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Part 1 (Video ID: jaWqmDI5ehQ):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Commences: Agenda Review and Preliminary Discussions
- 00:05:41: Agent Report: Adams Dam Meeting and Feasibility Assessment
- 00:11:49: Site Visit Reports: Septic System, Solar Panels, and Edwards Rd
- 00:17:44: Public Comment on Edwards Rd Trash and Blocked Culvert
- 00:22:37: Public Comment: Edwards Rd Trash Removal, Health Issues
- 00:24:53: Agent Report Continued: Sycamore Dr, Bridge Culvert
- 00:29:24: Squar Request: Lawn Grading Approval Discussion
- 00:36:50: Squar Request Approved, Discussing Sidewalk Repair
- 00:38:37: Brookline Street Sidewalk Repair and Replacement Project
- 00:43:45: Brookline Sidewalk Erosion Pointed Out, Safety Concerns
- 00:51:53: Brookline St. Sidewalk Repair Motion, Vote
- 00:55:23: Klein Road Notice: Wetland Questions from Abutters
- 00:57:59: Public Comment: Klein Road Building Concerns
- 01:02:57: Public Comment: More Klein Rd Questions and Answers
- 01:04:04: Public Comment: Dredging Verbiage Explained
- 01:06:04: Klein Road Discussion Continued: Work Still Being Done?
- 01:07:13: Main Street Properties: Unpermitted Tree Removal Discussion
- 01:10:24: Historical Society: Tree Planting and Removal Plan
- 01:14:29: Church Parking Plan Update Needed Due To Floodplain
- 01:17:18: Pine and Hardwood Tree Inventory: Details Discussed
- 01:21:38: Invasive Species Concerns: Soil Compression and Runoff
- 01:24:27: Motion Considerations: Initial Plan Deemed Insufficient
- 01:27:10: Enforcement Order vs. NOI: Invasive Removal and Restoration
- 01:31:32: D and R's Planting Schedule Lacks Sufficient Variety
- 01:36:07: Review Property Ownership and Hire A Professional
- 01:40:03: Amending Planting Schedule and Separate NOI Forms
- 01:44:19: Retroactive Filing Justification and Fee Discussion
- 01:49:17: Church Filing Fee and Update Request, Discussion
- 01:52:50: Enforcement or Amendment, Invasives and Spacing Issues
- 01:57:02: Review and Identify Existing Order and Permission
- 01:59:22: Reviewing Volunteer Responses
- 02:00:57: Volunteer Interview: Abigail's Interest and Qualifications
- 02:05:58: Commissioners Share Their Backgrounds, Responsibilities
- 02:11:59: Local Government Impact and MACC Opportunities
- 02:17:18: Discuss Term Lengths and Future Attendance
- 02:21:50: Abigail Interview Continued: Follow-up and Correspondents
- 02:23:12: Upcoming Meeting Topics and Motion to Adjourn


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I called the meeting to order at 7:05. >> Thank you. >> This meeting is being recorded. Is anyone else recording? um chairman's additions and or deletions. Um

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give you a warning that 2.3 for Kevin is going to be continued um per request of the engineer. You can stick around as long as you like. >> Isn't anything going to be addressed on it? >> Uh the the engineer requested a

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continuence >> for what purpose? Uh, they're not ready. The plans aren't The plans aren't ready. The plans aren't outdated. Kobe, you can read the email. You pull up faster than me if you don't mind. >> Okay.

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>> Yes. >> We need more time. I'm requesting a continuation until next meeting. So, two weeks. That was informative. >> Um, second week of May. So,

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>> May 13th, if that lines up >> May 13th. >> So, we have a question. Address that now or not? >> Not right now. I'm just This is just additions and deletions. I'm just >> Exactly. You're just telling us. >> So, we'll go to it and then we

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>> Okay. Um but without representation or an engineer here. >> Yeah. Um >> can we answer the question as to whether you guys were blessed with a walk through up there?

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>> We were not allowed to. >> Um we got to wait till >> Yeah, we got to wait till they get to us. >> That's a question. >> No, not right. The second just so we can keep in Are you going to circle around to that? So, >> yeah. No, it's part of the agenda. I'm

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just warning them that they're here, >> right? >> Um, >> it won't be the full presentation with the engineers, >> but if they want some Q&A to suffice for that, >> we're we're just

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touch upon it and see what happens. Um, right. just a name. >> Um and then on 3.1 um there won't be a com a public comment period or public a public comment um

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tonight regarding it. I don't even know if they're going to be here, but we'll get there when we get there. >> That's with the society. >> Yes. So we expect somebody from the DS Ryan. >> I don't know. >> See who walks in.

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>> Kobe, you emailed again and they are not available but said he was >> representing from cab. >> No shock's coming. No one was available. So

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when we get there, we'll talk about it. >> Uhhuh. >> Report. Um so there one quick flip. Uh so there was a report of some manure that had been uh dumped into a um

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annual stream off of Old City Road and contacted the homeowner and they removed it promptly. No issues. No. >> What was dumped? I'm sorry. >> Manure. It was the pile just got too big.

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>> Oh, okay. >> Um, other than that, anything I have will be covered in the agent report. Uh, re review and approve meeting minutes from 12826 and >> yeah, >> 211 2026.

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So, B1 had a chance to review >> 11:26 and the other one was what? I I need a minute. >> 128 26 and 216. >> Okay, I'm both set up. >> I'm just going to take another look at

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them. >> It looks messy. Looks good. This is a good look. All right. Good. >> So I make a motion then a motion to approve the minutes of

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January 28th 26 February 11 26. Second >> roll call vote. Starting said, yes. >> James Gates, yes. >> James, yes. >> Sandra Lloyd, yes.

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>> 1.7 agent report. I'll just read it. I don't think it need it needs to be put up on the screen. Um start with the Adams Dam meeting with all the stakeholders and uh

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partners invited uh including um us parks and parks and recreation department, the engineering for excuse me, division of environmental restoration fishing >> um we don't

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>> trout unlimited was there >> again >> trout unlimited >> trout un >> so cold water fisheries was all >> that's a different identity >> is it so they weren't >> I well they we were all there to discuss

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um the the uh decision upcoming decision on whether or not to the uh removal of the dam is um feasible and um if it will be appropriate. The decision

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has not been yet made. Um that's why we're still having meetings. But so uh I gave you there's a handout there. >> Hold on. Can you repeat that last sentence about a decision being made? >> It's upcoming. It hasn't been made yet >> regarding

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>> the whether um >> whether to promote the removal of the dam >> not to remove the dam if it will be to move forward to make the decision to remove the dam

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just to see if it makes sense. It's an assessment. >> It's a feasibility study, >> right? >> Yeah. Did they clear it up? >> People watch and they hear Adam stand >> and then it creates two weeks of havoc that we have

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>> damage control on or just >> Yeah, good point. Good point there. Um, okay. So, I'll read a couple several of the comments. I won't go running through this unless someone notices something

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that they won't mention, but there's a lot here and I can make this available to anyone. Uh, you know, there were observations 15 years ago of river washing out the area around the railroad trestle and the last freight line on that track was in

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1981. And actually a historical overview was provided um by a couple residents. Um this one is worth noting. Mike here um mentioned that you know more specific

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information about the benefits to moving the dam is needed not just generalizations. um just look for you know hard numbers um on what exactly the river will look like and what the measurements will be

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with the volume of it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. the uh the volumes upstream were mentioned and concerns about uh the those um but I express issues with

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the instream um wood and paddlers not being um making it difficult for paddlers um to move up and down the stream. Um

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the summer parks, they mentioned the loss of uh swimming holes and they the um deer representative was very articulate in discussing how they

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may be affected and they may not be affected much at all. Um, anyone uh looking look up and down the list there and see anything they want to mention? If not, uh, I'll move on.

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Um, do they have a timeline of when they will um have the next step completed and what is the next step? >> Um, correct me if I'm wrong here, Mike, but I think they said the middle of

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summer is when they're looking to have a full report out. Um, >> I can't remember specifically, but it was sooner rather than later. They they wanted to move this along. >> Yeah. >> And who's the one that will ultimately

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have the final say in the whole in in the end of all of everybody's input? >> The town's people. >> Okay. So, it's going to go to to want town vote once they say this is what will happen if it stays. This is what will happen if

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it goes. >> But I and I don't know if there might be other steps involved. So >> it's a learning curve. This is the first dam we removed. Really? >> No, we don't. We don't know what we're doing. >> There'll be more discussion and >> Wow. I didn't know. We didn't know what

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we're doing. >> We don't have to cut you off. Uh June 30th the report will be done. >> June 30th, Kobe. >> Yep. Now in all the benefits of the removal explanation of the assessment, the time

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period and the uh how long the that report will be valid. Um yeah. Okay. I'm going to move on to the next item which is 1000 drive. We did a site

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vision and the motion control is installed. uh 17 road sub IDRF uh departmental reference form um for the installation of a septic

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system house is already in place it's cottage type um house but um the there is a hydraologic uh connection there but uh I I was looking at um I I took a

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couple test holes and just look look at the all the vegetation. It doesn't um have any wetland characteristics. Um so the >> were there any sort of plant

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identifications or yeah this was plant life but >> there there is plant life but it was mostly um more mature pines um the soils were largely sandy so and

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there was a isolated area where all the all Department of Eden. Um there was a low spot basically, but there was no all of that was sandy and and um there were no

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wetland plants of any type in there. Um and there was a the topography there was a slope leading away from the a drop leading away from the u septic proposed septic system area

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which is why on the mass map where it'll show it as a hydraologic connection but there's no signs of runoff in there no uh leaf scatter to show uh any u

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you know streams at any time of the year. >> I'm pretty familiar with that area. It's like a couple houses down >> and there's nothing about it. It's number five. My daughter lives at number

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five and the backyard basically continues the the grade sort of continues down to that low spot and um there was no vegetation there that would be an indicator for wetlands at all that

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I've ever seen. So I uh said that there's no wetland involved and uh signed off on it. Uh there is there is a designs in there. Actually there's a folder if you want. >> You're not doing a screen share, right?

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There was not. Let me see. >> Is this up to for discussion tonight or are we just is it within our jurisdiction? uh no it will come back as uh this is IDR so this is the first step in getting

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uh it permitted through the board of health and if so if we say that it it doesn't involve wetlands and we don't have jurisdiction it doesn't get permitted under wetland protection act >> so you asking for our feedback on it

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>> or have you made the determination that >> I've made the determination that there isn't no wetland. >> So, >> we're good. >> He gets a blessing. >> The only tough part, the reason why I'm discussing it quite so much is that it

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should displays that hydraologic connection. That doesn't mean that there's a stream or wetland there, but um the topography lends itself to being um a a water runoff. But where

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this is, it's sandy soil at the top of the the crested hill with no wetland plants or soils involved. Then your two out of your three don't meet our criteria for wetland. So outside

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>> and we're fortunate to have one of our experts in the local area trying to work with you feel good. Never mind. >> Uh the next one is 70 Greenville Road. I did a site visit there. The homeowner

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wants to install a solar system. Um and they're the only area that they can possibly do. Place it is within a riverfront area. It's the other it's the other part of the riverfront area, but um there will be a permit

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required there. So that's going to be a standard system where they're punching the pylons into the ground. >> Yeah, they're they're considering regrading the area in >> to get good water runoff. Yeah, that's a

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good >> Well, it's going to be pricey, so I might >> cost effective than the app, but uh 61 Edwards whatever 61 Edwards. Uh I did a visit

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there, took some pictures. Um, and I I wrote up a a letter notification letter again for them. I think you're all familiar with the site there.

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>> Or might not be. >> No, you know Edwards Road. >> Yeah, I know where it is. Yes. >> You know the house with all the trash. That's where that's down the bottom of the hill in the wetlands. >> No, actually, you don't go on Edward's road at all. Right.

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members of the public know about it. >> That's concerning. >> So, actually, I do have something I can comment about that. Um, so I did reach out to TE um and they are going to

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um offer up some resources to assist in the cleanup. Um, because we do obviously have a history. I'm sure there's a folder that you get to look through in the office. Um Jimmy helped get them

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into compliance two or three years ago probably. Um so um and then there's also what >> I'm sorry. It's right in the wetlands. >> Yes. Can you you had you took a picture of it? >> Yeah.

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>> Can I do some better ones? But >> Harley, can Colby have screen sharing? Can you pull up that picture though because there's another issue in that area. >> Okay. So, you >> being blocked. >> So, you I'm going to bring up the compensatory issue with the water

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building up because of the blockage on the uh >> the what >> the water that's blocked. >> Yeah. That's my next thing. That's why I asked Colby to pull up the picture. Um so, when I talked to D, I also informed them about the culvert being blocked. >> Correct. um and that it's an ongoing

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issue and I asked them to contact uh the DOT about it >> which is Mass Highway, right? Yes. >> Yeah, that's it. Okay. >> And I think that folder Kobe you have probably goes back

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all of three and a half years. Uh, I went back to I think I found one from 23 >> 20 >> and I I didn't go digging too deep. >> That's when I kind of been pushing it a

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little bit. Made contact finally. Anyway, we'll that'll be interesting. I miss from across the street. >> It was a busy day, but you can get >> you can see the trash, but you more

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importantly, you can look at the water. That is from a fail that's a failing stone culvert right there. Um they have repaired several times um on the edges of both sides of the road and it is once again failed. Um they are in the process

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of engineering it. But >> how did D get alerted and where is it? >> Why is it D wants to intervene or per say help with this >> 461 Edwards? Yes, >> because enforcement should be done at a

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local level first. This is a new enforcement or violation. So, it um >> got kicked out. >> No, we need to try to handle it first. >> All right. So, we're going to go through what we did last time. Kob's going to

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initiate >> Yep. >> some communication and we'll wait to see where it goes from there. >> Yes. and maybe you can bring them up to be um up to date about some of the um health struggles. >> Correct. >> We don't need to discuss it in public.

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>> No, we won't. >> Um >> so did he or they comply last time and this is all new trash? >> Yeah, Jimmy held his hand. >> It was a struggle. It was a struggle. >> It took well over a year.

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>> Yeah. dumpster help held help and you only can go so far. >> So it was cleaned up and so that's new >> to an ex to a point where it was I think in your viewpoint Jimmy was acceptable. >> Oh yeah, >> we will >> it was brought into compliance. So the

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last letter I I found was 2023. So >> So on the banking there is that all trash? >> Yes, we have a question. >> Why does it keep happening? >> Yeah. Are you with 61 Edmonds Road? >> He's with the condos. >> Nope.

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>> He is 2.1, which we are 15 minutes late for. >> So, he's >> right. Well, the letter should have been sent. Um, if it hasn't, why does it keep happening?

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>> I'm trying to be there. There are some health issues that he struggles with that been diff, you know, made it difficult, >> right? >> Um, I don't want to give up too much cuz it's

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>> I didn't know if there like four things and they need help getting it out or whatever. >> Jimmy, you would know that better than me, but there's some dynamics to it. >> We're aware discussion here. >> No, it's not. It's a violation. It's part of your Asia report and we have

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questions from the public. So, you want me to keep going, Kobe? Do you want to take leave? >> Hold on. >> You all set? You seem disappointed in any comment. I I'll be quiet. Is that what you would prefer? >> No, I It's a It was a simple question.

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This health this health issues. >> Um >> I was just offering my help if it was something that I don't need to explain or anything. >> So, will So, just driving by on 119, it's an eyesore that's been there for well over a decade. >> Yes. there's been and there was a period

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that it got cleaned up for a year or so. >> Yeah. So that's public comment and you know it's it should be noted. Um and we appreciate your offer of help um and it I think hopefully the next meeting we

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can discuss that further. So, >> but that comment of hope is important. Like I was beginning to say, there are some dynamics to it and we're working with them. We have worked with him and I think we'll get there and we'll even

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probably approach the Boy Scouts and which we had already. So, we're working on I think we'll get we'll have success with No, >> Kobe, I'm sorry being patient. Now, we can move on. Okay. Uh I'm just sorry that at 6100s

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was really a touchy subject for a long time. >> I understand. >> Second to Terry McGee. >> 14 Sycamore Drive. I did a site visit uh by request of the homeowner. Um they were questioning whether um you know

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removing some of the trees from their sideyard uh would deploy on it um because they thought it was uh they may be in a weapon buffer. They were close but um they were just outside. However, um their backyard project they have a

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project in their backyard that's probably going to require permitting. So I recommended the permit that they should find. >> So, this is for the for filling in the pool and if it's turned into space,

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that's actually an exemption. I I researched it. Um but the trees. Yes. Okay. What else? uh did a website visit to Min Brook

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because a resident called uh concerned about work being done on the bridge culvert there that uh 119 goes over and goes under. Uh I spoke with the foreman

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and this contracted through Mass Dot to repair it and mass dot is horrendous for filing. >> Okay. if they do files. >> Site visits were done today to 11 squad

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donors and 50 to 70 Brooklyn Road and they're coming up and visited uh I visited old meeting house road near the southern end where near to the river in wildlife management area

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where Jen had it. Uh this kind of ongoing issue a little bit where >> it's the end of the old meeting house where the river is a problem. Salt is deposited there in the winter by plow trucks and encroachment of gravel into a brown hole and general degradation of

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the road with the beaver pond right next to it. They're almost at the same level. >> So in other words, that's where the where the boys get done pawning. That's where they turn around, right? >> Yeah. They don't shut off the spers and it just keeps >> So does that relate back to that

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excessive amount of salt in deposit in that area also? Was that >> it all? It's all together. Um, >> and Jennifer Pettit from Fishing Game went up. Met you up. >> Not from Fishing Game. She's just a resident.

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>> Who? >> Jennifer Pett >> is just a resident. >> Yeah. >> Oh, Jennifer. >> You were thinking someone else. >> We're starting a conversation. Oops. >> Jim Smith, the highway department supervis superintendent.

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>> Jimmy Smith. Yeah, cuz I went out there last year related to that again to look at material dump. >> So, the conversation's been started. Um, last thing is uh looking for suggestions

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uh for senior work off of your taxes. Um, if you have suggestions on how they can help around the office or you have other ideas. They're dumb. Let me know. >> What? They're dumb. What about extra like a volunteer tax

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for the those people help with that? >> Yeah, that would be you have to talk to Slackboard. That's not a terrible idea either. >> So, can I stop getting paid for my meetings? I find them. >> Well, it's voluntary. No,

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>> people are >> they pass the bylaw. You yourself. Yes, >> if I may. Um, the senior off program goes through the assessor's office. So,

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you'd see Vicky Tidman. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Lori. All right. So, >> you have to be Lori over 65. >> I don't know. >> I I've never asked. >> I don't think I'm old enough. So, we are

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incredibly late and we're going to keep going. You're good, Kobe. >> Thank you. >> 2.11 squar request for determination of applicability. Um, TWWB 2026-007

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applicant with Gregory up proposes uh loming and grading of lawn area within riverfront area approximately 7:15. It is now 7:36. Gregory, if you don't mind, just come sit with us and >> Yeah.

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>> It's not a major project. It's just you have any pictures from today. >> Thank you. >> How do you feel being at the big table now? >> Good. We open this care like we're a lot of fun. I'm

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telling you, you can see that >> it sounds like not so much. >> So, if you don't mind just giving us a quick overview of what your project is and we can ask questions, discuss it and >> Yeah. So, as I mentioned, I was here

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some time ago. Um, so when my parents lived there, they had somebody do the septic system. I think it was like um assisted. So then I think they had like help putting the septic in. So it was just put the septic in and leave. So like the the ground is just kind of all on level and you know just left as as it

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was. I just wanted to fill in the dips and plane it out. That's pretty much it. >> I think it sounds beautiful. >> I think when you talked to us before it was only like two or three yards of material. >> Yeah.

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discussion questions. There's a pretty straightforward one, but >> I mean they mentioned to put the, you know, hay bales or a sil sock up. There is like a like a a rise, >> but I can still put the hay bales around. >> You think that's necessary? If it's a spring planting and he's going in loming

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it and seeding it >> instead of putting up socks, just put the star around the top of it to hold the moisture to get it to grow quicker. I think doing waddle. How wide is your yard of the the area that >> 35 40 feet maybe?

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>> Oh yeah. I would just put two person >> play through. >> Um yeah, I would put auto which is the straw that's in a net right that big. >> Okay. Do you see a lot of wash out if we got heavy rain off to the radiant again?

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Yeah. Well, it's hard to tell from the pictures, but the the gray um the contours of the land, but there is a burm before you get to the to the river. >> Yeah. Right. Kind of where we're standing there. >> Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It's like I

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said, it's hard to see, but it looks like that would almost act as a waddle itself. But I I think that why not put a waddle just to make sure. So does that burm when the river how much lower is the

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river? >> Probably >> because I know those yards can vary a lot where some are that much higher above the river and some are >> I think it's probably about five feet from from

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>> from where we're standing to the river. >> Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, you can see on the far shore, you know, how high the water has been. Has Has Has Has Has Has Has Has Has Has Has it ever flooded into your backyard? >> It has, but not in a while. >> Yeah, >> it does. It's going not going to matter.

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>> Yeah, right. >> True. >> But I I think having water there is just best management practices. And >> that's right. And Chris uh Overton was going to do the work like the graining and stuff. He had mentioned putting some sort of like you were saying seed down that would like

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>> I don't want to say grow quicker, but it was something that he could put down >> seed. Yeah. Yeah. So you you're in a spring planting right now. So you're going to get >> on long as you don't keep up with the drought, you'll get quick action. So it'll it'll establish quick and

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stabilized quick. >> That's why you're not too worried about a lot of water control. >> Send your thoughts. >> So basically it was just like the septic area. Is that what was >> Yeah. Just trying to make his yard flat for his kids to run around and not

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>> right >> not fall. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I don't see any problems with it. It seems pretty straightforward. >> Yeah. No, I was surprised how lovely the river looked actually from the backyard. I've

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never seen the river look so nice. >> Yeah. But uh Yeah. No, what he described and where the contours would be, it looked very straightforward and it would just make it nice. >> I love it. >> Kobe. >> All right. >> Uh I just repeat what you said. So your

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recommendation was just about3. >> Oh, >> it's going to be what? Ag3. >> Hold on. >> Who's going to do the Are you ready for the motion? I already did one. You want to do this next one? >> You can.

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>> You sure? >> Taking in your thunder. Making note my picking on me. You act really like that. >> Okay, I'll take it back. >> I mean, when you're ready.

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>> Hold on. He's going so fast. >> Not ready. They got time. >> How long have you been in town? >> So, I grew up here. I'm 53. Moved out for a little while.

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>> Little lemons there. Well, it's landscape from the estate. >> Um, >> but Lemus has that volunteer tax too where like the people can pay extra in their taxes. >> Yeah, it's negative three. >> It's really nice. >> Yeah. >> Um,

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>> I put a negative three there. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. So, I'll make a motion that we um issue a negative3 determination for the 11 squook terrace with a special condition of putting straw bottles

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across the backyard um staked in place. Um it's for 11 terrorists uh TWWB 2026-007. Roll call vote starting Mike or is there a second? >> Second. >> A second. Mike second discussion

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>> Mike P said yes >> James Gates yes >> James yes >> Sandra Wood yes >> even volunteer with us you won't get >> well he just said he's been here since 1933

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so he's been here a long time we need knowledge so what is the last name again >> have you lived here your whole life >> 59 Nine. >> Who seconded that? >> Barry second.

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>> How old are you? >> I'm 53. >> My dad was Barry. He was blind and he used to hitchhike back and forth to Boston every day. >> I remember saying when I moved here before I did. >> Grab his arm. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. Well, >> okay. >> Wow. Nice to meet you. >> Thank you. >> No, that that's an interesting connection. >> Okay, we're all done with story time. >> There's nothing wrong with story time because it makes us

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>> Yeah. >> makes it more interesting. >> Shows us that we're human. So, let's >> Thank you for your time and patience. And >> yeah, you as well. >> Yeah. Good work with >> just in time to start planting. >> I'm all set. >> Yes, sir. We get my work together.

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>> Nice to meet you. >> You too. >> All right. >> Nice to meet you. >> I met your mom once and she was really nice. >> Barely. >> Oh, yeah. >> I gave you feather. >> Anytime we'd see him

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by me, >> drive by. I met your mom. I met your mom and I thought she was really nice. >> Oh, thank you. >> Really nice lady. >> Look at that everyone. Thank you. >> I like that

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shake the audience and everything. I like that. >> Very nice. >> It's like we should put a check mark and smiley face near his name. 2.2 50 to 70 per flying street RDA PWB

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2026-008 applicant highway department purposes uh repairing proposes sorry repairing and replacing the sidewalk with an underfoot wetland buffer in riverfront area. Hi,

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>> is this a conservation comm? >> Yes. I received the email that was 8:30 >> for >> Thank you. Um Jimmy, you're here to represent >> representing the highway department. I'm

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Jim Noise uh from Greenman Peterson. We doing the design and construction services and the bidding on the project. I believe I have uh Sam Campbell with us also. He's our environmental um specialist. And I we met him out today on the

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sidewalk. >> Uh briefly, this is a sidewalk replacement project. Um there's a sidewalk that runs currently from 50 Brookline Street all the way up to uh uh the Hawthon Middle School. Um the

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proposal here is just to replace that asphalt sidewalk with a new cement concrete sidewalk. Uh eliminating that small twoft grass strip where grass doesn't grow. Um, in between right now the curbing and the sidewalk. So, the sidewalk will be pushed out to the

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street. Uh, the curb line, all that curbing in that area is going to be removed and reset. Uh, there's a little path that goes through the woods and then connects up to the the sidewalk at the school. Um, that will be eliminated. That will be torn up and just lman seat

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in that area. And the sidewalk itself will continue around the corner. um ADA ramp going across the street and the sidewalk would continue up to the police station. >> I don't know. Sam, do you have anything to add from uh the visit today?

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>> No, Jim, I think you covered it. Um you know, I think we discussed on site that there'll be a straw waddle installed along the section of the sidewalk that runs adjacent to the wetlands that are on the middle school property. Um you know, at the back of the sidewalk where it is today. And I think Jim, the only other thing I'd mention is that those

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utility poles are going to get relocated as well. Right. >> Right. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I guess yeah, I would just emphasize, you know, as it comes along that wetland system, the work is within the buffer zone, the 100 foot buffer, but no work that we would expect to impact the wetlands. Uh, and there's a

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very small sliver adjacent to 50 that has uh work within the 200t riverfront area associated with Hawthorne Brook, which crosses under the bridge uh further south. And also included with our RDA application were all the environmental conditions that were in the bid

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documents. Um bids were open last week and now we're just doing our due diligence on the uh the low bidder. Um but he everything in that uh on that attachment uh in the RDA is what was in the bid documents and what is being the

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contract will be held to the straw waddles um um and all the other environmental conditions. No, no uh fueling on the site and uh everything else containing that. >> And your debris that's being torn out,

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is that going to be stockpiled anywhere specifically or is it going to be taken off site immediately? >> That'll be taken off site immediately. >> So, we don't have any material pile up anywhere. Um, >> we usually look for a place if you're

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going to stockpile sand materials, etc., etc. That's all. >> Yeah, I think all that I can't uh, you know, it's it's usually the contractor's needs and methods, so I can't speak of them for them, but I I would imagine everything is going to be either taken

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off site that day or brought in sight that day. Um, so there would be no stockpiling of material. I I was just thinking all that curbing is going to be removed and reset and I'm just I would imagine they're just going to go down the street, take the curbing out and

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just put it back where it is. >> Yeah, >> we've done sidewalk projects before um and none of them have ever stockpiled material on the site. It's just easier for them once they need the gravel. They just bring in the trucks, put down the

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gravel, and leave. I don't recall any sidewalk projects where we had to uh store materials. >> I have plans in the pictures if you want to see them. >> Yeah, if you want to put them on the screen. >> What was his name? Jim was the guy we saw today.

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>> Oh, Jim was the same. >> Okay. James was >> if you can go to if >> uh if you can go to the one that shows the police station.

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>> Right here, Mike again. >> The one that shows the police station. >> Yeah. Right there. This is so this is the place where there's uh and I located it right about here. There two pine trees here. So it's right

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across the street. The sidewalk has slumped quite a bit and so runoff a lot of the runoff never made it to the storm drain and it started to erode the side of the hill. So, in order to bring this back up to

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the consistent grade level, there's going to have to be some kind of back fill in there or something that's right there where it goes down. So, I think that's one area that could be a little problematic in terms of as they're working, there could be some uh some erosion

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or something. So that's the only place where I saw if there waddles along here, but then if there's just a little I don't know fence or something there. This there's it has slumped quite a bit. So they're going to have to even with the the

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thickness of the new concrete, they're going to have to back fill it somehow and it goes immediately downhill. I don't know what they're doing in a situation like that. >> Can you see my cursor up there like where you're pointing to so that the guys at home can see it as well? Oh.

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right here. >> Can you see my cursor moving back and forth? Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. Right there. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Jim, can you see >> opposite opposite these pine trees? >> A little bit more. >> It's close enough.

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>> More. >> Yeah. Just about where that telephone pole is going to be. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Where the where the new the the old diverges from the new. Right at that location, there's quite a bit of

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erosion. It's grown back, but you can see that there's been a lot of drainage there. >> You going to make just a notation on that? >> What >> is he going to make a notation to it or >> Well, no. We put it in the special. So, does it call for a waddle in there? Jim,

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did you catch all that? >> Yeah. Yeah, it does. The green line the uh the green double line that you see is our proposed straw waddles. >> Straw waddles. >> And we actually have a uh in the contract or in the bid documents. It was

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an extra 100 ft of straw waddles, too. But if you want Yeah. If you want silt fence in addition to the straw waddles, that shouldn't be a problem. >> What size straw waddle did you expect? >> Uh let me look that up.

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I actually took it from the Main Street uh the one we did last year on Main Street. Uh straw wles uh 12 in. >> How do you feel about that, Mike? >> Well, that could be enough. It's just that

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it's just a one little area to make a note of that you have to be careful there. >> Sandra, what are your thoughts? Going to look at this picture. >> So,

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because I don't know how thick is the uh concrete. >> Thank you. >> Uh 4 in. >> 4 in. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it's uh about 5t from the curb. 5T wide.

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>> Yes. Not including the curb. It's 5T. Yeah. >> Okay. >> That area too that you're talking about, that's where we're we're actually going to be pushing. There's a like a little cutout there where the the existing catch basin is. We're actually going to be pulling the curb out there, too. So,

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a little bit further away from the slope than it currently is. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Right at that location is where they separate. That's right. So, there will be a little bit more of a space on the pond side. Yeah, I can see that.

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>> Have you thought about what or adding a deterrent uh from keeping the kids um from taking the the path of least resistance? Um, no. You know something? Right before

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I got on this call, I was just like that that idea popped in my head, too. I don't could talk to Jim about it and maybe can do some uh tree plantings in that area. Although, I think, you know, even if you plant, you'd probably have to plant or

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do something in that tire corner because kids are kids. They're going to take the shortest road. >> Exactly. And it doesn't matter what you put there, probably. >> Yeah. >> Thorns. Uh, >> but that's a very good point. >> Well, yeah, it's called a cow path and it's just a natural landscape feature,

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>> right? >> You know, so um it's pretty cut and dry. Does anyone else have anything, Colby? >> I don't have anything to add. >> What are your recommendations, Colby, for the

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Yeah, Mike was like to point out that area that's likely to be eroded. Um, I don't know what what other extra safety you could put there, but yeah, there's like 15 ft there that are

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susceptible. Pardon? you want so close. >> Well, >> for that particular area, >> yeah, seems like it's 15 ft is enough. It's one isolated location where the has slumped quite a

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bit and in order to excavate to get out the old asphalt, it's there's going to be some work right there. >> So, yeah. So was a commission. So how you describe it? So >> you pointed it out on there

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>> when you were standing there. Right. >> Right. Well, directly across from the two pine trees across the street. I don't know how you don't know. >> So would that be in between the second from the left? You got uh the light post

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the solar lights that are uh solar lamps. >> It's right where it says 100. The second and the third one. >> You see the 100 foot buffer? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Right there. Just go up from where it says 100 ft. Boom. Right there. >> I see right where he is. Right where

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it's right straight across in the shade area. About the width of that shaded area where the tree is. >> Just just as it begins to diverge. The the old path and the new diverge. >> All right. So, that's easy. between uh one, two, three, the second, third, and

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fourth light. >> I think Sam is aware of the area, too. >> Yeah. >> Jim, does that make sense how I described it? >> Yeah. The second and fourth light. So, >> second, third, fourth. Yeah.

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>> Second, third, fourth. Okay. >> What? >> Right there. Boom. Boom. It's >> and I added one more just to be >> Yeah. >> It's it's it's exactly where where it slumps is exactly 25 ft from the stump

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next to the telephone pole that is currently there. >> Okay. >> Okay. And you went further down >> from here to here. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Here I'll show. >> So you want it to be a continuous Can I

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see your pencil piece >> for the whole just second >> right >> what am I saying here >> well just so you can understand how I'm describing it so these are solar lamps >> okay >> so between this one right here the second one

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uh third and then fourth so stop here >> okay thank you for putting up the reference So, Jim, before before we make a motion, I I'm going to read the legal notice cuz I didn't. >> Mhm. Um

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pursuant to the mass WPA uh and towns and wetland bylaws towns in concom hearing Wednesday uh April 22nd 2026 at approximately 7:25 on ARDA um with the concomw-es

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TWWB 2026-008 by Towns and Highway Department that will be uh held virtually uh via Zoom and in person at town hall. The project is located between 50 and 70 Brookline Street. Proposed project is for the removal, repair, and replacement

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of a sidewalk within 100 ft of a wetland and within the riverfront area. Parties wishing to speak in support of or in opposition to this application may do so at uh the meeting or in writing prior to the meeting. Um copies of the

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application are available uh at town hall during business hours. So we covered that phase. Um I make a motion to issue a negative three determination with the special

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condition of uh uh silk fence between the second, third, and fourth solar light. Uh can you see that? Is these part associated >> on sketch plan 304 we buy 42126

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>> and you went a negative three. >> Yes. >> So moved. >> Jimmy seconded in this route uh 50 to 70 street RDA TWWB 2026-008

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>> roll call starting with Mike >> Mike pot. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes. James Ban. Yes. >> Sandra Lord. Yes. >> Thank you, Jim. Thank you, Sam. Thank you, Jim. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, folks. Have a good night. >> Good night. >> You too.

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>> That was Jim. More than Jim Matt. That was Jim. >> Noise. He was project. 30 work session. Um, what's this folder over 41 Brookline Street? It has something else in it. >> 41 Brookline.

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>> Hold on. >> This is for one that we already did. >> Yeah, >> this was inside of it. Okay. >> So, should it go in here? >> Yeah, that goes with his Historical Society.

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>> Great. >> And do you have the one for Z? >> It's not here, but there isn't representation. There isn't a plan, an updated plan. Uh, >> so we're going to >> Hold on. Yeah. I don't think we did, but

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let me just go to it. 2.3 a continuation of notice intent NOID 308-0730 TWWB 2026-006 for Klein Road map 38 parcel 14 lot one applicant Kevin Smith.

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Um the proposed project is for installation of a new suffix system associated grading within uh 200t riverfront area and amendment of filing uh to include rebuilding of cabin access road creating of hayfield um and pond

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approximately 7:40 p.m. Um so we were requested by the engineer um and Bill Curori to continue this um which we will but the uh a butters had questions and we're not going to

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guarantee we can answer them but what we can do is Kobe can um take them down and send them to the engineer. So I guess the biggest question >> state your name and your address >> 2011 street number six number six in the

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closet there. Um I guess the biggest thing is when we are looking at property lines in that area we have noticed that this person has gone into state into town forest

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and I think it's gotten bigger over several years and I'm not sure if you guys are aware of that. I mean I can see it on Google maps maps. I'm just wondering if I could pass that question if that's something that >> doesn't pertain to the wetlands

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protection act. Um there's concern that should be brought up to the property owner. >> Okay. >> Mention same thing. Got it. State your name and address. >> Dave one mention. >> Um

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I heard river. There's no river. There's a swamp and he abuts and we abut. We actually I think we own a good portion of it type of thing. So that's what we're concerned about. But there's no river

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just to be aware of. >> No. And and um there is a stream. Um >> so really nothing can be said until May 13th when they have their information. >> Correct. But if you had questions that could be answered

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>> beforehand. >> Well, not before. If we can send the questions to the engineer and then they can have responses ready. >> It just is a lot of building going. That's my biggest thing. I mean, and I understand he wants it and we've said it before. He's got it accepted for

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threebedroom place. >> So, that that you can't change that. That is something that is it's a title five thing. >> That that's a standard thing. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. >> Yeah. I guess that just my biggest thing

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is the the property wise, you know, I mean, if that mean that's conservation if he's going into a different part. I mean, >> only if it's affecting the wetlands, >> but it could down the road. I mean, if you're I mean, we're we're we're below.

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He's up high. I mean, if you got water runoff coming down, that's going to that stuff is going to come into our >> our wetlands. who effect are >> a role to >> Yeah. >> Um >> that's we're concerned about >> until then.

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>> Yeah. >> I guess I have a question. He dodged the first meeting. There's nobody here for the second meeting. We've been here. >> So the applicant doesn't have to attend the meeting. His representation

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does if he that's the route he goes. And I know we were denied going up there to see where this was going to be because of health or our safety, but yet you could have people going down there for pumpkin hunts and >> it's a different liability.

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>> It's to the prerogative of the owner whether he allows you onto his property for the sidewalk or not. It was denied. So by the decision of the land owner, he is not inviting anyone or allowing anyone for ment of the engineering firm.

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>> Correct. >> Um all it is is down there is a cabin that is literally built on built on stone um in a hayfield. But as a buyers, you you have the right to voice your um concern. So

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Jack said he'd have something ready for the next meeting. >> Well, you're the one that called me before. >> He's working on it for the next meeting. >> Yes. Okay. So, >> so we will be notified when exactly they

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will be here for the next meeting. >> So, we we don't we're not we don't notify people. You just have to keep a keep an eye on the town calendar and we meet the second and the fourth Wednesday at 7:00 >> um >> to see what what's on the docket.

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>> Yeah. So, at the end of this discussion, we're going to set a date and a time. going to continue it to um May. >> So you'll have a date and a time at the end of the meeting >> approximate. Keep an eye on the for the agenda and keep an eye on it because

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there are sometimes revisions. >> Okay. And at that meeting I at that meeting do we can we talk to them and address them questions? >> It's a it's a public hearing so the public is allowed to come in and ask questions. >> Okay.

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>> All I needed to know. Now, did the other individual that left, he lives at the condos also? >> Yes. >> Okay. I just wanted to >> Dan is also >> Dan. >> So, I live there, too, and I'm Daniel Mack on unit 4. And originally, the paperwork said dredging

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>> on it also, which I don't kind of know what he means by that. >> I do not recall any form any dredging. >> Next time we come, it says it on there. dredging. >> So they is they going to have like some

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kind of a plan that we're going to be able to look at. Is that >> Yes. Um but the so dredging is a term that is on the plan on the permit itself. >> It's just a verbiage. >> Yeah, it's verbiage. Um

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>> it isn't of a literal >> what can but for this project it's not >> right. It's filling or dredging areas that are under the jurisdiction of the WPA. >> All right. >> Um,

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>> we're new to this, so we're just trying to >> be difficult. It can be difficult, >> but it will there is any dredging that would be going on. >> No, but it's the verbiage on the permit. >> So, correct. But that's a standard

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wording in explanation of potential dredging or such work to be done. >> Fair to call it boiler plate. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Correct. >> So >> that's why I keep I can look it up but

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uh further but yeah it's boil. So I make a motion to continue hearing for uh D number 308-0730 uh TWWB

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2026-06 um to our meeting on May 13th. May 13th. >> It's time to be determined >> roughly. >> No. Time to be determined. Kobe has >> put it on to the agenda.

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>> Mhm. >> Kobe, does that work for you? >> Yes. >> How long before the meeting is the agenda made available where they could just see? >> 48 hours. >> 48 hours. It has to be posted >> outside in the board

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>> or on the website >> or website. Yeah. >> And on the agenda it would say it would indicate whether or not we're moving forward or another continuation. >> Uh well today we it was today at whatever time this afternoon that Jack

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sent an email. >> Oh, is that right? >> So it was just this afternoon Jack had pulled the plug on not having >> we can't change the agenda for >> Right. Right. It was already in stone. >> So, I have a question, but I don't know if I should say it the next time or not.

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>> Well, what's >> Oh, well, is he still doing any sort of work up there? Like, >> no. >> No. Okay. So, he has to wait until >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> made a motion. Someone second it. >> I'll second call during said yes.

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>> James Gates. Yes. >> James Dan. Yes. >> Sandra Ward. Yes. work. >> So if it can be a last minute thing, then they could call KBY in the afternoon to see what what the status is. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Okay. It's scheduled again. But again at the same time if you you should come to the meeting because stuff changes and I don't want you know you to miss the

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opportunity if you willing to be >> part of that. >> It's interesting to come to a meeting once in a while if you're not doing anything see what's going on. Right. >> Right.

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>> It's a good story. >> Yeah. Right. >> Sometimes it's just fun to sit and listen. Right. >> All right. >> Thank you all very much again. >> Thank you. >> You can come anytime you want. really like

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>> not that >> when he was a baby. >> You guys missed the other the other one. So on the feel good stories tonight. >> Yeah. Yeah. Warm and cozy. Warm and cozy.

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Um so continuation of wetland uh WPA uh and towns and wetland bylaw potential regulation violation in town and harbor that is wordy approximately 810. We're almost back on track.

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Uh it is now 8:14. Removal of trees within 200t riverfront area without a permit at the uh following properties. 0 Main Street, 72 Main Street, 80 Main Street, Zero Main Street, Zero Off Main Street, Austin and Main Railroad Property uh property owners and

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representatives invited to discuss Towns and Historic Society Hollings uh safe realy advisory group here um to pro provide us an update um

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and you want to come join us and guide me to the table? >> Sure. >> Um, at the beginning of the meeting, I did note that we would not be taking public comment at this time because this is not a hearing. Um,

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it was supposed to be posted on the agenda. There was just a miscommunication. >> So, that means we can't speak Not not this go around. >> Are you here representing the historical society? >> No.

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Jacques's here for that. I'm going to >> member of the public >> as a public. >> So I'm wondering um at what point like will there be an opportunity for the public to speak another meeting? In other words, >> yeah, this

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I'm going to assume this is going to be either an RDA or notice of intent. I'm also sick of going home at 10:30 at night. >> So, I'm trying to just get the facts on the table. Okay. >> See where they're heading with this. >> They need to get something formal to us.

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>> That's >> who needs to get something formal. The historical society. Okay. I believe you received a plan from Dyling. >> Yeah, that's a nice face.

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>> Okay, so I think we enjoy the trees for planting schedule. >> The ones in red are the ones that were taken down. Okay, so we're on screen share right now.

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>> And then the green are new plantings. >> Colobby, can you zoom in? >> Five, six, seven, eight. >> Is there a tree inventory on there? >> Yeah, the you actually have to count that. Yeah, he gives you a tree inventory download,

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>> right? Hang on. >> Could he have done it in smaller? Well, you're supposed to look at it on your computer. >> Yeah. >> Trees removed within >> If it doesn't tell you what they are. >> No. >> Of what they were taken down.

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>> Yeah. >> Curious about that myself because I think we have some invasives in there as well. >> We do. We do. >> So, that should be taken into consideration as well. um because invasive removal um

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is obviously permitted um and encouraged um but it should there should be something quantifiable to that. >> Okay. >> Um at least my opinion. >> I don't like this. >> And there are a couple of trees down at

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the uh Harbor Church as well. And just for your information, we will be doing a complete landscaping plan for the Harbor Church once the septic is finalized and parking is finalized. There'll be quite a bit of planting going in down there. >> So,

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but we're not seeing the harbor church on this. >> Um, yeah, I think that if you scroll all the way over to the left, you'll find it. There's just two trees. >> Two. It was okay. I'm just I was looking for the head count. >> Yeah, it's where those two pines were.

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And they were pine. What got taken down, I believe, were pine. Should be marked on the plan >> by the church. >> By the church. There were two two large ones. >> One was pine. I think it was an oak. It was a hardwood. >> It was maple. >> Was maple. I found

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>> there was a hardwood and a and a and a pine tree. Okay. What was removed >> and that is on a separate paper. Kobe Mikey >> Mike Mike >> in terms of species as well.

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>> Okay, good. >> There you go. So, and I I question some of the species uh because there is a lot of Norway maple down there. >> There's no red >> and invasive right in Norway. So the red

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maple from what I remember remember but again >> so are we looking at the tree schedule? >> Um Ky do you so don't lose that yet. Could you pull back the pull the plan back up

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please and come see the plan please. know where you want me to go. >> Um yeah, this this is like a standill. Uh, it's in microfish size reading and everything.

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>> What's this future parking area? What's this plan on the left >> here? >> That is where our parking area is going to be going. The septic is is now going across across the street. >> Okay, you need to update this. Your notice of intent for the church does not have a parking area. It has a septic

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there, >> right? >> You can't put a parking area there without updating your notice or without updating your permit. good >> that needs to get fixed because otherwise it's just going to cause problems for all of us. Um I remember

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seeing a concept years ago about the barking um >> there was one and then the then the gift came through and then the septic was put >> right the septic was there was permitted with the septic there. moving the septic across the street is nothing but a net

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benefit, but putting parking there, it just needs to be because there was flood plane calculations involved. Okay. >> Um and it just needs to be updated in the um in the permit >> and removing that sepic.

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>> So what he has there isn't really a very useful >> No, >> it shows trees. That's all he did. >> Correct. vague locations. >> No. Yeah, it has exist. The red ones are

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the trees that were removed proposed. >> Kobe, can you um scroll to the right hand side, please? >> Okay, we're in the >> zoom out. Zoom in. >> So, that's on the edge of the lawn of

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the red homestead. the reds and the green. That's to the right of the building. >> Toward the east side of the building. Towards the canal. >> Towards the canal. Towards the canal. Gotcha. >> Okay. So,

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119. Okay. North is up. Um 119 to the top. Railroad to the back. This way. We should Yeah. Makes no difference. >> What's the name of that brook that's

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there? >> Millies. >> Milliey's brook. >> Min. >> Does it show on that? >> No. No. On that picture would be >> I don't think it it >> way back over to the left. Mike >> to the left.

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>> It would >> No, it should be to the right. >> Right. You're to the right. Yep. Yep. I think it's right at the bottom of that trench. >> The trees that were taken down, I think were fairly close to the brook, but I could be wrong, but

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>> not really near millies. >> Minis minis minis. >> I mean, there was only two ornamental trees that were taken down there. The switching box, right? >> No, those are landscape trees and there there are exemptions to that one, but

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the the rest And there's a tree inventory with locations. >> Is that the spreadsheet? >> Yeah. Spreadsheet with the diagram if you want to see. >> Yeah. Yes, please. >> Yeah.

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>> Number. >> Can you rotate that? >> Yeah. >> I know. You look at it upside down, you get you lose your orientation. >> I'm kidding. >> Keep going. you what? >> I asked if it was better. >> Oh, well, I turned my head upside down,

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so >> you see the written in numbers? >> Those correspond to the trees identified here. And you said some of these are landscape trees so that they were okay to cut down

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without a permit. >> What? So there were two evergreens that are landscape trees >> that were put in actually by the historical society many moons ago. >> Verizon put in the box and then we planted some trees next to it. They were

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very small and had historic district 2 painted on the box. >> Correct. I I I hate to be like bad guy here, but I had heard that this is before my time that

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uh you had James, you had um advised >> Yeah, I told him not to cut the trees down. The Jacques remembers that. Okay. But that was kind of on a whim because they were just cutting and there was no notification

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and you know you you have a document the WPA however many page pages it is I can tell you it's hundreds um you're constantly going back to it and checking it and reading it >> right

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>> um you know and you can't memorize all of it. So those are examples because of um they're what were they arborites >> arborites >> those are a landscape tree those and

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they were planted so taking them down after they've matured and have extended their useful life um it is an exemption in the WPA um

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it's >> generally if they're not landscaped and they're not continuously trimmed, they will get out of control. They just >> right. So >> it's time to remove. >> So the these are the a basic overview of exemptions. Fencing installation that

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does not obstruct wildlife movement. Walkways unpaved pathways for private use. Plantings planting native trees, shrubs, ground cover structures. Conversion of existing lawn to decks, sheds, patios, and pools provided they

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are greater than 50 ft from the edge of the of a bank or bordering a vegetated wetland. Um, and home existed before or prior to August 7th, 1996. maintenance changing existing nonstructural impervious surfaces to lawn or natural

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vegetation. Visting selective thinning of tree branches provided they're greater than 50 ft from wetland bank and 90% of the canopy is retained. Um and then stacking cordwood. Um and that's only a basic list. There's

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>> stacking cordwood. >> Yes. >> Didn't see that coming. Did you? >> Okay. just >> now. What about the the negative impact to the environment with all the heavy equipment and everything that was there? >> It was done when was it done?

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>> It was done January 1st or 29th, December 28th. I think the ground was frozen covered with snow. >> What would your concern, Sandra, be >> soil compression? Do you feel as though an over amount of soil compression is going to create an adverse water runoff?

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Well, all I heard about was that it was so close to the water and all this stuff and that the e ecosystem was disturbed and I heard a lot of different things and I'm just trying to find out what's accurate, what's not accurate and you know why it was done without permits and

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everything else. >> Hearing different things and going to the site, doing a walk, observing, and um making your own determination based on the facts is how we have to act. Um, I'm not saying you're wrong. Um,

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my point is should have been permitted. Should should >> Oh, no. And that's why they're here. >> That's what I thought. I just >> um >> Are we all supposed to take one? >> Oh, was that the copy of the um trade schedule?

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>> Did you get one, Mike? >> I want to make sure you get one for me. Well, I'm still learning. I'm still finding my way here. So, that's why I'm asking questions. >> And I get what I brought up of having to constantly read. Oh, let's get this at a

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discount to save a buck. >> Um, you can't learn it. You can't know it all, >> right? >> You have to uh continuously be reviewing and reading it and it's refreshing yourself on the

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the topic. you know, I I went through this and read through it again over the weekend and I'm still reading it now to um you know, because it's just part of it. >> It's forever. It's constant.

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>> So, yes, permit was required. I There's 18 trees varying diameter, but their stump diameter, so we don't know what the DBH was. Um, Kobe, when we were doing that sidewalk

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and counting, you did not include any of those stumps that were close. Remember, I had pointed out one of the stumps that you were counting. Wally had just cut recently, so it looked like it was a tree they had cut down. You did

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disregard that one. >> I believe I did. >> Thank you, sir. >> But don't quote. So don't what Colby >> I don't see it on the plan. >> Okay. >> But they but you you know what?

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>> No, there was a stump there that we asked to have cut down. >> Correct. >> So >> actually two >> what exactly are we charged with doing here? Just accepting. >> We're not accepting anything. or I mean eventually what are we going to what's

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our motion going to look like once this is all settled? What uh >> you want to run it through from the beginning to right where we are? >> Yeah. Go back to the drawing board. That that's a crap plan.

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>> Mhm. >> You got to put a little more effort into it. >> Not not to be disappointed with DNR, but that's >> okay. I mean scout at best. >> So you said that there's going to be a a landscape plan. >> Yes, there is.

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>> Is there more invasives planned to be removed? So this has to be we have to permit. >> There's no trees where that is. >> No trees, but there is invasives at the Harbor Church. Are there any more invasives at the Reed Homestead that

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need to be addressed? Cuz if you're going to go in and plant plants, you know, two and inch and a half, 2 inch uh, you know, diameter trees, those are that's a decent little hole you got to dig to plant them and plant them properly. Um,

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you know, I don't know if that's even the right thing to put there. you you have wetland restoration plant breed which would be cheaper um or less expensive and you can it's less of impact to put in um

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>> meaning you're aing on a smaller hole for >> you're doing it with by hand versus a small excavator like a small excavator um >> so and the trees are planted together

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really close I You got to do this all together. If you're going to have more invasives removed, if you're going to do any, you know, a landscape plan, include this restoration in this. >> So, other words, you're going to want to do go forward looking at an NOI so that

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invasives can be removed. Also, with the planting process, >> there's two ways to do this. We either make them force an NOI or we do a a full-on enforcement order and we require restoration under the enforcement. That might be the way to go. Which the guys

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deals for would understand that. >> Under restoration, >> it's an enforcement order. Under the enforcement order, they do restoration. >> Okay. >> It is ex it's very similar to a notice of intent.

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>> But if they are going to do more invasive removal, then >> it needs to go towards a notice of intent. They are not going to do any more invasive removal, we really should just order an enforcement order and require restoration. >> Okay, let me understand. So an

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enforcement order would be if we were not pulling out any more invasive materials. If we do look at a larger plan that involves removing invasive materials, we need to do an NOI. >> NOI. >> Yes.

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>> Okay. Now, this times kind of give you more ability to move forward to do such. >> What are the invasives that are there? >> There's bittersweet. There's >> I don't remember if there was any um >> floral grape. Yeah, probably mountain

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floral. >> Mountain floral. >> Uh rose multi floral. Then there is definitely Japanese barberry because of the historic. >> And you're finding Did I see grape also? >> I don't remember. But there was at least four to five

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different invasives in there. >> As an example, there was a enforcement order that we did several years ago on Pierce Road where there was um plantings that didn't get completed. The notice of intent had run

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up. They needed to get the work done, but within the buffer and an enforcement order was issued um to complete the work. Um, >> did we just do that sitewalk? >> No, dude. It was years ago. Feels like

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yesterday. >> Was this We checked the vegetation. >> This was a different one. >> A different one. >> Cuz that was at least two years in. Well, maybe a year. Wow. >> Right. So I I don't we need an answer

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before the next meeting on the courses is going to take as if the next meeting we either need to have we need to have something a little bit

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better. I don't think eight trees is going to suffice when it when this they you know count. Um, I understand that, you know, and I I think some of these red maples might have been Norway. >> Um, but >> pretty good at it.

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>> Did all the I know you are and I know you have the experience. Um, so I just know across the street there are Norways. >> There were. >> But do you are you satisfied with eight trees?

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>> No. >> When was it 18? >> Oh, it's 10 trees. And don't are we allowed to remove the invasive species? >> Well, there's no nothing on here that >> there's a bunch of Norwegian Oh, this

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Norwegian spruce is not invasive. It's Norwegian pine. >> Gotcha. And then there were um I believe five rotted trees on the west side. >> Okay. >> That's why I was asking Colby if we we needed to discount any dead stump. make sure.

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>> Well, it's the ones along the along the west side of the property that there were. >> That was what originally started this whole thing when the street split and then we found the others. >> Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. >> All right. All it doesn't have to be all

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inch and a half to two inch maples. There there's there's basic shrubbery. There's red twig dogwood. There's a ton of different wetland plantings that they can put in. >> Okay. >> Um and 10 ft on center is not >> That's close. >> Way too close. >> Yeah. 30.

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>> They were they were going 10 >> 10 ft >> per 10 foot spacing. These are trees that are >> plus feet. >> Right. Right. That's that is a little tight on the cropping on on that. >> So the five that are lined up there,

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they're just way too close. Yeah, there should probably be three there. >> So, was this still Ro that put this together on a >> Okay, as we go on, we learn. Okay,

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>> you know, 60 plus foot spread. >> So, in other words, you we want a a little bit more substance to this tree planting schedule. the way the way that planting trees and I actually just learned this because the historic

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society posted something about Dutch elm disease. So they were all planting too close together and the Dutch elm jumped tree to tree to tree because they're so close but then there was one tree that was far enough away it didn't transfer to it is a perfect example of

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culture >> planting that is yeah it it shouldn't be like this you should have a little more variety to it. you should have taken into account the vegetation that was removed. I know it's not quantified on here um

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you know with the the low growth stuff but there should be some shrubbery in incorporated in this. It doesn't have to be landscape specimen either. Um but if you're going to have a master landscape

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landing you that's what you want then you >> so let's back this up a little bit. Distillers and Roy do they usually do planting schedules? >> Yeah, they do. >> In other words, they are a

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>> because they're missing something here. >> Yeah. >> I mean, wouldn't it be more prudent for a landscaping company to go in >> to schedule it to work with them? Because I don't see Dosen Roy doing this very well right now. They need to have a

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one of their environmental consultants or or you know at least put eyes on this, >> right? >> It's obvious. >> Yeah, >> it's obvious and in what we're looking here

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>> Colby. >> Uh yeah. Um, >> you can't tell me you as as someone that has a background in as an arborist or you know need a living. >> I highly suggest you hire an arborist, wetland scientist, someone with a

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background that can tell you what exactly um if you have invasives that are removed or not. you know, someone who can quantify um you know, how much how much plant material would it would take to

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>> replicate the plants that have been removed. >> But you think a row of five sugar maples is going to >> I don't know. >> Thank you. Um, also property rights. You got

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>> some if you're if you're requiring them to plant on other >> property ownersh properties, then you got to get the permission and get them involved. >> Yep. So, there has to be a sign off. We went through this uh six months ago.

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>> Believe that that we're talking about planning on anyone other's property. The only property that was involved was with the um arborites and I'm correct. >> Right. And according to the map here, that is correct. >> That's incorrect. You have the railroad

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MBTA. They finally some the legal team actually finally contacted us that >> I think the the issue with the MBTA is they're the ones that own the property. It's not H&B, it's MBTA.

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>> Okay. Go ahead. >> There's a with the assessor's map. It's incorrect. That strip of property is according to the rail trail people that investigate the deeds. It is owned by MBTA. >> So it is owned by MBTA.

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>> So now whether or not they have authority to say oh cut down the tree rail trail that I don't know or whether or not that's going to mta know where we're talking about now to be honest. I'm talking about the two valleys

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>> which was in HMV's perview as I understood >> property. No, the historic society rent on that I believe >> HMV property which is identified on this is from the assessor's map which is

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incorrect. It's not our property. It's not HMV's property. It's MBTA's property. >> Right. MBTA has an easement. It's like it's what 35 and 50. >> Yeah. I'm not sure the the words >> to be honest. >> I didn't hear you.

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>> Feels like guess work. >> Why is why is that not updated then? >> Why isn't the what? >> In the assessor's office. >> I don't know. >> Cuz I would make this a lot easier.

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>> Cuz I do have a map that I just picked up from Victoria for that. India should get them signed permission from both homeowners sorry property owners NBTA and HVs >> same thing

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>> move forward >> I highly suggest you hire a landscape architect or arborist especially with what you're trying to do with those properties and the campus situation there you'll It'll pay dividends in the future.

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>> Is that where you are with that, Kobe? Is that your >> That's just a suggestion, you know. >> No, no, you're the agent. You should speak right up in >> property um questions. I don't think you can move without getting permission at least

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or or having surveyed which you don't want to do cuz >> that's very low money. Yeah, >> I I somewhat have to agree with where Kobe's going on this because what Dillis and Roy has given us for a schedule and

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a plan is a bit deficient. Mike. >> Yeah, Mike. >> Oh, yeah. No, I agree. As soon as I saw those five trees lined up, I thought, "Well, that's kind of odd. That >> was so close." Yeah.

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>> No, I don't. And I wonder, you know, if Dillis and Roy when they working with us, they just a lot of replication areas, I think they call them. >> And so they just do a a standard mix of wetland plants. So that's that's their

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expertise is to just go standard. Well, and it's not even wet when plants buffer plants, which need to be taken into consideration. >> A lot of our wetland >> Yeah. >> is usually a replication is

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of a wetland plant life. >> I Well, I'm just trying to indicate why I think Zill Roy might not have the expertise in this kind of >> They found people that do. have people on staff that do that do this.

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>> Jimmy's 100% right. They have the expertise where that >> paper right there could have been a whole lot more professional. >> Do Roy says civil engineers, land surveyors, and wetlands consultants.

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These guys have done plenty of restoration projects. They've >> seen plenty. They need to and they're also more than familiar with this the church notice or the church order conditions and they should know that that area you

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have marked as future gravel parking is not correct. That is not the permit. Like we can't that's an assumption that is Yeah, that needs to >> So in other words, you're saying where some of those plantings >> No, those plantings are fine. They need

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to fix that order of condition that permit current. >> The septic can't be showing on there. It's got to show there's a parking lot. >> There's calculations. There's wetland or not wetland. There's flood plane calculations involved and there was

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>> I if D expects um you know a septic there and it's parking lot. I know it's going to be gravel so it's pvious but then we're going to get a phone call. then and all it takes is a satellite image.

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>> They could be doing something >> and then they know what's >> there's a phone call. >> So in other words, that needs to be for the church scheduling of the planting, etc. That needs to be updated to not show there's a septic system going to be

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there. It's being removed and it's going across the street. >> There's an amendment to the plan. >> Yep. >> I'm gonna throw this one out there. >> Has to be shown. I'm going throw this one out there. The trees that were removed at the church need to be addressed in the amended order

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conditions for the future grav parking >> co. And there was how many at the church? >> I believe two. >> So thoughts this should this need to get separated thoughts. >> Mhm.

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So wait a minute >> on on this plan that they gave us they gave us two se two separate properties on one plan >> the church should be considered separate. >> It is >> no it's not it's here it's one this enforcement to this this whole thing is one

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>> but it is two separate properties. >> It is but >> should be displayed separately. >> I yeah I see what you're saying. Yes. I agree. >> But our presentation is very slight. It isn't that is

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I can't go we can't go by what they gave us on that for a plan. >> But I but what I said it should be two separate >> Yeah. things in the one where the church needs to just be included

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and this um yeah who's going to be communicating to Dillis and Roy. Is it going to be you Colby or you Jacques? >> Well, I'm planning to call them and tell them thank you very much. But uh I don't know if you should contact them as well

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just to make sure it's clear. had the discussion with Kevin from Dillson and Roy that >> Kevin who's what >> who was the >> Frank was it >> Frank >> have you had did you have the discussion with him that >> it's not it's not Kobe's job too >> right so I'll just make some contact

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>> how's historical society responsible >> it's not his job we we technically aren't even supposed to be involved like that >> I I don't know I see a communications snap with You got a pretty good sense of what you're looking for and it's not that.

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>> No, can't stand on it. It's It's insufficient. >> For instance, on the plan, >> you should also indicate which ones we want to grind stumps on, right? >> Well, yeah. And and

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stump removal has to be indicated. >> Yes. at this point. Yes, I think so. Do do you >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, we also reserve the right we also reserve the right as um a commission to impose up to twice as much

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for a retroactive filing. And I I really think that we can start with that tonight. Um, and >> it is a town entity we're working with. >> It's not a town entity. It's a private nonprofit, which there is.

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>> It's not about a town, is it not? >> Was it my house? My house. >> Point well taken. But we can't be doing stuff and not going through in part. We have the right

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to >> I'll pull it up. >> In other words, there are proper channels to proceed. >> No, we we have the right to charge twice as much, >> right? up to twice as much >> because the proper channels were not done that peritting

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>> proper permitting. >> Colby thoughts, Mike thoughts. >> Well, this is breaking new ground for me for us too. So I >> after work has begun may result in 2x the fees. In other words, this is the old saying, I'll do the deed and get double find

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later. >> Well, we've not had to do this yet either. >> So, what is the fee? >> So, amended. We'll start with the church. Amended. Request for amended um

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or extension of order conditions is um existing single family home or farm is 100. New construction or redevelop single family home is 100. Multi- single family house is 200 and all other

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projects 200. Now with organizations operating as 501c3 charities, nonprofits shall be charged 75% of the listed fee for applicable project type. So, in regards to the

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um amended order conditions, it's $200 um plus whatever up to twice um that we can um require. Is that a per tree price? No.

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for the project. >> Oh, complete. >> No, this is for the church. So, this is the chief to >> Okay. >> File an amendment to move the septic somewhere wherever, make that parking,

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and then address these two trees that were cut. I I I feel >> I should have D and I been on screen tonight to hear some of this. >> Oh, yeah. But they I I don't know. They've had a conflict or something. >> All right, moving over.

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>> Jacques here representing. He can request us to But I have a feeling that there's members of the public here that would like to see this discussed and at least movement made. >> Mhm. So

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a lot of this the cost associated with the additional fee is his time actually all of it and it's still >> so the $200 fee is a fee that we can we can >> conservation >> right so >> that was my that was the question that I

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had and you answered it before it's it's like if if it had been done properly It would have been a certain >> would have been $200. >> $200. How much more work? I was going to ask would it be and that's why we're asking for it to be doubled.

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>> And so it sounds like a lot more work. >> So it seems reasonable that it's doubled to me. >> Kendra, >> and that doesn't include the 501c3 nonprofit designation. That is

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essentially 25% Oh, so it lowers it. >> Slightly >> slightly. >> You know, I'm a member of the historical society and I hate to see increased fees, but I got

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to go with Mike. Kob's going to do a lot more work. Correct. >> This is just for the church. >> Yeah. So, what are your >> My thoughts are I go with what Mike's saying and it's going to be a lot more

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and it's a lot more work for Mike, too. It's like I mean, excuse me for Colby. So, I'm in favor of the fees. >> I'm move with this. I know. I'm I'm all right. So I'm disappointed with what do gave us

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we they wasted our time tonight again. >> Someone want to make a motion in a second? You looking at me like I you want me to? >> Yeah I do. I want you to do it so you get the verbiage right. It >> doesn't make it right. Um,

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you can verb it the way you want sometimes, too. >> Any Okay, I'll make a motion that any amended filings for the church. I'm going to do this in one broad sweep. any amended filings for the church

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and any we can't we don't know uh I can't do the read homestead because that could be done under enforcement. So for the Harvard church I make a motion >> the read also be under enforcement. We don't

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we can hold on let me one at a time >> yet to be decided >> I'm going to go back to just the church um I make a motion that the um request for amended order of conditions

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um for the order of conditions for the church I don't have the uh number avail or in front of me But um but I I make a motion that the amended order of conditions be charged

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at uh twice the normal filing fee. Um of which is normally $200 to be $400. Um >> yeah, >> with the um >> So you got to go twice.

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>> Hold on. Would it would they note that because it is a 501c3 charity and not or nonprofit that it will be charged at 75% elicited fee. >> You good with that? >> Yes. >> So moved >> discussion.

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We'll call vote starting with Mike says yes. >> James Gates yes >> James yes. >> Craord yes. by the next meeting. >> So, >> we want to see an updated plan for the church. >> Have to >> Yes.

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>> Sorry, just for the record, I didn't hear a second. >> Jimmy said so moved. >> Yeah, that's >> why did you did you make the motion and he seconded? >> Yes. Yeah. >> Sorry.

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I'm good. I'm not used to chairs making motions. That's okay. >> Sometimes they get a little long- winded and it's just >> I apologize. >> Kind of difficult to be able to rattle back off what James has said sometimes.

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>> We end up going in circles. We find >> it's it's okay. >> Thank you for all that you do. And it is late. No, compared to the Swagman's meetings, I hear >> um

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into the um to read Homestead. I I we need to know what the direction is if what they're going to be doing for the work. Um if there's future work involved, we need to know by the next meeting. >> All right. Most of the work is at the

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Harvard church. >> Yeah. My question would be I realize you need to have these on two separate plots. I understand it. >> When you're looking at the reparation of the trees taken, can you look at both

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parcels improvements on both parcels to satisfy that or do we have to segregate it to each parcel? >> The the church is too it's two trees. I don't know. There's a lot more trees that have to be planted there for uh screening.

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>> That should be part of the order, the amended amendment. >> What do you mean by for the screening? >> We have two neighboring houses very close. Okay. >> And we want to be able to screen those. >> Well, yeah, but planting of of of native

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trees is an exemption of the WP. But if there's invasives, because I know on the east side of the church, there's still quite a bit of invasives right there. I don't know if on the neighbor's property or on the church property, but if those are going to get removed,

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it needs to be included. Again, you need to look at the big picture of what it's going to be start to finish on these projects. We don't want to have to have amendments. We don't, you know, National Heritage does it like this where you have to have you have one shot at this.

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It just makes it easier. >> They don't like return visitors, right? They they frown upon that. So, is there going to be two separate NOIs filed? >> No, >> it can be one. >> No. No. We next meeting we will decide

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on your homestead if it's going to what it's going to be. All right. Meaning >> meaning it's either going to be the work's going to be done under an enforcement order or it's going to be done under notice of intent. >> NI. All right. I'm good. That's the

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redomestead. >> Yes. >> The church is an amendment. >> Yes. >> Okay. Twice the fee minus your nonprofit >> which is going to be if we'll bring it. >> They can figure it out.

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>> Well, I'm just for my own personal bucks. >> That's where I got that. >> 75% of it. >> I'm good. >> So, DNA's got some homework to do. So, the the reason the it the work at the

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homestead would be done under enforcement. That is how Department of Envir Rental Protection usually does stuff like that. Um, that's usually how they guide us. >> Yeah. >> And, um, that's the way we'll go. Um,

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if that's the case, but if there's more work that has to get done. >> All right, that has to be >> big picture. Big picture. Start to finish what it's going to be like. Not peace meal, >> right? You going to do the hand signal, though. >> I don't know what I'm going to do right now. I'm just I'm just frustrated.

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>> You think? So, can we We can finish this up now. >> You don't finishing this up. you gonna so we're gonna get a report back from I I'd encourage someone from the office to be here. >> You did a great job to talk about.

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>> Yeah. I suggested Why didn't we postpone this? >> Yeah. >> Or show up. No, this has been postponed since March. >> March. And I Yeah, cuz we waited for this. >> You want You want this? Here you go. >> Yeah. I want to be able to put that on the >> on the refrigerator with your crank. >> No, the hall of shame. On the on the

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wall of shame. I apologize for our engineers lack of work. >> I think he heard it. >> So, yes, Colobby, >> none of this is being done under a hearing. >> Do you need it to be?

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>> No, >> because they they need to go they need to make an amendment to the church. Plain and simple. >> You know, in I'm sorry I don't have the D number right here. I'll look it up and then you can even add to it if you want.

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>> 0669 >> 308 >> 308 0669 >> That's the church number. The church permit number >> 0669 >> 0669. >> I wonder why my blood pressure is so high. >> They got a pill for that.

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>> Yeah, I know. I take it now. Okay. >> Never done it to. And then any work that is being done off for on property that isn't owned by the society needs to have permission >> and the only piece that we are talking

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about is that one where the arro start correct >> we don't have any else >> that's my understanding that was the only place we had on somebody else's property >> that was the only sticking point that we even I'm from H&B

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Okay. Okay. >> So, this is going to get continued to our May 13th >> May 13th meeting. Okay. >> So, with the May 13th meeting, we need to get these ducks lined up and everything in better perspective for this. >> I see that.

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>> Do I need to recall? >> Do I need to recall Terry McGee? That was well over a year. >> It was It was well over a year. >> I think this is long. Terry McGee was way longer.

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>> It was over a year. >> And he still hasn't fixed that. >> Yeah, he did. >> No, he hasn't. He hasn't deleted it. >> That still hasn't been signed off with the EP.

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>> See you May 13th. I guess so. >> I'm on the phone tomorrow. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Enjoy your night. >> Thanks for your time, John. >> Great to see you walking around so nice. >> I was hoping I was going to limp so you'd feel so bad for me.

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>> No, we don't. Thank you very much. >> We don't May 13th be here. >> I can take this. Oh, yeah. There's no time on that. I just put a question mark. >> All right. Uh response form. Uh

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>> I just Natalie call is she haven't received any email back. So >> So Kathy, how do we how does that get handled? We have people or no response to volunteer request forms.

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>> I would put it aside. Do we have to notify? >> No. >> So, she already had put in a volunteer response a while ago. >> Yeah. >> And I thought because I thought we discussed she was going to be at the

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next meeting and she didn't make it. >> Correct. Well, it was late notification. She and she said she could not make it. Was it two or three days prior? >> Was it because of the timing? It it

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>> she did have something to do last, >> but is she planning on coming forward to >> We'll wait and see. She'll reach out to you. Knock on wood. Hopefully, whatever. Okay. Um and then we have Abigail.

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How are you? Do you want to come sit with us and come out? >> Um, so >> yes, thank you for joining us. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um,

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what interests you uh about conservation commission? So, I've always had an interest in environmental science, um, conservation. I almost chose that as my major. I decided to go with anthropology, but the anthropology

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program at Franklin Pierce died. I ended up switching to polit science. Um, and I figured if I'm doing polit science, I could do, you know, conservation work along with that are uh aspects from a

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policy angle. But I've always very much cared about, you know, conservation land. I've always enjoyed the outdoors. I always have a interest in the effects of climate change, things like that. Um,

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okay. Other questions? I honest I I think I found your fishing license a couple years ago. >> So, you were the one who did that? That That's why I actually keep my fishing license in my car now cuz I'm like I miss my fishing license. >> Verify

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>> civil search on the internet >> cuz we do our homework here. >> Oh yeah, I remember finding that. Oh, look at that. >> Yeah, that was last year. >> Uh that was two years ago. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah.

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>> Um yeah, my >> three wholesome moments in our conservation meeting tonight. still in my tackle box. >> Um what? So we have sitewalks um once or

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twice a week. It's usually once every two weeks right before a meeting, >> right? >> Um they're typically midm morning. Um that and Kobe schedules them. um

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you know I I guess what what's your object of your um your goals as a conservation commissioner? So I'm about to be fresh out of college. One of my biggest goals for here is I

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want to learn I want to get experience learning inside public policy um processes um and seeing if I can continue going into this kind of area

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full-time as career knowing how government policy works from a actual inside experience. Um, right now I'm applying for internships. I'm going to apply for some nonprofits, but coming out of college, I

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won't have a full job yet. So, my availability will be fairly good. And I'm mostly trying to do gain some experience while I feel like doing some good and helping out my town. >> So, you obviously you live in Town.

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>> Yes. >> Have you been in Townsen quite a while? uh for my entire memory of life. Um I wasn't born in Townsen. I think I lived in Actton or something when I was one or two, but for the rest of my life, I've

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lived in Towns. >> So you're familiar with Towns and you're a resident of town. You've been here for over 20 years, I assume that. Okay. >> What was your major minor at Franklin Pierce again? Uh so I'm about to receive my master's in ed secondary education,

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my bachelor's in political science, uh a minor in anthropology and a global citizenship certificate. >> Okay. So relatively coming into something like conservation, your interest is in it because of the

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environment. um because of the environment and cuz um my I've always had an interest in nature. I've hiked a lot of the trails here, fish.

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>> He sounds Don't Don't read into his tone. It's It's how he is. >> I'm good. >> Sandra Sandra is our newest commissioner. Uh >> I we actually know each other. >> Okay. Um, if you also recognize me, it's because I worked at Hannerford for five

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years. >> So, you two are familiar with me. Did you reach out to him and say we had an open? >> No, my my uh my daughter actually went to school. Yes. >> Together. They went to school together. >> Okay. So, you went to Middle Sex, obviously. >> Yes.

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>> Okay. Uh North Middle Sex uh Spalding and Popcorn. Mhm. >> Well, as I say, there there are two kind of skill sets that you need um in order to uh successfully

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carry out the job here. And I'm think I'm pretty good at one of them and I'm not so good at the other one. And the one that I'm good at, I believe, is the one that I think I demonstrated today that if you go to a site, and I I I really like going to the the sitewalks

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because you see, you could see tonight, every situation is different. Uh you can have to take it all in and use your own judgment as to, you know, what's the best way to proceed. And so you can look at the contours and you can see where

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the wetland is and you sort of get the big picture. They can't talk about it on site, >> right? >> Keep it all to yourself, but they have a meeting, >> right? Okay. And I and I enjoy that part. That's the part I enjoy the most when it comes to

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the technical the laws and everything. Um, not so good at that. And that's why I rely on basically these two guys. Well, three guys here. >> Yeah. I I rely on Kobe and then

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>> Yeah. you know, it's like I I couldn't even begin to make the motion. I wouldn't know where to begin. My brain isn't good at that. But I think I can still contribute. So, everyone has a different way of contributing and and I think I think I contribute enough to

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make my make it worth it that I'm here. Okay. And I don't know what your skill sets are, but it sounds like you might be have those that um that combination of uh that's going to work out really well. >> Yeah. >> Um an outdoorsy kind of person.

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Yeah. Cares about >> maybe share how how you came about joining and same with you Sandra because >> Yeah. Um, >> well, we, my wife and I were helping uh where we have a a house on water. It's

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just a tricky situation. At any rate, uh, we had to come here in order to find out how we were going to do it, what kind of hoops, so to speak, that we're going to have to jump through in order to make this thing happen. And um little

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did I know that I would say something that would strike James as like well maybe he's sees sort of the big picture and how we approach things here and then he invited me to come. All I said was that I think that after we cut the trees

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down we should plant some grass. before you cut the tree. >> That's what it was. >> Erosion at the tree canopy plant and establish grass. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> How quickly we forget. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah.

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So, at any rate, um >> you chuckled. I thought you were just going to blow us off and not fill out the paperwork and here we are. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I and I do look forward to the meetings, you know, and because I know that I can contribute

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with what I'm perceived to be pretty good at and I know I'm going to get help in understanding the rest of it. Sandra, did you if you don't mind sharing your experience and I um there's a I I love nature um ever since I was

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growing up and um my kids actually um are very outdoorsy. They they love hiking and stuff and they were actually um I don't know there's a lot of different reasons. Um they went

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to uh nature's classroom and we're so excited about it and shared all the stuff with me. Um in back of our house there's some town land that um the kids will hike in and you'll be telling me about all the

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all the um things out there and it's I just I don't know it's I've always been interested in protecting um the environment just I've always kind of worried about protecting the environment. Um,

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>> so one of the things that stuck out to me about um you was you said you you um attended several different meetings for different boards. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Um I also wanted to serve the town um to give

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back to the town um because my my kids are all older now. I've got, you know, two grandchildren. I'm like I I want to be able to um to do something to give back. And I I went to different different meetings um of different boards and stuff trying to figure out

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where I might fit in. And since I had an interest, I'm like, "Aha, well, maybe this is where I could fit in." And I um now I'm I'm a a rep for the community preservation committee representing the conservation, >> which you were resisting towards at first. Yeah, I wasn't sure about that,

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but uh yeah, like well I don't know if I could take on, you know, more um responsibility, but yeah, and I'm going to there's other things that will be um active in in town to to the uh I was uh at a meeting. I I

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I I'm part of the historical society and uh I'm proud of the effort to uh save the West Townsen reading room. James saw me yesterday there, but um Yeah, I'm I'm interested in serving the town wherever I can. I I I I really feel

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it's important to give back and I'm enjoying seeing the the government policies and you know, local government work at work. I I do think it's fascinating. >> I do. >> I think local government is where the biggest impact happens. >> Where what could you repeat that? >> Local government is where the biggest

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impacts happen. >> Jimmy, you joined how many years ago? a long time ago. A long time ago. So you get I mean you just sat through the whole meeting so you get a general idea what a lot of it's like. There's going to be moments.

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It can be contentious. It can be enjoyable. It can be frustrating. It's there's a lot of information. There's a lot of moving parts to conservation probably I think more than any commission >> you know. So

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>> what was your story for being on? What was your story for joining? >> I same as yours. I like the outdoors. >> I like to go outside. >> Mine's got quite the opposite. >> What was yours? >> A past agent pissed me off and I I felt

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pretty to join and make sure that other towns people didn't get misguided. >> I can't remember that far back. Oh, no. No, I remember now. You know, to be honest, that might be my favorite.

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>> And I don't know how I ended up right here either. It just >> we know it's not that hard to figure out, but we all kind of come up on conservation for different reasons. So some of the things that you should be

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aware of is um projects that are presented in front of us are typically lawful projects that are just going through the proper channels to be permitted. Um very

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rarely do we deny projects. Um it's mostly we provide feedback on how to do it with minimizing impact to the environment and wetlands. Um so there's that associated with it. Um

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there's always a a risk that a project um or a hearing goes rogue and um the town gets sued and you do get I I don't think I think you might have had

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it once but close. Um you know there's always that risk that you could be served papers to appear in court uh to testify. I don't know any thing. I've never had that. Um but there's always that risk

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that I try to be transparent and share with people. Um you know, you're part of a public body. You're always open to, you know, um comments and scrutiny and there's a lot to it. Like I was saying,

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sometimes it can be contentious and and frustrating and other times you find that enjoyment that you're serving the people. You're helping them move through difficult issues like an RDA and NOI and what are

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we supposed to do? I don't understand this. It can be overwhelming and that's why we're here. But with well there's also um an organization uh MACC which is Massive Association of Conservation Commissioners that provides training.

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The training is paid for out of our um >> WPA. >> Yeah. Our fund our our wetlands protection act fund. >> Um that provides training. um you're not obligated to be certified, but you have an opportunity to gain um education um

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in this field. Um, you know, >> I'm surprised we haven't adopted the fact that it should be a part of a mandate for anybody that comes onto the commission. >> I know. You know, I always had realized and understood it that it's just a

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really important >> Have you started? Have you done any of the webinars? Did you get you any of the books? >> I actually tried referred to an older email and I actually tried to register or whatever and I could not. >> Kobe, can you help her go through?

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>> No, she needs to call them. Kobe doesn't Kobe is she needs to call. They >> I did try. I couldn't I had trouble. Where did you get the contact number from? >> I actually received a um it was an email from MACC people. >> Yeah,

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>> it should be a phone number. Phone number there. >> I had a horrendous time trying to register. >> Just you surprised you went through that. >> Yeah, it's well worth it. It was just >> I must be doing something wrong. I don't know. >> At Holy Cross and they have different

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workshops. You pick out the workshops you >> and then they have it at Devon in the fall >> which is much nicer. And then they have it online. >> The webinars are the way to go. >> So, >> lots of opportunities. >> Well, if you have trouble, I can just I

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can do it fairly simply. >> Okay. Maybe I'll drop by and then you can help me through the the process because I I did try and I I was disappointed and frustrated. I was having such a hard time. >> Oh, that's yours. Sorry. >> I was like,

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>> unless my phone is glitching because I've had trouble to do that. That's all email. >> Okay. >> Um what? Do you know what positions are available in terms of the the

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um or the open positions because they're associated with the term ending? >> Yeah, I think I just cleared it up with Jack assistant clerk. The time the what year there? >> Yeah.

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Um so I I saw you had commission to disability and zoning board of appeals. Obviously you have conservation as the first one. >> Yeah. >> Um I remember when I came on um

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the commission at the time wanted me to come to at least one more meeting. Um I think that would be the best start. >> Yeah. >> Um and I don't know how everyone else feels. I know you get to see a bunch of it tonight. Um,

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>> yeah, I came to another meeting. I was good with that. >> Oh, yeah. I agree. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> What? >> I'm sorry for interrupting. >> No, you're not. >> I just updated it after Patricia resigned. >> Okay. So, there's a term ending June

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30th, 2028 and June 30th, 2026. So, um, you can think about that. You don't have to answer that right now. You can always just go for a couple months and then reup. >> There's nothing. There's no wrong way. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um,

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>> what? >> So, you're out of school right now? >> So, there's one year. >> So, I will be out of school May 9th. That's my graduation date. >> Okay. Um, I work till the 31st, but I

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should be fine. >> And you work down at >> Franklin Pierce University. >> Oh, nice. >> Oh, really? Oh, >> I'm a graduate assistant there. >> Oh, awesome. >> So, you wouldn't be a available until after or until the end of May or >> uh my hours as a graduate assistant are

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flexible. Um, especially with the fact that by that point it's mostly just games and so I'd likely be we film the sports games. I work at the Fitzwire Center and we film the sports games and all that.

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Um, >> well, take your time, m it over, look at some other commissions. Maybe you want to sit in on some other commissions. Get a feel of what's going on in there because you said you were looking into more town government knowledge and >> Yeah. structuring how they work.

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>> Conservation is one, but there's other other commissions that can enlighten you a lot more on where the town is going. >> I I actually am scheduled to go to the uh um the 29th meeting for the zoning board of appeals,

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>> GBA. They're an interesting group. >> Our next meeting is May 13th. >> Yes. >> Um we would love to see you here. Um and Colby you when for that agenda can you

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add um Abigail's um where is it in here? Uh volunteer response form under work session at the end and just put followup or something.

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Sure. >> Sound good. >> 7 7 o'clock. >> It starts at 7. >> Yes. Thank you. I I received the email that said to come at 8:30. >> We probably That's at what time you will

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fit in for volunteer response forms. >> We schedule it about 7:00. >> Okay. >> Beginning of the meet at 7:15. Then we start in on different segments of >> Everything has got a time. This is uh sometimes it's wishing

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about about uh any volunteer like I know Natalie too. I have no idea like >> uh that she wasn't going to show up and I didn't know Abigail was going to be here tonight either. Pleasant wasn't surprise. Yes, >> she's um Do you mind talking to her and asking her if she's still interested?

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>> Okay. >> I know she just got appointed to something I don't recall but >> it's funny story. um her husband um went to and there was a multi there >> list of Natalie's appointments because

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we just appointed her to the disability um commission as a veteran and I I'm not speaking for her but I think her dance card is full. >> Oh yeah, there's always hours in the

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day. Well, six different things. Plus, she's the veterans agent, so that's >> I know she does a lot. >> Um Well, we can't Yeah, I'm not I don't want to speak for her. Uh

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>> so I read her um Kevin Smith's stand there. There was a multi- um reunion, multi-year reunion there, and her husband and Natalie there. the class reunion. >> Yeah, class reunion. >> So, correspondents told me there was no

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nothing. >> Education conferences, MACC always has stuff. Uh discussion items for discussion at next meeting. Uh we have um 2.3 the continuation of DP number

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308-0730 um for zero perline road up Kevin Smith and then also um for the towns and historic society. >> So those are the two we're rolling over the 13 meeting >> as of right now and I'm sure Kobe has

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other stuff. Um I Yeah. Uh, ne do you have anything you want to add to that one? >> No, I do not. >> Um, next meeting is May 13th, 2026 7. I'm going to get a motion to adjurnn at

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9:30. >> I did the other one to move >> at 9:31. >> 9:31. >> I'll second it. >> Can't you ch? >> Yes, I can.

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We'll let you do it today. Roll call vote. Starting says yes. >> James Gates, yes. >> James Dorian, yes. >> Sandra Lloyd, yes. >> Thank you. Thank you, Lori.