Starting meeting at 409 um pres president Ron Montgomery and online we have uh Jennifer Great and I have another part I can't read the name Kelly. It's Kelly also here. >> Kelly Lima. Hello.
>> All right. Um that's who we got. Uh first subject previous meeting minutes note of nowhere to vote. Um the rest of this uh previous regarding green communities grant projects and green
communities uh current status projects will have to be suspended for another meeting or later in this meeting. Uh next on the agenda is the climate action plans. Um I have provided some some data on
where we are on the agenda, but uh this is about the um next steps that we received from Jennifer Rate um um earlier this month. All right.
Going to >> All right. Back again. >> Back. [clears throat] >> All right. Um, continue. Jenny, I apologize for the interruption. >> I wish I could rewind myself to wherever I was. >> [laughter] >> before it cut off. That's just for the
record. Um, so what I was saying is that what I shared with you was a discussion meant to be a discussion. Okay. So what we're planning to do, what we would like to do is provide you with a final draft uh
probably late February, early March. And uh we would need to have some public review of that. uh which could be your the two of you um it could be folks in
town hall um other committees I'm not really sure uh who else needs to be part of the review um we can have a a a public you [clears throat] know presentation of it through Zoom um and
see if there's any additional feedback through that and then essentially um the part that I'm not really certain of is who owns the final plan. Um [clears throat] if the if Townsen is considering having
their select board endorse the plan or what what steps you are thinking you would like to move forward with that'll inform well both the timing of that but whether or not you want to do that and then the when we want them to do that helps to work through a schedule. So I
think that's really more of a question. I'm not clear if that's something that is uh desired as the end result or if you just want the document. And if you just want the document and we leave you with that and then you decide to do something independent of NIMCOG, you
know, and having like your own uh endorsement or adoption of priorities, then then that is okay too. Uh but it would be helpful to know that. So that's why this is really meant to be just a discussion point. Um and then you can let us know.
>> All right. Around around here you ordinarily the energy committee would you know look at it and want to move it forward. We would ordinarily just move it forward as after everybody's looked at it made all the we made all the adjustments including our input the
staff input stuff. And uh if when we vote that this is the one, this is the the the uh document we want to forward to and recommend that the board of selectmen approve, that's we we would forward it like that. We we'd meet with
the board of selectman joint meeting, present it, tell them all the work that went into developing that document, and obviously there'd be some evidence there as to uh you know, the inputs that went there. um and they they decide to uh
present it to town meeting perhaps or I don't know where where it might go from there but um that's the ordinary path that that town would take. >> Okay. [clears throat] What do you envision in terms of wanting NIMCAD's
involvement in any of that? Do you want us to just give you a draft of the plan and then you walk it through the process that you just outlined where you review it, it's final, then you move it with the select board, etc. What were you
envisioning? We envision lots of help because we we're we're two people and uh you know I think there's there's a little bit I don't know how well documented the previous meetings were but of course you
had Michelle Michelle's uh input I don't know >> uh how what that shows you know how far she got how comfortable she was with the input from those meetings >> um because I did not attend those meetings now I realize that I probably should have gone and I would understand
more of the discussion that went on uh to develop but I didn't. So for me to pick up that point now and help organize it, it would be I I don't think I I could do it. Mike, you what do you think?
>> I mean it seems to make sense that if we were to present this for example to the select board um to have um Nim Kog along with us to have discussion with the select you to be there with the uh with
us with the to the board of suckling presentation. But that's where we're headed towards and then that we that's the end of the path for us because we are just an appendage of the board of selectment. You know, kind of remote here, but we're
we're we we have no authority uh other than to make recommendations to the board of selectment and then they have all the authority to move to town meeting or whatever has to happen. And of course along the way we want to make sure that uh uh whatever we recommend
does uh stay within the bounds of the town bylaws and and that sort of thing. >> Okay. Um well I think I'll just make minor adjustments to the timeline then and basically it stays the what I outlined
stays the same. Um, so we'll plan on giving a final draft uh to uh, you know, to then use as part of like a we'll have a public meeting over Zoom um, in March and
make any final revisions in April. Uh, that'll give your the two of you time to review it and make a recommendation to the select board. And I think then after that is when the select board would make their, you know, there would be some presentation to them and an endorsement
in May or June. >> And that kind of brings us to the end of the the grant actually at the end of June. So >> I have one uh one sort of question or just observations. Um I think we're going to be discussing later in this
meeting this sort of new designation that the state is offering towns. and I I quickly reviewed it um just a little you know earlier this today. So yeah so what it's called the climate leader
climate [clears throat] leader opportunities. Okay so if we were to pursue that I think one of the criteria was you have to have some sort of plan in place but one of the options for ha for being designated as meeting that
requirement would be having a climate action plan. Okay. So, can we once this plan is written, can we say we have a climate action plan or would it actually require this select board to >> let me let me figure this because she hasn't been exposed to what we're talking about yet.
>> Okay. Um perhaps you know all about it but uh the uh uh green communities grant program uh has a uh climate leader community certification grant program and uh you know we're hanging on by a thread to have enough people on the
energy committee to have an energy comm all that stuff. when you get down to it. Um with the question is does the uh uh uh item that we're working on now, the document that you're working on
satisfy the um requirement number four, which is municipal decarbonization road map. We're wondering if it if it will if if this work satisfies that requirement. Um,
I'm very familiar with climate leader communities. Uh, I think there's actually a lot of things that you would need to do, not just this road map. And yes, it technically could be part of the road map, but I think
what they're looking for actually in the municipal decarbonization roadmap from what I remember is about municipal operations. Yeah, that is exactly what it says. And you don't have that. And this plan will not be doing that. No. So that is something that you can actually
do as a green communities activity. You can create a road map for your municipal buildings and we can certainly recommend it in the plan itself, but you don't you don't have a you don't have that road map. It's basically a through the green communities program there's you do
audits and I I don't remember who has done audits in towns right now but um like for example there's there's like a a company that does audits of all of your municipal buildings and they tell you you know so what you need to do how
much it's going to approximately cost to make [clears throat] upgrades uh and it you know it's anything from light bulbs to doors and windows and other HVAC improvements. There's so many different systems that usually need to be replaced in order to decarbonize. That's what
they're talking about, not climate action plan. >> We've had those kinds of um audits certainly, but um several occasions. Um yeah, I just thought that in the description and I only read it quickly. So in the description of that criterion,
it actually said if you have a climate action plan that meets this requirement, but maybe it depends on what the climate action plan says or you know something. it it would be it's pretty specific from what I remember and it's like basically an oper like municipal operations that
need to be to fulfill it and it's a it's kind of a more it's about your buildings and and I don't I don't recall towns having that. The other thing you don't have is a zero emission vehicle first policy. You haven't adopted the specialized stretch energy code. You
don't have a decarbonization commitment. Um, and to your point, you have this committee, but it's uh I think you need to continue to work on the membership, you know, and increase
>> the engagement. >> Um, I don't know about your position with green communities in terms of being in good standing. So, just looking at the um these requirements, maybe one out of six isn't is correct, but you have
five others before you'd be eligible to truly apply. One one thing that if you're really serious about it, you should probably be connecting with your green communities coordinator. Um, and I think that's uh, you know, probably like
Kieran on town staff, you know, he appropriate person to do that who could advise the steps the town would need to take in order to get there more uh, you know, more effectively than I mean I I know what you need to do, but they might
be they might be a little bit more prescriptive because they're familiar with what you've already done. >> All right. All right. Sounds good. um in the uh when we're involving the the town staff and and uh stuff, please
let us know even though those aren't necessarily addressed to us. We already had this meeting. If you do have meetings with town staff and stuff, please let us please us include us on the invite because we we need to be more involved in uh understanding the
community's uh feeling on on this stuff. >> Yeah, we haven't had any other I haven't had any other meetings with any staff. Uh you you saw all the >> communications so far. Yeah, >> Michelle did and I didn't attend those meetings.
>> Okay. So, I would like the future one. >> Okay. I would anticipate maybe we're going to have one meeting with Kieran before we finalize the draft and then um >> you know, it'll be up to you two to
help us get comments. >> All right. >> All right. Can I answer any other questions about our process? >> Pardon me. Oh, can I answer any other questions about the our like the planning process? >> But the time timeline we're looking at
is uh late February, early early March for the next uh meeting with you. >> Um I think um let's look at that more carefully. Excuse me.
You know, not everybody reads stuff before they go to a meeting, but I think this this is stuff that requires people to be a little bit familiar before they show up at a meeting, you know. So hopefully we'll have a few days to check out what you'll what we'll discuss. >> So maybe uh the next time it looks like
it would be March 18th, right? Is that your next is that I mean I know you meet in February, but the meeting in March would it be on the 18th? >> Tenative. Okay. Oh, actually I uh I won't be here that week. It'll have to
be I'm going to be away a lot of March, but we can figure out the March 18th won't work for me unless you have it. >> Oh, I mean, but don't do you have a regular meeting date time? Daytime. >> Normally it is. What? It's a Wednesday. What is it? Normally third Wednesday.
>> We're trying to do three or four o'clock on Wednesday afternoon because there's always rooms available over here and it easier for us to get to. But >> I'll be I'll be we'll we'll be zooming in for that meeting. So if it's not on
the 18th, would it be on the 11th? >> Um I won't be here either. >> Early in the early in the month, Mike's not going to be here, I guess. >> So basically 11th through the 26th. I'm not >> We'll be out of town 11th to the 26th. So before the 11th after the 26th to
include the whole active committee. [laughter] Um uh just looking at availability. Um [clears throat] I I'm not totally sure about the 10th right now. The 9th I know is not
possible. Um maybe March 4th. Would that work? >> Yeah. Would be okay with >> All right. I would need it to not be right at 4 though. Um as I'll be I'll be
I have another meeting from 3 to 4. So could we um you you might like when we appear could it be 4:30? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> We might start the meeting before that 4:30.
>> Yeah. That's what I'm saying is just uh just um acknowledging that I I won't be able to attend right at 4 that day. That's the only thing. Um yeah, so we will I'll be in touch with
you about when roughly we'll be sharing the document and you know so that you have it in advance. Um it's again that's the final draft preparation. Um so that we could then find a time to
have a public meeting. I mean if you want that to be the public meeting March 4th that's also an option but uh if not then uh we would have to find another day for that. >> [clears throat]
>> That could be on another day because uh we're not we're not trying to involve the whole engine committee at that point. You know, if I could go to that other meeting, whatever it is, but um Michael will be here and he doesn't have to be here for any other for staff meetings. I could I
could go myself probably. Um but it it it sounds like the fourth would work. And as far as uh having I think we could pro you want to try to do it with the staff at the same time they do their meeting. >> In other words, be an extra meeting for
us, but that's not a big deal to me. >> It's all right. >> If you you wanted to have a a uh we could both come to the the meeting you have with the staff. It's for the same purpose, right? [clears throat] >> I was only going to reach out to Kieran.
I wasn't That's the only person who I was planning to reach out to. >> Kieran. Oh, okay. >> Kieran. Yeah. >> Well, we'll we'll invite him to our meeting. >> That's kind of what I figured. So, um
so it sounds like we we're not going to have a like a public meeting. [clears throat] So, um, [clears throat] the item two on that, uh, agenda is set. We're we're not going to do that. The targeted public meeting.
>> Well, I'm not hearing a timeline for that. If we meet with you March 4th, then we would need to find a different time in March to have a forum. And it sounds like >> right >> Mike is out until the 26th
>> and I am actually as well. Like I have time but I'm not around either that month. >> Um so if it's April >> I'm not hearing very well. Can you help me with this? >> Um she she just suggests we do the forum
in April. uh either just sort of not have a separate forum or we could we could all we could meet on the 4th and schedule the forum for some other date, right? >> That's what that's what we should do. Okay, good. I understand that now.
>> Um yeah, that's what we should do. Schedule the forum after our meeting because that may affect your time, you know, what we discuss, what comes out of our meeting may affect your timeline just a little bit, you know, by >> Yeah. So we'll meet on the 4th 4:30 with you
and uh the uh you know the subsequent meeting would we kind of [laughter] plan at that point. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. You're welcome. All right. Well, you know where to reach me and if you have other things or ideas or questions
about stuff, let let us know. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. You're welcome. anything else or >> have a great evening. >> All right. You too. All right. Bye now. >> Bye. >> Bye. [sighs and gasps] [clears throat]
>> All right. All right. Uh let's see. And that ended at 433. All right. [clears throat] Uh how you doing, Mike? >> Good. Good. >> All right. Well, why don't we continue our meeting it and we can talk later.
>> Um, >> previous meeting minutes, did you get a chance to look at them? >> I did. >> And would you um please >> uh Yeah, I um uh I move to uh approve the minutes for
the October 1st, 2025 meeting. And the uh I second and I uh yes say yes [clears throat] m yes approved this next section previous regarding
green communities grant project updates you to where we are um the um you They they said at the that meeting that we had with with the uh the group the launch meeting that they thought
they could have it done by the end of December. I you know stressed that we needed to have done as soon as possible. By the way, even if even if we were able to participate in that climate leaders community program, we didn't complete this project in time
to be to go for it. >> [clears throat] >> So >> again, um current project status um that well you got that the print is there. I'll read it in case there's
someone listening into the meeting. Um Frank Davies reports that Hawthorne Brook uh LED uh installations were about done at the time I contacted him. Uh January 15th, 75% complete. estimate two
weeks to complete and return the paperwork. Um, Memorial Hall and the uh retrocommissioning study is started but may not complete until air conditioning season which would make sense, >> right? >> Um,
only discussion on that is that neither neither uh Frank nor Frank nor um Dave uh What is it? Dave Amari from the schools
knew that the town administrator had left and they would have sent their reports to the old town administrator and he was sat around waiting to get [clears throat] >> well hopefully it would get >> I sent I sent them both a message saying by by the way our town administrator
left send all your paperwork to Karen now and they both responded well Jesus is nobody [clears throat] told me you know. >> Yeah. All right. Uh the the uh so that's what I had to report there. We have just been through the climate action plan
next steps and uh web page update. It kind of kicked this one to the side because I knew that other thing would take some time. But um we had last talked about trying to trying to make corrections about with
the web page because it's not up to date and um we still need to do that. I I was wondered here whether we should discuss just making a a quick fix rather than a deep fix and you know take away the glaring parts and
>> add the add what we want to replace it with later but there's there's some you know glaring errors there that >> yeah um I haven't looked at it I did I volunteer to do that I think I did didn't I [laughter] okay I I could take a look and at least see if I have any um
ideas on >> we'll we'll look at it >> at the existing page and develop outlines for progress. You know, see how see how much we progress to the next meeting. >> Yeah. >> Um All right. That that was that. Um the minute status town clerk record has all
the approved town minutes from 2020 all our meeting minutes from 2025 with one exception. Uh there's one of the meetings in 2025 where I did not call the meeting. The board of selectman called the meeting. Mhm.
>> And they submitted an agenda for the town for us. So, there's an agenda there with no minutes because it was actually a board of selectman joint meeting, >> right? >> And I just talked with the clerk's office. I'm going to make a uh for our next meeting. I'll make a uh
[clears throat] make minutes for that meeting the joint meeting and our minutes will say joint meeting with you know voter selectman refer to their minutes dated you know >> you know and that that really all we have to do for that >> other uh other uh errors and omissions
there I found that uh like a 2023 meeting would have a 204 minutes attached to Uh >> so there's some corrections that I need to make and and and
putting them all where they belong. >> Uh one of the challenges here is that we've had I think four uh chairpersons of the committee and we all label name files differently. >> So I can't couldn't really do a sort. I
had to find the word minutes someplace in the name of the file, >> right? to be able to sort it out. And I've I've tried to rename all the minutes so that they can sort properly.
>> Yeah, that's very useful. Yeah. >> And the date, you know, >> they're all the same. >> Yeah. >> And I think I've got most of them so far. >> Where do you have all these files? These >> It's all in this on on >> It's all in here. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's
all the files that I've ever received. I don't I don't delete crap. I mean, I'm a terrible I'm terrible like that. You walk into my house, you can tell I don't throw crap. >> Well, how but how would you have like minutes [laughter] from years ago when you weren't the chairman or the person? >> I went and got them before before uh my
time. I when I became I before I joined the committee, I read all the minutes that they were >> and then [clears throat] um later on I decided that, you know, we had to >> make sure that they're all there and I
There's a project I think comes a point you know back like after maybe after co I is important but precoid I think it's important but you know how much time you want to spend on it >> right >> 19 to you know nine years
>> and um there's everything I changed the date of a meeting and can't do the meeting and okay so we have to change the date but somehow or other I would not tell anybody. I know there were times that I didn't tell we had a cancelled meeting and I didn't tell uh TAM
>> so his guys were here waiting for us. That was stupid, right? My era. It's embarrassing, but in those same situations. Hi, how you doing? >> Good evening. >> Hi. >> Thank you guys. Energy committee. >> Yes, energy committee. >> All right.
>> So, you have a meeting tonight? >> Yeah, we are having a meeting. >> Do you have other members? officially won, right? Kathy's still a member, but >> Kathy still Kathy Thompson is still a member, but but due to health considerations, she wanted to to quit,
but if she quit and one of us didn't show up, we would not be able to come up with a quorum for a $200,000 grant program. Right. So, we asked her to stay and she's on call. She would show up if I needed a vote to >> she could do Zoom, >> move something. Yes. But she uh
sometimes she'll just show up. I mean, she gets invited to every meeting. She's advi gets copies of everything. You know, she she's invited, but uh she normally doesn't show up and she she could just show up online anytime because, you know, we're virtual. >> What is your um uh number off the top of
my head on the committees? How many are on your >> officially? It's five. >> Okay. >> But we've been down we've had three members for several years and Okay. >> Yeah. So we really could use more members. >> There is there is something you should know about
there's I I want to participate in this climate leader communities certifi certification program. >> Okay. >> And you know we're we've gone through most of the stuff that insulation and air seal and stuff you can do to the
buildings. Now it's more turning towards replacing heating equipment to reduce carbon and might save money but remain to be seen. So we're participating in a in a in a uh clean climate action plan uh
program right now. But one of the things that this this uh climate leader program requires is that you have an active engaged community uh energy committee and uh it's not like you can if one of
us goes down we don't have an energy committee anymore but you you must have an energy committee to participate in this. Um >> so do you know um still have a posting for members? Oh, posting. Um,
>> they don't they they they haven't I I I I I mentioned this to Kieran a little while ago. >> Apparently the um you know there are a lot of committees that have problems getting people but you know our our meetings pretty much stay within an hour, right?
>> Yeah. And um [clears throat] if if that's a problem people have that maybe the the invite to join the committee should say are most of our committees are under an hour meetings are under an hour but in reality I think it's going to take more people in the future.
>> Yeah I agree. Um so I'll make sure that um because I just got a volunteer form but it's not for your um committee. Um, although I did mention it because I knew that you had an opening. I am I'm Laura
Shiffren. >> Yes. Yes. I'm >> Michael Brown. >> Michael Brown. >> Ron. Ron. Um, so I'll make sure that a posting goes out tomorrow for your remaining two vacancies.
Okay. >> Right. Right. >> And if it's possible to put uh regular meetings, how often do you meet? monthly, >> typically once a month. Every once in a while if there's a big deal going on, we might leave meet two or three times in
one month in a short period of time, but you know, just because we got to got to get a vote through and make advise you guys. >> Yeah, understand. So maybe we can uh add a note to it that says um generally once
a month or an hour or so, so they have some idea. Once people get on, they may be the one that causes it to be longer. You know, you don't know. So, okay. Well, I guess I stopped for a reason. >> Thank you. >> I was dropping that off. >> Thank you.
>> Good luck. I'll make sure that's done tomorrow. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Good night. Thank you again for your time. >> Sure. Bye. Bye. >> Where were we, Mike? >> Uh, let's see. >> Yeah, Venus. Um, >> oh, right. You were looking for some of
the older >> ones. I, you know, got a plan. It's it like, you know, even it's the ones that are already done that become a problem because you you see a date of a of a a date and the agenda, you open the agenda
and it's for a different date. [clears throat] >> You open the minutes and it's for that same date. So, it's a different >> Yeah. >> set, but it's in the wrong place. Um, so, so I have to make a list of all the ones that are in there and I I will I
don't go will go back beyond a certain point, but the ones that are in there, you print out the agenda, you print out and you and they are not labeled, [clears throat] you know, necessarily the same because the the the column you're you're trying to print says uh
>> just want to ask neither one of you um has a blank pickup, right? >> No. because there's one on bath with a flat tire. >> Oh, huh. >> By the way, did when I came to this meeting, I got here a few minutes after
4, so I was late, but the all the doors were locked like the back and the front. Is that Is that what normally happens? >> Yeah, because they all leave. How did you get in? >> Uh, somebody I I I went first the back, then the front, then I went back to the back and I was sort of knocking then
somebody was leaving and then so they opened the door and I could get in. Okay. So, are you on Zoom? Are you being recorded by >> Yes. What's that again? >> Oh, we're being recorded. Yes. Tam. Yeah, this is a record. This is a
recorded meeting. >> Okay. So, if they knew you were having a meeting, that door should open. >> Okay. >> All right. It doesn't usually happen. >> What time does it What time does it usually close? cuz I could
>> four. >> Okay. >> But there are many nights where [clears throat] there's meetings. >> Right. Right. >> Um anyway, there's more work to be done.
I got I got things so far. And then I want to plug something in. So, I checked the minutes for the for the meeting that is in there to say I want to make sure that the meeting that I'm putting in now was was approved. Was the agenda proof? Yes, it was. That'll be on the next
meeting's minutes. Right. But you look [clears throat] at it and it's a highly different decade, you know. >> Yeah. >> So, I don't know how many of there are the ones that I've seen just that tell me I can't trust what's there. [laughter]
>> All right. So that's that project and uh pro topics not reason not reasonably expected 48 hours before well I I got that document this one >> weeks ago but I didn't actually look at it >> and when I actually looked at it and
read it I said well you know this is like where we're headed >> you know and we have to be prepared to to we need more
Yeah, I guess it's something that we could um start working towards. It's not like next month we're going to apply [laughter] get that. >> Well, there are programs that would have done what this climate action program does >> that would have account because because that's what they were doing preparing.
This was not a the is not a green communities program. >> Right. Right. >> And apparently it doesn't count as a green communities program. So, well, maybe we'll have some, you know, work done prior to actually doing the
>> But they we do need help developing >> each of those items that are >> there. We can't do it ourselves. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um, no public forum. Nobody's
here. I proposed a meeting February 25th here. I don't have a reservation for the room or anything, but usually four o'clock is good for the room. Um, whereas we just came up with this March 4th >> and that's just a week later, I guess.
>> Do you mind uh doing both separately? >> Uh, could. [clears throat] Yeah. >> Okay. Is February 25th going to work for you? >> Yes. Should. Yeah. >> Okay. So, that's that's what we're going to try to get on. and a motion to adjurnn.
Okay, I'll make a motion to adjurnn. Second in >> favor and we're we are adjourned. >> Hello. Hell, [clears throat] you know, like the these these people
would uh the community council of government may be really under the gun. What what this thing that I I separated out from her from her uh email the things that she was planning to do you know plan >> and
I don't know it's I I have trouble hearing you know that but [clears throat] I'm I'm not really sure that she's like actually doing what's on him. Uh >> it looks like she says if you want I could do it this way. If you don't want it, you can do it this way. And changes.
>> I think she was just um uh >> yeah, she was just essentially saying we could modify this process. >> Doesn't have to be like this, >> right? And and and in particular like
the last step, the select board endorsement, I just assumed, oh, that's how it's always done when I saw it there. and she said, "Well, you know, do you want to do you want to ask the select board to endorse it?" I mean, I guess it would make sense. It gives it a
makes it more official. >> Well, I probably shouldn't shouldn't have ended the meeting because >> But, you know, she says in the first set, final draft preparation, internal review is include time. Now, I thought that would be like 20 people.
>> [laughter] >> It's too It's apparently the three of us and only Karen >> and that that cuz >> this was developed using >> Well, who else is going to be involved? There were many planning board. >> Well, Nelson put this together. He's the
one who signed up for it. >> Never asked, never talked to us about it, but just >> I forgot that. Right. >> Okay. and he got the town staff together >> for meetings with Michelle, >> not just Kieran
>> and basically everybody who could come, >> but we now review it with Kieran. >> All right. So, uh, none of that. All right. So, um I had a uh after the meeting I just want to let you know what my
status is cuz I've been up in the air. I'm a little scared right now. >> Yeah. >> Um well, I had I had herniated discs, couple of herniated discs and lumbar stenosis. They gave me injections
and uh home therap was in the hospital. Pain was horrible. uh did did uh inpatient uh therapy for uh 9 days and outpatient until just before
holidays and uh was supposed to go to outpatient therapy next. I was getting better and they tell me in very very limited lifting and
uh I'm I'm I'm a chauffeur. I have been in a chauffeur for some time, but I have trouble sitting in that position, >> right? >> It it's like I'm it's like a swollen position. The my lumbar is just I I have
to lay back. [clears throat] uh when I was in pain for that in the hospital for that first 10 11 days I could not sit up. I had to lay I had to lay down the whole time >> you know to eat I would I would sit myself up eat really quickly and then
lay myself down again >> and lost 20 lost 20 pounds. But um what concerns me now is like today I I drove for the first time in about a week
>> and uh just going down to get groceries and I I was I was more uncomfortable than I have been in that position rather than less comfortable. Oh, I was less comfortable today and I noticed notable
>> return to uh indications that I had before the injury went >> pretty bad. [snorts] >> So, I'm I'm I'm concerned. And in the meantime, my my primary care physician
quit. I have to change primary care physicians in the middle of this. And I don't have a don't even have a I don't have a uh referral yet for the for the physical therapy. It's just I'm it's just weird. >> Oh, so sorry. >> Now I'm not taking any I'm not taking
any serious medication anymore. I was they gave me the which is five times as powerful as Oxycodone. >> Oh wow. >> That it was serious. >> Yeah. >> And they they I'm off all that stuff so I can drive and I I take a leave now.
Mhm. >> But um just things aren't going well. >> Yeah. >> Oh, really? Sorry to hear that. >> So, I got a scared me because we got to have um you know a whole committee and we can't do anything.
>> Yeah. I had a little excitement the last remember when the last um time we actually Oh, was October is the last time we met before now? >> Yes, that meeting we just uh approved. Oh, so right just after that in early November. Yeah, I found out my dog was
>> and we was we were supposed to have a meeting in uh November >> and it was the uh the uh community action plan second stakeholders meeting in November and when I was in the
hospital I sent you that's when I advised you that I was out and if someone wanted to go meet >> I think I was going to go to it and I guess they found out it was cancelled or I might have even gone. I think I actually went That's right. I That's the one I actually went to and then I think
it was going to be in the library or in the uh senior center and they said, "Oh, that got cancelled." So, yeah, it didn't get cancelled. It got moved apparently. But >> Oh, well, I never heard one online. >> Yeah. Well, we we tried and I I just
wanted to let and I did let the people organ organizers including Denny know that you know I couldn't go. [laughter] >> Uh so it's a uh
>> well my excitement was my uh my dog got cancer. >> Oh no. So basically all of November and December pretty much my life was devoted to taking care of her and you know she was on her way out. It's very sad. >> Yes. Yeah. Of course it is.
>> And she passed away in like just before. >> Sorry to hear that. >> Yeah. You know still sad. So >> how long you had the dog? >> Uh almost 17 years. 16 >> family. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> So we're sort of well taking the house
back. That's the one bright side of it. The house was just trashed. Now, now we're we're getting getting it back into better shape. But, um, >> yeah, >> in fact, I have a junk guy coming on Friday to take several pieces of furniture. They're halfeaten.
>> Got junk. Yeah. >> Anyway, so that was November, December. Then I um I had some surgery, minor, uh, pretty minor. It was one of those non-lethal skin cancers. Yeah. So, I had it on my neck and just had that about
two weeks ago and uh I think there's still some little bandages on it, but it's basically done. You know, it's pretty much healed. So, that was my excitement the last couple of months. [clears throat] All right.
Shutting down. was still my old computer. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I my my new computer got it a year ago in December. >> And I didn't use it much at first because I was engaged in these meetings and you know trying to
>> I wanted to make the switch like in the summer but I tried to set up that new computer in you know April May last year >> and I I did it in in small increments. You know you you turn it on for the first time. I mean, it asks you, you
know, your your password and making stuff, you know, creating a contact and telling it which, >> you know, how you get on the internet and stuff. Brand new computer. >> Well, I got to a point they had to stop.
And next time I went in, um, I had gotten used to the, um, the camera opening the computer. You open it up and it sees you. Okay, it's Ron. Open the computer. they don't know password and then there
was a uh Windows um update and at the same time I think one drive and the um the Google Drive were fighting each
other over who was going to keep the files. Oh, >> and and eventually Google Drive gave up >> and that's where [clears throat] I had a lot of my stuff from the committee. >> Yeah.
>> And uh my income stuff is in there. Hm. So, I ended up um trying to to get it back and uh next time I went in, it didn't it didn't the the uh uh camera didn't
recognize me. So, it says, you know, password. Well, I put in my key keyword, it didn't recognize it. [clears throat] Oh, no, that's not what happened. Um after all these updates, I had no keyboard. So you you open the computer
and you you get to the point where it says input your password and you can't there's no there's no keyboard. >> Oh no play >> letters and it would take numbers but it wouldn't take any letters. >> And I you know I'm I'm trying to discover what did I do do with this thing to break it. You know I must have pushed a button that turns off the
keyboard or something. I and for hours and hours I'm trying to work with that. called um Best Buy to say, you know, I think I screwed it up. What do I do? Say call call Lenovo. Oh, that's the uh
computer. >> Huh. Weird. >> Well, you sure the uh because I know on my computer probably varies with everyone, but to get into the computer whenever it's turned on, it's I have to give it numbers. There's a four number passcode.
>> Well, they had me put in my own. So, I created a password. I remember what the password is. >> Yeah. >> Um, but I can't input it because I have no keyboard. >> Oh, I I one of the things I tried is I turned on because there's a little icon on the screen and I could use my mouse.
>> Yeah. >> So, I I turned on the um the uh screen keyboard. It's under, you know, uh the for disabled people, whatever. I don't know how they would use it, [laughter] >> but I turned on the No. And then I had
control. I could put in letters and numbers, but I had to get to that point. So, you'll get to the point where you're putting in the P password. You open that up and I was able to put in my password and it didn't accept it. All right. And and it opened it up, you know, just fine.
>> Yeah. >> So now, but next time I turned it off, the keyboard's gone again. Tried to do it and it didn't work. >> It's like, you know, wrong password. >> And I'm how the hell did the password change? I didn't look I and oh uh every time you when they put
in the password it said uh um uh you've made an error so uh please you know check so so that gives tells you you must put in capital A 1 capital B 2 capital C 3 and then it gives you an opportunity to actually put in your
password [clears throat] and it turned out that you know I have the numbers lock on over the you know so That's really what it's addressing. It's making sure you got the numbum lock and the and and the uh caps off on off
>> it it has not worked. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Caps lock their uh cams. >> What about it? >> You we're still recording you. Are you guys Have you did you end your meeting? I got caught. >> We ended the meeting. We ended the meeting uh some time ago. We were
calling for you but uh you didn't respond. So, yeah, we ended the meeting. We can stop recording. >> Okay. All right. That's why I wanted to double check. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks.