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Part 1 (Video ID: tecKsghEAZk):
- 00:00:01: Meeting Start, Roll Call, Flag Allegiance, and Announcements
- 00:02:10: Approve Meeting Minutes from March 11th and 25th
- 00:04:51: Agent's Report: IDRFs, Permits, Adams Dam Update, Enforcement
- 00:07:59: Discussion Regarding Enforcement Letter Sent to 61 Edwards
- 00:10:56: Discussion on Route 119 Culvert Clearing and Repairs
- 00:12:38: Amendment Request for 80 Main Street Septic System
- 00:14:16: Continuation Request for Brookline Road Septic System Project
- 00:15:47: DNR Request to Continue Brookline Road Septic System Project
- 00:17:58: Tree Cutting Discussion: Town Historic Society 72 Main Street
- 00:18:30: Request to Continue Discussion on 72 Main Street Tree Cutting
- 00:19:25: Discussion on Fines, Case Law and Tree Cutting at 72 Main
- 00:27:58: Motion to Continue Discussion on Main Street Tree Cutting
- 00:28:58: Volunteer Response Form Submission: Abigail Farley Interview
- 00:31:31: Discussion Whether to Move Forward with Abigail's Appointment
- 00:32:25: Volunteer Response Form Submission: Brian Pinkerton Interview
- 00:40:37: Discussion of Concerns Regarding Mass Ready Act
- 00:50:28: Continue Reorganization of Conservation Commission to June
- 00:52:38: Standard Operating Procedure Development for Trail Creation
- 00:57:34: National River Wild and Scenics Grant Land Options Discussed
- 00:59:29: Reviewing Conservation Commission Property List on Mass Map
- 01:02:19: South Harbor Road, Conservation Area Parcel Discussion
- 01:05:05: Ponderosa Road Timberly Park Conservation Discussion
- 01:08:58: Timberly landlocked parcel discussion
- 01:11:51: Main Street Parcel Land Grant Discussion, Survey Estimates
- 01:16:17: Motion to Get Three Quotes on Parcels for Land Grant
- 01:20:35: July Discussion for Forestry Management Plans on Land
- 01:21:26: Manage Forest Health, Logging Trees, and Biodiversity
- 01:28:11: Discussion Items: Maccc Email on Mass Ready Act
- 01:30:50: Discussion of Annual Conservation Commission Cookout


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Wednesday, uh, May 13, 2026 at 7:04 p.m. >> All right, let's make sure phones are muted >> and during the course of the meeting,

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could could you people restrain from conversations, please? >> Are you in a bad mood? No, I just don't like people when we're in a meeting talking. >> It's difficult for us. >> We'll be trying to call.

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>> Got it. >> Thank you. >> Um, a uh roll call, please. Starting with Mike. >> Mike said, present. >> James Gates, present. >> James Dyan, present.

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>> Lord, present. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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This meeting is being recorded. Is anyone else recording chairman's additions and or deletions? um 2.1 and 3.1 are going to be continued uh based on your request of the U engineer,

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but we will make a motion when we get to those. Um >> 3.1 and which again >> 2.1 can I can explain further when we get there. >> No, worry about it. anything I uh chair report anything I

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have um >> my report would will be covered under the agent report um 1.6 6 review and approve meeting minutes from March 11th, 2026 and uh March 25th,

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2026. Everyone had a chance to >> Did you staple them both together? >> I only got to one because >> So, we're only going to approve March 11th, >> correct? >> All right. So, I'm going to

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>> make a change. Uh we are not approving March 25th. only Marshall was close to a little extra time. Good. Discussion

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comments, feedback, motion, anything. A motion wonderful motion to uh set the meeting minutes of March 1126. >> Second. >> Mike second.

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>> Um roll call starting with Mike. >> Mike say yes. >> James Gates. Yes. >> James Dorian. Yes. >> Sandra Lord. Yes. 1.7 agent report. >> All right. Good evening.

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Uh let me start off with the ID RS as always departmental referral forms. Uh 30 was uh only one IDF was 35 Greenville Road. It's going to be a new house construction and there are

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wetlands on the property in the riverfront area as well, but the they are not in the proposed work area. Um, next is a building permit application. It's for one harbor lane.

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The uh application is for a large pavilion to be built on the property. Um, and there are again it's a large property so it has wetlands on the property. uh but they are not within the proposed work area.

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I did a site visit to 74 Hannes Road and that's just from a property owner calling who wants to remove some trees along their driveway. Uh but they have a wetland near near to the driveway but um the trees are just outside of the

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wetland buffer so there was no permit required. uh an Adams Dam update. We uh we did have a meeting. It was just the uh it was the representatives from the Gomez

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and Sullivan, excuse me, Sullivan and Gomez engineering group uh fish wildlife representative as well as the deer division of ecological restoration. Um we met to discuss uh the findings of

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from the survey and uh how they're wrapping up the report which should be out in a couple weeks. Um know th the those findings include the segmentation report and a a kind of a graphical look

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at what the river will look like after um if the dam was removed. um yeah it showed it will show the gradation. So once that report um is made available they'll have uh images

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and explain it much better than I can but there's any questions I can try and feel and explain them. So see I did send out a enforcement letter

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to 61 Edwards for trash and debris removal. Um, and now that it was wasn't in time to inform them to give them a time enough time to get them on the agenda, but we can do so for the next meeting.

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>> Did you send that out? Registered letter. He's got a signed return. >> Yeah. So, I sent it out priority mail, >> which is probably the best way to do it because he never signed for it before. That's why we should ask.

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>> Um the certified mail doesn't usually a lot of times it can be bounced back. People know that if they just >> don't answer the door or don't sign it, it gets returned >> on your email at least

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>> it shows getting to the >> address and staying there. >> Okay. >> But it may may require um hand delivery. Did um board of health get involved in this at all?

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>> Um yes, they they that was going to be on their agenda for this coming meeting, I believe. Um yep, two seconds. I can look at >> what would the board of house involvement in this be?

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>> It's a it's a sanitary function. >> Yeah. But should there be a joint meeting because there's wetlands involved? >> Uh there can be >> I think the two situations are kind of >> really

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>> there's not huge amounts of material that are creating infestations or anything. It's a >> we don't know that. >> Yeah. All right. Maybe we should, you know, >> cuz he he's got animals. You don't know what >> he does have the ducks. All right. All

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right. I'm okay with it if they Kyle was brought in on it. If it can help. That's all. If it can help. >> So downside, >> right? >> Maybe it would be helpful.

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>> Okay. arranges. >> I think they they'll I'm I'm hopefully gain more traction than we have in the past um without having to um intervene like we did, but >> we did.

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>> I assume we probably have a folder on that one. >> Yeah. >> Okay. that we probably if you want a meeting a joint meeting um probably going to have to either attend one of their meetings or they'll have to attend ours. Do you

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prefer one or the other? >> No. As long as we post an agenda, we cover the bases to have a quorum. >> Yeah. >> All right. And well, while I was there, I looked at Route 119, the covert going

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under there, and they um Mass Dot just recently was able to clear that um covert out. >> They cleared the blockage, >> huh? >> They cleared the blockage. >> Blockage. Yeah. >> Probably did push it out of the way, but

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>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can you can see where it basically just pushed it up in that way. Looks like a beaver dam, but um but anyway, uh the water is flowing through there again. Um that

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cover is in rough shape. I have pictures of it and the head wall is cracked and the water just about fills the the space. So >> So there's actually steel plates on the inlet side already. Oh,

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>> would they do that the year before? >> No, they did that a couple years ago. >> Two years ago. >> Might have been longer now. >> You knew the granite. >> Um, yes, it was band-aid, >> right? >> Yeah. And I I spoke to the last team. I don't know her title, but um she said

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that the planning for it is still quite a bit down the road. >> Yeah. You said they're only at 25% >> of >> of the design process >> to be able to pull the trigger and move forward with it. >> Yeah. >> So that would equate to

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>> oh 6 month time. >> Not a problem. >> I don't have a better answer. >> Don't take that. >> Uh let's see. And just recently, um, well, I, uh,

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received a call from the contractor for the permit, the OC on 80 Main Street, which is the Hudson Historical Society's property. They are starting to do the septic tanks there, but they want to move them to the back of the property.

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We discussed it today and um the changes are significant enough so that it's going to mean that they need to amend the AOC >> that was 80 80 Main Street. >> Yeah. The church that was and that was

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um >> Yeah. No. And that was um Yeah. We talked to Jock about that last meeting. Yep. Yeah. Um >> because where the wheat field was going

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to be placed now it's going to be different and it would have a different um impact. >> Yeah. But it's a change to that to the private. So whatever it is, it needs to be amended.

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>> Yep. They are aware. >> Good. >> They'll have that amendment for the next meeting. >> Uh >> they'll have that for the next meeting. I mean, I hope so. >> Okay. >> Yes.

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>> Put that in as a hope. So, okay. >> Hope for a lot of things. James hope. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No. No. I put it as hope. So, >> I was hoping our tonight's agenda was

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going to go. Never mind. won't go any further. That's all I have for agents report. >> Um, can you pull up that email you got from Frank today? >> Yeah, sure. >> I'm going to go right into that. Um, and I was hoping you could read it.

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>> Okay. uh 2.1 continuation of notice of intent no MOI BP 308-730 TWWB 2026-006 Z work line road assessor map 38 parcel

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14 lot one applicant Kevin Smith proposed project is for the installation of a new subject system associated grading within a 200T riverfront area um amendment of filing to include rebuilding cabin access road creating a

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hayfield in Palm approximately 7:15 p.m. Um Kobe received an update on that. Um we're going to make the motion to continue after Kobe reads the email if you don't mind just into record. And this email was from Frank.

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>> Yes. >> From DNR. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. I received this today from Craig Parkland who is representing DNR and um historical society.

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>> No, hold on. >> No, >> this isn't for that one. I know it's in that email, >> which just pause and get to that one. >> Okay, >> just for the Kevin. >> Okay, go ahead.

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>> A R L I. All right. So, um, representing DNR and the applicant, >> Kevin Smith, uh, in regards to Brooklyn, DP number 3080730.

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Um, Frank states, I need to request continuation for 0 Brookline Road, DP number 3080730. for zero Brookline Road. We are in the process of building the plans and anticipate filing early next week.

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>> Thank you, Frank. >> Any any more response from D? >> No, not until they resmit or submit the amendment here. >> Is that it?

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have redacted everything about 72 million. >> We're going to go to that. >> Um, so I make a motion to continue um PEP number 308-0730 TWWB 2022-006R

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May 27th meeting. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Roll call vote starting with Mike. >> Mike said yes. >> James Gates. Yes. James D. Yes. >> The Lord. Yes. >> May 27th. >> Yes. Hope that's right. >> Has Frank been doing all the engineering

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or was Jack? >> Uh Jack was >> Jack did the delineation. >> I don't know which part. They all share responsibility. >> Okay. I just because that's what I meant on site. >> Yes. Right. >> Um Jack

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Okay. Okay. Moving into 3.1. Uh Town Historic Society uh 72 Main Street and adjacent properties. Uh discuss the cutting of trees and vegetation within the 200 foot

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uh riverfront and 100 foot wetland buffers, possible remediation plans and development and the consequences of an after the fact filing. There will be no public comment at this time. Um Kobe has a second part to that email. Wouldn't mind reading it director, please?

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>> Sure. Again, this is Franklin Bartland representing as a Historic Society and um uh I need to request continuation for 72 Main Street. Um for 72 Main Street, I

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am working on updated restoration plans. I have reached out to arborist. I have not received responses and I do not do not want to submit a revised restoration plan without feedback from intervers. I also have reached out to H&M and will be

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receiving a license from them to provide the restoration. Thank you Frank. >> Yes. >> Did you have something? >> No. Okay. at this point. >> Are you sure? >> I'm sure.

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>> Okay. Um, all right. So, with that, um, let's continue. Someone make someone >> Oh, is that something to add, but I'm thinking maybe

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I'll do it next week. >> Okay. >> You can add it now. >> Okay. Well, I've been approached by concerned residents about this whole thing about the uh trees and someone sent me

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like the laws and stuff and I just there's more to it than what I thought. Someone quoted case law and all this stuff and I'm just so far what I'm hearing is that they're

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going to have double the the filing fee and then that they they have like because it's a nonprofit that they do they have paid 75%. Is that my understanding of that? >> Yep. >> Okay. And they're going to be doing replanting and other stuff but someone

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actually sent me stuff about fines and stuff. >> So, >> okay. >> I I'm a little concerned about that. Like are we supposed to be fighting people um finding about this whole thing? Uh,

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I I have to go back and look at um past meetings because fines are they're they're complicated. >> Um, but read what you have. You obviously have something to >> Well, it's a long under mass law conservation commissions

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have authority to enforce against tree cutting in the 100 foot zone. Is this like it um it goes on about the the regulations and stuff? Love versus uh conservation commission of Dennis 1979. This is one of the foundational wetland cases in Massachusetts. It's it goes on

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and like okay but we can't just give the cliff notes. We have to if if it's something that is pertinent to what we're discussing and you want to read into it or read it into record, read it into record. We could do it next time if you want to. >> Well, I don't I'm going to think I'm

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going to have to um get to the to the fine part. I think I'm going have to go back into it because this is really long. Um >> Oh, yeah. No, all those cases are long. Yeah. >> But there's also other parts and it's all in how you interpret the law. So,

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>> they hire someone to interpret the law on this and >> um you know, >> there's a lot to this. It wasn't a clear cutting. It was a but we're we're not our best course of action is to wait for

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in my opinion the engineer but if you want to discuss it you got to read it. I can't >> right you know I'm thinking I'm going to like I said I think I might want to wait to to pour through this and maybe I can send this to to um Kobe and you can take a look at it and probably summarize it

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better than I can. Okay. >> If that's okay with you. Certainly. >> Okay. Okay. So, >> hold on. I'm trying I'm trying to understand this because someone sent it to you. >> Yes.

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>> He has plenty of He has so much stuff to do that he doesn't even have time to do some of some important things. >> Okay. Well, I'll >> print it out. Don't try to read it from your phone because it's hard. >> It is hard. It is. Um, >> is that okay if I print that out and

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give you guys all a copy next week? >> Of course. That's how I Yes, please. Uh, >> you know, because it's just easier for us to follow along. >> That way, I don't have to read it all out. Like I said, it's really long and involved and you guys can have >> it needs to be read into record. It

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needs to be read as an if you're using as a case example in my opinion. >> Okay. Well, >> um, >> still learning my way here. So, I'm print out print out the stuff and >> um >> I just got this um just like a couple

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hours ago >> and I haven't had a chance to even think about printing anything out anyway even if I thought about it. >> Right. >> So, um yeah. So, yeah, I'll be happy to put that out and discuss next time. >> And it really sounds like it's going to

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be helpful to this. I think it's a positive thing. But if if you're receiving information like this from people, why aren't they here joining us as a >> Are you being sarcastic? Are you being serious? >> He's probably being serious, but I'm being more serious. >> I'm in a meeting. I'm serious. That that

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is >> Yeah. >> information. >> Oh, okay. I thought you were Okay. I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure. >> Okay. >> Well, you were upset earlier. I wasn't sure. >> No, no, we won't do that again. That's fine. I guess I'll mute. But I think it's maybe if you summarize

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it begin with a summary and I don't know how long it is but >> well I'll give you guys all copy >> 20 pages if it's a case >> really. Yeah. >> Back in 79 it was >> Yeah. >> I don't know if someone summarized it themselves. I I just don't know. But I

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I'd like I just like you guys to look at it and something I can learn from it then that'll be great, you know. But >> it might be pertinent. So yeah. >> Okay. But We need to base our decisions on facts, not

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>> I get text messages from a lot of people that are concerned. You look at it, you evaluate it. It's a you somewhat triage it. Is it pertinent? Is it going to be helpful? Where does this take us for information? Is it worthy to present? You got to

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evaluate it, break it down, and see where it goes. Well, well, that's why your experience would be invaluable to to to help read through that because I'm not experienced. >> Well, you got to just read through it. You got to read through the entire thing. You

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can't read just read the first five pages and say, "This is this pertains to this." Because if you get to the end and say, "Wait, this doesn't pertain to it." I've done that before with >> Really? >> You say, "Yeah, you get to the end, it's like, oh, okay." You you got to look at

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what level certain things are is to what the violation here at 72 Main Street, >> but we're also not a court. We're conservation commission. We need to >> That's why you do a triage. You kind of look at it. You need to cipher.

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>> Is it worth bringing forward? Is it just of a good point of reference for me because it pertains to something that's like this that's up and coming in the meeting. Some of those things that you probably were sent are of a much much

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larger scope other than the minimal amount of trees that had been removed down at the church in the historical society. But and I agree with Jimmy, if people are sending a message, they're more than

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welcome to come into into the media and and bring forth that information. I agree. >> And if they are truly a concerned person, >> they would come in. >> You would hope so. But >> you would hope so. You know what I'm saying? In the real world, you would

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hope they would want to enlighten us. And it's not that we are not. But doesn't it hold a little more validation in your opinion, Joy? >> Yeah. >> Um

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>> Oh, I get what you're saying. It's a concern to me on that um you know we we have to take outside the outside noise and mute

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it and focus on what the law is, focus on the facts, >> right? >> Um make a decision based on public comment. our observations which they will file there will be a public comment

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period when we have a hearing but >> well I guess that's why so maybe I should have saved it the next cuz it was too long >> um you want to make a motion >> sure there are no numbers here >> it's fine

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>> so okay I make a motion to continue the hearing of >> not hearing or not in the hearing >> the discussion Yes. >> The discussion uh for the towns and historical society of the cutting of the trees and vegetation within 200 foot

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riverfront and 100 foot wetland buffer. Possible remediation plans in development and consequences of an after the fact by >> continue to when >> continue to May 27th.

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>> May 27th. >> Is there a second? Second >> roll call vote starting with Mike. Mike said yes. >> James Gates yes. >> James Doyan yes. >> Sand Lord yes 3.2 um volunteer response form submitt

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from Abigail Farley. Abigail. Um, so I know we said we wanted you to come to a a meeting and watch it and tonight's kind of in a bridge version of what a typical meeting is. And um,

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>> I know we're we're just cruising right along. >> Yeah. Should we slow go slower? No. >> Well, I mean, it's going to be done before 8. Then I didn't have anything to do after that. Never mind. It's always about you. Okay.

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Got to break it up a little bit. We're getting >> So, we can um open up. I'm not going to >> Well, yeah. We had a nice discussion last time. seem like you want to do something for the with the community,

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for the community, and you have an interest in the outdoors, and it seemed like logical place for you to land and accomplish those goals. Um, question, how many seats are open going

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to be open? Oh, okay. Did we figure out which one seat you wanted you were applying for? Was it? >> I don't believe so. >> What are the available ones?

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>> Again, >> I think there's the 2026 which ends in June, >> right? >> 2026. >> Available. Yeah. >> For two months. >> Yeah, that's what's >> that's the only thing that was

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>> No. And then there's a 27 youth up. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But I can get it off the agenda. >> Doesn't make sense. >> Let me just open up. >> Yeah. So, you kind of have to go through the process again. >> Again.

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>> Um or Yeah. And it's just a matter of >> But if that's the case, maybe it would be better for you to idle for a little bit until June. >> Oh, >> come to meetings and sidewalk, see what it's about. I don't know. Make a suggestion. >> What's that?

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>> Not justify. >> I mean, that may be a good idea. I haven't actually uh been on a sidewalk yet. I just got confirmed on to the uh zoning board of appeals. So maybe wait till Jim get a little

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>> You're going to have to resubmit. >> I think you're right. >> What? >> My two cents here. >> Ready for what? >> To be recommended or not? Uh sorry. So it's 26. >> Hey, you have a poll. That's the biggest criteria for us.

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>> So 2026 >> and 2027. Anybody look at me? >> So you confirmed on the zoning board zoning board appeals. Yeah. >> Well, congratulations. >> Thank you.

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>> We also have Brian Pinkerton. Which one here was the volunteer response form? Which did you care what which one you were or did you have an interest? >> Probably not. It didn't really state on the form which one to pick or if it was

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>> not that it matters. Uh so are we interviewing two candidates? >> Yeah, but we have two positions. >> Mhm. >> A slight chance of having a whole board. I I could sounded like you think it might be a good idea to just wait for

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the 26 a couple of months >> or maybe just take the 26 now see how >> you can take 27 doesn't matter we don't want to pressure you >> maybe take the 26 now see how I do for it >> okay

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>> I mean anybody I can explain to you the basics of a sitewalk and there's you know a lot of little pieces to it want to explain the process at the end of a term what happens >> um I'm looking at Kathy because I know she

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can do it way better than me. It's a pretty simple process. >> So at the end of June 2026 the there will be a vacancy if you take that seat. So you just have to let them know

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kind of a selection. Okay. is basically what it is. And >> you pretty much go through the same thing minus this. >> Yeah. You don't I don't know. But I assume you wouldn't reinter. >> No. Right. We wouldn't uh we would

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>> just add it to the last agenda. >> Yes. So you just have to make sure they know that you're still interested want to continue on. And it's a threeyear term I believe at that point. Correct. >> Yeah. I don't know. I think we have a one-year term that floats around. I

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don't know who has it though. >> Which one was that? >> Our agenda is not up to date with our in the terms. >> Yeah, the cler and I figured that out a couple weeks ago and I forgot which term it was. So, I'll have to look that up.

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>> Where do we stand on this? Oh, no. >> Okay. So if Abigail decides to go for the month or two, then we would vote recommendation and then it would go to the select. >> Okay.

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>> Which is the nominating >> the appointing of appointing. >> So the issue was whether it's the 26 or 27. >> It's not an issue. It's just a discussion. >> Okay. Let's go with the 26. >> Okay. All right.

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>> Candidatively we're going to go for >> So >> for the two month. >> Yeah. >> All right. Is there all right >> a couple? Did you have something to add? >> Oh, no. No. >> I just making sure. >> Oh, no. Thank you. No, no. I I think

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it's a great idea. >> You want to test the waters and >> and then uh you find out it's you then you continue on for the next term. All right. Um, so I I I make motion to recommend

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appointment um for Abigail Farley um for the term ending 20 June 30th, 2026. >> Second roll call. >> Yes. >> James Gates, yes.

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>> James, yes. >> Sandra Lord, yes. Abigail, just a quick question. >> You'll have to send that. >> Where did you get initially interested in conservation? Is that something that it's always been something that you've had?

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>> It so it actually started with middle school when I want when I kind of wanted to become a marine biologist and I've always kind of had an interest since then. >> Right. >> I remember that. >> Yes. It was all thanks to the show River Monsters.

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What? >> So, there was a show on um Animal Planet called River Monsters. At first, I was scared of it. Then, I really started to get into it. I'm like, I'm going to be a marine biologist. >> That didn't happen. >> Some kind of school project or something you guys did, you and Angela, and a

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bunch of projects. I remember I had a good memory for all the projects. You guys did a great job. >> All right. Yeah. So, you originally kind of introduced her to coming forward into conservation. >> No, no, no. I haven't seen Abigail in a long long time. Angela went to school at

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Kemp. Uh Abigail um back in the day in middle school and um up to high school and um yeah, that's it. >> Now, did is there anything that was in Middle Sex that pushed you in that direction, too? >> Um

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not necessarily. I mean, I took the environmental science class. The teacher wasn't that great. Uh they're gone, which is nice. But um yeah, it it was mostly just my own interest. >> That's it. Love N's classroom.

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>> It was cancelled by the time we got there. >> Oh, was it? >> Yeah. They changed it to the ecology school, which was really fun. I remember when we went to Maine in sixth grade. That was fun. But yeah, I never got to go to nature's classroom and have Mr. Patano yell at us.

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>> My my Yeah, my other team had nature's classroom. That's right. >> Yeah, James Patrick did too. >> Um, all right. Great. Kobe will send that to the select board. >> We going to swing over to Brian, chat with him, see what is >> All right. >> Thank you very much.

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>> Brian is going to come up and >> what is it? Veggie. >> Hey Brian, how you doing? >> Not much. Um, you're interested in joining the commission and we'll make you sit through this a little bit of this

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meeting, probably the next meeting and do what we just did with Abigail. >> Okay. Um, yeah. Um, I just want to try getting involved with the town a little bit and I don't want to get involved in

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the the big voting stuff and stuff that's way above my head. I just want to start somewhere where I can learn and see how the process of things work and how everything gets filed and etc and how we look at things and stuff of that

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nature. Um, open it up to >> Well, as I said, every time we interview someone, one of my favorite parts is the uh sitewalks. >> Mhm. because every situation is

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different. Uh they're all unique, but then you begin to assimilate and internalize how to look at new situations in terms of how do we protect the veterans? And I just find the whole thing a very fun process.

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Is the sounds like you're might be interested in sort of the legal ease and who you file and who has to be notified and all that. Um, but I'll be honest with you, that's not one of my strengths. >> We don't necessarily do it either,

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>> but it's uh for some people that's that's what they love. So, uh, but I like the natural history part of it outside trying to protect the precious wetlands that are diminishing, doing what we can.

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Sound like a natural outdoors kind of guy. That's the walk a couple of times. Sandra, Jimmy, questions. >> I'm sorry. I was just thinking about something that associated with wetlands that I need to get on the next agenda.

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>> Okay. >> Uh >> I just I'm sorry. Just >> No, no, >> I don't mean to >> because I have the same problem. Just what is it? So that Kobe knows. >> Well, I I was talking to Kobe about it. Some kind of mass ready act. They want to basically

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um it's to do with the housing. >> Um >> they want to streamline permitting proc the process >> basically. They want us to get rid of rid of our but the thing is um was you must have gotten the email. >> No, they not get rid of it. It's it's streamlined.

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>> Well, sounds like they might get defunct if this Mass Act ready completely goes through the way it's written. and uh Dorothy, I can't remember her last name off hand without looking at the email, but uh she was explaining how things would be affected and who you need to contact to um to get that out of the

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Mass Ready Act and I would like to discuss that the next meeting. I don't know when that's going to like go before the legislature or anything. That's the one thing I was trying to find. I haven't >> those sorts of things come up fast. >> Yeah. >> So, okay, Kobe, if you can add that to

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the next agenda at least. And they're really >> under work session >> really hard to attach wings to to get it to fly. >> Okay. >> Yeah, it was was very concerning to me when I read that. >> Um, so next time we're going to items

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for discussion at next meeting, but I understand that I had in my head. >> Okay. >> And that'll be under what? >> Work session. >> Okay. For next meeting. >> Okay. We're sorry. That's our EDP scattered rain.

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>> We digress. But there are plenty of opportunities to learn. There's the Mass Association of Conservation Commission, a nonprofit, and they have all kinds of workshops. Uh, and I should attend more of them, but the few that I've gone to,

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you know, initially there's a very steep but relatively short learning curve, and you pick up the basics pretty pretty quickly. And then after that, you're still adding to your knowledge, but at least you have a basic understanding pretty quickly what's going on. Yeah.

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Have you had any experience with conservation commissioners before? >> Not not being on a commission or anything. >> So, is this the first one the first board basically that you're interested? >> Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. Um,

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I just it's going to be a learning experience, you know. It's just going to be um I do want to get involved, but I'm going to try and learn as fast as I can how things work. What are we looking for

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out there? I know I sounded a little legal beagle earlier, but I know that's all part of the process. It's not just one thing, >> right? you know, you go for the walks, you have to know what you're looking for. Um,

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I'm sure there's things out there that will give you signs of what this is, what that is, you know. Uh, I don't know till I'm talking. So, >> you know, it's pretty much where I'm at. >> I've only bought two two sidewalks

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myself. >> The uh >> still in the works. So there the resources are available for for education. Um and they have an ample amount of classes that are offered. Um some of them are in person, a lot of

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them are in the evenings over Zoom. Um and it you can work your way to certification um which isn't required but um encouraged to you know as much as possible. It's a real helpful

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tool in the basic sense of it, but you know as well as I do, Mike, in those classes, they get they do get in involved in specifics. >> But the MACC classes are your best introduction to get acclimated to really

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a majority of everything we discuss. It'll go through everything, soils, plant life, on and on the coast. >> Yeah. and it grow. Um, but and Sandra, you've been on what, 6 months? >> Something like that.

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>> It took Mike probably a better part of a year before you were, I'd say, confident to um, speak at length in our meeting. >> Am I there yet? >> No. Well, you are. You found your niche. >> Just kidding. You know. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Initially you just sit and you listen and you absorb and then gradually you think you have something to contribute and the next thing you know you're contributing but it takes a while. Yeah. >> It is it's not it's not going to grab it

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in a day or one class >> takes quite a while. >> You got to ask questions. Um, not cannot use, but you you've asked questions and no matter what, if you don't understand it or if you would need clarification, you got to ask. >> Don't

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>> I may feel stupid sometimes. I have. I I'll ask or I'll point something out. I think I need to know and I just >> Right. >> You know, if if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I just I'm learning. >> Have you done any of the webinars or >> No, I got to talk to Colobby because I tried to sign up and I and I haven't

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pursued it any further. I got to actually sit down with Colby and try to sign up because I'm having trouble. >> Um, so yeah, it's you're not going to know everything day one. And I I continuously read the Wetlands

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Protection Act when stuff comes up and I have to refresh because you read it one day and then read it another day in the same session, but you might expect differently or you might interpret it differently. What were the books that were ordered? Were there some books that were ordered?

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>> MCC. >> I don't think they're not available in book form anymore. >> Oh, they're just digital. >> Okay. >> They're not making any of the MACC books available. >> Do you have any Do you have the um one in the office that is outdated, but still

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>> because I do better >> worthy of her to go through and get 10 years old. >> Oh, that's a little bit too old, isn't it? No chang there hasn't been major changes since 2014. >> There's been right there's been a few changes not big ones. >> I'd be willing to book would still be

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good to have or I'll bring in my over out being >> I understand. Yeah. And I understand what you're saying having a physical copy. >> It's easier for me. >> It's much easier cuz it's a binder and you can go through each block will be the same block that they present to you

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at the classes you go to. So if you go to the class on soils, you go to the class on invasive species, wetland, plant life, >> right? >> You know, different issues with silt wash out and stuff like that,

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waterways, WP, you know, they give you the basic introduction, which is ideal even even for you, Abigail. These books are key just to acclimate, get a general idea what's going on. They're available online for you know to view.

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>> Yeah. >> Also, so Brian I think if you join us at our next meeting to just sit through it and make sure that um you know you still want to do this. You know we meet the second and fourth Wednesday of every

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month at 7 o'clock. Um you know very rare that we um cancel meeting. Oh man, we have it once. >> Once in a while you have an extra meeting thrown in there somewhere. Very rarely though, right?

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So you have questions for second and fourth. What is that? What's the date on that? >> So the next one for this month is the 27th. >> See from the 20 it'll be 14 days from there. >> Well, there are times where it's 21

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days. >> Yeah. And those are nice. >> But you know, it would be nice just to come to to watch an engineer with the maps presenting it all and seeing that back and forth discussion.

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>> And once again, we have to say, Mike, you you are a map guy. You you've taken to that so well. >> Where are my colored lines? Where's my stockpile location here? Yeah, there was one really impressive map. I

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can remember um so many meetings ago and it was like so detailed and stuff. It was so awesome to look at him like you remember that one. That was awesome. >> That one was >> Yeah. >> Was that >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> That was an interesting meeting Monday. >> So, >> Mr. Chairman. >> Yes. um Shiffron and I just forformational purposes the um select board are meeting next Tuesday the 19th.

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>> So if you make any recommendations that Colby can send down to Sabrina tonight after your voting we can uh make sure that we take that up next Tuesday. >> Great. We Yeah, Colby is going to send over the um recommendation for

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appointment to for Abigail. So >> Brian's coming next week, next meeting. >> Next meeting. >> Yeah. >> So, >> okay. >> Keep it all I try to keep it all the same on one last thing I want to add. The thing that we're going to talk about next. Um,

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>> can we can we can you write it down so we can talk about it? >> Okay. >> No, just it's from the NACC. It was me from the NAC. >> That's all I write it down so you can bring it up. >> Okay. >> It's gonna be put on the agenda though, right? >> Right. So at the when I get to items for

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discussion at the next meeting, you can raise your hand and say, >> "Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. Thanks. >> Thanks, Brian. >> Thank you." >> Um 3.4 for um this should actually read reorganization

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of conservation commission. >> Yeah. Yeah, I see that. >> Um but I'm going to make a motion that we uh continue that uh till the first meeting in June

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and hopes that Brian comes back and we can make a recommendation. Then we quite possibly could have a full commission by then. >> So we're going to what? >> Right. We're going to shout the officers around. >> We're supposed to do it annually. It's been a while.

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>> It's been right. I comfortable with not having to but we got to >> you did that. >> Yes. So I make make a motion to um not continue this but uh schedule 3.4 for to >> Junes.

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>> Uh June >> June 10th. >> 10th. >> Yes. >> Is there a second? >> Oh, second. >> I know. I didn't thought it was my turn, bro. >> I know. My mind wandered because June 10th is the day after my birthday and I

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was thinking >> that's a good system of remembering things right >> second roll call vote starting with >> Mike yes >> James Gates yes >> James Doran yes >> Sandra Lord yes >> 3.5 All right. 3.5

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uh standard operating procedure development um for trail creation and maintenance on Hong Kong properties. >> Yeah, I put that that was me putting

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this on there. I assume I assume that >> um do you have a talk? Yeah. How did this came up? Probably because of the trails group and >> keep going. >> No. Yes. >> Do you have an example or a template you want to use? >> Uh I don't because I wanted to get

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everyone's input. This is uh not meant to be done entirely tonight. uh but start thinking about what it uh would look like a standard operating procedures for maintenance and creation of trails because of recent events with

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the towns and trail alliance coming forward and saying that they want to create new trails. they should have a guidance about um how to make them and they they're actually very knowledgeable and they have I'm sure resources

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available that they could provide which I can get but I put a folder together real real quick folder with some guidelines from other organizations including uh National Park Service um DCR um

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>> AMC would be good too mountain club They do a lot of classes on trail creation. >> Yeah. And Cindy King provided a website too for um trails that can provide uh ADA

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accessibility um where where possible. Um there's also mass auto bond that has a guide. >> Yeah. Um >> so being conservation commission we also

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have to think about um you know restricting from some areas that are more environmentally sensitive habitat um species that be protecting.

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Um yeah, so I I would say that um the next meeting or the one after we can come together with a bunch of ideas and and um outline what what it look like. So I I can and I can write up

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what would be your in hope that makes sense. >> I like using other you know someone else's template. >> Absolutely. Yeah. if if you have if you find any of those resources that they have already done it. Yeah.

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You don't have to recreate the wheels. >> So, could you print off for us, you know, some of the examples that you find valuable? I don't I don't expect you to print every page because >> Yeah. And I put in the shares folder.

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There's some stuff um for you to go through at your leisure. But if I find something that's really >> I only say that because I know not all of us are techsavvy. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. That's that's true. Yes. I I'll do

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that. I'll put >> very print folder >> for those. >> Well digital. >> Yeah. Computers don't mix. It's fine. It's not a big deal. We'll accommodate it.

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>> Thank you. Thanks for the reminder. >> No, I'll do that. >> Um, all right. So, you want to do next meeting or do you want to do first meeting of June? Next meeting

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>> probably has a lot. Um, >> doesn't have to be done next. It doesn't have to be completed next time, but maybe we can outline the ideas and then I can merge. >> Yeah, I think that's a great idea.

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>> So, we'll discuss this again at our May 27th meeting. Um, and we can come up with an outline of, you know, maybe five main topics that need to be discussed. And that's just an example. We may come up with six. We

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might come up with three. We may not come up with eight. All right. 3.6 National River Wild and Scenics uh stewardship council land grant. In the past the la last two years we've uh been

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awarded grants uh where we have surveyed and um had plans of land uh drawn up and recorded with the registry of deeds. Um and >> through the grant money we got through

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it. Yes. >> West meadow and >> we've done West Meadow. We've done >> drive. We did >> um >> Peter J drive common land or open space and then there was Lunberg Road.

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>> Um so I >> How big was Lunberg Road again? >> I don't know. >> That was It wasn't that Lunberg Road wasn't that big of a plot, was it? >> No, it's four plots together to make up 11 acres, I believe.

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>> Okay. Yeah, >> I know. Bases of course that would have >> Yes. The op. >> Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Am I saying that right? Bases. >> Okay.

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>> Call the Opal. Keep it simple. Keep it simple. >> Probably get us in trouble. But um so I asked Kobe to come up with three or four different parcels that we could decide from um that would be significant um to

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commission to make sure we have surveyed and you have >> Can I share? >> Can we have screen sharing? You >> should be able to share now. >> Thank you. >> Oh yeah. Okay. So, this is the list of properties

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that are under our car and custody of the conservation commission. And you'll see some of them do need work still, but um there are ones on here that we have not surveyed

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yet, including >> Can you scroll over to the left? Is there an acreage associated with these? >> I believe it's >> Go to the lower right. Yeah, there you go. There you go. >> Okay. Y >> go back.

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>> Okay. Yes, thank you. >> Yo, >> I picked out >> and I'll show these on mass map on where they aren't >> familiarize. >> That would be a nice list to have. I I

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don't even have that one. >> Now, meeting househill doesn't actually fall under our purview. They're private, right? What >> isn't meeting house hill? >> No, that's >> no that's meeting house park. Yeah, >> under oper.

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>> Yes. >> So the one that pulled the trigger on the >> on the logging >> that was say chapter 40 uh subsection 8 C or article 97 that's in um most definitely in conservation commission.

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says open space, that doesn't mean that it's completely protected. It can still be. Um, >> so um the 25.6 6 acres on Dudley Road that did get I believe that was transferred to our care. So I think some of this

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needs to be updated. We should have another column that says >> no I've submitted it to the sewing board before that and they have not done it yet. So I have to >> So you're getting ready to update it. Well, hold on. This is a problem because

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this happened during the Nelson's um time because that was being pursued. >> It was. Yes. And >> And >> I think I think other things have just taken priority. I think it's going to kick to the

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>> So the wheels fell off of it because they didn't stay after it. >> I believe so. But not your fault. Not >> I'm not I'm just figure out where it went wrong. Can we retrieve We will have to >> right. >> So, >> okay,

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>> send in the >> Sorry, Colobe to digress. That was my fault. >> So, first one here, uh, that I picked out is highlighted up there. It's off of South Harbor Road, uh, parcel ID 336.

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It's only 2 and a half acres, but it's right on the harbor. Um, and, um, it's actually a very nice property. It could serve more of a purpose. Um, and you know, I'll just bring it up on the map.

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>> What about So, was it on salt rope? It would have to be on salt. >> Yeah. Bring it up. Ding, ding, ding, ding. So, it is this one here that says conservation area. That's us. And you'll

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see it's largely wetland in here. Largely bordering vegetative wetland. >> Yeah. And with the access here between the two houses. Very nice property. So >> really >> Oh yeah. >> So >> in my opinion, but I like weapons. So

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>> So that's two houses down >> from this house. >> Mhm. So two, right? Boom. Boom. Then you have that >> the White House right on the corner. Yeah. >> And then there's another one. I think it's yellow. Got a barn in the back. And

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then there's one right after it that has a >> donkey. And we just have that one little sliver of access to come up through. >> Yes. >> Nice. I mean, that's which that's not a that's not 200 deep there, but that is

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walking access for people to >> Yeah. Oh, Mike, Sandra, thoughts on >> I want to hear about the rest, but I think this is a easy one. >> That sounds real promising. You know,

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>> so the way the yards are and the foliage, is it clear that >> No, >> people could walk up through that. >> No. >> No. >> That's why I said it might be good to do. >> Yeah. >> Meaning it is it's it's accessible. We

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have accessibility to it. >> Is there's a not even there's >> of land. It's not needed. It's part of the property. >> Right. >> Okay. >> Someone had some foresight.

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Next one is >> what was the Hold on. Um 33 36. Okay. Keep going. That's 2 almost 3 acres. >> Mike, uh Kobe, actually, while you were

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right there off Ponderosa, there's 57.27 acres. >> Going below where you're Yeah. Right there. >> Oh, okay. >> Sure. >> Yeah. This is an interesting one. Bring it up. I think this is like a one

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that has lots of ribbons to it. >> Lots of what? Well, that's the way it I'll just show it to you. >> Did you catch the number again? >> Nope. >> Oh, >> no. Uh, that Well, that's the acreage.

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The the number is 53D90- >> So it's a Timberly it's a Timberly Park >> parcel >> nonbuildable. Only reason why they would have left 57 acres there. >> Believe it's this one.

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>> Yep. >> 990. Yeah. I say ribbons just I don't know doesn't So it does this entire here area um is connected by a little strip behind these houses.

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>> Nice. >> And I'll show you another one right here. >> Another little strip. But in between all those little areas is this large area that protects Witchbrook.

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>> It actually I believe this comes out to Warren Road too. Yeah, it does. Through the little ribbon of land here >> and up to the brook there. >> So that's which Brook just Okay. Going back. >> That's Trob Brook right there.

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>> Right. Right. And that might be a good one because that might be a great nightmare. But good it would be good to just see where the properties are at. Yeah, because we just did the one off of

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Alyssa Drive. >> What? >> Survey um plan of land. See up on the screen. >> Yeah. >> Uh where you going? I don't know. Right there.

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>> I'm pointing to a screen you can't see. >> Right here. Deer run conservation area is what it's called. >> Dear Run. >> Okay. >> And that's what's the total acreage on that again? >> 17, I believe. >> What is it, Kobe? >> 17, I think.

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>> Wow. >> Yep. 17 and change. There's a nice little circuit trail in there, too. >> There is a trail already in there. Oh, >> yeah. >> Done. Who did the trail work in that years ago? Who knows? >> I could tell you. It's there's a couple

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old roads in there. >> Old car roads where old connectors from there. >> How's the How are the trees? >> Uh, yeah, it's forest. several age ages of trees. I'm not saying old growth or anything, but

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there's couple ages of of trees in there. >> We can talk about that. >> We Yeah, we are we going to >> circle back around to getting an overview of all the potential logging that could be done. >> I think in July we can >> July.

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>> Yeah, July. So then we can start >> one. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Which one? >> The larger one. >> The 57 something odd acres. >> Yeah. that has a bunch of little fingers on it. >> And you know what? >> The dog legs. >> While we're here, I want to show you another one that no one ever thinks about.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. Make it a surprise. >> It's so is all temperly, but there's this one here. This whatever shape that is concentration. You'll notice there's no outlet to any of the uh

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propertie >> to the road it >> but you know if you look at it from like bird eyes view um you know it it's right in the middle of a highly densely populated

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area and with a little work from uh trying to get some access there through conservation comm um restrictions. It could provide quite a recreational area for that. >> And what's the acreage on that one again?

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>> Two and a half or something. >> Not big, but two. >> Two acres. 2.1. >> It makes you want to >> Does that hold the worth for us to sit on that or would be worth it to offer something like that to the abutters to

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put something into our coffers? >> You can't >> we what >> you cannot >> we cannot because >> it's under article 97. >> Oh. And the right of way, so you know, is through these two properties up here.

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And I'm not saying anyone should go and just go walking in. >> No, please. >> Because that requires permission still and um to get to um inform the people that you

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need to access. So, and that would be um you know that obviously means it's not really publicly accessible. >> So, even to us we're in a kind of a zero accessibility to it. >> We don't even have a per se utility easement for it.

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>> There's drainage easements into it. Well, I'm just saying wouldn't it be >> there are >> even if it if it's landlocked, wouldn't we ask for a utility easement? Because we need accessibility to go in there and maintenance the property.

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>> We have accessibility through the right of way. It's >> through right of way where >> properties or it's in the deed. >> In the deed. So there is verbage. >> Yeah. Do

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>> you have a So I suggest >> maybe you have to have permission and probably I don't know any others that you thought would be interesting kind of >> how many are we shooting for here? >> I told them come up with like four. We could pick and choose but I think the

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first two were pretty good. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Did you have another one that stuck out to you? >> Yes. Another one that's another oddly shaped one and I don't know the

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history entirely but being as it is a land grant this one is close to the river and does represent some conservation body to the river itself. It's this one here on Main Street which

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wraps around all these buildings here. >> Kind of like those >> picture where that is >> just down the road. >> It's right by Brian's house. >> So 350 is Ye Village. Oh >> so in other words that that

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>> was given to conservation group Jack that passed away >> the guy if you look at my house to the left of it house there used to be a 10 acre lot that got divided and he put a board he gave to the town so that nothing could ever be built there.

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There's a 3acre parcel that surrounds that whole property over to where gas works is. >> Okay, that's what I was I was going to think base. Okay, which isn't far across street to Dudley row. >> That's another good one for me because

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it has a lot of >> access. Well, it has access, but it's just >> So, in other words, right there in front of those are the condos are down across the street from you. >> Yeah. And then that's the house. Um

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there's a newer house at 359. >> Um >> yes. >> Oh man. Okay. >> Does anyone have a preference on which ones? >> No. >> I mean we're going to look for something out of

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from wild and scenic again. >> Oh yeah. >> I just think that landlord is kind of difficult. >> Yes. That's why it's where it is with us, you know, >> landlocked

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>> deed over to us with restrictions to never have it build on by people that don't want to, you know. Well, the one that you did point out, the large one, um, that's going to be quite a bit of money to the survey and it does protect

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>> which or which which >> so it all depends on one that was surveyed last and who did it last. >> Yeah. And so if you and I'm not certain if um that one already has a plan of

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land. It might. So, um I just recently found out where all the old maps are in the building. So, >> well, Plan of Land, you have to look up the writers readings. What's the um parcel number on this one? >> Upstairs, too. >> What's the parcel number on this one

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that we're looking at right now? >> Yep. >> 1882. When was it? >> Oh, 2014. So that's new. >> Yeah, that's real new. >> That one might have a final land. >> 1882.

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There's the plot number 1882. So without spending too much time >> and that's >> on this um because part of this this call project is um flagging the

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boundaries so that we can put um you know monuments or yeah bound markers. Yeah. So um granite

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I don't know. Uh I'm sure there's rods, but either way, um we want Colobby to get a couple um or pricing on these three parcels. >> I know the first two, which that's the

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third one there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And you'll go out to bid with just sorry pricing. So then we can apply for the grant. >> So we got an idea what Yeah. What granting out for?

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>> Yeah. So I can be collecting estimates from engineering firms and surveying firms while I get the application. So that you have >> June 1st is the deadline they're fairly lenient but I don't

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>> so and DNR has done the majority of them so far. Right. >> Right. Yeah. >> So you have, you know, and you have to get a couple prices. >> Well, standard operating procedure, we got to do a three three bid usually, just like we did with the logging and whatnot. >> We didn't with the logging because it

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was below it certain amount. >> Oh, that's right. That's why it didn't go out into >> Right. But um >> so we learned last year that we have to um pursue three estimates and doesn't mean we have to receive the estimates.

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get the proof that you >> attempted to. If they didn't get back more, >> I guess we have to see like when when it was last surveyed, right? >> Uh yeah, but yes, it would have been surveyed if it turned hands and

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>> never know. I'm just waiting for Mike to get >> you assume. I guess they would have done a common surveying on it. But it also, you know, part of is marking out bounds. So there might already be a plan of land that would save us money, but it's still I marking

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the bounds would be >> I see. >> You good? >> Sorry about that. >> Is everything all right? >> Yeah. Signing business, >> huh? >> Sign business. >> They're fins. >> Yeah.

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>> Huh. >> Who's on the board? Um, so I'm going to I'm going to make a motion that we uh move a we reaches out and gets or yeah request

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three quotes on parcels 33-36- 53D-990-0 and then 18-8-2. Um and that uh starts the process for the um wild

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scenic uh council land grant. And uh the next meeting we can hopefully have a rough idea on cost on the three and um help narrow down which two we choose or might choose to all three if they're right. Is is Wild

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and Scenic an independent agent or they national river wershed? >> So does that put them into >> Wild and Scenic is actually federal. >> Right. That's why I'm saying it would be federal coffers they would work out of >> I don't know. I don't

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>> How large is the grant usually? Like >> typically I think 20 grand >> as much as we go high. >> Yeah. So, I think it's like $10,000 or 15,000, but you can reapply after >> or if you receive it

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>> because the last one we got then >> last two >> you replied again and they brought us back up to behold to complete those surveys which was >> key. Beautiful. >> So, um it's the it is federal grant

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money through the National Park Service. Oh, that's what I was That's the name >> is like an agent that they >> So it works under the NPS natural parks which is >> Yeah. Yeah. They're the fun they're the funding source,

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>> right? I mean you'll be grants from him. >> Well, so yeah boo. >> Uh so I made a motion. Is there a second? >> Second roll call vote. Yes. >> James Gates. Yes. >> James D. Yes. Sander Lord. Yes.

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>> And I saw you wanted that, didn't you? You wanted that. You wanted a Patrick out of my mouth. >> Either at the end of June or beginning of July, I'd like to come >> or I'd like one of those meetings to

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start discussing forestry management plans on the land. Yeah. >> On the land or we have already surveyed the last two years. Exactly. Yep. Good. >> Yep. >> I don't want to outpace you. >> Huh?

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>> I don't want to outpace what you're trying to write. >> No. Yeah. Just make sure I got the right parcels. >> So, forestry management is basically like it helps prevent forest fires, right? >> Well, it's >> No. >> No. Yes. Yes, it does. It's also Oh, your brother-in-law could explain it

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probably better than >> Oh, George is all about forestry agriculture. It's all about it. >> You're managing the forest health. You're um you know logging trees that should be cut at a

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certain you know time because of their age. Um we logged old meeting house park this past winter because of disease trees. >> Um and that actually one of the reasons they're harvesting uh Barker Hill Road

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right now is because of the red pines. Oh, >> someone posted on Facebook video from DCR explaining what they were doing on Barker Hill Road. >> So, Baka Hill Road, all that logging is campy because they were pulling >> not all of it, but a good there is a

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>> to the back portion of it >> going to the back side, >> but a good portion of what is being logged is >> and they pull a lot out so far. >> Yeah, >> I love it. >> Wow. >> It also provides some income to the town. to get two in one two foot

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>> the forest the forest fire thing to me is important >> I think every aspect do your forestry agriculture or forestry maintenance is is critical key and you can get it to work

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and a lot of well classic example on west meadow how you can get forestry agriculture to work for you >> you know >> so it it's good for the getting air in between the trees. It helps prevent disease from spreading too quick and

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there's a lot to it. So >> there is >> helps with biodiversity in the forest. >> Oh, I mean it goes beyond that. Let's let's circle around to the the discussion I had with you earlier about >> Can I on

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one? All right. >> Oh, thanks. >> Write it down so you don't forget. >> I did already. It's done. I can't even before you forget. So I >> that's what I was hoping for. >> I really do like the idea of the getting force management plans on it. It gives

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you a great idea of what you have on the properties as far as species, sizes, the entire inventory um as well as um herbaceous layers and um you know mappings

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mapping of the um properties. But I got I gota just um remind you that we're the conservation commission and you have to really focus on the conservation aspect of it and not the timber

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production uh and money part of it. So just want to keep keep that in your um forefront of your your brain, forefront of your thoughts, >> frontal cortex. It isn't the

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>> understanding to generate reptilian >> but it's the biodiversity the the um the fire risk management the just the wildlife

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um you know habitat there's >> it's all works hand in hand >> right so all right like I we had spoken about reasons for your your arm management and you can relate some of this to the Royal

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Trail area trees being cut. There's reasons for it. I notice how people >> how people get, oh, don't cut a tree. You can't cut that tree. Oh, that's bad. That I I'll give you a classic example. I spoke to Jimmy about it. I looked at

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the tree. I thought it was healthy and it it went down. I shot you a picture of that. I was going to have you come down to the field and it was a true widow maker right where

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I'm working, right where we've been in the forest and in the woods and I missed it. So, it was a big cherry tree. >> That is a legitimate concern to me. That is a a reason that we need to look at

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our field edges. And that's why when we went to the harbor, when we were looking at where they had cleared those trees, there's a method to that madness. >> If that >> and that's an example. Um there was also another ter tragedy several years ago in

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West Townson. >> The tree fell and killed >> right child, >> right? You know, so >> but it's a real threat. It's out there and that's why there should be an evaluation done on the trees on the rail if there's >> that's also why we have administrative

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approval so that Kobe >> if you know it's one or two trees but yes >> so I mean any I mean do you want him to come down take a picture of the that tree >> in the in the level devastation it would

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have it would have killed anyone that was underneath it even in a piece of equipment with the year on it. It was that big. We're looking at a 30 in cherry and and I thought it was I I was had no

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plans of cutting it and a little a basic amount of wind blew. >> I I Yeah. And I had >> same thing two years ago where I had a hickory tree fall >> and hickory even worse than what a cherry can be. It's more dense. It's a

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much heavier. So you, Mike, Kobe, if you wanted to come down, take a few example pictures of this monster so that you can put it into an example status of what and why we do clear and cut trees out.

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You know, forestry maintenance, especially when it's in utilization, tapped the maple. So, >> I was in Shirley um during a thunderstorm and a tree came down and I

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was driving and I hopped right over it and it was just we narrowly missed the whole thing was >> was horrible. >> You were lucky you could hop over it. >> I couldn't even walk over this. >> Well, I broke my car. So, >> right. >> Just the way it was happening. I couldn't stop.

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>> Cars don't hop too well. >> No. No. And if you do come down to look at the tree, I'm going to give you a quiz on marshmallows. >> Do we have any questions? >> Familiar with them? >> Oh, sure. >> Oh, never mind. >> Um,

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>> I thought I'd stump you with it. >> So, 6.0 items for discussion at next meeting. >> Your business. >> Yes. Okay. Okay. Um, okay. Maccc email from Dorothy McGllinsy, executive director. She uh basically said action

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alert don't let mass ready act penalize municipalities that protect wetlands and drinking water using local bylaws ordinances. >> Okay. >> And that was sent that was a correspondence or something. >> Yeah. From MACC. So when there's >> I think it probably was sent to

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everybody. >> You don't have you don't do email. >> Okay. Well that yeah >> they try to send it to you on a pigeon and you must have missed it. And they only had 95% accuracy.

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>> What is the pigeons? >> The messenger pigeons. >> In World War II, they had like 95%. >> You can't trust a pigeon. You know that. You never trust a pigeon. >> Um, you got that. Was there anything else to that? >> See, Kobe feels the same way about

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pigeons. Yeah, that's smart to do it. I've been >> I've been jacked on a pigeon before he took me. Oh, yeah. >> Dear conservation commissioners, commission. Well, when is that when are the remarks due by? >> Start with that. >> That's read the email right now.

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>> But that's the thing. I was looking for that. It says um make a phone call, call your state representative, senator, send a letter, edit our draft letter, send it to your state representative, senator, house and house ways and means committee. Share this information as soon as possible. But it doesn't give a

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date. I didn't get a date. It says no date on this. >> Is that an email? >> Yes. You can go in like a detail. It'll tell you the day it was. >> No, no, no. It It's when they're due by. >> Yeah. It doesn't say. >> Do they like to do that where they'll

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send those notices and it's they're due like the next week or they they bury it and the state is pretty good. MCC tries to get the the news out there. >> It was added to the boat stuff and you'll never know about it.

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>> Yeah. >> Surprise. >> Yeah. That's one of these things I got. What's this word? A journal. >> Um, what's that? >> It's one of those things we have to look up, I guess, and try and find out when

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it's going to go before legislature. >> You have that on the >> You're right. Um the other thing show you after uh next meeting is May 27th 26 7 p.m.

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>> So where are we having the annual conservation commission cookout this year? >> We're having a cookout. >> No, we're not. >> Sounds like a lot of fun though. >> Um the annual cookout was cancelled. >> Nobody said anything to me.

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motion. >> I go by myself. >> We could rent a nice location outside of park. >> I know. I got a guy. I know. >> You have a guy. >> You know, we have a motion to adjourn. Or

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>> I'll make a motion that we adjourn at 8:36 p.m. on >> You don't have to do the We know where we are. Oh, I think what? >> I think you should >> second.

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>> Well, I'll second it. >> You can. >> Yes, I can. >> Mike pot said yes. >> I wanted to get it. >> James Keys. Yes. >> Tim Bryan. Yes. Let's go. >> Sandra Lord. Yes. Well, >> let me just explain this. June 10th. >> Thank you.