All right, let's see if we get a result. I'm going to go ahead and um call the meeting to order. Uh so um could I have a roll call vote, please? And we'll start with those
that are remote. Emily Fine, >> Mike Pad, >> Selena Thomas present, and Veronica Keel present. Uh, Anna is trying to sign in, so Anna
is going to um just All right. So, um, Anna Wilkins is going to be able to join us. She's trying to sign into the Zoom. So, as soon as she's in the Zoom, we'll we'll have her with us as well. Um, did I say Veronica Cal
present? >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. And Emily Fine is remote. All right. Um, the meeting is being recorded by TCAN and it'll be uploaded to the YouTube channel after the fact. Uh, is anybody
else recording? Doesn't seem that. All right. Um, I have no topics unanticipated 48 hours in advance. Does anyone else Sorry, >> I just want to double check the agenda
real quick. >> Okay. It's pretty brief. Um, while uh Selena's looking at the agenda, Tam, this is for you. Um, I have another message from Anna. Uh,
uh, if you could allow Selena to screen share, that would be great. She's our screen share person. So, I don't know what we're going to be screen sharing, but probably the CR, but just so that she's able to do that.
>> So, um, for the agenda, >> that face salter is Anna. I believe last meeting we postponed talking about the um the conservation restriction plan from
Dillisen Roy the map. >> Oh I I assumed we were going to look at that under review of CR next steps. >> That was my only >> because it's an appendix correct. >> Okay. So >> yeah. Sorry, I'm not going to add that.
That we'll just roll that in as part of the CR because it is part of the CR. >> So, okay. What's the do? >> That's the one that legal data select board. Correct. That one or is there
>> um I think this one came in a No, you're right. We did look at the select board meeting. Yes, >> it's that same one. Okay. Um, hi Anna. We're happy to have you here. So, Anna Wilkins from North County Land Trust has
joined us. And um, Selena had asked whether we were going to look at the um, map for Dillis and Roy. And in my mind, we were doing that under 2.1 re view review of the CR and next steps because it is an appendix
um for the CR and we're going to be looking at all of those. Okay. So um all right and uh I'm moving on to 1.4 the review and approve the meeting
minutes for 35 2026. Um, is there a motion? >> Um, Selena Thomas, I have a motion to uh approve the meeting minutes for March 5th.
>> Second. >> All right. Mike Plaid has seconded. Is there any um comment on the minute? >> I had one comment. >> Um, actually, I should pull them up, shouldn't I? Um, so my comment was in the section
2.2. I believe there is a typo. Um, I believe it says BMP instead of BDR.
Of course, I don't have those saved anywhere. I have it with me. Uh, this is the CR committee. Um, there >> what's what section is it?
>> Uh, 2.2 to >> baseline document. >> Um the baseline document report will need to include one, two, three, >> the >> as an appendix to the BMP. >> That would be the BDR.
>> Oh, >> okay. >> That's what I remember. >> That's what I thought, too. >> Yeah. All right. Okay. Um, any other edits? So, are we good
with that edit? I am. >> So, so what do you should I do something with the minutes then? Should I Should I fix the typo and send them to Sabrina? Is that what I should do?
>> Uh, no. You should let me edit it. And okay, >> and if this is are there any and then I will submit to I send them to the town clerk to be stamped in and then he puts them up online for us.
>> So um uh so I'll I'll change BMP to BDR. Is there anything else at all? >> Nope. Um all right in that case uh is there uh we need to vote to accept the minutes. So
um let's start remotely with um Emily. >> Should we say to accept the minutes with the typo corrected? >> Uh yes. So maybe we need a motion to >> Emily. Emily fine. Yes.
>> Okay. Mike Pot said. Yes. >> Okay. Selena Thomas. Yes. And Veronica Kelly. All right. I will make that change and submit it to the town clerk. All right. Uh our next thing is the
review of the CR and next steps. So what I uh so and that's this is looking at the appendices making sure we have what we need. Selena had sent uh when she sent the CR update from the last
meeting, she sent three things that we needed to look at. So, do you want to um do we want to start with this? >> Yeah. At the top. Yeah.
Or do we want to start with the map from Dillis and Roy? What do you think? >> What would you guys like to start with? The map from Dillis and Roy or the CR? Any strong opinions on that? >> No strong opinions, but I think the the
map might be pretty easy. Might >> Yeah, let's do that so that we actually get to it this week. Yeah. So we'll stop with start with the math. So >> okay and actually um is is it possible
for me to share my screen because I I edited the PDF with comments. Um which might be easier to talk through >> the PDF of the >> the map. >> The map. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What do you think, Selena?
>> Yeah, I think that would be good. Okay. All right. Can you see this? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, the um the original lines are the red ones. Um I think you know unless
it's needed. So the thing that strikes me is that with it as it is, the these kind of fingers are on their own or or aren't necessarily contiguous with the rest of the conserved area.
This shape here, this narrow strip is um unless it's really necessary to be within the CR, it would be more of a a liability or
a headache for con for for monitoring and enforcement to have a strip that is between two unless you were fencing off both sides like running a fence on either side of that.
um it's just going to be um or somehow delineating that very clearly on the ground. Um, if there if there's not a lot of value, it's probably
not the the you ba basically you're you're just inviting violations or enforcement issues or things that have to get addressed over time. I totally agree with you and also
those other right ofways between the houses those don't belong in the CR either. Yeah. So that's another are they so basically the question are these spindles necessary in this if they are necessary
then um by all means we should keep them like this one obviously has the roadway again it doesn't need to be like this portion of it doesn't necessarily need to be in
the CR um it's just a roadway way. Right. Right. >> So, so those are like that's just a question for you all to to I'd love to,
you know, >> I I think this is something that I would run by town council. Um I I would just say we leave those out that they're not necessar. So, there would be two exclusions from the CR. One would be all
the um extensions and I'd have to figure out how we define those. >> Yeah. >> All of the extensions out to Horseshoe Drive. >> Well, I think just by not including them as red hash on the map of what is the CR
that defines it. So, we don't have to except that it's part of what's um maybe you know better than me, Anna. Uh I it's part of the property, you know, of the plot plan kind of. Um
>> yeah, but at the same time, you're not including this part of the plot plan, >> right? >> And we define that. So we could just define the fingers from Horseshoe Drive, however the right way,
>> right? That is >> Yeah. the same as as this area. So, you know, it's still owned by the town. If somebody decides to put their shed on it, it's still a trespass onto town land, but it's not a conservation
restriction violation, >> right? >> So, that's the and and you know, I I think that the land trust would prefer not to um
to to have that be within a an annual monitoring report, we may end up having, you know, open violations because somebody's, you know, leaf pile is on
the CR and it just drags on and on and on because um you know it's not a major issue that people are going to deal with, but then over time it just gets eroded and you know anyway. Anyway,
>> I think >> yeah, I think we call those rights of way, right? Because >> those are just um those are so that the town can go from Horseshoe Drive onto the
that property. But one place also that I know that there's a violation already is on that far one, the one furthest that we can't see it. You need to scroll. Yeah, that
one. Um, there's like patio furniture and all sorts of things in there. >> So, yeah. So, that would have to get resolved before the CR was recorded, but when we did the baseline documentation report, they're going to pick up
anything else that's outline outlined. >> Yeah, we did have one encroachment that the town did handle. It was a shed that that uh um a butter had on the town property and they were very
accommodating and willing to take care of that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Typically typically these things aren't a a big deal. Um but over time it it can um you know it's better to have the conservation area be fairly
obvious. >> Okay. So, >> and have it be this little little strip and then you're sending a volunteer out there or you're sending a a an intern or a summer person to go monitor and they they they're not sure, you know, exactly
where the line is and etc. So, >> so are you also recommending to remove the last one to the north there? No, I would keep this one in that is broad enough and contains um part of that um
>> the the slope there and I think that's valuable. It also gives um frontage for you know um access to monitor potentially if but that I mean that's that's not really an
issue but you know if if the town is yeah I don't know that's that's a wide enough swath that I think it's valuable >> and it's also kind of an Emily I I think that's part of the active area. Is that not right?
>> Yes. >> Yeah. So, I think that's valuable. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, that's the spindles question. >> The other question is the shape um around the far far field uh soccer
fields field two. Um just wondering why it came to a point there. Um, and so this golden or orange area and the blue area are my suggestions of actually including those areas in the CR. Um,
unless there's a reason for not having them. Um >> where is the um the uh
area for lightning strikes and also the >> So that is down in the um down near the main driveway road >> right in here. Those boxes >> the box to the right is the lightning structure. to the left is a potential
playground area someday in the future but not currently being planned to be built. >> Well, if part of the reason for extending the uh the range of the CR is to include to include the spindle or the
rightways. If you eliminate the rightways, is it necessary to expand it? And so the question is how often is there nesting in that area there >> in the yellow triangle >> or the yellow triangle or or that bluish
triangle >> there is nesting there. >> Okay. >> So then it does make sense to do the yellow triangle and the blue triangle within the CR.
>> Yes. And what effect does that have on the soccer? >> Yeah. And is that enough room on the backside for people to watch the game, etc. Or I mean, not not that they couldn't watch the game from the CR, but >> um >> Yeah. So, I think that's the only thing
is um people do sit on the side of the yellow triangle because that field sometimes is one longer field instead of two small ones. >> So, people do sit over there. Mhm. >> But
the only thing I would suggest is maybe change that yellow triangle slightly so that the bottom right corner of it meets up with the fence line for
not the other corner. Take it up the >> Oh, this one like Oh, sorry. So, get rid of this. Hello. Oops. Hang on. Oh, there we go. Just didn't want to
like that. Then maybe bring it out to square it off like that. >> Yes, something like that. >> Yeah. And it's mostly like the contour of the land there. The people the
>> the actual space. Um it's flat and then it drops off into >> So just the >> be like following this contour. >> Yeah. >> Kind of there. Is that right?
>> Yeah. Somewhere right in that general. I don't think it's even that big. I think it's a little closer to the field than that. >> Okay. But yeah, um I would just say keeping the the >> right
>> lining with the blue so it's in line with that fence >> would make it easier for people to be able to know exactly where it is. >> Right. Maybe we can put a couple of boulders or something here just dotted along.
>> Yeah. Um, so does this need to go back to Dillis and Roy then for redraw? It will. >> Um, okay. So, so >> the and and are you I mean I'm assuming that beyond this fence in the naturalized area,
this slope is not an area where people are going a lot. Is that true? >> That's not um the only reason the fence is where it is is because we didn't want to build the fence on the hill. >> On on the hill, right? Yeah. So, >> so it makes sense to And then I'm
assuming that this is going to be sort of a retaining wall or very ste like is this a embankment? Is that what this is? >> There's a little bank there and um it's not going to be a retaining wall. It's just we're going to have the fields go back to the point where the hill starts
there. >> Starts. Yeah. >> Yeah. And then and this is not h this doesn't have anything to do with the CR but what's the storm water plan for over here. Is there a storm water plan yet? >> Um they've been working on it. So there
is an idea for it. >> Yeah. >> Um mostly because the drainage here is so good. um putting in a gravel area next to like kind of surrounding will be
enough that the water will drain but um >> yeah got it all right very good so um that's great okay so remove the spindles and kind of expand it basic and I can Selena I can um now that we've discussed
this in the committee I can send this as a sketch plan the only other uh yeah and and I guess I would just suggest that um during the construction
or during you know when you're putting in the fence or something if they could put a um a few you know maybe a boulder every 50 feet or something just to kind of
along that line >> to help just like draw the >> It is. Yeah. >> To marade the line. >> We've got lots of boulders that we're going to be moving. So, I don't think that would be >> Yeah. Every 25, 50 feet, something like
that. Some It doesn't need to be like a a a wall or anything. It's just like, you know, to >> mark it. I don't know if you remember from when we were there doing the walk, but along the parking right now there's
boulders to keep people on the road. So, >> perfect. >> We're not going to need them when we put in the fence. We can move some of them over there. >> They could all go there. >> That's perfect. That would be great. Okay. All right. So, I will save this
and send that over to you, Selena and um Ronnie. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, and I will stop sharing. Not that I don't like to share, but yes. Yes, I stop sharing.
>> Anything else on the map, Selena, that you wanted to point out? >> Um, I don't think so. Um, >> oh, can I just say one other thing is that we'll need um it is helpful. So I don't
once the shape of the CR is finalized within the CR they're um the legal description is going to need to be written out or on the survey plan they're going to have to do meets and bounds of the the boundary. Um, so that is something that um we'll
need to get from Dillis and Roy is a legal description basically of the CR. >> And is that that first paragraph? No, it's it's like 25 feet go from the
pin in the stone wall go 25 ft north northeast 72 degrees, you know, or whatever >> is that located then as part of the appendices. Yeah, it's appendix A and then the reduced survey is appendix B
and um but they um if you you are going to need the call the the call sheet basically the meets and bounds. >> Okay, >> which which they call it a legal description. I I as far as
as far as my experience goes. Okay. >> Survey. >> All right. And um Selena, if if we it it um if it's easier.
Oh, well, never mind. I'm gonna I'm not gonna suggest that. So I have seen ti time times where um they have used elevations as the boundary. So you could say you
know say that um the bank of the you know the back bank it's like you know you know 600 feet in elevation. So you would say, you know, the boundary is six the 600
foot elevation line, you know, but I've seen that more in riparian areas along banks of rivers than um in this area. So that's I'm saying like scratch that, forget I said it, but that's what I was
thinking. >> Okay. Um, so the only other thing I wanted to make sure that the CR going all the way out to the road um to Mason Road, which is on the right side of the map, um,
along the driveway is what you were expecting cuz I know we talked about doing it and not doing it and I couldn't remember where we left off. I thought we left off with it's part of the CR. So that's what I thought too.
But but Anna, >> I think it's I think it's fine. Um, honestly, um, I recall that we left we left it at
we'll leave it in, but now I can't recall why. Emily, do you remember? Um I know that there was a there was discussion of um all the trees that have grown there
and we probably don't want to cut those because we don't want to encourage nesting there. However, there is nesting there. Um, not I don't know that we have found
any listed species there, but definitely painted turtles and snappers nest all along there. >> Yeah. So, so yeah, and I think Emily, you were the one that was kind of saying, well,
we, you know, it's really not um the best area um for them uh from a human interaction standpoint. Is that is that right? >> True. We really we don't really want to
encourage them to go there. The thing is they do go there. The only reason we have very few nest protectors there is because um there's so much territory that we need to cover during nesting season to
find especially um wood turtle and and blanding turtles that are nesting that we just don't have enough manpower or woman power to um check those that area
as often. >> That's all. But if if we had enough people, we could have people going back and forth along there. So, I guess from my point of view in terms
of enforcement, it's not um you know, I'm not too worried about it. Um, >> yeah. I don't think it's a problem area at all. Like, I don't think we're going to have to worry about issues with
>> people messing around in there. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and and from the abuing properties on the other side of the line, what are the uses? Is it residential?
>> There's a house and then there's the river, >> right? So, I, you know, I'm not super worried about the backline. Um, but I think that would, you know, you just basically walk down the driveway or
drive down the driveway and make sure you know, nobody's um building a hobbit house into the side of the into the side of the bank or whatever. >> Um, I have a question. Did you say that th those rocks are
going to be removed? >> I believe so because we're putting in the fence instead. >> But the rocks are preventing >> Oh, no. Sorry. Just the rocks on the field side.
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> Sorry. >> Okay. So, as long as the rocks are there, then that discourages cars from >> Yes. Yeah. >> Driving or parking on that. >> Um
>> Well, they can't anyway. >> Yeah. >> So, >> Yep. Yeah. I think that's fine. I think that Yeah, that's fine. Just keep it in and it's it's really kind of a neutral it's neutral in in the eyes of the
um land trust. I think, you know, maybe the only other thing that it prevents is widening of the driveway, >> but I don't see that being >> Yeah, we would want to Tesa would want
to do >> because we have the other I guess I would just um you know, think have the town think about that. um
for f any future um uses. But you know, it it could it could go either way in that way. Like u maybe we want to prevent the town from doing anything major like putting in four
lanes in a I don't know. So, I'm gonna double check with Dillis and Roy that the edge of that red line is at the edge of the flat because there's the driveway and then there's just some flat space next to the driveway where we like put our sponsor
signs. >> Okay. >> So, I'll make sure that that red line is in the right spot. >> Um, >> yeah. And and if you want room at the top of the driveway to, you know, for whatever reason to put in a gate or, I don't know, whatever, you can always end
the line um instead of at Mason Road, you know, 20 ft down, you know. >> Yep. So,
um, it I and I would encourage that if you think you're going to want some to be, you know, putting a gate house up there someday to take tickets or I don't know what. Um, >> yeah, we currently have a gate down
where the parking starts. Um, >> yeah. >> I >> So, you know, yeah, >> whatever. I'm I'm just bringing up the, you know, the ambiguous future and all of the possibilities because once the CR goes on, >> right,
>> you don't want to be saying, "Oh, actually >> that area is actually really useful for us." >> Yeah. Um or actually we like to, you know, sometimes park up there and wave, you know, wave people into our
fundraiser or whatever. I don't know. >> They on on the river side of the access road from Mason Road up to the parking area. It's the flat area where the turtles
nest >> where the signs get put. Where the sponsor signs get put. Is that what you're saying? >> What? >> Where the sponsor signs are? >> Yeah. On that side. Yeah. There was one time there was a painted turtle. Somebody came to us and said, "Oh,
right." Uh, and it was um partway down and it was it was nesting. It did get spooked off of its nest, but it was nesting Yeah. between the road and and the first
parking area. I don't know whether you could put all your signs on the other side of the road. Sorry. >> You would also put signs in the new parking area. >> Yeah. So, we are intending to um have
signs like along our fences in the future, but that'll depend on when all of this gets built. All right. Um, so yeah, I will talk to the TASA board and have Delis and Roy update the map.
Okay. Um, anything else on the map? All right. So, that takes us to the CR and then we'll come back to appendices. So Selena had sent out an email about things that um needed to be
>> and I actually found a couple other things along the way. >> Oh, good. So do you want to >> Sure. >> take over on this part. >> All right. Um so what I would say is if anybody has anything on page one or two
um we can do that first because my first thing is on page three. >> All right. So this was page one. Are the dates correct? Um for for the things that are there. >> What I forgot I said.
>> So uh town council had sent us maps and one of the maps maybe is um one of the exhibits because it's the well building and the access road. Do you have that one? Can you bring that one? >> I can bring that one up. um our our interim town administrator
was uh um getting things because we have a question on next week's special town meeting to allow a 50-year lease for Tesa. And so he wanted maps of the area. And so council sent what he thought the
maps should be. He sent the deed, one of the maps, which we do have, and then this other map that I had never seen, >> and it's of the well. Um, >> sorry, my computer stop.
>> Yeah, I know. I saw I saw that map and I was like, "Oh, cool. That's the map we wanted to see a long time ago. >> I haven't talked to him, so I don't know where he found that. Um, >> well, it's recorded, so
>> yeah. Um, I'm looking for a date. >> File. 94. 1994. >> Yeah. So, this anyway. Okay. So, that one was the water.
Come on, computer. There we go. Okay. So, is it too small to see? If you can make it bigger, that would be good. Um, there >> on the Yeah.
>> Yeah. My Zoom stuff is in the way. Happened. You have to use the sliding bars. I hate that part. I hate that you can't click and drag.
So this, if you can see my, this is where it shows that this little finger or right of way is part of parcel 3 dash uh B-3- A,
which is where the water department wants their road. >> Yeah. Interesting that they're going to Well, how wide is that? 25 ft. And they only need what did they say? >> 12. >> 12 something like that. >> Yeah.
>> Which is good because that gives them a buffer on either side, but they'll have to make it a little windy. >> Yeah. It's got a little turn at the beginning. >> Yeah. >> Interesting. >> Which is really funny that they built that little turn into the lot line,
>> right? They they must have had to have that 16 foot setback from the edge of the house >> that >> and then they were like, "Whoops, we started building the house. Now we have to >> Yeah. existing house under
construction." Yeah, I think that's what happened. >> Yep. >> Got to be in compliance there. They're 16 feet. >> But if it's 12 feet, they might be able to go right down the middle. Yeah, they might, >> right? Yeah, >> it won't matter. So,
>> it's true. >> Anyway, okay. >> So, the >> Go ahead. >> date. >> Yeah. >> And if this map needs to be included, then we might need a different um book number. And
>> Right. >> Yeah. You know, I would include the um the previous map, which I guess is uh plan number. Oh, let's see here. Come on.
>> Yeah, cuz the other two maps are this site. >> So, maybe we just add this one in as well. >> Yeah. >> Yes, that's what I'm thinking. that we use these two that um
>> All right. So, this is 24494 the book and it's page 252 >> and the other one >> and it was recorded.
>> I wonder if this is the other one says 2449. >> Wait, where where are you seeing that? Yeah. So 2449 uh page 249 is a different um map.
>> Yeah. >> That is of this. So is it this certification date this 11193 that for me? This is a question for Adam. Um yeah I would think so. The other one
is 94. I'm not sure which is the right date to put on. >> Well, it wait a second. What are you guys talking about? >> Yeah. Sorry. It's this in the >> Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.
>> Yeah. So what you want is plan number 331 page 1 through three. So the the book the book and page has to do
with the deed reference I believe >> that's the document. So if you want to are you referencing the plan or are you referencing the >> so both. So there's this first one, this book for that's the deed,
>> right? >> And then the second one is the map that goes along with that, >> right? So I don't think that that if you put 2449, page 249 into the plan
in the Middle Sex South Registry of Gans, it would not come up with this. You would need plan number 331, page one, two or three. >> Okay. I have registry of deeds at plan
book 01994 is plan 331. >> Yeah. Yeah. Let me let me just let me just check what I'm saying against the registry of deeds right now just to make sure that I'm not full of hot air.
But I'm pretty sure >> in any event, I think the two maps that Adam sent are the two that we want in here. >> Let me let me let me let me search records. >> Wrong. It should be 2449.
>> Search record. So yeah, if I put in this map number, it comes up um in the registry. >> Yep. >> The 2449 >> 24494
>> 24494 >> and which that's the map that we were just looking at. The other one, the 2449 also comes up. >> Oh, >> at the same place
>> in the registry of deeds. >> Okay. >> So, it's two different maps, but search >> they both are in the registry. >> Got it. plan book. Amazing.
>> I can put it in. >> No, it's all good. What? However it However, if it if you check it and then it works, then that's fine. That's it. So maybe we just want one reference, the 24494.
>> But they're two different maps. So do we want one reference or do we want two? >> Might as well. >> Might as well have both of them listed. >> I agree.
>> Yeah. So this is the registry and if you click on the So this is the 24494 page 252. Okay. >> Click on the image. >> Yeah. >> It pops up in a new window and you can't
see it, but it is. >> Great. That's great. That's great. That's great. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We change it to 249 with the other insert. >> Great.
>> That also comes up. So, is it book 24449 or 2449? 4494. >> Oh, you know what? >> Yeah, it's >> this is not right. Haha.
>> Okay, I can't see that up there. So, >> this was supposed to be 24494, page 252. The other one um
does not show up, >> but it but it's in it 244. Okay, let me pull this one up. >> So, the other one is 24449 page 249. >> How confusing can they make it for us?
>> That's all the same numbers in different order. >> Yes, exactly. for are for those of us who are num numerally challenged this is a nightmare. >> So if you make it 24 so if you edit that
the plan recorded at book 244 out of four nine page 249. >> Oh wait >> do you see where I am? >> I see where you are but it doesn't have an additional it has an additional four on the end. >> Yes. >> No >> no
>> a four before the nine. >> Four before it. So three fours >> three fours nine. So 24 44 49 page 249 and book 244 94
page what was it? 331 or 251 >> 252 >> 25 >> 252 Okay >> I I will say now that we've gone through all of this >> yes >> is that um
recently um department of conservation services has has taken out the deed and
plan references in the preamble. No, not the deed, but the the plan references in the preamble and just points people to the appendex and that's where they put it because they were finding that there were too many typos
between the preamble and the appendix in terms of the book and page numbers. high. >> Um, >> but I say stick it in there because that's the way that um >> Misa wants to see it. And maybe
and then it's and then it's also if you look at the plan because so it's the it's also that the definitive subdivision of land for James Craraven dated 412 1994. This last revision has
to be wrong. um >> because it's earlier now. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um prepared by David E. Ross and recorded in as plan book 01994 uh plan 331. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. So maybe that jog isn't in there in the final. >> I had Yeah. I had never seen what um what was sent to us by council.
>> 0194 331. >> Yeah. >> Does not exist. >> It does not exist. >> How did I get that? Right. I take this in right. 01994
and 351. Yeah. 01994. >> Are you looking at a plan book as opposed to a book and a page? Like did you select plan >> instead of recorded land? >> Yes.
>> Aha. That's the difference. There it is. Okay. Now, is this the one with the Let's look at that if we can and and figure out the dates on this. I >> think I have to stop sharing share the other. >> That's okay.
And then we can let um uh NHSP or MISA or whatever uh decide how they want this to be. All right. Where's my plus? It's really hard for me to see this. >> Yeah.
>> And it's usually down in the corner and sometimes it's handwritten. >> August 30th, 1993. >> Oh, yeah. August 30, 1993. Although and the last revision
was 41294. >> Oh, yep. So, the date of endorsement. Oh, that's that's where I got the April 11th. Oh, I have April 12th. Sometimes we used to hand write it off to the right.
Um I don't see anything there. Oh, the revision. See that revision column there on the right? And then there's handwritten dates in there. Um
that's where I got the 4593. We just used to do that on planning board when they would bring things in. I wasn't on the planning board when all this happened, but do you see um >> 4593? Yep. >> And that's why I put the last revision,
but the date on it, if you go back to the left, so I'm not sure what the right way to do is here. It's received by the registry on 41294. So this is the registry stamp.
So it's probably it should probably be 8:30 1993 with last revision um of April whatever it was 1994 or
something. I don't know. I believe in the preamble the reference is to the date it was recorded because the the information in that basically what they want you to be able to do is go to the registry and find the
supporting evidence and the t the chain of title and so that the the the fact that the endorsement was on August 30th 1993 or whatever that's the planning board endorsement that doesn't
mean anything until it gets recorded into the registry of deeds. So, you want the the book and page and the date that it was recorded up in the as a as the reference of like if you're looking for
the evidence and the chain of title of where where it's coming from, >> that's what you're going to be looking for. So going back to the Misa document, we we want to say uh recorded
at plan book one definitive subdivision of land for James Craraven prepared just leave out this dated with last revision or we could say recorded 41294
instead of dated 19 that last week. >> I mean, you know, honestly, you just want to use the plan that the deed references if there's any >> or um
so let me open my files maybe. Where's my deeds? Well, I didn't save the deeds. >> I have >> the one 41569 page 181, right?
>> I have 41965. Uh, maybe I have it wrong here. >> Oh my goodness. 41569. So >> 41569. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's in the words. It's right. When we go up to granters's title, that
should be 41569 instead of >> 41569, page 181. >> So that's the deed, right? And so in this one it says um blah blah blah three certain parcels of
land shown on the plan entitled definitive subdivision plan in towns in Mass blah blah blah plan L691-110 in Middle South County Registry of Deeds
plan book two 444 4 9 page 249. >> Okay. >> On April 12th, 1994. So that is the plan that you should reference. >> Okay. >> Right. Which one is that? That's uh >> that's the original one. It's the one
that we had. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I would say that if you if you want what is what is helpful right, is to put the other maps into the baseline if they're helpful.
>> You can say for reference or for but I will let's see that's there's three pages of that map and I do see uh I don't see that um little kink in the road on the actual
plan from the deed. That is true. >> Yeah. >> So that's that's why like um
that's why you want the um the the the written out description of the meets and bounds because >> uh for the for the CR, right? Um because you can get all of these survey
plans and you know th this this reference this plan doesn't have that little jog. That means that little jog doesn't exist right >> even though there's a plan that shows it. >> I am telling you I had never seen that
other plan the one that um >> that Adam provided. I never saw that before. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, so in the description of the CR, >> we are taking out a lot of this and just
the deed at U recorded at book 2449 page 249 on a on April 12th, 1994. Is that correct? Um, so
>> I I put all this originally. >> So yes, and then >> so here's the the the other thing is that at the end of this we are going to have our own plan that has the just that has the CR on it. Right? So we have to
remember that like the premises, you know, the the >> the CR is on that it on that property, right? But it doesn't
it doesn't follow the exact boundaries of that property, right? So what you're g So so it's located on the premises. you know, the the premises I would say
I think it's just like it's just like the water department plan, you know, which is on top of of that land, you know, >> right? Mhm. >> Mhm. So, so all I'm saying is that like I think this is why EA is saying
maybe take the description of the premises out of the preamble, you know, I and put it into the appendices that say um you know, uh the following
conservation restriction on land containing a portion of the 40 acre property include Um uh uh um as defined on expan um on
exhibit A or as described in exhibit A and shown on the recorded plan in exhibit B. And you're not going to have the recorded plan information until you record the plan. >> So you just put a placeholder there.
That was what the TBD. >> Yeah. >> Right. Yep. And so I think we can say, you know, a portion of a 40 acre property um at um
recorded in book uh 41569 page 181 blah blah blah and further described in appendix A or further defined in appendix A and shown on recorded plan in
appendix B and just leave it at that because otherwise >> um you're referring to more than you need to refer to, right? Um, as long as the deed is referenced that
it's attached to I think we're we need that. All right. So, we need the premises described in the deed record book blah blah blah. But take out this part.
Uh yeah. So yeah, take out that because um and the plan uh recorded at book TBD page TBD. Yeah. My husband just brought me some pizza,
so I'm going to eat. I'm sorry. >> Go right ahead. >> Okay. So then we don't need all the rest of this but also shown on >> other than um the very last sentence I think or maybe
the a reduced copy of which is attached here too as exhibit B you know. >> Yeah. So I would say um let's see describing um
>> is is exhibit A the deed >> is a portion of the 40 >> and excluding the area. So can can we just say let's see the following conservation restriction on land
uh located in towns in mass. So just to so get rid of a portion of the 40 acre property I think in town mass um portion of the 40 acre.
Look here you >> or maybe okay >> on land containing a portion >> that okay so keep sorry I'm sorry Selena >> you're okay
>> so um so keep the portion of the 40 acre property but delete including parcels B1 B2 B1 parcel D parcel B3A and excluding the area exhibit C. So it just says
containing uh a portion of the 40 acre property located in towns of Mass Commonwealth of Massachusetts premises. Which premises is described in I would say um
it's described in the D below and the plan recorded book page Middle Sex South and then period after registry of deeds period cuz we don't want and also shown
on squanakic motors because um the the yeah because the deed will reference that plan if the uh
>> so do we need this um registry a reduced and then all the way to a reduced copy of which is attached here too as exhibit B or so as descri and and then you can also
say a description of which is included in exhibit A and a reduced copy of which is attached here to as exhibit B. >> Okay. Do we need this part about the >> plan book?
>> Plan book. No. Okay. Yes. And this is where we would say a description of which is attached hereto as exhibit A. a legal description of which
>> you want to keep that. I would just add it in in front of the Yeah. In front of because you want to keep the reduced copy. >> That would be >> Yep. Oh, maybe now I can think a little clearer that I've got some food in my It
always helps to have the food and a reduced coffee. Yeah. Yeah, that looks good. >> Does it need to say a legal description though? >> Need the word legal. >> Was that a yesing? Yeah, you can. Yeah,
add legal description because that's what it will be. >> And then I'd leave the the last sentence in. >> Okay, so we have that one now. >> That one. Gree cheers for Selena editing
on the fly with everybody yelling at her. >> Okay, so that takes care of page one. Are the dates correct? Squanakook meadows definitive subdivision of land blah blah blah. And then the next one, uh, the Tesa comp Soccer complex is
leased. Finalize placement of this piece or remove. So what did we do with that? All right. So, that was on page three, right? >> Um, no pages really here.
One one. Maybe it is on page three. It's I There it is. Sorry. Yes, that was my next. Okay, that's this. Um, so when we talked at the last meeting, we suggested taking this
sentence that's in I and moving it to be part of G, >> but that didn't seem to make sense in my brain. >> Okay. >> So, my thought was, um, should it be a definition?
>> Oh, that's a good thought. Um, yeah, let's let's see where that would fit. I I wasn't sure where to put it, honestly. Selena, like I don't know where this goes. All right. So, definitions
um impervious structure passive recreation. Yeah, we could just put F, you know. Um, and then I guess you could just say
Tesa Soccer Complex. colon. >> Yeah. >> Um described. Yeah. Oops. Okay. We good with that?
>> Yeah, I think that that's appropriate. >> Okay. All right. So, um, the next thing I found, assuming I didn't forget something else I found before,
um, oh, Veronica, did you have a chance to check on the >> I did not. >> Okay, >> hazardous material. Let me look at that. >> It was whether or not the well would have chlorine. Okay. >> Or other H have, you know, I just didn't
want >> there to be a conflict between what the well require like what the what they needed, >> you know. >> Yeah, let me talk to um water about that. Nothing I don't think is added at
the wellhead. But if this is a um prohibited use and then in the allowed uses we say what the well needs. Does that cover that? >> It may
it it so potentially it's very broad. The well the the allowance for the well is very broad. it. And um let's just jump down there for a second
because I need to refresh my memory. Right. >> Use of the area as a well as described in the deed and outlined in the towns and bylaw section.
Uh, so, um, I don't know. Does that cover it? Um >> cuz the bylaw I'm pretty sure like they say no toxic or hazardous materials as well.
Um, yeah. If it's not a if it's not a thing, it's not a thing. Um, I don't think it is. >> All right, then we can resolve that comment. And because I I I didn't know, so I was just bringing it up. I don't
want to create >> I'm going to have Dave Van check that. I'm just going to ask him to just check that. Make sure that that meets his uses. It should. >> Yeah, >> it should. >> Okay, >> great. So, we can resolve it.
>> Okay. >> All right. Um, so then the next thing I found was here. Okay. Um, I think soccer is supposed to be playing
fields, not soccer. >> Yeah, let's do playing fields. Yeah. Um and then we say the division of fisheries and wildlife but it was defined as
referred to as division. So I think we should remove the of fisheries and wildlife >> um >> up in the definitions or something or in the >> definitions or but is this okay? Yeah, it's in the beginning.
Um, as long as they say the Division of Fisheries and Wildlife is referred to as the division, I think it's fine. >> Okay. Same here. Um, and then
we have where permitted twice. Where was that one? Somewhere in here >> we're permitted >> here >> is where >> permitted >> yeah we have a type
>> where yeah >> I would say we're permitted by this conservation >> restriction out the other where permitted yeah the one at the end >> okay >> and then there's another division of fisheries and wildlife
Yeah, which can just be the division right underneath there. >> Looks like that text is from their template. >> I think it is. I can double check. I have it pulled up. I had it
>> which is I mean I just think it's amusing. Yeah, I found a bunch of those type of errors in their template where they they did things and then they uh didn't do the same thing later.
Okay, so that's the where permitted. There's another division of fisheries and wildlife in the next line >> and apparently I deleted a base. Okay. All right. Next thing is just a little
below. Um that's the Wellfield. Ah, this exhibit. Um, >> is this where you want to put um >> So, we said we needed to
>> other map >> that the >> that the board sentence >> really call out like that there won't be a road there. It just shows that that parcel, right?
that space, >> right? Um, >> that's described in the deed and outlined. Um, I would put it in. What would that be?
Exhibit D. Well, well, um, Ronnie, could we just say as shown on the CR plan exhibit B? Because it cuz that has the road.
>> It does have it and it's spelled out. Yeah. Um that might be the simplest >> because I because I think even I mean that the uh like you're saying it doesn't show the
road on the plan that the select board uh or this the town administrator said but the um and it also has that weird jog that we don't think is actually there. Is that exhibit >> B? Exhibit B.
>> Yeah, >> we do survey, right? >> Yeah. The shown in exhibit. >> Yeah. >> Not to be consume confused with parcel B. Right.
>> Okay. Um, oh yeah, one of the places where they so they used division here, but it's not the division like it is everywhere else including in the very next sentence.
I I was a um put a the in a tech writer for a long time. So, >> it's amazing. It's a I love it. I love it so much. And and we're going to be giving them like a really really good CR. Well, you should be like, "Listen,
you should send this as your template next time." >> That's right. All right. Um, then we go to the last page before the
signatures right here. Uh, no, not right there. Sorry. Right here. Okay. So, I was looking at the original template and for this homestead thing,
>> um, it had this first paragraph and then the word or the second paragraph. >> Yes. >> Um, so I'm not sure this first paragraph applies.
It it probably so the basically a conser well we can try to take it out. EA might >> I'm wondering if this second paragraph is better than the first.
>> So I'm going to reject this change for a minute and that's fine. We can Well, so right. So, >> neither of them apply. >> They don't apply. This is >> neither.
So, so here there's the the I issue for me was like, you know, there's no homestead. Like we want to say nobody's living on the property. Nobody can claim this
as their homestead because basically the like legally speaking what this these two paragraphs are trying to get at is are there is there anybody who has rights to this land that
could come and supersede the the conservation restrictions. So they want to know does the bank have a mortgage on the property? Is there somebody else who has title? Is there is there a homestead or something where somebody can claim that you know this is this is their
where they live their their place of residence. So it could be that maybe this the town solicitor I don't we could what we could do is just take out
both and just see what they do. Um, I I think we have to say that there is no homestead there because like those three acres that I just gave to Fish and Wildlife, we had to have a thing about,
you know, that there's no homestead on those three acres. So, >> and I guess and I guess the so that so I think you so the second one paragraph specifically
talks about like leans on the property basically and that if you have if you have like anything on your title where somebody else could could like a mortgage age, home equity, line of credit,
um any sort of like tax lean, whatever that that you can have those things, but they have to be subordinated to the conservation restriction. You need a letter from your financial institution
saying that the CR comes first >> and then >> I don't think that's part of this paragraph. I think that's its own standalone That was a >> Oh, beyond that. Oh, is that below that? >> Yeah.
>> Oh, maybe I just I just assumed that that's what that was. >> No, this three is a separate thing. >> Yeah. No, I see that now. I see that now. What I'm saying is like maybe I thought that this second paragraph was
the third paragraph as well. Um but still well I guess it's the question for the town if the granter reserves and retains any and all homestead rights. Do you want that or do you just want to
say we attest that there are no >> right it's neither >> neither works because it's not a homestead. >> I know but I guess maybe the first one does
basically say it's not a homestead. >> I think that's why we picked that. It seems like the template is saying to us, choose one of those paragraphs, >> right? And I think Yeah, I think I was
saying I out of those two, the first one makes slightly more sense to me, but neither of them actually fit. And maybe maybe that's a like you're saying Selena maybe that's a question for the the like the town solicitor or
something you know what are the implications to the town if they choose one or the other. >> Okay. So, I'll put a note here. Okay. Okay. So then I noticed
in this paragraph um that Anna had put a question that we didn't talk about last time. >> I Oh, I I did ask and Ronnie said no. >> No, there isn't any. Okay. So then we
should tweet this text, right? Um, sure. >> Yeah, it wouldn't hurt to do that. >> That text is from EA, >> the EA template, so they're hopefully
they'll accept it. I don't know >> if they if if Misa doesn't um says, "Oh, no. E O EA when we submit it to them, we'll come back and say this needs to be in there." >> Yeah. Okay.
So then I will close that comment. All right. Um, no. Is it other than making sure that the exhibits are what they are supposed to be? So the description of the
premises. >> Yeah. the reduced copy and then the Tesa soccer complex. So with the um map that we reviewed tonight, it actually
calls out the Tesa Soccer Complex as part of that map. So, I'm not sure if we need exhibit C or if we just refer to exhibit B in all those spots.
Oh, I see what you're saying. Now, I I have a question. What happens? So, we're doing a 50-year lease lease. What happens if in and I I say this not because I think taste is going away but my son played for PAT
youth hockey and it no longer exists. >> Yes. >> So should we be calling it Holly's playground? >> I I'm I'm I mean Yeah. But I'm serious because what if it becomes something
else like it could become lacrosse fields or >> Right. And that's why we referred to it as playing fields rather than soccer fields. And the reason I called it the Tesa soccer complex was because that's how we
>> made our plan, right? >> Yeah. >> Um so I I'm just wondering if and Anna maybe you can answer this question too. How do we make it that that playing area is how do we refer to that so that it
doesn't have to be a a soccer complex >> in perpetuity? >> I think calling it the Tesa Soccer Complex is not saying it has to be. It just says that's what we called it on this map that you're looking at.
>> Okay. And we couldn't call it Holly's playground because that's the entire parcel including the CR part. >> Huh. Okay. But we could instead of saying TASA soccer complex, we could
just call it the >> field complex. >> Yeah. >> Playing field complex or Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's do that. Let's playing field complex. So again, >> just as part of exhibit, does it need to
have its own >> I think I think it could be its own it's I mean I think we could refer to exhibit B >> everywhere. I I don't think there would be any problem with that >> thing somewhere
as I would say um shown in instead of described >> y >> um >> shown in uh expansion plans um exhibit B is shown in exhibit B. Yeah.
>> Yeah. and just call it something. The playing field complex is a generic thing. So >> So exhibit B shouldn't say Tasa soccer fields or whatever it says.
>> I'm going to get to that one. >> So that Okay. So that has to be changed, too. >> Okay. >> So we only have then exhibit A and exhibit B. the description of the premises, legal
description of the premises, and the reduced copy of the recorded plan. >> So, under definitions, we're not going to have Tesa soccer complex anymore. >> It's going to be playing field complex instead. >> Okay.
>> Um, yeah, I was just going to say, or should we just say recreation complex? There's an idea that works. Yeah, that works too. >> That makes it very generic. >> Yeah.
>> Recreation. >> Okay. >> Which is should we say which is leased by the town >> or just >> it's owned by the town. Um,
>> we can just leave that out. We don't have to Okay, because who knows? I mean, it at some point in 51 years, it may not be leased anymore. It could be that the town is >> in a different place and using the
recreation department is doing something there. I I don't know. I mean, who knows? >> Yeah. We're in a recreation complex and this was my job for a long time.
>> You're so good at it. I mean, I am >> way better than me. >> We are so lucky. >> I know. Oh my gosh, >> Selena. I could uh if you want a summer gig,
>> help me with my No trap. >> I This is, you know, I got so many conservation projects that I could use technical assistance with. Technical writing
assistance. >> Okay. Unless I forgot anything I included in my email to you guys originally. >> I think the last What was the last? Let me I have your email. >> I think it might have been the exhibits part. >> It's the exhibits. Yeah.
Um, exhibits in the final list at the end of the document is the description of the premises. B is the reduced copy of the plan. >> Yeah. >> C is the taste of soccer complex, but we're removing C. >> Yeah. >> We also mentioned in the allowed uses that there should be an exhibit of the
well building and access, but we fixed that already. >> Yep. >> But we don't have anything exhibits for this yet. So, and that is the entirety of we've gotten everything else. >> Okay. So, all right. All right.
>> I think we can send this over to is it Misty? >> Miss. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, that is review of CR and next steps. So, the next steps is to
send it to Miss Deianne and see what she says. Do we need the map from Dillis and Roy before we send this to Miss? >> Um, we could I think we should give her the existing map with a caveat that things
>> be edited slightly >> edited. Yeah, >> that's what I think. What do you think, Anna? Do you think that'll confuse her? >> Good. >> I don't think so. I think it's close enough and it gives it gives her a a
good sense of what we're trying to do. I mean, >> it's not majorly different. >> She may have some of the same comments on the map that >> we did. Yeah. >> Um, we're putting the habitat management
piece in as part of the BDR, correct? >> Yes. She it's possible that she'll ask about that because she's concerned about the habitat. >> Should we send her that and just as well and say this will be part of the BDR?
>> I I don't know. >> Yes, I think you should send her that. And um can you scroll up to the baseline um section? There's a part of my brain which is very unreliable.
>> Might thinks we might have >> this section or the baseline. >> That's the one. >> Okay. >> So, okay. Um,
never mind. Nope, that doesn't have it. But maybe within the reserve, right? I is there some reference to the There is a reference to the management plan in this isn't there? >> It was in here somewhere cuz we changed
to Oh, that was in the minutes. Never mind. um >> could be in the um permitted uses like um habitat mission.
>> I think they called it a conservation >> the conservation >> management plan or something. There you go. All actions and activities require authorization by the conservation management permit. Um,
conservation restriction. Uh, scroll up a little bit. No, the CMP requires habitat registr restoration. Replicical CMP requirements. Uh maybe under
>> there was more for CMP. >> I I so the CMP I thought the the permit but do we do the habitagement plan? We have to submit the habitat management plan in order to get
>> the conservation management permit. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> that's right, Emily. That's right. So, I think maybe we had talked about not needing to reference the plan
because the permit requires the plan. Is that right? >> Yes. I I think that Misty needs the habitat management plan first. They're not going to accept the the CR
without having seen our habitat management plan and okaying it, >> but I think we can submit them both at the same time. >> All right. So,
>> I was just thinking to myself like, you know, should the should the plan be referenced in the CR? And I don't think it needs to be if the permit is referenced in the CR because >> right, >> you can't get the permit without the
plan, >> right? >> So, Selena, are you going to send that all to Miss Deianne? That is the question. Um, do you want me to send it on behalf of the town? Do you want me to send
>> Let me because it seemed because the town is the land owner, >> right? >> Should we be doing that with Miss Deianne because the the thing from Brian came to the town? >> Yep. Um, and so, uh,
um, I think we should probably do it, but let me check tomorrow and I'll let you know. >> And I can, if I didn't already, I think I did, but I can always send or resend the habitat management plan for you to >> Yeah, you could do that. So, I will need
this. I will need the habitat management plan and I will need Miss Deianne's email. Um, and I would CC you on what we send. >> Yeah. >> And um, and then the question is, do I send it or does Kieran I think it
>> or do we want Dan from LEC who helped us with the um, >> the habitat to send these? >> He might get um, response or faster response
>> response from her than we had. Yeah. >> Should he submit them both or just the habitat plan? I don't know. He should probably do the habitat plan. We should probably do the the um CR.
That's what I think cuz he is Wow. It's so >> Yes. >> Ronnie. >> Yes. >> What about this? What about if you send both and CC
Matt on it. >> Dan. Dan. >> Dan. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, and I don't know. Just >> Or could it be sent by both the town of
Townsen and Tesa? >> Well, we don't have a joint email. I mean, I I would CC Tesa on it. So the town sends and CC's Dan Tesa
ETC. Okay. >> Mhm. >> Let me find out. Um and and yes, send me the what we did today for the plan and the habitat management plan
>> and then we'll get that out. Um and uh so that is our next step. All right. On budget and funding, can I move on from this? >> Um, I just want to be clear for the
minutes. So, who's going to be sending the stuff to Miss Deianne? >> Um, Veronica is going to determine who is sending >> and then they will be sent. >> Yes. >> And the goal is to have it out by Monday
or on Monday. All right. So, I don't Did I email you this? No. The budget. Can I email it to you right now? >> Um, I'm going to email I did I took the budget that um Anna sent me and I kind
of munched it and um let me do new mail to Tesa. Um, see our budget and I just want to go over quickly. Um, need an attachment. So, just give me one
minute. This computer see I think this is the right one. So, throw it up there and see. We'll see what comes up. Um
the uh survey um uh invoice got sent to the town by Dillis and Roy. Um and uh so that means that we have to go out for bids to get
two others. And Kieran is seeing whether or not he can use what Selena has already done because we did, if you read the lease, we allow you to do this, right? >> And we signed the Misa permit with the select board back in January.
So, um, the permit application. So, um, in any event, uh, we had thought it was going to go directly to NRWA, but it didn't. And so that means that it has to um follow the process, but Selena did
get other bids. So um there's that. >> We have an Apple to non-Apple issue issue. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I didn't PDF it. That's what I have to do. I use numbers.
Okay. I'm sorry. >> That's okay. >> Let me open this um file, export to PDF. Okay, let me try sending it again. Okay, I'm just going to See if it works. Did you get it?
>> Not yet. Make sure it's something right. There. >> Is that better? Is a PDF? >> No. >> I'm sorry. >> Oh, wait. No. Here it is. >> You got it. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Okay. I just did this this afternoon right before I sent you the the agenda. Anna, did you get that earlier, by the way? Had you received that or was that the
first time you got the agenda >> when I got it earlier? >> You did? Okay, that's >> Yeah, >> I'm not I I actually do appreciate you sending it again because my days are so full. I'm like, I don't have to look for
it, >> right? I understand. >> There we go. >> Um, so this is budget and I I was just um I I went through and I edited things. So, anyhow, um the land is donated.
Recording fees, there's 210 in there. I'll bet that that's low because I think that the fees have been increased at the registry. I'm not sure but I it's an estimate column there. The um the survey has come in at 24,500
um which is higher than I expected and so I put that in both the estimate and the actual I should have put 10,000 in the estimate because that was what the 10,000 was but um anyhow doesn't matter.
Uh so under um indirect project costs, there's the cost for the land stewardship and the legal defense. Then the baseline documentation. And Anna, this is what I wanted to ask you. I put 8,000 in there. The number that was in
there and what you sent me was like 4,200. But um and also if you know of people that do this sort of work that you like, if you could email me those, that would be helpful.
>> Yeah, I can email you that. I think, you know, it depends on if you got a private contractor, it'll probably be less. Um, but then if you hired like LEC to do it,
but LEC could do it that, you know, um, I'd say North County Land Trust could do it, but I don't have time, so I'm gonna let somebody else do it. >> You're the CR holder, too, so I don't know.
>> Oh, well, CR holders can do it. Um >> Oh, they can. Okay. >> Yep. Um, >> yeah. But >> but but I don't I would I would prefer to have someone else do it just cuz you
know the contractors who do who are doing it all the time, they just that's what they do. They set they're set up for it and all that stuff. So, >> okay. >> Um, sometimes, uh, foresters can do it. Some foresters do it. Uh, anyway, I'll send you my list and >> Okay. And I'll check with the
conservation commission or Mike, maybe you can to see who they've used for DDR. >> Sure. >> Yeah, they probably know. Um because we'll have to >> procure that. >> Yeah.
>> Um so anyway, there's that. So going down under revenue forecast. So I was looking at this. you had uh the community foundation down there for what you know for that old budget. Um and so
I just I left them there with a question and it's for stewardship and fees. So I combined the 2600 and the 210. I don't know if my numbers are exactly right there, but anyway. Uh I didn't know what toot was.
>> Uh town of Townsand. >> Town of Townsand. Okay. Um, I never thought I was taught, but yeah. Okay. Um, legal defense was 3500. And then the Marian started greenway
funds, that's for the survey. Land conservation assistance grant. I just pulled that up today and I'm going to start communicating with them tomorrow. >> And it's Daria Mattis is the person. >> Dar Yep. Daria Mattis. Yep.
>> Daria Mattis. Do you know her, Anna? >> I do. >> Um I'm late. Um >> yes, >> they uh April and I haven't had any contact beyond that um thing that I went to in October where uh
>> um uh you know who I mean the woman >> and she uh she told me about this fund >> but hadn't done anything with it since then. other um anyway, but I do think we
do qualify for that for the BDR. >> Yeah, you absolutely do. I would definitely call her. She's very lovely, very nice, very approachable and uh just talk to her because she may have insights. I don't know how far down that fund has been spend. It's spent.
>> It's first comes first serve and it's kind of towards the end of their period. So she'll she'll be she'll steer steer you right and it's a very very simple application form. So >> I I looked through that and I thought
okay having this budget helps for part of the application anyway. >> Yeah. >> Um and um anyway so I will talk to her then. Do you think 8,000 is about the right amount >> for a BDR? I mean,
I think that's high, honestly. >> You had it at something like 42, which seemed low to me. >> Yeah. I mean, >> we had said 48,000. We had said 5,000 before. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I I think I think, you
know, 5,000 would be uh on the higher end of what I would pay for BDR of for a prop for land this size and the amount of um items that you're
interested in including. Um, I suppose if you not really anything overly complicated about this, uh, BDR. Um, >> okay.
>> So, there's a, you know, there's a lot of attachments and, you know, things to the nar the narrative is something that >> I don't know that it's not >> going to take too much. But, so I would
say, you know, 8,000 will definitely cover you if you're going to go to a environmental consulting firm. >> Mhm. Um I think some of the private contractors you'll be more around five to four to five.
>> All right. So I'll talk to Daria and see. >> Yeah. >> Um so that's what I have budgetwise and that's it. That's all I've done there. >> Anything else we should talk about? >> So we did say the budget for the survey
we thought was 12,000. >> Was 12,000. >> Yeah. Yeah. It came in twice. >> Yeah. That's surprising. So anyway, um yeah. So anyway, so there's that. Um and
all right, uh that's it. That's all I have for reviewing the budget and funding sources. So 2.3 is discussion of a presentation and a presentation for boards and committees. I did do the select board.
Selena was there on Tuesday just because um so there was a vote on support for the concept of the CR at Squanak Meadows and that uh came out favorably. >> So um so we have have that presentation
pretty much done and I pretty much used the map and the deed. >> Yeah. was and just showed how the the CR kind of matched the deed and and and the wording was up there, too. It's hard to
put the wording up when we have all those strikeouts and all, but >> but it's it worked. So, >> yeah. >> And um that's it. >> That's great. Should we um go to the
conservation commission, Mike? Does that make sense? If you want to see if we should get on your agenda at some point. >> Sure. >> And maybe the planning board. Um but I don't know who else. What do you guys think?
>> Anybody else? James at the last night's meeting did ask me for the next meeting to just sort of report on where we are in this. But then I'll ask Colby um or I'll ask James and you should if you want a formal
presentation in front of the >> it it can be informal or it can be you presenting if you want I think that's fine. >> Okay. So I mean I presented for the select board and I didn't run it by anybody.
So but just let us know so that we could attend or if we wanted you know >> if three of us are there it's >> Oh yeah we can do that only. Yeah. So >> but >> I won't be there. >> You could go with Mike and
>> or I could go with Mike. >> Emily could go with Mike. >> Yeah. one of us could be there to support if need be. >> Okay. >> So, just let us know when the meeting is and uh >> Okay. So, to make it clear,
this would be in addition to this little informal report that I'm making next meeting or do we make this? >> Your informal report would be what I'm thinking of. Okay. >> The question is if you would like back up to help answer any questions. Yeah,
>> let us know where the meeting is. >> For sure. Because >> we're going through this and I'm thinking I had absolute no idea that it was going to be this complex and there's a reason why I'm not a lawyer.
>> And and at that meeting, um will you ask for the conservation commission to approve of the concept of a CR? Sure. >> Yeah. I don't know.
>> I just feel like here we are. We're moving forward on this. This is real now >> and people are going to be spending money are have spent money on this. There's money being expended and so we want to make sure that the CR is
supported. So that's >> and and uh the commission should be aware that they will um Oh wait, no they don't have to sign off on the comm on the CR.
>> Sorry, I was I was thinking of a different Yeah. If they were holding it, they would >> and the select board are one and the same. >> That's right. Yeah. >> Yeah. So there are no conservation signatures, but people
>> I mean >> it's just one less one less board to get signatures from. I'm you know >> I've got uh >> um >> too many projects where I'm like, "Oh, I got to get this signature." Anyway,
>> and then um there's planning board. >> I planning board um would be good. I can go to planning board. Selena, you could come with me. Um, >> so I know I know your recreation commission or committee isn't involved,
but is that something that >> they should know about or >> Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I don't know who the chair is of the recreation commission. I can find out. Um,
uh, I kayak with her and all of a sudden her name just went poof. >> You will remember it. >> Okay. So, Mike is doing the cons with one of us. So, let us know, Mike, and um, we'll see to it that one of us is
there. Um, Mike, the planning board will be me and Selena and I'll I'll check in with them for when to >> Yeah. >> And then rec commission I'll check with them too to see when they're meeting next and if we could talk to them.
>> Emmy >> Oh, yeah. >> She's our she's not the board. She's the >> No, she's our she's our director. Whatever. >> The recreation supervisor. I think it might be Rachel.
>> Rachel. >> Okay, I'll talk to Emma. She'll tell me. >> All right. >> So, at some point, do we want to have a night at like the library meeting and
open it to the public to come in? >> I think that's a good idea. Are we at that point now or do we want to do it? Let's wait until Misty gets her comments back. Once Misty gets her comments back, I want to run it by town council.
>> Yep. >> And then submit to EOEA if that's okay with everybody. >> Yep. >> So, um Yeah. >> So, after we've submitted it to EOA or after it's gone gone through council,
>> I think after it's gone through council. Okay. >> Then we do it. It can be in the EOEA process when we do a a thing. Okay. >> Cuz once the EOA process is done, it's just a matter of >> signatures. >> Signatures. So,
>> um just and just one little thing we need to be careful about is um the more people that know about endangered species details,
the more likely it is that there will be poaching problems and and it is a real issue. um I forget the name of the guy up in New Hampshire who wrote um a turtle book
about a place that he called the digs and um and it's been destroyed by >> by people who have gone there because they've read about it, you know, and
that's why in size book it was all a different town, a different date, >> right? >> Um, so we just have to be really careful about how much information
is given to the public at large. I that's that's just something we really have to watch out for or the place will get loved to death.
All right. So, >> David Carol was his name. >> David Carol. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, um Michael will let us know. I'll schedule the planning board and the recreation commission and let
everybody know when that is uh so that um we have we have two people each time. All right, that's it for 2.3. The next is uh agenda and dates for next
meetings. So, um, the the things I can see having to talk about are funding, um, a presentation to the larger public when we get to that point, and anything
that comes back from Misti. So, I think we should wait a couple weeks if that's okay with everybody. Does that sound right to you to I'm I'm dropping everything. >> I think the other thing we need to um
look at would be the revised um conservation restriction plan map from Delis and Roy. >> Okay. All right. So it's funding the revised map
presentation and Misty's comments. Um I believe when I spoke with Misty the timeline for getting it returned once we send it to her was pretty long.
It would be what? >> Pretty long. >> Pretty long. >> Um I'm looking for I made a note. >> Like two weeks. Two weeks. School vacation. the it was the 20th, right?
>> So this is the if I get it to her on the 16th of March. Um >> I um I have to run, but um can you just send me a meeting invite or whenever we're meeting next?
>> Okay, that sounds good. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you, Anna. Appreciate it. >> Yeah. Bye. Bye. >> See you. Bye. >> So, we're looking at April. >> We're looking at April. And I'm thinking the 16th.
Is that too late, though? Well, let's wait and see what um if Sabrina finds that message. because that's what five weeks from today. >> Yeah. >> Um that's a long time. But I don't know what her
>> could we tenatively make it for the 9th >> and then if we haven't heard back from her by then, we could just switch to the 16th >> or even the second. We could do the second. That's three weeks. The second
is three weeks. Does that work for you, Mike? I think um the Easter holiday is that weekend, the fourth and the fifth. >> Oh, yeah. >> If people were traveling or anything,
>> my son has a track meet on the second floor. >> On the second. Let's go to the On the 9th, I have a meeting until 7, but it's here in town, so I could be here at like 7:15 or 7:30. >> We could do 7:30.
I hate to do that to you. >> So, Thursday the 9th at 7:30. >> Okay. >> I move that we adjourn. I'm good at that. >> Emily Fine, you have to say your name because it's remote.
>> Emily Fine moves to ajourn at 911 p.m. >> It's late. Um, is there a second? >> Second. >> Um, all those in favor, roll call, please. Starting with Mike.
>> Mike Ped. Yes. >> Selena Thomas, yes. And Veronica Cal, yes. and >> Emily fine. Yes. >> All right. We are journed.