like to call to order the um towns and conservation commission meeting for Wednesday uh May 14th at 7:03 uh p.m. And I have a roll call
starting present. James present James present. [Music] Stand for the pledge of allegiance. Our guest there can lead us in it to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. fall sitting on that anyway. Right. Uh this meeting is being
recorded. Is anyone else recording chairman's additions andor divisions? I do do not have any at this moment. chair report
um stop by and what's that 66 February 66 66 okay um I did stop and walk through there and um a couple weeks ago and Patrick Ki had sent a letter um I
personally didn't view any infractions I thought it was a very tidy site um that's just my opinion That's really that we had seven inches of rain in town last week. Yes, we did. Yes, we did. And the river
is right back down to where should be across the street. Victoria Lake appeared and it disappeared. Two and a half. You didn't have any issues with Well, you can go over anything in your chair or your agent report. Um, review and approve meeting minutes
for March 12th. Were they online? I couldn't find them. Which things were they online? Did you I didn't hear the minutes. Were they on? Yeah, but just today. Oh, okay. If you weren't looking at the
share folder today, you would have You want to look at them quickly? Oh, they're here. Yeah, we're fine. Here. No, I'm not. I'm not I pointed to Bob. [Music] Oh, nice.
That's nice. I don't know if we can Jimmy, you weren't here for this meeting and so you're okay to vote on which which ones will we be on? March March 12th. What was what was going on in the
meeting for 12? I think I can actually I think it was 56, not 66. It was for Jackie. No, I'll understand. Okay. So, we can't vote on those this time. Well, I I will
go up to look at it. No, you don't. Oh, we already voted on it. It was voting on amending the OC. No, I won't borrow. I you know what I'm saying? I wasn't at the meeting. I didn't ask do the SW or either. So, let's play. All right. So,
um make a I don't know. I'm not going to make a motion. We're going to actually move the review and approve meeting minutes um from March 12th to our May 28th meeting. What? I don't have to worry about that either. But and I will say I apologize
for being deliant for a few meetings. So we'll have two minutes for next time. Okay. Thank you. And those you did post them but today. Yeah. So well in the shared folder for Okay.
Okay. That's the only place. Not in you public yet. You're I'm walking into this one. You're walking into this one, Jimmy. You got to be able to open the folder on a computer.
Where's that on button? Oh, over here by the 1.7 report. Hey, Colby to the table just God, I was kind of out saying hi to Pat. Maybe all our fans out there can hear us.
All right, start with site visits. Uh, it's actually been three weeks since our last meeting, just the way the schedule's been. So, site visits start with uh 194 Dudley Road. There's a detached detached
garage proposed uh and it was going to be within 200 foot river front area and 100 foot wetland buffer. The owner since has decided to uh move the garage uh out so that it will be outside of the the uh
wetland resource areas to um it's a it's actually going to be much better project then. So that was that was a win. we completely go away from dealing with that with him moving it I mean for both of us so now like when
it comes across he'll go to get a building permit it'll come across as a IDRF um or just through the building permit web page and we can sign off on it uh 35 Greenville Road uh there's a new house proposed uh it's close to but outside of
a wetland buffer and riverfront area I mean it's it's real close about 30 or 40 ft up u away, which is why I went to see it just to make sure that um no um uh excuse me, the uh no no
other resource areas were missed. Anyway, I've already signed off on that. You did go out there and walk it. I did. Yeah. Is that Yep. That was the commercial when you build the apartment when we didn't have any because that was taken out of
commercial put into residential building, right? Yeah. Okay. Uh so that sign off has no wetlands involved. Uh 145 Mason Road had ID RF on it. Interepend inter department uh
reference form reference. Don't look at me. I would butcher that and I'm just glad it's not me doing it right now. Yeah, I got it right here. Why am I even working? Interdep departmental referral form. All right. Anyway, uh there was a
wetland buffer on the property, but the project was outside of it and no activity or work will be taking place inside the buffer. So, that's Mason Road. Yep. 145. Uh no wetlands involved with that one. I signed off. uh 37 New
Fitsburg Road uh has a large canopy barn structure um being proposed for the backyard. It's in within 200 feet of a perennial stream. Uh I suggested a RDA for it. Um it's uh you know between 100
and 200 ft of it but it's still and the neighbor built one that we then he claims he did it was in I don't know if our agent at the time did a thorough walk through or if it was during time of drought
was identified it as a screen what what's the number on that again fish 37 in Fitz is that near the palm lines near welches with the ballpark is yeah just past it on the right hand side near the power lines just past the power lines if
you're familiar okay I know right where okay yeah but that is has uh they may be changing their plans already so to get away from to try and outside of the 200 ft so when we had that drought a couple years ago there were I know of at least
one project that slipped through that um should have been a NOI It was issued enforcement and it did go if it was an RDA. Uh, no, it didn't go through yet. Then they had they retroactively filed.
Yeah. And I and I realized I was looking at it like like the wetest point in time in the last few years probably, but there were uh indicators of it being a perennial. And if you need be, I can go into it later. This is a very serious thing. Um, this is something that we had
just gone through. Mike actually had just joined us up on Park Barker Hill where a stream was changed from a perennial to an intermittent inter. Okay. Um, and as commission, we ruled that
state Massachusetts DB came back and said, "We're overturning your ruling. Please provide us more evidence." which in which I told the property owner, get your wetland scientist out here and schedule a time with and then that's when we we all went out
the gal from D which was the newer girl Becky Becky Rebecca something like that. Okay. Yep. Yeah. So they basically needed more information to be able to Yep. And it was just the the time stamps
of the picture. So, long story short, he took pictures. He did the process correctly. It just didn't have the proper documentation, but it's it's a matter of taking the pictures during times of non drought. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's as much as taking a
photograph of that area with a dated news with a dated newspaper. I mean, there's several different interesting forms that are accepted and one of them being one of the wetland scientists did three different shots, three different
news newspapers with this the date. Boom. I had like held up well as a piece of documentation with a newspaper on that issue. I I supplied the homeowner with uh the process to do that. I might have overloaded him with some information
actually, but he's Yeah. And I know he they they want to get going on it. They're ready to go. So, they they're probably just going to do the RDA instead. It'll be quicker to be honest. Yeah. Anyway, do I recall correctly that in that Barker Hill one,
there were three maps in question and two of the maps showed that it was intermittent and one of them showed it was permanent. I think so. something something like or the other way around. Yeah, there's some discrepancy and it the state goes by the one that says it's perennial, but the other two were were
credible resources, right? Yeah. So, I wonder is is it mass mapper the one that the state goes? I remember I believe so. Yeah. And what is that? Does it show it's perennial or intermittent on that one? You had to
ask. It's a hydraologic connection and you know it doesn't it doesn't mean that it's not a stream or doesn't mean it's intermittent or um perennial just means that there is something there. Yeah. And
it is a pretty flat area. The one on Barker Hill was on a hill. You could tell it was drained. You know when it rained heavy that's where the water would go. Yeah. And Barker Hill can be tricky due to the amount of granite in those areas and the extent of sloping in
areas that it it can elude water build up. Then if if you guys know the area, which you know that's the backside of the quarry area, you know, Charlie with a lot of water coming down from you and those big field it, you know, on and on
it goes. So you walked the site? I did. Yeah. And what did it look like? I mean, it had a 6 foot to 8 foot wide channel, 3 to four feet deep. Oh, really? Yeah. And I mean, this time of year was full of water. I
can see how it could dry out in the in the summer, but it's not necessarily meaning that it's intermittent or classified as intermittent. The had a gravel rock bed, so no plant
life in it. A noticeable current. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it can there was a swamp just upstream of it. Um there's Yeah, you said that the swamp. Yeah. And so wetland area. Yeah.
You know, I didn't want to actually do this, but I I went I I went and looked at it and it actually has a its own little watershed too, which um goes down into the river. So, and if you look at if you look at
the regulations, even an intermittent stream that has its own wershed emptying into um a larger body of water or river um that comes with uh regulations as well. So, because of its
flowing to those areas in Yeah. Anyway, uh can I go on to the next? All right. Hey, We don't mean to probe you. No, it's good. That's good. Uh 18 Main Street, uh which is Starbucks, the project has begun. Uh the
erosion control has been put in place. I know. Um we did a not safe. Um we met with the uh team there and did a pre-construction meeting. uh Beth Faxton uh with the planning board, she went out as well and spoke about the storm water
plan. Uh as it is a major storm storm water permit that they have. But yeah, this that's up and going. It's good. Uh they actually even had a blowout of with all the rain this weekend and before I could even get out there, they had
already fixed it. So with the the waddles. So anyway, pull out now and address it. I'm not trying to slow you down, Chloe. You know, you want to be those guys friends.
Um, you know, forward the guys, any any of the any construction project like that. Understandable. You know, because we did that whole with them. No,
just in general like Yeah, you did this like it was me, Beth. No, Jessica, Kevin. Yeah. So, we went over all the where the waters are going to go, that drainage area, what they were digging up the whole We got the whole big picture,
what the construction people were going to do. So, it would be good to keep eye on because it's going to get busy down there, you know. But once those guys start, they're going to bang it out quick. Yeah. They want Starbucks coffee in us as soon as possible.
Yeah. All right. Uh board of health building permit signoffs. Uh 23 North End Road ID RF on it too, which is a new house proposed. Um there and on the map there's no wetlands involved. I took a drive by. It is set back behind houses,
but there's no wetlands involved. I signed off on it. That's way on the other side towards the harbor end. Uh North End Road and it actually has two entry points. One on Wallace Hill Road too. Yeah.
The T up there which is way more accidents than you would think happened there. 19 Bom Drive there had a have a they brought a deck on and there were no wetlands involved. Seven Todd Drive. Uh stairs and a ramp on the front of the
house are going in. Uh no wetlands involved. Meeting and conferences. Uh I did meet with Jeff um Legos. Legos. Thank you. Uh for the open space recreation plan. I'll go into that.
That's on the agenda. So I'll go on into that a little bit more and it's going to be pretty brief because I'm not that educated on it. So, uh, uh, flood control meeting on 57. Um, I'm just going to read the blurb here because it
they write it better than I do. Uh this forum was part of is part of uh Townsen's climate resilient drainage master plan project which is generously funded by the Massachusetts Executive Office of Energy and Environmental Affairs Municipal Vulnerability
Preparedness MVP grant program which provides support for cities and towns to plan for climate change and to implement projects to build local resil resiliency. More information on this program can be found at
resilientmma.n.govmvp. Police had to elude the police there. Uh anyway, this is going to [Music] be I hope there's a lot of grant money here um that's available and it's um
there's stuff for studies projects. Uh they were doing they are doing the culvert program but there's there's much more out there. So, um I have to get going on that some of those things at least researching them.
So, but uh I could use help with ideas. So, if you guys have ideas for projects, check this website out and let me know. Uh, one other issue I do have to mention because uh, I issued an enforcement
order and that was on two properties located. Um, the addresses are off Main Street and Zero Main Street. They're near to the harbor and on Rail Trail. Um, and they are under the property
ownership of uh, Shephard Farm Incorporated. Um, you know, I think I will just read the letter. Yep. Uh, we don't have a quorum, so nothing can be done about it tonight.
So, uh, it will have to be postponed till a later meeting, but I can read the enforcement letter that I sent. U on behalf of the conservation commission, I am reaching out regarding work performed on two properties located
on Main Street in Towns and Mass. The map and parcel highs are 33470 and 34180. They are generally between the rail trail and the Squanakook River. uh the cutting of trees and vegetation is
in violation of CMR 10.02 which explains any activity proposed or undertaken subject to regulation under MGL chapter 131 article 40 and requires the filing of a notice. Ah I'm sorry I have to go
back because I missed the line. Excuse me. CMR 10.02 02 explains any activity proposed or undertaken within an area specified in 310 CMR 10.02 article 1 which will remove fill
dredge or alter that area is subject to regulation under master journal law chapter 131 article 40 and requires the filing of a notice of intent. The towns and wetland bylaw that was violated is chapter 150 article 2 which explains
vegetated buffer of naturally occurring plant material minimum 30 35 feet wide along all wetlands and water bodies to not be disturbed and labeled as such. 35 ft away from any wetland area. Not
third. How does that is 35 feet wide? 35. This is directly out of the Okay. The bylaw says 35 feet wide along all I was fumbled with 35 foot. As you said, you see how it's confusing when you read it in other documents.
It's our bylaw is not written. Well, that's it's just correct. Um the cutting of vegetation on these properties within the 100 foot buffer zone, riverfront area, and 35 ft no disturb zone uh needs to cease
immediately. uh we would like to schedule a time for when we can walk the property together to see if any remedial actions are necessary or if conservation permits are needed. And then I list my hours and phone number and my title. Um
and I I will say since then the the next day the m uh machine that was there doing the work was removed. Um but it will be um in the uh conservation commission's ball court to see as to
what they decide to do with this. Correct. So, we'll go through a vote at the next meeting whether or not we proceed forward [Music] um with a violation. Yeah. And you have mailed that correspondence to said
shepherd's bonds. I did. It went out certified um mail as well as email came back signed and received and it has not come back now with Mr. King sent out, received, have not got it back yet. Correct.
Yep. Um, nice job. Well, nothing that's nothing I want to do for those interested of what the process is. It is it's a part of how you move forward in the process, learning it, defining it to
yourself. So, better next time, whichever way it goes. Yeah. And without any more members being here, I think that's all that should be said unless you have something to say. So, uh, that that is the end of
my and I will make a brief mention of that. You and I will go out to see that so we can both take a good walk, take a good overview of it. Yeah. But, uh, we certainly it's private property so we would need permission from the make the
call. Okay. All right. Got it. Yeah. Um I would gladly like to meet with him. So blessing has come through. So we're we're move as after my conversation I've moved forward and now we're done, you know. Fabulous.
Time to get James back in here. You can leave them out there if you want. I mean we don't stop cold storage for a few minutes. Try to do that plenty of times. Do you have your garlic in? Garlic was in last October. Oh, you
planted it in the fall. Put the pre-emergent down straw. Wait for the spring. You're already up a foot and a half. Uh 3.1 group 10 placement of boundary markers. Uh voice club sponsors assist
putting up boundary markers on newly survey property on West Meadow Road and the leaf meadows. Um W and I believe also permission to camp. Well, they do and what camp? Well, they're out there
on West Battle Road. Yeah, I do. That's awesome. Would it be better at Well, let's ask Derek Cogn is here. Troop leader of troop 10. How you doing? Derek, if you want to
come to the table, I think that was awesome. I knew you would. I and if it isn't okay up there, they can come park right down my field, have a campfire, and
um so we talked to you when we applied for the grant or after we wanted it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you had to survey the two properties. Yeah. We were fine with going out to put up placards when everything was all set, right? Whatever our schedule was.
Um, it's assumed it's probably going to take us an entire weekend to do it given we're gonna have to teach the boys how to do it and keep the lines and everything. So, it' be easier for us to be able to just stay where the properties are as opposed to being there for a few hours leaving the next day and
just starting the process over again. So, that would be the camera. You already have the birds, right? We do. Yeah. So they're quite a few. So are they they're
blaze and they're going to nail on our conservation placard. What guidelines have you given them to mark on trees? What are you allowing them to do with fishing game will sometimes use a
particular color in my impression was we were just putting up placards and say this is the boundary of the town. Sure. We know. Yeah. The wet ones. The new says conservation area on it. Yeah. Like the ones I stick I got them out on my crop.
[Music] We have two different ones. So, there was a box of aluminum nails that I bought. Yeah. Um I don't know if that's going to be enough. You probably need to order more. I get those on Amazon. Okay. Or wherever you guys have an account. Yeah. Good point.
Buy some like they run out. I got a box of aluminum nails in the bottom. Yeah. Oh, how many are they going to put out? Well, that's the details. How many How many feet do you want do we want in
between them? Kobe is there a guideline? I was going to say does Massachusetts There is. Yeah, I I found it in a big document uh for when DCR did it. Um So if somebody's posting their property,
they have to have a duffy a certain height and is it isn't that same type of a guideline similar? Is it similar to that? So you're going to have to have a certain amount of feet, certain height.
Find out, Mr. Chairman, what the rig is. Yeah, because those are the details we're going to need. the height they need to be, the distance between them on your line of sight, the the starting points, the corner markers, all of that stuff, the plot corner mark is almost
you want them doing well. I I don't want to go I don't want the boys to go out and we're going to put up a line of then we're not on the correct line. Uh no, the the markings should still be there from the surveyor. Yes, correct. The stakes are still there. Yeah. As long as
we have the GPS of where they are and the bearings to go to the next one. How many of the little bullet spots you got? They're not all so little. I have 11 right now. We range from 11 to I think my oldest is
16 now. No kidding. And they just they just ran the district camper for 28 scouts. The 11. So you got a good type. Yeah. Mhm.
Nothing. That's conservation. I'm sure we could tie it to something. Orientation. Orientiing maybe. Um maybe surveying. You can put it under a couple different but they all need conservation time. So this would count
as that. And that is predicated toward gaining another batch for rank conservation times for rank. Things have changed the surveys. It did make it pretty easy
because vegetation just like straight clear lines up right now anyway. Nice. Maybe not leaves. More leaves come. Yeah. And that was we had Dillis and Roy do that, right? Yes. Nice. Good. because
they what they came in the best on bid, right? Yes, they did. And that grant money I think was completely utilized. Yes. Yeah, that 22. I have to go back but that
actually not sure how it happened but um that actually got reduced a little bit. So there James mentioned this too but there is some a balance remaining. So um goes to the WPA account. Nope. It has to get it goes what into the GF general
fund. Nope. It has to be used on the project. So you can buy boundary signs or or aluminum nails. Yeah. So we do have some money in the office. Boots.
All right. Gas expense. Do that. wrong. For what it's worth, in Massachusetts regulations for conservation commission, boundary marker height and distance are primarily managed at the local level. So
the placement of blazes in boundary science are approximately 5 1/2 ft. Yes, it's my height. Um, it's not as tall as Todd, so Todd is like six six Arsenal Arsenal.
Oh, okay. So, and then the signs are that would be Todd Jun. So, the signs are not the signs are not nails tight. they they you leave one inch of allowance for
growth. So depending on how wet the year is. So in other words, you're going to leave that now out an inch in anticipation the tree might grow an inch.
Please set intervals of 75 ft or less. Okay. sounded like that was more up to the discretion of the group. So 75 ft in a 20 acre
area, you're going to eat quite a few of those badges. You want to add any thoughts? No, just that it is going to require a lot of markers. Everybody's going to have a hammer. So, they're going to need pocket of nails. A
copy of the map that did for us and a copy of the D. Um, and I would start on the West Metal properties and because there's two up there, right? No, because there's some issues with the
Dudley property, right? But on West Metal, there's two different pieces. But like you were saying, Dudley's got a seems to have a glitch, a paperwork issue. Yeah. Um, and an encroachment issue and legal's taken care of. It
We're going to talk. Um, now they're also going to need permission to access the West Metal properties. Correct. Uh, depends on which property because one of them has frontage. Okay. And one
is Kevin knows better. Yeah. And so you I will have to we do have an ement. I'll contact the homeowner. Okay. Yeah. Will give me the green light. Okay. And then we'll have you'll have to
just take the deed with the the the lengths of each side and figure out how many signs. And I'm assuming those things from Dillis and Roy have the GPS for every corner marker.
Oh, for sure. I'm sorry. I'm assuming the stuff from Dillis, the maps have the GPS's for the corners. They do. Yeah. Okay. Or any angles that go into it? Yep. Just question. Due to the amount of money was able to acquire for the map,
would it have been in our best um interest to have them have put cornerstones in? I don't think we didn't have enough money left. We had like hundreds left that wasn't wasn't enough. Do you have any foreign homes?
I actually do. I actually do. Hiking up there might be tough, too. Why? I bet that top property it's like a repeat going down, right?
Well, you know what? I told Kobe I'll see him Tuesday and we're going to do a roundabout looking at some stuff. Why don't we take the time to go up there and get Yeah. do a little I'm sure someone lives at the hole that will allow them to park. Listen, I'm the mayor of West Meadow Road. I can do
something out there. You know, that's not a problem. Parking and whatnot. Even if we got to take the kids, park in my field and we'll card them up or whatever, you know, and that way if anyone's staying overnight because you guys are going to be camping
there, you're going to probably want him in my yard off the road with my security. You know what I'm saying? The bears. No, I got a turkey out there that's pretty ugly, pretty mean. So, he he takes care of business. So I I make a
motion that we uh approve camping on um the properties uh for the to approve camping by the boy scouts and um on the properties they are going to um put markers
on. Is there a second roll call vote starting Mike Pad? Yes. James Yes. I'd like to even say I'd love to see a little camp up there for the
guys. Camp Meadow Road. Seeing it right now. So, that's all that. All right. I don't know if there's anything legal wise or paperwork that we just obligated you to, but Okay. That would be the camping form
C on 7389. [Laughter] We have to give permission. We probably should notify. Got it. We might have one of those. Yeah, that's great. We deal with house of them, you know, and how they create
those badges and Santa. That's on. So, like I said, you guys have running water, place to park, whatever you need it. It's at the bottom of the road, but I'll cart them
up in the truck. We'll load them all up, drive them up, drop them off, or whatever you want to do. Whatever you plenty of area to park in the front, everything's good. We're going to move on to 3.2. Thank
you. Thank you. Thank you. Dudley Meadows encroachment uh compound property on road has encroachment from a butter's plan of action to be discussed. I guess this conversation probably is
going to be limited because we got to figure out how to feed this too. Yeah, it's a good place to start. Yeah, I can show you the be too. Can you bring me up to speed on what this is?
So, D Meadows is open space, but it was technically heated. It was the property at Mass. Come and talk to us about um but is the deed is you have a copy of the deed is there.
Yeah. So this is the property you discussing that we're having trouble with that conservation owns and we can't we don't own it. Um ambiguous a little bit and I can show you how. Uh so this
is for this is for West Meadow there. actually and they mention in the deed right here MGL it's MGL chapter 40 section 8C subsection. Yeah. Yeah. Um and in here
it only says open space on the DY meadows. So it's not entirely clear that um it's under the care of the conservation commission. Well, it's pretty clear that it's not.
Yeah. But our the property card for it. Yeah. Has it listed as conservation commission? So, it's understood by the town that we are in care of it. It's just [Music]
so what is the town admins thoughts on this? Yeah. Waiting for that comes under the regards I think of a verbiage correction. I don't know. Well, that's going to be something. I think it's I think it's a reding the property. So, does it have to
go to town? I'm waiting for I'm waiting for answers. The assessors have been uh researching it. Um and the town administrator is aware of it. So, what the answers are and you spoken
to Adam? I did. He's got that presently. Uh I I spoke to him about the encroachment issue. Yeah. He said to get an answer on this first. Okay. So I'm going to table this until we have an answer. Yeah.
That way we can make sure the horse and the c are in the right position. Yeah. Things are like slowly starting to turn on this like get this is slow. As you will learn you'll see that this moment you'll go. This is frustrating for you,
right? It'll be on the giddy up and they'll be gone. Hang on. Hang on. We're getting there. Yeah. But I want to start to get on public record though that this there's encroachment on Peter J. Drive. Yeah, there's my public announcement.
Figure out that probably Tuesday, too. When you say encroachment on Peter J drive, that's per that's private single housing. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter who's who. And they're going into the wetlands right side. They're going into
town property. Town property. And it's pretty good encroachment. So in other words, it's obvious visible fence. Gotcha. Because of the owners have any inkling
that this is I would think they would after the survey crew went through. After the survey. So, in other words, you guys went in there and had it reserveyed for Yeah, you were there. That That's part of the three properties we surveyed. But the Boy Scouts are
going to march. That's why we said, "Don't do that one just yet. Let us figure that out." Imagine the angry neighbors. Boy Scouts scaling the fences. The bounce for
that. Is there a bound for disrupment? Arguments using on the map there's a there's a little is there a strip on the back side of that property that has got an easement in it?
I don't know. Am I looking at the wrong map? some of some of the the maps that you sent recently and I was I looked at it and looked like it was the property and then from Mass Mapper did it show that
there was a strip of land and there was an easement on that land for Dly Meadows I think so okay but I don't know do you have you have the map I don't recall I have survey I don't know if it's prudent to put it
Now it would be because I haven't seen it. Um if I could share. Hey Harley, can you join the meeting? I don't need that. That goes with that what you have right there. My
agenda. I did you see what went on at these meetings that I missed. I should look at them. Hey, Hartley. Can uh Kobe get screen sharing, please? Should be good to share now.
Do I do something? Yeah, was a pretty quick meeting. 5 six. There you go. Want to maximize that? Yeah. Open it up. Thank you. Oh, I see. Okay. So, close
out the comments. Close out the all tools. We are looking at P to J drive. So, the backside water run is that big enough? Sure. So if you see our access here, this is
how we access it to D. My cursor up there and the right is on DY road. Okay. And this edge here, this edge of our of the town property comes all the way down here.
There's some violations along that along that port. Is it an actual like road or is it an established type of open trail? We have a trail through there. Um and even the trail is getting
encroached on on properties. Okay. So that's Oh, Mike, you're thinking the drainage ement. Oh yeah. Right. So you So you that's where the access point to hike out there is also. Isn't there a little spot where you can park where it
says such and such walking? Yeah. sign up there said what's it say meadows uh I don't know maybe I think something like that but that is the easement area which we're looking at there yes okay
doesn't take me long to figure out yeah since you're already screen sharing demonstrate encroachment to us show us the encroach keep in mind And this is off the mass mapper. This the pink line. Oh, it didn't go up.
Easy. Excuse me. Okay, cool. That's tough to see, isn't it? Am I to understand the pink line to this left hand side and this pink is that's the encroachment with fencing and everything like that in there. Yeah. Yeah. Keep in
mind though, keep in mind this is not as accurate as the survey. But even if they were short a little, you know what I mean? Give or take this way or that way. That's a lot of encroach. portrait does show that it's the boundary is more like
out here where my cursor is going behind this ship. Yeah. So, it's still pretty prominent. Oh, and would it be safe to say that's fairly evident
that people have kind of So that that house, that first house, I'm pretty sure that was previous owners that it that had done that. It wasn't the newer owners. Part of the problem, right? It's changed hands since it's been sold since that fence has been up.
What's gone off? Yeah. No, no, I know. Um, I mean, you want to see I have pictures here. Can you pop that back up? Well, he's got pictures. Well, here. Oh, he's got up on he's looking. Yeah,
it's tough because it's such That's the one I was about to use out here. But you can see this, you know, I at no point am I on their property. I took all
these from the town property. And you can see this is the back side of the fence. I do want to show you one one in particular that's there. Again, you get to see the
shed and what's behind it. The shed is on town property. It's It's um It's on top of it, I think. Yeah. This is a big chicken poop out there.
Don't do it justice, but it can be fixed up to make it a lot nicer. You're saying I mean tea a lot. So, that's just some kids putting a fort up on. No, this is a chicken. This is 20
by 25 ft on town property. Yeah, that's definitely on town property. Yeah, there's a lot there is a lot of trash that's [Music] uh Yeah, that's interesting. you
have you approach anyone or is this just the beginning scratching the surface of the next step? That was my first question for the and it was my that was my first intent.
That was my first idea was to get a letter out to them, put knock on their doors and he he suggested that this is a larger issue and to get to go through the board as far as to get the deed
squared away first. It's a deed for the town. It's no doubt that we own it, the town. It's just who controls it. So before we go start getting ourselves into trouble discuss
just curious as to how going to move forward minute we have the right away we can do the enforcement. Yeah. Now I I caution you that we need to be careful how do the enforcements
simply because people not they don't they're not well received visitors of this kind aren't well received. So it's going to get touchy and it's a territorial thing. That chicken coupoop's been there over a year. So
really eminent domain. That's my land. He can hear some fun and stuff like that. Funny on the map there. If you look here where the turs behind, that was pretty much this angle here at the fence. That's pretty much dead on where the
surveyors surveyed the property line. So, I think someone at some point was aware that the property line was more like back in here. And that's something I would just jump on down. And it's a it's a formidable fence. It's a nice fence. Oh, that vinyl
fencing is Yeah. Anyway, what are your thoughts? Put your closing thoughts on moving on way then we will I will I can have a conversation with Victoria do what she's going to do.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know that and there's legal matters that have to get settled. Correct before Derek can go put up boundary markers, but I I I'll have a conversation with DP and how do this how they come because they've been they must be confronted with
that all the time. I don't like the idea of fishing game gets confronted with that stuff to a lot. I don't necessarily like the idea of our agent going to door to door knocking either. Yeah, I won't I would not do that. It's I was going to
say this. No future in going alone. Oh yeah. I realize the business that could be right. Let's slowly take and pick this apart because that's going to get people all itchy. It is going to get more
rapid after. Are you saying we have fewers? People actually watch this. It's a few maybe not go to your people do go and watch the videos a little bit. Seems like we do have to wait until we
find out who actually controls the we know who controls it counts but it's according to the states otherwise.
So let's let it unfold. This will be an interesting one. Cool to 3.3 ACDC designation. Um what is an area of critical environmental concern? Most of housing is in the
[Music] um ACE. What does that mean? Though in this work section, we will discuss how the ACC with designated purpose points. Your parents are the ones that voted on
this. Yeah. Yeah. That was a long time ago. Early 70s. I think late 70s, but it was the 70s. It was the 70s. I know that. Yeah. question mark. Yeah.
So, P you have screen sharing and Yeah. Yeah. So, I I I uh wanted to start educating ourselves, myself included, on a couple things. Um you know, I think I'm starting with the most obscure program that we have in town. Um maybe
that's why I started this with this one. So with in the coming months or coming meetings when we do have time I'd like to review some of these things um along with wetland protection act which I put
down further on the agenda but uh this one I'm just going to read the first couple paragraphs because this one is uh different. It's not as clear to me. So, if you let me uh read a couple
paragraphs here, and I'll I'll get these documents uh up online, but they are easy to find. Um, are they on the town's constellation page? No, they're not. I can do that. I can get those up now.
I just took a webinar this week. uh areas of critical environmental concern program was established in 1975 when Massachusetts state legislature authorized and directed the secretary of environmental affairs to
identify and designate areas of critical environmental concern to the commonwealth. An AC is a formal state designation directed principally to the actions and juris jurisdictions of state environmental agencies. the Department of Conservation in Recreation
Amendments, the ACC program on behalf of the Secretary. There is a folder up there too with the Department of Transportation and Recreation Administers AC.
Currently, there are 30 diseases in municipalities covering 268,000 acres. school. Yeah. To that point, if you look at the map on there, we're in AC.
Correct. Correct. If it doesn't do it justice, if we don't have a printer that for color, we lost that in budget cuts. But you can see you can see the
coverage. um especially at Townsville for it. That was the best picture of it. Uh so the ACC regulations um are 301 CMR 12.0 and they are just uh
to designate the ACR. They don't come without any regulatory um regulations. What they draw from is a bunch of programs like to coastal zone management wetland protection act.
Yeah. Um a couple others and those are those are illustrated in here. So then it's a little bit funny because they draw regulations from other other [Music]
um what's DC an office or agency agency thank you um what they really importance is well I'll read this part it's important to understand that the goals of ACC designation are not
achieved exclusively through state regulations. Um what they do is they allow for grants and education opportunities. So let me just a little bit there. Uh in addition to the regulatory roles
described in the guide, several state agencies and programs give priority attention to ACC's through non-regulatory means. For example, there are several state agency grant programs that often give priority to grant applications for projects within
ACUS. Some state agencies actively participate in the review of ACC donations and state reviews of proposed projects located within ACC and these these documents here go into further
depose them at your leisure. Just one of the things. So this is just an introduction to it. Yeah. Um do some homework on it. The agricultural preservation research and APR program by um Department of Agricultural
Resources gives additional priority to funding applications for the acquisition of APRs located within Macy's. Just in a footnote of it, I do remember some of when my parents were doing conservation. I think that they had gotten the grant money from this whole
process to buy the Dudley Road property aquifer area for the water. This that whole structure of Dudley Road just down the farm all the way to the end. You mean
that's the whole area for the town water. You don't mean old battery. Every once in a while I go a little off the course, but you're right. Old battery. You were still stuck on the last one. Yeah. But on Battery Road,
that whole stretch was was purchased by the town through those grants for the acquisition of that aquifer area for water preservation. That's why it's never going to be sold. And that was some of the things they were doing back
then, you know. What? Sorry to interrupt you. What else do you know? Say again. Do you have more to add to? I know you've just done introduction, but I really don't. I'll get more information out there on your
website. You got to really read up on all this research. to get the whole game plan. That's you read about agriculture. What that whole So they're doing that project on 13. Um
it's a blower. What what project on 15 where they have those um bridges but um so highway improvement projects proposed by Mass Highway Department um are required to file ENF did that did they ever put you on notice
that that project was being done down there we rode I mean on no on route 13 across um the swamp by Dunkin Donuts next to Dunkin Donuts before the bridge.
The bridge the actual bridge the actual bridge which you know they just popped that in a couple weeks ago. I didn't even hear anything about it. No, they didn't. Yes, sir. But they didn't file anything like usual. Yeah. Is that a
long term? Is that a full bridge replacement or just maintenance? Okay. We've had to stop with mass I remember those covers the covers. Yep, I do recall. Which has been worse, which
they dump sand on top of now. I just saw that. And I've always got that situation going on again. Mike, do you have any questions? at this point. got
some greetings of you, but perhaps I will. I just was in the old living room just found another box of mother's notes on all kinds of different conservation projects in
Utah when that was all ongoing. You saved them, didn't you? That'd be cool to look at someday. So, Kobe, I think it's great that you introduce us to it. Do you want to do another piece that pertains to us? I know bunch
of this can pertain to like um the coast. Yeah. Coast is zone. Okay. Yeah. Well, maybe pick apart areas that pertain directly to us. So then we're not overwhelmed by it. But this is
irrelevant information. We don't need to again I'll go into it later. No information specific to us. Yeah, I'm just scratched the surface so far. Just started understanding
Thank you. Um the next thing is education conferences. The outdoor or open space recreation plan meeting at senior center. Okay, senior principal plan for MRPC
presented the final version of the OSRP for this bill to I don't even know what EO is available on the news website. Wow, we appreciate way too much and
Well, that's the FBI, CCB, and DB King program. Okay. Too much. Um, is there anything that we need to discuss regarding this plan? I just want again I want to present it
to people because it's being finalized right now. Uh, the plan is up on the land use website. Um it's again it's got probably 16 pages to it.
So at your leisure um I put up the get an idea about our responsibilities. Yeah. Thanks for catching me on that sitting saying road next batter. So we were looking at this uh before the
meeting and it's busy. This is a busy map. But on the left side and once this map is finalized, I'll put it up there too. I have to find the person with the permissions to the land use website right now.
Anyway, uh in the light pink where my cursor is over here. Far left. Yeah, far left. Thank you. Whatever color that is. Light pink. Those are kind of all the responsibilities I um for the
conservation commission. And there are a lot but um most of a lot of them are things that we're kind of already doing and they may be explained a little bit differently but yeah um there are some more specific
in there but uh I and u so Jeffrey Leos uh with the regional planning commission presented this at the senior center last week uh did a great job. And this has been in the workshop. So, we're right at the end. Uh
this is the final final plan. Take a look what we got to say. Uh and maybe you know future after we digest it a little bit, we can come back to it and pick out pick out the things
that we should really be focusing on that we are, you know, that we are normally not doing. Because as I say a lot of these we are doing your sense still kind of interested to
see on that map all of the properties control of fishing not prudently and properly and I asked why it isn't why is there not fishing in properties mark on that. Not one thing
says fishing game. Am I right? No, it does. Where does it say fishing game? Department of fishing game. Yeah, I'll bring the the dark green which not all of that is not correct. It is okay. You understand what I'm trying to say? It's it can't be
which I think DCR is the the primary plan. Where was the 89 acres that they just bought on West Road marked on this? Maybe that's too new for them to When was it purchased?
Two ago. Remember? Oh, close to two years ago. I'd say it was over two years ago. In fact, yeah, I would think that would be in regards of that is a large
Wait, put your finger on sport. Okay. Yeah. is where it goes in with Manson. Is that what you did with the I think the takeaway could be there is a lot of open spaces. If you don't if you just look at
non color not the colors just the accumulation of open space a lot. puts that in perspective a [Music] bit all the way there that goes all the way to I think you guys
like you got to take a little time and study it. You know, there's a lot to it. I mean, I I my own Oops. They don't even have like the trail connectivity right there
where the light to the dark is across and then and now it's up in where old that's off of Parker Hill. It's up past Charlie which I don't even think this is there isn't I think here because there's the
long narrow field that is Charlie's Charlie's not it's under the stupid yeah and you just go up over the edge there and you're in on hurricane yeah over here that is where you See you
now. Okay. So then you go Parker Hill. They have it all colored in green the entire way. Oh, no. It has the old Parker Hill where it used to work. Yeah, it's all open. Yeah. No, that's But that shouldn't even be on the map. Not even
really. Did I assume? Is this where I put my finger? Is that Kings right there? No, that's Charlie's. It's across the street from the house. Kings is on the to your left. No left. Oh, right there.
Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. So, that would be to the other side. You're right. Chapter 61A. Yeah. Yeah. I assume they've got it in 61. Why are we putting
potential? Why would we want What did you say, Jen? Nothing. Something that's probably controversial enough within itself. You know, okay, I'll say it. It has NHSP potential vernal pools, not
equivalent served by veral pools. That that to me is misleading. And if it it should be facts on this, not oh we think this is here. Yeah. Speculatory rental pools aren't good. I
mean if it is a rental pool and it would be literally registered, right? And everything which we have the ability to do too. This um
See and it is hard to take and declare you know root staining open area etc etc. We did a whole class garden in the woods in Framingham for just for that would be a good place for you to
go. Oh I'm familiar. I've taken classes in the woods. Oh yeah. [Music] Yeah. You can stop sharing uh can you stop sharing my computer please? All right. Um
items for discussion at the next meeting. Uh is oh I do that what sorry oh the mass WPA how is a wetland defined under um wetlands protection act what regulations pertain to it the discussion will provide an overview of the masspa
this is something that we go through every 18 to 24 months just because well it's just overviews of the different rules and regulations a little quicker. We like
that you do it a little quicker than a little more. Um they are not easy to read. And then we are going to discuss and review uh review and approve meeting minutes from March 12th and March
27th. Next meeting is May 28th. Is there anything else that anyone wants to add or comment? Well, just that the uh conservation restriction committee was going to meet tomorrow. It's been postponed. Uh but it's making progress.
Why was it postponed? Um I think because they I'm guessing that because the town meeting that perhaps some people needed more time. They couldn't divide the time
and do what? Preparation for this meeting for tomorrow. And what is the meeting again? I missed that. Conservation restriction committee to come up with the guidelines to create the restrict conservation restriction at the
Are there any alternatives? Bob is kind of the subcommittee for that, right? Yeah, I'm representing this committee on that. they've come up with any alternatives to um the holders the CR holder they're
still investigating hoping hoping to come up with someone some entity other than um but as a result of being on the uh committee I've come to I went on a a walk with uh Emily
Norton and I'm going to be one of the people who shadows and helps out with the I I was shocked at the number of the number the number of what? Jesus. The number of what? Don't Yeah. Yeah.
Involved in this now? No. The green little circle things that crawl through the sand. Oh Jesus. He already just said a disturbing word. I'll talk to them after. So, good. I think that's great. Yeah.
Yeah. And she's she hopes that I can be on the permit um so that it's more official than just shadowing and helping out. But, uh perhaps next year I will be on the permit as a referring who is this
individual return. Emily Norton fine. She holds the permit for this Emily Norton or Emily Emily Norton. Fine. She holds the permit for the endangered species listed at Squanook Meadows. She is the one that So
it is okay. Must be a different one. It's Emily Fine. No from Pawn Road. Yeah, Derek. This is just part of the fun for
a while. State government. She is um friends of Willard Brook or something like that. She was one of the founders of Friends of Willard Brook. I think the Galpies and some other people were involved in that too. And for some reason it dissolved. I'm not exactly
clear what happened. Yeah. I make a motion to adjourn our meeting at at 8:20. Second, I'll second roll call says yes. James Yes.