Um good evening. This is the housing finance committee um on February Wednesday February 18th and we'll call the meeting to order at 6:00. Roll call attendance, please.
>> Carolis, present. Jere, present. Mayor Jville, present. >> Kathleen Swford, present. >> Dam Grant, present. David Walker, present. D's present. And we got our folks and get ready to continue. At this point, this meeting is being
recorded. Um, it will be available for playback on the on on YouTube as well as on the local paper. Is there anybody else recording this meeting this time?
None being heard. No one else is recording. Um, additions or deletions. Um, I'm going to leave that to it. the snow. I was thinking the snow might get in the way, but it hasn't started yet. So, >> a little Friday.
>> Yeah, little bit tonight. Snow today. >> Little bit. >> Just a little bit. >> Not much. >> That's kind of how >> my house >> boarding house. Yeah. >> Yeah. And he's spending the night. Yes,
would be good. And um moving on to the work session in section two, the correspondence. I did want to say we've had some activity on the state reaching out saying they wanted to come. It was originally this week and now they're
looks like they're moving it to the first week of March. They're doing it kind of see who can >> first week in March. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um and the memo they sent it said that they wanted to meet with just specific people including only the head of um finance
committee chair. So it's kind of like I'll reach out and see if I can at least get a second person in the in the room like that. Um but again it it's it's to gather information and then they go back and and review it and make the
recommendations. So um so like I say it, you know, nothing nothing yet. The the meeting date I haven't seen the meeting date come in for sure. >> Who's what departments are going besides?
Um it was town administrator. Yeah. Finance, >> accounting, treasurer and accessessor I think for the people they were going to see.
says um Theodor Alves is the person from Dior coming out. Um, and areas covered will likely range internal control processes and
accounting, treasurers, collector's office, and the town annual budget. Um, policy and uh, financial policies, capital planning, and others. Um, at least those that are subjects being
covered. Um, >> capital planning. >> Oh, did he say capital? That's well that's the that's the area being >> our policy. >> Oh we follow our policy. >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> Just it's there's a lot of forwarding in order. Um so select Ford finance committee um interim county administrator principal assessor and treasurer collector >> okay >> okay and then our email I did receive
was from recreation they reached out after our last meeting. Um, and we need to schedule them to come in with a meeting with finance committee where we're going to put together our questions and and see because we we had postponed um
voting on hiring for recreation until we had some answers on some things. So, I wanted to put together the questions um for what we're looking for. Um >> so excuse me we I am on the finan uh the
recreation comm >> we are meeting today and I felt after speaking with them that yeah they should come to the board to explain what their issue is >> right
>> because it is very different than the police and the what the department >> live in cemeterian parks >> and it was very different than cemeterian parks who has like this little liquid budget lines they have a perpetual cab I'm kitty
>> right >> so um it will be interesting and I think you should all hear it because you know me I'm not like the 100% recreation persons and this this um information that they put forth was very
>> interesting and worth listening to I felt >> if in fact we're going to have the recreation. >> Well, we we need to know it was it recreation was open-ended and I think that's why we postponed it because the other were very specifically how many
people they're hiring and they wanted to hire um >> and what they were hiring >> and what they were hiring. Yeah, they made that. They gave us charts. Well, not charts, but like handouts. And >> um I believe it was they had was it 15 or 14 seasonal hires for the summer
program? >> Mhm. >> We're only talking about the summer program. We're not talking about during the year during the year or anything, >> right? Well, >> is a summer seasonal. It's a seasonal position. >> So, those are in addition to the ones that are that are doing the red kids programs. some of them. I think I think
we didn't get that in anybody. We didn't get >> so and so that's sort of the information we're looking for is how many >> how many people have they had signed up. How many were signed up last year? Um and >> well because um it it can vary because of the
number of kids that sign up to go to the camp. It it is, but when I looked at it, it it looked like there was a maximum of 25 >> 25 st. >> No, 25. Um, >> oh, no, no, 40 something. They had over 40 kids.
>> Okay. So, I it maybe that's the school week. There was a lot of programs posted >> and and the clarity was, you know, >> well, that's the thing. It's kind of like >> put the summer wreck online to be able to sign up for it. Oh, they did
>> last year. Last year anyway, it it's kind of like it's not set up to sign up this year. >> Okay. They're not sure they're having a program. That's the problem because if they can't hire, then they can't have, >> right? And that that was very clear that if they can't hire anybody, they can't have a program. And
>> so they're kind of we >> Yeah. >> So, we'll quickly get them in. I as we get to setting the meeting at the >> Well, maybe we should have them at the next meeting, get it over with. >> Well, it >> obviously Well, there's like >> Well, yeah.
>> Yeah. So, they can get moving on there. >> I wanted to get them as quick as we can. Um I think we're going to meet on the 24th because that's the three board um select select board finance committee. Is that next week? Is that
I'm not capital. >> You're not capital. Okay. >> No, your finance, but you'll hear from capital. >> Oh, capital's going to I'm sorry. >> Planning is reporting. >> So, will we be able to meet with recreation
Friday? We're going to design this. >> Well, um that's what I wanted to make sure we we can open up if we if we have a meeting on the 24th. Um if if that was the plan. >> Next Tuesday, the 24th. Next Thursday is the 24th.
>> The week after is the um >> right. So I think is capital capital planning doesn't have anything else on that meeting. >> No >> this Friday isn't we can work. Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> If if we so yes we can have our full meeting. We can go if if it's meeting upstairs with the three boards and we have to go upstairs. we postpone. >> Oh, that >> here. Yeah, we lost it. And then we can come back down.
>> So, I I think it it's still going to I haven't done that on >> Okay. Because they did mention it at the meeting that they had contacted you and they're waiting to hear, >> right? >> Because they really want to talk to us, I guess, >> and I think we should listen to
>> because board selectment is waiting for a recommendation from us as we did with the other two departments last week. And we'll all be here pretty much. >> So, right, we'd be here. Yeah, >> both. So, >> they're actually you know what time >> for recommendation?
>> Yes. before they be be before Kieran takes, you know, they as we did last week, we had a motion for police and then it was followed by select board for the police and that was the directive to Kieran or how to handle um hiring and
working with the departments as well as taking down the postings um that were open positions, >> right? >> Did they do that? Thank you. >> Yes, they I saw an email from the blast from the town the the website administrator that said they were taken
down to town. >> What do you know what time we're meeting with the board of selectment next week? >> Um >> well yeah I'll be sending out the agenda >> probably tomorrow cuz I just sent it in
to the clerk today. >> Okay. >> For the 24th. >> Okay. >> Um >> Okay. So it's 6 o'clock and a 605 >> like you have business for >> No, I just put 605 >> and the only thing we're doing is recommending a meeting
>> recommendations and all the budget summit. >> So if nobody else has a meeting up there then I'll >> commission. >> Okay, that'll be good. I mean I think you know I think their their case has to
be heard I mean by by everybody on the board so we can all the input's important. >> It it is I mean much like the u police chief was there um >> yeah spoke to what what the situation with
the highway department was and it was in the email. So we we had all that information, >> but this is a little different because the police, they only want to put on three people. What? However, they're still moving forward. They can still work, right?
>> This program depends depends on your level. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> So what did we say? It was not really about freeze. It was about what? Oh, what what do we say? >> The hiring freeze with exemptions. What
exceptions? Well, yeah, but it wasn't like they were hiring. >> Oh. >> Oh, yeah. I know. >> You know what I'm trying to get at >> because a lot of those kids were already hired. >> That's right. They're already in the system,
>> right? So, it's it was like a pause was put on their employment. >> Go on unemployment for a minute. >> That's sort of the same thing with Roger's. >> Yeah. Yes. >> Because they're on pause. >> Yeah. >> Right. But Roger has a fun, >> but he has >> Yes, she does.
>> But she But Rick doesn't. >> Wreck doesn't. But yet they have a revolving account that the income goes into that revolving account and >> all those counselors get paid on. But Emmy doesn't, but the rest of them,
>> right? So the the their staff is not tax money. >> It comes out and it doesn't come out of the general budget. Correct. In that respect, they're selfunded. >> Right. >> Okay.
>> Right. The programs are supposed to be >> those positions are self she's trying to hire are >> selfunded. But I think we have to hear them out. And then >> by Yeah. by the programs, >> right? >> She does. She They paid for it. It's not
a big Corey. It's I'm going to show the short Corey. >> Yeah. >> In their physicals. That comes out of the money, too. >> Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, they said cory's were paid for by Cory's were free. >> Yeah. >> The kind of cories they do, they don't do the whole nights and stuff like that. >> And drug testing. >> Yeah.
>> They did drug testing. >> Drug testing. Physicals. >> Physicals. And my favorite uniforms. >> Yeah. >> The t-shirts. >> But they make they make them. >> Yeah. But still, I think they should get a sponsor. But that's my theory.
>> No, we do. Somebody would sponsor them. They can make them. Somebody gives 250 bucks and they make them. What's the deal? >> The deal is it's always the business owner says the deal. >> That's cuz that's cuz I'm >> Yeah, always knocking on the door.
>> Yeah, we have two new businesses though. >> It's knock guys in the pro. >> We have two business. >> Two new business. >> They stand open. >> Oh, I saw the sign. >> Yes, it is. Oh, Starbucks.
>> They're still going to open it even after they closed off. Even though they closed the other one location, they're opening one in town. >> Gourmet donut. Gourmet either donuts. The donut shop donuts on the gourmet. We got three
donut trucks. They're going to tear everything down. Rebuild up. >> Yeah, I heard about them. I don't want to hear about them. >> Oh, okay. >> You mean at the gas station? >> Yeah. >> No, I'm sorry. It's not that high pollutant to do with the gas. >> I want real coffee.
>> I want real coffee. >> Right in the middle. Oh, because it is. >> So, we're going to try to have the rec committee come in next next Tuesday. >> Yeah, we'll I'll send the invitation out
>> and hopefully they'll be able to respond in time, >> right? >> I think they might be waiting for us. >> They They could be. I I sent I sent the reply that they once made sure what our requests were for them um that we'd invite them.
>> Okay. kind of and I didn't know what our schedule was yet, so I couldn't I didn't couldn't they >> give him a date. >> I couldn't give him a day. It's kind of like >> Yeah, I think we got to hear them out. I mean, >> yeah, it's kind of like So, we hear Okay, so next item two. Um,
>> we accept the minute presented by Carol Pops. >> Okay. And so, I actually read that book. It's kind of like and that's why I have so we're doing the the three I have were
December 23rd, >> January 13th, January 20th. >> Yep. I looked them over. They look good. >> Did you look? I did too. Yeah, they look good. >> I read the deadlines. >> That counts.
>> That counts. Do we do them all at once or do they have if there's no changes? If we come once >> as long as you say who the dates are. Yeah. I All right. Oh, I make my motion to accept the minutes for December 23rd,
2025, January 13, 2026, and January 20th, 2026 as presented by Carol Hobs. Second. >> Okay, we have a second. >> All in favor? >> All opposed.
Passes unanimous. Thank you. >> Okay. Review the trash report. >> So if we do, I'm sorry. This trash program can report. Um, so if there's there's two sheets, this one
>> there's two sheets. Um, this is the January tonnage that is not in the in their presentation, but so I just put that on the side. We'll get we'll get to it when we go over there. >> So, which one are we doing? This one first. >> Yeah, we'll do the um this
one. Yep. And I'm just taking a look what you see. >> Now is does that grant um is that grant
solid at 23,237? >> That that is the remainder. It's kind of like so there there is details behind that and I apologize if something else is small. >> Okay. So what I'd like to do is start the next >> is is start on the third page which is
the 20 the FY 2026 summary. So on the top left you'll see this says FY 26 July 25 to January January 26. >> Okay. Okay. So this is the program
status as of um what they had and this all this information we're looking at is posted on the board of health website. >> So this is as of January 31st essentially. >> This is as of January 31st um with with the invoices that had been presented
before that. So you'll see the sticker revenues. Um the estimated column was 225,000. the actual revenue for stickers was $276,45950. Um, so then they got the net and so the
stickers were to the possib. >> Yes. >> On the bags. >> Yeah. >> Are we still going through like a third party? Wait, are we like >> go through the We should be talking to the board of health about decision.
>> Oh, all right. We really should. >> Okay. >> Well, what >> just order from the company bags and going direct rather than going third party at through a um >> I think we're getting I think we are ordering directly from the bag manufacturer, aren't we?
>> No, the No, it it's kind of it the the bags are manufactured by way zero. They don't have retail available. So that's why we have the Hannerfords and the Big Dads and the other places that are selling them. There's a list of about six.
>> Well, I thought I thought Waist Zero was the middleman. >> I thought We Zero was the middleman. >> Waist Zero is the manufacturer of the bags. >> The middleman. >> Yeah. So they so the process will start if Hannerford needs bags they will
submit a purchase order to waste zero and waist zero will bill Hannifford for them >> and Hannerford pays it >> and Hannerford pays that invoice. Yes. Then they will take their cut off but no actually there's no cut for the
retailer. The retailers are doing this um to support the town. Um, so >> yeah, the retailers can't do anything. >> They can't charge >> they can't charge anything more than what the bag costs. Net zero gets what?
A portion of the sales of the bags. >> They they and >> but they take it off the top. >> They they Okay. So they the they they will get a purchase order and ship the bags to to um
>> Hanford. Anford will sell them for the set prices. The in 26 it's 350 for the large bags and 225 a bag for um the little bags. The revenue will then be sent from Hannerford to waist zero.
That's the account. So >> So how do we get paid? >> Then waist zero pays us transfers the money at the end of >> zero takes their money and then pays >> and gives us the rest. >> Correct. Yeah, >> based on the number of bags and the size bags that were sold.
>> So, we are dealing directly with the bag manufacturer. >> I didn't know that either. >> I thought so. I thought I thought there was a manufacturer. Yeah. So, there's two So, there's two elements to the trash program. And there's the waste zero element of
filling the bags >> and then there's the Shaw element of actually picking up the trash >> and then is the tonnage >> and then well and the tonnage is part of the Shaw element. >> Oh >> right. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So bottom line are we making money or what else? >> Okay. So, if you want to just get to the bottom line because the rest of the revenue um and then they had the stabilization money in there. Then they list all of the expenses to date and you'll see the
net um about >> about 60% down the page. It says net total right now we're running at 84,590 to the to the black. We made that much money. >> Well, no, not necessarily made that much
money. We've we've >> we've we've got 84,000 more in the account than they had estimated up to this point. >> Correct. It's kind of like really good. It's very good. When you when you read the notes in here, the
>> they're too tiny to >> Well, that's why you guys been at this this >> um the price of it is um the tonnage on recycling is way low and the tonnage on
the trash or the waste is a little lower than it's about running eight tons lower than than anticipated at this point. So basically a ton of months. So, how >> Okay, because the stickers will be recurrent, right? We always will have to
buy stickers. >> Yep. So, um >> we'll always be buying bags, right? >> The grant is going away, right? >> After after FY27. >> All right. So, the grant was a 2-year grant >> and it was based on full participation
of 3,400 households, >> people, right? because we only had 2200 that reduced it by about a third. So there was only 42 and change. Um >> but nonetheless it was an offset. >> Yeah, it was an offset. And so this year
we got about 21,000. Um next year it's 23,000 when we when we get to the 20 FY 27 >> and then it goes away completely. Gives you another granted. 28,000 >> in the enterprise fund.
>> I suppose it's possible that you could say I want to claw some of that back. I don't think it would make sense to, >> right? Because I think we should just leave it in the enterprise fund >> for next year. perpetual is that you know but but I would think technically
you pro it seemed like technically if you didn't want to keep it in the enterprise fund then you would need to claw it back as say free cash or whatever >> but I but you I'm saying that would be an option I'm not saying that's an option we would want to you would want
to do I don't think you want to do that >> I think you want to leave the 128 in there >> and work off of that >> and I think if they have a lot excess funds if they find out then it's going to be they're going to try to lower the cost for the users.
That was that was that was their plan lower the price or something. >> Yeah. But I I wouldn't I I would not consider 128,000 enough to say I'm going to lower the price. >> I'm talking about down the road. >> Yeah. Well, because we and and because
everything we've been told is >> everything changes. >> The prices are going nowhere but up. So, we're going to need, you know, >> you're going to need down the >> bag the bag costs are never going down. >> So, um and >> so it's made money. It didn't lose
money. It's a good move. >> Yeah. So far, it's been a good successful. >> So far, it's been successful. It's been paying for itself. >> So, they did a good job. >> And they're not going to come back >> and and say they want more money from
the town. >> Yeah. And I did tell them we we I mean there's a lot of people watching this because the um I did read the contract contract there is a link to it on the board of health website if anybody wants to see the details. Um we do have a 90-day cancellation cost. So, as we
continue to watch and monitor this, if we start seeing revenues dropping off for the bags or or not as larger participation to cover that, that cancellation costs will kick in and that
extra money would would probably support the program through its termination. >> Oh, okay. >> So, it it's kind of like >> if we decide we need to stop. >> If we decide we need to stop. I'm not saying it's going to stop right nothing about that safety
>> we it's a safety net for protecting >> the residents that aren't going to be coming you know we're not going to be coming back the board of health isn't going to come back and and >> well I think it's a good job they did >> it it's it's very good so um
>> and the board of health >> so on the next on that following page you you do get the tonnage um so you can see the the revenue like bag. >> Oh, calculation required. >> Calculation. So, you have your trash. And if you look, the bottom one says
January 26, but that's the invoice that comes in from in December. And that's where these other two sheets come in is um these two feet. I took the invoice details and put them into here to say
the tonnage for January that we'll see in the next report. Trash is 13 >> I know >> tons of Thanksgiving your big days >> and yeah and recycling is 48 times >> well actually November was was low
>> if you look at could because you see the the month before >> the December line is actually for November so the November number was low >> right and December >> and the December number was higher which makes sense for for Christmas y >> right
>> so so I I guess the runs are looking reasonable from that from that. So now if we go back to the front page on that that handle this is the proposals summary for 27.
>> Okay. >> Okay. So if you want to stick on the main page we can we can stick there because we'll get small over here. >> Um so the estimated revenues they're still sticking with the same bag
revenue. It's kind of like at 32,000 a month is the estimate. So that gets you to 384. Um the user fees are the um stickers. Um and in the details they will say that
the stickers are going to 150 in FY27. >> So so the stickers that makes it 330,000. Oh no. >> Yes. 330,000 is the sticker fee at 2 >> sticker at 150. at 150 is is the base.
There's 150 and then you got the two other levels for two family and family. I mean, and they went up $25 each also. Just so it was a flat $25 more to stick. >> You pay extra sticker and get one trash
picked out >> two a two family versus a three family. So when you get >> Oh, but it has to be a it has to be a two family residence. is a one. You you can't do a a community for, you know, three individual houses in Tim Park get together and do
>> Yeah. >> And you're not going to save all that much anyway. It's kind of like the the three unit sticker is 350, >> you know. So if an individual sticker is 150, you're still paying for the majority of it. So >> So that's 150 and 12 years and 12
months, right? >> And 12 months. And you'll see the pay as you throw grant um is still there >> is still there you know 27. So the total revenue anticipated is 737,237. >> How different is that from what they had?
>> Oh yeah it's about 100,000 months. >> Yeah. And then they get into the expenses for the year. It's kind of like so the the short contract for the curbside pickup goes to 493,350. >> Do we have those offset figures? Oh,
yeah, we do. >> Yeah. >> So, it's 273 last year. Why is it 493 on a flat? Am I reading the right number? >> Because this was a short It wasn't a full year. It was a partial year.
>> 10 months. No, but the you're saying >> it was 275 years. >> Yeah, but that that's for that's up till January. That's not the whole that's not till June. >> That's that's August, September, October, November.
>> So that's 6 months. >> That's a six-month number. >> So two time. Yeah. Okay. So >> y stayed about the same. >> Yep. They didn't go up too much on that. The tonnage is just again because we're running above, we're running below the
estimates. They left them where they were. They didn't bring them down. So that tonnage estimate is based on actual the 7-month data. >> Oh, that we have already in 206 22. The actual or the estimate? >> But you're saying they left the estimate where they they had it before.
>> They left the estimate where it was before, thinking that maybe even more people will come in and some of these other numbers may may do something. Right. It's kind of like but they wanted to leave the tonnage because it was it we we're not
>> better off overestimating than underestimating >> underestimating. We don't we don't want to get a bill we're not expecting. So >> now is there a saturation p point on this that 3,000 households we have 22.
So what happened to the other spouse? >> Um they went private or >> No, I understand that. But I mean is there um an like an outreach or marketing? Do can we absorb another >> Yes. >> 500 or 200? I mean is there
>> Yeah. Um there does not seem to be a saturation point because the the the fee seems to be reasonable for what you have and the bags are offsetting your tonnage charges. So if new people come in, you you get the new
>> you you get the the extra stickers and and the extra bags >> and then the extra bag. >> But we'll make the tonnage go up. >> It will make the tonnage go up. But again, you're the the money you're getting from the bag. So the revenues for the bags will go from 32,000 to say 35,000. Okay.
>> So that topline revenue number for the page of throw bags goes up. >> Gotcha. >> So it's kind of like So it >> So it should balance out. >> Yep. >> Okay. If we have them priced properly, it should balance out. That's that's the goal. >> Right. >> Now, on this recycling,
>> is that when you go to the recycling center or is that what you put on >> because Yeah. So, that's curbside tonnage for the recycling. So, so the first number is the trash only, >> the purple bags, and then the second
number is the recycling that you do. >> So, it's recycling correct only. >> Yep. >> Right. The recycling center has its own. It It's not part of the enterprise fund. They have a revolving fund that is funding. >> I think I knew that. >> Yeah. >> Think I did.
>> Okay. Well, >> I'm not sure. >> Good questions and explanations. It's kind of like it's always always good to you know, >> you can always rely on me for a question. Yeah. Um, there is an administrator stipen that goes with
managing this because it's in addition to the duties that had been in there before. So that's 400 a month. So basically um the receptacle sticker price is 6,500. >> Oh, we have to pay for those. >> We have to pay for the stickers that go on.
>> Oh, right. I never logo. >> Yeah. >> Who's going to give them to you? >> Oh, >> yeah. You're going to get them donated. Okay. Well, go on. >> Nope. It's kind of like and then under the other expenses is listed for the
mailings to education and materials and that >> but they might not have to do that again, right? Cuz wasn't that part of the launching. >> Um >> they probably still have to do that to to to tell people to renew >> and and especially this year because it started in September that people may
think it goes for years. So there's the education to say no it it's really you have to have a sticker by July 1st. >> Very nice with the low assistance. I like that community >> and um with the other they are also
going to mail the labels this year. So if if you don't want to come to town hall and pick it up >> because again that that increased the the hours in the office that you had to be there for people to give people time to come in
>> but mailing is a sticker. >> It is >> well they they're they're going to be the stickers will be smaller this year and um >> like a car sticker. >> No, probably not that small. Probably about half the size of what we have. So
it could fold in half going. >> That's going to be an expensive >> number. You get the same number. >> No, I don't think so. You kind of >> like that so everybody gets the money. Just get the number for >> Well, they think about the labor going in and say,
"I'm going to put this sticker in the mail envelope for 23 a street." It's kind of like to make sure I get the same sticker number. It's kind of like that. It's >> No, but if you didn't, if they had a registration portal, they wouldn't have
to give new stickers every year. Unless your sticker got ruined by >> Well, but you But see, then you >> No, but you need a sticker. So, so if if I don't have to get a new sticker, >> I can say, "Oh, I'm not going to pay." And I still have my sticker, right?
>> Never mind. Never mind. >> Okay. You're right. You're right. You're right. Okay. Sorry. Yeah, I didn't think I forgot about the people. >> It's good if anybody's listening or watches it. It's kind of like they they hear >> not going to be able to scam, >> right? That's Yeah. Well, you >> No, I hear you.
>> You can't afford to We can't afford to let that happen. >> Oh, yeah. I didn't think there. >> Oh, you you have to each year you've got to >> Right. And redo. >> Yeah. You have to redo. And And again, when we get into the details, I'll I'll explain a little bit there, too. Um, so
the mailing the mailings it it's a little more expensive, but it's a tradeoff in that we don't have to have the office open there for people to come in and get them. People still have the option to come in and get them, but >> during regular hours heavy
>> special hours for the >> which Yeah. which increased the work hours. >> Yep. >> But are they open one night late one night? >> I believe yes. >> Tuesday. So, why can't people just come in? >> Okay.
>> I mean, I'm just >> I know, but I'm trying to >> I'll probably come in anywhere. >> Um save if you know if we can save money anywhere we can >> if if people want to save money, they can they can say, "I'll pick it up instead of mailing it." It's kind of like
>> add a search charge for the mailing. Well, the state does >> pay your business fine or fee. >> 20 bucks just for the privilege of doing it online. >> Are you going are they going to be able to do it online and pay online?
>> Yes. >> Oh, I thought you could pay online that >> you can you can pay online. Do they get all the money though or do they have to pay some silly >> I don't pay so it might be $158
if you pay online >> and you're you're paying >> because you will pay you will pay I think it depends on your method I think it's 75 cents if you >> use a check >> use a check and it's a percentage of the transaction if you use credit card
>> but >> and they don't not take cash, right? >> Um, I think they would take cash in the office and they would take a check in the office. I don't think we take credit card in the building. >> There's no search charge on cash, right?
>> No search charge on. >> Yeah. And if you have pennies and pay all the pennies, I think. >> Oh my. >> There might be a search charge for that. >> I bet >> search charge would be thrown back,000 worth of extras. Wow. Yeah. >> Yeah. But that wouldn't the mailing of
the labels come under that? Maybe. >> Yeah. >> It wouldn't go into mailings. >> It's it's going at the it's under the mailings. That's >> so mean like what? >> There's going to be additional mailings. There will be informational mailings as
as well as sticker mailings. >> There's still mailings. >> So that's not underneath the other word says mailings. >> It is. I'm sorry. Um >> because then we got extra unforeseen which is >> that's for the year. So that's >> was scary.
>> Well, it it is but we're still we're still only 16, you know, 6 months into the program. 7 months into the program if there's a search charge if if if there's a spike, >> maybe if there's don't collect >> what if maybe cover something that
>> Yeah, I think it's it's it's probably not a bad idea at this point to I just because we okay we we've gone six months. >> Yeah. >> Leave the extra in there and and see how we finish this year. See how we're going next year.
>> We go next year. Maybe we don't need to, you know, >> and and again, this is for budgeting purposes. If they don't use it, it carries forward in the enterprise. >> Oh, it doesn't go into free cash. >> It does not go in. This is this is enterprise. This is this is them trying to say if something comes up that we
didn't think of, you know, if we have to do additional if if 100 people come in and they're out of labels and they need to print more, that's not in >> Right. Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. Cuz they they've figured so many stickers and if
>> 400 people say I want to join, right? Oh, okay. Well, there's a new sticker. So, that's smart. That's smart. That was responsible budgeting. >> It is. Y >> something something we can >> Right, Carol? >> Yes. >> Not >> and
>> credits do. Yeah. >> Yep. So it so the total of the expenses is coming to the $797 and that's where this is $60,000 difference and that's why they're going to transfer 60,000. So, what is this mean?
>> Yeah, I guess I'm not sure what that >> what indirect >> they the mean $20,000. I don't understand that because she's getting >> No, no, no. Is indirect is is it a sentence indirect salary administration
benefits or is it indirect nothing and salary administration? Oh, direct if if you're if I'm doing the call the what we just looked at were direct expenses. >> This is indirect. >> Direct expenses. >> Yeah. Indirect.
>> Oh, I Oh, good. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, does that mean they'll take that out of the enterprise fund to pay >> a portion of Carlos >> salary or benefits, Medicare, retirement?
>> I thought the portion of her salary is the stipen. That's what she's getting paid extra. But so when you have an enterprise fund, I believe the way it works is that if you have an employee who has insurance and everything, they have to pay something out of
>> a portion. Yeah. A portion of it. >> Okay. >> Because of the services that they use for the town. >> Exactly. Yeah. >> So she's getting half paid by the town and half paid by the enterprise. >> Correct. Yeah.
Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And it won't be at 30. >> Well, whatever then percentage percentage >> there's a percentage of her salary that >> Yeah. I don't know how they figure. >> So, a percentage of her salary benefits in retirement is coming in
>> and that's like mandated if you have a >> if you have somebody. >> So, that's and and that's where the 60,000 sort of comes from. Right. So after after the total of expenses, it
was 700. And so there's a deficit of 60,000 using these numbers. And so that's why they're they're saying of the 124 they expect or they're going to use the 60. >> They're going to use 60 to that deficit, >> right? >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And that deficit was created by >> of all of the numbers you the revenue minus the expenses. >> Yeah. >> Well, then >> so the expenses exceeded the revenue by >> by 60,000.
>> By 60,000. >> That's what they're that's what they're that's what they're budgeting for next year. But that's I mean that's not that's what if it's like this year and there's extra revenue and and that that will get wiped
out but going in they need to make sure that 60,000 >> that >> and then they have the 68,000 as a as a cushion. >> That seems reasonable for a new program that we're not 100% sure >> right. Does it >> Well, you got to have a cush. Yeah, we
have to have a cushion next year. Absolutely. >> Um That's right. And going into FY28 that kind of >> let's not go there yet. >> But it it'll be there. So then the second sheet is is the tiny tiny frankly um >> just breaking all this down. So this was
the annual numbers we just looked at. This is this one. >> This is all the monthly numbers. >> Oh my coming in. So um >> but this is good. >> But it it is it and we we had the conversation. um they have to start
selling stickers because it's the July 1st implementation date. So the revenue is probably going to you're going to start seeing it >> at the end of FY26. Not not all here. >> Um >> right. The 330,000 in July for user fees
is actually going to come prior. >> Probably prior because we have to have a July 1 pickup. You have to have a sticker that says >> by July 1. >> By July one. So, it's kind of like so >> like we had to have it by September, whatever it was. >> And you're going to have to order the stickers,
>> right? Right. So, the monthly is going to absolutely >> Yeah. So, this is this is just an estimate of a layout. And you'll see that they didn't have bag revenue for the year because they expected it to be delayed by a month like everything else. >> And so, you'll see that they carried it
in in FY28. um they show July of 27 where they actually do the last payouts and revenue. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Forward. And so, you know, they there's a couple of things in that column, but the rest of it is just
trying to show um it's like accounts receivable and accounts payable at the end of a fiscal year. You have to al them up and say I still owe this for for this year and I'm still owed this much revenue. So it's kind of like so that's that's all that that last last page is
going. So when you look at the 12 months you could even maybe crunch it down. But >> so this was a successful >> I think I think it was successful. >> Yeah. In general I would I would say yes. I think it has been
>> successful. Well, I guess I would have liked to see a little more overage than I would ra I would rather have seen the overage match what we put in >> at 160. >> Yeah. >> But if we end if we truly end at 128,
>> then that's that's pretty close. >> Um I mean I >> So Dave, okay, that's a good point. So if we had those extra two months that we missed on, wouldn't we have >> if you divide that out by 12? That's that's another >> I don't know. I I I I I I don't know and
I'm not sure that we'd ever really be able to figure that out in a way that would make any sense, >> right? >> Okay. So, I I I think I like that. All right, we're going to increase the sticker fee to to $150. I think that's a
smart thing to do to hedge our bets. And, you know, the bag fees aren't changing either. I think that's a smart thing. I don't think we should change any of that yet, you know, cuz because while we have good data right now, it's not like we
have consistent data because it's only 6 months, right? >> So, when we get into say next August, we'll be able to turn we'll be able to look back and see, okay, how did our entire 10-month period go? How did our bag revenues truly fluctuate? We some
we'll have a year and then we can just watch it >> and we and then we just watch it next year to see okay does it roughly track from the prior year you know does the how have the numbers changed how many people have dropped how many people have joined you know are the numbers stable
are the numbers changing you know and then we and because then I think at least we'll be prepared for okay when the next price shock comes from Shaw which it's going to Right. Because Massachusetts, I mean, that that lady
was telling us at the last year's budget, >> no landfills are Massachusetts. So, we're going to have to ship it all out on barges to the ocean or something like that. I don't know. But, or we're going to have to ship it to places that have incinerators because I'm you can bet
they're not going to build an incinerator in this state. There's no way. There's no way that anybody would ever agree to that. >> But that's, you know, those are your two choices for garbage. You either burn it or you bury it >> or you dump it in the ocean. I mean, I
guess that's the third choice, but I don't think there's too many people that >> But I mean, that's, you know, those are your two choices, right? You burn it or you bury it. >> So, going back to the sticker. >> Yeah. And you know, if we say we're going to
raise the price of the sticker, I think we should also tell the taxpayers we're not really raising the price cuz the 125 was for only for 10 months, not 12. >> So, it really was a $150 sticker, so nothing changed. >> Yeah, they could they could they could
certainly say it that way, but I have no problem. >> Are you in marketing? >> No, not right. >> And I think and I think they did say that. I think they did. I think they did make that point >> right >> in the in the sheet. If you look in their sheet somewhere, I think they did
make that point. >> They might want to make that point like on a little on the little mailing card or whatever reminder card that >> right >> this 150 is for 12 months versus Yeah.
So we expect it and do we don't have any or what's our deal with? >> No, I think we just discuss it and and keep an eye on it. Really? >> Yeah. I mean >> I don't think we need to I don't think there's an action that we need. Certainly not at this point.
>> No, but and it was you know if we were a big part of it when they were setting setting rates and and setting the program. So >> yeah, they did a really good job. I mean they work hard. >> I know, right? And and they work work hard. I mean
>> and they keep working hard. >> Yeah. Yep. And so >> we like it. This gets five stars, right? >> Yes. Actually, they could say that they gave everybody this sticker because Caroling
>> that makes it sound good. >> It does. What they should do is say it's going to be $200, but if you pay like we get a discount. >> That works, too. >> Okay. Now for the real deal. >> Now for the real deal. We
>> Okay, we're going to the Lauren article. >> Yeah. So, unless there, you know, I'll give last questions. Any any further questions? >> Sam, are you happy with the trash >> so far? I mean, it's working beautifully. >> Mhm. Then the numbers will be there
every two weeks in general just yeah just my dollars will benefit the >> I never should add >> the board of the board of health in their second meeting of the month which I think is the the fourth week of the month every month um that's when they're
going to update um the current numbers so we'll start see we'll see the January numbers next Monday at their at their board of health they'll put them into their report. So then fourth week of March, we'll see
their February numbers in in their report. So that that's how they're doing it. It's kind of like >> now I just wanted >> because they don't it takes a while. >> Are they going to do like a report for the taxpayers to show how and if they do can it like be bigger print than this?
>> Um >> it's this. Do you know what I'm saying? >> It's online. I I think the issue I think the part of the problem with that to be honest, >> the thing that this does is it gives you all the data. If you
print it bigger, >> you can't put all the data in there and you're going to wind up >> with something like this where you get more questions than you answer. >> Yeah. >> Right. Cuz cuz when you first looked at this, you had a lot of questions. What about this and this? Yeah. >> Well, that's because this is so you can
read it, but it doesn't have the details >> when you're looking at it online. You can view it with a larger screen. You can you can expand it and look at pieces of it. >> So, I think that's the that's the tradeoff that you're facing there. And that's >> yeah,
>> to have the information there, it's going to be a smaller, you know, if you're going to print it on an 8 and 1 half by 11, right? >> You got to cram it all. You got to cram the information on there. Oh, well, okay. So, we're moving on to what?
>> We're moving on to this article and recommendation sheet. >> So, happy about that. >> Orange high school. >> Is it the high school again?
>> See, we can't hear can't see parking. come out. Remember how many people came in? Three rooms don't >> you have four rooms and the communication? >> Yeah. High school's nice. >> No. >> No. >> Super expensive then. >> Well, it was free
>> if you're free. >> If you're done by I think it was free in the town. >> I'm sorry. >> Sorry. carrying down the old one. I'm putting over. >> Oh. Oh, no. I meant that. >> Yep.
By the beacon hill again. >> Okay. So, what So, what did this board want? What? >> Okay. >> Oh, the free cash stuff. Okay. >> Right. So, >> we we didn't get a response um after our December 23rd meeting or except in our
recommendation for three more. >> Yeah. and I didn't hear back, but that was the Nelson transfer. So, it's kind of like I I think what we have I it's kind of like um we so if we're we'll we'll bring a
article one is to see if the um with the transfer from free cash $41,599.79 for the per purchase implementation and initial subscription of a budget and financial planning software. We did not. We did not. >> We um we we did not >> we did not because we did not get the
full information. >> We we we did. Yes. Correct. So it's kind of like So I would >> So this got slipped in. >> Well, we don't have to recommend it. >> We don't have to recommend. >> Okay. So that's it. Not recommended. >> Well, it we have to vote on that as a
board. Right. >> But but because >> put it on my >> um but because we had that the discussion is going to be we asked them to look at >> other was it three or two >> it would we started with two and we said three because we wanted to see what
Vader was because the account we said two plus >> and we never got that information. We never got that information. But again, I that was the end end of >> Nelson's tenure. >> Nelson's tenure. >> That's not a good enough excuse.
>> No, but it it's kind of like if if it wasn't picked up. >> Well, but that that kind of says, well, we're not we're not ready to do this yet because we don't have we haven't looked at alternatives. >> We're not ready to do we're not ready to recommend this article. That would be saying we have to take that vote.
>> Yeah, we we have to vote on it. Clear gov stuff has been bounding around for over a dozen years now. So we don't have to jump into this thing until we know what kind of software is really appropriate. >> A thousand% two things that also
um I don't think using free cash and allocating free cash right now is a is appropriate. Um because with all the snow we may >> Oh >> um we may be meeting I >> do we have a certified amount of free cash
>> we did >> February 6 558,000 and change I I can I I'll send you the link to the online. How do we get all that >> any more snow and I'm going to volunte
as we as we talked about the 57 when we saw it in the BBA at the end of the year that's only 1% of the budget or one and a half% >> so it's kind of like so it's a little bit here and a little bit there's a little >> it's kind of like so it's not anything >> it's not a big deal
>> it's it's $500,000 worth of cash >> if I yeah if if that was my personal money that would be a lot but500 000 in a 25 26 27 million budget. >> It's it's not a lot. Um so one is the
free cash. If we allocate this to free cash, we may not have it to pay snow ads. >> So that's one of that's one of our recommendations. >> This would be a reason why we this would be a reason why we don't think this is a good idea. And and the other the other
piece I happen to Google clear gov today they have online permanent it's kind of like is clear gov you know basically we we seem to be getting to a point where
we're picking pieces of software and we don't have a cohesive >> oh like one one stop >> a one stop but but a map of all our different systems and what we use because we just put in permitting software in >> Oh yeah. Right right
>> in the building inspector office. So >> permal link. >> Mhm. >> Right. So you have permal link for that but yet clear gov has an option where you can do online permitting including dog licenses. So it's kind of like >> we did that in 2014 I think 13.
>> We should be standardizing with our as possible our >> right of a willy knowing thing. We need more information. We need more information. But I think so I would I would just recommend that or my thought
is we we stick with we don't recommend purchasing it until we we know the whole story >> until we until we get >> until we evaluate alternatives. >> That also includes >> So that's our recommendation is not to purchase until we have more further information. it um right it
>> well is our recommendation basically we recommend that we pass this article or we would recommend that we do not pass this article right that's >> we don't we don't >> and then during the meeting we could stand up and say why >> right on a piece of paper so we can read
>> yeah we will that's >> oh we do have we do put a reason on the piece of paper >> we do okay I'm sorry I didn't do >> we have a So is this we make a mot to not
recommend or make a motion to amend >> we make not recommend. Period. >> Yeah, we we would motion to not recommend. >> Okay. >> Not to recommend. >> So do we we need to we still need to vote? Yes, we need we need to vote, but
it's in conjunction with the vote we had not to not to recommend going forward with clear guard um in December because we only had the presentation. We didn't get there were no questions, you know, >> we didn't have a lot of questions and
yeah, so it was a dog and pony show for for what those features are. Now, I know a lot of other towns use it >> um >> and it is good, but in addition to the free cash in addition to um not seeing a
vision for where we're going with with software um and not seeing alternatives and are they more or less expensive? Do they do what we needed to do? Um, this is also going to put an unknown amount into the budget every year that has to
be covered and we don't have >> not a move. >> It's it No, it's it's adding you you're spending onetime cash but you're adding to the budget year over year. >> So, it's kind of like and if I recall the conversation, the gentleman said it
was about 20,000 a year in licenses. And if you decide to walk away from it after five years, think of that $100,000 into capital into into a capital project. >> So I I mean I think it's a good idea, but
>> what I remember from that dog and pony show um because it says here for the per purchase implementation and initial subscription, >> right? But wasn't but wasn't in the initial subscription was it was like a deferred payment.
>> It was but it wasn't like for a whole year till June or something. >> It was like every couple months or something. >> Wasn't it like $9500 or something like that? June >> and then you paid >> Yeah. >> So I'm not sure this amount of money is
even correct for what it actually would give us. >> Good point. Um. >> Mhm. >> It may not give us a whole year of read. >> We don't know. We don't even know how much it is. No one ever told us.
>> Well, but I just remember that one piece of where they talked about >> that the couple of months. >> Yeah. So much money. They wanted to get on it right away and give us the first six months, >> right? It looks like >> and and because it was in November, they
were presenting it and they wanted to try to implement it through December and turn it on in January, but that was too late in our budget season. >> This only says initial subscription and we don't know what that is, right?
>> So, there could be breakdown of expenses. >> To me, the big thing is is we we wanted to see alternatives and we haven't seen alternatives yet. I don't think we're ready to do anything until we see alternatives. >> Yes. >> And like you said, getting the factf finding of
>> we're using these other different packages for other department >> and you'd kind of like to have one package for the whole town. >> Exactly. And I think to your point, Don, that um everybody else is using is not a good
thing because we don't even know what their needs are. They may not have the same needs that we have. >> Correct. Right. And that that was pieces that >> um yep kind of >> and inappropriate for free cash. >> I I think at that point at at the
special town meeting if if we present this in a special town meeting at the annual maybe because then we'll have the full snow plowing season behind us and we'll have actual numbers. If you're taking money out of that free cash now, we're going to need it for so an ice
cream >> like we did last year when we took the money out for the school now and all of a sudden we were kind of hamstrung. >> We were short and we had it we had to do it with reserve funds. This amount is exceeding the reserve fund. So if we needed needed all of this for snow and
ice, we can't make it up on our reserve fund. That was that was a one time. I mean that that really probably shouldn't have been but because we were at the end of the year, >> right? >> We did. >> Yeah. I I think the this was >> so
>> No, this is >> Do we have to include in the motion the reasons why we're recommending against >> pass? We we we try to impart a little bit of additional information. >> Okay. So, so, so Carol's hopefully written down what we've said about why
we don't want this and then we can type >> we can put that into a into the note. >> But I think that you're right about um >> we need more information. I mean that that we asked for it. We didn't get it and then they slipped this in, >> right? They they put it in. So, you know,
>> when said they slipped it in, they put it in anyway. >> Okay. Well said. >> Take it in. I don't agree with that. >> Thank you. the same. >> I'm still waiting for the presentations of the other two. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, so I will make a motion that we
recommend to not pass article one. >> So, right. So, >> I second that motion. >> Okay. So, it it's a >> you not recommend. >> Yeah. It's it's a motion to not recommend article one. >> Recommend it. >> Okay. Say that again.
>> Okay. We um the the motion is to not recommend article. >> Okay. Not recommend article one. >> Right. Right. >> In our notes we put down why. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So we >> Carol took the notes already. So >> Right. And and
>> do you want do you want to restate? Do you want some I want me to restate what I think the reasons are? >> Okay. Okay. The the motion is Dave, you did it and second it. >> Okay. And that's not recommend article one. Right. Right.
>> Okay. So, one of it is one of the reasons is uh at this time it's not appropriate to use free cash because we may need it for the snow and ice deficit. >> Yeah. >> We had requested that we get um three
more options presented to us of software >> two plus beta >> and uh we're still waiting for that. And then we're also looking at some sort of standardized software for the town >> right also want to understand what the
other departments in the town >> what they need >> what they you what they use why they use what they use now and if there's a way to does it make sense to try to unify it under one package >> use that's excellent very good
>> and that's what we have tried to do in the last few years is to to what the motion is and again we don't >> these these are the bar articles um we don't have the actual motions yet so sometimes sometimes the motions
>> have more detail >> typically the motions though is just reading off the article >> sometimes >> what do you say >> emotions >> that's when they slip in stuff >> oh that's the slip >> that's yeah that's where they really >> oh so we have to paid.
>> We really care >> that night. >> Yeah. >> That's why you want to get a copy of the motions. >> We ask for a copy of the motions and I haven't seen that. >> When will that be availed? >> That day rather. >> Of course. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. It's kind of like So
>> 11th hour production. Yeah. >> Okay. So we had a motion and a second not to not recommend article one. >> Motion is not to recommend article one. I >> and so we'll we can vote and if you're vote in favor, you're voting in favor of
not recommending article one. >> I >> I unanimous >> any any oppos? >> It is unanimous that article one is not recommended by finance committee.
>> Is that also the does the vote count part of the recommendation sheet? We had started it because I thought it was important for the town and the city. >> You went to the town to know if >> No, that's fine. >> Yeah. It's kind of like >> It's good to know if we're unified or we're not unified.
>> Correct. It's kind of like because not all we all have different views >> of of the other >> I think we did that last year. Is that >> there was a few that we were split on. >> Yeah, there were a few initially we had put
>> we put down the vote three to two or whatever it was. Yes. Yeah. >> It's good that you know. >> Yep. I I think Yeah, exactly. So, it's kind of like because >> article two to see if both the radius appropriate or transfer
the sum of 47 4,750 for professional actuarial services to conduct a retiree health insurance authority study for. >> What does that mean? So for retirey health insurance, it's the town does not carry it. Every town
is not car, right? >> It's not supportive. So they want to do a study about it. >> Why are they a study? Do they want it or not? What? >> Well, it's how much it's going to cost, >> right? >> Because Okay, I'm retired and then all of a sudden I can get retiring
>> money, >> health insurance. That's a lot of money. >> That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So >> in actual >> I because I why are we even considering this when we can't balance the budget now >> right well it's one the reason why I think is because it's a way to get
people to come to towns and to work and >> instead keep them right >> because because otherwise a lot of them will go to another town for the last five years. >> Mhm. So >> because the other towns give them retirey
we have a freeze that's that's that's >> it's whoever is retired >> already. Oh so you >> and going forward. Yes. >> Well I wouldn't get money but it I wouldn't get actual cash but they
would pay towards my portion the health insurance. >> Yeah. We don't get it through the state or anything. >> I don't think we can afford that again. And I think tests are a little bit studies have always been >> a little bit
study to say the building is falling down. >> Right. Right. Right. That's what they did with this building, didn't they? Studying >> and and again, I mean, voting for a study is one thing. Then then it would have to come back and and vote it into the budget. >> Yeah. I don't >> I don't think we can afford this right
now. Well, that has been the argument for the last 15 years, >> right? >> That we can't afford. >> We can't but it's only going to get worse as it goes on. So, >> so when either you get it or you don't, right? Or or or are there like 10
different places that you can get it from? >> No. >> What does the study I mean if we want it or we don't want it? >> It's a study so that they can find out how much money it's going to cost. How many people are retired? How many people are looking at retirement? And so what's
the projection? How many people died? >> If you find out that you want to do it and you go to the insurance company, they're going to have a list and they're going to tell you all that stuff, right? >> And you can say, "Okay, no, we don't want it or we're going to move forward." >> Do you know what I'm saying? Like if you're going to sign up, you're going to
have >> So there's no statewide that we can participate in. Well, we have Maya, >> but you can't take that into retirement. >> No, no, because we never accepted it.
>> Thompson never accepted it. >> Is Maya the program? >> It's Maya is our health insurance. >> So, it would be through Maya that we would do it, I believe. So, >> so in other words, we will be giving Maya 4,750 to let us know. >> Oh, I don't know that. No, they're not going to do the the study.
>> Mayer doesn't do the study. >> Mia is our insurance. No, I know. But if you were going to apply for insurance, just person, you say, "Okay, I'm calling up. I need to know how much insurance. I got three kids, a husband, and a dog." They'll say, "Okay, it's going to be $5,000." You say, "You know what? I'm
going to call somebody else." Rather than have us pay somebody to do a study to do that, >> but it's it's not just an individual. We It's the whole >> No, I understand that. But they'll ask you how many employees do you have, how long >> they will ask when you fill out the application, they will ask you all those
questions. You would have to tell a stemi piano, >> but you don't have to cuz I know well my daughter worked for a tree company. She called different um insurance things.
>> Yeah, but that's not what it is. >> It's not what it is. >> No, because they have to figure out >> the aual. Okay, I got it. So, do we have 23 retirees and what their ages are? What their ages are? What ages are life
expectancy and when are you going to retire? When are you going to retire? >> Yeah. Because that's what the actuary does. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Once the retirees go on Medicare, >> right? But you need a supplement
and this would be your supplement. They pay so much towards your supplement. >> Why does somebody pay so much towards my supplement? my needs after. Oh, >> me too. >> I don't know. I So >> I know Medicare is
>> they've been they've been saying I think they did a study quite a while ago and it was exorbitant the might be cheaper now. >> No, >> no. I mean they the number of people that have retired that's and the number
of employees that we have. >> Yeah. who works who work. You're the only one. So, would that entice you >> to retire? >> To work. >> Yeah. >> Well, not to entire to work in towns. I mean, >> yes, >> it would. >> Yes. Because we're losing a lot of
police officers >> because >> let's pick on the police department because >> they're they put in their 30 years, they retire. >> Mhm. >> Okay. neighborhood >> and they want to they want that benefit.
>> So, they will go to another town for their last 5 years or so, >> which could be why we're losing officers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it goes >> I guess I don't understand why all these towns don't get something through this. I I would love to know what the
realities are that everybody's paying everybody that everybody goes somewhere else >> because some towns must cuz I had a girlfriend that worked for the board of health in Weston for years but when she retired she got all these state benefits so they must have
>> adult >> I guess maybe maybe they participated in some kind of whatever the state well we get we get county retirement not social security we get coming retirement, but we don't get insurance through coming retirement.
>> They're talking about health insurance. >> Yeah, I have, you know, I get my Medicare >> A and B and my supplement >> and my RD. >> Okay. So, I get Medic I mean, I'm retired from the federal government, but
I pay for my health insurance. I mean, I have Medicare and then I have federal blue cross Blue Shield, but I pay I also pay >> Yeah. Do they pay because >> Oh, yeah. But they pay part of it. >> See, and that's what the >> Oh, part. >> Yeah. To pay part of it.
>> Oh, part. So, so our health insurance, we paid 25. If you take town insurance, it's 25%. You pay, Tom pays 75% of the premium. >> Okay. >> And I don't know if it would be 5050 on retirement. I don't know. I think that
can be determined. Okay. But >> what it is, I don't think it has to. It's $5,000 to determine whether >> How come I have 9500 window? >> No, it's right. >> I have 4,750
too article. >> Article two. >> Yeah, I like your >> article two. I have 9,500. I don't know where you're coming from. >> It's I printed this. >> I do. How does she off of the printed off of
the touch? >> Okay, there's a glitch. There's a glitch in the glitch. >> Oh, what is this? That's the one that came in. >> I printed this. >> But this one says February 28th also. I mean 10th also. >> Oh, >> look at the bottom. Does it say February 25th at the bottom? >> Right. Two bonds.
>> Yes. >> Sam, what's yours say? You're going to take 47 updated 4750, right? >> And he must have updated that. >> So which one now is correct? >> So which one's correct? >> Yeah. Which one is correct?
>> The one on the website today is 4750. >> I think it's 4750. >> You know what? We don't know for sure. >> No, I would say it's 4750 because this is the first one that came down >> and then they had another one. >> Well, irregardless which one is the correct number. Do you do we want to do
it or not? I mean, why would we need a study every time we want to do something? Why can't we get the information that's suggested? >> But I I understand what Kathy was saying the actuary. You can't you can't you can't
>> say I have this that it's a formula that they have. And >> you do need an actuary because they do go through that whole demographic. But if they Okay. So, say we spent >> 4,750 on the study. >> Mhm. >> Right. >> Right.
>> And then what? Then we say yes or no. >> Well, after they come back with the study, then Yeah. >> It's going to cost you going to cost you $5,000 to figure out if you want to do it or not. >> Correct. >> They're going to tell you it's going to cost you,000, >> right? Because
>> But I mean, aren't you either going to do it or not? I guess that's what I'm trying to get at. We're just >> Does it t >> Well, it depends on what the numbers come back as. >> But does it? >> Yes. >> Yeah, definitely. >> It it does. If it's if it's $50,000,
would you do that if you're going to retain >> employees? So, $300,000 would you do it? world to retain. I mean, how what's the >> Well, when you think about the cost of training somebody to come in, the the salary bump that people want to come
here, it's kind of like um when you're doing it, it it's kind of like it pop up. It's a benefit. It it's a benefit and it's kind of like so knowing knowing what it is and what the cost would be. >> Yeah. >> Might be re, you know, reasonable for that next of how much.
So, do we know what companies we're paying or is that just updated? >> It's probably some actuary company. I mean, there was companies that just >> that's what they do. >> No, I understand that completely, but I'm just nervous about the fact that the number went from 95 to 47. >> Well, yeah.
>> You know what I mean? >> Yeah, I get you there because now we're not really sure, right? >> No. And that's why the motion if you is the motion going to say 9500 or is it going to >> No, it's going to say 4750. Well, you don't know if it is or not. >> Correct. That's that's so so our
recommendation recommendation. Should we say >> I wonder if any of >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. Now we're really here. >> If we're going to make the motion, we choose the 4750. >> We'll say at this
based on the 4750. >> What's your receipt, Steve? Say >> the same thing. February 10th. >> Same date. Yeah. >> Okay. >> It's not It's not time stamps. It's just >> time. >> No, it's not. >> It is time.
>> No, it's just >> I mean, I can run upstairs and see what's outside. >> No, we should have on the posting board, which is the official posting board. >> I can do that if you want. Take two seconds. >> Is it upstairs or just
>> It's upstairs around the corner, isn't it? Isn't it posted around the corner? >> No, it's upstairs. >> When you came in, >> nothing on that board took off the >> unhandids, right? They they played it out. >> This is a very concerning thing to me.
>> Okay. So, are we going to like lose money again or not be able to find them again? You know, >> well, the other thing is if you have two different numbers in there, that makes you question all the other numbers. >> Exactly. >> And again, it's kind of like where is the money coming from? Is this what we
>> raise or appropriate? It doesn't say free cash. It doesn't say so make it out of free. >> Let me just think about this logically. If two years ago it was too expensive, >> what are the chances that it's going to
be okay? And it >> I it two years ago I think they started talking about it as a benefit that >> people returned it but Kathy said they had a test not a test but they did a study and it came back too expensive.
>> Okay. >> So >> again my question >> it's 4750. >> It's 4750. >> Thanks. Um yeah, but it it's kind of like race appropriate or transfer says it's coming from somewhere. It's kind of like
>> and where would that come from? >> Oh, do you know that? Do we know where it's coming from? >> No, we don't know where it's coming from. But >> if they don't raise it inappropriate, I guess it can't come. So, I guess it's not going to get done. But >> but I still don't understand how it
would be cheaper now than it was when you had the original study then. Well, I think >> because it depends on how many people's in the retirement system, right? >> Yeah. How many people died lived? How many people are coming in >> and how many people left? >> How many people left?
>> How many people left that I'm going to be part of? >> I mean, I is it would it be based on number of years? It kind of tell me it's only the last. >> Yeah, I think it's just if you retired from here. I mean I'm not they have to
be a fiveyear mark. >> No, I don't think so. I just use that as an example >> because in the retirement itself if you were hired after 2012 I think it is it's the highest five
you need the last five years >> the last five years something like that >> and they average it out for your retirement. >> But this isn't really your retirement. This is your >> No, I was just explaining that five years. So, if you moved, so Townsen
doesn't pay as much as a lot of the other towns. We all know that. >> Um, >> so you'd want to get your >> highest five years someplace. So, you might want to leave 5 years when you retire. >> Oh. Oh, I see. >> And then you get that benefit.
>> Oh. Oh. So, you would go to like >> conquer bler or something if they hire you. if Yeah, you have to be hired. But >> but there's only three towns in Massachusetts that do not offer >> Oh, really? The other two. I don't know
who the other two are, but we're >> one of them. >> And talk about implementing this. Does that mean that everybody who's still breathing, who's retired over the last 500 years? >> Government. Sam government. >> Once they retire,
>> I think if this was Yeah. Once they retire. Are we going to vote or >> we have to vote on we got to vote on the study thing? >> Figure out another way. We didn't we've had to put everybody on hold for jobs
that are necessary. Um >> kind of affects the jobs of the people. >> I know. But >> this is a tough one to three and come back to this. Can we do that? Okay. >> And I think I should reduce myself from
voting on that. >> No, because it affects Yeah. >> No, it's in that. >> No, I think I think I have to abain or recuse myself or whatever. >> But your information is helpful to us, >> right? I mean, I'm just giving you
>> can have the discussion, >> but I'm not going to vote on it because it affects me, >> right? >> Okay. All right. >> But what if there's a tie? 1 2 3 4 5 six. >> There could be a tie. >> Well, and then you say three voted this
way. >> No, it's kind of But that's the thing. It's kind of like I really don't need to vote unless >> that's the way it was break. >> So that's the benefit of being the chair. >> The only
thing I mean that's that's one of the rules. Fine. >> Okay. >> I don't know. You want to skip or you want to do it? >> Get it over with. >> Let's get it over with. >> Yeah. >> Do we have a motion to recommend or not
recommend that? >> You don't want to let the people down. >> I know. >> But then again, it's the money, you know, >> this is the study. This isn't this isn't putting it into the budget to pay. But if you make a motion to re just say make
a motion to recommend and everybody says no, then it's >> we do not recommend, right? >> Oh, you see what I'm saying? >> It doesn't matter. >> Yeah. All right. So, I'll make a motion
to uh recommend article two. >> Do we have a second? I'll second it. Okay. Thank you. Any further discussion? No being heard. >> Always vote on this one.
>> Okay. Kathy, go out of the room. >> You want I will. >> It makes you feel better. >> It doesn't change my vote either way. >> Well, Sam's >> I'm not going to get mad at anybody. >> No, it's it's really hard. But but it's
not just about you. It's about the whole >> and it's about the bottom line when we get the study back really >> it does help with retention. I mean there is some benefit to to it. >> Well the benefit to doing it is that you
then okay you we'll know what it would cost. >> Yeah. >> Right now we're just saying we're assuming it's going to cost too much >> and it probably is. >> Good argument. Okay. know that >> and gone somewhere else. Yeah, if we're
not ret. >> All right, I'm going to say I'm going to vote for it just because of Dave's attitude or whatever it was you said. Just say I'm going with it. >> I think >> I'm not going with it. >> Okay, Sam's no. >> Sam, give me a yes. Okay,
>> I will vote yes. Of course, because you have the good thing, >> Carol, it's up to you. >> I'm a Yes, Jerry. >> I don't have to go to the very past. >> Wow, you set us right up. >> Are you going to vote? Yes or no?
>> What was that? >> Yes. >> Okay, >> that was a strategy if I ever saw one. Man, >> so it's a four to one. Go >> four to one. Yes. >> Three. >> See, it's okay though. Secretly, I
really don't have >> I don't either. That would be a way to start now. >> He didn't vote. >> He did not vote. So I voted yes. You voted yes. She voted yes. She voted yes. >> He voted no. >> Portal one with an abstension.
>> So I should sit like this now. Yeah. Okay. So, we recommended this reluctantly. >> Well, and you could get up and say that on Tommy Wolf. >> Well, and then everybody would hate us. >> But the thing is what you're going to
say that the reason we voted for it is to see >> just to get the information. >> Get the information >> and because we keep losing people, maybe this is a way to keep the >> retain >> to retain them. >> Retain people. I I wonder okay to get the information.
I think there's a lot more that goes into retaining people though. >> I really do your retirement bank. I understand that people think that that's important. Um but if they worked in the real world they weren't getting any.
>> So if they're coming here with them, >> we still have that we have to hire somebody back because what happens? >> Well, no. I was saying the job has been disappearing along with the person and we just have a handful of openings that are no longer being built.
>> Oh, because we did a freeze, right? >> Yeah. >> So, the person went, they took the job with them. >> Who? >> Whoever they are, whoever was those all those sign, you know, signs out there that had to do with hiring were taken
down. >> Well, keep reading. >> Okay. So, we Okay. article article straight >> article three special retroactive okay >> what do you mean retroactive >> isn't it isn't this the one that's
retroactive >> no this is >> this is to set up a special account for >> why do we need a special account for this >> because isn't there's a there's special service Yes. >> Council,
>> there is there is a line for the town council. But >> what is this one for? >> This this one would be for something that is above and beyond the the normal >> like that might be coming down the line for a million dollars. >> Oh, the lawsuit >> for the lawsuit.
>> Ah. Ah, okay. Make a motion not to recommend. >> Which lawsuits are there? >> Yeah, I know. Which one >> you have coming now? >> Oh, no. The just the million dollar one. >> And what's that one? >> There was there was a company. The water the water >> the water rigging the water contracting.
>> Yeah, the bid rigging. >> So, um I make a motion to not recommend this. >> We better we have to talk about first. >> Yeah. >> If I guess Well, >> so but you're but if we but you're
saying if we have this expensive lawsuit come down and we don't recommend this, what are we are we going to go and defend ourselves without a lawyer? Is that what you're saying? which >> no, but I mean yikes. >> Well, okay. Well, let me put >> there's got to be some accountability
when there's activity that creates a lawsuit for the municipality, right? >> Because >> I mean, I don't think >> all right. He he wouldn't be paid out of the budget lineal because it's not enough. >> There's not enough there. doesn't mean
it doesn't mean that we're they're going to use our town council either, >> right? >> It could be they have to hire somebody that >> kind of why do we have >> because somebody did something wrong. >> Why are we penalized?
>> Because we're the >> because we don't want to have to a million dollars and we're hoping we win. >> Hoping this is like roulette. >> Yeah, I know. Right. Right. I'm not sure if stabilization is the little gum because >> that's an amazing
>> because that stays there. Correct. So if they if they use 30,000 and they have 20, does this mean that because of stabilization that every year they would try to put money into it? >> It's possible. Yeah. I mean that's we do
I understand the line. >> We do that with >> you know it right. We did the >> Well, that was a special article, though. >> That was a special article that that set it up. This is a special article. It's just coming in a special town meeting.
>> Yeah, but it's a stabilization fund. >> It is a stabilization. >> Yeah, you're right. That was just a regular account if we're going to >> special purpose stabiliz. So, it' only be for this one purpose. >> Correct. It's kind of like So, then >> So, we don't like the language. Is that
where you're going with that, Carol? So, where would the $50,000 come from to put in this special fund that money question? >> Yeah, it's kind of like >> I I when I first read it, I thought it was coming out of the stabilization
fund. Legal services council. >> It's not special. >> What if we have to get a special counsel too? >> No. Okay. >> So, this is establish a special purpose stabilization fund. So, so, but where's
the $50,000 coming from? >> Yeah. What's the paying factor? Who's the money? >> Where's the money coming from? Yeah. And they don't have that in there. >> Can't you raise an appropriate transfer? Yeah. That's how >> to raise an appropriate motion. >> Okay. So,
>> that's the problem with doing these without the motions. >> Yeah. Yep. Agreed. I think we're going to have to let's not above and beyond our meetings because we don't have we don't have time to sit down at the table.
>> That's just like not right. That's just not right. >> I mean, we're dealing with other people's money here. That's just not right. >> They about the other thing is if you really think about the lawsuit, is $50,000 even enough money?
>> Exactly. Or it may be >> No, this is just for legal fees. >> No, no, no. You're talking to somebody who got divorced and it was more than 50,000. >> And it's true. And this is going to go on for years. This isn't going to So are they going to try to put this in
>> every year to cover to cover whatever. >> That's what I'm thinking and be sure they got the right people at the right job. This is not fair. >> Okay. Um I we we have done things like this before because we take no action on
an article. >> No, I think we should take action. I think we cannot do that. >> This is not about pushing. >> Is this what we want to do? Take no action. >> Not me. I want to not recommend it. >> But that's just me. >> I re I would like to make a motion.
>> If you take no action, you can say why you taking no action because we don't have enough information. >> There's not enough information in the >> not enough information. At the top on number one, we didn't recommend because we didn't have enough information. >> We didn't recommend number one because
we didn't get but we were >> we had history. >> We had asked for information we weren't given. >> Yes. >> The history we had actual had asked for information we didn't receive. >> So we could say we asked for this this
and this and we didn't get that. And this is >> here. We don't really know anything, >> right? I have no idea where the money's coming from. >> I mean, I I see the raise, appropriate, transfer, but my whole thing is But do you think with a budget so tight, where
are you going to raise appropriate or transfer any any any amount of dollars from anywhere? >> Um, that's a very good point. That's why I I would like >> and that's why you got the not recommend because
>> Okay. For those what you just said, >> okay, >> I would I would like to make a motion to not recommend this article. >> Article three. >> Article three. >> Insufficient information not identified.
>> Okay. So that's c that's um not recommend. >> That's how many of these I >> too many. >> Not too many. >> Oh, not too many.
>> Yeah, but they're not all >> right. >> We just care about the money, >> right? >> These are big deals like $100,000. They have been >> right because the money's so tight and
if they had money that would be fine. >> We can't even fund our rights when you ro >> right pavement plane. >> I mean in the you know when we saw the what is it the ice thing you remember was 400,000 and then it was maybe 450. I
think it could be even more than 450 >> with the snow and ice. Yeah, they can get the money from somewhere else. But the filty people should be paying a penalty for that. But but whenever they say raise appropriate
in transfer, it's like >> there isn't any buckets to raise appropriate >> which is >> which if or if we do this and we find some place to get $50,000. We're now decreasing what the bucket
could be for free cash for next year, which means if we have another year of snow >> and we still have to pay the roads like you said. Well, that's still that program still instead money is
done some but it doesn't do really what we keep on doing >> roads right how many and those are the questions how many road how many miles of road should be paved in a year and how much does >> and how much money cover how many miles >> and then it gets into
>> not lacrosse team. So we don't have to worry about >> so we have no voted on our >> I made it. Kathy seconded it. >> Any other discussion?
Okay. Do we want to do voice vote or just >> We're all here. on Carol House this >> are you thinking about it? No. Are you going to vote? No. I mean voted no. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Wait. No. No. Yeah. The motion is to not recommend. So you're saying >> I'm going to I do not want to recommend >> then then that would be >> Okay. Sorry. No. No. That's that's why I I I had been >> We recognize your confusion.
>> Oh, thank you. >> So, they vote yes to not recommend. >> No. So, yes recommend recommend. >> I abstain. >> Why? >> Cuz I'm I'm totally undecided on whether
or not. I mean, if we're going to have to pay these legal services, maybe we should be >> Ben. You come before after you get the bill. come before the town and say we have need to get the money somewhere in
a town because we owe this guy. >> You can't you got to do it with retainers and things this coming week. Well, with I am >> I mean no I get that Steve >> somehow we're probably get end up doing
this but I want to know how they're going to get the money for >> Oh No, he's But he said he doesn't need to vote unless it's a tie. >> Unless it's a tie. >> Yeah, you both. >> Oh, okay. Oh, so you're not voting. >> Well, is a nice way to get out.
>> Okay, >> that's being chair. >> No, absolutely not. >> Okay, so one, two, three, four, five, and one. Let me count this five. >> I guess
one of you don't have to say it like Dave. Say one. >> You said yes, right? >> I said >> yes. Not two. >> One, two. >> It's in five to zero. Yeah.
>> What's five? >> Oh, yeah. 5 2 3 4 5. Okay. And one up abstain. Okay. I got that right. All right. Now, here's another $50,000. >> Another 50. >> Right. >> Right. This one at least though they say where the money's coming from for this year.
>> Appropriate the sum of 53,000 to fund a oneyear collective bargaining agreement. Okay. >> But the problem is coming from >> Oh, you weren't supposed to do that. But the problem with this is that next year we're going to have to come up the one
year. >> No, it says the one year. >> That's for the next article. It's just for the next This is the one year funding >> collective fund >> funding the >> Oh, the back >> the back the gap year. >> Yeah. But so we fund the gap. So you
make $5 an hour and now you're going to make $7 now. But that goes forward. >> Well, that's what the next >> That's what the next. >> So, but again, I don't know as far as offer funds. >> It's just kind of like >> I think it's the worst thing that ever happened.
>> Well, it is. We're on with our funds and and how much is left? >> We have no idea. >> Do we? >> So, >> no, I I haven't seen I haven't found it on the website. >> We need to assume that they know what they're doing. >> Not a good idea.
>> Sorry, Kathy. >> So, we have to vote on this. >> This something we have to >> Well, this is the one. I mean, we talked about this last week with the police chief, right? Yeah. >> And he he I mean he gave some pretty
convincing details on it. >> Yes. >> Right. And um >> by doing these articles we're funding the new contract that is >> he said to take it out of >> IPA. >> Yes. >> Well he didn't say that. >> Um but I think when they were talking
about how we do it >> it came up. >> It did come up. I think yeah I think the thinking was to fund this year from ARPA and then the next article is the 327,000 >> through an override for next year we have money in our
>> left over I believe there is 9300 remember discussion that came >> what the 93,000 that was oh somewhere >> that they lost and then they found
>> they lost. That's what this is coming out of. I just had I just >> Well, turn it back in. >> This is retro because our money has to be used by December 31st of this year.
It has to all be allocated. And >> but aren't the rules about what you use it for? Um there were and I believe they said it came from salaries and just reallocated salaries. So they allocated it from what? >> That was salary
>> at 93,000. Was it was that was housing? >> Yeah. No, but it was salary. I thought it was salary. >> Hey, it was Yeah, it was housing trust. >> It was a housing trust. Do they have something that they paid? >> No.
>> Yeah. I thought we had the discussion when we were with the slot board administrator that it was salary money being reallocated from wherever to >> Well, was it okay? So then was it for the outreach coordinator her salary
>> Rebecca? >> I thought that was all gone. >> I thought so too, didn't we? We we accounted for that last year. >> But was she still did they still have it for this year? like placeholder. >> I don't know. >> I don't believe that position once. I
think that that was moved. >> I think Don's right. I think it was moved. >> Okay. >> I think it was moved. I I don't know. I I've actually never seen an accounting of Has anybody? >> I I have seen different things.
>> I have at different times, >> but >> when it first came in, so there was a >> Right. and they would they had the um bumper project list up on the website but they haven't been searching for it
because I know for a while it was down. >> Well, should we vote on this? >> I would make recommend. Okay, >> I will second. >> This is to recommend Yeah. >> Um,
>> can I just amend that to confirm that it's coming out of ARA? Because what if we don't have the funds? Then what happens if we recommend it? >> We can make sure it's specific in our that the funds come from ARA. >> Okay. I can I can write recommend
5,000 comes out of the whatever and just put that in there. >> But that is the reason to recommend it, >> right? No. >> Well, I'll put it in a recommendation. I just say recommend to approve the sum of 53,000
that recommends funds. >> I mean, you can vote no. I just think it's easier to say I recommend and vote no than I don't recommend. No, I think you're right. You know what I mean? Yeah. You're No, I agree. Double negative is tricky. Yep.
>> But I didn't make the motion. I just amended it. Well, you qualified it. You disqualified. Yeah. You qualify. Yeah. I mean, the motion is building recommend or not recommend, >> right?
And then this is the comment for >> Yeah. recommend to recommend. >> So, I vote yes. >> I vote yes. >> Who seconded that? >> I did. So Kathy
>> Kathy >> I vote yes. I vote yes. I vote yes. >> Yes. >> Six 630. >> And then this next one is the one they talked about. At least they've got this
one's saying that the the funds come from an override. Right. So at least they're specifying where the funds come from, >> right? >> And that and that basically says that if this article passes at the town meeting, then it goes to the vote
>> to the ballot on the annual ballot. There should be enough time. >> So let me ask this question because I thought about this afterwards. So just we vote for this 327 for the police and it passes the override pass it and then
there's a school deficit and they take all this money and pay it to the school. >> But they can't do that. >> Well, I don't know. Not for the first year. >> The first year a two and a half override goes to what it's allocated for. After that it can only >> it's the general fund.
>> But the first year it has to go. >> It has to go to that. >> Okay. But I have an issue with this because why are we doing an override for one department and not for all? >> Do you mean that every department could ask for an override spec?
>> They could. That's good. >> Well, my other fear is >> Oh, because they could. What was the that at that last meeting with the the town administrator where he had that pretend scenario of a $500,000 override?
And I'm thinking that's why I asked him, is this an override that you want to put on top of the 327? He just said I thought it will come up in May >> or April, whatever. And he Well, no, no. It's just a scenario. Well, >> why like why are we playing with this?
because I'm thinking >> it's not a scenario. So, >> the thing I like about this better is unlike last year where we said we wanted an ex we wanted a $400,000 override. One of the complaints we got was you're not
telling us what this override is for. >> Yeah, that's true. >> So, at least this override we're telling they're saying this is what it is for. >> Well, I know that is good. But Kathy's point is well taken. But almost every employee is in the union in that works
with a in a union that works with a town. So all the others are going to be >> Oh, I see what you're saying. >> Once they see this, >> they're all going to want to be on the bandwagon and say we >> Well, they'd have to do their own
override >> override. And I mean I >> but but if you do it that way, people are going to be more apt to vote for public safety override. >> Mhm. >> Than they are going to vote for a
general salary override for the rest of the town. >> That's true. >> Yes. >> Well, that is true. That that's psychological move. >> That's just my feeling. Yeah. I just I I think it's pitting a department against the rest of them.
>> Mhm. And it is I I can see >> but I think he would well he's trying to protect his um >> he's trying to >> protecting people and I understand that completely. >> No, I get it. >> Yeah. No, and it's a good thing. But he also >> I just like the way he he said I've got
A, B, and C. You pick. >> Mhm. >> You know, he was really reasonable. I mean, he didn't say, "I want this." He didn't give you a sales pitch. >> No, he didn't. He gave facts and he said, "Here it is, and you can pick A, you can pick B. You can pick C." You hear it. It's on you. I'll make it work
no matter what you bring. That's what he said. >> And again, he can present at with permission because I don't Is he town or out of town? >> Out of town. >> Out of town. So he >> But he's a department head. >> He's a department head. So he can speak at the town meeting and present the same to the whole town.
>> Yeah. So this this you know puts puts it on there and then you know from from there this this would approve we would say it's recommended to the town's people they get to vote on the article that
>> well I do think the town should vote but >> and and I like Dave's idea about we know what it is but I really think Cathy's is a caveat to us. It opens a door for everybody to put >> right >> to put their order in so to speak and
then where are we? >> Well, not only then we have to say no to like assessor or no to facilities. >> We probably do it according to the union. >> They do union. Okay. >> Supervisor's union or
>> so supervisors but we say yes to the police that you're saying. >> Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, I I guess I I support this because of I mean, part of that is the fact that you >> you have to have well, you have to have
certain you have to have certain coverage from the police patrol. So, if you don't have if you don't do this, then you're paying more in the overtime. >> That was the other. You have the whole issue of >> No, his argument was very well presented.
>> Yeah. >> Right. >> You'll have you won't do the >> If we don't hire the people that >> No, but that's not this isn't for hiring the people. >> Yeah, it is. >> I think it is Kevin. >> It's for the braces.
>> Bargaining agreement. It's not for the three people. >> Well, the bargaining agreement also includes >> the bargaining agreement. number of officers. >> Yeah, I think the party included the number of officers >> because that that's that was >> I'm afraid I watched online >> that's what generated the number of 15
officers >> and was the bargaining unit to cover and have certain amount of coverage >> but the bargaining >> the bargaining created the 15 correct >> right and that's what this is that's what this >> covers >> covers
cuz right now we're so many short and this covers Mhm. >> Bringing those bringing those people online short because they originally bargained to have 15, but now we only have 13, right? >> I think it's 12 or >> 12. 12. Yeah, I think there's three
vacancies. >> Yeah, three. >> This is not like we're violating the Com of Massachusetts rules. This is the bargaining. >> This is the contract to be the thing is you have to have you can't have one person on a road. It has to be two at a time, >> right? Where we would be violating the
rules is if we did not hire these people and you said, "Okay, you can't pay the guys overtime." >> Now, you'd be violating the rules because if you can't pay the guys overtime, you don't have enough to to run the patrols. You'd have times where there are no patrols. >> No, you don't. >> And that's what And that's I guess that
would be violating the state rules. But what happens if all I guess we'll just have to deal with it when it comes along but because Kathy's point scares me. I >> agree with coming exactly where that's coming from and it is pitting one department against.
>> Yeah. And I just think that's not a good way to run the government. >> Well, no one's >> there's no good way to run the government. >> Yeah. No, there isn't government. I guess that's >> there is no good way to run the government. I know from experience. But what if that happens? And what kind of a
pickle are we in? We're going to say no to somebody and yes to others. >> Yeah, we are. >> There you go. >> Okay. >> I mean, if reality is >> the reality is is is if we don't bring these people on board,
we're going to be paying the other guys more and burning them out so they leave, right? >> And then we'll be in a bill pickle. Um I mean and that was the that was one of the things that the chief said if if we don't do this and they are >> he had AB and C right
>> right but but he but his I mean his alternatives well he said we can we'll try to make it work with these alternatives if we don't do this it's not going to be easy and we're going to be in danger of losing more people >> right which then gets more costly bringing in more rain and training and
and they'll leave and then we won't have to worry about Yeah. >> Well, people are doing that anyway. They're just moving out of Massachusetts. >> Oh, yeah. >> Well, yeah, they're doing that. >> Okay. Someone's going to make you look
and this is just to put it on the ballot, >> right? >> This is only to recommend. >> This is to recommend it to >> recommend putting it on the ballot. >> No, recommend it to the that the town passes this motion to put it on the ballot. >> Put it on the ballot. >> It's still on the town still has a vote
on it. No, I totally get that. And you know what? And I and my mind says the town should vote on it. >> Correct. I I >> the people should vote. I agree. >> And but but is this to put it on the ballot or is this to recommend it? >> This is to recommend this article pass
at town meeting which if it passes at town meeting then it gets on the ballot for everybody to >> so we did say. >> So this is this is just the first step of us saying yes this is >> we should do this. >> So I can see this thing. I can make promotions. I'm not doing And I'm just going I'm practicing.
>> I want to make I want to make you practice. >> Okay. I want I would I'm make a motion. >> Yes. >> To recommend that this article by be put on the warrant.
>> Do we vote? >> No, but it's already on the warrant to be to put on just to recommend >> to recommend it. >> The finance committee recommends this article. No, we are that we recommend and we don't. That's all we really have to do. >> Right. So, it just make it simple. We
recommend medical science. >> Do you think they're going to ask us why we're recommending it? And and the answer would be because we want the people to vote >> and we want the people so the people can vote their way. >> Yeah.
We should put that down. I think we should put that down because I I think >> if if that's our reasoning for making decision. >> So that's my reasoning for making the motion because I do believe the people should vote. >> The voters should have a choice. >> Yes. I I still believe in democracy.
Still working me. >> So yeah, we got that. >> Yes. So the voters should have a choice to be now. I can make a motion. >> Okay. I was like make the motion that we
recommend this article 5 >> and that's all you got to do >> so the people can vote >> you know you don't that just >> yeah no matter whether we >> the article says put it on the ballot
>> okay there you go >> yeah uh no we're not done we have to vote >> I'll second it >> okay we have a motion in a second >> all in favor I no >> she say
I I I think it should move forward to the to the ballot period. >> As far as I'm concerned, it can bypass our committee, can bypass the town meeting, go straight to the ballot. >> We can't do that. I know, but what I'm saying is that's that's the only place
that's really important to me. >> Somebody to get up, you know, >> are there other articles that are >> maybe six and seven don't, right? >> Um to the soccer fields.
>> Oh, we Oh. Oh. Oh, let me read this information. >> Well, but that doesn't involve money. So, we don't have to take action on that, >> right? Yeah. Yeah, that's not >> what they What How much are they leasing it for? This is all about money. Excuse me. I think this is all about money. What
What are they leasing it for for 50 years? >> I don't know that they're leasing it for anything. >> My point exactly. We have real estate that is valuable to someone who is making money and we're not getting any money. I don't think that's a good level.
>> Okay. Okay. So, we'll tell the kids they can't we'll tell the kids they can't play soccer. >> No, I'm not telling you. What I'm saying is >> why aren't we getting >> thousands a year? Why aren't we getting something? >> We talking about the sand pit on the way
out of town on the left hand side or >> at least Yeah. >> Let them have it. as there there are people I remember if it weren't for CO my daughter was active in that until she
was canned out of it by co and never went back >> I agree the field and develop the field right >> yeah they maintain the fields they maintain the fields but they put the field but they weren't they grow
the fields in and paid to have >> Yeah, those fields weren't there before. >> No, but the soccer association put those fields in paid for it. >> They get it. But they make >> they make money. They're they're a for-profit organization.
>> No, they're not. They're not. It's not. >> No, their fee was very reasonable to the point of they're basically there to provide the kids a place to play soccer. >> I thought it was I thought it was for profit. >> No, it's not profit. All right. Then I stand. >> No, the fees to to defend and the soccer
game were a hell of a lot better than they are now for my daughter to do the mile five mile another part. But now I understand it's nonprofit. >> It's not a problem. >> And you're sure on that, right? >> Wow. I feel like I've paid for whole town. I know for you.
>> This is above and beyond. This is X number of dollars that she can do next whatever. Not the uniform. >> You don't have to do whatever you could call running.
>> You'll be taking money out of the town to amend the town code by inserting a new chapter 38 entitled town code. The town clerk money is money. >> I don't even understand.
There is no eight. There was a >> Oh, yeah. It was written safe 2count. >> That's article nine. Article 8 was removed and they never >> nine. >> Well, nine.
>> Well, that's one nine. >> Article nine. >> Okay, let's go back to that again. Kathy, pause. Wait a minute. I don't think Yeah, Dave. >> Eight is a town clerk.
>> He changed it. >> I don't even understand. >> Yeah. >> So, we have two different >> butane is there. And if you start on the next page, it's trying to take and put the time court into the charter.
>> Um, >> but charter. Okay, I get it. And then I have a knife. >> Yeah, right. My nine says >> then you have nine for $20,000. >> $20,000. >> Free cash. >> Y nine. We're skipping eight. We're
going to nine. >> Yeah. You're going to 10. >> I'm changing. >> Okay. >> So, nine is is at the bottom of >> and article 9 is trying to
um appropriate um $20,000 from free cash and put it into the special account. >> We really need English really if because the election the elections funds that are in the budget aren't enough to cover
all the elections. This was set up and had some money in it and it's been depleted. Um we set up >> well 2024 >> um so that there was money set aside for the elections window more than
>> No, I know. So we just need a vote on this, >> right? We need we need a a motion. Yeah. summer we had going >> um >> late summer. >> I'll make a motion to um appropriate the amount of $20,000.
>> No, you just recommend the article. >> Recommend the article. >> Sorry. Recommend the article. >> Okay. >> Whatever it is, >> I'll second it. >> All right. >> Okay. >> Any any further discussion on
I mention it's just we plan to vote on >> Yep. If we're set questions, >> secondary second. >> Any
questions? Now we need to we need to vote on >> I don't do we have any other >> voting questions? >> Yeah. Any other questions on what the 20,000 >> Okay, then >> yes. >> Vote >> yes. >> Yes. >> Yes.
Yes. >> Yes. >> Unanimous six. >> So 10 11 we have to take any action on right. No vote. No 10. >> Oh the linguistics.
>> Yeah. So forward with like what a wave. Um the camera making correction just mean >> right but we don't have to we don't have
to either one of those >> don't recommend yeah it's it's kind of like I forget exactly >> but we only recommend the bunny ones that's right there was one >> right so we Now we prep our agenda for
next meeting and do we have >> Yeah. >> Um so um we have it's going to be on the 24th. We're going to it's going to be like capital planning and select fourth to see the recommendations that for
capital planning um and then we'll >> do the >> we'll invite the recreation committee >> recreation committee and then get the update uh from the revolving fund for January numbers. Yeah, because they they should have >> meeting up with the selected.
>> Not it's one of those joint meet. How come we have three? I thought we'd have to >> Well, oh, this is that their capital planning meeting. No, it just have to do the recommendations. So,
after f this Friday, will we sit and do the recommendations? >> But why is Finn Oh, cuz Finn needs to know, right? what what what the money is that we're saying >> we're going to do with >> and we don't know what time that is yet >> 6:00. >> Oh, it is. >> So, okay.
>> So, the idea >> Oh, and I will have I I just uh it I made a John called me or Jack called me because I had one typo with the time. So, he was fixing
that and it should be posted. >> Oh, okay. He posted it today. It'll be posted tomorrow. So, I'll send it out. >> Okay. >> Um because I think I sent you the agenda for Friday. >> Yeah, you did. Okay. So, then I I'll
send the one out for Tuesday tomorrow. >> So, we're meeting here Tuesday. >> Did she talk to whom? >> Well, I'm going to be presenting the capital planning >> to us on Tuesday >> to you and the U select board. Okay. So,
it's a joint meeting with the flag board. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And capital planning committee you and because these three are >> and I'm the chair of the capital planning comm to catch up. There's been a lot of things going around. >> We have to open a meeting because
there's three of you each each meeting. Yes. >> We each have to open a week. Well, you >> just can I make a motion to adjourn our meeting
>> of second night? >> You can make a motion to >> 15. Do we have a second? >> I'll second that one. I 15 in the evening. >> Goodbye. I >> Thank you. I've seen it every