Thank you for getting on. like to call to order um the October 22nd, 2025 Towns and Conservation Commission meeting at 7:05
uh p.m. I have a roll call vote starting with Mike >> Mike Pad present. >> James Gates present. >> Pat General present. James B. >> Mike, do you mind leading us in the pledge, please? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liy and justice for all. [Music] [Music]
Um, [Music] this meeting is being recorded. Is anyone else recording? quiet screen. Oh, this open make sure we can see
chairman's additions and or deletions. Um, we're going to add 3.2 two, which is COC 465 Adams Road
and then 5 actually 4.2 to land and water conservation fund grants. [Music]
um chair report. Anything I have have will be covered in the agents report. Um review and approve meeting minutes. We have minutes from 7:23 25, 8:13 25 and 910
25. Um the meeting minutes from 723 25 we had talked about last meeting and I needed to review and um something that I had question was that the right one >> there was something on each one.
>> Each one sure I didn't look at the other one. Uh 7:23 you were wondering >> I left the room yourself and the one after that is it 810 is that right? >> 810 >> 813
>> 8:13 Thank you. that one. Um, you wanted numbers added in for the estimates for the survey, >> the Meadow Road survey and the other properties, >> the Lenberg and Alyssa Drive,
the 2025. >> Can you add those into the August one? >> Yes. >> Okay. I didn't see a copy of it, so that's why I asked. >> Oh, whoops. [Music]
>> Um, I make a motion to approve July 23rd, 2025 as as is. >> I'll second that. >> Did I make it to that meeting? >> Trying to remember. >> Yes,
>> he did. didn't get the vote about starting with Mike. >> Mike pot said yes. >> James Gates yes [Music]
>> I like what you did. You added this. >> Yeah. >> Did you want to see it? So we added the actual estimates into the minutes so people can see it. I'm not sure if that's actually
allowable by the general law. I looked at and they said that to make a list of documents. If you look at the end there, um they they the law says to make a list of the documents referred to in in the meeting. So that's why I started on those two.
>> Um okay, that makes sense. I've also seen meeting minutes in the not in towns and but in other towns that actually include they reference them and then they include them. >> Yeah, they that's just part of the PDF.
Um so I make a motion to approve the August 13th meeting minutes as well um with the changes that Kobe had made. [Music] Second that said, yes. James Gates. Yes.
>> General. Yes. >> James. Yes. And then um 910. Um on the 910 ones, the Okay, never mind. It says it right in
the continuence. Um, does anyone have any thoughts? Did we have them print out Hanigans just because they were the highest we didn't? >> We included both so that it was transparent of what?
>> So, in other words, we wanted to see those Roy and Hanigans physically to compare what the numbers were >> in terms of the meeting minutes. Yes. Well, that's because we had discussed them in depth in at the meeting.
>> Yep. I just wanted to go back to it just to make >> you weren't at the last meeting when I brought that up. That's why, >> right? But I knew we had discussed at another meeting Hanigan was always the higher of all the bids that we had
gotten even on Meadow Road, etc. So, we automatically levitated to being on Yes. Sorry. >> Um
I think it's in the 910 meeting. >> No, he was he went backwards >> to something. We had already >> Sorry. >> No. Uh I'm just waiting for Mike and Pat to
see if they had any questions on the 910. I do not. >> No, I don't either. [Applause] >> Is there a motion to approve or a second? >> I'll second that.
>> Uh, someone has to make a motion first. >> Oh, somebody make a motion. That would be you. >> I'll make a motion to approve the September 10 minutes, 2025. >> I'll second. >> Mike Pot said yes. >> James Gates, yes. That one is
>> James. [Music] >> Yes, you did. >> Which one was it? >> September 10th. >> 10th. Approve. I'm sorry. I was looking at some new data. [Music]
If everyone doesn't mind signing in because we have a hearing um tonight, please. >> Do you need a pen? >> We have a pen right here. >> All right. 1.7 agent report.
I'm going to ask Kobe if did do you have an update also on the um oh my god the acceptance of the proposal for the surveying >> yes >> I know it was in the select board's
meeting I didn't know if they okay it so >> last night >> yeah I'm just it's in is it in your >> it is but you're not going to like let me just get get to it go through your stuff as as you need to.
>> Evening. All right. So, I'm going to start with that the wild and scenic grant. So, it I had a discussion with Nelson about how to proceed with it because he he's the procurement officer. Um, as you know, talked about this a little bit
before. um and he said he has a he's going to put it on yesterday's select board um agenda for approval and um I haven't gotten a word back yet
from that but I anticipate that tomorrow he's going to say that yes he signed it and it's moving forward but I have to get back from the horse tomorrow. Okay, >> inconclusive there, right?
My apologies for that. Um, the ID, we did not have any ID RFS uh this in the last two weeks. Mike and I did a site walk yesterday. Yeah, yesterday at 16 Meadow,
we met with Mr. Roy Greg, right? Greg Roy. >> Uh, we went over the property and we took pictures. Pictures are uh available on the in the share drive. I can also bring them up
hopefully. Zoom is kind of not working for me, but I'll try to get them up on the screen when we get to it. Uh we uh issued 27 uh we issue is not the right word. Um we
for 27 scales later I was I was contacted by a lawyer. They're selling the property. um and refernish them with a COC. It had been already been completed a couple years ago, but they
needed the document. Uh the problem was it never got registered at the registry of deeds. >> Um >> did they receive a copy of it? >> Yeah, I sent them a copy. >> Yeah, but >> but did they >> did they receive a copy?
You can't tell if it was mailed before the last four hours. >> I don't have anything saying uh if it got mailed if they received it or not. I assume they did because that's the normal MO for the conservation and there
was a signed random file um random documents. There was a signed COC for it. >> So, but they definitely have it now. Anyway, uh also 8 Lis Lane which was
part of the 91 Highland property which became the Coppermith neighborhood. Uh we we closed out a COC with them. Uh that was a partially complete because it it's a subdivision, but uh that same
same situation where uh the there's a the the property is being transacted being sold. So they wanted to separate >> off of um Copper Smith way lane. >> Correct. >> Over the other side is are they being
sold separately or is the whole >> No, they're all built out. >> They're all individual properties >> and it's all fragmented as they're all considered partial COC's now. >> They're all as they come in. >> I wanted to clarify that.
>> There's a whole $12.20 20 cents in late fees that we got back from uh let's see 65 Adams that's going to get covered. I took I did talked with Craig Burch about
the forest cutting plant for Meeting House Park. I have a few notes on that one. Yep. He's in uh he's in the process of uh coming up creating a contract for
that property uh for the inv uh infested trees there of red pine scale. He has decided that there's a better area for uh machinery and trucks to be enter that property. Uh it's two
actually two parcels that the infestation is on. Um and he likes down on route 19 119 a lot more where it's kind of air where meeting house old meeting house road um crosses
119 there's a couple Jersey barriers there but it would be more appropriate you said for >> so it's more to the east right on the bend. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that will be going out to bid.
Well, look, um, no. Uh, because he he arranges the timber sale, the contract that we he would sign with him. >> He puts it out to bid, but it is going to be put out to bid. I assume why
>> we're hiring him to do everything nuts. >> We want to find our highest dollar for the material. So he will do that representative. >> I just want to know if that's inclusive to how that contract is put together because that's of course fair to bid it
out. >> Yep. >> Also, we want to get our best bang with the b we do. >> So I'm sure you're discussing it with them, right? >> Yeah. And part of that is that it's a red pine and it's infested material at that. So he he's actually
>> it's going to be difficult to sell. Um and he has to use a couple different mills. He's the one main one he you um is going to intending on using. They can only take a limited amount of infested red pine before you know
>> through a rapid processing with it so it doesn't get out or is there a method to >> I think Craig probably can come and explain it to us. >> Yeah. All right. No worries. Well, I just >> I understand where you're going and I understand. >> Yeah. When when he gets a contract
about, he can speak a lot more intelligently about >> I mean, if anything, we should be lucky we're having something out of it at this point in time cuz Stain could have gotten into it, etc., etc. So, I >> I think we're fortunate at this point.
Yeah. >> That it's not going to be an expense to us. So, >> Exactly. Uh this see the same thing I didn't cover in talking. Yeah, he expects with uh to have a
forest cutting plan out within the next couple weeks. Um and that's all I got unless uh you think of something that I missed. I don't want to circle around to the logger again, but we're kind of on
it's a do or die. If we do not get it out in come spring, I think it'll whatever chances we were going to get anything out of that would be over by then. I assume
>> if we miss this winter's cutting season, most likely we'll have to wait till next winter because u >> right >> there's a wetland that you have to go through. >> Yeah. Um, so you really want those frozen soil conditions, drier conditions, and by then it's going to be largely
infested. A lot of blue stain will develop in your trees and it'll be almost >> junk. It'll be junk and it'll be we'll be spending money to remove them. >> Now, you know, you there is the option of not doing anything, right? But it's a
I would suggest that it's a you will become a safety concern. >> Yeah. You've walked up there. You've seen all the trees that are down already. >> Yeah. >> And >> from the in >> just from dying. >> Some of the smallers are going to drop.
Yeah. Okay. That go good on that. Yep. >> Um I think talking to Craig planning to have them um join us in the the November meeting because we only have one meeting in November, one in December.
>> Right. Yeah. I'm really hoping that the contract's done then and being come to present it to us. >> You might want to let them know though. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's a good point. Yep. >> And then find out from Nelson if there's anything special that needs to happen on
the administrative side. >> Yeah. Be nice to be able to decide then and sign it and get it going. >> Well, he would have to sign, but Yeah. >> Right. He's the the body that's going to get that rolling, which would be Nelson, of course. >> And that's going to stay in the coffers
of the meeting house >> technically. Yes. >> I mean, that's not going to go into the GF. Whatever money is obtained, that will go into the meeting fund. >> I I assume >> the way I understand it, but I think we
I I'll work on getting a solid answer from Um well >> or >> yeah it would be >> Nelson I was going to say your
person does the books but yeah um let me work on getting >> what on sincom >> no >> the the account thank you >> okay but I didn't know if it would end up
going to the GF first general fund and then from there they would have the meeting. >> I think there's probably >> sometimes once it goes to that account >> the detail none of us know right now and I but I understand where you're going with it
>> and I think the way you know activities on that property there's a a bank account tied to it. So I assume that any revenue or expenses associated with that property >> should go to >> go to or come out of that >> Yep. account.
>> It's only fair. >> Moving on anything? >> Nope. Nothing else. Um, was Greg Roy coming to represent his applicant? >> I expected him to be online. He said he
was going to be online. >> Okay. >> You can just say Jim's turn. >> He won't. I don't know how extra I can't get on either. I don't know why. [Music]
Hey, Harley, is there anyone in the waiting room by chance? >> No, doesn't show. >> Um, I don't see anyone. I'll double check. >> No, no one. [Music] >> I don't care.
>> Yeah, it's just two people. [Music] The applicant's not here. Kathy, are you here for anything special? >> No, I'm just here. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> So, I'll open the hearing, but
we don't have a DP file number yet regardless. What are we referring to? >> 16 road. >> This one here. >> Do you want me abstaining from that? Because I didn't go on the sidewalk. >> Three out of four of us didn't go. So
>> try. It's actually right on the road. >> I've already been there twice anyway on the last violation, right? within the the birds in the running water.
>> What was that? >> Bird cage in running water. Water fountain literally with a cage in the water. >> Oh, the water rose to the cage. >> Okay.
Um yeah, I make a motion to open the notice of intent hearing for 16 MO road. Um we do not have a D file number. Uh it is TWWB 2025-00007.
Applicant is Cory Patterson. Um and Roy, I believe it's Greg Roy, uh representing them. Um uh the proposed project is the grazing and of several out buildings and the
construction of a new garage uh within a 200t riverfront area and 100 ft wetlands buffer. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Roll call vote starting with Mike.
>> Mike said yes. James Gates. Yes. >> Jamal. Yes. >> James Brown. Yes. >> Um pursuant to the Massachusetts WPA. >> You guys ready? >> Um
>> just figuring it out. Pursuant to the mass um WPA and towns and uh wetlands bylaw, the towns and concom will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, October 8th um at approximately 7:15. We were asked to
continue it to this meeting. Um the hearing will be held virtually via Zoom and in person at town hall on a notice of intent filed with the concom by Cory Cory Patterson. The property is
located at 16 Meadow Road, map 28, parcel 35, lot zero. The proposed project is for the demo of four existing structures in the construction construction of a new three bay garage and driveway. The project takes place
within the 200t riverfront area and 100t wetland buffer. Parties wishing to speak in support of or in opposition to this application may do so at the meeting or in writing prior to the meeting. Copies of the application are available for review at town hall during business
hours. Um, so no one is here to represent this. Uh, so you guys are having a little discussion. We've talked about it a little but without a formal
presentation. >> Yeah, I didn't go on set a lot. We don't have a D number. We have nobody in the audience or on screen. >> So, are you motioning to continue? >> Motion to continue.
>> Do you want to continue without >> What else are we going to do? >> How can we proceed without a D number? >> Jimmy, continue another meeting. >> Oh, okay. Continue in that regard. Yeah. I thought you were wanting to keep >> No, I'm not going any further.
>> All right. So who's an eye just now? >> I just say >> cookie. Your blood sugar's low. >> I had two army toys in a good >> Don't laugh at me.
>> So there is no legend on this map. He does have it colorcoded which is nice but it really should have a legend. >> I just nothing. There isn't any legend. I look forward to >> Yeah. >> So
>> So is that something that Colby should tell Mr. >> I would wait for the Mr. Roy wait for the whole audience. >> Well, technically we can request that to be added. >> That's not a problem,
>> but I would prefer to have a full audience here. I mean, I have three questions out of the hole with it, too. So, >> okay. So, so just >> Mike is asking for you to correspond with
>> the engineer to update the plan for a legend, but other than that, we got nothing. >> Okay. Is there any other items that you want to use? >> Jimmy, your three things >> like I said for them. Is Chris is
>> No, it's Greg. >> It's Greg. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Pat, did you see anything on the plan that you'd want to see updated? You want a copy? Another copy. >> I want to say if there's anything like
>> obviously missing that we see this this would be in the best interest of the applicant. They can bring that through the next meeting. sense. >> I guess what I'm saying it would have been a little more helpful for me to get
out there and be notified of the sitewalk so I would be better familiar with the out buildings that are going to be removed and being able to get the stake out of the building.
>> Yeah, it I remember it as a wet area. We were out there what last year, Jay? >> Yeah, it was a couple years ago now. >> Was it two? >> I think. >> Yeah. Time's going by looking it was two years ago. >> So the flood plane has a gradual slope
but then it's pretty steep up to the flat where the house in the >> going up to where the other hand the houses are on that plateau. Correct. >> Well yeah is the flood plane on this base flood elevation. Okay. >> It is right here.
>> Yeah it is. I just saw it. So shouldn't that be a that should be a concour? What do you mean blind out? >> Yeah, I thought so. I could be like, let me reference the >> It's fairly flat. >> Let me reference the regulations.
>> As you can see up here is where it rises. It gets a lot higher right here. >> And some of these structures have already been taken down. I think these two are already gone >> in the existing dwelling. That's where they live. That's home base,
>> right? And this is two times >> two which >> twice the size of the house >> at least. >> Wasn't that every guy's pole? >> Indeed. It Yes.
Yes. >> Now, Mr. U, >> were you there with the owner? >> The owner what didn't come out? It was just Mr. Roy. Oh, okay. Yeah. But, um,
Mr. Roy did mention, you know, and I we tried to pin down exactly where the um uh the the um uh erosion controls would be and it's right seems to be close to the top of
where it begins to flatten out. He did say that if we didn't think that the um the silt fence and the waddles were enough that we could go with with straw bales as well. We'd be willing to do that. But you know, since I'm
the most recent guy to waddle in the town, I don't know which uh it seemed to me that would probably sufficient. Well, when is >> like I said these some of the questions
I'd like to ask you. >> So some of the things that >> are you ready? >> Are you ready with your pen? >> Yeah. >> He doesn't have a benchmark on here. Um he doesn't have a slab elevation for the
or footing elevation >> for usually top of concrete um for the >> Oh, so it's going to be >> proposed structure. >> It's not going to be 4 foot frost wall. >> No, it is I whatever it is. There's usually a elevation tied to the top of concrete.
>> Um 35. >> Well, Mr. Roy didn't know if it was going to be a frost wall or what they were going to do. >> So the long say concrete floor. >> Yeah. >> There should be an elevation tied to that. >> Okay.
>> So he's looking at an Alaskan slab. We don't even know if he's going to be doing the frost. >> No. That pick up uh that doesn't pertain to this. >> No, it doesn't. But it is >> not our problem. Well, it pertains it could pertain that because if there's a
difference in how much excavation there's going to be, then where do you then where do you put the >> spoil? So, there you go. So, there's missing the spoil >> pile soil disruption when if it's going to be an Alaskan slab, that's minimal disruption. If it's going to be 4 foot
frost walls and they're going to do a slab, >> so there's material out. >> No. No. So, there's there's the spoil pile location. >> Mhm. Um, I'm just going to keep reading through the regulations because I think >> I don't see a benchmark in
>> you know the limited disturbance. How are they going to grade this >> because I know it comes up pretty quick >> in that in that area. >> Yep. Is he running underground power >> to it? >> What swamp is that? That's dead swamp that that
>> I don't know. It's just unnamed. >> Hooks into Yeah, there there is. >> If you don't mind signing in, please anyone that's coming cuz we're we have a hearing. >> I don't think she signed in either. >> What happened to
>> So, u any electric service going to the structure needs to be um noted on the plan. if underground or overhead. >> Uh, mostly or it's the underground because of the ground disturbance and it
has overhead wire, but is he going to do anything from the house to the garage? >> 296. >> Mike, is the 35 ft buffer on there? >> Uh, the red is it the red line?
[Music] >> I don't think it's if if it is, it's not marked. I don't see the 35 ND. Uhuh. So, they're missing um quite a bit
on that. >> It's close to uh consider considering depending on how deep >> that might be. >> Why? It would be it would have >> six feet for a retaining wall and
there's 40,000 ft of disturbance >> that's missing. >> Yeah, but it doesn't call for a retaining wall on the planet. >> Is there a retaining wall on the plan? >> No, that's right. >> But it's retaining water
>> that it calls for. The foundation isn't considered as much of retaining wall, but that's storm water though. I can't we're not we're not allowed to discuss that >> which is the flood >> existing >> I've tried that before
>> still >> 296 >> um so there's also the 50oot >> benchm benchmark for the the slam >> so there's also the 50ft buffer I I I keep going reviewing the regulations for all of But I don't think
>> I would just ask >> review the regulations and >> so this set of this plan is a bit under nourish at best different details and like Michael said if it's going to be a 4ft frost wall
there's going to be that much more disruption you'd be getting into the ground water in that area too when you go down four feet. >> Yep. And then you got the what? footing >> a deatering plan that needs to be associated with it. >> So, what do you think?
>> Yeah, there's a lot of stuff they need to fix this. >> You have to look at the alternative analysis, too, and see if it's up to >> here. What was that? I thought I saw it.
Where is he? >> So, what >> did I add? >> There's the old I I don't even want to pro um Yeah. If he wants to present an alternative
fine, >> he can. I I make a motion to continue this to november. Um well, we go we keep reviewing regulations. Are you second? >> I'm second. >> Okay. My thought said yes.
>> Vote on that. >> No, >> you did. Okay. >> I interrupted. We got started. >> We will close. >> So next time what we do is make the motion to second it and then discuss the pearl.
Oh, I think it was second, wasn't it? Maybe not. >> Okay, so motion a second. Mike has said yes. James, yes. >> Pat Jal, yes. >> James, yes.
[Applause] Is that your copy? Mike doesn't go in. I want that same spot. >> Leave it to the boss not to show up.
>> Oh, you mean second in command. >> There goes the guy. Um, >> from Roy, you mean? >> Yeah, Stan's pretty much retired. Well, Stan is for the most part, right? He rarely picks. He picks and choose where
he's going to be. But there's We didn't get any, >> you know. >> Well, were they able to connect to anybody that was on the screen because it says two participants. Did >> were we unable to bring them on in the meeting? >> I don't know if they had problems at
home or >> is that why we would ask? >> I don't know if they tried to connect or not. >> I haven't received an email. I assume Kobe's monitoring his email, so >> we're good then. We're good. >> Um 2.2 Anna Wilkins is here with North
County Land Trust. Come sit at the table with us [Music] >> with cookies and >> and Scooby snacks. >> We offer them too. >> We have to buy rights. It's it's an open
meeting violation if we don't. off right now. >> I don't want to get into that. >> No, thank you. [Applause] How are you? >> Good. How are you? >> Good. Your arm enjoys. You can't say no.
>> We'll wait for Mike to get back. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> It's one of my favorites. >> Oh, it is. >> I brought some things to help us. Um, >> where are you based on? >> Uh, our offices are in Lemonster. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, if you don't mind introducing
yourself, the >> um the land trust, what you do, why you're here, and >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. My name is Anna Wilkins. I'm the director of conservation and climate for the North County Land Trust. We are a regional
conservation land conservation organization um based out of Lemonster. We uh cover 16 towns in north central Massachusetts >> from Winenden basically all the way to
air including towns and Lunenburgg um Shirley Air um Lancaster basically draw a circle around um Fitchburg and Lemonster and Gardener and those are kind of our communities in the north central Mass. So >> you have a good size field.
>> Yeah, >> good size. I mean, if you're going as far as winter I mean >> Yeah. Yeah. So, um we were started in 1992 um in Fitsburg um uh and um since then
we've conserved we currently hold um approximately 1,200 acres either in fee like we own the title to or the the deed to um and then we have another
500ish acres of concerter ation restriction which is private land that we enforce a uh ban basically on an easement hold an easement over the property >> it kind of holds similarity to Mount
Grace is to how they somewhat facilitate >> yeah are you familiar with Mount Grace >> I am yes I've been contacted been down to the property I know the current president well yes >> oh good yeah >> from Washington Yes. Yeah. Is that um
Yeah. Yeah. Phil. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know Phil. >> I delivered to a house full body. Yes. I did Win Root. So that's how I >> I got to know him and that he transitioned to. So that's why I I was able to gain they're interesting group and they I
think I'm a >> So they're they go from green fields basically to gardener. So they're in 23 towns and >> correct. um are a much bigger organization than we are. >> They they've expanded. I think you exceeded it 23 times. I think last I
heard it was like 27 or something. >> I'm sure. >> Yeah. So, um we actually work very closely with Mount Grace on a lot of projects because we overlap in six communities and um so but I you know I'm
it's interesting that they you live in Townsend. >> Yes. and and they've been out to see your property. That's interesting. I didn't >> is a friend as to because I'm struggling with what >> it's ultimate end game going to be with it. >> Great. Great.
>> You've got to >> Yeah. >> have conversations. He absolutely >> I got to know him. He got to know me. His cars and his wife for years. So, it was a personal >> Yeah. >> thing. I And he was interested to see it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um if if you
want to know more about it or our organization, happy to um kind of send along more information or email more information about it, but you can always find us on our website, see some of the projects that we are doing. Um,
so I was going to So, how familiar are you all with conservation easements or conservation restrictions? I know you are. >> Yeah. But even then, I'm I'm pretty green. We're all green. >> Okay.
>> We don't we don't see many of them. >> Yeah. >> When I joined, they were finishing one. >> Right. And do you all hold any I looked through the open space plan, but I didn't see >> I don't remember talking about any open
space meetings on that. >> We do hold a few CRs, but >> not a lot. We we have one for property down Rossback Bridge. There's a >> for river access there. Uh we hold one
actually with the state fish and wildlife property off of Wallace Hill Road. >> That's a joint. >> Okay. >> West be inclusive to some of that too. I wonder >> where which strip will the river access
on >> to the left side heading to your house. >> Yeah. If you're at your house, go across the bridge right to the left. >> To the left. >> Oh, the parking area. Yeah, that's a >> the original park. That's a CR. >> That's a CR. >> And it kind of it probably wraps around
to I think it's actually the second house. >> Yeah, it's a horseshoe. >> You know that we don't >> It's easy to lose track. >> It really is. And you're not alone in that as a >> meaning they just kind of everybody
forgets about them after a while and we just get so used to >> Well, and across the street from that one, there's a little postage stamp that you guys own. Uh in no not any No, because that that that went to the town >> to auction.
>> Yeah. No, not the auction. Just to take for >> Yeah. to have when when towns and conservation >> or land conservation trust merged with us. They not all of the properties came with us. Um, some of them, one of them
went to Department of Fish and Game, another one, and then there's two postage stamp pieces. The one with the towns and welcome to Towns and sign >> that used to there's like a tiny little I don't know how many square feet. It
was a tiny like thousand square feet of land that the the sign was on that the land trust owned and that went to the town. And then there was another piece of wetland and that abudded town property that the town took. Um
so anyway um uh part of why so a little bit of background conservation easements or in Massachusetts they're called conservation restrictions is a legal tool
that conserves land in perpetuity while keeping the underlying land owner as a as a private entity or a uh or a separate entity as the one that's holding the the the easement.
So you have the deed and you have the conservation easement or the conservation restriction and basically the conservation restriction goes over the deed um and runs with the property. the person or the entity, the entity that holds the conservation restriction
then has the the right to enforce that and the responsibility to enforce that easement. So the owner >> the holder of the restriction. >> So the owner stays separate. >> The owner stays separate. Two separate things.
>> The holder of the the conservation or the CR, they're responsible to um maintain the correct use of the property to they're responsible for um submitting the report annually. Make sure that things aren't I've had
different processes how they function with it. That's all I was just >> Yeah. >> reflecting back as to how >> some of my conversation was >> Yeah. >> how I would go about putting it in to full restrictions.
>> Right. Right. >> No, no houses, no, nothing. >> Yeah. Right. >> To stay the way it is now for 99. >> That's the thing you look at the one um for Campbell Farm that they that allows for a sugar shack. >> Yeah.
>> Because of the And that was done by Hoffman's over the years. >> Yeah. >> So there it allows different uses that are outlined in the deed so that >> it is in the restriction. >> Yeah. The deed is held for so it's outlined in the restriction.
>> Outlined in the restriction. >> Yep. >> It's so that it's >> um followed in perpetuity, >> right? >> In the future, >> right? So, so, um, land trusts can hold conservation restrictions on town land and towns can
hold conservation restrictions on land trust land. And what that is is like a double backup, okay? To make sure that, you know, the town uh isn't going to sometime forget that this is article 97
land and put something on there um or whatever or um some there's there's lots of different reasons why you would want that double backup. Um and same for um some people um you you know it's just basically
keeping each other in check in terms of that your promises are kept in terms of the the uh conservation uh >> keeping it in conservation right >> so both entities basically watch it on each other >> yeah it's like you know you know you
know the commun's not going to do anything >> uh to their land that's untoward. But what if, you know, the neighbors come in or what if, you know, some concom chair decides that tennis courts on the, you
know, on the uh over the forest is a good idea, good use of it or whatever. >> Seen some interesting things. >> Yeah. So, >> certainly. So, um, way back when, I want you to go way back to 2021,
[Laughter] we're going to time travel for a second. The uh, Towns and Conservation Land Trust was still in um, around and they were working towards figuring out what they were going to do. They have two wilderness areas and I have air quotes
around there. There's one on uh West Meadow Road next to the conservation area that you have. Uh and there's another one off of Greenville Road. Um the land um kind of near Brooks Crossing uh development.
>> Now when you say this is land trust fishing gain >> land trust >> land trust not not part of the conversation. >> Okay. So what you're talking about on >> towns and land trust land. Yeah. That would be what we just surveyed.
>> Nope. >> On West M. Why are you referring to that? >> Well, I can show you. >> I know. I should know. >> I will pay pass some of these out. And unfortunately, MassGis kind of crashed today. So, I wasn't able to do the
lands that I wanted to. Um, we can take one. This is West Meadow. um which is and this will give you a better sense. This is an older map but it has like the it's basically deed reference.
West Meadow is down here. >> I live on West Meadow. >> Okay. So this is the West Meadow parcel that we're talking about that says Torres here. >> Yeah. >> And this is the Greenville Road area that we're talking about. And then so this is kind of the overview. Um and
then those are the close-ups. And this is what you get from GIS. >> Well, this was my GIS map that I went did a long a while ago to try to track what goes where. >> Okay. >> But this is so this is the Brooks
Crossing development. >> Yep. The one Jimmy did. Y >> and I think there's a development a housing development going next door. >> So that nice >> I know. We talked to him and he was like >> states to us. So that's because the the
the the >> prior >> the prior one the the folks that donated to the towns and >> which to Yeah. And then >> about I got it. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So when towns and land trust went to fun
because the land was deed to you. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> So and they didn't even go to funk. They just rolled themselves into >> they just merged. They didn't. >> Yeah. >> So the >> so the so this is West Meadow and that's
Greenville. And the reason why I put those on there because at that time I was trying to figure out which which deeds went to which thing. >> Okay. So that the one on Okay. So those are landlocked on green. >> Yes, those are landlocked but we have
access through the green space. >> Totally. So towns and conservation land that's ours. >> Yep. >> Um and then Okay. So you own the L piece which is 43 acres. >> This Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> This and that's what 43 acres. >> Yeah. >> Good. Nice. >> Yeah. It's great. Um >> and it's all wooded forestry. >> Yeah. It's >> you have zero open minimal wetland in that area if I recall.
>> Yeah. There's not a lot of wetland. There's a little bit of on this on the Greenville one. There's like a little bit of headwater stream that comes out of it. As you can see, >> Greenville Road, Greenville Brook. >> Yeah. >> And then >> Lock Brook crosses, but just a little
bit, >> right? I have Lockbrook going through my back. >> That's great. >> Yeah, it's a happy little I like it. >> Um, so way back in 2021. >> Oh, yeah. Those are for your and and I
um sent them to Colby as well in PDF files. So >> Oh, good. >> You guys would get it that way. >> Um way back in 2021, there was a group of us that were putting together a forest legacy application.
Forest Legacy is a federal grant program administrated through the US Forest Service. And because it's a federal program um that basically the the the point of the
program is to protect forests as forests and have them be part of the working landscape and and not converted from forest use. So at that time the forest legacy program reimbures costs up to 75%
and requires a 25% match for the whole project. So it's a federal program which means you're competing with with grants from across the country. Here in mass here in New England it's um and you need a
minimum of a thousand acres just to apply. So here in in New England, what that takes is a lot of project partners and a lot of land owners to participate to put a project together >> to accumulate a thousand acres. >> Yeah. So we did that.
Part of the application was these two pieces going from towns and conservation trust or with a CR that North County Land Trust would hold that that they would donate the value of as part of that 25% match for the
project as part of one of the 20 tracks of land that are in this in this big grant program. Well, we didn't get the first round, but we were told to resubmit and we resubmit and we got the second round. Well, during that those years that all that
happened, towns and conservation trusts merged into us and now we can't hold a conservation restriction on our own land. So, we'd like to keep these parcels still in the in the grant program and
donate the value of their development rights to a holder, but we need a holder. And so, what I'm doing is is going to ask you all to consider being that. And I don't need an answer now, but you know, within the next
>> give you an answer now. >> Yeah. Well, well, I'm I'm I'm not gonna That's for you guys. >> What do you need to answer by? >> I So, we have to close on everything by June of 2027, which gives us a year and a half. >> That's
>> So, we have time, but we don't have a lot of time. I was hoping maybe a month or two or, you know, just beginning of the next year >> having the CRS in the works or review. >> No, no, no. I just need an answer from
you whether or not you guys want to >> be well in a year and a half. >> Oh, in that year and a half. Yes. Everything we need to be closed and everything. But >> we need an answer by the end of the year because we only have two more meetings. >> Basically, that's what it's by at the end of the year. We're going to we >> would be helpful because then I have a
Yeah, >> that gives you that year a year and a half a full year. >> Put it all together accumulate. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> One quick question. What was the acreage on West Meadow? Again, >> it's 14.81.
>> And that one was surveyed during just before the um March >> with Greenville, >> which we just got done. >> Yeah, we we just surveyed the parcel next to it. >> Oh, nice. >> It is next to it. And that's 22. And then another one was
>> 22. >> What was it? >> I don't remember. Um it's a it's >> it's a good size. >> It's a good size. >> Yeah. >> Oh is 32 >> total. But they were two separate, right? >> Yes. The uh so 32 and then
>> so if we say we're interested then you the land trust >> would uh write the itemize what's on the restriction bring it to us and if we agree then then we can move forward on it. But who actually writes the
restriction being somewhat involved in this other restriction that can be fairly complicated. >> Of course, >> that's why I asked what has to be done in a year and a half because I don't I do have a understanding that it does take that probably a year and a half to
do it all as you guys know too. >> Yeah. And there is so there is a force legacy template. There's certain language that must be in there because of the grant program. Um, but I would do all of that because that's part of um
what I do. >> So that that's your aspect of that's your piece of that whole process. >> Right. Right. So I >> will you be sending out all the basic and pertinent information over to Kobe. >> Yeah. Yes. >> If he hasn't already started to receive
some of it or >> Well, yeah. >> We have to give her the answer. Yeah. >> Yeah. I I'm not I'm not going to do any work until I have a um you know a sense of because if you guys pass on the on
the opportunity I'll frame it like that. Um then I have to find somebody else to to hold the restriction and I'm not really sure who that would be. Um it >> in towns in other words >> in town.
So if it wasn't conservation, it would be >> Department of Fishing Game maybe, but they don't like to hold restrictions. I don't, you know, they they might from an Gagman and Pat that they don't that's been >> they don't do
>> well. No, I I think I think you know it's not for them. they would tend to want to >> it would like to be they like to be adjacent to a piece of property that they already own >> then they would consider it
>> more likely just because of their the way that they allocate >> very familiar we've done a lot with over the years >> yeah so I've talked with an and she said I don't think we I don't think my land committee would >> go for that >> go for that >> an would be she would not
>> right >> you know simple as that >> so is there an expectation that the holder of the restriction monitor well we monitor the property but go out onto the property once a year check on it I mean what's the what's the monitoring process
>> or will you provide training for us >> yeah so I will say this best management practices are annual visits it's there's nothing in the CR that says that you have to
uh some organiz organizations go decide that their monitoring visits are going to be spaced out every two years, every 5 years depending on property. Um, obviously for for lower risk properties,
I think these because they're owned by a conservation organization that will have a a forced stewardship plan that you can see. and uh you know understand if there's management
activity it's going to be within that >> and it and it by requirement it has to stay forest it has to >> in other words we're not going to sit there oh yeah we can defoliate that whole area from some solar panels to access >> there's no like yeah right >> right not happen
part of the legacy the forest legacy template what do they call um or how do they manage their forest do they do select what to harvest or >> so the the the forest so the forest it only requires
that you have a forest stewardship plan. It doesn't require you to cut. It's just like so you could have the forest stewardship plan be for wildlife before some old growth characteristics.
You could have it for >> think of North County Land Trust. >> Yes. Um, in in those regards for the properties and towns, >> I think I mean we definitely are are
I don't I can't say right now like that we we haven't talked about like >> prescriptive management. I haven't walked the land with a forester for him to say like oh you know you know like for example we have a forester that we work a lot with. We just did a climate
uh resiliency forest stewardship plan and as part of that we're actually planting certain species of trees in within the forest to help uh diversify the stand as the climate warms. There's different species that are going to be better adapted to
>> call into the increases that they're expecting to see. And so those are the kinds of management you know you might take down some of the you know ash trees that are dying uh and replace them with hickory or something like that. Um so
you know or whatever like >> but the plan is to ma actively manage the bars for the growth and or for the best health. >> The the plan is to um do what's appropriate for the for the land according to what's out there.
>> Okay. that is developed as you start to write the >> I haven't I haven't we haven't gone to that point yet. >> Okay. >> Where were um creating management plans? >> So the reason I asked is I I know fish and wildlife like buy land and just let
it be. >> Yes. >> They don't really do anything. >> Right. Right. >> And I've been very vocal in the past about >> Yeah. But I think it's because we see what the benefit is is to good forestry management. I mean I understand the concept of old growth or riparian areas
etc etc but >> management >> is no different than agriculture you know the forest areas need to be groomed they need certain cutting areas for new forest to come up and grow I mean
>> yeah and and I think you know that when I walked this property >> best management planning >> yeah when I walked this property Which one are you looking at? >> This is Greenville Road. >> Greenville Road. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There was some It's super dense with
fountain laurel and super um there are some really interesting rock outcrops. >> You've got some very rocky area. >> Heath woodlands there, too. >> Um it was it was really quite an interesting
>> It's different. It's it's very and it's very varied even within the property because of the different uh elevations like you had these vernal pool areas and then you had like it's very interesting. So I'll be interested to see what the forester I mean we're going to
>> what is recommendations. >> So I'm Pat I'm going to throw it to you. He's been quiet listening. >> I'm just listening. Yeah. I mean, because I don't know a lot of the properties around here, so I'm like listening to where they are and
>> and everything and his thoughts. >> Yeah. What types of projects are you looking to get funded through this program? You mentioned the 75% >> project funding. >> Yeah. So, so this is I mean I'm just I
mean so okay this is actually the list of the 20 tracks of land that um are in the the current grant application that these parcels are part of >> and that accumulates 500 acres you
thousand this is actually >> a total of I think we have 1,800 acres now >> and MG probably doubles where you guys are. >> Oh, grace. MG.
>> Um well, they're not a part of this application, this project. They have they have like I don't know. They've they have like 2500 acres that they hold. >> I think >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can absolutely
have a copy of this. Um >> Kobe, why don't you repeat that question? >> Yeah, sorry. Say that again. So you So >> the funding >> about the funding. What's being funding? >> Yeah. What types of projects do you use?
>> So it's very prescriptive to the actual application. Okay. So in our application that was funded, >> there's 20 tracks that were part of it. Um, one of them was dropped out. Like it's
it's a little bit complicated to track exactly the linear because it goes over five years. I'm working on I'm working with one with tract number five is a tract in in Fitsburgund [Music]
almost 50 acres 149 acres um of forest land um CR um and then there's another tract that I'm working on in Lunenburgg another 45 acres um and protection of Musbrook
um so uh there's a few projects There's uh two tracks of land in Peril. There's tracks in in Lancaster. There's tracks in >> um uh Bolton and
uh let's see Ash ashby. >> Beautiful Ashby. Let's move up to Ashby. >> Yeah. So, >> what are the tracks in Win? Do you know which ones those are? >> There's no tracks in Winston for this project. So, what I'm talking about is
only these projects. And on the back of that packet is the map of where all the different tracks are across the um across the project area. >> So, you can read more about the
the the grant application that was funded. Basically, we were funded for um a total of um $8 million. >> Nice. >> For all of those 20 tracks
>> and >> federalally funded. >> Yeah. >> These are I'm going to forgive me if you answer this, but these are tracks that North County Land Trust own. >> No, no, no, no. These are tracks that all the partners are working on. >> Okay. I am working on three of these
tracks. >> Okay. >> And then other partners are working on the other tracks. >> And and I'm I'm the coordinator of all of it. >> Okay. >> So that's my role. >> My girl. So what was it? Seven or eight
million. What was it? So 8 million and then the cost shares three million that we um have calculated which is basically certain many many land owners are saying they will take 75% of full fair market
value uh and they're the so they're doing bargain sales and then the 25% value that they're donating goes into the project match and then there's also things like my time and like lots of things that >> go into that match. one, you know, let's say you're projecting 10 years in the
future when whether the property the parcel is not managed, minimally managed, uh, heavily managed, who pays for the management does >> we do. >> The land trust that we would not, we hold the restriction. We just hold the
restriction and >> you hold the restriction and if something bad happens, >> we recommend to you, we say you should come look at this property. We think that maybe something should be done and then you take over. Um the only thing you're looking for is if the terms of the restriction are violated. That's it.
>> Okay. >> What are you seeing mostly with some of these people that are rolling the property over if you are you seeing older people >> putting property in trust? >> You know what I'm gonna give you my card and we will have a conversation younger
people you know. No, it's and it's and it's actually what's happening is there's a there's a transfer of wealth and there's a transfer of title of land right now because you know the baby boomers are transferring to the next
generation. >> So there's a lot happening. >> Oh there is I'm seeing a huge track going in that world. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I'm happy to talk more about strategies. I would definitely Yeah. And
and conservation, especially, you know, if there are priorities that you all have in towns and um you know, we can look at that as well. >> What are they, Jimmy? What are priorities in town? >> We could do that at a different meeting >> because I'm sure that's a long story. And I don't want to keep these people
waiting more than you. we just >> but um but I'm glad to hear that um you're at least thinking about that. Um so so this is a big this is a big project. This is a small piece of a big
project and basically what we would do is donate to you the conservation restriction so that the value once we get the appraised number >> yes and that number would go into the
cost share okay >> for the whole project to help leverage all of these tracks. It's not going to be a lot of money, but it'll be something. >> Purpose of the restriction on these properties to lower the value of the property.
>> Uh, no. The purpose is to keep it protected in perpetuity. >> Yeah. >> If I mean the the we're not >> you can't lower value the value of land anymore. >> Okay. Maybe >> maybe try to explain that again.
>> That's a requirement for the this legacy program is that you need a conservation restriction on the property because it's already some of your property is already landed. >> Yeah. So the federal government doesn't consider a private nonprofit
even if you say that you're going to protect it in perpetuity. The federal government doesn't believe us. >> Okay. >> Which is okay. I mean >> it like I I don't think that there's there's not a there's not a problem with
having a backup. There's not a problem with having an extra seat belt in terms of the protection because say we get some crazy board president that you know thinks that um you know we should pave
paradise you know you would be the back stop right to say no you can't pave paradise >> she's referencing us developing open space on Dudley Road >> is that like the ballroom going on at the White House kind of a concept I I
don't I don't know what you're referencing, but I >> but I uh >> Okay, let's uh bring this back to where we need to be. >> Okay, so I final question. >> Yes, Mike. >> So, your years of experience of trying to talk people into holding
restrictions. >> Yeah. >> Uh at face value. >> Yes. Knowing what I know now, it would seem a relatively simple thing. If we hold a restrict, if we held a restriction, >> Mike, could you go out and, you know, annually check this part of land, see
what's see what's up? That sounds very simple. >> So, in your years of experience, why have people chosen not to do it or is that so rare that people choose not to do it? What's the reason? So the reason
um is if you if you have open space that is in a high high-risk area. So say you have a lot of a butters that have a use you know. So, imagine that you have like a shopping
mall plaza or like a a mini mall plaza and then conservation right next to that mini mall plaza and then um a a bunch of houses and you know a oil change. >> Well, I I can see where you're going up. Okay, I get it.
>> So, and then somebody's like, "Will you >> make sure that all these people behave themselves and don't do stuff to the land?" Um that that might be something where you'd where you'd pause and say, you know, do we want to police all of these abutters that have different
owners and different ideas about what the woods mean and >> different all of you know and might be dumping their oil into the or might be you know >> or not just whatever >> we yard ways there's I mean all sorts of things where where it's like listen you
know you're going to have to so that might be one where you say, "Oh, I don't think we can do that." Or if it's on if somebody says, "I want you to protect my property. I I want a CR, but I also want to be able to um have my like my uh my
nephews come and rip around on their ATVs. And I also want to be able to um have my >> time for the firewood, something like that, >> you know, or whatever." >> Yeah. continuing circumstances in our
situation. There's one of some of them even life I guess, right? >> Yeah. I mean, this one has access through the open space of Brooks uh crossing, but yeah. >> All right. Yeah, you can answer it. >> Okay.
Some reasons. >> I I I'm fine with I I think it's a good opportunity. It's a great way to um kind of keep the course of our commission going the way it we all work
to do. >> But I'm solely one vote of the commission. Not that we have more than we only have five right now. So >> we're growing though. >> How much of any of these properties that
you hold are in active agriculture, if any at all? of our current holdings like of North County Land Trust. >> US North County Land Trust >> um active agriculture >> is it invited is it
>> or let her answer the question. >> So >> collaborate from that. >> Yeah. Yes. He he's he's not trying to catch you >> but he Yeah. Is there >> that's like when we see fishing game
allowing agriculture on property? >> Yeah. >> I mean, we are >> Does North County Land Trust have an interest in protecting land in agricultural use? >> Absolutely. Absolutely. We we haven't
worked with a lot of farmers. >> I know. We need as much help as we can get now, >> but it's mostly because um we're a smaller organization and my background is in wildlife and forestry and so
>> that's something that I think >> I can connect you with Margaret Scarsdale with because she does some stuff with the agricultural commissions of the area. >> That would be great. >> Um >> yeah, >> Margaret's been really good about it. >> But Jamie brings up a great point. um
about protecting land and egg and having an entity to a smaller one that we could pull back or have a discussion with say, "Hey, we know about this property for sale. Are you interested?" Because you have the resources pulled together quick. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Because there are properties out there that >> Yeah. So, I would love to maybe allow you guys to I don't know if you need more discussion time or or what or if you feel like you
want to sit on it a little bit or review some of the you know project description. >> What are Pat's lots? >> Yeah, Pat, >> James, stop coming back to me. >> No, you know we always sticky with the >> I know you do. You guys always
>> the wise one. And if you need more time to read it over, we read it over. We can talk about it next meeting. I know Mike had something that I think he wanted to say. I'm gonna >> Well, I was just wondering where you were going. You started to say something that I was wondering where you were going with your >> for the in regards to
>> in regards to perhaps agreeing with this or are we going to table it for further discussion? >> Um, >> which is Yeah, which I was expecting. I kind of I want to see what Pat's thoughts are, if she wants to keep reading it and spend a couple more
minutes looking at stuff or >> or if she needs time to think about it. >> I don't I personally listening to this and being involved in other projects and um understanding, you know, that it's not my opinion. It's my opinion only.
>> We always leave it like that. it. I feel that it's better to protect lands with a private entity over a state entity. Um, that's my opinion.
Um, but I I I like having a relationship with North County Land Trust. We've done trail cleanups with Emily. It's just um >> Yeah. And Mike, you're working. She's our uh director of land programs and
does stewardship and volunteering. >> Or she grew up in Graten. >> Okay. She goes out trail cleanups and gets involved and >> Right. She's active in it. Good. >> Oh yeah. >> But Mike's also working with the conservation restriction for meadows on
the soccer field. >> Um >> which I I forgot to send that, didn't I? >> What? I forgot to send the the marked up draft of that. >> Oh, what the do we have? >> The Yeah, there's a draft conservation
restriction for that. Um that was a misa and I really didn't like the template that >> uh the >> we spent months on >> that. Yeah, it's not it wasn't your work. It was the template itself. from the template.
>> Natural Heritage has a really um basic uh it's Yeah. Anyway, there's a better template. >> So, in other words, you have somewhat of a disagreement with how natural heritage laid it out.
>> It's just I think that no basic what you mean by they have a set standard, a template for all of one fits all. I wasn't trying to lead the conversation in a certain direction. Personally, I I I feel comfortable. I I think it would be a great opportunity
for the town. Um I do as well, >> you know, and we can do you someone can make a motion and second it, but I also want Pat time to um give her feedback. I
>> you conservation land. You you you say >> well done. That's right. >> I have another >> What do you What do you think of it? >> I mean to it. There's I mean there's a
lot to it. I like to be able to digest a little bit more of it, you know? I mean your time with this but >> right I mean what was she looking at 27 year and a half to put a lot of this
together. Yeah. >> Yeah. A lot of >> a little time >> when you send it to the state for review or EA and it takes time. >> Well you make the motion. I second it and we'll see where it goes. >> You make a motion. No,
you know that I haven't done it very often. >> No, you can. Go ahead. I make a motion that we consider or accept accept the opportunity to hold a restriction on the North County Land
Trust U parcels in uh West Townsen as part of the >> legacy legacy >> track number 10 A 10B >> right pieces of and Binghams
Okay. So be it. >> I guess that's it. >> There was a motion. >> Is there a second? >> Is there discussion? >> Colby, do you have anything else on? >> Do you have anything else you want to weigh in on?
>> I know you're trying to keep notes or take notes, but >> did you you seconded it but did not vote on it yet? >> You haven't voted on it yet because we can discuss it first. discussion on on the motion. >> Well, and I I'm
checking in with our agent because we rely on your opinion and we appreciate it. >> I had thoughts a couple minutes ago. >> Hey, well, you fit right in with the rest of us. Sure. >> Are you sure we're the slow entity to
hold this conservation restriction as opposed to some another program with forestry foundation also? They do bring a lot of expertise. They have a lot of a lot more staff
>> than us. Yeah. >> Hi. >> Do you know if they have anything around here? >> They do. The West CR. Um >> Oh, the West property that just they just put that, >> right? That just went in >> the uh Yeah, the
>> just 66. >> Yeah, there was I think they did two there. There was a recent one and then there's the older one, >> right, >> that the put in. >> Yeah, >> correct. >> So, >> and then the daughter took the property of I think. Yeah, I can put the rest of
the track in. >> Yes. And that's through Yeah. Anyway, so they do although I I will say that I have talked to them and they're not interested in anything this small. >> So they are they really and they're
looking more >> into Maine because they have this whole initiative about carbon credits and >> forestry and all of that. So, um, they were really not interested at all in something this small. >> The other thing is that there's townland
adjacent to the West Meadow. So you are already gutting >> um that parcel and then on the other one on Greenville Road there's townland >> very very close like within you know I
believe um what is this the landfill or something or >> fishing gang just got a big >> this piece here. Yeah, that's landfill. That's why I knew >> the town landfill. It goes all the way like there's literally >> the parcels that are in landlocked on
Greenville Road. It really is the land the town. >> This is ours and that's where we have access. And so there's this little gap and we're >> to potentially have them donate >> close to
>> across the street. >> Yeah. Yep. >> Okay. >> Yeah. The land. >> So that's why I was thinking, you know, it is in proximity to other >> lands of interest that the town is keeping an eye on anyway. >> Um but you can disagree with me.
Absolutely. You can absolutely disagree with me. >> He will. >> No. I I you know, especially the one in West Meadow, it makes sense. >> Yeah. Yes, it's right. It's in between the two of our um parcels, but you know, we have a
motion and a second. Um do you have anything else you wanted to add to the >> That's a good question. comments though before we just >> Well, um, no, but I guess uh it's a good chance to ask for advice on some other
CRS because there are a couple other CRs up off of West Meadow that could be relatively small that could um be a corridor and connect a couple properties that are already owned by the conservation restrictions
or in of >> Yeah. Commissioned. >> Yeah. >> Um and also I'm going to be giving you a call for advice on multi-age housing in their requirement for conservation restrictions, which is a very
interesting. Did you say multi? >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. For the age restriction, you have like little park little postage stamps you have to do. >> Yeah. >> If you could >> Yeah. I'd have to come uh look at the
>> plan. >> Yeah. Is there a plan? >> There's two. We have two in. >> So, I'm going to reel this back in. >> Um No, >> because that's something that we're going to have to deal with at some point. >> I know. I'm sorry, guys.
>> Yeah. Move on. No, this is none. This is nothing. I I just I try to keep >> I just try to do my job this >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but don't forget that all that stuff will be because we have we're going to have to deal with that soon across the
board. It's not just probably one thing you have. It's a bunch of them. >> A couple already. >> Why don't we set up a time where I can come and meet at your office and talk about those things. >> And then there's also, you know, we want to talk about the egg side of things
too, but for >> what you came to talk to us about. >> Yeah. So, there's a motion on the table. >> We don't care. There's a motion on the table. >> Motion a second. If there's anything else, any public comment, any other feedback? >> I'm good. I can sit and ravel.
>> Roll call vote. Starting with Mike. >> Mike says yes. >> James Gates. Yes. >> Yes. >> Um James stay on it. >> I don't want yes or no on it. >> Now's the time. >> No.
>> But you're just abstaining from the vote. Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. >> And um in the summary at the end is my uh email and cell number. >> Okay. >> To the Lemonster
>> um >> office. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, you obviously live local then I assume. >> Well, I live in Ashurnham. >> Okay. So, you're familiar? >> I grew up in Gardener. I My husband went to Fitsburg State. I don't know what he
wants want to know. >> No, no. I I meant >> He wants to know if he can trust you. That's what it is. >> He knows the area. >> Oh, yeah. >> You know, that's that's important. You know, >> he doesn't like outsiders and I don't blame him. >> Well, you know,
>> I I could smell him from a mile away. >> But I um but I know a lot of folks and >> yeah, just you know, >> I'm happy to I'm happy to be here. Um, thank you and I'll I'll send uh Colby next step up. Um, >> please
>> and thank you all and thank you all for your patience. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Anna. And see you soon. >> Yeah, I'll see you about where where were we? >> Megan.
>> Huh? >> Megan. Oh yeah, you saw that. Sorry. >> 2.3 uh discussion with Sandra response form. You want to come join us again? >> We're hoping to have both our missing
commissioners, but we have one and you know the other one. So, >> thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Hello. >> You can sit. You don't have to. Thank you.
>> You don't have to give the whole spiel, but um Jimmy Dorian wasn't. >> But that that's goes back to the bibs. >> Uh he was >> unless you wanted me to have that as a double. No, I don't need it.
>> This is just meeting. >> It's just right. >> I'll collect paper. I'll clean up. Um, Jimmy wasn't here at the last meeting. If you don't, you don't have to go through every little thing, but >> not that I matter. I don't
>> um, I love what's written on the website about the conservation commission. Um, >> what's written on the website about conservation commission? I didn't hear it. >> Jimmy doesn't do the computer. >> I don't do the computer. I don't like them. uh services include renewable
lands coming out of chapter 61 management of old meeting house park and other conservation land general promotion of conservation activities within the town. Towns is home to the Squan Creek area of critical environmental concern and has significant conservation land that provides excellent wildlife habitat and
any recreational activities such as hunting, fishing, canoeing and hiking. So in plus responsible for the wetlands enforcement of wetlands protection act the towns in general wetlands bylaws and the squanacook static act of 1975. So
I'm not bored with all that. I I I love um you know trees. I love plants. I love um you know I I'm an all favor of clean water. I I don't know. I don't remember exactly. >> Last time you said you sat through a
bunch of different missions and boards over a year. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, I've been to different different um boards and committees or whatever commissions trying to find out where I would belong. Um I want to serve our town. I want to give back to our town. Um
so I don't know feel like I'd be at home here. So that's >> Are you sure? >> Well, legitimate point. >> And it'll be taken off of me and gone to you. No,
>> I think this idea. >> So that that kind of hit most that hit me, you know, that you know, you p you spent time and I've seen you at meetings. I didn't know if it was you or your sister, but >> we both got a different thing. >> But to me that, you know, shows that you
spent time trying to figure it out and it wasn't, you know, you you just you want to be on one thing because X Y or Z, it's, you know, do you feel that this you would best serve the community that way? Um, I
don't know. Mike's had time to think or pic but Pat's excited to have >> I am >> the only male on here >> female on here. >> It's no different than me being on your
commission. I'm the only boy. >> That's why I said tell her >> it is keep you off like we >> Oh. So >> it's true though. >> I I'm possessed by >> we we do reserve the right to appoint
her because we this has been posted for greater than 45 days. >> It has >> more like 450 days. >> Oh my. Okay. >> Yeah. We haven't had a lot of ideas. >> This is a rare two openings. Yeah. I'm like
>> what are the openings? What are the terms for the two openings available? I know that. I didn't even think of that before. >> I'll have to ask the court. >> I can look it up. >> 257.
>> Yeah. It's a one and a two year. Yeah, it's usually one and >> one would end 6 or 630 >> 26 and then there's a 630 27
term which you know which one you want. So there's two choices at one year or two years. >> The amount of time it like I'm I'm for 225. It's usually one, two or three years, >> right? >> We can say do you want to try a year on a trial basis? You want to go for a
longterm three year and >> or two? >> Well, three year isn't an option. >> So the reason they do that is to to stagger the position. So it's different people coming on and off. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Now, is it possible to start out with and then end up with and then go
for >> you can get reappointed again. >> We'll reenter you. No problem. You >> ask the retired town clerk to you know that us in these questions. But >> so so the first one is the one year for 2026. >> Yeah, >> sure. I' I'd love to start.
>> So it wouldn't even be a year. It would be eight months. >> Eight months. Yeah, >> sure. >> I'm saying two and three years where you're living. >> Uh Is that what it said? Kathy was um just a one and a two year.
>> I thought it said one, but >> I will ask a couple questions. You've been in town quite a while since >> website see if it's there. >> It's been a good amount of time. Anyway, all right. So, it's not that that has
anything to do with it. My husband was on the board of health back in the 90s and I thought it was kind of cool. You know, >> what was his first name? >> John. >> He served with George King. He was with Bill Bob Martin, I think. Um >> Okay. Okay. >> Yeah.
>> All right. All right. >> Well, I find one of the more interesting things about being on the board as the commission is that every project is unique. Everyone's different, different set of factors. I do enjoy going out on
on site walks, see the different situations. And um I think a lot of commissions, a lot of people believe that certain town commissions, not necessarily this stuff,
but in general, oh, uh conservation commissions, zoning board of appeals, they're obstructionist. they somehow they want to, you know, find find reasons to not be helpful. I've heard that. How about this one?
>> But in fact, we're as we're being very helpful. In fact, our goal is to say yes to the project. Figure out a way to say yes. Okay. If that means it seems like we're a little nitpicky about the the the plan and they don't have certain
things on it, well, they're supposed to. So, we want to follow the rules and we want them to do what they're supposed to do. Um, but in but in the end, we try to figure out a way to say yes and move the
project ahead. And that's sometimes requires creativity. That's how you got suckered. I mean, you know. >> Yeah, cuz I mean up on the mitten farm. We will watching it. >> Um, so the vacancies are the terms end
at 6:30 27 and 6:3028. >> Where did you see that? It >> uh the towns and conservation commission page. >> Oh, because under >> but it also has term endings for Pat and Jim at 6:3025. So, it hasn't been
updated. >> Oh, that's >> Oh, there's a lot of >> I I keep finding weird stuff. >> You have to go down like different routes to get the stuff >> because this is the one from June of 25 and it's this is what's posted
downstairs. >> So, that we have to go by that, right? >> I would say so. >> Yeah. >> Oh, are you looking at under the appointments? Oh, the Yeah, this would be it, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So, I I retract what I just said. Okay.
>> 6:30 26 and 6:30 27. >> Again, it if you do the term and you want to continue, you just request for reappoint, >> right? >> That's it. Um it's not >> there's a place where you can check off on on your application for volunteering
for reappoint. We just changed all of our vagina >> for perility. >> Yeah. stuck there forever. >> I can understand how people end up doing this for 20 years though because I'm on the year I think four or five and I don't remember it how I
>> Well, think about it. Time flies. We always having fun at consultation meetings. >> Max, you go. >> So, I think I'm 16 years almost 17. So, some Yeah. Jimmy's been chairing it for quite some time now. >> Yeah.
>> 16 years you've been. >> Wow. Okay. >> But your obvious thing on conservation equal to >> if we deny a project or we approve a project it at the end of it if it's been
denied we educate them as to why they could not do it. >> I mean we work hard at everyone's success but at the same time they'll be knowledgeable of why they can and they are going to do it equal to why they were denied and why they could not do
it. That's equal to it. People need to understand, oh, I get it. That was in a wet and that was in the two river. >> But those sorts of conversations don't happen very often. >> No, they don't. >> Um, you you it's the it's in the perfect
world, >> right? And I don't think it those conversations have happened since I've started, but I know they happened right before I started. >> Um, >> conversations of what? >> No, you can't do it. But
>> that was very it was >> regardless regardless though >> most of the conversations are like what you saw tonight where we had the plan open or like odds this miss and this that this hey why why don't you do this instead of that. Um but then talking
through you know Mike uh applied to have some trees taken down at his house which is on a body of water and we were worried about the erosion from tree canopies um being taken away and um Mike's solution was grow reestablish the
vegetation prior to the tree cutting >> and that was at at a meeting you can watch it it's recorded Um, and >> the rest is history. >> And of course, Jimmy, there will be sidewalks.
>> You know, that's like throw the rubber boots on. We're heading into the woods, put some tick protection on. And uh, >> but those sidewalks you, you know, we we're not just going to through the woods and leave you behind us. And >> no, I mean, you know, that last one at the horse crow, we had to walk you
across that beam. >> Literally. >> Oh my. Yeah, she's the best. I mean, it's like >> we got to get her over there. So, she walked on the knee and we helped her across. Boom. So, I walked in. >> Oh, >> but it they can be even I don't like to truck around sometimes.
>> So, anyone can make the motion again, we can a point because it's been posted for greater than 45 days, but >> right. So, we can also the nominating body on this at this point in time.
>> What? Say that again. The selectman will not be >> they don't have to be but they can be >> exceeded the 45 days. >> They can be we can motion to appoint her >> push it over to them >> or recommend to appoint and then the select board can do it
>> or we can do it >> here >> in house. What's everyone think? >> I make a or do all How long do you want to >> What's What's that? >> Are you recommending
point? >> Have you read the town Carter? >> This rule is new to me. So >> if it goes in if it's >> It used to be 30 days, but they changed it. >> Yeah, it used to be 30 days, but they changed. from 45 41 days and 45
>> 45- 4 I believe it is. >> So um again >> the newest I mean the closest term would be 2026. >> Yeah I start with that. >> Okay >> I think that
>> um again we meet our second and fourth Wednesday of the month. November and December one meeting a month. Um, we meet at 7 o'clock. It could I've only had we've only had handful of cancelled meetings over the last couple years. We
try to meet pretty routinely. >> Now, if you have more things come up, do you ever have a schedule in additional meetings? >> No. >> Okay. >> Really? >> Really? >> I mean, there's >> Well, there is an exception to that. If there's an emergency situation that we have to vote on a permit,
>> I see. >> We have called for those meetings in the past. >> Okay. And a lot of that we do like on Zoom. We've had them on like a Friday afternoon. Yeah. With the sidewalk on.
>> Okay. >> Um but that doesn't happen often. >> Okay. I was just wondering >> if they can't make it over in this crowd. >> Hold on. No, no, no. Hey, let's just focus. Focus. >> Focus.
>> Just focus. I just want to focus. Then you can then you can invite more. I >> just wanted to see if I can >> I just want to focus on one thing. >> We can get them forms after >> and it's a new form now by the way. >> Okay.
>> I make a motion to appoint Sandra Lord uh for the term of to uh 6:30 26 >> 26 that second. >> She got it. >> Roll call vote starting with Mike said yes. >> James Gates. Yes,
>> that general. Yes, >> James. Yes. >> So, >> you'll have to get sworn in. You'll have to do ethics training with >> I'm excited. I'm excited. >> The town clerk will go. >> That's nice. >> Maybe some potential members. >> We'll take anyone at this point.
>> We're so close to having a full full commission. We haven't had a full commission. >> Wait a minute. We've had haven't had a full commission in I don't know how long. >> I'm gonna see how she likes >> the kids. >> And we do um patch and challenge Scooby
snacks which is a very important part of our >> That's cool. That's cool. >> Um so I'm gonna keep moving on because it's 10 of nine. >> Well, thank you so much everybody. Thank you. Congratulations. >> And I can't do it. >> Oh, that's right.
>> Sorry, Mike. >> Those days have gone. >> Now, as you retire and just taking whatever >> in the next day or two. >> Okay. Thank you so much. >> Have to navigate the MC. >> Thank you for coming in.
You'll have to navigate the >> MACC. >> MACC as long as I could >> help her navigate. You could just point her to the direction for them to talk to. >> I'll get the folder that orient to the commission all the
rules and regulations. >> Um, great. One closer. What? Where? We're on what now? >> 3.1 reported trash on hiking trail off of early road. Uh Kobe I >> happened
>> asked you to add it. I didn't look at the parcel. Is that a mass wildlife parcel? >> As far as I can tell, they didn't give an address or pictures. I asked for those. >> Where was it again? Where >> emails off? So I assume it wildlife
management area. Yeah, I we don't have anything out there. I guess that's what I was asking. >> I don't think this is really road. >> Yeah, I haven't had a chance to go down there, but it's all I'd be doing is going and telling wildlife management area.
>> Um, so the email came October 12th uh from ACS Live Z. >> So, are we looking to get somebody down there to pick it up or we >> No, no. Well, if it's look at it, >> I'll read it.
Um, hello. My friends and I hiked on Shirley Road last week and were baldled at the trash on the trail. We usually are able to fit things in a trash bag and haul it out as a kind favorite. Thank you to who wrote this, >> but four car tires, two fenders, and a trash can turned over with cans was a
bit much. You employ the towns and scouts with their dad's trucks to get rid of stuff or any big guys trucks to clean up the trash. I like to take pride on the trails. Rest of the trails were beautiful, but the entrance and exit were unsightly. We are hikers and hike
on many trails in Dunville Brookline. Pepperl um Hollis, we never seen this much garbage on a trail. Please ask someone to clean up clean the trail. >> Um
>> because board of health has a little bit of money in their coffers. I don't know anymore. >> Did that go poof? >> Yep. Uh but if it's if it's mass wildlife, you should >> we'll call them. I'll call the stewart. Do you have the steward's number, Kobe?
>> Uh no. >> You're the only one with that. >> Huh? >> You call Pat. >> No, I can call Travis. He'll he'll get out. >> Um >> cuz he's got a dedicated crew to that. If if you know it's um fishing game, I
would get >> I don't there's no parcels down there that we own, I believe. >> But even if we can help them, I'd like to get it to 10 cuz there's tie is and fenders. Is it a a trail that can be driven down from the south?
>> Where is where it is? You didn't give address. That's all that's down there. I don't know what else it could be. Would you like me to screenshot the email to you? I won't have all of it, but it will have >> No, I want to hit that next word. Ajourn.
>> All I'm saying is if we could figure out how to get, you know, >> you want me to take the picture from my phone and send it to you so you can talk to Travis. >> If I knew it was fishing game, I would. >> I don't think we own Okay. >> You know what I'm saying? Send it to my phone and I'll um I'll ask uh Travis.
>> Okay. Okay, cuz he's got two guys, two kids underneath him that that's what he does with them. Go just pick this up. We want to send Pat down with Subu. Do a quick cleanup job. Never mind. >> Camp out there and figure out who's
causing problems. >> Yeah, maybe that's what we'll do. Um, uh, the next thing. Okay, so the Oh, the next thing, uh, 3.2 COC 465 Adams Road.
Um, I drove by, it looked like the grass had grown in better. So I make a motion to issue a completed order certificate completed order of conditions sorry for 65 Adams Road. >> Oh 65 >> second
>> Mike second discussion. >> Roll call vote. >> Mike said yes. >> James Gates yes >> yes. >> James run. Yes. >> 4.1 cutting plan. Um, >> yeah, cuz I went by that 65 looked real good. It had come in good.
>> So, uh, forest cutting plan, Commonwealth, Massachusetts, extending for cutting plan on Parker Hill Road property. That's DCR property. >> Uh, yes. Yes. >> In the DC.
>> This is for an extension. Um, not backtrack, but please send a note to the select board that we appointed sander sand for the term ending 6:30 26.
Thank you. >> Yeah, I could 26. >> Um, all right. So, it's a 90 acre parcel. Uh, so they're okay. They're extending 266,000 board.
>> That's going to be the original. Are there notes? >> So it says extension. What we would like to ask an extens okay it's getting extended. >> Okay. Timewise they're extending. >> Yeah, time wise. >> Not the actual
>> correct not the scope of the project. >> 104. Moving on. Um 4.2 Land and Water Conservation Fund grants. Uh I just had it. Let me find it.
>> Which one was that again? 4.2. That was the one you added in. >> Yes. Um so this is from Executive Office of Energy and Environmental Affairs um land and water conservation fund grant
program. It is um the LWCF is administered by Mass on behalf of the National Park Service, an agency of the Department of Interior. The program provides grants to states
and local governments and federally recognized Indian tribes for the acquisition and development of public outdoor recreation areas and facilities. The program is intended to create and maintain a nationwide legacy of highquality recreation areas and facilities and to stimulate non-federal
investments in the protection and maintenance of recreation resources across the United States. So, it's very similar to what Anna had brought to us, but This is in terms of acquiring as a town.
Um eligible applicants applications will be accepted from municipalities that have a open space and recreation plan that um are approved or currently under review. Um also eligible are the departments and of
conservation um recreation and fishing game. Uh the application deadline is January 8th. Funding availability um funding is provided to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts from NPS and is administrated by EA's Division of
Conservation Services DCS. The maximum grant grant award is $1 million. >> The minimum grant award is $50,000. In rare circumstances, at a secretary's discretion, the maximum grant award for an additional
uh maximum grant award for an individual project may be higher than a million dollars. Um, EA reserves the right to fund projects through sources other than LWCF should it choose. Um, LWCF.
Oh my god. You're gonna make me go back though. Um that is the >> I'm not >> Oh, land and water conservation fund. >> Okay. Okay. They abbreviate so much with thinking that we know it all.
>> I know. So this is the this is the part that we I need um that is important. budget requirement. Since the um land water conservation fund is a reimbursement program, municipal applicants selected to receive grant
funding must have a uh successful city council or town meeting vote that appropriates 100% of the total project cost. >> So, in other words, they got to make sure our pockets can match what the grant is. >> No, 100%.
Let me finish. DCR and uh DFG must have capital budget approval from EA for 100% of the eligible budget uh project budget. Um tribal applicants uh must demonstrate
the ability to pay for the project up front. Grant recipients must use the reimbursements for projects that would qualify for landwater conservation fund. The land must not be purchased or park development or renovation must not be started until the selected applicant has
executed a contract with Commonwealth um or inter agency service agreement with EA. In the case of the state agencies, all projects must provide appropriate public access. Um now this might not be applicable for
this year but next year if there is a parcel that we or something that we want to do as a commission we have to bring in front of the town um town meeting to vote on it to pay for it but then we are reimbursed. So in
other words, it would >> from the federal government >> kind of warrant control. >> We don't know for sure if we would be reimbursed, >> right? But we also can't enter into into an agreement to purchase or build or to renovate anything,
>> right, >> without being awarded a grant. >> And they want to make sure that we have the money in the coffers, right? >> Um, interesting. So
>> no way will they lose in that transaction. >> But there's no way for us to lose either. >> Equal everybody's safeguarding. >> So it's is it more than just land acquisition or is it >> Yeah, you have to do some kind of
recreational improvements to it. >> What do you have to offer? the land. >> Hold on. >> Purchased. >> So, I'm just going to refer back to the things it can't be until you sign the the thing uh the um the pro the the
agreement. But, um it's the funds are used to purchase uh land park development or renovation. >> Just did 410 of it. >> So, you can that that can be
sports, it could be trails, it could be acquiring land. >> So, in other words, we could get grant money for the the playground we just put in >> that the grant grant money paid for that playground. >> Correct. We took what 31 out of GF, the general fund to finish it,
>> right? Because it's a match, but >> I get the general idea. It's It has We have to offer something. >> Yes. Now, I assume >> you also have the um >> I can't think of it right now
>> cuz it's 9:00 and it's getting late. >> Yes. Um the conservation thing we just passed and I can't think of it right now. Someone please help me >> in recreation related. Um,
so I I >> circle back to it. >> I could keep reading into it, but you also have to have an open space and recreation plan, which we have I don't I think we finalized, but I know it's in review. Um,
so there's yeah, there are opportunities out there, but we need to have the foresight to plan for them. Now, there is a town meeting coming up in December. >> Um >> Oh. Um >> it's a special town meeting. >> Yeah.
>> Um you should know about it. >> Yeah, we got something coming up on it. >> Yes, we're going to ask for please >> for for the other commission HTC. So regardless though that agenda
>> there I could go through it but >> it's a substantial amount of money that we should at least if we don't have any thoughts of about it now start to get the word out there to the select board and to our town admin
um because I know Brian just took advantage of something very similar just in the last month for uh renovation of their cow pond facility. fac. >> Yeah. What facility? >> Cow pond. It's sports fields. >> Okay.
>> That was almost half a million dollars. But they the town approved to spend that money over the summer >> and they got a grant to pay for it. >> What town? >> Brought of >> and they've done some nice work. >> So, they're going to redesign the facility for, you know, access and
parking and this and that, but they they approved the spending the the project as a town. So in other words, >> and then they apply for the grant and got the money. >> So the money that they were planning on and had to spend on that. >> Yes. That they approved to spend >> flip it into something else. That's a
win-win all around because they got the grant money. >> That's uh that's Do you think Sleman's going to go for that if we submit something like that? >> I'm figuring they're going to pay for it when >> Well, it's not the Sleman, it's the
town. Well, or at the town >> because it's going to go. >> It's always fun to throw stuff out there and see what they bite. >> See if it sticks. >> You never know. >> Show up. >> You never know. >> But you have to start the conversation with the the select board first. >> But the most concerning thing of it is
no money. >> We're going to be in good shape. >> There's no money because we don't apply for grants. >> Huh. >> There's no money because we don't apply for grants that are large. This is a large. >> We're getting we're I know. >> I mean, Kobe, how do you think the Grant
Rider has been doing with some of what he's been doing? >> Have you seen some good stuff coming down the pike? >> I don't think it's anything to do with the Grant Rider. I think we just have to the bigger picture. >> Where are you finding information about this? >> It was in the conservation email.
>> Conservation. Okay. >> Right below the lantern fly. >> Oh, was >> Yeah. I if I didn't open it until today. >> Okay. >> So, you're lucky I opened it or not lucky either way you look at it. But I also looked at it because I was reading
the Herald while it was raining on Monday and um >> spotted lantern butterfly. >> Oh, we'll get there next. Uh and I sent it to Veronica. But uh so Massachusetts land Yeah. The Massachusetts Land and
Water Conservation Fund grant. So that's what I just explained. Yeah, I did. >> And I I sent it to Veronica. >> Gotcha. >> Um >> Oh, Lori. >> Well, I sent I sent the to Veronica. >> I'm sure she sent it. Pass it along.
>> Um so, >> we have a meeting. >> It's something to >> keep in mind, >> especially for next year if we can't jump by it quick enough. But these little 20 $30,000 worth grants, did you figure out about how sidebar
uh the Nashville River the Wild and Scenic grant for the rest of the surveying? >> Yeah, we have to put an order in for >> the second part. >> Yeah. >> No, I have to have um
what you call you have to apply for more funds. Okay. >> And uh I was contacted by the person who does the grants there. I have to contact her again to see what exactly there is for that. There's an
actual application or I can just write a letter. >> Yeah, I need a little direction from her. Yes, that's on my list. >> Okay. So, we that has to get done for the next meeting. Um, sorry to sidetrack, but
um, yeah, paying attention to stuff like that, >> but opening conversations like we did tonight with Anna with a land, it's stuff that we have to just be aware of and, you know,
um, think about. So, next 4 or 5.1 uh learn about the invasive spotted lantern fly. Um sign up webinar series to get up to date info on spotted lantern fly in
Massachusetts. It's host by MDAR >> and that's a recent >> um >> Bug World >> and it's um 10 to 10:00 a.m. to 11:15 a.m. uh on November 12th and February 11th.
>> That's all webage. >> It's what >> webinar? >> Yes. >> Items discussed next month show the meeting. Um, back
we have 16 metal road that's going to be on the docket. >> Yep. Wild and scenic. We're going to have him here. Oh, if he shows up. >> Mhm. >> What was after metal road? Wild and Scenic grant update for the additional
survey. >> That's going to be for the rest of the um survey money. >> Uh hopefully. Um anything else anyone wants to add? Mike, do you have anything you want to add to the Squan Cook Meadows uh for next meeting? I know you're it's
>> We're still waiting. I I guess we haven't come up with another date yet. >> Okay. And I guess they're waiting. Veronica is waiting until she gets a little feedback from the board of the county. >> Okay.
>> Pat, anything for the next meeting. >> We'll add in welcome with you down at um the soccer fields. >> She's the chair of the the restriction committee. >> She is. >> Yeah. >> It's interesting. >> Who else is on that committee?
Uh, Emily. Uh, Selena. >> No, Emily Fine. She's the permit holder for Emily Norton. Fine. >> Selena Thomas is representing. That's her. That's her. >> I don't know why she added the fine to her name. She was always Emily Norton.
As far as I know, >> um, and then there is David or no, Todd Melson. >> He hasn't come to any meetings. No, his loss. >> He's the water. Yeah. Yeah. He hasn't come to anyone. >> I think that's it. >> Yeah, I think so.
>> So, um, anyone want to make a motion? It's 9:14. >> Motion during the meeting at 9:14. >> Second. >> Roll call vote. >> Yes.
>> James Gates, yes. >> General, yes. >> James Brown, yes. Thank you.