##VIDEO ID:stfuy8L8Hyk## um let's uh think you ready mate call meeting to order sure we call meeting to order 707 Kathy tells me she's at Mass General Hospital didn't tell me which one by text oh and it's been a longterm thing citis she says oh it's like a bad [Music] infection yeah um off hand um I don't think I got oh maybe I did uh okay our meeting attached the agenda I don't know if this includes minutes but you know I don't think I ever downloaded this sorry I might be in contact with you in the meantime but we're going to consider the minutes at the next meeting okay I'll try to come up with both of them and you know actually send it to you again okay um sometimes um Word and Excel they it sends off sends my uh when I save stuff it'll send it off to one drive or you know the Google it it goes off to all these places and I don't know where yeah I got to go find them yeah all right uh Green community status discussion we this is we I think we hit this last time but they I I said it differently this time rise failed to complete work in time disqualifying us from the fall 24 round um rise isn't going to get to quote us for a while and that that's been a problem for me I need I need a quote on hand and they're asking us you know what do you want us to quote I want you I want to want to the you know the the things that are left to do you've got a list some of it is uh you know heat pumps and stuff but but some of it is not let's let's quote it get it done yeah um I am I I'm disappointed with rise and I I think they have a lot of technical expertise but their administrative side is lacking and uh you know I I I just try to figure out how to proceed uh you know or whether I want to involve Rob we have a you know as far as I know we still have a temporary or we have a permanent uh Town manager Town Administrator now are you asking because I don't actually you don't know I thought I thought that I'm confused because it's been referred to as a temporary and ref and you know was was coming on board you know such a time is he coming on board to be a temporary you know I don't know um anyway I don't know who involve in in in that got a new qu go for the spring round and figure out whether we wish to involve another uh supplier this for this meeting I you know just worked on this stuff but I guess the rest of it can follow I I'll figure out what to do and let you know what I Didion is that not a l a lot who I don't even recall like was was it our committee's decision as to who would do this service for us or no just it was we we may have been offered Alternatives I don't know would have been probably I was on the committee I surely was you'd have to go back 10 years worth a minute if they have them [Music] um it's a uh I I I think maybe that there's a lot more dollar volume of of work left in the HVAC set you know stuff moving electrification than there is in the efficiency side there's there's stuff to do on the efficiency side we're got to cover but longterm meaning a year from now that's not that long because we are urgently pursuing this um we'll we'll want to you know make make some moves and the uh uh having that stuff in advance would very helpful um all right progress I'm going to do mine first on the um trying to figure out to how to show uh the the dollar value of of our of our savings no there are few complications in and the chief one of them is that the um there are no costs associated with our use of diesel and gasoline or oil uh I'm not too worried about the gasoline and Diesel we've never made any s recommendations in that area it does appear to me on a chart on a graph that has been management involved because we have reduced the amount of oil gas that we use every year unless there's a big snowstorm or so you know it's not controllable uh to a degree um but we haven't made any overall moves to switch to uh noncarbon Vehicles so um I I don't really think we need to look at that that closely because there's going to be no savings there that that can be attributable to our work however when it comes to buildings there's um stuff we have done and uh it does show some results another complication other than lack of oil values which is got to be built into the uh um Bank we have oil used but oil is not actually used when you when you get it it's delivered it's put in a tank it's not used so it could go off into another period Poss so there's a distortion that has uh occurred relative to the usage and I know I don't know there may even be an error in the data but [Music] um uh I'll get I'll show you that yeah the third comp third complication is that um you got the water department included now the water department as far as I know is a like really water company not water department does the town make uh you know do the do the citizens of towns in vote to spend money on the water department is it is it a budget item you know that that affects our taxes because they are the largest saver that we've seen you one of the largest Savers and so you you know they they save quite a bit of money and that's and it was covered by our program but I don't know if it affects the tax you know it's on it's a tax item ICL I includ gu that they're funded by fees but I yeah yeah we we pay for it so I don't know if there's you know an extra cost we pay for Capital Improvements or whatever but um that that's a question I have about the the data I did use it because it does show savings and they did they did use Grant Pro grant money to do all the stuff they did and there's more that they could do with solar but I mean suppose it could still be included and so you know you could argue well it may not be a real saving to the taxpayer but still a Sav I made a an effort and it's going to beutal because I I can't use these numbers I looked up the um the historical value of oil and there's a a chart maintained by the federal government state by state yeah week by week the average uh what they what they considered to be the cost of uh oil um at retail it's published yeah so that could give you estimate I guess that might work department and the um and the uh uh reading room West hwn and reading room because they're delivered into a tank right that's that's a retail most of the oil is dumped into the ground into an enormous tank 5,000 7,000 gallons at a time and that's not going to be the same price that is a very influential fact of cost and I don't have access to what we actually pay uh when I asked for it what I got from the town a good idea it was a nice effort um was the the um com buys Commonwealth of Massachusetts has a buying system uh where the state buys tons of of oil based on what people say they're going to use and you can you you can draw off towns can draw off that Supply which is enormous uh at a uh discounted rate depending on you know how much you get and and they they they' set it up so that there certain vendors associated with certain areas so you know which vendor it would would have had to be if they if we were using that and apparently town was using the combin so somewhere somewhere there there may be a record but I don't know if I go back 10 years of uh what we actually pay which would be interesting I don't think it's going to show savings still because when we we replace uh oil for heat with gas for heat um but the um value of oil didn't go up as fast as the value for gas so we spent more money but we no doubt spent less money than we would have if we hadn't insulated it's hard to show in insulation because in the on the heat side on the electricite it's real easy to show but it's nice but you're you're saying we switched to gas and gas gas prices went up gas prices have gone up over the years more than well because I thought well went up more but I I you know that's just based on my impression I don't know the data okay so um that's that's it with the exceptions that I can think of but um so um so we you know for example on oil you you can say we you in terms of gallons of oil we used you can you can see well that's way I think I know where you had it kilowatt hours we've got the kilowatt hours and they do record the dollars each month and so you've got the total dollars and You' got total kilowatts used and so you can develop a kilowatts per hour that we take right now you take that for each year and you can see how the price per kilowatt hour on average increase and that increased 20 40% I something I may have put it on the chart um like a 230% increase in in the price of um gas and oil can can can change you know a buck during a year fluctuates that's that's what that's what I I I couldn't really use this chart I have it still but it starts the top what we get from what we got from the data base is this stuff the actual um the usage right and then I total it up on by year what are those numbers these are the totals the this is the total uh what are the units of all these numbers gallons this is gallons gallons in in oil yeah so yeah 30 3,449 gallons used in 210 mhm and 16,000 and 20 what got cost in use right yeah that's a 20110 so there's um if by this number there' be $100,000 used I didn't actually continue the dollar things is the dollars come down the dollars come down in oil this is all just oil MH so this is each year 2010 20 uh 11 12 13 right through 20 so what what does is gives us a um it started off by giving giving me an approximate value if if this if this was the cost per gallons M and I was modeling that to see if I could get a you know a reasonable number out of it so the problem is that it this the when you take the um what I did journ it took the uh values that were download in gallons or or um kilowatt and um total them up to decide a and we did this for both natural gas and for uh electricity because those are utility build items and we have the dollars and quantities used so they started Mei um and you can get it the whole chart for the year for the month uh year quarter or month that you can you can the data will print out in that kind of summary so I printed it out in annual summar which gives you a summary of usage and cost month by month for uh every entity uh the street lights for example are in the highway department um so it's buried in there but um yeah but you can break it out um so what I ended up with was a bunch of uh charts now just St breaking the street lights out for example I had the what they give you out of in the chart in from uh from the uh uh Mei is the uh usage in million BTUs the also you can get kilowatt to but bilding BTUs you turn that in uh turn that into BT into you know why would that change very much it doesn't uh per year per year what we used in uh in uh BT it's what we use in wattage and BTU when the wat changes the amount changes when when what Chang well for every year you use so many um million BTUs yeah the number seems to be going down from 2017 to the present y uh it's the same street light this just street lights right and you can see where we did it because because here's the 80 oh that's right because we because they were replaced yeah okay got it okay so uh here's this look so probably in the middle of this year and then now it's pretty it is pretty constant I see so the new lights versus the the old lights were up through 17 and 18 18 and then sometime during 19 we Swit so overall got it um when I take the total dollars we spent uh and divide by the BTUs the dollars per BT the dollars per kilowatt hour I guess is what we had Ed cost per kilowatt hour is what you ended up with that's 14 cents uh was it 14 went down 13 up to uh 50 and it gone up to 39 so so okay is the price is going up and the electric up to 52 yeah uh not 52 where is it coln 26 24 so you you take the amount we use each year and subtract the amount that we use next year to get the change mhm the next change the change and then I multiplied the change by the value per kilowatt hour MH to come up with what the value of the change was so that's a total value I think someone from the utility sent us a note and said it was about $117,000 and that's that's what I pretty close I me um okay I I I think I'll have I have to look at these numbers a little bit just to make sure I understand I'll give it to you I think I know what you're doing um I mean another wouldn't another way to look at it simply be um to you could you can quantify how much we've saved in kilowatt hours and then just multiply that by the price I mean I don't know whether you'd want to use the cost of that year or the cost that currently is or maybe the cost of the Year depending on where you are in in uh Mei it'll give you the kilowatt hours as a result or it'll give you the um BTUs either way you call it's amazing how I I I check them all the time I say that can't oh Jesus it is right um you know I check my own myself against it so but but Mii does have some quirks you know you'd prefer to see kilowatt hours here and not have to turn it at the BT you turned it into kilowatt hours right what they publish is million btu which I converted to kilowatt hours because I have uh a dollar value for kilow per kilowatt hour the whole system you know when I take all the usage of electricity that we had for for the for the year and divide by the total kilowatt hours that's the value that I end up with so that's how I establish the value of cost per kilowatt hour for each year so you take the difference in difference in uh cost and the difference in um usage and accumulate them and you end up with a 7 $166,000 saved and we would have spent 51 instead of 35 if we hadn't done it now that's something I I'm I'm trying to put it in a graph why are there any savings like from 2016 to 2017 I don't know the the value of the uh of the um first of all we did did hadn't done the lights then probably hadn't done them yet so you're calling this a base isn't the Baseline earlier though this is the base yep isn't it earlier than 2016 well the base for purposes of the of the street lights is going to have to be 2016 cuz I did not record them separately prior to that M there's zeros usage zero doll before that so when they started to recort it that is that's a good point that this is the only one we had to do that with but we didn't do anything in 2017 particularly so for some reason that's the beginning of the data not the beginning of the activity yeah the activity was was someplace in here right you can see that uh kilowatt hours you'd go down I don't know what this was but this was definitely our work and I guess is some way halfway through the year is put in the new good y but uh I think that's real yeah and that's just the streight lights never in mind the you know there's what 110 street lights there must be I don't know how many hundreds of street lights are you school not street lights street lights inside in the hall um yeah I'm going to try to put that in a graph and and so you can see the the drop in and then with a dollar value hopefully that'll be something that we can display in the in the uh m plan um okay so this is what it looks like the data that you download from Mei I could share this download the data it looks like this and they present it alphabetically then they give use and then cost use and cost use and cost you know for each one and and you can't add them up that way you can't add columns or anything you have to sort them by use and cost and then then go back these are all um no value uh input don't know why maybe they uh this this just the schools m mhm but for our purposes the only ones that we needed to record were um the Haw on Brook and and Spalding so I brought those over to a separate sheet close this [Music] file oh just before I go to the separate sheet this is the uh Town same thing so each line is uh for El Highway Department they've got diesel C use and cost electric use and cost when you sorted when I selected the year and I selected fiscal years so it would sort of match up with whatever they have on the books here um then for the highway department diesel Electric gas so cost is zero that's where because it's not the track or whatever the library they actually put in zeros um I didn't I this these zeros were already here yeah when when I went to the next step I had I I actually put I put a zero value in here so I have both but it's that's what it is there no value so um and they don't add anything up this is all just uh you know numbers from straight from the so you're trying to you're really spending you know making an effort on this you're trying to see if we can we we already know that we've saved a certain amount in terms of energy usage but we don't know what it is in cost that's right I think citizens won't be that improved if we tell them we say oh look it we saved uh you know 100,000 kilowatt per year right does mean well the percentage is nice a percentage would be nice but you can't get that unless you accumulate the years of savings M you know and it's going to be different every year because the C new cost is going to be applied to the sa to the saved units right each year and when you when you so there the savings increase over the year the value per kilowatt hour you say we suppose 10,000 kilowatt hour is the first year it's all the same uh like the street lights your savings going to show up from then on but it accumulates what you mean because the price is going up so yeah the price is going up but right and then does this uh calculation that you're trying to do let's see is it yeah it has to take into account the increasing price we may be spending more money because of higher prices but we're saving we're spending less than we would have how do you show it well if if the cost per unit which is what happened with you'll show in a second happened with natural gas we know we we reduced our we we reduced our usage I separated natural gas from the oil mhm and then I combined them so see what the combine would be because cuz you didn't heat the building without oil one way or another you know one way or another the BPU and there also seems to be oh I guess I me forgot to mention there's also an error perhaps it's a striking thing the base year we get to talk let me talk about that when the time comes instead of now I've taken this database was um basically I ended up trying to figure out you know if I I put it put in what what I consider to be the the list price for the for the gas and oil mhm the list price you know ret residential from and it's from that source that government Source these values all come from that government source and I tried to model them to see if you know it would would would work and and it didn't I I I put into um for Value that being the list price I was going to put in a for this sheet it's figured at 5% discount on the truck delivery and a 12% discount on the tech delivery that made up numbers I have no no idea but when you make a change to this it changes the whole you know changes all the other numbers right um I if you if you want any suggestions on you know if you share the spreadsheet with me or send send me a copy of it yeah yeah I what I'm trying to do hard for me to do what I'm trying to do is help you understand what the how the spreadsheets are constructed so that when you look at it you won't have to you know re figure that yeah right I will send you a copy yeah um so that was just just the oil one and I ended up giving up on it end up giving up on it because because just whatever these values are is going to affect you know these these period values that's supposedly the savings but you know I don't know uh depends on what you care for yeah there's one thing I'm just trying to make sure it maybe you know i' have to be really getting the numbers to even formulate the question but I just want to make sure I understand so let's just take something where let's take out the complication of not knowing the actual amount spent like let's take Natural G either natural gas or electricity um which are things we have money dollar values and usage right so if let's say n let's let's take electricity we talking about if we if we know we've saved this many kilowatt hours relative to the Baseline the Baseline is 2010 or there abouts both of it so every year 2011 2012 2013 for each of those years we could this this um data tells us how much we save by our energy conservation efforts that's what we're trying to get um course there behaviors weather right all kinds of things we we can't account for theoretically some adjustment for weather like it I don't know how accurate it is but it does take into account that if this year was colder makes an adjustment or does it not do that this doesn't this is just what we use straight there is a weather adjusted estimate of uh not usage because that's what we use weather adjusted estimate of your savings um of uh in in um uh emissions right to do the emissions one they they just figured out the BTUs that you've used of everything gasoline even you know that's why that's why they have um the electric in BTUs because BT user use is the master is a common common fuel to all kind of energy statement right so they this is the energy that you this is the BTUs that you put out and the the vtus for each entity you know gas diesel would have a higher emissions level than natural gas so they they'd be all calculated so these are your emissions based on the amount of um that you've used and and for each year they've made an made a a weather adjustment it's it's kind of a complicate it can be done by hand but it's a kind of a complicated you know set stuff and um that's what they that's what they give you I haven't tried to calculate the thermal um you know the emission side of it okay so we left with that aside so theoretically each year the our our usage of energy should be less than the base year but it might be messed up by weather we'll have to it could by weather um people's interactions with the the system um I I thought Co would reduce the electric uses it did not I don't know why it it's a puzzle to me if it didn't have kids in school why are you still you know burning the same amount of electricity I could not comprehend that unless you know maybe maybe the teachers went in there and you know taught from the school or maybe there were some students I don't know but but the you get down we're talking about it without looking at it let's look at the look at this so what I've got from I had to re Shuffle things around but uh from the download but this is basically the stuff that I got from the download right this is what you get from the download and this stuff over here and anything that's colored I've added I've inserted so that I could do calculations and stuff so you can see from from the coloring that this there's filters in here too um this is actually much wider than that but we'll not go to all of it um all right so first one was um diesel back to I want to go set that up like that set this up like this okay good there hi those are that's the whole thing all right so um just for the diesel you total up the usage that's just the formula sub total mm and um we did it kind of um I did it as a dynamic uh thing so that this total if you wanted to say okay let's take out the take out the uh water department select all let's just just try to do the water department instead of everything on oh we get a void value at the end this is just all the water department stuff you just wanted to focus on something okay say we wanted to do everything but the water theart what does that do water department so we're going to oh we going see um everything except the water department the water department there that would probably reduce it by 500 compy now you've got a new Total without the water company so and that's all the way across no water company so you can you can get a look at um I did that mostly so we could separate the schools get the schools and the um I didn't even to do that select all that's that's just um I couldn't get any values on on the diesel but all right so next was gasoline same thing if you wanted to take out the police department you know you could or just just focus on some group rather than the rest um the next one is uh electric this is the the most fascinating one in this line it's calculation cuz we made it colored MH uh that is this is the sum of all this m there it is right there5 and if you wanted to look at that we get down to the end here this is the fascinating one all right so $174,000 savings accumulative oil accumulative [Music] um savings that's with a filter on so we're going to select [Music] all it's more than that $319,000 in electric signs M the way this is done I put the labels over here so just the column labels sum of all electric use all facilities that's the sum of the use from here to here okay so change in use versus base here so this this this minus the base here I named that cell base here equals this of course zero okay this minus this equals this this this equals this yeah right down the line okay so most years with it looks like 2011's an exception we were lower than the base Year we're not really we don't know if it's because of weather or whatever but just looking at the your numbers each of those years we have a savings you're going to have some some estimate of in dollars how much a kilowatt hour is worth that year okay no here it is here this is the value what we've done is we've taken j47 which is the uh sum of electric value dollars that we spent mhm M and you're dividing it by the K by the j59 which is the usage and there a number you now you know how much you spend per kilow it may have fluctuated over the year whatever but that's an average that's an average so we call it average so given that average and we know we saved so many kilowatt hours therefore we saved right and so same same routine as before for each year you do that you take this year this amount minus this amount equals that amount this amount minus you know it's this amount this amount minus that amount equals that or actually what you're doing is you're you're taking you're adding this and this I think you're not really yeah you're adding basically number but you got to show the change separately right so we this is the change from here mhm so the B this is the accumulative change just the change for that year this this is the change for the period This is a change for the year and uh this this this reads all the way across the same I just copied that formula across to this is the 2024 value which I've just copied this now I think if you simply summed that this row above you you should get the same number or not I think so you would you would yeah uh yeah what you try there it is 319 3358 right down here yeah yeah all right okay so that's electricity that was that was the best one natural gas was was a  CU you I did it do it done the same way right there's there's H some issues here all right hathon Brook and uh Spalding look at the use of gas this is the this is the use of gas in 2011 and this is how much we got in 2010 it is possible because we had a lot of oil we use less oil and more here right I took the thermal value of this oil and turned it into BTUs and I turned that into therms CU because with um with natural gas because I have the the total value that we spent in the year and the total amount that we used I was able to determine the cost per K per um per THM yeah the uh cost used cost per therm is uh where did I put [Music] that didn't that down there the value per therm going to be where right there oh here it is right there that's a value for natural gas that is uh this number divided by this number MH all right and same each time so the cost stayed very close but actually went down a little bit here and up down up down up up [Music] up all the way up to 137 most recently but it goes up and down you know you got got where went down and um okay so when you when you take all all the that uh together this $137 divided by the 60 cents whatever it is it's um what is it there 59 cents double oh actually double yeah that um so so overall you know when you take the accumulated supposedly savings the value change is is uh is almost a million dollars that's the changing value is almost a million MH um that is not accounting for oil H now it is terms of heat all right so there's the oil what I did here is different most cases I I put the U the the the the calculations of value and stuff underneath the thing where oil is concerned I I instead of putting it underneath putting all this stuff under underneath oil I put it above oil so connect it to gas CU they are connected they're both for heat yeah and uh I got one explanation line in here it says uh oil input uh accounted for by converting oil usage to therms like natural gas and applying the known period value of natural gas to those therms and but iot so that's explains to you what's going on here you got use natur of gas use of oil convert it to BTUs convert BTUs to therms Cal the value based on uh the gas gas BTU value per per therm and uh some of oil therms combination value of both the thms and both the oil now this is where I've combined them both to oil and gas mhm this is the therms of the combined oil gas so is that what's and this is the value of that combination you take the the total here and multiply it by this uh 88 88 by 96 right correct and then um that gets copied all the way over hopefully I did the same thing all the way over yeah um so it looks like like our us our energy usage for heat went up is that at least for some years it did but um you certainly that we we had involved uh oil and oil is oil is 138 500 BTUs per gallon uh a THM is 100,000 BTU so you his there was ultimately a savings in in you know if you that method got me a $116,000 saving I got a feel with like five times that but it's I mean it's kind of a Dro in the bucket compared to electricity what we say because because the the electricity is is I think real savings the oil is hard to DET lot assumptions hard to determine and and I don't have enough control of the variables yeah thinking I mean I'm not I only vaguely get what you did but um I'm not sure about that thing with the uh converting to therms and assuming the cost per therm would be the say the cost per therm or whatever units you want wouldn't be the same for oil and gas there's no reason to think it would be the same well you could you could perhaps use an interpretation that says um gas oil is 38.5% more efficient uh U more capacity per gallon than than a unit of but I think we already accomodated that by the um there are by the way I seen online values for oil as low is 132,000 it's only six but you know it's every little piece at up if I used 132,000 instead of 138 500 you know I know as as because one of the one of the other one of the things that's missing that you accommodated because we're measuring inputs we're not measureing outputs is that um oil when you when you burn it is only like 80% efficient right but but the same can be set of gas I mean I don't know how whether they had a high efficiency boiler or not probably not they've replaced them with high efficiency boilers but not back in the day and so I don't know if if you can make a an adjustment based on that I I decided at some point that I had to settle for for measuring and rating inputs that's the information that I have inputs now if you spread out like 2010 over a few years that reduces the base year right I don't want to do that so I had if you reduce the um reduce the BTUs per gallon of oil you also reduce reduce it right right no I just yeah I me again I'd be happy to see if I can well I'm gonna give you the the base data that I haven't uh but what I did I had to separately download town and schools and they looked the same they were set up the same the way I did so I would I would Pace the schools onto the town so it's just a continuous list both schools of town and they're identified by the labels these labels were provided by them um and you can you know mess with it but I'll go to give you this cuz an awful lot of work is not here that you wouldn't have to repeat if you understood you know the way this is uh working yeah but as far as estimating the dollar savings associated with oil I would think coming up with some sort of average price of oil in a given year there must be data on that you know would be at least a reasonable I tried there are there is data for the retail price I told you yeah we I don't know I I can't can't believe that you know the retail price you know I figed maybe 5% discount from the retail price for towns and because they know they're going to get paid you know it's not a big deal it's on a regular schedule you know sort of thing it it's not a pain in the ass to deal with the town it isn't they pay and the has to deal with the individual homeowner who may not pay you or who what you know so I figured town would probably get a discount of some kind off of retail don't know but probably then the um oil side when you when you go into tanks I don't know you you deliver 10 houses worth of you know buy houses worth of oil with one stop one setup got to be worth something 12% 20 I don't know got to be worth something yeah I did come up with in in this number that I came up with here there is no discount allowed I just use the value of um the values of uh the natural gas to replace the thms with natural gas rather than oil um it might be a calculator you do U the relationship of the units 100,000 BTUs of oil would be less than a gallon so be that portion of a gallon cost that you could associate with that right but maybe that's it that oil well has a very high Val high value for for gallon but B per gallon but it's a uh oh something we can you can keep thinking about and um yeah the other so let's get to the other part of this yeah we only have I don't know what time it is all right so I'll send you I where we end this is I explain those things to you as best I can in this time and uh I'll send you this file and the data file before it was messed with um you can figure out your own this you want I get to now oh the plan edits yeah I took a look at the goals you did is kind of relocate and combine and uh simplify exactly and I don't have any problem with any of it I tell you that I have seen and I I've only seen once and it was 6 months ago that the state was going to go to 30 3% instead of 30% here I don't know oh okay we can double check if there's been any update what the goals are more ambitious goal this is this is the heavier section of it uh yeah let me do I still have that open yeah I think there were only like four pages where I made now what I what I sent you I S I haven't changed any of the words but um I made it a little more um easy to see what I did because I I put it in terms of comments see now I've got it you can actually print this I by the way I have a printed copy I don't know there anyon I think some some of those comments I did write in as an adaption yeah once [Music] um you're not at the beginning here you're up at the page what uh page three this is Page Three so I this was more editorial I wasn't intending to change the meaning I made a copy of Page Three uh if you want I got actually did I had to go through the frustration of using this crappy Canon printer that I have at home well I bought a new printer yeah yeah I did what you did what you suggested I got one of those that you has a big thing oh yeah yeah yeah you got to go with that so I complain about the C this is the only page I don't have oh this is the goals we treated yeah I I might have forgotten to tell you I might have forgotten that I had edited me and edit on that page all right page 32 three page three I don't even have a page three so all right yeah I just felt like the way it's the way it's worded now is it's kind of throws in kind of everything having to do with the environment you know we're going to address climate change and air water noise light and all environmental pollution you know that's good I got it I got it that sounds good yeah I guess I still say all those things but I put it a little different all right so these are good um yes we after page three I think the next thing was like 52 or something page 32 you just just should change the title uh right right that was minor but yep minor but there and the rest of this happens oh climate mitigation goals 52 yeah I'm okay with the deletion you you you've taken I think she had to she had to fill in lot of fluff there so I think you did the right thanks um more substantive stuff and then you can't really see my comments but that's in the when you read it on the in the PDF file I just they were just comments like you know this isn't necessary or whatever you know so that one you s to goals uh right this I would say the goals would go right here at the beginning of the section and then you know I left in some of the things about the Community College having wind turb that's interesting I [Music] guess I think this paragraph that you I think you wanted to you you you your plan was to delete it right uh and it's not going anywhere else energy Comm yeah I just felt like um well well because it's saying we're in the planning stages of an energy master plan well I'm instead of that I'm I'm putting in the energy master plan yeah where do we want to leave in some reference to our I don't I thought I I think it's the uh the next paragraph that I thought may make sense one on energy efficient lights or that we've replace the lights yeah oh well I I um I put in something instead I just changed it to the better language I thought not you that's not on this one well it was in a comment that's why it's better this way write it yeah yeah so that's what I propos how I proposed to say it yeah okay good it's replaced all right then and I can send this up there yeah like the update um and then here I don't if you saw that I made this change um just adaptation hand mitigation regulations I did see that I did that and this is the same page but I I made my notes on the next one all right invation oh right see you had I had written some stuff in here I think you're showing what I I had an insertion kind of down below here the sound should take did you make a change to that again yeah you did yeah it's actually here so it would be another bullet so it be the bullet would just be this one sentence then another bullet which would be renewable energy really just I'd like to see that one all together yeah and uh yeah I I I don't think there's no problems with anything so this is doing what we we can um communicate this with um it juliia Jessica Jess Jess Jess and Salvo uh you may be upstairs and she is the I always F go with land use and as far as I know the BR administrator works for her uhhuh and why the grant administrator isn't involved here I don't is there a grant administrator yeah right I I have we we' covered this you're going to send me a copy Stu I'm going to send you a copy then all right and next thing on our agenda is the um topic not expected by the sh all right um where am I going I'm going here I received a notice regarding a grant um Grant stuff and you know it's just there there there's a lot to it it's like you decide who to send it to and I I believe it's a grand administrator's job but do you know it's I thought we didn't have a grand [Music] do they keep they keep uh trying and and in one minute that I get told there isn't one and the next minute I see there's one being paid so you know I I don't know what to say with that one I'm looking for the email that I got [Music] was it maybe was a text all right so I'm not going to take any more time ago we that follow maybe it is further down this is all today I'm trying to find a te find a text a email or text that I received Tech email Green community grant program they I got a a notice from the Green community program that you know there's a new program getting started and you know you need to organize and all this stff and it's beyond me Beyond this committee yeah honestly it's it's probably Beyond towns and we're not organized to to take advantage of this stuff that's really a big point right now um you know the the grant the uh rise didn't finish the last job if a grant administrator had been on that maybe we would have a job finished do you know what happened with there I I'm not sure I do well we when they they did this um retrofit thing Retro Retro study and they apparently made recommendations oh I don't think I've seen them recommendation yeah they did I seen the whole um they made recommendations and one of the recommendations was that they we we insulate this you know uh one of these cooling systems like we did in the schools MH and it wasn't done so Frank sends me an email it says I the first one said I think the that the uh utilities may have a problem with not working L you know with this not being done they won't let you close out this item this grin and what so I sent him an email he says do you mean we can't finish in time he says he comes back and says um because this is done you will be able to go on yeah we won't be able as we take we have he sent me the contract which was dated 2023 dated 2023 it's like they knew this had I don't know what the date means if that was dated in 2023 and sent off to us to sign where was it all this time you know and that's an administrative issue um so what what had to be done that one thing I thought the study had to be done but you're saying the study found that there was there was that recommendation that had to be implemented it had to be implemented before they before they could close out that Grant how would the uh how would that be implemented like where would the money to do that come from unless it was trivial like you know I don't know I know you know this is this is stuff that a grant administrator would have ared I'm not a grant administrator right I have a limit as to the amount I'm barely up to doing this as it is you know so I I just don't want to be into this every day yeah this is if this is an everyday thing that's a job you know not a right I don't know I'm not connected well enough to town hall you know you Kathy Kathy would seems to me she knew more about what goes on in town hall than than I did so I was kind of relying on her and Brent for years to to know who to contact or whatever but I think there the amount of opportunity has swoll to a degree that we're going to lose if we don't you know jump on it because a lot of the stuff is done for you you're looking around say there's nobody to do that well the grant provides the $10,000 to bring the guy in to do this you know like and all you got to do is is open the door you know um or make some decisions along the way but we we're not in position to take advantage of those things and Teresa's been sick she hasn't been she's got medical thing she hasn't she I sent her so when I sent her a Cofe she says I'm not in the office I'm you know have a medical issue oh and so that's what I've been getting from her we we're not supported I guess let's do the best we can you know well what's WR we that our work saved $300,000 at least yeah more like to double that but yeah I was actually going to bring up this is a lot of work and then who's going to see this and what what do we want to do with that information at least communicate with the board of Selectmen they're the ones I think I think uh for purposes of the of the master plan what I had in mind was coming up with some sort of a graph two of them one that shows you know the lights because it's simple to understand you change the bulbs and this is what happens you save you know3 $16,000 over a few years MH and we've been doing this all over to with all the buildings so um you you you come up with a graph make it simple saying savings lights $116,000 here's the graph you know we here no all previous lights new lights you know it's simple understand it be be a graph that you can put into the master plan color you know whatever um and uh the overall savings it gets a little trickier because all these freaking interpretations and you know going on I mean ultimately if we could come up with a reasonable way to make an estimate you know may be that the O I'm just guessing here but the oil is probably a relatively small piece of it so you know if if our assumptions are somewhat inaccurate it may not make much difference but if we we make a you know a credible effort to estimate it and we explain it somewhere with some footnotes you know that's what I tried to do and you know we can come up with an overall number well we can it's you know we come up with a reasonable I haven't done it yet I haven't come up with a reasonable you know explanation and we come up with a huge loss anyway because the price of of gas went up if even if we had used the same the price would have gone up right a lot but if we hadn't done anything the price would have gone up you know it's just way the increasing price Mak savings valuable right maybe you come up with an idea another fresh eyes on it will you know be healthy yeah all right so that was the last thing that I had it was uh under um not previously you know available that you know we're seeing opportunities that I think were under staffed as a town not just as a committee to deal with and right now we've got two active members right two active members right and and we don't even have OAS on to the the board right so I guess we do the best we can yeah she she's going a report to the to the board that you know as far as I know they had a meeting you know um all right and our next uh scheduled uh we have reserved the board Chambers for October 16th for our next meeting would you consider that date yeah um I might have an issue with that just we're we're thinking of going away and we haven't decided when yet and it could very well be that week so if you decide that let me know as soon as you can and we'll Reserve I I I think the board Chambers works out better for us because we can you know use use the you know thing um but with only two of us we don't really need it yeah you know it has to be this room that's fine um uh so yes I'm going to go with that for now and if you let me know we'll change the date yeah and the time is currently 8:16 we have a motion to adjourn you're motioning all right motion we adjourn second favor yes I [Music] you J