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Part 1 (Video ID: pwet5L9y_zI):
- 00:00:02: Call to Order, Roll Call, and Pledge Allegiance
- 00:01:42: Chairman's Additions, Deletions and Creed Homestead Report
- 00:03:07: Commissioner Sandra Lord Discusses Creed Homestead Investigation
- 00:06:06: Discussion Regarding Creed Homestead Incident Investigation
- 00:12:27: Review and Approve Meeting Minutes from March 25th
- 00:14:40: Agent Report: Applications, Subdivisions, and Beaver Activity
- 00:22:38: Notice of Intent Continuation: Brooklyn Road Septic System
- 00:23:24: Frank Provides Update on Brooklyn Road Project
- 00:31:38: Discussion and Reading of Abutter Concerns Regarding Project
- 00:37:44: Brooklyn Road Project Discussion and Extension Request
- 00:42:15: Question and Discussion Regarding Property Address and Wetlands
- 00:47:34: Townson Historic Society: Tree Cutting and Remediation Plans
- 00:54:24: Indigenous Landscape Initiative Collaboration Overview
- 01:05:12: Discussion of Invasive Species and Historic Society's Involvement
- 01:17:18: Invasive Species Removal Methods Discussion
- 01:26:55: Project Boundaries, Timeline, and Planting Plans
- 01:37:18: Community Involvement, Funding, and timeline of project
- 01:50:36: Tree Removal Mitigation Plan Discussion
- 01:54:35: Standard Operating Procedure Trail Creation Hong Kong
- 01:55:59: Land Grant Survey: Conservation Commission Control Properties
- 02:04:30: Updates: Mass Ready Act, Volunteer Response Form, and Trails
- 02:15:01: Non-Discrimination Public Notice and ADA Policies
- 02:16:36: Education & Conferences - DCR Basic Circuit Rider
- 02:17:59: Items for Discussion at Next Meeting and Adjournment


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I'd like to call to order the Towns and Conservation Commission meeting for Wednesday, May 27th, 2026 at 700 p.m. Um, >> excuse me. Uh, uh, could you please uh

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turn your video on, please? >> Yep. Sorry, Harley. >> Better. >> Got it. Thank you. >> All right. Uh, call me to order 7:05 p.m. Roll call vote. Roll call starting

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with Mike. Mike Pard present. James Gates present. James Dan present. Mike. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. This meeting is being recorded. Is anyone else recording? Um, chairman's additions and or deletions.

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We are adding 3.5 B here response form. You weren't able to get one in this week. >> No, they haven't that that's on the next select board meeting.

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We already talked to >> the chair about that. Um chair report um investigated a uh report of some stump grinding down on 72 Main Street at

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Creed Homestead and um it was found unfounded. Um and there were several reports of it. um one from our one of our own commissioners Sandra and again

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nothing had been done um so I slightly disappointed the actions of some people did it say specifically somebody saw somebody

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stunt grinding if it was more than one Sandra Lord 709. >> All right, here we go. Had you brought say louder, please? Because I know holding won't be able to hear it or anyone else probably >> me. >> Yes, please. >> Sandra Lord 709

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me. Um, it's concerning that something like that it seems to uh be more political at this point than factual. Um,

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we'll see where it all goes. Um, >> I'm sorry. What's going political factual? >> Talking about the false report of stump grinding down at the Reed Homestead. It was bust. >> Yeah. Did you go and look? >> No. No. I talked to about it. >> Then he looked. >> You can't do that. >> He looked I asked.

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>> Yeah. He looked at it and there was nothing there. >> Okay. >> But you can't if you get a report like that, you have to really go notify me, >> but also put eyes on it. We call putting eyes on it. You have to go look. >> Because I thought you couldn't do you couldn't go look at something unless you

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had official permission by the >> It's the recept. It's just a as much as a public piece of property in town than the common. >> Okay. >> But you can drive by and walk.

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>> Well, some of the stumps were >> You can see some of the stumps from the sidewalk. >> Some of it. Some of it. Not >> some of what? >> The stumps from the sidewalk. See them? >> Some stump grinding. >> No, no, no. You can see you can see the stumps from the sidewalk and determine whether or not they had been ground or

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not. >> Yeah. So you don't I mean if there's a question about actually going on the land, you can see from >> but I you know I went on the land. >> I did two days in a row this week. >> Yeah. Well, I just read somewhere that

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you can't supposed to go. I was looking at the handbook. >> That's why. >> Yes. But this is also an ongoing issue with that property and we're allowed access to it. >> Okay. >> Said something about

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>> but I didn't get a phone call about it. >> And Colby, you only work part or half day on Friday if you even have outlook. >> I don't generally work on Friday. >> So, okay. I'm still I'm still learning everything. Sandra, this is a a big

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thing like >> there's an ongoing not it's not an enforcement at this point, but there's an ongoing issue down there, >> right? >> And claims were made of additional work being done that hadn't been done. >> Okay. >> That's a problem.

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>> Okay. Okay. It it be it the from anyone on the outside looking in it is more looking like a personal issue between people versus

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you know the property and the work that has been done in the past. I just felt we had an obligation if some if someone had said something. >> Yeah, you have an obligation to go investigate. Who said it? Who said it? >> Who who said it? Because that that that

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is part of it. You if you want to if you want to report it um a violation to the state, you can report anonymous. Yeah. Anonymously. >> Okay. With that being said,

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you know, you didn't even go look at it. You emailed Colby. That's how you an hour. >> What? What? >> Good thing the camera's not there. >> Um, >> okay. So, I looked I looked at a document that said you can't do

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unauthorized site visits. So, >> but I didn't get a phone call with a a clarification. Why wouldn't you could have called me find your phone number. I didn't save it. That's a problem. So, I need to get your

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phone number again. >> I know you know people who who have my phone number. >> Have I even thought about that? >> This is becoming it's nothing personal on my part. I was >> I understand that and that's that's what I'm concerned with is that you're being

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used as a as someone to um deploy tactics. >> I I would hope not. >> Well, you reported false information. That was not my intent. I was trying to get this investigated. >> Well, I want to investigate. I mean, try

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and find out more about this. You know, it's tough. I know there's a lot of politics in town and I've always tried to keep it out of here. And right now, I really feel that the

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politics have crept in. >> And it's it's something that we try to do our best. We're all volunteers. None of us get paid. Kobe gets paid pennies, but gets a sandwich. >> I know. He's just trying to eat. I can't

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blame him. Uh, so we're all volunteers, but >> So, I do apologize if I didn't go about it the right way. I I do apologize if I did that the wrong way. >> But, someone sent you false information, too. And you have, you know, people have that's not the appropriate way to do

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something like that. only the person that told me. >> Yeah. And I you don't I'm not going to push the name names, but it's frustrating. >> Do you feel as though you should not mention the individual brought this

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information to? If there's a reluctance, there must be a reason behind the reluctance. Well, I feel that if someone tells you something and they don't want their name to be known, no matter where it is, it's I guess it's called like a whistleblower. So, I honestly, you know, I hate to name

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someone's name like, you know what I'm saying? >> It's a whistleblower if it's factual, >> but I didn't know. I mean, I thought it was factual. >> You went down there. Did you see any suning?

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Kobe, you >> you went down there and took a look at it after you received a voicemail from Mary Jane >> yesterday. >> I didn't see any crown stumps. >> But after you received the voicemail though, >> yeah,

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>> the email. Who did you receive the voicemail and the phone call from? >> I don't think there's this guarantee. I I kind of thought I feel the same way because >> but but but it but when it becomes political and and it it becomes a witch

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hunt the it needs to be known because that's what it's coming down to. We're we're tying up town resources that we can't afford to tie up. >> Well, it's certainly not my intent. I'm trying to do the best I can. I want to

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do a good job do diligence and that's all I'm >> and I believe you. >> I don't want to see you be taken advantage of in that regard though. >> I appreciate that >> because that's not fair to you. Mr. Mr. Chair, if a commissioner

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requests and asks him a question just now, the reluctancy to give me the answer I disapprove of. I'm just voicing it. >> So hurt. >> Thank you.

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>> Oh, you say that about me or >> Jimmy's on point. He knows exactly what I'm talking >> and I'm guess so heard means that it's reported that Jimmy's disappointed by it. But if you ask me or Kobe or >> both. >> Both. >> I've never been in this position before.

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I mean, >> I haven't either. >> So, I really don't know what to say, how to handle this, you know? I just >> I don't >> And I'm sorry if you're disappointed, Jimmy. I I just I'm at a loss because I I

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>> I I don't like being in a position >> that I just made it not pertain to you in any way, shape, or form. >> That answer your question. >> Let's move the motion. Let's move on. >> No motion. >> You know, you know what I mean.

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>> That makes for right now. >> Um review and approve meeting minutes from March 25th, 20 minutes. >> Yep. Same drill. Second drill. >> Oh, yeah. My name wasn't on this one. >> No. What you mean?

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>> Just let you know. It's not It's >> What do you mean? 1.1 I need on it. >> 1.1. Okay. >> Oh, is it further? I'm sorry. Um,

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>> oh, okay. >> 712. Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry. Let us know when you're ready, Sandra. No rush. That looks good. Need a motion and a second, please.

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>> A motion to accept the meeting minutes of I'm sorry, March 25th, 2026. >> Second pot. Yes. Mike pot said what? >> Second the motion. >> Okay. Roll call vote starting pot. Yes.

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>> James Gates. Yes. >> James D. Yes. >> S. Yes. They seconded it and it went right into the vote. >> Do you have a copy of the agenda? Otherwise, I got to look at my phone again. >> Oh, sure. >> Which is hard because it's so >> the second page.

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>> Yeah, it's it's um 1.7 uh agent report. >> The uh first page whenever you're ready, Kobe. I don't have anything up as usual. Um, okay. So, uh, agent report for 527.

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Last two weeks we've had two apps. One for eight old meeting house road. We're doing a separatement and there are no wetlands involved with that property. 22 Hayes Road is being subdivided and

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that's property 34-01-1. There is a and this is there's a map in there if you care to look. Um there are wetlands on that property. Um but the proposed work is outside the buffer. >> Uh

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>> so when you say they're subdividing it, are they building a house? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Uh so it's one house lot becoming two house lots. >> Uh I've had a mention this because it's been a few

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conversations with the the owners of Three Wire Away and their their engineer. Uh they're they've been asking about the rules and rules for adding on additions in other buildings

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and they're um they are right um they have quite a bit of wetland buffer on their property and they're dealing with frontage. So they have to redesign what they're thinking about doing. But um you know I

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don't normally bring every phone call up but this was three or four conversations where just discussing the the actual regulations but giving advice but making sure they understand the process. >> What sort of regulation questions did

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they have? Uh well they they need to get a delineation to ultimately determine where that wet line ends and how much space then that they have between there and

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our setback. Excuse me. >> Okay. Um I'm just making sure that our regulations are clear. >> Yeah. >> I see. Um, okay. So, uh, it is beaver season.

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There's been a lot of beaver activity. I've had now several phone calls. Um, including, u couple people probably about the same one on on same couples on Warren Road. Um but ultimately uh the

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DVD the highway department um responded to that call and they they >> they cleared out the cover and yeah that was the problem. I also responded to a

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Bieber dam in Beaver Dam that was backing up on West Mal Road Zero property. Uh uh that is a farm right along lock and that is an ongoing process. Um there

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was a backing up to agricultural problem. Uh yep I had visited 74 Hes road might remember or not. I I discussed 72 Hannes Road and this is a very similar situation where they had

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some hazardous trees um just outside that they were a lot want to take down and make sure that they are outside uh been spending quite a bit of time on uh storm water permits. Not our

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>> opinion James's opinion. >> No, it's not my opinion. I've been told it has been beaten into me that is not our jurisdiction because I like talking about it. >> It's um finalizing a couple submits one

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for road extension. Um, you know, along with that, this kind of goes in line is uh their finalizing of their uh conservation restrictions that are required for those properties which are

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age restricted developments. Um, it is one of the it's within the bylaw that they have to have CR on those properties. Um, and then there would be more on that. I

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think that that will probably most likely pour out to be a agenda item at some at some point because they're really they wind up being really smallized

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areas for conservation >> and the our bylaw is tied to the state's law. Our bylaw is a direct reflection of the state law. So it's it was the states MBTA act that has created this ongoing

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nightmare really it's tiny little postage stamps that they want conservation commission stuff >> I I can't speak to that I know it's >> I know it's all everything to do with >> is there a particular project that refers to it >> that restricted low income that sort of

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stuff so street the one Elleta is doing those have little postage stamps. What are they? A couple thousand square feet. >> They're quarter to half an acre. Some of them >> isn't it like usually in the middle of the project or

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>> town gets designed by the the developer beyond the outskirts which are um carries one in the development. Does the state have a number >> a size?

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>> I sure do. I don't know what it is off hand. >> I think it has to do with the units and that's the size of it. >> That's correct. What it is for how many units is for how big the area is >> at some point the planning board voted for us to hold them the CRS.

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>> Oh, planning board. >> Yes. >> Sorry. Just give us more background. Wraps it up. just recently. >> Just recently with planning. >> I don't know.

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>> Okay. I'm going to the meeting anyway. >> Um I'll be able to DPW reach out to you before they clear those. No. I didn't hear that question. >> No, we BPW did not reach out prior to

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clearing the cohorts of the >> next question is have they applied for a permit to trap them? >> No. Okay. Um 2.1 continuation of notice of intent uh

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PE number 308-0730 TWWB 2026-006 Brooklyn road assessment map 34 partial 14 lot one applicant Smith project is for the installation of a new septic system associated grading within 200

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riverfront area an amendment of filing to include rebuilding of cabin master for creating a h building approximately 7:15. It is 7:28. Hi Frank. >> Good evening. Um I apologize I can't be there but I had a previous commitment

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that ended right around 7. So um uh Zoom has to work for tonight. Um uh I wanted to give a an update on this pro project. I'm working on a plan set to document um

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what's gone on in in the property and it's just um unfortunately been taking me a little while to get everything pulled to together. Um and we had continued last last um meeting and I wanted to um kind of give the commission

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a quick rundown of what I found out out there. Um, so what you can see on on my shared screen is the uh 2025 aerial from Mass Mapper out at the site.

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Um, this is the pond that was built. Uh, this is the the area that was cleared for um, I believe a a pumpkin farm. And then the cabin is at the location of my cursor here.

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Um, it looks like I'm going to jump back through the aerials that are available from DP. Uh, 2023. You can see the pond is existing, the irrigation pond as well

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as the the the field. However, no work has been done on the cabin. 2021. Uh same situation. It looks like this is when the uh irrigation pond uh

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short shortly after it was constructed. Um and then this area had been cleared. And then you see 2019 um the that's the latest available aerial that doesn't show um the pond or

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the the the clearing. Um the plan set that I'm pulling together for the commission um I've pulled in um historical liar which um which is aerial tobe or graphical information for the

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property in the project area. Um, I've pulled that in for 2011, which is the um, as far as the contours go, that's the uh, latest one that doesn't have the pond. And then I've pulled in the most

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recent LAR, which I believe was 2023, which shows the pond. And I've uh sketched in the clearing and I have a plan showing all the other proposed improvements including the uh the the septic system.

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So I'm I'm working to get that f finalized so I can get that into the commission and um and and get this moving along. Um we have uh wetland delineation out on

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site of um there's a rather large kind of wet area um in here as well as >> we got a I wanted to see where the delineation was being.

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>> Yeah. So let me um I'm I'm going to see if I can if I can show show this on on my CAD screen. Um, it has been temperamental, which is part of the reason why you don't have a drawing yet is because it keeps dying on on me. So, um, fingers crossed that I'll be be able

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to at least share it tonight. But, um, so this is the 2011 contours. Uh, this is the wetland that we have flagged. Uh there's some other wet um associated with the uh for

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perennial stream along the southern end of the property as well as here and then a small pocket of wetland here. Um, I'm going to jump to the more recent liidar which you can see

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pond uh the cleared area uh the location of the um the cabin. Um so this is kind of uh conditions

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before they build the se septic system and finally this plan is going to show again the cleared area the location of the septic system

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the constructed cabin farm pond and of all all the uh the improvements out there including including the um the road that was cut in down to the property to the south. Um I did want to

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show on then this plan all all the existing logging roads that were there um as far back as I can see on the aerials. So to show kind of how that line lined up with how they were

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accessing the site now. Um, and I'm just trying to uh build as much information as I can to provide the commission. Any questions uh from our commission? >> I can't hear you. >> Sorry. Um, are there questions from

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commissioners? Again, I I I know it's tough when you haven't had a plan to look at. So, um I apologize for that, >> Frank. Um 2019 is basically the uh date where

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the pond came to fruition, per se. >> Uh sometime after 2019, between 2019, >> and 2021. >> All right. Yes. Very good. So, I was under the impression the cabin was there all along, but then was

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>> the foundation was >> there was a found there was a an existing foundation that um has since been reused and they built the the new cabin on top of that. So, you can see

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it. Um here's the um the location of the cabin from the 2025 aerial. You see this kind of rectangle here. Um, so I'm going to flip on. So the the the foundation is somewhere in here.

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It's you can't really see it in the trees, unfortunately. It was overgrown. Uh, it doesn't show up in the um 2021 either or 2023. But there was an existing uh stone

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foundation. Um the story or the what what I've heard about that was it was um built a long time ago as somewhere for um apparently for uh people watching

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livestock to to camp out there in in in the field. well back before this was for forested in this manner but um I haven't I haven't dug into historical aerials yet

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>> thank you Frank um I know there there are some of the here. Um, questions. >> You want me to come in after >> I don't know. I never got it.

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>> When did you receive that? >> They didn't get that. >> Yeah, I just just came brought it up. Um, so what do we have? >> We have a reiteration of all the voters concerns is what that document is. You want to hear it first.

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>> So this is a recent correspondent from >> Friday. So moving forward, we need to receive I I need to receive stuff for 48 hours. 24 to 48. I understand stuff when it was a holiday. So it's all good, man.

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Uh, can you email Frank a copy, please? >> Yeah, >> Frank. Thank you. >> There's going to be an email coming to you if you could look at it and take time out of this to do this. Um,

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>> are you going to CC down to the commissioners or you or are you going to read it in? >> No. Uh, >> it needs to get read in. >> Okay. >> Someone volunteer to read it. Yeah, the guy with dyslexia is going to read it.

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>> There aren't enough pictures for me. >> What's that? >> There aren't enough pictures for me. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dear members of the Conservation Commission, uh, conservation agent, we are writing as a Butters regarding the notice of intent application for the proposed

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septic system project at Zero Brookline Road. We respectfully request that this correspondence be included in the public record for this matter. After reviewing the available materials and the DP technical comments, we have significant

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concerns regarding both the current proposed work and the apparent history of prior activity on the property within um protected wetland resource areas and buffer zones, riverfront and riverfront area.

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The DP uh the DP comments appear to identify multiple instances of work that may not have been included in the current NOI submission, including but not limited to cabin related construction and access road, vegetation

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and tree clearing adjacent to the cabin, work associated with a farm field near the cabin and pond, and a foundation that DP states may have been constructed. without wetland protection act permit permitting.

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The DP comments further state that the work may have been um occur may have been occurred between 2019 and 2021 and raise concerns regarding possible unpermitted activity within wetland

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resource areas and the buffer zone. DP also references uh potential tree removal or vegetation clearing within the inner 100 foot river riverfront area and questions whether after the fact

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review or additional permaning may be required as a butters we are concerned about um uh cumulative environmental impacts of both the prior site al alterations and the currently proposed

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septic system project, including impacts to wetlands, drainage patterns, runoff, wildlife habitat, and adjacent properties. We respectfully request that the commission fully uh review and address before considering approval of

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the proposed project. And these seem to be bullet points. Whether any prior work performed on the property required permitting permitting under the WPA and local wetland bylaws. Whether permits were obtained for clearing, access road

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construction, foundation work, tree removal, and other land alterations identified in the D comments. whether any enforcement order, request or determination after the fact filing or other um compliance review has been

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initiated or considered regarding prior work on the property. Whether the applicant has provided sufficient documentation establishing that any claim pre-existing cabin claimed pre-existing cabin or foundation

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lawfully existed prior to the work referenced by DP. Whether historical aerial imagery and site inspections have been reviewed to determine the extent of alterations within protected areas. whether the

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commission has evaluated cumulative impacts uh from prior site activity together with the currently proposed septic system installation. Whether the project fully complies with the performance standards set by 310 CMR

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10 uh 58 and all other applicable wetland protection requirements. We also respectfully request that all relevant materials related to prior work on the property, including permits, plans,

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correspondence, DP comments, enforcement records, and supporting documentation submitted by the applicant remain available as part of the public record. Sincerely, residents of 201. >> Did you get that, Frank?

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>> Yes, I did. Um, I received the email from Colby and I fired back a call information that I I received it and um, that is definitely much of the same uh, bullet points that I'm working to document for the project.

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>> So, um, do you feel that you can have answers to those bullet points for our first meeting in June? First meeting in June would be >> 1310.

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>> 10. >> Well, let me just confirm. >> Yeah. June 10th. >> All right. And second meeting is June 24th. >> June 10th. I will um so today is the 27th. I would probably need to have

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something into you by the 3 at the latest. >> I just want to make sure you have time. Oh yeah, and I also want to make sure DP has time to review the >> correct. Yeah. >> So it came before

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>> Yeah. I think it >> review would would be difficult to have done before by the by the um 10th. >> Right. Right. Sandra, did you have anything I'm sorry if I lost you. Do you

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have anything you wanted to ask or comments? >> Um, >> that's quite a comprehensive >> list >> list. Um, is there any way I can get a copy of that so I can look? >> Everyone should have a copy of that. >> Mhm. >> I asked of that.

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>> Um, yeah, I think I think I'd like to >> a copy sent to all the commissioners, please. And it's also in the folder. >> We can easily print this out tonight. So, >> but it also needs to be in our um SharePoint. >> Correct.

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>> Um >> Jim, I'll I I'll work to have a response in by the by the 5th, the 5th or the 8th and um include D on that. That'll be that that that's a

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couple weeks before your hearing on the 24th. >> Okay. So, um so you're make you're requesting that we continue this till the 24th of June. >> Yes, I am. Thank you. >> And that gives D a little more time.

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>> Yeah. >> For him to be able to get >> a little more. It's comprehensive list. It's all >> correct. That's outstanding. Thank you for providing that. >> Yeah, and this is this is one that that the um commission wouldn't really be

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able to close out until D has buy in on on the comments. So there there there would be some back and forth between Colby and um and the D reviewer or circuit writer. >> Well, yeah, it really should be going

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back and forth with Yeah. um as a poll with the commission too. So I Yeah. Um so is there a motion to continue this

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hearing to or >> I have just one quick question? >> Yes. >> Lauren, you put this together. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I'd like to second it. >> I didn't do it. I >> hope someone be the guy.

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>> Okay. So, a motion to continue the hearing of notice of intent for uh NOI DP number 308- 0730 TWWB 2026-006.

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>> Is that good enough? Second motion said yes. >> June 20. Okay. Um, >> you said the date. >> June 24th. >> No, it didn't till June 24th. >> Yes. >> Sandra seconded roll call vote starting

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with Mike. >> Mike P said yes. >> James, yes. >> James, yes. >> Sandra Ward, yes. >> Thank you, Frank. Question. >> Yes. James, >> what zero look?

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>> What? We're in zero buying. >> So Kobe might be able to explain this better than I do. >> And who's paying taxes on that? >> Okay. I I don't know. >> I don't know the the numbers. It's basic. >> I don't know. Kobe, you might be able to

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explain >> which is 3841. >> Taxes. You can have the assessment. >> We looked it up. It was evil. >> Oh, wow. >> Would that be because of the >> There are many zero Brookline roads,

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unfortunately. Um that that just happens to be the address of this par parcel. Um, it's between, if you're on Brook Brooklyn Road, it's between, um, 175 and 2011 Brookline Road. Um,

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>> it's also um, it's behind, >> let's say, um, 198. It's to the west of 198 North End Road. So, it's it's kind of a it's kind of a backland parcel. >> It does have Oh, no. It's it has some

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front frontage on Brook Brookline Road, but it's it's essentially a backland parcel, >> but he does have frontage on Brookline Road, which would probably generate that, >> which is why it's zero Brookline Road and not zero North End.

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>> Correct. See? Gotcha. >> Oh, I like your questions. >> Say my name. >> That'd be great. Yeah. Next time you got to say your name here. Next time you have to say your name and your address, please. >> Siv

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my question is when you go to the towns of town towns and site to look up is my property at a wetland. You know, you get this you get this map like I'm doing here and then I go to another one for a blown up and it shows me it's I know

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it's not accurate. Is there a way I can get an accurate wetlands map of our area and zero? I mean, >> yeah. Yeah. Have it delineated. Um, so the the the quick answer to that

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is uh if you go to massmapper, >> if you look up mass mapper on Google, that'll bring you to the mass GIS um um kind of uh database clearing house that

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that's what's up on my screen right now. Um and that that provides somewhat accurate wet wetland lines as well as GIS property lines um aerial imagery all sorts of data.

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>> Everything that that's available from MassGis is on this. >> So if I ask what's on the what's what's now showing up there I guess the brown or best wetlands is that kind of showing there. >> Yeah. So, this layer that that I just

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brought up is the um Mass Detailed wetlands that uh the state has located. So, I'm just going to kind of toggle that so it flashes a little bit. >> Um what that doesn't have is

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finite detail. Like we have a wetland in this area and there's some wetland down here that continues up into this complex of wetland. So, it's it's not everything, but it's it's a good um it's

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a good indicator. Um but the commission is correct. The only way to do it to know 100% is to have a delineation done. >> Thank you.

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Do you think they built your condominiums in the swamp? >> Oh, I think they are. >> We're surrounded by swamp. >> All right. >> Thank you for joining us. Another night out with the end of June.

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If I have more questions, if you don't mind including myself, my emails, >> please or just the conservation email then I'll see you. >> All right. Thank you.

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>> Thank you very much. >> We should clean up our table. We have guests, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. This is the extra for the um >> Thank you. You got one, Mike? >> Yes, I do. Yep.

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>> Yep. >> Got it. >> Oh, we're running out of ink. >> Pretty thin, too. >> Should have something printing printed on the back. We're wasting money here.

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Ready for the next one? 752 3.1 uh Townsson Historic Society 72 Main Street. Um discuss cutting of trees and vegetation

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with within 200T riverfront and 100 foot buffer. possible remediation plans and development and consequences of an after tax filing. There will be no public comment at this time. Um

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I know Frank is here. I know Bill is here. Bill has hired another some help. >> Oh, would you mind if I speak first and I'll I'll introduce >> Yeah. You want to come to the table and >> Yeah. You want me to come to the table? Um I think one thing before Bill starts

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starts in I just want to give an update um real real quick on the engineering plan side. Um I have been working with the attorney for HMV to get um kind of a license to do work on their prop their

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property. I'm I'm assured it's for forthcoming um but I haven't received it yet. So that's kind of been a a little bit of a delay on my end. Um, I didn't want to submit anything back to the commission after that first round of

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after that first plan without h having that other bit of information in my hand. So, that that's why you haven't seen anything from me yet. Um, and I I know there are some other things that the historic commission would like to discuss uh tonight as well. So, um, with

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that, I'll kind of uh step back a little bit. Oh, Frank, actually, real quick, an update for 80 Main Street. >> Yes. >> The amended septic plan. >> Right. So, 80 I'm um I've been working

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to um dig through our our septic plans. We have So, what ended up happening here was at one point um and I'm looking at the wrong I'm sharing the wrong screen. I apologize. Um, at one point the septic system for 80 Main Street was going to

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be going in this wedged into this western corner of the property. Um, that that caused problems on a number of levels um, including the historic commission wanted to use that area for future parking

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area. Um, and because of the elevation of the septic system, that wouldn't be fees fe feasible at all. uh what we've worked out with the historic commission as well as an um an abing pro property owner >> yes

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>> u historic society >> society society I apologize towns and historic society yes um the uh what we've worked out with my client as well as in a butter is the septic leech field

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for the the church is going to be on the north side of Main Street. Um so this area would now be available for that that that future park par parking that that they want to have there. Um,

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>> so we we disc we told Jacques at um I don't know a couple meetings ago when he was here that um there just needs to be an amendment filed for this plan um because you know there was flood plane storage associated with it and um

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other calculations that I just want to make sure are um recorded >> addressed. Yes. Um I I was um I was dating through our file for for this property just trying trying to find uh trying to find the right plan that to

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amend to send back to the commission. So I'm um I'm working on um digging that out and I hope to have some something for you for the um for the that next meeting. >> Um >> and this refers to the septic going across the street

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>> just just the update of the church. >> Correct. So, so the um everything basically we're pulling work out of your jurisdiction. So, that leech field is now gone, >> right? But, you know, one of the things

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we told Jacques was, and I really need to back off from talking about 80 Main Street too much because it's not on our agenda 72. True. But um you know the the tree cutting associated with 80 Main Street should be addressed in the

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amendment amended plan. >> Understood. Understood. And um I I do need to get back out with Colby to make sure that um my numbers and his num numbers match um as far as what got cut

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cut down because I um my plan had been based on my my notes and I think he had some additional trees. So I I need to make sure that what I have matches what he has. So um I'm I'm I'm going to be

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setting up um a time to meet with with him. I meant to do that earlier, Co Colby, but uh uh the weeks are getting away from me, unfortunately. >> So, they've got to go out do another stump count because they could >> No, I I missed count some of them, too.

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Took me two tries. >> My Yeah. Um I had less than what Colby had, Jim. So, I need to make sure I need to make sure that my numbers match >> Col. No. So I had the same same So now we're talking about 72 main

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>> 72. Yes. >> Um so I had a similar um encounter where I went out yesterday looked at them and I had missed um several of them. Um,

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so in the numbers that Kobe had with the map that he drew, um, match, but um, >> and we did have some stumps that were cut that were not next to the house. Wally had just to, but they were old

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stumps from >> Okay, that's what I was wondering. Yes, >> I had pointed them out to Colby, so we were aware of them. >> Okay. Um, and there are some that are outside the 100 foot as well. >> Okay.

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>> The one at the uh >> right next >> right here is that one bordering. It's like 92 feet >> from the water. Not from the wetlands. I didn't but I wasn't going to go get covered in ticks either.

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>> Um, so Okay, Frank. uh or Bill or uh >> Yeah, please. Um um Bill and um and is uh anyone else there, please uh I think step in at this time so we can

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>> let you have the floor. >> Okay, >> you're ready. Um, yeah. So, I'm going to go go back because this is a sort of a complex story that we're telling here because you're talking about the Townson Historic Society and I know we're on the agenda, but in order to understand what we're doing as a historic society, you

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actually have to understand two other nonprofits that are involved in a in a in a group project. Um, so one of them is Quantico Greenways, which owns the MBTA uh which controls the MBTA lease. So owns a lot of that property back

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there. The other one is Schlamya. Shamia is a lightfoots nonprofit uh indigenous landscapes. Is that correct? >> Indigenous landscape initiative >> initiative. Okay. And um we have been working Michelama for over a year now as

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Quantico Greenways. We originally that was the original the partnership was just those two nonprofits not the historic society. and uh she approached us with some very interesting ideas about um restoring native plants, removing invasives and then doing it in

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a way that is also informed by indigenous um you know knowledge. And I'm going to have her talk about our plans in a minute, but I just wanted to give you a reason why she's talking about it at this meeting. Um so originally we had a thought that she would do a bunch of work on the rail

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trail land um which is along Harbor Pond there. That was our first target and indeed you know that project was underway and um from the point of view of the historic society we got involved because we got into the issue with the

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trees being removed and um you know we ran into that issue and I thought you know one way of ailerating the the tree issue is to do additional work on all the property that is along the harbor

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pond. ond because such great ideas for the rail trail property. I thought we could also include the towns and historic uh property in that whole thing. So complete the entire because at some point that that land is historic society's land sticking out to the pond,

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not the not the ribbon that the uh MBTA and Quager greens controls. So, we decided to get all three nonprofits involved and we thought, well, I mean, the historic society really doesn't have a mission to do invasive plants or kind

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of that kind of thing like that. But we could we could justify it by saying, okay, this is our way of making up for some of the things that went wrong with the tree removal. Um, so our vision would be, you know, we definitely want

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some of the trees replanted, especially those behind Harbor Church. Um, but we would prefer not replanting every one of those trees because we are trying to recreate the historic feel of the 1800s

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when there would have been much fewer trees back there. Um, you know, this is obviously something that ultimately you decide, but we are throwing that out there as an option. So the fact that we can then you know help out this project financially and you know with volunteers

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and things like that. So we are actually paying Frank for doing this permining process. This historic society is not fine greenways. Um so we are effectively you know pushing ahead with this project in in the thought that maybe this will

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help with the tree uh issue. And so that's one of the reasons I know we're not actually on the agenda, but I would like you to just shia give you a brief overview of what we're doing for the for the >> Well, you are on the agenda, but Oh, for the church. You're saying the church is

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>> everything all included. >> This is it does cover properties, >> right? So it actually Well, it covers this property, too. Um, so that's one thing I just wanted to have her give a very brief overview. You know, she's not doing the official filing yet. him as

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Frank hasn't gotten the official filing yet, but this is will all be part of the same same filing. You know, the tree issue, the invasive plants, hopefully as long as you guys accept that that can be something that is a substitute for replanting every one of those trees. Um

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and um so we will be submitting all that together. In fact, we know there's a bunch of other things going on at the Reed Homestead that we want to be dealing with, too. We have a tight tank issue at the breed homestead or not very tight tank issue.

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Heard the shock. So there is a bunch of things going on that we would like to have Frank work on and put all together. The one thing that we would like to make separate because there is a time constraint is that um permit for putting

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the scaffolding in the river. So that should be separate. >> Yes. Um um that's that's an RDA that um I'm under contract for Bill that I need to get into the commission also. >> Yeah. >> So that that is a separate thing. >> RDA. >> Yeah. >> So I just want to be clear that's

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separate because they're actually putting the the the siding on the on the coupage right now and getting towards >> having to get that. >> Yes, I know that's Frank's issue, but I just wanted to make that clear that we've got a bunch of things going on.

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Reed Homestead We're combining them all together. We're hopefully just do a single filing. That's what we agreed single file if it was to that stuff. >> Yeah. Except for the, you know, the scaffolding was obviously separate property. >> That's I just want to be clear. >> And that's why I said the church is an

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amendment because it's a separate property. So, >> okay. >> Um, >> do you have any idea how close they are to getting ready to get the scalping in? I mean, >> be careful. >> Just an idea. They're getting that close. So it's >> weeks.

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>> Okay. >> We're going to get that in then. >> Yeah. >> I said that so they would understand. If it's in a couple weeks, it's coming up quick. >> Yeah. Receipt. >> Okay. >> I understand that that that that's

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looming, Jim. >> So would you guys like to listen to >> She's a very interesting person. You have to you haven't met her yet. I don't think I don't know if he wants to.

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>> I mean, I don't know what I'm happy to tell you about the project that we're talking about. >> That'd be great. >> Okay. >> You want to show them the map? >> I I I can grab the map. >> Yeah, grab the map. I think the map really >> We don't want to put pressure on you and then

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>> you can just give me the bill to do it, too. You're good at that. Um so I started yeah I guess about a year and a half ago I was connected with Bill and the um it's one of the greenways and we

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talked about so the indigenous landscape initiative we call it inland for short and we're a very brand new organization and the mission is to work with um non-native and also native communities so communities of people who are Native

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American and non-native American to bring um Native American land stewardship practices and approaches back to land of the region for the land's health, for the community's involvement with the land. Um ultimately

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also for food um and and connection and enjoyment for people. Um and we were talking about doing work on some with some of the land along the rail trail. Um and we talked about several spots

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including um kind of behind the Harvard church leaving house. Um and we talked about approaches to invasives and doing um invasive work as one early step ongoing but also early step of

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stewardship. Um and so we kind of settled there and we talked with um the um historical society is also involved because there was sort of behind the church. So we kind of all spoke together

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there um about what that project would look like. Um and it's going to focus at first on addressing invasives in various ways. I can go into whatever types of details you want. Um and then I guess several months ago um we were walking

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kind of looking at what the area was. Um and there was um there was an um in we kind of delineated what the the boundaries of this project would be. Um I don't know what what how much detail

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you want. I don't want to waste everybody's time. >> Well, you're not wasting time at this point. We've we've gotten into this and >> disrespect was >> but the invasives are they're concerned of the commissions and um the community

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>> there are a lot of them there and there also a lot of really exciting native species but um but yeah so then we were walking there was an area that Bill was like well you know that like we stop here I'm not sure whose parcel that is and then when I was going back we were

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we were working together on a grant proposal um which I have a copy if you'd like of the of the grant proposal. Um but I was looking at the maps the mass GIS maps and it was this area here. I'm trying to

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show you around. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> This is the part of the project area. >> Okay. Um, so it was this area here, um, that I then was looking at and I was like, well, that's towns and historical

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societies land according to this. I don't know how >> I I mean, at least according to the MassGis delineation, um, that's what it was. And Bill said, "Oh, sure. Well, then, you know, let's include that, too, as part of the project." So, now we're talking about working with this whole

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area here. >> Samuel, you want to see? >> Sure. But really in the overall big picture, anything in the regards of removing any invasives, anything involved in, you know, trying to generate some of the older

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>> noninvasive plant life and encouraging it and getting it to grow. I mean, she >> I remember growing up in the 90s and fishing on the pond and you could walk up absolutely >> almost the entire length of the homestead and now you have this little

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pass down to the water to fish. >> Um >> we we have got a lot of invasions that they are very aggressive and they have >> just taken over areas and drove >> what's fascinating is why but that that's not necessarily for today but why

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they're exploding now is a whole question. Um so one of the things that we like to um learn is the trees that were cut down um in your opinion because you obviously

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saw you've been working with them for over a year. um you know your professional opinion on were those the right trees to take down um or is there a net benefit to those coming down?

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um as of just one question. Um but the extent of the invasive removals, your methods um and um do you plan on starting and completing a section and then moving on once you know something's been reestablished or your bases removed

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and plants natives um reestablished or um yeah I guess your method. >> Yeah. Um, so I don't have a I don't really even know which trees were removed and where

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exactly there I mean I was walking around there the other day and I noticed you know some stumps in different places but I have not really been brought in on that conversation. Um, so it from what I from the stumps that I noticed from

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where I happened to be walking the other day, um, they were closer to the houses closer to the house than we would be working. Um, so kind of not directly relevant. Um, one of that I mean in

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terms of the I'd have to I have to go and really think through because we hadn't been planning on working all the way that way up toward the house. >> So there Yeah, there's there's some along right along the edge of the lawn

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um with where the buffer is. Um, and yeah, I emailed myself pictures, but um, I found that a bunch of the stumps that are closer to the wetlands, they looked diseased or dead. Um, Mike, you

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were able to look at it. What were your thoughts? There were four of them. It was a mini mini pot mini brook and three of them the evidence would indicate that um they

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were either dead or dying. There were huge slabs of bark that were lying on the ground with uh near three of them. One of them I wasn't quite sure, but three of them clearly showed that they were old, they

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were dying, they were already dead. Um, >> some of the other ones didn't look like they were suffering too much, but that's >> Are you referring to the trees on H andB

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closest where the the the switching box is there right in the front or are we next to the >> trees? Exactly. the Verizon box, the green box next to the >> Oh, I didn't notice that.

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>> You missed them like I did. >> I looked over and noticed stumps there that were relatively small, right? They were >> Yeah, they were they were What were they? >> Just abodies. They were an ornamental. >> Yeah. >> Non native to our area really.

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Um, >> I think Jimmy was more asking what are your methods of removing these invasives? I mean, I attack a large area, acres of it. >> It isn't. It isn't. It's not a small simple project.

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>> No, it is not. >> I mean, if you feel as though you can go in there with volunteers and hand clippers and pull and yank and tug and put them in the wheelbarrow and slowly do it, you'll be there for a hundred years. this.

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>> Uh, yeah. And then how long do you think a project like this would take? >> That's a really good question. So, I will be able to tell you more probably in the next two to three weeks. We're having um two experts in invasives

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um and in indigenous land stewardship practices. One of them native, one of them. Um but but they're both kind of experts in this area. Um, and we're having them both out hopefully in the next couple weeks to come and look at the area and write up a plan, sort of assess what's there and write up a plan.

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I've been talking with them about what I've been seeing. Um, but really the next step for the project is for them to come and really look at it and and write up the what they were going to write about that. Um, and then I'll be able to tell you more. Um,

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>> would you guys or Colby be interested in you let you know when that's happening and then >> Yeah, that' be very interesting. with that. >> I imagine but I um and

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>> I Yeah, we have to obviously be careful how many of us come, but the commissioners. >> Okay. Well, and I know we might have hopefully have new commissioners on, but I mean they come on too. So, um, >> extra Indians, get them out in the

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field. >> But, but in terms of our method, I mean, I think so, the way we're viewing this is as a long-term, um, commitment to working with the land and working with the community. Um, what I keep have kept

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saying is we're not looking for an in-out project. Um, working with the land is a long-term thing. And one of the things that we learned from indigenous practices is you don't just do something and then the land is good and you just ignore it, right? They were constantly working with the land um to keep it healthy.

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>> Takes a lot of time >> and so you go in and you work on some and we'll see. I mean I think our I'm hoping that our capacity will build up over time. So we'll see what we can do. We've got a grant that will allow for one event over the course of the summer.

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Um see who we can get out to come and help. We've got um tools that are great for pulling up things with deep roots um and that are you know tenacious um so

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um you know hopefully that will make some progress but when I look at that area like that that we're we're going to this is not a one weird thing this is not a quicky project um we're going to need to work on it and then we're going to need to u a big part of our approach

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is that you foster the overall health and the overall balance of the ecosystem. Um because things become invasive when the health of the ecosystem declines or its diversity declines and then you can then those the things that could become invasive

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whether they're native or exotic often exotic but not always will then start to invade become invasive right when things are out black. Um and so um the idea is at the same time to be planting in um native species that are um both kind of

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a diverse suite of species hopefully so that we can get some of that diversity back. Um also to plant in some pretty aggressive species that will be um that won't in themselves become invasive but can kind of hold their own. Um, I've been watching, um, and I've I've talked

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with other researchers, um, who watch kind of which native plants and and and exotic invasives can kind of, um, be in battle with each other in a way that you could see the native ones kind of holding their own. Um, and kind of give

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those do other things to kind of give those an edge in the site. Um, so we're not talking about just going in and yanking. that's going to be part of it. But >> longterm management plan >> ultimately part of what we want to do which is absolutely central to

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indigenous stewardship is prescribed fire um >> is what I >> prescribed fire >> um where you bring fire. It used to be that native people would put fire on the land where you have these low cool burns um that would foster diversity,

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biodiversity of the species and foster nutrient cycling. And I could go on for hours, I have gone on for hours about the benefits of this and how the land is just sore from not having it. Um, and I'm in touch with the um different

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agencies and authorities in Massachusetts about um how what it would look like for us to >> to do it on a small scale >> to put a fire back on the land on a small scale. I mean, it's great that we're like that area kind of is also right next to the water. The wind's off and going towards the water. Like

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there's a lot of reasons that that could be conducive. Um, and that also >> you got to do more homework. You got to understand where the D stands with burning >> years ago. No, >> years ago we were burning open fields. Years ago we were burning back the

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blueberry >> every seven years in cycles. There was a and this is up in North Conway. We did a great deal of applications fire retarding burning strips through the area so that we would not have that type

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of a major burn. So we would burn forest areas, we burn blueberry. I mean and we attacked invasives the same way. >> Yeah. >> Things have changed. Yes. >> So, how what do you mean by they've changed? >> Have you seen anybody have you have seen anybody in the area permitted for open

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field burning? >> Uh, yeah. Southern New Hampshire there. >> Southern New Hampshire, >> right? >> MA doesn't do it anymore. >> Yeah. >> I'm just saying I I know specifically from the Murdoch that were doing it up until 5 years ago when they got fined

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from the D for open burning when they didn't call. So, it's it's changed. That's, >> you know, >> I I'm excited to hear that someone's willing to push for it. >> We're going to push for it. >> Well, we believe in burning. I do brush

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fires every year, >> but with invasives, >> that low fire, >> right? Right. There's a lot of different methods. There really are. >> And a prescribed burn. >> It's part of restoring the ecosystem. It's not your first step, especially

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when you have the types of plants that you have there now. Some of that definitely needs to come out before you even talk about >> still. >> Well, you had a couple of years experiences and some things to

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investigate. I don't know what the rules are, but um vinegar. >> Have you ever tried eliminating plants with vinegar? >> I have read about it. I >> Well, okay. So, uh, last year and the year before I was able to get 20% acetic

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acid. I think vinegar is what, 4% or something. >> Very minimal. Very minimal. >> Yeah. A little bit. And so I had 20% and you just put it in a spray bottle with um a few drops of detergent and it helps it to stick. And on a sunny day,

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very controlled, you know, you spray it on and I'll be darned, it kind of worked. Okay. Well, this year I was able to get and you can get it at Lowe's, Home Depot, you can get 49%. Okay, so it's half acetic acid, right?

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>> And um in one day, it just burns the heck out of anything that it touches. And so there's one location in Pittsburgh that I'm associated with and there was a a patch of some pretty aggressive um uh

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poison ivy and um this other guy who um and myself who are don't get poison ivy. Uh we were able to rip up quite a few of the roots, but there was still some patches that were really pretty pretty solid and pretty healthy. sprayed them

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with this stuff and a day later they toast and and so it's near water but I don't know what the rules are about acetic acid near water but it's it's vinegar. >> That's something to look into. >> Oh yeah, it was it was amazing. >> It will help with defoliation. One of

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the tricks is that then if you're if you're not going to yank it from the roots, you have to keep going back, which you can do. >> Yeah. We go back a number of times over the season and just keep doing it. >> Yeah. And it's so easy and it's so controlled, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Right. That's a great

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>> um what were some of the invasives that you observed on site? >> Um >> bittersweet the most prominent. >> Bittersweet. Yeah, bittersweet is all over the place. Multifllora rose is there. Um barberry is there. Some um

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>> Oh, yeah. And barberry was they planted a lot of it, too. >> Yeah. Invasive honeysuckle is there. >> And you got to see some frag common recommen. >> Okay. >> It's Yeah. >> No doubt about it. >> Rocket.

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>> Which is it? >> Rocket I think it's called. >> You're our expert. Tell us. >> It's a mustard. >> Okay. >> It's us. It usually has sort of a purpley >> and it's more of a ground ro. No, it is.

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You know, you know, you know what they call um silver dollar plant that um it's got these >> that >> Yeah. Some of these discs with two or three seeds inside it. Okay. >> It looks like that. It looks like

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imagine um uh a yellow mustard >> that you see growing around. Just make the flowers bigger and turn purple and that's >> And now did you see anything under the water on in >> I did not detail in the water yet.

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>> Yeah, we we've seen it further up in the headwater area. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> there's plenty of invasives to go around. >> Yes, there was a grass apparently or cheap grass that if I was one of the >> canary

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>> canary grass. Thank you. Yes, canary aggress. That one I did not know how to ID on site, but I sent a photo to our one of our invasive experts and he told me what it was. Like there's a lot of that. It's a big deal. >> It's very aggressive and but it's still of a feed quality.

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>> Okay. >> As far as its harvestable, >> what is Charlie? Okay. What is Charlie? What is it across? >> Canary. No, I just >> You knew what I >> You bring in the goats. Um what what

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sort of native planting the goats? That's a great idea. >> The goats, I'm telling you, poison. >> I would put my money >> on control goat areas to deal with them. And I've seen some some crazy success with

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the goats. >> I absolutely love the idea of bringing in goats. Um that is a big a big piece of the conversation from our end. >> Absolutely. >> Um I one of the things that I want to make sure we do right they'll they'll

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bite things down and we want to make sure we can also pull things out. Um >> well sometimes that's the problem because sheep when they would graze they would pull they would pull all the all the grassland areas out and it would not

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grow back cuz they were so efficient in eating it and chewing it. That's when you got into the dust bowl area. >> Amazing sheep because I know >> there's a lot of different applications as to the animal etc etc. Chainsaw has a part in it and all this everything.

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>> Polar bear. Are you familiar with polar bears? >> Polar bear. We don't have any. >> Polar bear. It's it's just it's it's also called there are other ones that are called weed wrench but it's >> Yeah, we have we actually have a re weed wrench. We we've got one in the office.

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We've had it in there 10 years. We'd be more than glad to go blow the dust off of it. >> Another one by here, not even like three years ago when we had an invasive training. >> Which you can borrow. >> Thank you. >> It's available.

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>> So you you're going to meet with um some additional >> professionals to come up with a plan. When what is the time frame for um a preliminary uh plan.

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>> That's a good question. So, I'm trying to get a hold of one of the experts right now who's had some family stuff come up and is is has not been as easily reachable. Um the thought um among the rest of us was to try to get out there

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in the next couple of to three weeks and I haven't gone over with them yet what would be involved the plan after that. I don't imagine it would take them more than a couple weeks after that. Um it may be less. I don't. Yeah, that's sort of my rough um

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>> to go get an overview of what invasives are out there. >> Yeah. And they got to come up with plans probably for different areas and I'm going to that that is you're going to have object yearly objectives that you'll want to try to meet or have

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goals. >> The idea this plan is fairly contained. Sorry. >> No, go ahead. Um this plan was sort of going to be a we're sort of piloting this whole thing kind of this is a a first effort um and we got a grant for

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it. Um that is also that that sort of runs this season and um and we want to have the report with a preliminary kind of at least for I said kind of outlining this year of work with an eye toward what we would expect to see out of it

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and then what we would want to do in future years and then hopefully hold a community event you know a little bit later into the summer um but before everything so we have a high >> um and then to be um I'm working on

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applying for some other grants hopefully to be able to have them come back and do kind of a more serious longer term plan of like okay this site as a whole now that we've gotten into it a little bit what does this look like and where are we going with it in a larger way. So,

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Bill, how far down the rail trail corridor were you envisioning this to go for from this pilot >> all the way to the um to the bridge to the trestle

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>> and center town >> over here? >> No, this is Harbor. What >> is this helpful? Sorry. >> Uh yeah. So, so from the church all the way down? No, from where the cover is >> before the church. >> Oh,

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>> so it's a small very that somebody worked on. >> It's a real small limited. >> Where's the church? >> Church right here. >> Right there. >> This is a field that would probably >> Oh, no. It's okay. Where where's the

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church in relationship? Um, so I don't This is the three Homestead Churches right here. >> Okay. >> And there this is the Hayfield behind Harbor Auto Body. >> Okay. >> So, >> I can share again if that might help.

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>> That'd be awesome, Frank. >> All right. One second. Let me pull that. Let me see if it'll let me. So, what you should be seeing, um, this where my cursor is right now is

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80 is the the harbor church. So, you were saying >> from there. >> Uh, nope. To the left to where the hayfield is. >> The hayfield. >> Yeah. So, you see my cursor?

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>> I do not. Unfortunately. Um I assume that there's a culvert here. >> Yeah. Right there. >> Yeah. >> Where the culver that's where it begins at the culver. >> That's the stop point. >> Yeah. Because there's invasives right all along that shoreline. Yeah. On both sides. Really?

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>> That's like when Mike and I went out and did that sidewalk. >> So from there to the east to the trest. >> From there east. So from this point Oh, nope. That's not identify. I didn't want to identify. This thing's killing me. All right. So from this back east.

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>> Uh nope. Otherwise, >> not that culvert. The culvert be um >> just to the west of the harbor church. Not Minisburg. >> No, it isn't. Min. >> Just to the west of Harbor Church. >> Yeah. So right there.

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>> Okay. >> Right in there. Yep. You got it. >> We knew you could do it, Frankie. >> So are we looking at something in this vicinity? Uh more a touch more to the west, but we won't we won't >> ending up up there somewhere.

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>> Right. Ending there. >> New church. A little down from the new church. >> Right. >> No, he was right there where he can't see us pointing at us. >> Right. But this is where end of it. Right about there. >> Keep going west with your mouse. Uh

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right right in there. Yeah. ish. From there to the east to the >> from here back to the church. >> Yeah. To actually the trestle, right? To the trestle. >> To the trestle. >> Yeah. >> From the church all the way back down,

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>> which is why it's both rail trail land. >> Yes. >> And uh th >> all the way to >> about here. So that's about that's about 1,200 ft. Not that >> we haven't been talking about that far.

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>> Well, >> and that's right about >> we keep going back and forth. >> That's where Minnie's Brook is a little further back. >> We'll call it,800 ft, but okay. Um, >> this is this right here. >> Well, that's it. >> Yes, that's right there.

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>> It's a substantial >> frontage. >> It is. And it's it is a place that is just caked in invasives. So this >> what private house between the church and the re homestead

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>> two on the on the other side of the MBTA property. >> Yeah. >> But we're not talking about doing it private. We're talking about MBTA >> which the Greenways has the rights to. >> Right. Correct. >> Historic Society. But Bill, can you

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explain the easement the the MBTA um or at least you have with them because there's a north and a south, you know, the >> So there >> the um the MBTM owns approximately 46 ft to the north and 36 ft to the south.

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>> Meaning from the center of the track to the right and left. >> Yeah, there's about >> 46 46 >> 46 and 36 >> 46 north 36 north. Now, that is not exactly true once you get >> to the Reed homestead because then it

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shrinks to 25 and I forgot the other. >> Yeah, there's a handful of them bottlenecks. >> You could just pretty much throw on here. Now, this is, you know, this is a mistake here because actually all this property and I know we've been calling

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it Bose, but it's not. >> It's not. >> MBTA owns all that property. Correct. where that arbory was >> and they make arrangements. HB makes arrangements through them. >> Yes, we've actually talked to HB. So, we got to talk to Frank about this because

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H&B has no jurisdiction over that part of property. That's all. >> It doesn't I don't get the impression that's how they feel about it. >> Well, we we've talked to the president, so I don't think they've gotten down to that lawyer that Frank's dealing with, but I'll deal with that with Frank. So,

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yeah, all this property is MBTA. It's not listed at MBJ. It's from listed Hollywood and Bose in the assessor maps >> because that's that's what threw us off. >> Yeah. And wrong in lots of places. In fact, if you

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look if you look at cross 13, it's all wrong. We had to get it all fixed. >> Yeah. >> It's just one of these things that the assessors would try to do their best at guessing who owns the property. >> Right. >> But ultimately, yes. So that this

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corridor here, the MTA and this land here is Town's Historic Society and that's why we're talking about multiple nonprofits in this project. >> Sandra, I don't want to I want to make sure you're included and I know you always say you're newer, but what your

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thoughts, questions, concerns. Um, ask >> Oh, I was just fascinated by like like all the nonprofits working together. I think that's awesome. I really do. Um, >> okay. I have to admit I'm the treasurer of both. So,

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it's not quite that surprising. >> No, no. Well, I I just find it fascinating because before I came on on board here, I I really wasn't paying attention to what was going on. So, I'm like learning something all the time about this. And I don't know. I just think it's very interesting.

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>> I don't know what to ask. I mean, I know there's a lot of invasive species and I'm glad that, you know, this one you worked on and you know I think that's I I love to I love the direction that everything's heading head heading in. >> I mean one of the reasons became about

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this piece of property is it's so public you know this is a piece of property that people care about that people have loved for generations. So I think it's going to help you know when we have these volunteer days we have both the ths volunteers and the Squanico Greenways rail trail volunteers come and

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help both of them can be involved. That's why I think another nice thing about this particular piece of property as a as a as a starting point is just a very public people will see what's going on. It's not hidden in the woods.

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>> There you go. And I think my um my biggest task with with all these projects kind of all being in the same area is making sure that I have applications into the commission correctly,

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you know. So, so >> yes, >> there's there's this invasive species work. There is work associated with 80 Main Street that I need to amend. There is work associated with 72 Main Street

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which I need to kind of permit separately. Um and then there's other >> street. >> Yeah, the South Street RDAs which are on my >> on my list for this week. >> Um

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>> Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. >> So, but yeah. So, so that that's that's more of my popsicle head headache is me making sure that I get the appropriate applications to town towns in in a way that it makes sense to all of you.

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>> Good. Something you want to add if you didn't lose it? >> Sorry. Yeah. No, I just I mean it's probably obvious, but I just wanted to be clear that we're not promising any particular results in any particular time frame, right? that we're we're engaging in the process and we'll we'll

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be enthusiastically continuing in the work. But I I don't I don't want to give the impression that, you know, we're going to any particular problem with them. And that's a we appreciate you noting that because we do have this issue of trees that were cut without

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proper permitting um that we have to navigate and um I do feel the work that you want to do here will it will help get that benefit. Um so it's a matter of coordinating it all and making sure that

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all the parties um yeah just so that we're following >> and you are very very new as far as just a startup group and doing this and you're per say f who have you gone to

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for your financing department of interior department of agriculture what particular branch are you working with for your grant funding. >> Right now we are a very small and new nonprofit. >> Yeah, I understand that.

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>> I mean, we have very little budget. I >> don't scare her, please. >> Yeah, the the grant that we received for the work this summer is from the um the wild and the national river wild wild and sea stewardship council. >> Okay. Quite familiar with them. They

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they you know they felt so okay. So I understand where the funding comes from. Very good. >> Um what what experience briefly if you could give us just what your experiences

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um in your background um >> my own experience. >> Yeah. Or you know I don't want to say degrees because you know experience is its own thing but um yeah. >> Yeah. So my college background is in ecology, biology with a focus in

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ecology. Um and I did work on sustainable forestry and different kinds of ecosystem, you know, studying different kinds of ecosystems. Um and then my graduate work was actually in um more um sort of political science and

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policy oriented and I um did work on involving involvement of diverse stakeholders in environmental decision making. That was kind of my PhD research. Um and since sort of a number of years ago, I started to learn about how indigenous peoples stewarded the

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land here and felt very strongly that this is what we need to be doing and that there need to be kind of this is how the land wants to be cared for and needs to be cared for and sort of embarked on this project of connecting I mean reading a ton of papers and articles and books and um

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talking with experts in any number of relevant fields but that's kind of my own background and then um working I as I said I'm sort of connecting with other um people with more direct expert experience in the on the ground pieces of this.

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>> Does that answer your question? >> It does. >> Okay. >> It does. Um >> you have a very impressive background. >> You know, it takes a special type of person to want to go after the invasives in a in a delicate manner, especially when such a sensitive environment.

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>> Appreciate. Um so it's um you know I think it would be I think we're moving in the right direction. I just want to yeah um you know some sort of timeline so that we can

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keep things moving and you know I know nothing as much as we try to do stuff in a meeting or two uh seems like lately we've had to had stuff continue. It's no one's fault. Um but um yeah, so Bill, do

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you think this is something we come back to next meeting, end of June, beginning of July um with a a better idea and plan and timeline? >> I I I mean I would really like if we say, you know, because you think it's

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going to be four weeks for us to get this report. It'd be nice to >> I don't know exactly. >> And I know you have I know Frank has other stuff. He can just continue it, but he's trying to say, you know, what's our rough estimate for when >> Yeah. And it >> So, you've got a septic tank issue down

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there, too, that has to get permitted. So, I'm sure Frank needs to do, >> you know, that part of the >> That's not a septic That's just the tit, not a new septic system. I just >> He's just putting in a tight tank. But

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the the invasive removal the the native plantings don't require the permitting because it's the exact activity. But yeah, the complete package. >> So what what are your thoughts, Frank? I mean, I know we have a timeline for this

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invasive plant study, but what what's your thoughts? Well, um if if I can get everything nailed down that we're doing on 72 Main Street, um I would think I'd be able to have a submission in again

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for the 24th. I just have to check and see our um timeline, the advertisement dates, ju just to make sure I can meet that. I would have to have that in I would think by again also the fifth or the eighth.

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>> Probably the fifth. You got to figure out, you know, how are we going to um write the wrong um with the tree removal um you know, and if it's invasive removal and plant native plantings and some

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trees um >> straight >> that's a tricky um >> right I would I would just throw in um if if the conversation developed such that we're talking about putting in a bunch

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of trees. I would welcome the opportunity to weigh in a little bit on what sorts of >> We would encourage that and that's I think what we're all hoping for. >> I would ask for that help as well. Um >> I know Frank has been trying to get some help and he's having a tough time having anyone return his phone calls

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>> unfortunately. Yeah. So um >> as to what type of trees we want to replant. >> Yeah. cuz if she's going to be this >> so other commissions have um provided contact NASA I think if we got in touch with her they may be able to give us a

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little insight you know what I mean like the space force or something we've been playing games about some trees that got cut down there for how long >> we've got the lawyers involved we've got engineers for the trees I think we should definitely call the space agency

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they may be able to take an aerial view you would give present with this. >> Um, Colby have um is does do you have a list of kind of preferred species that you like to see?

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>> See, I knew I was on >> looked at what the state suggests. Um, what they um have for native plantings, but >> all right, I I'll um you know what? I I will pull a list that I've used in in surrounding towns.

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>> And >> Frank, what was what was the question you had asked cuz I missed it. >> I'm sorry. >> Sorry. My So my my question to Cole Colby had been if um Towns in Conservation has a preferred planting list of of what they what you like to

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see. >> It would probably copy and paste from another >> but I I would think it would be pretty similar to to Groten. Um, >> yes. >> Yeah. So, I'm I'm going to start with a list that I've gotten from Charlotte at

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Grten Conservation, their agent, and I'll um I've got one from Shirley also. So, I'll I'll run with those. I'll run that by um

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>> uh the people helping us for for the invasives and we'll we'll have a I'll have a a more comp comprehensive planting plan. >> Did you have something? >> I'm just trying to jump in on the permit for a minute. Um yeah, you got to decide

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which permit you going to use. I know you mentioned abbreviated. >> It wouldn't be abbreviated because of the footprint, >> right? It's more It would probably more than 30,000 ft area. So, >> but I think NI would be

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>> I guess >> Yeah, because it would be an NOI because of the the site tank and any other improvements. >> I think Yeah, I think 72 main would be an NOI. >> Yeah. Yeah. think of each item that you

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wanted doing uh to perform and have all of those activities on this. >> Agreed. Yes. >> Thank you, Colobe. >> Thank you for reiterating it. >> Um yeah, because we want to try to do this.

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Yeah. Um, but I think having influ or input for plantings, um, is something that will do well. And >> once we figure out what we're going to plant, we should shoot a text over to

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the Pope so we can get the blessing, maybe some holy water so we guarantee the growth. >> It wouldn't hurt. >> It's it's a plus. Thank you. Well, no. The point is the very first iteration of the planting scheme

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just didn't look very good to us. And we know >> you couldn't even see any of this personally, Frank. >> No, no, no. I I've I've I've long since um >> uh stopped taking plan criticism personally. If I if I did, I wouldn't

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still be doing this. >> Sorry. >> I hope you didn't think you got any criticism from me, Frank. I was all Um, >> no, no, Jim. I I know exactly what I get from you. >> Um, >> and I appreciate it.

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>> True. >> So, we're what's comfortable. >> So, I mean, let's let's go from the 24th and what we have, you know, what we've learned here. >> Yeah. I don't guarantee we will have had this

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but we have >> and I think the invasives we can can be ongoing because I don't you're not going in there with equipment. It's a work party with people that going to be very minimal footprints and you know

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not worry about that part and I think we can navigate that >> right. Um if you need the historic society to make some sort of you know commitment that we will support the project financially to some degree that >> we can discuss that as our next meeting

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>> or at the >> I think that can be discussed as part of the filing. Yes. >> So so that you officially have something before you to actually discuss because we we've spent a lot of time on

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>> Yes. a discussion discussion of a non-permanent item so far. So, and I I do appreciate that that time. >> Um, Mike, Sandra, >> only that I'd love to be part of the

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work party when you finally get one organized. >> Trust me, we're reaching out to volunteers. >> Yeah, I know that sounds >> careful what you wish for. I've already graduated. >> This is work, but it's fun because you

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know the the end product is going to be worthwhile. >> Sandra thoughts. >> I guess I already gave them I >> I know I just circling back. It's a lot, but I know there's been an ongoing

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um thing down here where >> I know I he always defer back to your new status, but I feel that it's slow, but there's progress being made. I don't know what the other commissioners feel. >> No, I can I can I can see progress

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definitely. >> Yeah, I'm just curious where where I mean Huh. >> Okay. No ask. >> Well, no. So, the mitigation for the the trees, this could be part of it, but where do we stand with the trees?

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>> So, Frank's going to come up with a list to come back with us, okay, >> back to us with, >> but any sort of penalty for the way it went about? >> We haven't gotten there yet. >> Okay, that's that'll have to be discussed under the filing.

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>> Okay. Yeah. I just wondering where we stood that in that respect. >> Oh, it it's it's it's not off the table. Yeah. So, it's we're well aware of that. >> Yeah. >> Easy. >> We need that. But yeah, but we need to some of those stumps need to be measured

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from delineated wetlands so we have that actual footage. >> Mhm. >> Because if it's outside, we're not going to penalize them for that. Um, >> is this in regards to how we're going to go to a number?

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>> It should be >> okay. You know, >> I understand for you know I do >> within the >> Yeah. >> Um, the resource area and the resource

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area has distances. Okay, let's let's >> but in the big picture, it looks like it's going to be a fall planting. >> Yes, that would be the best thing. >> Frank, do you have do you have plans on when you think you'll be out there doing

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a wetland delineation? I have seen some blue flagging. I didn't know if that's recent or so. >> We have we have an older delineation. I I need to check the date on that and see if we feel it needs to be refreshed.

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Um because it would be great to see some fresh flags out there so we can go out there and measure um from the flags to the stumps to see what >> Yep. >> That's right. >> I I How many times did I go crawling down into

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>> Yeah. >> the trink to get measurements? >> Get measurements. >> Because 35 and 36 feet make a difference. 101 and >> 99 make literally make a difference. >> Yeah.

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>> So you just take a tape measure and do the diameter of the >> No no no we go we go from where it's flagged for the wetland delineation typically blue flags someone stands there and someone walks with a long tape >> yeah with to the blue flag >> tree or to where the work was done.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. But as far as like the for the actual size of the tree stump that you actually do the diameter of the actual stump's already done that um in that >> I like to do more accurately. So

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>> measuring them accurately making sure accurate accurate on the stump count. That's one thing I'm more concerned about. >> That that's >> that's something I need to coordinate with with Co with Colby. >> Got you Frank. So,

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>> so could you repeat it again? You take someone holds the >> someone holds the dumb end. >> Okay. >> The other person pulls the tape and you >> keep going. >> Measure it. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Um >> that's why >> tried and true. I'll do it on my phone.

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Um using GPS to get an idea, but it's not in that, you know, that you have to have a hard number. >> Yeah, you actually have to do it physically. Okay. >> Right. You've done it. Yep.

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So on which one did you do? Which one was that? >> Um, so we've all done it. I know. >> All right. So I'll make I'll make a motion to continue this to June 24th. >> Well, I don't know that there's anything

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to continue, Jim, because this was just a discussion. >> You're right. You're 100% right, Frank. >> Sorry. Couple questions. >> Yes. Um, first, so I'd like to let you know when we're going out with you. We

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have to do the site visit or not at this time. >> Or you could just let me know. >> Let Bill know. And Bill is Bill is the property rep. >> Okay. >> And I'll I'll send >> Colby and include me to my town one.

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>> Yep. Got Um okay. >> And um another question was if you want for the um the people we're bringing in I mean I have some ideas as to which species of trees might be great but they

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will probably have better ideas. Um and it will probably make a big difference like where not just the general location but like where exactly we're talking about. Um, should somebody show me um either on a map or you know out there

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where the stump like you're going to want that information from them? >> That I will coordinate with you directly uh with with you and Bill. >> That's you guys can do it. Um Kobe might be involved. >> Sure.

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>> Um >> yeah, you can send me the map. He's got >> Okay. and yeah. Um but also on going to the site and making sure um again I want to note and

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um you can provide provide the pictures for the next meeting. Um but the there was a a handful over half the stumps were sick or roting and were dead or bark falling

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off already big chunks. So um but also getting anacurate distance is going to be you know that's collecting the facts. >> So have different getated. So, we'll talk about this again uh June

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24th. >> Yes. >> Thank you. And um I will if if that slips I will let you know earlier, but I'm I'm not planning on that. So, >> so Frank, if if the you can't submit it

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in time, I think we can still come back and talk about plant choices and um remediation um you know, so that we might have some input >> a discussion as a as a discussion item, I think. Yeah.

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>> And if Yeah. And if you want to put on to the um agenda for June 6th to discuss any of that sort of stuff, just reach out to us, you know. you know, no later than the Wednesday before. >> Yep. >> Concerns, comments.

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>> Sounds great. Exciting. >> Sounds like we're moving right along. >> I don't know about right along. >> Well, we're further ahead than we were before. >> I appreciate the optimism. >> I like to try and be optimistic. Um, thank you everyone for joining us

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and I know it's tough talking on, you know, in the public setting and >> sorry I couldn't be there. >> Hey Frank, we appreciate every, you know, anytime you join us. >> All right. Um, if there's nothing else, I'm going to sign off then.

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>> Which gym are you referring to? >> Both of you. >> Thank you, Frank. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Um, thank you. I'm going to go over. >> Thanks, Bill. >> And I'm sorry, what is your name again?

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>> My name is Shalomia. >> I'm sorry, I'm going to butcher that. Shalomia. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for joining us. Um, all right. Moving on. Uh, 3.2 standard operating procedure development for

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trail creation and maintenance on Hong Kong property. Do you have any chance to work on that? >> No. >> I don't mind. >> Good. Moving on. >> You didn't do anything on it.

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>> I wonder. No, I wonder. I I think we should I There's got to There's a template out there. There's got to be a town like Bron has a trails uh commission I believe or something

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and I bet you they have a document. >> So move it to the next meeting >> 24th >> or the 11th. All right.

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>> Uh no uh 610. >> Okay. Remember the day that uh I'll pass the 77 and I'll be 78 and >> we already have that written down. >> We already scheduled in the balloons and

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the flowers and everything. Clown clown got cancelled though. We're sorry. >> 3.3 uh natural river wild and scenic steward stewardship council land grant. Um we had picked three properties last meeting. Um, were you able to get any

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sort of pricing? I actually emailed you last week about it. >> Yeah. No, that's really hard to get anything back from them. But, uh, >> well, we talked about it at the last meeting. No. >> Yeah. But in order to get estimates

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back, >> um who have you reached out to be the um same people that we reached out to last time um Ross I approached last time as well as

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Fieldstone. Fieldstone. >> Okay. So, you haven't reached out to any of any of them yet? >> Not as of yet. >> Okay. So, how are we apply for this? When is this grant? >> Uh the beginning next week, beginning of June.

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>> So, that went down. >> So, how do we >> We did this last year as well. >> I know. It's the submission of the >> right >> application >> timelines deadlines

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>> um uh the way we did last year was we estimated how much money it would be to survey the properties that we want to survey and submit the application.

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Um and because the those um they took a couple months to get in the property numbers in there. >> Yeah.

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I have here parcel IDs. >> Okay. I just Yeah. Um, what do I like? >> 33 36 0 >> 33 >> And these are

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>> Yeah. What's the next one? >> Uh, 182 >> 182 >> 53 53D. >> Yep. >> Then dog. >> Yep. 990

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>> three nines and a zero >> 53b 999-0 you're going to look that one >> I don't need to look them up >> um all right so how how do we determine a

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how do we determine a the estimated cost Yeah. What I did last year was I looked at old estimates. >> Okay. >> From those and I sized up the properties to have

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where the complexity sides. >> Okay. Um, what were the addresses on those parcels? So I knew he lost it already. I'm sorry.

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>> 33 36 off some other road. >> Zero off. Isn't that the one with that little sliver of an entry that opens into that? >> What? >> What?

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>> So, okay. >> Yes, it's that. >> Yeah. >> Uh, let me go to the next one. >> Okay. >> Zero on. >> That was another one that was fairly substantial.

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>> Mhm. Okay. >> Could you refresh refresh our memory? Um, so were those properties to the town? >> They are conservation commission control properties. >> Already Okay.

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>> Yep. in the um if you remember in the the past two years we've deeded or no sorry we've surveyed and um had plans of land drawn up and submitted to um the registry of deeds or quarter

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registry of deeds um he's leaving thank you to >> is that is Is that your code? Um, Brian, or is that >> Bill? Right. Okay.

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>> Um, >> thanks, Brian. >> 353. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Wow. Um, so we've surveyed, done a plan of land, uh, and then had that reported

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registry of deeds and it just it neatens and tightens up our um, >> stewardship or something. >> Yeah. Um, >> stewardship. >> Ownership. Ownership properties

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conservation properties owned in registered in perspective. Well, doesn't it kind of eliminate ambiguity is property lines? >> Okay. >> It defines what is like official. Now it's >> right >> might have been vague before. Now it's

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official. So now we can Sorry. And and they mark the bounds and >> Yep. Yep. Blaze them and it goes and registers and booster and all that good stuff. Are we close to that word?

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>> What word? I'm just I'm kind of confused. Someone that wanted to volunteer left. Let me ask >> what? Go ahead. >> All right. So, those are three parcels.

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Kob's going to take a a stab at it. Um I don't want to I really don't like doing it like that. I I like to have an idea of the exact cost and I >> So you you mean you're kind of shooting at the dock, >> right? I mean, basically. >> Yeah. No, we are.

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>> Okay. >> Um >> defined. >> So, first week of June, it's due and we're we're going to be able to meet that deadline. Yeah, the writing of the GR is not overly difficult. It's one of the easier ones and I've already done it so I have

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a form for it. All right. So, can we get an update from Benton Palm? Is there anything going on Bon Pal? Okay. That's where the geese flow. >> Man, that's a touchy subject right now.

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>> But can you be updated on births and grandchildren and all that stuff? >> Um 3.4 mass ready act. Was there anything in here for us to go over? >> Oh, I can

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I not? I can do that. right now for a few seconds. It's just the email flyer. >> There's no deadline given because I looked for that and I actually had

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called MACC about that if they had heard anything. They didn't know any more information because I was wondering when you have to act by like when >> Right. And I the letter Yeah. They gave you a template to send to your represent state rep and

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>> right >> so if that's the case at our next meeting we someone should print it out and um I know you're the one that brought it to us and if you print it out and or email it to Kobe you know the week before our

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meeting so it can get uploaded into the um >> oh the actual template. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And then if we then we can go over it and if we feel that we want to voice our >> as a board as a commission.

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>> Okay, >> I'm good. Kobe, are you good with that? >> Yes. >> Unless if you have it up now, but I feel like we don't have any information to go by and it's quart after.

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>> Is it that late? I didn't notice that. Ryan pumpkin. I guess he was starting to get a little sleepy. All right. Um that the course we want to take the next meeting.

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>> Yes. >> Okay. And we just keep piling it on to June 10th. That's okay. June 10th. June 10th. >> What?

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>> 3.5. Um Brian Bingerton's um volunteer response. So we need to make a decision on um recommending appointment which can be done at the next select board meeting

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which I think is Monday coming Tuesday. >> Are we moving on one two just one? Well, Abigail, we've already recommended, but it didn't get >> it didn't >> it didn't get put on the last select board meeting. Kobe did it in time, but

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it didn't. So, the next select board meeting you should be appointed and then get >> and you did what? Two month it was a >> literally two meetings. >> Two meeting and that was finishing paths. >> Nope. Uh >> Kevin, was it Kevin?

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>> Wasn't Kevin. Uh yeah, >> I thought it was um >> the term expires June 30th 26. >> Mhm. >> And at our June 24th meeting, we can recommend for reappoint. >> Correct. That's just we had to use up

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that spot, right? Either would have gone to Abigail or Brian. So it doesn't matter. Okay. >> And we've already made the recommendation for her. So we um do we want to make a recommendation for Um Brian with the term ending Kobe.

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Brian picture. >> What? >> Oh, right here. Uh 28. >> Hey Kobe, question. >> So the vacancy would be 28. >> Hold on. Um you have a vacant two, >> right? >> And then a vacant 2028.

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What's the two? >> Be Abigail right now. >> Right. But >> supposed to be a one and two. What is it? uh is a year in there. >> So the uh the vacant after Sandra Lord is just um

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>> number two. So when is that and you're supposed to and Mike is um for re appointment for reappoint >> for for next meeting you mean? Uh, well,

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we could do it at the next meeting or we could do it at the second meeting in June. >> Oh, matter. >> Oh, so his term is up the 26th. >> Mhm. >> Oh, what are we going to do? >> I don't know. I could say goodbye.

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>> And I didn't know. >> Um, >> yeah. >> Is 28 in the correct number for >> you? I have on the vacancy. I voted in that with the clerk which is accurate.

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So let me bring that up. >> The clerk >> actually if it could be the the 10th I would prefer that >> to reante for the the 10th. >> Well that means that I made it to 78

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with that. >> I knew you were s I could see we can but skip the balloons. Yeah, but I told you we couldn't get the clown nailed down. He just wouldn't do it for them though. >> Clowns are expensive.

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>> If we all were party, >> um >> I'll try and remember to bring it. >> Be careful with those promises. >> I said I'll try. I said I'll try. Unfortunately, I can't be as diligent as

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what Pat was, though. >> I'm waiting for your confirmation. >> Yeah, it's 2026 and 2028. >> Okay. >> So, do we he left this pumpkin? Um, we want to

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recommend to appoint Brian Pinkerton to the term ending 2028. I'll I'll motion that we um bring um Brian Pinkington into a till 2028. >> Yes. >> Did you want a date on that? June was

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there or just >> June 30th, 2028. >> June 30th. >> The term ending >> with the term ending. >> Okay. Is that good enough? >> No. Restate, please. From the beginning. >> All right. I'll um I motion to bring

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Brian Pinkerton in for um >> motion to I mean motion to recommend appointment. >> Okay. Well, so move. You just stated it. So just move forward that way >> with the term ending June 30th, 2020. >> 2028. >> So move.

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>> So move. >> Second. Mike P. Second. >> Roll call vote starting with Mike. >> Mike P said yes. James Gates. Yes. >> James. Yes. >> Sandra Lloyd. Yes. >> Okay. >> So, so we appointment for you in June.

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June 10. >> Is that what we're saying? >> That's what he wants to do. I'll add that to my um >> if I make items. Stop. >> I'm putting cupcakes and big full big cups here. >> Well,

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my parents were born a year apart. They died a year apart. >> Oh my. >> They both died when they were 77. So for years I sort of had this thing on my what do you call it on your back or something? I don't know what the term is. >> So you got

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>> um before the next meeting you need to turn in the volunteer response oh >> okay >> then get a checkup with your doctor pretty quick too. >> Oh boy. >> Just a note just in case.

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>> Yeah. Doctor's appointment. >> All right. Um 4.1 DP trail conditions. Is that in here, Colobe? >> It's dry out. >> Yeah. >> What's the shortfall?

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>> How bad is it? Is it like >> It's bad. >> We're going to look at the drug conditions right now. Yeah, because we get no notification about >> Yeah, we were at moderate.

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>> What does the orange stand? >> In the northeast region. >> Are we are we on the >> We're right in the middle of the two colors, right? >> No, we're in the critical. We're in critical. >> Yes. So that not the way the the shape

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is. That's actually in the top left. >> Yeah. Right here. Just at the end of the >> right right to the very tippy. >> Okay. Right. >> For some reason I thought we kind of like smack in the middle but I'm saying >> it's not good to be in a critical end.

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>> No no no >> not not Yeah. >> Um thank you Kobe for sharing that. So, what does that mean as like a shortfall of inches or whatever? How like >> the deficit? >> I don't I don't know.

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>> I was curious. >> That's a great question. Um I don't know. >> Kobe, any any ideas about the shortfall in inches the deficit? >> Yeah, I do. >> Oh my gosh. Well, since we've had a lot

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of discussion about, you know, other indigenous people, maybe we could send maybe you want to go on for rain dance class or something. I see if we can get you some ceremonial feathers and some garment. >> You sound like a skeptic, but

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>> yeah, maybe not. >> Maybe not. >> I have it. I do have it. I grab it. Um, >> you know what we say. When you pray for the rain, you got to deal with the mud. 4.2 towns 88. >> That's my favorite ones. One of my more

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favorite. >> Yeah, that's a good one. >> Non-discrimination. Uh public notice. Uh the town of Talin does not discriminate based on disability program applicants, participants, members of the public, employees, job applicants, and others

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are entitled access to all programs, activities, and services without regard to disability. Copies of this notice are available upon request in accessible formats. large print, audio, braille, online, etc. Our grievance procedure, self evaluation as well as ADA policies,

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practices and procedures are really are readily available upon request if assistance is needed. Uh the ADA coordinator is well will provide it upon request. This notice is posted promptly at all our sites. The town of Townsen

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has designated the following person um to coordinate its efforts to comply uh with the ADA inquiries request and complaints should be directed to James Dorian. >> Robert Garside 272 Main Street

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in Mass 01469. >> Yes. >> Really? That's >> 97859700 extension 1726 emails are starside.gov um education and conferences. Um, I am going to

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schedule something with D um for the circuit writer to come out and give us a basic with Sandra Vanu and Abigail and Brian. Um, the circuit writer to come in and give a basic just

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um discuss not discussion but presentation >> like education. Yes, >> education basically. Is that going to be Kim? >> No, >> I don't know who it will be, but I was told to talk to the circuit writer.

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>> So, we get a new one. >> Basic notes, Emily. >> I think this person you refer to as the circuit rider. >> Yes. >> They're the ones that sits next to the dude on the stage coach that holds the gun.

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>> Right. Don't stare wrong. Telling the truth. Well, that's the image. You kind of get an image like that. The circuit writer. It's like >> I know he's in charge of the security >> capturing all this for our meeting minutes. >> Um

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>> I >> So I Yeah. What? >> I'll leave that alone. That's good. >> Going to have it and I'll put it back in the box. Um >> I'm just going to grab a copy though. You can post it. >> Uh there's a method behind this.

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So items for discussion at the next meeting. um shorten the meetings. >> Standard operating procedure, trail creation and maintenance. Um and then um

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reappoint uh of Mike Plat and then um yeah. Does anyone else have any? >> No. Oh, and then the Mass Ready Act as well. >> The Mass Ready Act. >> Yes. The thing that 3.4

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>> 3.4. Yeah. >> So, you want me to have the template printed out? Was Kobe going to do it? >> So, one more time. >> Well, we're not going. Yeah, we're moving on for tonight. Um, next meeting

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is June 10th. uh 2026 and June 24, 2026 at 700 p.m. Um I have a motion to adjourn at 9:25. >> Real quick, so we got a >> Yes. Thousand Historical Society also next. Oh, did we say the 10th? The 24th

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for them? >> 24. >> Okay. >> As you couldn't get that all together by the >> Okay, that's what I thought. >> But if they wanted to come back to discuss plans to let Hy know the week prior. >> Oh, okay. I just want to be make sure I was on the

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same page. >> That'll give him a chance to reach out to NASA, give a little following up on some intel. >> I'll make a motion to adjourn at 9:30 >> 9:25. >> I just feel like next meeting is going to be like a three-hour.

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It >> was almost tonight. >> I know. I know that. >> Is there a second? >> Second. Oh, I'm sorry. >> Sandra, no. You You did it. Sandra seconded. Um, roll call vote starting with Mike. Mike Faret, yes. >> James, yes. >> James B, yes.