. Uh yeah, the NOI is very thorough
and complete. Uh the NOI application I should say. Um it's a very well thought out >> process for the storm water water um proceed through this uh development and which will be covered by the planning
board even more thoroughly it's the sto water permit um there's a lot of components to it and requirements for documentation so they are going to very robust
in their robust in their >> so >> on the conservation side of things >> it's minimal impact >> min very minimal um yeah
a very good job to keep the um the any detriment to the weapon at a minimum in the spirit of the um WPA how we make note of he was going to
remove all that sediment out of those two >> those locations. So, I'm going to >> see a lot of contractors do stuff like that. That's you know, >> I'm going to make a motion that we um issue us
um order conditions for zero road uh D file 308-0729. Make sure no one else wants to talk. TW >> TWWB 2026-004. >> Um >> is there a second? >> I'll second.
>> Any discussion? >> Roll call vote start. Yes. >> James Boryan. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes. Can I say the Lord? Yes. >> Um Wayne, I again I this this plan is thorough. It's comprehensive. It's
complex as Mike said, but it's very well thought out. And I think the best solution for this parcel. Um and we thank you for your time and effort uh you put into this. >> Oh, I thank you, Mr. Chairman. I actually hope to work in town some more
at some point. Um, and uh, this will be more of what you see. And I think, you know, as I said to the folks in the field yesterday, um, sitting I still sit on a board in my my town for 26 years and then prior to that the seven years with Con. And I think when you're
sitting on your side of the table on the permitting side, I think you get a better appreciation, you know, of first of all being volunteers and being volunteers in what's a what's a thankless job. It is a job >> and it's thankless. It's thankless.
People don't appreciate what you do. I know my own wife of of almost 40 years. >> She doesn't get it. She's pretty thankless. You know, she's she doesn't get it. And the only reason I'm not sitting on the conservation commission is uh she has threatened to divorce me
if I go back because it was timeconuming for me. Very timeconuming. So >> I might I might jump on it then. That might give me incentive. Well, >> that said, uh, I'd like to make a motion to close the hearing for Zero Sver Road,
uh, D number, uh, 308-0729, TWWB 2026-004. >> I'll second that. >> Roll call vote starting. >> Said yes. >> James Corin, yes. >> James Gates, yes. >> Yeah, definitely. Yes. >> Sandra Lord, yes.
>> Thank you, Wayne, for your time. >> Thank you, folks. Much appreciated everybody. stay safe and healthy and uh hopefully we get to see each other soon again. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Take care. >> Byebye. >> That's from the >> chairman number two.
>> You're the vice chair anyways. >> No, I don't want to be I want to be >> u 2.441 street. >> Let's do it for Wayne. >> I'm going to get a copy of those plants.
I don't see what he did in the >> request for determination of applicability. >> RDA 20 uh TWWB uh 2026005 approximately 8:30 p.m. Applicant Jamie Baker
proposes a project of replacing a subject within the front area. I got to read. >> No, I would say that was I think it was a little unclear. We're going to make the deadline, but I did take I went out
there today and took pictures. It's a small area. You can get a ready forward just like >> you could also you can pretty much see the whole property from Google Maps to pull it up. Oh yeah. >> Um so I'm going to read the legal ad. Pursuant to the mass WPA
towns with bylaws towns in Hong Kong will be we'll hold a hearing um on March 11th, 2026 at approximately 8:30 p.m. The hearing will be held virtually via Zoom and in person at town hall on an RDA filed through Hong Kong by Jamie
Baker as TWWD 2026005. The property is located 41 Portland Street Map, parcel ID 5257-0. The proposed project is for the replacement of a septic system within a riverfront area. Parties wishing to
speak in support of or in opposition to this application may do so at the meeting or in writing prior to the meeting. Copies of this application are available for review at town hall during business hours. You don't mind introducing yourself? And
>> my name is Josh Joslin. I'm with Grass Engineering representing Jamie Baker who's going to be doing the installation of this epic. Um, and it's uh Michael and Mary Barry are the owners of 41. >> Did you say Graza >> Graz G1?
>> Yeah, they did the survey on the project that you just heard. >> Yeah, I've been to that project a few times. Well, anyways, so um basically what we have here is an existing three-bedroom house with a failed septic system. Um and this is
Brooklyn Street here and Smith Street here. So it's right on the corner of Brooklyn and Smith Street. The existing plumbing comes out right here um into a leech field that exists right in this area here. and we're here requesting um a determination of applicability for the
wetlands protection act for a perennial stream that's located on the opposite side of Brookline Street. And the reason um we're here for the RDA instead of an NOI is because we believe that we're going to have no effect on this wetland as all of the runoff that comes off this
site empties into a catch basin that's right on the corner and runs um up to another catch basin here that eventually feeds that stream. So there's no runoff going into the stream from our site. Um so basically we are getting a little bit
closer to that wetland and the reason is uh to get away from the water line that's right here. I believe right now there's components of the system that are actually over that water line. So we're working to meet Florida health setbacks from that water line and
basically it's just a very tight site and this is the best location for that. septicate system. Um, and then there is some mapped zone AE on this site that kind of goes right along the edge. And actually about I think it was about 10
years ago, we did a flood study on this site to create a lma map for the structure. And so that that's a survey flood line from a field survey. And um this system is all sand and gravel from the test pit. So it's in the ground. So,
we're not having any effect on that. But, but he has the little bridge that goes brings him onto his property. Uh, no. There's a driveway off Smith Street right here. So, it's right on the
corner of Smith and Brooklyn Street. I don't believe there's a bridge. What were the board of health comments? >> Um, I'm actually not sure exactly what the board of health comments were. I know that there was one of the comments was that we had this designed as a
fourbedroom house because that's what the tax card said and then it came to our attention that the previous approval was for a three-bedroom house. So that we had to go back and limit our design to a three-bedroom house. So, we changed it over from a geomat system to a pip
and stone system um because we could use a pip and stone because it didn't need to be as big at that point. >> As far as their other comments, um one of the comments was to get the interdep departmental form which is basically coming through you guys and going through the tax assessor's office and
that we don't have board of health approval yet, but we do have that meeting on the 23rd. No, that means 25th. So, plan through. >> Think that'd be the best thing to do.
>> Yeah, because we're running short on the And not to cut you short or anything, but if we if it hasn't gone through the board of health, not know that we're wasting any time, but any I >> and then we can do a driveby. I would
like to take a peek. For some reason, I'm drawing a blanket on this little house and it's tiny. >> And while you're here though, >> while he's here, >> is there anything? Obviously, it looks like everything will be disposed of or trucked out while they're doing the
work. There's no >> stock. There's just no It's too small >> possible area other than put it out on Brooklyn Street and just bring the cars around. >> Mike, what do you got? I know you got you got to have something. You've been quiet all night that good. >> Well, I'm trying. I'm trying.
>> Disappointed with no cover in this. >> He thinks you're being serious. >> I am. I I like it, too. >> Yeah. >> Um >> tiny. You going to share pictures while you come up with question >> on the tiny house? Tiny lot.
>> Is there any erosion control proposed? We're not proposing any just because everything's flowing into that that catch basin which does provide some sediment. >> So is there a salt sack proposed? >> We we could do a silt sack. I guess we
would probably need to touch base with DPW because that's in the town right away. Like if we were to do a a curtain within that catch basin or we could do a a a sil sack around right on our property right on that corner. >> I think you should probably include that. Yeah.
Soon as you see the little piece of all of a sudden you know just what you're looking at that you know I just some >> oh that house >> oh right >> sorry >> live here. >> So new terminology silac
is what you put into a catch basin uh and it's held up by pieces of rebar um and it catches any sediment that may flow into it. >> That makes sense. I'm just kidding. >> And then it gets so god off we have a
use of alcohol in it >> like a coffee filter. >> Yes. >> That's real technical terminology. Not used to that. >> Well, the best way to describe it. >> It is. >> Well, it's nice to have a nice a good analogy.
I use >> um >> there cuz um I believe most of our catch basins um go to the where yeah water um yeah that's I think adding that and
then just a small detail for any one else what are we looking Oh, hold on. I got something. >> And then Colby, do you have anything you to add or thoughts? I am so it's RDA so
they don't put it on their it doesn't come up on the the public website but uh in conversation with the circuit writer uh she had some questions for and we I emailed Trevor backward uh with this uh
their first question was the if there was an expansion of the original system and um that was addressed because It's three bedroomedroom system now and if anything it's a reduction of the system. Um they were concerned if it was going
to be closer to the wetland resource area and Trevor said that you know this is only the only allowable place for it to go. Um and uh
they were concerned about it being bordering land subject to flooding. >> Is this the circuit writer that's that had these questions? >> Yeah. Yeah. And but Trevor um is that your supervisor or
>> he's my coworker >> coworker. He he addressed him in his email. Um and the answer to that is that the entire system is being proposed in the ground. It will not result in an increase of grade in the area. Therefore, no flood
storage will be lost as a result of the construction >> because they see oh it must mean a mound, >> right? Yeah. We've had people, I forget who the commenter was, but they wanted us to do a full flood study on uh one of the
lakes in Ashreham for a septic upgrade. >> Doesn't surprise me anymore. >> It really doesn't like >> Yeah. Doesn't surprise me. Mhm. Same with the the flood plane
designations. Now, >> um was that it Kobe for the questions or that she had? >> Yeah. >> So, they all were addressed. Yes. So, um >> we have no public comments or anything to leave on this. >> No, not that we know. >> Okay.
>> Um thank you for reminding us though. There's no one else on there. Um, >> so I think add the add the sment control at the corner of the lot. >> Um, and then
just make sure Florida Health is all set and we'll motion to continue this part March 25th. >> So you don't make determinations until Florida helps. That's difficult. We got we kind of got >> we got screwed over other towns. So like
we do a lot in Ashb. >> Yeah. >> And they they're the refused to approve at a board of health meeting without conservation apparently. So we've been going >> So it's a horse battle, huh? >> Yeah. So that's why I thought that's like we didn't go to the board of health meeting last night because we thought we
thought we had to come through conservation first. >> Oh. Well, no, that's fine. It could be however you feel or however you think, >> right? >> Hold on. I'm gonna resend that.
>> It is. It is in the if any changes occur to the system, they it's their responsibility to >> Yeah. Um I I because it's cut and dry I guess
pending that you add the you want to run >> the sediment the sediment control in the corner right >> I'm okay I'm going to start over thank god no one second that
>> wait I just got lost It's good. >> Reset the GPS, >> right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We're going to pull the trigger on this one. >> This is such a cut and dry system. It's bordered on two sides by a road.
>> Okay. So, so you're saying that we don't really need to wait, but what the hell? >> It depends on how we feel on them. >> But there's no wiggle room anywhere. >> No, we're we're maxed out. We're 7 and 1/2 ft from the foundation. 7 and 1/2 ft from cloud. >> Yeah, it's tight.
>> And then we're 5.8 ft from the property lines. This isn't like the one that where we had that issue where there's wetlands are right there. >> Yeah. Okay. >> The wetlands are across the street, >> right? That's that's what I thought too when he was talking about it. >> So, look at that.
>> So, if you if you think it's pretty cut and dry, straightforward, I >> say it's been a while since >> it is a negative three. So I make a motion that we issue a negative3 determination um for the RDA at 41 lines
3. Second >> second >> with hold on with a standard order conditions or what how I can't think now my brain >> standard order
right with yeah plus um standard order condition or standard conditions u the addition of the salt sack or sedimentation barrier to the >> sedimentation barrier or salt sack either one of the two >> so it gets continued then n >> we don't get it continued okay second
in. >> That's why he stopped and said, "Let's rethink this. Let's get this guy." >> Oh, Pat second in. Sorry. Pat second in >> I thought I had >> 10 o'clock breaks on overtime here.
>> I know. I got to be at the hospital for 6:30 for MRI. So, let's go. >> Nope. >> So, we have a second roll call vote starting with Mike. >> Yes. >> James Duran. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes. It generally is. >> Sandra Lord. Yes.
>> Thank you. And >> thank you. >> No, that was >> Yeah, it's just different than other C. >> It is and and Sandra's concerned is our concern too with you know, but it's a different circumstance here. Surrounded
by Right. Right. >> Burn stuff. So, >> yeah. I just want to I you know, I just want to make sure that you know what I'm saying. >> Everything is fine, right? We're not We're all enjoying ourselves here. >> No, none of us appreciated what happened
at that meeting on test 10. That was >> I can see how we get >> gunshot I guess you could say. if the >> engineers >> the uh representative the applicant did a
good job advocating because >> yeah um 3.1 council Historic Society um Josh is here with Frank discussion about upcoming plans to perform restorative work on the Grisville and Coopridge
buildings permit types to be discussed if needed If I hang out with a historical societ, I don't have to explain to anything. >> You should or at le >> I'm a member. >> Yeah. Come on.
>> But I also can be objective. >> Just because it's 10:00 doesn't mean that it hasn't stopped. >> This is a a discussion. It is. No, no votes are being voted. >> Um, we're we're looking for feedback from the commission as to how to proceed
with per permitting for work at the gris. >> Still on my thunder. >> I'm sorry. I've been staying quiet. Um, so the towns and historic commission has um plans to and correct me whatever I said wrong. Um to repair the siding on the
the gristill. >> That's our next step. Yeah, ne next step is to repair the siding on the grist milll. Um, and some of that is going to involve the placement of scaffolding within well so all of all of that siding work is going to be within jurisdiction
of conservation commission because they're on the Cookook River there. Part of that is going to require the placement of scaffolding >> in the Squanook River which which they have done in the past. So that >> what year did they do? something new. If
anytimes it gets painted, we had to set stuff up. >> What year was that? >> You want to go back when the fire department used to do it for us? >> We don't. >> No. Yeah. Stay out of that one. >> So, what So,
Italian Historic came to me um asking about permitting. I had concerns um given that uh we were going to be within your jurisdiction. Um, I also kind of read through chapter 91 regulations. Um,
I think because the scaffolding is is it's not a temporary it doesn't fall under their definition of a temporary structure because that seems to be like a temporary dock that you seasonally put in and out is is is how I read their
definition of a temporary structure. So this this would be scaffolding just put in place for the for specifically for the the the work on the site. Um and
it's not going to remain per permanently and they're not asking to put scaffolding in there for a boardwalk that's you know seasonal to walk over the river. It's specifically for this task. >> We could tell people that though >> fire them up. So I consider it also has
to happen with the grist because this outside there is also >> that's a separate par parcel. >> Yeah. So it is >> what I'm looking for for my my client is the board's feeling as to whether they
would like to see an RDA for this or a full notice of intent. >> You're you're into territory we've never touched in terms of scaffolding. Um >> yeah but where has it been that we would have ever >> expected somebody to come in front of us
for >> construction? >> Have you? >> No. And you you obviously review chapter 91 in the WPA that you know it's not like you're putting um pile drivers piles into the you know
where you can put like huge scaffolding. >> All temporary. Well, those are temporary, too, but you still have that pretty heavy. >> We're not driving sheeting. We're not We're not doing a coffee dam. We're not doing anything that would impact the
flow of the the river. We just happen to be painting within the jurisdiction of >> Now you're painting and >> some of the sides. removing some of the siding repair and
>> yeah it is not going to just be one guy up there. So this stuff has to be >> Kobe had were you able to dig into any of this? >> Uh no I didn't think there >> I don't think it's anything. >> No no no it does. >> I'm wondering if this is something that
Colby could look into and we can talk about it next meeting >> because >> No, we're all at times. I get where you Yeah. Um >> do diligence shall say next week
is not >> the water. >> We're getting rushed into >> I can call and ask someone. >> You can do an RDA with special conditions. might be too tired right now. >> No, no, sorry. Because they gave me to
look for guidance. Um, and >> could you explain what the the two things that we're looking at here? So, I can >> an RDA and so we're looking for guidance from commission as to whether this fall would
fall within a request for determination of applicability like that that septic system that just came through there. There's kind of a lower burden of permitting and documentation, >> okay, >> for the work or a full notice of intent submitt which would which
>> but there's no you're not treasuring you're not filling temporary >> exactly >> even more than enough >> right the only thing that could if there's a heavy storm and water you know debris gets hung up on them but how
often do you see stuff you know all of the dam >> and that that's that's where we would the condition of of the notice of intent could specify or sorry of of the RDA could fall could specify when this work can be
done which is >> they they want to do it when the river is low >> you would want the the work done when when the the the river is low right >> but because it's you know the cons the the concern of construction debris >> no I mean that's like when they wanted
to do those the the bridges those little they wanted to put nets underneath. They wanted to put a >> Well, they put a tarp in I know. >> So, is this is what we're looking at that on the on the water side or we going to look for
>> So, and that was difficult because the water got high and >> and it's just wasn't the right way to do it. >> Yeah. This is different because you've got not just beams you're taking out or adding. You're you're taking siding down which is small splinter crap
>> and then and or sanding or >> shipping be done by a professional company. >> No, I'm talking the siding of the debris that they would also be putting down, >> right? Because we're going to have to look at if it's old siding, it's old paint. Old paint tells us what
>> lead. That's what I was just thinking. >> I wasn't going to say that word, but I'm just saying. >> That's what I was thinking about when we were talking. >> It is. >> But how how do we obvious Oh, yeah. No, it's >> so you How do we go about doing this?
>> I I What's company that's coming in? >> But how long is it? Is it going to have to be the bases? The footings are actually going to be in the water. No. You both had good questions and they're both valid.
>> Jimmy, you had you were halfway through. What? No. >> I wanted to know if it's if they're stripping the siding in old old house building. The worst that I would be concerned with is any of that paint getting dropping into the river.
>> Right. >> That's our biggest issue of leeching anymore. We should be concerned with it getting onto the ground all around there. >> Right. But you just ease my concerns when you said there's a production company coming in to do the removal of such.
>> So this staging is for their ability to work. They'll be doing on multiple sides of the building. We're starting with the east, north, and west sides and the summer and south side which was the water side. Yeah. >> When they're doing around the building obviously they put down a protective
layering up the proper way. We get to >> What was your >> So, when they're doing the side that's on the the river, the footings will actually be in the water. >> Yeah. I'm not sure exactly they're going to be using pipe staging or pole
staging, but they they will be sitting the people be in the water. >> And for how long would they be in the water? >> Yeah, >> a week. >> No, I would say a month. Just be >> Yeah.
>> for a month then take two weeks. >> Okay. >> Then then get permit for two weeks and then take three >> and you're looking to get go on it pretty soon. >> The the other sides, not the river side. >> Okay. You know this is not the best time to go Riverside. Spring's coming and a
little >> I do have a concern because I I'm going to play devil's advocate here because it well and I had I was uh living in a place where uh it's not lead but asbestous was being removed and they were supposed to do everything and it's
like as someone who knows really nothing about asbestous removal I knew what they were doing were incorrect. So I I don't know. I just devil's advocate. I mean, can someone check up on on them as they do it because I'm really concerned about
this lead paint? >> Well, so I would think that our filing to the commission would cover the scaffolding. We would discuss who is doing the work, what um what their credentials are, how how that process is
going to be happening. Um and um we could certainly include inspections. Um >> yeah, and you could adding too where it gets shipped, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Right. >> That sounds good. >> Um >> which which is all all things that I
could document in an RDA. >> And how can we do it for both >> the first mill and the bridge? >> They have to do two separate one for each address. I don't know
the along lock where it was two separate addresses together for agriculture. >> Well, not open. >> Are they the same deed? >> Is there a >> Is there a deed? >> They're a deed and I don't know. I think
they're I don't know if they're the same because they came from the swallowing. I don't know if they're safe or not. >> Okay. So I I guess if you're going to do it as as chair, I'd like to do it in one meeting even if it's two separate. >> So
two RDAs, one for each bra and a lot of the information would be the same. >> So some of the things that you want to include though is uh drawings of where the savings going to be placed and details of how it's going to be, you
know, placed in the river. >> Yep. I'm surprised it doesn't fall into one category under the historic society properties. What I wish >> would it be possible about the fee?
>> Huh? >> No. What are the standard fee? >> You should the fee waving the >> At least they're coming in front of us. >> Okay, I get it. for the second one. >> So, we're talking about inspections, too, though. Like, is there
>> That would be in our uh conditions. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Would it be possible to do an RD? Would it be simpler still in our jurisdiction to do the RDA for the three sides that don't involve the staging while we investigate to find out if we do have
the authority to do that one? >> I don't think those Well, they're not grounding. So that really isn't besides that don't involve that um is within our our jurisdiction >> even though it's within the >> working they're performing maintenance
on a structure. Oh, >> but when they start putting stab water >> once it touches the water that does change it gets their attentions. >> Yeah. So when you do the cover
>> okay >> we understand the schedule but >> it will be for the property. >> Well we'll submit two RDAs one for each property. >> All right but one >> hold on there's two things going on. You
>> I don't think we anything to do with an NOI. No, we I is everyone >> I would like to think that we could spare the the expense of an NOI. >> I don't see the need. This is temporary
>> because it just gets way more involved for us. >> Yeah. >> The cooper is granite down at the bottom, right? >> Yes. >> What about the >> Yeah, >> granted as well. Make sure you not >> you're saying the foundation. Oh, so
>> well no where what they put at the stadium's going to be set on the coupe bridge it's going to be on granite is all sort of 38 storm came through broken granite there the um Grisville if you do it like in late summer you're going to
be on dry ground the rivers but you're you're you're looking at protecting the stream bed yes >> you know they're going to say something about But >> they say they >> who >> the state
>> they will get a phone call or an email. >> I'll have information in that talking about >> and I assume that the company you're using for staging has done this before in rivers and >> water. That's the other part is making sure
that they've done they're an experienced contract >> in water. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I don't want it to be Oh, this was our first one doing >> Hold on. We We are We've gone off the rails.
>> Okay. This will be the last thing. So, you're pretty sure typical year, hard to predict that when you would do this, the the footings might not necessarily be in the water. >> The staging footing. >> There's always little puddles of water
at the little drops. Right. Right. >> There's water there. I'm not going to say, >> but it's the stream over the coming up through on the gristle though. It's a little bit higher. the tail race comes out. So probably
less than 10 ft of ground which at this point it's underwater. >> Yeah. >> So I guess part of this again the water >> some sort of construction management plan on how material is going to get brought in brought out or construction
debris brought out >> just so that all your bases are covered. >> Yeah. The construction debris is wrapped each day and shipped out. >> Yeah. Everything is taped up in the sent actually >> I'm assuming there's some kind of procedure in the contract that you have
with with the people. >> Oh yeah, >> it's very stringent too. It could be a procedure. >> So So yeah. So um so let's let's review that and and we'll we'll include any burned in information in the application. >> Can I just say something simple that we
had a house before we moved out this way. They told us we had lead paint and they said you have to pay 9,000 to have the lead paint removed. And we couldn't hire anybody. It was up to the people who are buying the house to have it
removed. They kept the money. They never had it removed. So, you have to be really careful and stuff because it could come back and bite you again. Mhm. >> Which is which is why we'll we'll we'll
be getting all the bill of lighting and all all the proper procedure. >> I've been I' I've been deposed in similar situations where a contractor didn't do that. So I'm pretty careful about that. >> Yeah.
>> Oh, you've been you got it was not fun. >> It's just an exercise. >> The only other point of it is we'll be working one wall at a time. We're not stripping the whole building one time. The contractor probably doesn't want to do it any other way.
>> Are you going to start to finish one wall at a time? >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. That's the plan. >> There's no asbesus to be worried about. Is there in any of this? >> There's no >> Okay. Are you going to try this with us?
>> I don't live in town. >> Oh my god. This is a marathon. We should This is like I think a record for tonight. >> Um almost as long as select board meeting. >> Thank you. I think we have our >> I was going to say that. Thanks guys. >> You're doing a great job though. Any one
of you could be selectman now. >> I think he's not question. >> Oh, who where >> I was just curious. Oh, yeah. Can we begin on one wall or do we have to wait a period? What? What's I don't want to
get in trouble here. >> Oh, that's a good question. >> Once we get once you get the permit, the IDA per doesn't matter how many walls you do once. >> No, we're not start. So, >> start as far away from the water as you can obviously. No, it's you're go you're
vertical. You're it's maintenance, right? Administrative approval. Yes. Okay. >> Simply this is it's this is the fine line that we have to you know follow of
>> this is maintenance. >> Mhm. >> You're not building anything. You're not adding on anything. You're performing normal business or building maintenance, >> right? >> It's just >> if you want an administrative approval, which I'm not going to discourage, >> he's not going to tell you no. It's
gonna be better to get that signature per and then just make sure you state what size. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We can >> I I encourage you to >> we can we can get something pulled together. Great job. Y >> the administrative
>> I don't know when in next if he's in tomorrow or Friday but um that part. Yes. The route. >> Yeah. But for Frank's part then we have to follow through the rest of this. This will be the whole thing. >> Okay. Yeah.
>> Um and then that way there's >> Was this part of the stuff that I would have been discussing at that Zoom meeting? I didn't >> maybe I'd like to thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um so you'll be happy to know
>> you're on camera. Be careful. You just got a brand new knee. I'm I'm >> I know you are actually walking fine. Less than a month, right? >> Five weeks. >> Five weeks. Yeah. >> Ming science. Don't watch me roll my face.
>> Take the elevator. >> I'm going to send out the to-do list. That's the way we're going to deal with that. >> Um, >> thank you. >> Thank you for joining us. >> Thanks, Jo. Welcome back for five weeks after
>> now. You can get yours done. >> I don't want to get my knees done. >> I've seen some people like three weeks. These don't really hurt. >> They do it. They go quick. Now >> it it they make That's why I don't want to do it. I'm waiting for another couple
four or five weeks. You can take a pill to have surgery. >> Um >> like these you'd have to eat all of them and your knees all fixed. That's cool. I'll do that. Oh, 4.1. Um, I really shouldn't be doing this because it's you don't you haven't submitted anything.
But >> it's up to you. I don't care. >> No, you didn't. You You decided to >> You've decided to retire >> or you going to stay? >> I mean, I'll come and pick you up when you have a meeting. I will come. I will get you.
>> I won't take the truck either. I mean like but you have to understand like last time I didn't come to a meeting because I was getting in an ambulance. >> I know I got the call. >> You know I can't say yes. I mean I'd like to stay cuz I do enjoy it and I you
know and everything and I'm learning a lot but um I didn't want to share with you guys and all the you know >> please stay going ahead. >> Please stay and stuff. So now >> um take to the 28. Think about it. See how you show the field. See how the MRI
goes. And like I said, >> if you need a ride, I don't have >> I'm going to be out a while. They said with the arm, >> right? >> So So you know, you no matter what, you at least >> put it off and if it gets worse where I
know I'm not definitely going to be able to come back, I'll put a note in. We we wish you the best of luck, chat. >> Thank you. This is going to be >> We get worried when you don't come. >> I have to talk to I have to tell Jimmy,
"Calm down. It's okay." >> Well, it's you know, you got to look at the Scooby snack aspect also. >> You're part you're part you're part of the team, Pat, >> right? >> That's that's truly the health is what it is, too. So, >> right.
>> Um, >> you do what's best for you, but >> I would like to have you here >> cuz I'm going to go to Haywood. I'm not going back to >> Oh, come on. They've got a few clicks going on. Don't worry. They're working them out. >> Um, >> items for discussion at the next
meeting. There's an update on the CPA and on the um >> uh conservation restriction for Spawn Cookook Meadows. We have several. We have a continuation for 2.1 which is 198 North End Road. Um
>> 2.1. >> Yeah. Is there anything else anyone wants to add? >> Um >> stamp it. I think we >> we keep the record. >> So it's not it's 10:22 right now.
>> Yes. Make a motion to adjourn at 10:22 p.m. >> Is there a second? >> See, Lori, we have late meetings, too. You know, >> she said something. Pat seconded. >> I know. I've been with you the whole time and I did the Friends of the Library before that
>> every single day. I know it's like crazy, but >> yesterday we started at 4 and we ended at 9:00, which was one of our earliest meetings, but it was 5 hours instead of 7 to 10. And you guys are always going
into executive and >> any one of you are happy are you know more than welcome to take out papers when we get two more and ex and have all the experiences that I've got to have
>> I did say Mike pot said yes. >> Yeah. Mike pot said yes for selectment. Okay, Jimmy. >> Yes. James Bryan, yes. >> James Gates, yes. >> Jim, yes.