Good evening. This is Tuesday, October 28th. Um, calling the Towns and Finance Committee meeting to order at 7:01 p.m. Um, roll call. Attendance, please. >> Carol, present. General is present. Mary
Jane Church, present. >> Kathleen Spafford, present. >> Damn Grant, present. Don Hayes, present. That is six out of the seven members. So we have a quorum. We are good to continue with the meeting. Um this
meeting is being recorded. Um it will be um played back on uh the local channels either 8 or 9 and um it will be available on the Towns and News YouTube channel. Also um at this
time is there anyone else recording um this meeting? nothing being heard. Um it is it violates the open meeting law if you are reporting it and you didn't speak up. So we will assume that nobody is recording and we're not violating open meeting
law. >> We would be violating they would be >> what if they're regular people they would be violating. >> Yes. If they don't announce it um it it's a violation of the old meeting law. >> That was something I picked up in the training right that we had. Yeah. Okay.
>> So, how do they analyze a resonant or >> Yeah. If somebody records it and and posts it and sends things around and it wasn't from the official um recording, it was from their recording. Um that's
the violation would be written against them. >> Yes. We would have to do that. But I that's just >> Yeah. I shall come and take you away to Salvador. Well, Deb is really high on the list.
>> Okay. Um, next item on the agenda. Um, September um, that will be >> September 23. >> Oh, I didn't know the date. Sorry. >> I just looked.
>> Make a motion to accept September 23rd minutes. >> Okay. Okay, we got a motion and a second. Um, any discussion? Any other comments on the minutes?
None being heard. All in favor? >> I >> I all opposed. Passes unanimous or everybody was unanimous.
Uh item six, discussion on restructuring committee. >> Didn't we already do this? >> No, we didn't, but we want to make sure everything is good. >> Okay. >> Confirmed. >> Okay. Actually, we wanted to do that because
we're worried about you. I have been I other than a few things um then and I was busy um my computer has been down >> and so it's been late so I've been very
quiet um I I just got it back and and up and running. I have not even logged in to my Bincom account so I suspect there's quite a bit of backup in there. >> Oh, okay. So I apologize for that.
>> Okay. >> These days um with computers. >> So you want to continue? >> We we can continue as as we are. Okay. And like um if if everybody is is good with that as >> Yeah. We just were worried about you because we hadn't heard and nothing came
through. >> Right. And I haven't I haven't even come up then to visit anybody in town hall. It's kind of like so >> right. You were like >> Yeah. No, there there were some some personal things. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you're good.
>> And I should Yeah. Yep. It's kind of like because I I know I I do owe um some things and it's not specific to this, but um um so it's it's kind of like um
and I'm just looking to see if it's we'll we'll get to it. is kind of like I I haven't even emailed at time to um to get Earth Health to um work on their numbers. >> Oh, >> I I had
presented them something and I haven't been able to. >> They're back up and running. It's it's loading now. So I can I can access things and things that were destroyed and miss missing there have been reconstructed.
>> Okay. >> All right. That's good to know. >> Okay. So at this point um there is no action to be taken. We're going to continue. >> Yes. Okay. Next item. report from Carol Offus on the
U MMA um plans committee. >> Did you enjoy it to begin with? >> Um for the most part, the commute was not great, but for the >> Sorry, Carol. You said we get on and
>> we couldn't but um Cindy was there. >> Okay. >> Oh, good. Oh, she was >> she she attended um well overall it was pretty good. I met a lot of different people from different towns. So >> um so that was a good part of it. Um
>> that's always fun. >> Yeah. Finding you know all the other everybody's moves >> which is very similar to ours, right? >> Um in some cases yes, some cases no. >> Yeah. >> I was going to say
combination between small towns and and big cities. >> Yeah. So, yeah, there was Yeah. So >> um yeah, basically there was this guy from the state, you know, got
up and talked about um state aid and how in um how the um the um the lack of state aid, I should say. >> Oh, >> you know, and talked about, you know, >> you mean to the towns?
>> Yes. state aid in that Massachusetts is really is one is lagging behind most of the country and providing state aid to their cities and towns. >> Oh a reason. Did he give a reason? >> No, they don't get into No, they don't
get into reason but they said that that um they were probably the lowest one of one one of the very lowest in providing state aid to their cities and towns. them very bad. >> Unfunded mandates.
>> Unfunded mandates. >> And so that was >> unfunded mandates. >> That's normal for the state. >> Yeah. >> But anyway, >> so that was just a very short little blurb going over, you know, you know,
don't expect a lot of state aid coming your way basically. So then, you know, because you're not going to be getting a lot of state aid, then you know, you need to think about where you do your finances, you know, how that's going to play into it. Um, >> does that mean for the schools too in
the transportation? >> Everything basically, >> but everything >> they just cut out, what program did they just cut out for people not shying, but >> the staff? Oh my god, that's much better. But nonetheless,
>> federal funded And there is some reimbursement. >> That's criminal state. Yeah. >> And your kids. >> Now there were a couple of tracks. Did you go to the finance 101 or
>> Yeah, I went well then I had a little talk of the federal funding updates from Massachusetts and how the federal >> government is probably withholding some funds um from the state. So then the state has to do something with that. Um
but then again somebody during that um somebody some from a community that I guess did not approve the MBTA >> act got up and said well the states withholding funds from us
>> because we didn't comply. >> Oh really? So anyways, um those are just short little things. And then I did the budgeting 101 >> uh workshop >> and um >> was that helpful?
>> Somewhat. It was somewhat helpful, but the whole point of it was the I I forget what GFO stands for, but this GFO um provides a distinguished budget award.
or to organization >> to towns >> if you and then they went through the 15 best practices. So, in order to get this award, you have to do, you know, do these 15 best >> do that. And uh and
>> doesn't that sound fun? >> But, you know, I mean, during this whole thing, I mean, some of it applies, you know, have a, you know, your financial policy documents and then your bylaws. And he he did point out one good thing.
And when you're going through like free cash and uh you know they have some towns have policies and and I haven't I didn't really look at our policy. I know we have in byws but he says you know usually in the bylaws and policies and
there's something in there about how much free cash can be spent so and stabilization and he goes he says follow those policies. you know, he says he says don't let the town get up and vote
all your you know. >> So he's like if your policy says you know 10% free cash then that's it. Then you can get up at town meeting and say our policy is that we're following our policy and this is what we can do.
That's I was going to say just recently I started to jot down and that's some of the things that I said free cash we haven't talked about what do we do with free cash you know x% goes to stabilization x% goes to
>> capital stabilization% go >> do we have a polic >> we don't and I don't believe we have a policy we should talk >> on on budgeting policy we should get a little little review the policies we
have and the bylaws we have to see if we need to tweak them because we do have a policy and we do have bylaws. So, we just need to >> we do it's kind of like uh the budget policy. >> But Carol, where's that list of things that you >> practice? Best practices. You said they
were >> I can um I'll send you the slides. >> Oh, okay. That'd be great. Yes. >> Yeah. Um, and then I I did not go to the healthcare budget. >> That's very good idea.
>> And I didn't go to the tail of three or two or three overrides. I went to the revenue and expedites >> because you lived >> in in one year. So, and so I decided to go to the the revenue and expenditure forecasting,
which I sent you in an email >> because I thought that was helpful because they were talking about a five-year plan and I did send you the spreadsheet. This this was Arlington because the speaker was from Allington
and he kind of did the um five-year spreadsheet >> and um and he's got like and I did send it out. He's got the list of columns and like he said, you know, you got two and a half% it's going to go, you know,
down. So he's though he you could do it though our select would doesn't like to do it but >> um >> but why can't we do it just cuz they don't get I think that's something we we >> I mean it's been recommended for a while
>> it's been recommended for a while for a >> while something before my daughter was born >> and I have forwarded copies to the past two >> um administrators then nowhere so It's kind of like fool. >> Yeah.
So, so he just gave he just went through this basically this five years price sheet >> and had the list of categories and then you know >> what's on the other side like detail
>> detail but um >> so I thought this was worth while >> when he was going through this and I said yeah it's not that it's not that hard It's just basically collecting the
data and just populating it, >> right? >> Yeah. I mean, you know, you you collect your contracts. What's the raises for well um department heads? What's the raises for the secretary union? What's the firefighter union? What's the police
union? Put those percentages in, add them, and you know what your increases are. >> Yeah. No one at all. >> You can get there. And then if it's more than 2 and 1/2 that means your expenses can't go up by as much as 2 and 1/2 program and DLS that we can use or
>> No, this was DS has one. >> DLS have one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This is the guy from this >> but that's a good >> because he gave the he gave the so he this is all money.
>> Yeah. So it a lot of >> self-explanatory too. Yeah, pretty clear. >> Yeah, it's not hard to read. >> Not bad at all. >> So, we you can um and I'll just add in because I Googled it here. Um the GFO is
government finance officers association. >> So, it's just an organization. >> Yeah. It's not a >> Yeah. It's it's another organization like MMA like the >> Yeah, but wouldn't it be nice if we got a distinguished award that we could say that >> um
>> when we implemented what Collins had done for us, we did get an award for that. >> Really? >> So if we go back, >> but it's been long. >> Yeah, we need another one. >> We Yeah, we need we need a ref. >> And that's kind of evidence that we're
doing our job, paying attention, that we care. Yeah, there were when Owens had developed it for us, it would look you would have the five-year look back as well as a 5-year look for so you could see historically what was
actual and uh when you thought you were heading. >> Very interesting, Carol. I mean, overall it was it was good. Would would you re recommend it for others or go again
if they had different >> if they had different topics? I hated the ride down here and I pray never let you go again. >> I pray I I pray that my because I have such trouble with my phone, you know, when I do GPS. >> Oh,
>> I mean the maps come up but the voice doesn't always come up. >> Yeah. So you can't >> you can't I can't look at the map and I just pray pray pray I said oh please w work because I got to go down Christopher and I do
>> I I actually carry a medal with me so you're good >> but it did it worked it because I went 495 because that's what I googled it >> and but once you get off 495 you got to take all these twists and turns to get there
>> but then when I went to come home I plugged it in and it did. The voice came but cuz I didn't really know where it was. It was taking me all these down street to the and I ended up on 95 and going home 95 which was horrible because
the traffic was like all this and I think I was at the break free split where you going to go left >> if you went down there you could have gone to one. But do they have it at the same place every year? Do you know
>> this? I think Sharon Sharon's pretty comfortable. >> Oh, really? Yeah. >> Because a lot of a lot of the the directors of the the board members all seem to come from that area. >> The south coast is pretty >> since where it's from. >> It's all the whole state.
>> The whole state. Why? >> Like on like Burlington or something. >> There was a couple of ladies from Chesterfield and I said, "Let Way west. >> Way west. >> So, did they spend the night or did they get up at 4:00?
>> They got up at >> 5. I think they left at five. >> Mass pike all the way in. >> And that's most beautiful, right? >> Oh, yeah. >> So, what is going to happen with are we
going to get the mm? Are we going to have the handbooks again or did anything change? >> Well, I didn't look. They didn't say could change. >> Yeah, if they've updated them, we should probably >> We should probably take a look. We've
got the QR code. We can we should be able to you sent it to us, right? I did. But if you want to >> I brought that in on the main frame, >> but um yeah, >> but I did send the >> we can have a soft copy, but that that would be the thing. Do we want to get
the file? Did they say you could print it? >> Um, yeah. >> Well, I mean, I could print it for my pro, >> but it's 167 pages. >> But I'm not I'm not going to print it. >> Well, yeah. That's the thing. It's kind of like last time we printed and we did it seemed to be a pretty decent break at
10 copies. Um, >> you mean for paying to pay to print to pay, >> but are they going to come out with a 2026? >> No, it seems like it's four years. The one that we just got was 2021.
>> Oh, then we should update it, I think. I really do. >> Right. Yeah, that that was the thing. We because that was the first one we printed. They gave us the 2017 and the 2021. So, that gets that four year thing. >> It's kind of like And now you've got >> So, now we have 2026.
Yeah. Yeah. >> I think we should >> I think it should be printed. >> Should I make a motion to wait? >> Yeah. >> I'd like to make >> I got it on the computer, but it's kind of easy to read that way. Can we use do we have funds? >> We we have our dues.
Thank you, Kathy. We We have the dues and >> membership >> in membership line. Um we have only spent 2016 $65 >> and your $65. So it's penalty. So, at
this point, um, if we take that 65 without, we're right at the top of page two. >> Um, that's the reserve. I'm sorry. We're at the bottom of page one. >> So, 65 266.
>> Um, >> so we still have over 67 uh 475. >> We have about Yeah. 400. >> And how much were they? >> It was I think about 197 for the 10 copies. Maybe maybe a little less. Maybe
167. I think that was last year. So we can we can quote it again. Um ask them to quote it. Um send them the file. Ask them to quote it. >> Do you think you have an option? >> We had we they um I went through Sabrina and we had them printed at Minute Man.
>> Okay. Because I was going to suggest Minute Man. Okay. I make a motion that we get the estimate >> and it's within reason that we order them because >> if it's four years, it's worth it divided by four, >> right? Yep. >> I'll check the map.
>> Um, now we did >> we did 10 last year. Should we do 15 this year? I mean, I think we maybe did the 10 because it's seven right in the committee and then if anybody else in town hall wants them >> 10. Yeah, because we still have the
electronic copy. So, >> electronic copy. So, >> and then we have three that can be given out. I think I >> I did one to town administrator. So, we do that again kind of like so there's one in town hall.
>> Can you hear? >> Yes, >> we can. It's kind of like >> and again soft copies would be available through the mall. So, and and we had posted them on the finance >> Oh, web page. Oh, good. Good.
>> So, it's kind of like So, we'll archive that and post the latest >> that page involved. >> Okay. Yes. So, we we had a motion. Did we get the second? >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Um any further discussion other than I
mentioned it's going to the website. Um, all in favor of printing and updating copies to the 2025 version. >> I suppose those opposed to me. >> No. Okay. It was unanimous.
>> Good. >> Thank you, Carol. That was very helpful. >> Good. Dan, thank you for >> donating. Yeah, it's kind of guilty. The the Panera they had Panera for lunch and
their brownies were >> so really >> Did you start with dessert first? >> And they had breakfast. >> Oh, really? No, they did. They had breakfast. So, they had quite a spread for pastries and fruit.
>> Something one thing I found was funny. They had little like little mini bagels and little cotton of cream cheese and like they had like sliced breads with butter. >> No knives. >> So So I So I just I went out, you know,
cuz it was before, you know, they actually started. But so I just ran out to one of the registration ladies and I said, "Oh, by the way, I see this like cream cheese and butter and but there's no knives."
>> And she said, "There's no knives." And I said, "So the caterer never brought knives." >> Oh, whoever whoever catered in the >> but I thought that was funny. So, >> but yeah, overall it was it was good.
And like I said, it's just sat with a bunch of different people and chitchated. So >> yeah, I I don't know how long I tried how many times I tried to get on there. And finally the day before in the afternoon, I was able to get on, but registration was closed.
>> I was like, okay, >> there was quite a few people there. >> Yeah. So next >> um can I ask that you take uh out of order number 11?
>> Yes, you can do that. Okay, we have a visitor that would >> I'm happy to stay in order or out of order. It doesn't make a difference to me. I plan on staying the whole meeting. >> Oh, turn. >> Yeah, but it might turn. >> That's all right. So, I know you put me
on here, but what is that? >> We we had a meeting >> with Nelson regarding the forms. Remember, we were going to talk about the forms. >> He wanted to have a consistent everybody has a new form. >> Yeah.
>> Nelson is told us he's working on the form. Y >> he's happy to look at anything that we come up with, but they want their own forms consistent. So, we can't do a rogue form through them,
>> right? I think he really wants to keep basically what they have but ask for more clarification. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Similar similar to the examples we had highlighted. >> And then he putting the account numbers on it. Yes, they wanted the account numbers and we
liked we liked Melissa um treasurers because she filled out >> the comments and told us why they wanted the money or why they didn't need it. >> And we Kathy and I we said that >> as far as we're concerned that's mandatory >> because the guessing game doesn't work,
>> right? Yep. No, I I agree. And if they need help with it, um they can get a detailed line report from the treasurer at the accountant's office. Um where of what has posted to that account this year,
>> the department head? >> Yeah, the department heads if they if they are having trouble with what they put in there. Um running running a report of who the vendors are that they're paid out of that account is definitely >> Yeah, we need more detail. Yeah, that's all there is to it. The vague stuff.
So I guess that we left it that Nelson was going to put together his and he was going to have it end of fairly quickly and >> well he should go the budget message goes out in December I believe have it be the end of
the month >> I thought he said the 14th it might have been the middle of the month Jerry you might be right but he's working on it >> well that's good >> is he going to provide us a copy of a form or something to look at. Okay.
>> And Okay, good. >> So, we'll just I think we might have to nudge them. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> At least it's progress moving forward. That's something that the
department can >> be valuable tool. It's Yeah, it it's kind of like um and again, you know, some of some of it Yeah. like how things are
things are running through my head with >> with all the well with all the accounting because >> um someone in accounting has told you that we don't typing isn't following the
typical um numbering scheme for the accounts >> really >> well that's a surprise there's there's some standardization um followed how the number the series of numbers that are created. I mean we ultimately
in the beginning yes the 01 01 02 >> and then the department number and and it it gets further out um that some of the numbers may need to be um we may need to work department to by department
make sure we're consistent and using the right numbering in each department. >> Melissa bring that up last at our meeting last year. She was working on >> trying to uniform that. >> Yeah. She wanted to use the that one number instead of the three-digit number
that some of them were using. She wanted to use the big one. >> Yeah. And and that's easy that's easy to get again because with the accounting system, you can um everything that we have here in the BBA can be dumped to an Excel file. And once you've done it in
the Excel file, it's you can you can just create it. and copy it into in um >> No, that's not true. Not everyone can do that. >> That's true.
>> You should be able to easily copy it from one to another cell file. >> I guess the question is we are going to get Nelson's new >> revised. We're gonna review it and then >> and it
all come or make a recommendation. Make recommendations. >> Next meeting. >> We don't know any that's >> I mean if we like it the way it is so we can say we like it the way it is. >> Yeah. I we're not trying to be renegades here.
>> And I think that might have been their initial reaction that we want to change all the diet formats. That's not the truth. We wanted a form that we could work with that everybody had the same identical information in the same place at the same time
>> and that will make the other job which is creating the omnibus easier this consistency in those documents >> last year I thrown them all away but recycled them all >> but some of the forms were totally you
know I couldn't even read them with my glasses on they were the typing was so small And again that's for yeah the format of the output is very important and I think >> um for that inconsistency in sizes I
think is printing >> um 11 by 17 so you can fold it in half and you've got the full instead of trying to shrink a lot of columns into an 8 and 1 half by 11 piece of paper and that's why they're so small. So formatting is important. Um, so it's
it's not just what the the form of the Excel files are, it's how they're output into the budget. >> Mhm. >> And those notes are critical. >> Yeah. Right. And and I Yeah. And I think and again, they get cut off with because
they're on a the notes are on a far right column and so it's it's it is potentially they get off. >> I've never had any problem sizing for my printing when I have to. They can help and size it. >> Mhm. So we can you know we can work on
that again that's you know it it one is content for form the other is output to the copy make sure >> I'm printing it. Okay. So we'll we'll continue on that through mid November. >> Yeah. So we'll revisit that. We'll just
get him >> as an active. Yeah. >> By the next meeting before the network meeting. >> Yeah. Thank well. Oh, it's a it's a combination meeting on the boards. >> Oh, meeting with him. >> Yeah. >> Isn't it the 19th? >> I thought it was a board teams. >> I thought I had it as >> I don't even know about it.
>> It's the one that's with um the schools. >> Oh, the finance that that new finance committee or new finance team. >> November 19th. >> November 19th. >> Yeah, it's on a Wednesday, I believe. Okay. Yeah, it's my brother's birthday.
So, but no, >> where is that going to be? >> It's probably virtual if it's a school or a school coming in just for us or are they doing the whole district? >> I think it's all three towns, wasn't it? >> I think it's either at the high school
or school. >> Yeah, they've done that before. >> Um, they've done virtuals. >> If our next meeting is supposed to be November 11th, that's a holiday. Just >> holiday. What's the holiday on the 11th? tomorrow.
>> Yep. >> Can we hang >> presentation? >> Yeah, it was going to be um the assessor of the assessor of the office of the treasur the collector. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
That's what >> should we Oh, I don't know what time or anything on the 19th. >> It was hasn't been confirmed. I guess that's what they were thinking. >> So, we should meet before then. >> Probably more than
>> I would think we should. >> There's not a lot of time. >> No, there isn't. Well, it could have on the 12th. >> On the 12th. >> Yeah, >> it's a Wednesday, but >> it's a Wednesday. But does it make any I mean doesn't make much of a difference to me.
>> I'm okay. I'll make it work. >> Is Thursday better? >> No, I'm three of us can't make it Thursday. Thursday. >> Oh, yeah.
>> Okay. Every day. >> Armmesist day. >> So that would be Wednesday the 12th. >> 12th. Yeah. >> Okay. 12. Okay. >> Wednesday night the 11th >> Wednesday what's on the 12th >> the 19th
>> 9 a.m. >> for the school Wednesday for us. >> Yeah I Wednesday. >> I think I want to go there. >> The 12th. >> Yeah. >> Why not? >> At 6 p.m.
>> At 6 p.m. Everybody good with six? >> Six is good. >> One day the 12th 12 anyway. Yeah, near so 6 and 5 maybe >> I saw 7 a.m. 7 p.m. this morning I had a heart attack
>> with a small heart attack cuz I got a small heart attack. So >> I said where is everybody in Texas? >> Well I only accidentally caught and decided to >> check after last two weeks ago 6:00 I
had time too. I can send it. >> So, the meeting room will be determined. >> It will be determined. Um, >> number 12. >> Kind of like I got a >> Gosh, we only have two more things to do. >> Well, yeah, because we um
>> MMA handbook >> out of order without order. Yeah, >> sorry. >> That's okay. It was an item. So, we took number nine out of order and did it as part of seven. Let's call it 78. Are we still on forms?
>> I don't want to forget this one. >> The request for transfer the last two months of the year. >> Oh, it's >> okay. The request for transfer back. >> This is a long time ago on
this one. that except for what I don't see. I'd like to have that black and white, >> not gray. >> Right. >> And I don't know if it's automatically expandable or not, but there could be more room for that. >> Is that this year's or last year's? >> This is last year's.
>> Okay. >> I saved it. >> Yeah. No, no, no. I What I meant was form because I don't remember putting the towns in. >> Yes. Go ahead. Um, >> that seems to have been an updated one cuz the original one is
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's the other >> and that's one of the Greek. There's no nothing on here that says anything. >> Mhm. >> Whereas this at least he said, >> "Yeah, >> I want money and this is why I want it." >> It is. But as as we as we go and visit
this year, we want to >> this happens to be one of the teacher papers I've saved all this year because I thought it was extremely important. We were still in the discussion of >> and that's on Nelson's handling right now. >> Yeah, that's that's on um
>> um >> which form was that? It's not municipal transfer. That's >> that's the municipal. This is the municipal and and the other one is going to be um the reserve final >> um right
>> so both of those were sort of recreated this year >> um because finance committee doesn't have access to share drives so we don't know so I created something that we need to modify them so let's let's put them on the list
to review and modify and then post them in our files directly tree on um on the finance page. Then >> do we get them yet? Are they are they uploaded already? >> Well, no. I I've only
covered them kind of like so I created them this year because I took the the old ones and tried to do that. So maybe we proceed, modify them, do a little procedure that tells people how to fill them out
>> um to go along with um just the new form and do training for the department head when there's a department head meeting. >> This is what we're doing is so it eliminates the need for all the
different versions that people have hanging around. they can go to word common place, download it and edit it and update it. It's a word document. >> Um and they can use it as a template. Um the other was um
>> on the municipal transfer request, it was it was an outdated form because there were changes and if you look at this one, it says based on the codes passed on in 2016. The other one had 2008
and we were using that and those if we followed those we wouldn't be able to um do anything more than I think it was $1,000 >> on a transfer. >> So the 2016 the laws of 2016 say we can
transfer up to um the amount needed. So the other the the earlier version of the document um just it it limited what the transfers could be. So, it's kind of like, so if we were strictly following what was said on the document, we
probably some things that we shouldn't have just because the document referenced an obsolete. >> Wow. >> That's good you clapped that. Um there's I there's a few things like that that are around. Okay.
>> Um that maybe we audit with department heads like I think there there's some things in in uh in some of the other areas. >> One of the things that should happen is on the on the common drive is take off
the old forms. >> Yep. >> And replace them instead of leaving them hanging there. They have so many things on there that >> everybody might make a copy of it, bring it to their own portion on the drive and then they keep using that because that's they know.
>> Of course that's right. Pick up all the old stuff. >> All the old stuff. Yeah. >> Who do they? >> Yeah. >> Who does that? >> Um well I think >> or is that like a municipal? they have to do.
>> I I think each you um again department heads have to be instructed go delete any copies you have >> and this is the new process. >> No no no old forms will be accepted. The new form >> um will be accept the accepted form.
>> I'll admit it for right. But you you you downloaded a copy and then that's what you used and you you just >> and then oops you you went back to the wrong copy. >> Yeah. I I Yeah. I mean I can't tell you how many times I I
a town administrator did that. He copied the form and he was reusing it and it would be saved but he forgot to update the account he was driving from. So the wrong account on the form. So we had to update all the forms because they had
already been approved by another group, another committee. >> It's kind of like so we said, you know, these we accept with this with this change, >> you know, to the account. So yeah, they it's it's something that uh and I'm
guilty of. I do that. I forget to update a field or I save an old version. >> You're probably all done. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so we're trying to get better with the forms and again, um, we've created the log. These now have the numbering sequence on it. So, we have a
log. So, year over year, we can see what we did and assign a number to it so you can track it. And if somebody's looking for it, you have a log, you can go back to to actual price. Again, it's no big secret. It's just,
you know, starts with Y and the current fiscal year. Um, and then whether it's a transfer, you know, municipal transfer request, it's an MTR dash and the first one starts with 01 every year. So it's kind of like it changes fiscal year
fiscal year but um on the numbering sequence but if you ever need to have that you there's a reference to go back to and say what what did we you know what were the transfers in 24 say it's
kind of like 25 >> okay what's you get me going on something. >> I I was an ISO auditor going through >> forms and and and how you track them. How do you track a form if it doesn't have a number? Oh, it was a form. It did
this, >> right? Try to find it for me. So, it's just, you know, and and I think government same thing. It's kind of like you you have a you don't have a tracking number to go. How do you how do you know where you're going after that? I was
saying okay so >> forms okay um item 10 review and discuss BBA with new numbers if available and I can tell you there's new numbers available
>> yeah it looks like they >> well is salaries in a lot of places >> which which were empty before right >> wow some of them are 44.9% you >> um but that's professional services
>> if you well yeah 31 31 >> is that right >> yes >> so we this this would be through the end >> September end of September this would be
the end of September because we're at the end >> well because David so it's July >> oh July quarter Yeah, third quarter. >> This might include it one week into October. October. So that's one paycheck
out of. >> All right. So that might not be so bad, >> right? Yeah. >> Yeah. But if you look at the town form, that's 67%. >> Well, that's um But >> do they get paid?
>> Uh don't think we're paid. >> No, no, no, no. We don't have a town accountant. >> I know. I know. paying for.9 if you round that up 68%. Yeah. >> Right. So I think if we if we look at
that we also had to look at the um accounting professional and technical services. I think we're paying it out of the town accountant salary line and not the professional and technical services
which is the C biz. Why are we doing that? So, you know, why? Yeah, we shouldn't be we should be >> paying it on the correct line and not >> I and again it this is this is probably where we need to go. We don't have an
accountant. So, CIS has stepped up to be a full-time accountant, not just >> but they're contractor. >> They're a contractor. So, >> doing doing that function. So I think they may be paying >> but they should actually be calling it a
consultant or whatever it is. >> Okay. >> And not the town of >> Well, they um >> or transfer money from one end to the other. >> Well, and I and I think we have to do it different because that's a salary line on an expense side. We pay an invoice. We don't pay salary because that's a
lot. >> Oh, that's the wrong line. I think it's the wrong line because it'd be >> because you'd be paying payroll taxes based on that. >> Right. Right. >> But if they do that then they're overdrawn. >> Oh yeah. They they're going to be
on the 30 on the 30,000 >> on the 30,000 because they they've expended 40. >> They've expended 43 already this year. >> So it's kind of like I that's so >> we have to things we have to gonna come back. We'll buy less >> taxes that go in salary. There's taxes
that are paid on the salary. There's benefits that paid >> salaries but not on third party contracts, right? On the outsourc that would be an invoice and they would have to pay the taxes. >> It's got to be changed. They got to do it. >> I mean I I
>> it's should be in to be be coming out of the accounting professional technical services. >> Right. Right. Right. How do you They only have 30,000 allocated for that and yet they've already spent >> 43.
>> So they make them whatever we need to do to transfer the >> Can they go negative in the professional services line? Because as long as they come out okay on the bottom line. >> Um or you know, >> you could do that now, but that 35,000
for audit is going to get used up when we do the audit. Yes. Yes. Doing these kinds of mistakes. >> It is like multiplication. >> It just makes everything wrong. >> It does. >> But where would they come up with the money?
>> Well, either either you put zero >> of that bud. I mean, for the town, >> I I think I've seen the auditor in. So, some of the some of that 43 may be split between the two professional services lines. So, I think I I think I've seen the auditor in reviewing documents. So
maybe some of that money's already there. They might be reviewing the documents early cuz the audit findings is what comes out later. >> The audit findings have come out. They do >> for bill 25 >> for for FY24, >> but I think they're reviewing the books
now because that's how they get the free cash number to certify with the state. >> No, no, no, no. Not the auditor. No. >> Okay. >> No. The auditors are strictly the end of the year financial audit. they um for FY25
they will be doing it um well yeah it it's kind of like they usually we had asked them to start but they don't usually start until February or March >> this yeah this is Clark
>> yeah so this is Brazilian Clark they the for the free cash >> um I mean I talked to I talked Melissa and you know they've had the auditor reviewing documents. So I they they've had someone reviewing documents but regardless from DLS is it? >> No no
>> that hasn't started that yet. I I haven't I haven't seen >> Okay. >> Um but >> regardless >> this is Roselli. So >> the so the $35,000 why the Roselli accounting professional service and technical services audit that is that is
Roselia Clark. >> Okay. And the top one, the tech services is CBS. >> CBS to be our town accountant >> and but they've been paid out of the salary town. Correct. >> It appears that way because there's no money that has come out of professional
and technical service. >> So how does that get corrected on on >> you you do journal entries? So you would if a journal entry will subtract from one line and add it into another, right? It's called >> So, it's it's a correct.
>> They got to get out of there before the taxes get paid, >> right? >> But but where are they going to get the money from? Because if the audit is in there for 35,000 and that's in the spring, are we going to do some kind of a um transfer >> at the special town meeting or
something? we would maybe have to, but then the free cash certification normally comes from just doing the reports from the town. The the town accountant will do some the the town accountant does some the treasurer does some and so when they're trying to do
the this free cash verification that's as with they put together the numbers and submitted to the website for DLS um that that has been allocated. I forget exactly where it is, but there there's a particular location they go in and
upload all of their reports for the FY24 and that's the free FY25. Sorry, we're in FY20. >> Yeah, >> constantly doing that. Sorry. It's kind of like So, yes, it it's kind of like the FY25 free cash certification. These
reports generally come from your your own town accounting and town treasurer accounts. It's kind of like it's it's not generally that, but if it's somebody from the outside, it might be somebody from Cabbiz has been brought in um to do
to do them, but it's not the resilient part for audit at the end of the year. >> Okay. So, that's a Yep, that's a concern. >> Yes, that's a concern line because you
still need You still need a budget for the atomic fountain. >> Yep. >> Because you may hire somebody during the year sometime. >> It's posted. So at some So you do have to have it
>> without budgeted, but you shouldn't be paying those that as long as it's a professional technical services. If you want to do it monthly, every time
you pay that bill, you transfer it to perpetual. >> We've already overpaid. I mean, we've already used some allocated >> the 43,000 that they've taken from salary
monthly or however often they're paying that should be transferred to professional services from the salary because that month is gone. >> Maybe >> for paying the salary, >> right? That's true. >> We need the detail on this one, Tom. >> Yeah. Yeah. And >> yeah, >> so in other words, every month that goes
by that the the person isn't there to take a salary, that monthly salary should be transferred to professional services and then paid out, >> right? I agree with that. Yeah. >> So that way you have the to
>> rent somebody when they show up. >> Yeah. >> So >> yeah, >> we'll see. We we'll we'll get the details on that and he will involve because if we hire somebody that's posted and they come in there's not enough money then it's like to pay them.
So there are >> questions. The other one going down is MIS communications. ated 92% >> oh my go >> I just had one question on the longevity
stipens I noticed that you know the different stipen longevity lines some of them >> like are not paid at all some are paid I mean is there >> anniversary date >> oh the anniversary date okay all right >> good question
>> I wasn't sure I I I said there had to be a reason why some but okay thank you >> will be it on MS communications no more >> oh yeah the I saw that 92.3 so that's almost all paid
>> what is that line [Music] >> 73 betrayal travel boy. She's traveling around. Who's that? >> What's that? Which one? >> That is that. >> What's up? Where?
>> I mean, yeah, I can I can speak to that line item if you have questions on that. >> Which one? >> Number >> 5710. Uh, travel mileage. >> Travel miles and state. Don't fall. You're not going to be having enough.
>> Yeah. And I I think this is one of the line items that was cut um earlier well as a part of the >> I was going to say that's that's the piece we we have to realize we cut quite a bit of money from >> Yeah. it. So, this is one of the lines
that was cut. Um, you know, the the largest um portion of that was related to um you know, having to get sworn in. Jack, the new assistant town clerk, uh was sworn in at the Springfield Secretary of State's office. Um the
options were Boston or Springfield um or Fall River. Um and so the Springfield was the the better of the locations that was chosen as far as traffic goes. Um, so that that's what the largest use of the mileage that was for.
>> I see. So it's cut item cut line there. >> But I I don't anticipate significant further usage of that line. Um, you know, we do have um under you know elections um you know travel mileage in there that haven't been touched at all.
Um yeah, I I don't anticipate significant further usage for the rest of the year. That's you know certainly if there is there'll it'll be able to be covered within the 160 and 162 function. >> Thank you. See that's the kind of stuff for me
>> 87%. >> Well even like I noticed on the superior maintenance equipment they've been a couple places. I mean, what what do they equipment so bad that
>> No, sometimes what that is um is they have a maintenance agreement. >> Okay. So, >> so yeah, so you pay for that. So, it wipes out the line >> and that exactly what that is. We pay annual subscriptions as it relates to maintaining the equipment. They invoice
us on July 1 for the year. Okay. And so that that covers the whole year. >> Well, I was kind of figured it was something like that. You'll find that in the memberships, too. That >> membership. >> Oh, yeah. That's why I Yeah, >> I wasn't too concerned about those
because I get it was something like an annual thing. >> Oh, here's a good one. 99%. >> Oh, that's Jews. >> Yeah, that's Jews and membership. >> I I had one other in the the clergy item. If you were curious about the 87%
utilization of um DNR wages um that was because of the special election. So that line um is at risk of not having sufficient um you know money available. Um there there are some other sources that we'll be able to look at. Um but there you know that that was unbudgeted
having special election in July. >> Right. Yeah. It's kind of like that one that if we have another election, but even if the spring election is going to be that that was the thing that was the only one that was planned. I know we had
the I don't know if they're on here, but >> um there was an account. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And that that was heavily um drawn and as I'll talk to you about >> and we haven't replenished. That's the thing. It's kind of like my list of
things to I'll be talking about that one. Okay. They took that money. They took that away. >> The land use coordinators. >> They took that away then since they left a little. Were they leaving?
>> Um I think somebody was passing. >> I I think so. I think Spess and um maybe Colby I don't know. >> Oh, they did give Ki. Yeah. So I think that's but they basically took everything out of that line I have
for the most part. >> Interesting. >> So on the facility maintenance on page seven that temporary health that's like 80% paid. Is that something that's was
um who was saying >> I isn't that down the bottom? >> I think that's the workers from the cemetery helps um mow the lawn and stuff like that. >> That's pretty much >> I could be wrong, but I think that's what
>> because there's not much money left. So, >> you're not going to be helping much. >> No, I mean, we're only guessing here. It's like a game >> with the exception of Harrison. pest control. >> Oh yeah, the pest control was pretty. We
didn't have a lot of pests. >> Maybe that's that's another >> Is that a yearly thing or is it having a real pest problem? >> I thought we were a while. >> We had a squirrel when I was in that office.
>> Well, we we've got the bat net in our office. We've got We're the keeper of the >> net. Oh yeah, we had to ch had to chase the bat bat out of here twice with Rob. >> Are you serious? >> Yeah, we have a real batsized net that we we had to get
>> where they're coming in from. >> I I I don't know. We haven't had the bat in a while. Not going something. >> Okay. Because I need to find where the bats are coming in so they don't see bite you, they have rabies. >> I know. It's It's been a while though, so I think we're
>> I have a couple minutes. >> Oh my word. >> Stop playing Batman with a with a real bat. >> Who's this? Fire AMS 82%. I guess that's Yeah.
resili >> additional gross over oh overtime. >> Yeah, but that in the police department >> I'm looking at that right now. 53% >> 53% over time. It's kind of like >> going to run out replacement vacation
going to be happening maintenance and equipment professional services. I mean they're almost they're 99% on the hazardous waste collection. What about this? >> We have one half day, I think. >> Yeah, but did you this you skipped over
the >> You skipped over the 166 >> Oh, no. >> 69%. 169% which is >> by EMS professional services page 10. So
they're in the they're already in the negative 6856. Yes. >> Yeah. But if you go back to this couple of so full-time ox captain I think at the 83% >> he's already been paid $83,000
>> out of 12 I guess he's right we're not going to have any services or they'll be free [Music] is a reason that this What I don't know at this time is >> I don't really understand that patient care retire
so much money. >> We're not allowed to ask questions of the fire department. So >> well yeah I um when I get back in I will get get the list and we'll compare that. >> One thing from the fire EMS department.
>> What what is vacation replacement? Is that they replace somebody who's on vacation with a predium guy? Yeah, it's kind of like they're back filling the position. >> It's kind of like and they don't consider that regular time.
>> So, what's other services? >> EMS other services. >> There could be so many different things. >> Well, my that's my question. What is it? It's already up to 66%. >> Yeah. Yeah. Again, we we always ask that
question about what is other but um okay let's let's make the lines and then we can ask for a report of what's >> I don't think we need a detail item on on this. >> Yep. >> They're big. I understand it's a big deal and I understand you can't control
it because of nature. >> However, however, we need >> we need some detail. >> Yeah. >> But then that's that's Yeah. I mean it's only other >> it's only $500 but00 we should know where the
>> just saying who's that >> for the building department my oh my >> alternate is that the alternate building person. He's gone. So, this must go to the uh commissioner. Wait, Harrison has
>> So, I I heard at the select board meeting this line was significantly somewhat higher. I don't know if it was I would say it was significant, but they the the $2,000 that they cut this line down to is is artificially reduced as a result of the the negative lines to
balance the budget. So, it wasn't originally this low. They're just going to use the alternate building inspector less. >> I thought they got rid of him completely. I believe he's still on call the way Nelson had described it at the select meeting. He may still be on call for emergency situations.
>> Yeah, you can >> again missing details. >> Glad you're here, Harrison. >> Happy to answer questions. >> No, good. Um 25% for supply. >> Yeah, office supplies.
>> Office supplies. Yeah, but it could be that they needed toner right at the beginning. >> But then when we asked that, they said toner is included in the maintenance agreement. So that's maint kind of like and so >> so details would help. >> No, office supplies. They could have
needed forms for the electrical inspector or something like that and they only buy them once a year or >> don't you think we should know that? >> Yeah, but how are you going to put that on this report? No, I think we should make a list and ask the net,
>> right? No, I see what you're saying there. >> Yeah, I don't get too because I used to be a supper. I used to buy supplies, so I don't get too hung up on >> the supply line only, but because I know that >> there's unforeseen things.
>> I understand that. I do understand that. But I do think that we have to be more diligent about letting this stuff ride. But >> I'm asking for detail. I don't think he's >> No, but I was gonna watch it, too, because if it goes up anymore, then
>> Right. Be a watch. >> Yeah. >> It's a definite watch item because we're only three months into the year. >> My point. Exactly. And if you've already spent 99 No, 168% of you buy this. It's not looking good. So how do we pay the schools?
>> Um quarterly. >> Okay. So we pay two quarters. Do we pay it at the beginning? >> I think because the show tech is 50% that's what I remember. >> What department is this? >> Oh highway. Highway
15%. >> Oh, they barely spend a night >> 89. >> What is that? >> What page of 16? >> Highway office. >> Yeah, they're really written a lot of stuff. And
>> yeah, but you know >> cut in half. >> What do you mean? >> At the very beginning of the budget, but that was one of the things they cut right. I'm going to I'm going to put budget cut like said line item cut. We
should know that >> 47. >> We got to go back to the March. >> True. >> The March um >> budget and identify the lines that we really cut because those are the ones and and again >> do we know the cut? Do we know that? Um,
>> I mean, we know Harrison's what he told, but >> right, we we we would only know by comparing what it was originally requested back in the March um on the bus. But those those are the things that we
definitely need to watch like those those are the watch lines, the ones we cut. >> Definitely. And my concern is that >> these percentages >> Mhm. >> help me if I'm wrong here. These are real numbers. >> These are real numbers. >> These are real numbers. >> We know the budget is kind of like fake.
But >> that 102 of whatever the fake number was is a real number. They really spent that money. >> They really spent. Yeah. So out of the out of the five um >> Yeah. So >> $536 budget they they spend
>> 53 >> 550. >> Yeah. >> So it's kind of like and that gets you >> they do that because really >> they got buying supplies >> but it happens sometimes
>> because I need toner and I only have $200 in there and the toner is $225. then you're going to be off $25. But as long as the bottom line, the total line expenses
>> come doesn't go negative, you're good, right? >> You're good. Okay. Okay. >> So, within that, oh, okay. So, we're really looking at the bottom line, not the individual lines. But actually, you still need to look at the individual lines. you need to look at the individual lines to get a story and say,
you know, is there something up here? But yeah, >> you would be more concerned. >> So the the other thing, you know, what like for my department in particular, I can speak to the, you know, when I have expenses, I look at what line it best
belongs in, whether that is for the particular line that has the budget available, what most accurately reflects what this expense actually is, >> and it goes in that line. And then if a transfer needs to happen later, it's important that the accounting, the reporting be accurate because if this is
really an office supply expense, why is it happening in other supplies? But it shouldn't just be because that's where the budget was available. It was really an office supply expense. And so that that's where I, you know, I would come back later and ask for that transfer. We didn't spend other supplies. We sent we
spent office supplies. And so, you know, the highways spent 22% overall, you know, and like they haven't spent their other supplies. So, maybe it's one of those things. Could they have put it there? Maybe. But it it's really an office supply type of thing. >> I see. And I and I appreciate that. But
I also think we have to red flag these things to keep our eye on it as for our job. Well, and that copier in the building department is used by building >> health >> and border health and other people that may come in to use it, but that's rare.
But and it comes out of the building department >> even though it's used by others >> by others. But see, that's when deter. >> Yeah. Yes. Or they should get a little bit more money if it's being used by multiple sources.
>> And that's how we would make recommendations. >> Yeah. And this is the first year that that copier has been moved into the building department. It was not part of the building department budget last year. >> That's right. >> Because it's a new one in the >> Okay. Well, it's good to know these things.
>> Okay. So, what is this landfill energy that is looking at? >> But if you go to Little Black, it's 36.7%. So, we shouldn't be alarmed. >> No. No. No. No. It's kind of like >> still should be along.
>> Yeah. >> Because you're you're looking at the >> What is it? >> Um it's it's the heat and electric for the landfield building up on >> on Trumpike road the dump. >> Yeah.
>> The recycle center. >> Are they still doing the monitoring on the um >> the engineering? Yes. That'll be in a different >> Oh, it is. Okay. Okay. So, the guys are in this garage and they're heating it and that's the heating. >> Well, there's there's going to be some
>> But you know what what it could also be is that it wasn't um put in right. >> It it could be it's kind >> the numbers. >> Um >> not the numbers, but put in the wrong account. >> Oh, >> but it's something to know, >> right? Yep.
>> That's what we're doing. We're doing >> because they there's nothing in the other two. She doesn't >> because >> 36.37. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So I I mean overall it's there but um
>> because if this is a heating bill it's a little >> I mean maybe it's air conditioning. >> Well, you know or or is it energy for the skin? >> Yes. >> I mean is this like a monthly or
quarterly bill? I mean like are we going to be in the whole like >> I took that like everybody else electric >> for the building >> page 18 >> and there shouldn't be much heat
>> to that >> 1 2 3 4 5 6 seven down >> but he was involved in his budget but he's 100% his purchase >> where are you >> well I'm on page 18 cemetery parks other purchase just services,
>> right? >> But could that be like grass seed and that type of stuff? >> Do you know what I mean? Which would be over the summer months. >> Understood. But >> yeah, $100. >> I think the grass in the fall and in the
spring, you know, probably. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it's not grass. >> Then again, you're not a grass. You're not a big 88% building and maintenance. Are they doing stuff over there? Is it >> again?
You're a $100 line. It's kind of like if you have to replace a light bulb, you're almost getting it 100%. >> Well, no, it it's a $100 total line there. >> Yeah, exactly. So, those >> those two >> I see. He has $100 and he spent it
light. >> I'm joking. >> No, I understand. >> I get it. >> But you're not far wrong. you. Yeah. It's kind of like there's there's certain things that you know at $100 they're going to go quicker. >> Yeah. And but what was it that so that we know going forward?
>> Mhm. >> Yeah. See like seed I would expect underground sweeping supplies. >> Yeah. Kind of >> banging in your roster. >> Was that somebody banging in your office? >> Was that coming from over there? >> It sounded like >> the bat.
I'll check on that. >> So, >> $10 for longevity. There you are, Carol. Right there. >> Okay. >> Uniforms. >> Yeah. >> Don't get me stuck on the clothing allowance.
>> How do I hear? Oh, I I saw those clothing allowance slides and >> well, you know this whatever >> I think they should do is that it shouldn't say uniform because when you say uniform that means that everybody's wearing the same thing like navy blue
blazer Catholic school >> again the naming convention on that on that >> and it should have a town seal >> it should have a town seal every time >> anything that's born you should have a town seal I agree thousand% >> shield What are you going to put on?
>> You you emboss it on the side. I kind of It can be done. >> Oh, Nike with this little >> Yeah, like that. >> I'm not um just uniform. If we're spending money clothing expense
>> should be clothing expense, not for >> should have a town steal or something. So >> I agree, 101% >> because I've heard that people were buying clothes and then returning them for cash or whatever.
>> Oh, I've heard that's being done before. in. So, >> um, yeah. So, if you're purchasing, if you if you're allowed to purchase clothing for your work, >> then there's nothing that says a policy is worth
>> that's a union. You know, I heard that was the union. The unions warning about this, but I don't know why we can't say something about that as as the source of the money. Well, we can't because >> Well, I know that, but I mean with the sense, >> no, but we we would if it were in our
purview, we would recommend that they hire that that they contract with somebody like Lance Zen that does uniform logos that you order strictly from one location and you order. So you you have long sleeve shirts, shorts,
>> that's still >> I wasn't here for that. >> Orders from Amazon and they have >> right >> Kevin put their own logo on one. >> Yeah. I don't know where jackets go for the town.
>> Huh? They could do those for the town. I think they, you know, >> but when you're when you're hired for a job >> and you get a clothing allowance, it's a clothing allowance that is used >> for a job. >> Mhm. Right.
>> That's that was what it was meant for, you know, I mean, especially when when you're in and have to do field work, you have, you know, >> Absolutely. I agree with that. >> Yeah. Like the water department. >> You're not creating people's wardrobes for them. Not that is not what this is
meant to do. This is meant for the position. It has fieldwork to do to provide co clothing that but um border health travel mileage is 219%.
>> Whoa. What? >> 18. >> Yeah, but it's now it's a enterprise. Is that matter? >> Um >> no. The whole thing is an enterprise, >> but they only have $50. >> What is
kind of we we'd have to we'd have to ask because this may >> 1980 Carla, where'd she go? >> This budget was set up >> before maybe she had to travel to um Shaws or to deposit.
>> Yeah, they don't do the deposits in town. They have to go I think they go someplace else. I don't feel the in the car. They driving in the car >> for what? >> Deposit. >> Deposit. What? >> Oh, the checks. >> Money. I guess like can I write a check out to the water department and pay my
bill? >> They don't they don't that one's a little different. Yeah, but they they they do need to bring that to a physical location. >> Yeah, I think it's kind of like and she's got more money coming in this year. So that
explains why it takes a month >> to get to it. So please don't understand but I have I have long been months since when my wife gave them a check and when
I finally get it back is really well I don't disagree with you there at all the treasur was >> in other words >> I pretend that if she would not go >> you know the board of health has really
been it looks like single go out and penalized. They have $50 for professional services which whoever and $25 for office supplies. >> Yeah, that's not a paper for $25,
>> right? >> And again, >> paying for those stickers. Now, that's the enterprise. >> That's going to be the enterprise, right? >> Yeah. So, >> but if you look at the bottom line, the one the 300
the bottom line they ran a negative. >> We sure have >> on the expenses. >> Yeah. >> $50. >> Okay. So, other supplies >> supply $25. >> So, >> yeah. And and zero for other supplies,
>> right? which which is the big thing. When you look at it, it says zero over in the in the variance column. So it almost says, "Oh, zero. I don't have to look at it." Well, that's overdrawn because there was no money >> put in there. So it it doesn't it doesn't go negative.
>> It's kind of like >> So that's something we have to be careful with on the BVA. When you see zero over there, that's not necessarily >> it doesn't make >> it's it's an un unfunded um line >> it'sended the total line is negative,
>> right? >> Yeah. Because I mean if we're looking at it um that's $125. >> No, it wouldn't surprise them. I think it's like a retaliation move on the board select me. I think that's horrible.
>> 5 again. It's kind of like their copier supplies are paid for by the building department. It's kind of like So, >> so what about the paper clips and that >> right? It it's kind of like it's what paper clips will ask me do a central
supply, >> right? It's kind of like that's that's the thing. There's no central office supply of buying purchase but that would be >> more efficient. >> It's just paper >> the thing that's bought >> like a company store kind of thing.
>> But then then you have to have somebody to manage it and unlock the key and who's walking over. >> It's kind of not ready. >> We've already kind of got a little bit of that. We're keeper of the paper over in the clerk's office. We got 10 boxes of paper and then they
sign out on a check checklist >> you know how many reams they're taken >> right I mean we add paper clips to the mix >> paper clips >> we did that with town meeting it's kind of like >> when we were white
>> um no those are good it it's kind of like they might might be something there we'll see I'm I'm thinking some of the other supplies might have been the labels or >> label trash. It's kind of like >> Oh, the yellow label,
>> right? It's kind of like So, it's kind of like >> But we're just guessing. >> Exactly. So, it's kind of like So, that that's something. >> No facts. >> Yeah. >> Shouldn't have come out. >> Okay. It's kind of like So, we'll we'll talk to >> We'll find out. >> Yeah. >> We'll get to the bottom.
>> But here we go again. COA >> COA Council on Aging. >> Okay. being too many people and professional services. >> Yes. >> You're asking a question. >> On page 20,
>> are those like the class teachers that teach? >> No, because people pay. What about people coming in to talk to them about their um >> medicare medicare and um >> we usually need those people I think
>> like a shine volunteer >> medicare and I know I I had a friend who was a shine and she was a volunteer she didn't get paid >> yeah say shine is but I don't know if they use shine up there >> I know they have somebody but they have a nurse or somebody comes in and does
blood pressure I don't know if I think that's part of the show. >> Look the details on that one too. >> And and again because it's at 105 already and again is that a line that was cut at the beginning of the year. >> It's kind of like
>> but even if it was cut though, >> right? We should >> It's still that means you still have to live within that budget. >> Apparently not. Well, >> but but again, it's kind of and they're >> I understand their expenses are at
>> 64 already. It's kind of like if we're if we're using the number 30 and professional they're all 86 on that's training, >> right? So >> training and doing
care about but other I thought we made a pack among us cancer. We do that last year and miscellaneous and other. We want details. >> Yes, >> it's other people's money and we need to
update conscious point. We go the following at the recreation department. They're not >> No, the um what's that? the clothing alongs, >> but they the kids at the summer have shirts have shirts with staff on it and
a logo and stuff like that. So, >> but that should come out of the revolving. >> Yes. >> Oh, right. Because that's that's Emy's clothing. It's Emy's clothing. >> So, she should be wearing a uniform as a recreation person because she's out and
about. >> You get paid for that. They'd have to see the receipts to be what it >> Well, I want to see logos on the clothes if they buy them. I want to see logos. I really
>> When when the union contract is drawn up, does each does everybody get the same clothing allowance in like in the supervisor's union or in the clerical union or is it by department?
>> By person. I think it it >> I think it's by position. By position. I think so. I think it you'll see. >> So, it could vary. Some of the clothing allowances do vary than Okay. >> Yeah. I All right. >> But I I thought they were I thought they were pretty consistent, right?
Department head or supervisor versus workers, but I think it it's it's kind of like other certain jobs. I have to go through and look at every expense level. Well, that's why >> the town clerk's
um department, they don't have a clothing. >> There's no clothing allowance. >> Does Jack have a clothing? >> I don't think so. >> So, but the assessors do, >> right? Because they go out, >> but they go out. So, that's why I was wondering. And Jack would be in the same
union >> as Vicki, right? Jody. >> No, he's super. >> Okay. So that kind of answered that. All right. Just curious about >> another position. Yeah.
>> With logo on this town and what what I mean I can see some workers get bigger. I mean, if you're going out, you need the right, >> you know, if you're going to go to um
like Eddie Bower and buy a >> Yeah. proof bar jacket with a corduroy suede collar versus a jean jacket at Walmart versus the jacket that would be sold from the company store. It's a whole different story.
>> Well, I mean, if you're going to go buy a nice pocker, it should have the ton logo on I think so. For the nine horse face, >> then you know then you can have your nice pocker for your >> ch that you go out on the field with >> or you buy a nice pocket for yourself.
>> Don't take it on the field. But >> I don't think if somebody's out in the field and other people saw them out there and they didn't have something that identified them as the town working person that they shouldn't be out there. >> No, I agree. >> Yeah, that's true. Are they allowed to
wear it >> to Walmart to go shopping? >> Well, on their way. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Well, I wear mine all the time. >> Oh, okay. >> But I mean, if if they're just going off >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Well, I'm from >> I know. I'm going to get into it because I know they have life insurance. So, thank you very No, let's go to Betty's. She's already spent 71% of her budget
and it was not seen in the summer. >> No, because she's all done. >> She's right. She's only got two or three more. She's only had two or three more concerts in June. >> Oh, okay. >> She's got Memorial Day and that's at zero. >> Oh, within the So, she's got >> And then on being conscious, she's got
25% to cover June. So she was originally given 10,000 pes. >> So you're saying this is for the Memorial Day parade next year? >> No, it the Memorial Day is on sheet 21.
So she bottom sheet 21 is Memorial Day. >> So the 70 So the 2000 is the kitty left over from not sending it in the summer. >> Okay. So um >> she can we can drop her down. >> No, no, no. It's kind of like because
June is part of FY26. So her June cons. >> Yeah. >> So it's kind of like July and August pretty much take >> the majority majority. But you're going to have that little bit left over for June. >> Are there supplies?
>> It's not working. >> What did she Did she buy? >> She didn't buy anything. Oh, she's going to buy something. Wow. Here's Memorial Day. >> Memorial Day is on 20 21 >> bottom bottom three rows.
>> That would be >> best. >> So, the supplies would be the flowers, >> right? >> Is professional services the band. >> The bands. Yeah. >> Yeah. Professional services.
Um, she does have I What else does she bring in? >> Well, what's her total amount? She's going to go the whole year. >> Okay. For Memorial Day, all the band [Music] >> 16
between the two is 10. Is this >> 66 and >> Well, Memorial Day is 66 6600 >> 6605 and >> Memorial Day is 6605. >> Yeah.
>> How come that's so much? >> Well, four hours. >> And the bus. She has a bus. >> And the bus service is ridicul. Okay. >> Oh, she buses them from the west towns into the Sen.
>> Yeah. Yes. >> Can't you use those DAV trucks? >> Well, I know. >> Probably not. It's coming up. >> Well, it's trend, >> but there's so many of them. All of the band members were there.
It's actually >> Yeah, they're bringing all their >> and you can't ask them to walk back. >> They do um West Towns. >> Yeah. So >> I would take anywhere on >> it. This is one of the lines that was
cut. It was cut by about 2 grand from 12 to 10 grand. >> Okay. So she's already been cut. >> She's been Yes. She was almost done. >> Yeah. >> Stay tuned.
>> Well, let's see. flag comms on page 22. >> Yeah, it says Ltd. >> Long-term disability. >> Oh, okay. >> Not exclusive. >> Long-term debt. >> Yeah, >> long-term debt.
>> Long-term disability limited. Okay. Long longterm debt. >> Longterm debt. >> It's long-term debt. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Harrison. >> Thank you. >> Longterm. >> All depends on
>> where you're from. >> Exactly. And then we have interest on the executive by what's 29,000. Did anybody know what's going on with
the two little fire trucks? >> I heard from this I haven't >> Well, what I did here was it was in Hudson, but I can't figure out what's in Hudson. >> Hil, but they he needs $125,000
to help. >> And why wasn't this in the contract when they bought the fire? >> I thought he had I thought it was >> when we >> Well, that's what he said at the last meeting. last select meeting.
>> Were you on a committee then? >> I I was not on capital planning but I you know it would it was presented >> in the original >> fully operational. So wouldn't that be if it was spend
for each truck and then >> it's kind of like >> I mean I know you need me to have to buy new and that's obvious. >> But is is there anything that can be >> What else can we get? >> Can we park forward? >> I don't know. >> It's not coming to our house.
>> What's it say? The fire hoses. >> I don't know. >> I think so. We have no questions. One of the things >> no questions. >> No, but it's kind of like But those are pieces, you know. It's kind of like >> Of course they're pieces. They're big pieces, John. They're big numbers.
>> I thought it had been discussed before how it was going to be paid for. >> No, it was discussed, but it wasn't >> maybe. I don't know if I want to work that. >> Are you a union negotiator, too? Could you do that? I don't know, but I can
write the contract. I do know how to write contracts, but that's what I did for a lot of years. >> Maybe you should go talk to them and say, "Hey, maybe I can help you out. >> Maybe I can help you." >> Well, it's too late now. I mean, >> oh, no. Yeah, it's too late.
>> We're going to have fire trucks that aren't going to be useful, just like we have gym equipment that's in store. >> Exactly. We're sitting there with $2 million worth of fire trucks, $150,000 worth of gym equipment, and here we are. We can't use any of it. No. >> I mean, that is not
>> And the highway department is looking along >> and the highway department this winter. >> Well, maybe this won't be able to get there. >> Well, when there's a quarter inch of snow on the ground, they probably come
through. I'm not a happy >> any other follow on this. >> But I don't no >> Yeah, the items just just pretreat the
roads. >> I don't know how they used they pre-treated the road getting off topic. No, I I only >> Yeah, we need to. But I'm just going to >> I was >> We're over the highway department.
>> I was cleaning up >> and I found some really old documents in >> Yeah. >> And I had a stuffer from >> when the board of health first instituted the recycling and and trash bin pickup.
>> Oh, okay. And and then I had a little >> it was a full page flyer folded in thirds from the highway department about it's it's now winter season and this is what we're going to do. How we're going to pre-treat the roads when when it starts snowing this is what we're going to do. It's kind of like they had their
whole procedure really documented as an education for the town going out in the tax code. >> Oh, that's a great idea. >> It was like >> do they still do it? >> No, but it it's kind of like what's old might be new again. Could be. That's all it was probably never on date. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Exactly. You know, so I mean, but it was just a a reminder of how did Yeah. what was going on. >> Well, maybe you should give that to the highway department and say, "Here, maybe this is way to reinstitute." >> Yeah. Or put it back in your I I think they still do all of it, but it it's
just that it was a reminder sent out to in in a tax bill that >> Do you remember what year that was? Was that when they went to all salt? 2012 maybe they kind of No, as long as 2002 2002 >> it was liquid. It was some kind of a liquid.
>> No, they that's how they intrigued. But um they went to all salt for a while. I think around 2016 or so. >> I don't think it's all all salt anymore because I think salt's very expensive. >> Salt and sand. It's a salt and sand mix.
Uh for a while we had we in Timbley Park had requested no salt at all and it was stand only because at the bottom of the hill was the was the well. >> Oh that's right. >> So your
>> get back on top. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Sorry. Discuss the feedback on the police constable today. that we have. We've got Harrison here all night. >> Yes.
>> Well, if we have to suffer, he has to I'm going to be here. >> Oh, I'm not. >> Well, >> come on, Sam. You love coming to these meetings. >> Yeah, but not at 7:00 at night. >> We're going to move it down to six.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for that. I have Has has anyone or I should say has everyone had a chance to read the the memo I sent out? I sent it out by email. >> Sorry. I don't have a chance.
>> I read one and it didn't have anything to do with that. >> Okay. All right. >> Do you want him to read it soon? >> Yeah. I'm going to repeat it just so it's fresh for everyone. >> Um and pardon the scratchy voice. Um it
at the request of the finance committee vice chair Mary Jane Churchville I'm submitting this memorandum to clarify the recent increase in election related expendit uh expenditures um earlier this year um the select board made the decision to stop appointing constables.
Uh when your committee during a joint meeting requested justification for this change the select board indicated that they would not provide an explanation to you or rationale for the shift in policy. Um historically the town has utilized a conible uh for election related duties uh you know for election
security rather um for a flat daily rate of $210. And that um the the second packet you have is the the most recent bill of the the constable and then you also have the most recent um police bill. Um in contract in the absence of
the conible um we had to have a police detail for the July 29th uh election. The total expense for that day was $1,288.88. Um, and you know, there were two hourly rates that added up to that total. And that represents over 600% increase in
the cost of a single elections security detail. Um, the I I do want to say and give great credit to a full commenation to both Sergeant Reedi, I believe it was Lieutenant Peach who did the second half of the day. They were both excellent. um
and did their jobs, did it very well. Um you know, no, this is not um you know, anything to to do with them as far as that. Um you know, the question Mary Jane had posed is why why did this increase occur? Um and you know, I I don't have an answer for why um beyond
the fact that that's the policy decision that was made. Um I I continue on towards the bottom here. Given the town's wellocumented financial constraints, the additional cost per election exceeding $1,000 is significant. This expenditure does not
appear to have yielded any difference operationally um and could have been avoided through continuation of the prior policy of constable appointments or the re or future reconsideration of the policy. Further, uh this expense was not
accounted for in the fiscal 26 budget for our spring annual town election. Um, and as a result, supplemental appropriations will be necessary at an upcoming town meeting to cover these unanticipated costs and to prevent deficit spending in the current fiscal year as it relates to that. Um, I'm
happy to address any questions you have on this. Um, and you know, I've given you the backup materials. Um, you know, I I'll preface, you know, I can't speak to the why the policy change was made, but operationally, I mean, the the booking the police detail went very
well. The officers did a great job. Um, but it's, you know, $1,088 and change more expensive. >> So, do we have to pay this bill? >> That's already been paid. >> Oh, because Harrison requested it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I did notice that. Um, and no, I
know. Um, and you know, I when this bill first came in, um, I sent it to the select board office. Where would you like to take this out of? Because this wasn't budgeted. And um you'll you'll notice the document preceding the bill itself um was you know the instead of
responding to that email um it was just submitted by Nelson to the accounting department to be paid um and out of you know the special article >> um you know that that article um was set aside because we have two state elections next year um that are each
probably going to cost on the order of $8,000 to execute. And so, you know, now >> that includes 128 >> uh maybe roughly that I think it's closer to 8,500 including the the police cost
um because we're not printing the ballots ourselves. So, there's some some leeway versus if we're printing the ballot ourselves for a local election um that there's an increased cost there. So, it kind of evens out a little bit. 8,500 an election including the police detail cost is about right.
>> Right. And with those there's early voting so there's additional cost with early voting there is >> but you know >> we do get reimbursement after the fact but that comes you know six to 12 months. I think my concern more than >> is >> oh I don't even know the word to use
when we as fin representing the residents and the taxpayer ask questions of order selectment and we get the snarky you don't have the right to know that's my concern is it are they representing the people or are they representing somebody that we don't know
in the background >> that little booklet that came in that we were talking about earlier the handbook right there on page one is what our responsibilities are in a little block. >> And that means yeah, we need an answer.
>> We may not they may not say anything about anybody the town or the select or anybody paying attention to what we say. >> Our responsibility is to advise, >> right? So if we can't get it from them, we have to go further >> or
if we if we don't have the answers, we >> But they were made aware of if of how that was going to affect the town clerk's office >> and and before it happened >> before it happened. Yes. As soon as I heard about it >> and they noted in their uh February 18th
minutes from this year that you know that something to the effect of, you know, the the impact on elections needs to be looked at further. And then the second reading of that draft policy, um, it might have been the first time it came back to them, but they voted it that night. Um, you know, they just
voted it without according to the minutes without further discussion on the matter as it relates to the increase in cost. And so, um, you know, there's a concern there as it relates to, you know, this body making recommendations. Um, you know, it may make sense to do some sort of comparison chart, what an
election cost before and what an election cost after um, to help inform the residents. And and I think the idea that we're not getting answers is not just specifically to the board of sele. >> Yeah. Happy to answer those questions for you.
the other departments could be as helpful because then we wouldn't have this crazy tension between us. >> Mhm. And you know if there are other questions if there's additional data that would be helpful in preparing that type of comparison. I think we should do that comparison. >> I can provide that additional data to
help make that possible >> because we don't know if there's going to be another move like this >> there. There may and the costs are only increasing. The those rates were current as of this current fiscal year. Um, I believe there's several union negotiations that are up for renewal.
You know, is it going to be, you know, an average of $80 an hour for the detail rate moving forward? Is it going to be 90? >> The other side of that coin is we're a small town. >> This was a small job. The person who had it needed it >> and I can't speak to you.
>> It was very cost effective. >> But I think it also goes further than that. Not having not not allowing constables to be appointed in a town affects the town people too because >> too
>> because they cannot have a police officer serve um eviction notices and that so they have to go to the sheriff's department which cost them a lot more money and having a constable appointing a constable does not cost the town money. We're not paying the the the town
does not pay the conible unless they use the services >> for an election. But other than that, >> if they're if they're posting or evicting, that's comes out >> that comes out of the person who's if I call a constable, I have to pay the tax.
>> And there was an instance just this morning where uh another official in town hall here needed a constable right away to post or to to serve um a notice of violation to. And you know after some research you know it turns out that the
police department was able to do it but the constable was the one who had always come you know to to do that on a moment's notice. Um and you the the other option was to call the sheriff's office. And by the way the lead time for the sheriff's office is 5 to 6 weeks.
And it it's not something you can have done on a moment's notice where you know I know our former constable you could call and have same day service the vast majority of needs. >> Yeah. And we've used different constables over the years and they've all been wonderful.
>> Yeah. >> So it's not >> I think we should be revisiting this as a recommendation if it comes up again which it will. you know the the town of God's buddy lawyer shot it down the when she had it there and where we gotten with
that idiot. >> Well, I can tell you where I put in a public records request for the um evidence that past constables have created chaos by arresting people illegally. I can't
remember how I worded it. I'm sure >> because town council said that the um this the liability exists of a town constable illegally arresting someone or having something. It was about arrested. So I asked how many times that happened
in town and I'm still waiting. I'm going to probably die waiting. >> I don't think it has. And I asked another question too. I have to revisit that. Um um I asked two questions as >> something about carrying a gun or >> it might have been about a gun. How many
how many gun accidents do we have with the trans? >> So I have no answer. >> They've never carried a gun in this building that I'm aware of that I've seen. >> Yeah. I only thought >> um and if there was any issues then we
call the police to come over. Right. >> Right. Right. The police are the times. Right. the 18th >> and for a larger election, you want to have a police officer in the area. >> Sure. >> Because of what's going on nationally,
but for smaller elections, an overall election, an annual election, even the state elections on >> real. I mean, it's just it's a small town, >> right? >> There's no, you know, the only people we
need to be protected from is the government itself as it stands right now. Um, and office was never consulted on it. >> Oh, really? >> So, it's a unilateral move with no input because somebody
>> somebody just decided to >> had some kind of a >> I don't know. Yeah. I have no idea because they won't say why. >> And and that's suspect right there. When you make a decision for a town, for other people, you should have
>> especially when it's such a large financial >> to put the burden on the taxpayer. That's what they did. >> 600% >> 600% burden on the taxpayer. And I wouldn't tell us the burden unnecessary burden
>> fiscal. >> Yeah. It's not like we're all rolling in doubt. >> Thank you, Cass. Absolutely. >> You know, certainly be in touch as we get closer to free cash appropriations because there there will be an article that related to election um you know,
replenishing that election. >> I was going to say it was originally 22,000 we put in there, you know. >> Yeah. And it's down to about eight eight page. >> Yeah. It was really meant for there. So, yeah, we need we need to get more. Well, you know, that that did get through many
special elections, many, you know, state got through a season of state elections. Um, you know, it it did get far and we still have enough for maybe one and a quarter election out of it. >> Yeah. But it it >> it's it's going down. >> If if we if we don't review that on on
an annual basis and look at it and look at what the upcoming elections are, >> there's not going to be money and funding for elections in the budget. So we may >> we may have to make the decision different town administrator now than than what we set it up. Bring it back
and yes the election budgets go up and down but elections go up and down and you see you would see it in the budget. So maybe it makes more sense to bring it back in so you're funding it instead instead of trying to put some money aside and keep it there. um that um that
we do that I think it helps though to have someone decide because we we do have um you know >> well we're in the habit of having you know one two three special elections a year for overrides and you know I I know the select board at their recent meeting
has said that they're not going to you know do an override unless it's for a specific purpose um but you know by law they all have to have a specific purpose and they they bring you know override right after override. So it it is inevitable. I'm sure that that there's a
special election in our future. Um and you know, right now we have very limited budgetary resources available to to handle that when that when we have to respond imminently to because they they could decide tomorrow we're calling an override and you know they have to give
me 35 35 days notice >> um you know in order to get the ballot question in and that could be it. They could that we could have an election before the end of the year. >> Have gone up for elections with the um vote by mail. >> Yeah. Right.
>> Stuff. I mean that and that's nothing to do with the town. That's an unfunded mandate. >> Yeah. But it and then on top of it next year if in the April election the question about select board size. >> Yeah. There could be a special
thought that you're right. Yeah. Well, let's hope >> because if that passes, their quorum immediately changes to five. So, all three members would be required to conduct business. >> Does it really? I didn't realize that. >> That's good. >> Even though nobody filling them just like how, you know,
six of you are here tonight. Let's just assume you know you only had six members. If your membership suddenly changed to where you needed six to have that quorum, if one of you had to leave, that that would still be that that would immediately make that change. So, you know, as far as the open meeting law is
concerned, their quorum is five because now that that charter amendment per local option has taken effect. >> Oh, I can't because we did that in the charter that they would change it like that. >> Okay. I I I wonder why it because I was
thinking it had to go get approved by um attorney general. >> No, for that the way it's written in the charter doesn't happen. >> Okay. Thank you. Well, I was going to say with this >> when do we do the five things? >> The vote is in April.
>> April. >> It has to be part of the annual election. So that's why it was put up till April. >> Okay. Then item 12 on the agenda confirming the next meeting that
>> November 12th pending pending validations count was actually >> and then November 19th >> and I don't have any school presentation. >> Are we going to do that BVA thing again
or are we just going to do follow up and get some? Um, we we we probably we we >> need to do something with the BBA, but we need to com I think there's two things we need to do. It's kind of like we need to see where the cuts were that
we made from the initial one. >> Right. Right. >> But I also want to see since this is the first time in the BVA, what where all these numbers came from basically. Can we also ask
>> can we have an income >> report? >> Yes, we've asked for that. >> I have no idea. >> Yeah, we it it was asked for um again because I couldn't get into the email. Um I will see if there was responded to the time. >> Good. Where do we get that one from?
>> Um I had I had requested it from Nelson because I I >> was doing it in in regards to the FY25 review. what we we we have the um recap sheet so we had the expectations of what
the revenues were going to be and I said what's what's the actuals >> to match with them so that we could do an FY25 compare what did we guess we were going to get and what did we get it's kind of like so you have you start getting some sort of history and and
comparison we were >> but when it comes down to the bottom line we got to know exactly what we got we have to guess the guess doesn't And one of the one of the items that I again I my mind thinking of we'll get it in. I want to talk more about what are the
fees every department captures and gets and what are the what are the revenue streams where do they go >> on each one. >> Where do they get and where do they go? >> Right. It's kind of like um and once we know revenue streams, it's kind of like
um we can we can capture that or identify, you know, are there areas where we're doing a service that should be a charge service versus >> Oh, you mean for for bringing money in? >> Yeah. I mean, it's I I'm not looking to
overcharge or anything. I'm just saying, you know, is there a service that um in other other towns that are they charge for a service and we don't have >> the department heads give us input on that? >> I think they can. Yeah. It's kind of
like um you know, it's kind of like I don't think there's a specific place you can go on our website and see all the fees from every department. >> Yes, sir. >> I kind of think so. No, I don't think so. It was kind of like wouldn't that be, you know, a page down clerk dog
licenses, you know, it's kind of like and what all the fees are for the dog licenses. >> I think you do have by department, but you don't have a central page of all fees, >> right? >> You go to the planning board, there's a fee schedule. Um, but the central board is where you would go
>> if you didn't know what department and you were looking for something, >> right? >> You know, just referencing all, >> right? it it's kind of like that's that's the reason and where's the revenue collected and what's what's the what's the path
for getting deposited into the proper accounts >> so that not that's not that's not for discussion for tonight agenda items at all >> great meeting >> I'll make a motion that we adjourn it
>> outside oh wow >> yeah not too bad thank you all so we got a motion to >> second I >> I >> nobody it's unanimous we stand a journ