Call the meeting to order. This is the Towns and Finance Committee and we'll call the meeting to order at 6:13 p.m. Uh, roll call attendance, please. >> Jerzikas, mayor J. Charles, yes. >> John H, present. Uh, with that, we have
four members present in the room. I don't see any online. Um, but we we do have a quum, so we are good to continue. This meeting is being cancelled long day. Um meeting is is being recorded. It will
be um available for playback on the local cable channels and also on YouTube channel. Um is there anyone else recording the meeting? >> Yes, I'm going to be recording the canceled meeting. Thank you.
>> At this point, I think you guys muted yourself somehow. You hear us, Cindy? Can you hear us now? Sorry. Stop. I really like it. time when I said Are you with the office?
>> I can hear you like barely. It's like barely coming through. >> Okay. Um, that was >> we can we can hear you now. It's Don't touch anything. >> Okay. >> Great. Great. >> It seems like when I when I unmuted
before and then muted again, we lost sound and then when he just came on and spoke to you, he came back. So, okay. It's some the It's the owl doing something, but it's it's getting triggered by us doing something. I It's
probably got a loose wire or something. >> Yep. It's It's the owl being a bath hanging from the ceiling, it >> um Okay, so um again, there were no additions or deletions um from the posting. So, moving into the work
session, the first item I have is minutes review. Um the March 31st minutes, >> but we don't have them because Carol's not here. >> Um the March 31st were out. We can we can review them. Move this to the next agenda if you haven't seen them.
>> I have um >> I never did. >> Did we review minutes the other night, too? >> We did seven um >> the 17th, I think. >> Um I I did not review the 31st. Okay,
that's that's fine. >> It's kind of like >> um so we'll we'll take the minutes review and move next to stay on top of them and
>> Oh yeah, definitely. >> Unlike H. Um the way we've been going I item two was hiring increase exceptions if any that's a placeholder because they coming in. There's no additional
>> exceptions to the hiring reason for tonight's menu. >> Do we do recycling right now? >> Yeah, >> we did a little bit of recycling. >> No, the you talk about position, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, we did that.
>> We approved that. Um and Carler wrote back and said that uh select board had also recommended it and so she's going to move forward with with the hiring for the the attendant. Okay. Next item. Um we had wanted to
bring Betty May in and have a discussion with the Memorial Day fan sponsor. This is going to be your name. >> This isn't >> Betty's. >> Would you like to come over?
>> Yes, she is. >> This This is the BBA is which is this year's >> Okay. >> Oh, no. >> Yeah. Memorial Day >> library
>> is lineage 22 >> again that's the VBA not that's this year >> VBA FY 27 budget >> sorry >> that's okay >> what was it 7 what
>> line 779 uh 729 >> 728 >> 720 >> and this Memorial Day. >> Um, that starts Memorial Day. >> Yep. >> Memorial Day. >> Okay.
>> So, we have three lines in account 660 for the memorial event. >> Wow. >> I'm not sure I know what's being recommended. I've heard so many different things and I'm >> Okay. that it's current version that we
that has been provided was dated March 31st. Um, and it appears as though it hasn't changed for Memorial Day from last year. So, it's the same budget as last year.
>> So, it's 1775, 3500, and 1330. >> Correct. >> No, for Memorial Day >> 3,300. >> Oh, I'm sorry. But it's down to >> say I thought somewhere I've seen it because I've said to a couple of you. >> Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm looking at what I
did not >> 35. >> Well, >> that's the it's an earlier version, not the car. >> But I really >> I thought the Memorial Day was 5,000 >> total. >> Yeah. 5,000. No, no, no. Memorial Day.
That event is a $5,000. That's not right. >> Could be all three lines. >> 6405. >> No, I mean just one line. Memorial Day. Three lines for memorial. >> These three lines. Other support services and professionals.
>> Uh, so what's that total together? >> 6405. >> 6405. >> Yep. >> That's what I'm getting mixed up. >> Okay. And then the bottom line is >> the last two of the band. Oh, for Memorial Day or
>> No, no, before the rest of months, rest of the season. So 9450 is what's um the total total? >> Yeah. >> No, that's all band concerts.
>> Okay. just for the um uh concert and other no concert and it's other supplies. >> Okay. The the other supply line is at 400. >> Okay. And the one above it is at >> 9,50 >> 9,50. Okay. Not what I
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> For the memorial is the 1775. So no change. Um the band services is reduced by 200 from last year at 3,300
and the other supplies remains at 1,330. >> What are um up so people were watching >> band services? Okay. So, band service and others of life. >> Those are band concerts. And that's accounts 92.
>> She's still addressing. >> Yeah. Memorial. Okay. >> Yeah. Jerry jumped down to the band. >> I get right down to the >> Yeah. >> Well, no. Seriously. So, we have Memorial Day professional services. What's included in that? >> Okay. >> Well,
>> is that like the bus and >> it's in the gray area? Huh? >> Well, just usually I can play between the lines as long as I'm not. So, you've got busing.
>> Okay. >> Which comes under what? Professional services. >> Well, see, that's what I'm saying. It's >> it's it's all kind of >> included in there. There's all those lines. There's busing. >> There's police.
>> Yeah. Um, they have the school open to use the bathroom. >> They charge us for that. >> Oh, sure. They have to open the If they have to open the building, they charge us >> and that's right on Memorial Day. So, it's a holiday,
>> but it's still Yeah. Sunday. >> They'll have it work. I feel of late the last couple of years even though they are charging I think they're trying to keep it to the absolute minimum >> and I mean it's usually well last year
or two it's been 140 >> oh I mean it's >> Sunday and there's a certain amount of time period that person has to come in right >> that's not bad >> but then also So thrown in here. And
again, it's like which line you put it on them, >> right? >> But there's some geraniums. There are the floral breeze. >> Okay. So, where are you getting the floral? >> Where are those come from?
>> Two that go in the cemetery. The ones that open. >> We've been getting them from the bonus. >> Okay. >> All right. All right. He giving you a good price. And then um I'm about the flowers are just ruining the >> Okay. Now
usually the bonus and they have changed hands in the last year or so. Um they >> do save me basically dead flowers >> things that are too old to put in arrangements. >> Oh, okay. So that's good.
>> So they they have been giving me flowers for the bowl. Oh, >> now the some re go on the river and cause re or something go on those 17 mas around town.
>> Oh, that's part of your memorial budget. >> Well, it had been. >> Uhhuh. um last couple of years, even the people basically connected with the Legion have been nice enough to do some of this, you know, which actually put up a little
money to >> do something with decorating those 17 masers that you see on the street corners. >> I know. Um was the flag committee involved in that at any point? >> Cuz I volunteered to do one of the
>> Well, yeah. No, that was it wasn't for the wreath. >> No, it wasn't. >> It was the Yeah, but they do have a wreath on all the markers, right? >> But the flowers around the bottom, they've asked the people like I think Patty does the one on the corner, Wister Road, right? Okay.
>> Um, so the whoever owns the property closest. >> Oh, I see. >> Yeah, they've asked for volunteers, but that was the soldiers memorial for that part. But the wreaths, I believe, come from the memorial thing.
>> And I say the last couple of years we've been lucky enough for somebody to donate some of this, >> right? >> But you're not always sure that's going to >> happen. Yeah. >> So, >> yeah.
>> So, you put how many reads in the water drawer at each? I truly don't know how many reads go in the water. >> Oh, do you get a lot of reads? I mean, did you get 10 minutes or >> I thought it were two. I thought you
just threw two in. Obviously, >> there's two stops. Yeah. >> Well, that's what made me think too, >> right? >> In in the cemeteries where we have the services. >> Okay.
>> There are the floories that go on and >> easel or whatever it is. >> Those are the ones we're getting from Deona. >> Okay. Now we also put rays here on the L'Oreal Hall. Re go to the Civil War monument.
Um usually one goes to the past 7 of length those breeze in the last year or two have actually been made by people connected with the Legion and they've gone out and they've collected the Laurel and made them. So they hasn't
been a cost on those. Luckily for the last marriage or two >> that's why there may be finding there's been some money in the budget that hasn't been spent but there are some years that the costs come in just like the busing may change the police
>> did you say the bonuses and features I mean what is it um I don't The quality we have gotten from the bonus for years um has been satisfactory >> and they probably have a bigger um >> bigger trace maybe.
>> Well, I'm thinking for the flowers that are donated by them, they probably have more than the local. >> Yeah. >> So, you get that deal. You know, you buy the wreath and you get all those flowers. >> But have any local plural people offered to donate anything to you?
There is a florist in town that does save their >> followers that have gone by. >> Okay. So, there is some cooperation, but that's good to learn.
>> I had no idea you had many. >> I know. I forgot about I I did forget about the four at the cemetery and the one one here or two here or four here and then there's one on the common. I mean they do add up.
>> Oh yeah. >> And those again right now we're not paying for. >> Yeah. >> But if we have to be an added expense. >> So that's why you have your budget at what it is in the event that that something happens. >> Got it. It doesn't something doesn't happen.
>> Right. If you don't get the donations then So that's a more causes. I know the whole world >> we got to talk about. >> Okay. >> First of all, could you tell me
you already have what the band concert budget is? >> Um it is $9,50. >> That's without the 400. >> Correct. >> Right. The 400 is on the other line for the other supplies. So there's two lines
in department 692 for the band concerts. >> Okay. >> Okay. So how many band concerts are we planning to do? >> And again because the band concert season goes across
>> I forgot about that. >> But so this would be for FY27 for July bit of August and then June of next year. I don't know if this is an appropriate time for me to ask you how much money is
left in the budget for June of 2020. >> Well, it's just my players are saying, you know, are we going to get the plans? Should we go somewhere else? Promise they can pass. So on here I just have memorial there.
>> Is it on the next other side? >> I think someone has it set up so they maybe have the flag committee in between. I have no idea. >> You're right. You're right. There it is. >> Okay. So for band concerts there's uh
the $400 and other supplies plus the 2602. >> Correct. >> For band services. >> 2602. >> Yes. So that will be used for this June. >> No, no, you don't do them. >> You do two in June or one?
>> Usually four >> in June. >> See, that's why this is a >> I was cut several times last year and some of it I guess just passed right over me and I didn't realize it. I mean 2600
doesn't quite even cover a two. >> Um well, let's think about this for a minute. All right. So obviously it's necessary to have the memorial day. >> I think so. I mean that's >> well that's me >> but it's untouched. So that's
>> untouched. But >> well I I mean the I think it's too personally I think it's too early to start. I think like um like the end of June would be a better time to start. >> You mean cut out two or three of the
June? Cut off the two to three June. You get July and August and then you get your real good weather in June sometime. Well, June can be very hot. June >> I mean we can't be a weather forecast. >> We've discussed this over over the years. You and I have just discussed it
on the side about causes. M >> it's better and I realize money is one issue but it's better to kind of start in June because obviously the weather plays a big factor in all these things and and we could start in June and still be playing at the end of August because of
>> rain. I'm hoping with the June situation that possibly since pan concerts and Memorial Day are tied together and have been for years purposely >> that if there should be something that's
not expended that Memorial Day that possibly could augment I'm not saying four causes. I'm certainly not saying that. No, >> but you're talking about the one in Memorial Day. If it it would be it again it's it's in the last little bit of the
year. It's two different accounts. We have municipal transfer requests that happen. >> She has $2,600 plus $400. >> Correct. >> For the month of June. >> Yep. >> And you're saying that that's not going
to cover what you have to cover before contact. >> Absolutely. No, I'm sorry. No, I understand. It's kind of like FY. Yeah, FY26 is >> But what what is the costume per content for the >> varies between 13 and,400?
>> And again, I'm more just bringing that >> up to see what happens. I realize the bigger issue was the next fiscal year >> 13 to 14. That depends on how many people you have. Correct. Is that how it's driven by numbers? There were people that the numbers driven right.
>> Pretty much. Yes. As I said, my bigger concern is the next amount because if you're telling me it's 9,50 >> going to be a subject and I do apologize for it, >> but nothing.
You've been very fortunate through the years to have the town sponsor your your concerts. Some towns don't do it at all. Does not have any money given to them. They have to raise every single nickel.
And when they had even when building that command stand, they received nothing from the town. So you've been very fortunate through the years been >> well the other towns that I've played in most of the other towns our town funded but
>> well they've been very fortunate yeah I mean we're talking >> but we're talking a very lean year here >> and last year and next year >> and next year and I'm going to tell you that I have reached out for grants. Oh,
good. >> I've already But that's going to handle >> two. That's all it's going to handle is >> two handle two. >> Not two is better than that. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate your effort in trying to keep the budget down.
>> Um, >> and I think in both cases, well, it was Amanda Dwight, it was the cultural council. I'm not sure in either case they've ever expended as much, but they just felt it was so important to keep the cost
>> because the costs are very important. >> So, but I don't know if there's anything you can do to increase the $9,50. But at least I bring it to your attention increased for you. >> Well, it's gone from 149 down. It's down
5,000. It's not >> Oh. Oh. From Yeah. From Yeah. So web in June that covers about seven concerts. >> That's seven concerts to 9,50. >> Yeah.
>> So that's I mean >> so that's July 1300. >> That's at 1300. >> Oh that's a 1300 >> right? Yeah. I mean, maybe maybe that's the piece. We try to >> keep it on the lower end of it. And to
your point, 13th >> when you when your concert members come, are they is the same number of people that come every week? I mean, like, do you have five trombones
and you have five bugles or does it change? It changes and it's more Well, let me ask you this. Could you do with less people below this 1300? That's >> mean less people,
>> right? Yeah. Is there is there some subset of music that can be played with less people? I mean the original basically was when I asked for the 149 a couple years back.
>> Mhm. >> That was what I considered a full compliment then. And fortunately, like if you have one drummer who's playing a drum set,
>> that's opposed to having two or three people you might normally have, but you've got to have a particular person who's capable of doing all that and playing all the parts. And >> so, you know, it's it's
>> the size isn't going to get cut down. what's what's going to get cut is numbers of courses if that's what it >> sounds that I I think that Jerry has a point June is well I mean that's in my next thing but >> yeah okay
>> in terms of >> I I I agree that two in June well does that include the Memorial Day it doesn't okay so two in June last two weeks in June
there'll be four in July, >> four or five depending on >> and and and two in August, right? You you end middle August. >> Middle A, >> but then you have carryover sometimes for rain. >> Oh, great. >> Right.
>> You know, sometimes you could have three weeks in a row it gets rained out. >> So this year July has five Thursdays, >> but it really makes I mean the kids go back to school the last week of August. Does it really make sense to have a concert that I don't think she does.
>> Depends how it plays out with the little >> Well, can you if it rains, can you just like not have a a scam and play it, >> you know, just the situation, >> you know, like tumble down the end of the season and all of a sudden you have
no players the last week in August and that's one thing. >> Mhm. But you also if you're having lawn parties there are groups that are only say available in >> they don't let's get back to the lawn
parties then I know you don't care for them food trucks but they do give a percentage that would be a way of raising some Honey, >> at one point the decision was made
by the selectman not to have food trucks some years back. It was something I years back. >> Well, because we've had food trucks since then. But what's wrong with having a food truck in the van? I I have no objection to that
>> because No, you go ahead. >> Because the town basically is paying us to play. Let's face it, you have a food truck. They may give you $50. They might give you $100, but it's a private business that's making money.
>> Oh, is that the issue that we had? >> Well, well, maybe that needs to be addressed. >> Yeah, maybe that's where our issues are. But but I mean depends on the contract >> is giving you a food truck is giving you say $50.
>> Okay. $50 10%. >> So if you have three food trucks and 50 bucks >> and how much are you making you know how much you making otherwise? >> No, she doesn't make any because it goes
to the organization. But you have a hard time getting organizations to do it. one or two in the same group that these individuals are in. It's like the organization's gone home and wants it
and then they say they can't do it. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. The I thought last year the relationship with >> recreation and band concerts would be a very good marriage, but >> Well, yeah, I agree. But it didn't work out. But at this point, I think it's
probably what funding the risk for the band is. I mean, I'm I'm hearing your thoughts, but >> yeah. Um I I guess it's a it's a number of concerts and the number >> and the number of players. I mean, that's where the money, >> right, >> is going,
>> right? And it goes pretty quick. >> Well, I I know for a fact that Well, I don't know for a fact. I shouldn't even say it but because the town town is having their 250th. Has anybody contacted you about anything for that?
>> Oh, the 300 300 >> 250th 250 >> the 250 for America. Okay. >> Okay. >> You don't want to person what I believe that what is being voiced here
is incorrect. the 250th that they're planning on June 20th, right, >> is the 250th anniversary of when the town of Townsen, correct, said they wanted >> to get Right.
>> It's not part of the I mean, it may >> be parallel to the countries. Okay. >> 250, >> right? Exactly. >> So, that's why >> that's a whole different deal. >> That's a whole different deal. >> Have I been contacted only recently within a couple of months?
Um, and I am not sure whether or not I can muster players because it's on a date that's conflicting with other communities or other people play and that's something I'm in contact with the people that >> that's independent than your approach.
>> So they have and if that group really wants her to play then they should pay her. >> Oh absolutely. >> No. Oh yeah no no no. If we play for them, it's money they have raised. >> Okay. >> No, no, no. The only thing I'm talking
about is Thursday night. >> You're kind. >> Yeah, that's a whole separate whole deal. >> Okay. So, >> yeah. Aren't you glad I came? >> We are. >> We are actually glad you came. >> We have details we didn't know. >> I mean, I I have no idea that was the
number for the Memorial Day, but I didn't know the scope of the wreath. I mean, that's >> No, we I don't have the I didn't have I really feel very comfortable about the Memorial Day now that we have now that you've explained and I can see cuz I see
the rates I don't even >> concerts I'm still I don't know number or ban people those were only where only places to cut
>> it isn't conscious of people >> right >> right and that's going to be better so >> yeah we Right. >> We can tell we're not going to give you the money, but she's got to figure out, >> right? And it's not for us. >> Yeah. It's not our thing. But
>> yeah, it's kind of like the the select board presents the budget and we >> approve or or recommend >> the one thing. $10,000 plus or minus for the possibly eight content because if you if it rains, you
don't have the content. Do you have to pay the people? Well, she she likes to put it back to the other end to to replace the clutches. Is that what you That's what you're trying to do. >> So, >> or is it better to to schedule where we're we're tight on money is like in
every other week so if you have a rain date it moves. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's why people coming every Thursday. >> Yeah. Because people are going to say, "Well, it's Thursday night. It's Thursday night." But they're going to say it's Thursday night starting June
20th or June 28th >> to August 16th. >> Correct. >> They're not going to say, "Oh, which Thursday is this? I got to go." Right. >> That would screw everybody out. >> And then this Thursday was beautiful weather, no content. The next Thursday,
>> it rains, no content. Yeah. And >> that's why I was thinking if you did every other >> have that built in rain date to carry over the rain agreed with us. >> Well, sometimes it rains two and three, you know. >> Oh, no. You lost a lot of concerts last
year, didn't you? >> I was looking at Do you do a concert near the Thursday around the 4th of July sometime or or is that a week off? Like this year it's Thursday the 2nd and Thursday the 9th. Um just my my history
with having a business in the area is those are dry weeks. There's nobody >> Oh, people nobody's been in town to go to a lot of senior citizens that don't leave and band contest.
I'm just throwing it out because of of experience >> to get games for the kids to play. to bring it back to what it was when my kids were young. >> Well, I mean that that's a thing that I really believe that the recreation
department should be >> in crazy but >> yeah. No, no, it's not like in conjunction you get a couple of different town departments working >> working together. >> But then again, Betty gives any money
that's raised to that sponsor. So you don't keep any to offset your expenses. >> Okay. >> So that's another for the >> instead of for the town for her contracts, it goes to
the voice. >> So she's giving them an opportunity to make >> essentially. >> Yes. >> Just to go back to the fourth of July for a second. Um, I guess Kathy made the comment that some senior citizens don't
leave town. I mean, obviously we're all in the teenage group city, >> but there are people say in town that might not possibly come on another Thursday night, but it's like, oh, that's what they can do on the 4th of July. >> Yeah.
>> You know, so it's it's two different mentalities. It's the same with Memorial Day. Unfortunately, you know, there are people that Memorial Day is going to the beach. It's not what Memorial Day really is, which obviously a lot of us >> have strong feelings, but
>> Right. Right. >> No, I mean, yeah, it's kind of like >> So, basically, I said, I'm here to see what if anything you can do for me financially. Anybody tell me you can't do anything and you're going to make it worse since I came in than it was when I worked through the door?
>> No, I don't. No, we're not going to do that. I mean, I I >> No, it it's kind of like I think the other the other part of it is we want to keep it going. We know it cost more money to do a full set of concerts. >> Yeah. >> And what are the what are the opportunities? That's last to
meetings ago, we were throwing out the ideas of what we, you know, what potential for additional fundraising, >> right? >> There could be. It's kind of like because it's not the the town is not in in a position to be able to fund everything fully. We're cutting back
>> and that's not and it's not an essential >> Mhm. >> service. I mean >> I understand. No, >> it's not fireplace, >> right? I mean, I don't think belittle at all, believe me, because I love pleasure. M it it's not it's not safety
and it and it's not a required services that have to be done >> right based on mental health mental health get out >> it is to get out with friends. >> Yeah. >> I mean people might notice you know
>> oh no it's a community event I think is I'd like to see it bigger. I'd like to see it like I'd like to see more stuff going on like Kathy said back in the day >> but that's not what we can do. I mean that that's another
>> that's a committee we're not on >> that committee >> economic development >> economic devel but maybe there should be a concert committee >> there is aren't you the band concert >> there you go >> you're it
want >> um >> you like it that way >> I'm just thinking attendance Have you done anything with Graten Hill to advertise on any booklet or anything that says come to Townsen on Thursday night for concerts? >> But who cares? It's not going to give
her anymore. >> No, it it may not give more money, but it it will get people coming coming out visiting. Maybe maybe >> pay for that. I have a $400. Yeah, >> and it's not that. But if people are in
for Grant Hill and they say, "What else is going on around the area?" Um whether it's a link on a website whether you know which is >> there is a website link or anything like that >> I don't have a website though >> she does it
>> goes on the towel >> yeah yeah >> is it possible and I don't know if it's legal or not to put a donation box out >> I don't know if it's 50/50 right you do it every year every week
>> we do Okay. >> But it is it for the the group or just for the band? >> It's for the group that sponsors it. >> Okay. >> I think Kathy, I would prefer
not to go to the donation room. Now I know it's very good in theory you can get money >> but one thing we've always said about the concerts is anybody can come and not feel they have to spend
>> money >> it but still working on that. Is it something we should include in a a mailing that goes out to everybody like tax bills or whatever that we include a letter for donations for band concerts
>> similar you could do couldn't you do like donations for the band concerts donations for this please specify what you know like >> like for the um playground >> right >> kids country playground if they had something donation for this donation for
Yeah. Yeah. Please specify if you >> So what would she do if she got the money >> and donation? >> Okay, good point. >> Well, it it >> well >> it would have to be set up to >> for to come into the general fund, but
if there is you could have an account linked to the general fund specific for that. >> If I might respond. >> Yeah. No, no, no. I'm just we're just throwing out ideas >> because of this money that Amanda Dwight's approved one cultural council's
approved one. >> Okay. >> I believe that the town accountant is setting up a revolving is that the right word it would be. So these two
donations, well whatever go into this concert, >> revolve the account. >> And so because I was concerned which fiscal year they would be used on plus I didn't want to personally get a $1099
payroll. >> Okay, we got it. >> I this happened when I played the towns in years gone by. So, um, if there were going to be any donations, I don't think you want to go to the general fund. You
want to go on the revolving fun specifically revolving fund. It is I mean the other piece that and you know doing the it they um they set up multiple line item
account numbers in there and so as you take it it would it can hit a separate account number without being a revolving account. So if she did a revolving account and she had a friends of the >> band concert, >> she could bring in donations because she 503c. >> So that's a great v that's a great
avenue to pursue because I believe with my heart and soul people would absolutely >> contribute to the band concert. >> I believe that. Don't you think? >> I think that might be the case. No, I mean depending how things play out. I
may be out baiting places. I think some of you remember when I get to sell hot dogs and hamburgers to fund Memorial Day. >> Yes. >> Um but what I would prefer not to have is donation saw at a concert that kind of
>> because I think you know people are proud. Yes. And it's like, you know, they don't want the person sitting next to them to give money and they feel like, well, gee, we're really not in a position to >> having the 5050 and and get I mean,
>> it has nothing to do with the band. >> That was for the like the BFW or something organization is running the Walmart. >> So, she's got to have a Friends of the Band concert. >> Mhm. >> Right. Yeah.
>> And then that that that specific >> I think you'd get more I think you'd get so many money. >> I I think it's a great idea. >> This is the last year she's going to use funny money. She's going to bring >> she's going to hold concerts all year long. >> And with with the two that you
mentioned, I I haven't looked. Um does the state have any um grants that can be applied for to >> I think the cultural council money is official a local >> applied to the town the town >> dispers
many years back I used to get some money from Amanda Dwight and I'm probably talking 20 years 30 years ago I mean I have been doing this since 1969 9
years old. >> So, um there was a time when they Amanda Dwight did fund a couple of concerts, but then basically people said, you know, get it from >> I think we should really explore that and consider this last year that Bettyy's going to ask for money.
>> I really do think that's a great idea. house with things and it's not only in the budget then you're not >> because people are going to put money up they're going to go to see what's going on >> businesses I think >> you should see the money they're
bringing in for 250 >> yeah good well >> okay >> so but asking is important >> organizing and asking and then watch what happens >> exactly Yep.
>> This is it, B. This is your year. This This is it. Next year going to be 20 30,000 you'll have, right? You won't even have to ask. You don't have to sit here and >> plead your case. >> Okay. Um, >> what are you going to recommend?
We take a motion or are we going to talk about it? >> Um, >> you want to make a motion? I don't know yet. Well, when I guess >> you're not going to cut that. >> Yeah. No, no, no. Like recommendation from >> I think we should take the $10,000 from
that they lowered the county administrator salary and put >> Oh, parents that I took from him. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's coming out of >> But again, that um Yeah, that I mentioned that yellow was a change. It
really wasn't. That's the one in what we had reviewed the other day. The yellow was indicating that it's not firm yet. >> Oh, okay. >> It could change. >> Oh. Oh. So daddy Frank is saying >> no hers is not yellow. >> No kind of so right now. So So I guess
if if I understand that now total >> for each or >> No, for the whole deal >> 17 no I did that. 15855 >> 15855 >> for both Memorial Day and the bank. >> Yes.
>> Which are separate. >> So we going to find $20,000. >> Right. >> Say again. >> $15,855 18. >> Yes, but they're really not. Yeah.
>> Yeah. If you do have money left from Memorial Day, I don't know that you will, but you can do a >> right. But if the if there's more donations on some of the things that were going to be expenses, um there may may be money there and um because
they're different department numbers and municipal municipal transfer request in the last two months of a fiscal year is allowed. It has to be signed by both um select board and finance committee in
order to make to to approve it. >> But it but it is a um a tool that you have to work budget >> but on this it's all one budget. >> That's right. Um,
if you look at the if you look on the BBA and if you look at the account number, >> it's different. I see what you're saying. >> Yeah. Okay. >> What's the account number on the BBA? >> It's 660 and 692. Correct. It's two different account. >> It's two different account numbers.
>> I didn't know that. >> 69. >> Maybe we should change that. >> It's a That's a possibility. Then you don't >> And then Yeah. >> And again, it may be when certain things came into the budget and that's that's
why and then the flight committee ended up with 690 and that's why you've got it looks like flight committee is in between. I have no idea datewise when these two were put together, but I can remember being in some hotel somewhere in another part of
the country. >> Getting a call from Beverly Sleeper who was >> that was a long time ago. >> What was she was? >> She was the executive secretary. executive secretary and it was some budget situation and they needed some money to do something and she said, "Is
it okay with you if we put these together because you can maybe give up a little money and whatever it was to fund the other?" And I said, "Okay." And I really think in the accounting office
they pretty much view it as because occasionally like a geranium comes out of a ban cost budget and it's like oh I think I put it in this Memorial Day but so >> Oh that's why you said it was >> right. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So the chances are if I don't expend everything for Memorial Day, the chances are it might help me with >> with a little >> the band. >> Yeah. For June through June. >> I know we have a difference of opinion
how many concerts we should have in June, but >> I think I'm probably going to shoot for at least three. >> Well, three is better than four. >> Well, that's a lot. $1,300. But that's that would all be dependent on your on your budget. There's if there's 2,600
and there's nothing coming in or not enough to cover. >> Can she move if she has money for Memorial Day, can she move that? >> Well, that's what I'm talking about. >> Oh, cuz she can do what she wants within her. >> Yeah. Within within a section, but
because they're two different department numbers, you can't take it from 660 to 692. So you have that's where because it's taking it from one department and putting it in another department even though that's where the transfer has to
be. Yep. >> Y maybe I should be listening to you on >> No, no, no. It's just explaining >> trying to fill me in. >> Yeah, but I don't understand. >> Okay. >> Yeah. No, no. You've been through one end of the
fiscal year, so you've only seen it once. So I don't it's understood what you said. >> Yeah. >> So what we have to do is um help Betty with the friends of the band card. >> Mhm. >> Right. >> Yeah. Got to raise some money.
>> Do you have spot? I mean on this committee that's the band cards committee. Can you take volunteers volunteers or what to be on the comm I am the band concert coordinator? Um,
I think it works best that way. >> Okay. So, we're not having anybody else in the sandbox. >> Get it. >> We got to get in the sand tool. >> No, we'll work this out outside of
>> daily. Every day you race around. >> I think they're talking about all putting on hats and going to something like Yeah, there's always always >> you did. We took that list. >> I know. That's a fun.
>> Okay. >> We got the girls on it though. The girls we're going all the way. >> So I'm dismissed. >> You You have no other question. >> You don't want to hang around and see what we got to do to other people.
Well, I don't think you really I'm not we really didn't do anything right. >> We did an inquisition. We got what information we need. We made >> just you that we you know it's like what is this for? What did >> Well, that's given us more information than we can.
>> Yeah. Well, because I haunted him is what kind of started this whole thing. I initiated a conversation here in building with him. It was the I didn't have your email address and so the cornering was fine because everybody
said can you bring in Betty May and I hadn't worked on trying to figure out how to contact us. So it was it was mutual and she >> was Florida. >> Don't feel bad. I called her one time
she was on a boat >> on a sailboat. In a sailboat >> in Florida. >> No, I was in the Caribbean. >> Oh yeah. Can you mark up the election? >> I don't think so. >> All right. Well, okay. >> All set. >> Thank you for listening. >> You can have your
>> Thank you for giving us the information. >> Thank you. That was good. >> Yeah, because we're ready to cut the whole program. >> Yeah. >> I don't quite believe that one. >> We because we don't have the power to do it. We have recommendation. >> Yeah. We only recommend no one listens to us. we got.
>> So, but you know, the recommendation would be no no lower than where it is. >> But I think the taxpayer should know >> I mean the rates I I lived here my whole life and I didn't realize that you put all those that you that you're the >> right
and I live right next to one. My sister takes care of the one on Worester Road. >> I did not know that that >> thing at one time used to cover uranium for every veteran's grave. >> Oh my goodness. And the reason we stopped having a geranium at every veteran's grave is there weren't enough
people to put them out plus the cost of having a geranium at every veteran's grave. >> Does Clayton have to stay above that? He could give us geraniums. >> Well, dominating what he gives for >> Yeah, he's great on price. He really is.
>> Good. He very about the geraniums. Well, you know how many veterans thing is you have to know a year in advance because he would have to >> How many flags do we put out every year?
>> There's a lot of I'm just saying somebody used to have >> No, I think I think that's a great I mean that's >> that's honor, >> right? It's time. Yeah, >> but I'm sure they would appreciate people putting out flags when it's time to put them out cuz usually they don't
seem to have enough people show up. >> I've been doing that with Joe Mazola for years when you call me. I would come. I'm down as much as Betty because I see her all the time down there. >> That's one thing. >> I used to close I used to close the
clerk's office that morning because I felt it was community service. I would definitely help him put the flags out. How long can that cost? >> And then Joe and I used to until co Joe and I would split the cost of um a
sandwich tray and salad and stuff like that and cookies. >> What do you mean for the people that did it? They'd come back here and and that came out of our pocket. Didn't come out of the town at all. Right. >> At one time, didn't you have inmates? >> Oh, I didn't I don't remember.
>> Put out flags, >> did they? conquer that was from. >> Oh, they they've done stuff here before. Painting the um garage they did one year. >> Already been to clean up, spring clean
up and >> Yeah, they did. I think they did work on the recreation. >> Well, thank you for coming. >> Thank you very much. Very informative. Wasn't too much than a dentist. Yeah, >> actually. It was kind of nice to have somebody else to talk to.
>> Wait a minute. It'll be fine. >> Wondering what issues you may cause for me. >> Well, let's hope we're not We don't >> If we do, we're not We don't >> We apologize in advance. >> We're trying to Yeah. Apologize in advance. We're We're trying to be helpful and and find a way to keep it
moving forward. >> We do want to bring it back though in our We want to bring it back to the old days. Really would like it. >> I know. I'm thinking I should just get some balloons and helium and start selling. Again,
if you people want to have some group that raises funds, why don't you let them know about it and do it? >> I was going to say a couple years in a row, the sele cooking for the bunch of flavor.
>> Okay. So, what um just I I was just remembering that the select board went over and had cooked at at one of the >> Oh, that's right. >> the kids country play. >> That's right. Exactly. >> Are they doing Are they doing it again?
Is any plans for them? First of all, I have to know, this is going to sound fresh, but I need to know how many courses I'm going to have before I can start saying, okay, >> is the fire department going to do the well, fire EMS relief association, you
know, >> you know, or the run Gun Club. >> Was it at a band concert that they had a dunking tank and Greg Barnes was No, >> the guy sitting up. Wow.
>> Used to have a dump tank, >> but they had one not too long ago, a dump tank, didn't they? >> I don't remember. >> See if we can >> Okay. >> Yeah, we reminiscing is good.
We have >> but I got a new group people who make you look like a group. >> I'll contact you. I have your number. I don't have your What's your email though?
>> I I can forward it to you. >> Do you have it? Okay. >> I do now. >> Okay. >> So, we know where to get you. >> Yeah. If if I had gone to uh the brainer, I could have got it there, but wasn't think wasn't thinking clearly.
>> Did you get emails from me? >> Mhm. Yep. I replied to it, too. >> Then you have her address that she could, right? Yeah, that's right. >> You have Of course she does. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, she does. >> Then why are you surprised that
>> she doesn't remember getting any from >> It sounds that way. I don't know. So that's what I was questioning. >> Well, he might not have been on the list. >> Calls and then they didn't seem to produce anything. And since I had all sorts of other people waiting for me to
determine if I was doing a meeting with them is why I finally called me. >> You and then I called you. >> And and then I got a lovely email. >> Yep. I the
>> Well, we hear you on that. >> Yeah, it's kind of like it it seemed good. >> I got concerned cuz at work the phone was out for 3 days and I thought, well, maybe I'm being responded to, but if the phone doesn't ring, >> you know, >> so all right, I went around for a couple
months to get my papers out of here and then >> we enjoy each other's company. >> Thank you, that was informative. I'm really happy. >> If you have any picture, don't throw any dots, please. Okay. No dots.
>> It's electronic. >> You got a picture and you can click. >> I didn't make you do that. I can have a lot of fun all day. >> I know. >> Wow. We were really loud. >> I believe in touch. >> Well, yeah.
>> Well, you know what? She's right. She's 100% right. She's probably getting more. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. It's kind of like >> and a better shot and and a better deal. >> Yeah. >> So, so much. I think she's doing it right. >> Sometimes it's kind of like
>> sometimes you have to do the right >> if I don't piss off somebody. >> She's probably doing business with them for 20 years. But they do quality, but they've always done quality. Beautiful things. >> Okay. So, >> okay. So, where are we?
>> Where are we? We I I continue with the omnibus view. We >> need to vote on >> um we we can um that's something we we haven't done in the room yet. Um, and especially where the budget isn't settled, but if this
>> right, maybe we should wait till the budget is >> is settled, but usually and we have the other three members might be the way to go to um, but just for process wise, we would >> recommend the budget as it stands and
we'd roll for that >> for that memorial. I do think that we should give her a nudge >> to get something going for next year cuz I I do believe she can she can >> very supplement revolving fund will be a great way for her
>> which which means there'll be a warning article >> and I do feel a little that she's been very fortunate over the years nicely do it so nicely. I'm so bullish and right out in front and you're so just want to tell you how wonderful.
>> It's kind of >> how blessed you are. >> I would say Betty. >> Yeah. >> But um so the the only thing we >> can we make our own motion that we
>> What? Okay, >> we can make a motion. >> No, it's all right. I'm good. Yeah, it's kind >> I'm good. I'm good. I'm just making a note on my page that um on 49 we recommended this >> and we also said she can't have any more money after this year. Let's put that down. >> Yeah.
>> Needs to be self >> Yeah. >> It would be nice to again another self-sufficient >> non selfunding selfunding >> selfunding. Yeah. >> Except for >> Right. >> Well, except for the town services that they use,
>> right? Well, yeah, >> because there's purchase. Yeah, there's purchasing all the indirect costs that continue to go with it. Um, >> you know, but >> I really believe that people would do that now. They're going to expect a little bit more of a bump in the night, >> right? >> You know, they're going to want to see
balloons and cotton candy. >> I just remember it was such a fun the kids a dollar and they would be going for >> a weekly carnival. >> We can do it. >> Yeah, exactly. Yes. I mean, they had all kinds of games. >> We can do it.
>> Yep. There you go. >> I know we can do it. I get it. I know. We have to do one more time. One more time. One more time. >> One more time. >> One more time. >> Feel the pain. >> We need the pain. We need people.
>> Duck race. Duck race. It's kind of like people. >> Oh my god. >> You know what? You have one duck race a year and now we fund everything. >> That's true. >> How much did we make of those duck races? >> Wow. Um we were at probably 20 25,000
total and we were doing a 50/50. So I would suggest a lower payout. Um but yeah, they were >> So we all got to get on the committee. >> Yeah. >> Well, you we have to they would have to form a friends of the >> Friends of the Band concert. That's a
two-minute deal. That's $35. >> And anyway, that Yeah, we we had done the duct raids. We dumped them in. Then we for conservation, we we made sure we we walked along the banks and made sure there were no ducks. >> Yeah, it took a little
>> It takes a little bit of one year. >> I think it was the congregational church. >> I guess omnibus review. I I had all the done, did we? >> We had gone through the >> on Tuesday. >> On Tuesday. Um >> Oh, you weren't here.
>> We're not going to repeat it. That's all right. You don't have to think. >> So, we had them in >> with the BBA. We have a little bit more detail behind some of the questions. >> Yeah. You didn't get all the details. >> We didn't get all right. We didn't get all the details from everybody, but
there's there's a little bit more in the PBA. And there's another document that backs this up with really all the detail. >> Okay. >> Um but it's way too big to print out. >> Oh, that's right. >> What page we're starting? I don't know.
>> Well, I I don't know that we want to visit everything. We want to visit the big numbers like the 267% >> over and and again it's kind of like >> a line may be over but when we look at the section it's only at 60
>> I know but I understand that I get it the section but I do think that when it's over 267% >> that we should have some question I understand it's not bumping the section. >> I think if it's if it's something as
simple as the wrong account number was put on >> and it's easy enough to do, >> it should be straightened out. >> Correct. Good. >> Right point. >> Yeah. >> So that you can track those expenses. >> But that's that's what the monthly mailings to department heads are
supposed to be and and board of selectment should be watching this. This was >> could be could be maybe >> I did. I know I did because I had spreadsheets and if they matched they matched. If they didn't then I was researching >> right to see where the difference and
there there were times I messed up. >> But we all do with numbers, >> right? >> But it's possible because it's 6713 and two lines down 6,500. >> So that would change dramatically that line, >> right? If if
now and that would be nice, but what if it isn't? >> Mhm. >> Right. Right. >> Then we're there question. >> Yeah. I mean, we have questions there, but it was more when we were preparing the budget for next year. This is a
reference back to take a look at last year, >> right? So, we're looking at FY27. This is only to say because our questions were um it and I'm going to the one that I had where that comes to mind with the treasurer last year it was 2,800 now
it's down to like >> well and there is a concern there as far as I'm concerned >> 145% have been yeah on that on that exact >> on that line so >> what's the 1367
>> oh that's professional service. >> Okay. >> Right. So >> 145 is the equipment rental >> which was what last year. >> It was about 2,800 I think when we looked at >> Yeah. Yeah. saying >> no that was one of the details that we
asked at the last meeting to get >> right and so this this is a this is one piece of it and the next one is we prepare it >> prepare our list of questions and speak with the treasurer um collector to
validate that the FY27 number is a proper number for that line. So this again is only a picture of where we are >> because the the treasurer requested six70 1,670
and the proposed is 500, >> right? >> So >> and the current line is >> and if they've spent $416.95 I believe my addition. >> Yeah. Then I don't know how much more they have to
spend on that. >> Right. >> Yeah. Because you're you're at three quarters of the >> needs to be looked at. >> Right. Yep. That's that's that's what this was meant to really do. when we when we see
a number and we have a question with the FY207 budget, we come back here and and look at it. It's like again the answer is if there's enough money in some of
the budget lines to appear um because again the total or expenses is at 57%. And we don't know what >> you mean. The section. You're talking about the section, right? >> The section. >> And the board of selecting professional
services, just as a side note, is being proposed at 5,000. >> Yeah. >> And here it was it was $4,000. So they're coming up $1,000, >> right? And we've actually spent 10,700
so far, >> right? >> So the the question is, are we adequately preparing funding that line for next year. What what happened this year that drove it higher than they are looking at it. But again, the the section the
section and and again maybe it's just a driver to to go back and look at it and make adjustments if something has posted in. And and I know it's kind of like these account numbers posted together. You can
make a typo. >> Oh, sure. Yeah, >> and hit that. So, >> um, do we I'm I'm thinking with all these questions, does it make more sense to take it do the homework and come back?
>> I think that's a good idea. >> Okay, >> I do. But I think there's Well, if we look at the sections, it's not there, but when we look at the individual line items, Right. We have questions with with that. >> And let's hope it's just a typo,
>> right? >> I mean, there's one in here for 500 something that can >> Oh, yeah. 546%. >> Um, okay. And um board health. >> Okay.
>> And it's the office supplies. Uh yes. Yes. >> 534% over. Is that because of the date crossing over for buying the stickers? >> It it may be that or >> that shouldn't come out of that account. >> But see, that's the thing. Did they put
an item in into >> It's on page 19 >> and midway. Um >> yeah. So >> two see it in the fourth column, fourth step. >> Yeah. So in in a case like that, that
question would go back to them. Are we doing doing the right for next year or or did something get miscoded and it went into the board of health instead of the enterprise fund? >> Yeah. >> You know, was was this enough supply for
the enterprise? >> Oh, it was supposed to >> Right. It was supposed to go into a different account. >> Okay. >> And >> it just went to this one. Yes, that >> and then there's one for mileage 308% over they go.
>> Um, again things >> they could have they could have gone to like a conference or something, >> right? >> And there's a lot of travel back and forth. >> And how many went to >> Yeah.
I know things like 200% overs >> I think. >> Um but I think they had dropped it from the year before. >> I think it was 250 before and they dropped it to 50. >> Oh, I see. And they dropped back and
said, >> I get it. >> And again, 250 is only a number that's coming to my head. There's a lot of 250 line workers that I've seen in the budget over the years. a lot that are hideously over. Just a couple.
>> Yeah. >> Oh, wait. Here we go. >> Um, cemetery parks. Hey. Hey. 204% over on >> We're on page 18. It's on the other side. You guys turn it over. >> 204%
over on building maintenance. Well, yeah. >> Yeah, he he's kind of low on his building maintenance, I believe. Right. >> Roger or Ro? >> Um, could be both, but matter.
>> Um, no, it's kind of like um Ro. If that's Park, it's Rogers. >> Oh, wait, wait. I can't. Oh my god. This is I need a ruler. >> Yeah, >> I left them at home. You know what I'm talking
>> so I think I made a mistake. Hold on. >> Um it's the 204 is Yeah. building maintenance. I did make a mistake. I didn't >> building maintenance or building maintenance supplies. >> Build
building maintenance is 204. I mean Roger always answers these questions. It was 5. So that was 500 before and it got dropped to 200. >> Oh, they're looking at dropping it to 200.
>> So, >> and vehicle supplies. >> Mhm. >> Vehicular. Is that how you spell that? Really? >> Um, well, they're probably only going to go up with the gas the price of gas right now. See? >> Mhm. >> Pickle, >> right? >> That's already 200 subscribers.
>> You mean Oh, go where the deal. Don't we get our own gasoline? >> Any gasoline? Yeah, >> they get they they fill up at the um >> highway department. >> Highway department. >> Sorry. >> Um can we go back to the board of health
for a minute when we're done with that one? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's why I'm thinking it's >> so Yeah. So, board of health. >> Yeah. >> Professional services, they they dropped it down to $50
>> and right now they're at 190%. office supplies they've dropped down to $25 >> 662. >> So those are the questions they they may have started to start taking in it from
the enterprise funds. >> Yeah, but office supplies. >> Well, and that's >> it still needs >> he needs think. Yeah. $50 worth of stuff. >> Yep. >> I mean, yeah. I mean, she still
>> right >> needs a five. >> It's a little pen and paper and tape, but maybe not. >> Maybe. >> And what about I think that's an error. It's going to be >> Well, that's those those >> those are questions.
>> Those are our questions. If we I mean I don't like that. >> No, I I think in some cases we may have cut too much and that's why looking at the BBA that >> right might not have noticed that >> right
>> it may see line 662. But we don't have orders like that. >> The office supplies and travel mileages. But that's just the land engineering total. So
>> Oh, you're in land engineering. >> I just don't Well, that's what it says under board of health office supplies and travel and it says see line 662, but that's the land. >> Okay. >> I So I don't know.
I I have questions about that. >> Y >> I have questions about >> I don't >> I don't understand Rob's department is >> what
>> facilities >> facil facility department >> correct? >> Okay. Yeah. >> Because I see here building maintenance and repairs. I think that should be really raw. But it's under say practice.
>> So they take care of their own building, >> right? As does fire, as does >> library. Yeah. No library. >> The Let's go. >> Not library. >> Library. He takes care of library. Senior center. This building. >> He person. How does he do that?
>> Superman. >> Well, he has a cleaner. >> That's minimal. >> All right. Minimal, right? >> But repairs, I mean, but right for repairs. Yeah. And that's the problem he has with his budget every year >> and and going around to find the the
repair necessary before it becomes a emergency >> and and that's what the evaluation was supposed to have been giving us. >> Yes. >> And let me just ask you so some departments take care of their own cleaning. >> Yeah.
and other departments. I mean, the senior center, the library, that's a big facility >> and and the cleaner does that >> and the cleaner does that? >> I didn't they hire >> but how how >> I thought they would >> they were talking about >> hire the third person
>> that they needed the library needed to hire >> Oh, they need to hire their own leader. >> Yeah, because there was issues over there. Yeah, there was there was issues that response was not as as needed to be. >> Well, they probably get a lot more
people passing through than they do. >> They do. >> Yeah. So, they need a cleaner, I think, more often, I would think >> because I know the cleaner does not come. >> You speak, right? >> Because it is budget cut. >> Yes.
>> Oh, he doesn't come here. So, did that mean the the senior center in the library? >> I don't know how often that he goes there. I'm not sure. >> Well, you know, well, that's why I'm thinking. How often does he go there? Because with the food facility for one
thing, >> you know, >> but I don't know if he touches that. >> Well, he's going to do the floors, >> right? >> I don't know. >> I'm not talking about necessarily the kitchen, but I mean, >> I'm not sure. I I don't know what's in
this. >> In food prep, for sure. You got to make sure. >> But I don't know if the people who work there clean. >> Oh, >> I don't know. >> Yeah. >> I really don't know. >> Questions for >> When you say the people work there clean, what do you mean? Who
>> the kitchen people >> if when they're done they clean it all? >> Well, who like who does the vacuuming and who does the floors and who does that? And all >> I would think the cleaner does that, >> but he's only part time. That could be I
mean that that itself is >> right. You got all those people that are in the kids in and out all the afternoon >> that could be a job in itself, >> right? >> There's issues.
>> Those are the bigger question. Well, those are about that for a minute. >> Those are the services I guess that we're compromising because >> because we're cut >> because we not only did we cut, but we allocated recklessly.
>> Mhm. Well, then I mean the cuts we had last last year after the budget failed and the override failed. >> Um there was a pretty significant cut to the facility staff. >> Oh, no, I know. He was cut big time. Yeah. Well, yeah. There used to be
>> so it'd be I don't think >> a 30-hour position, a 40hour position and then um they used to have somebody doing senior work program and then >> a part-time person. >> So there was a lot more hours or something. >> There was more hours, you know,
>> plus there was full-time cleaner. >> So they came in every day. >> Oh. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So there >> so that that that department got decimated. >> Yes. >> Right. And so I think we start seeing the results of that. >> Um and >> and they have people in the buildings,
>> right? >> The thing is the number of people that are in a building too. I mean that that should be taken into consideration. Yeah. So >> yeah, but those those are the questions and that may be the bigger how do you know how do we go
on what's the right number of hours to really you know and that's >> yeah I think that's great cleanliness is going to take care of >> you got health I mean you've got colds you've got bacteria you got kids with the petri dishes of the century you know
>> oh yeah that kind of thing and then touching that got my books. >> Yeah. No, no, no. I can see where that could launch a real horror show in certain. >> Oh, absolutely. I do.
>> Yeah, definitely. >> So, we Yeah. when we get to that portion of the budget with facilities and that's >> and I know it's not money that we're talking about right now and I know we went off topic a bit for with Betty but our job I think is to get to the root
not just deal with the money not just deal with the numerical >> find the root of the problem I really do believe that and after Karen said that we should all be reading about what our real job is >> that was an eye opener
really I'm not bringing it up tonight but >> yeah it was an eye openener about um negotiations and about sustainability that's h you sustaining the budget >> right how do how do you sustain the
budget and where where we are right >> yeah and it's not just the the number it's >> why is it happening like asking her I didn't know about the rates I was really harsh on her but I thought she was way over budget and we wait over. I thought she had like four reads
>> right >> through the river >> and that was it and um that was eye opening. >> Yeah. >> But I also think >> but that's why we need to meet with each department. >> Yes, absolutely. And we were not afforded that. The other thing we found out from talking to her was kind of
solutions that she could deal with deal with that would lessen her next year. >> Right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, you know, >> I don't think it was off topic. It >> No, not not ultimately. I mean, we were trying to throw out ideas to try to backfill the funds that have been cut
from her money for this year this time. >> And it's not really creating policy. It's just finding listening and finding out why. >> Right. >> And I thought you had good questions, Jared. You delivered. >> Yep. No, it's kind of that's the piece
kind of. >> But I I I think we got to look at facilities because that could launch a thousand deaths. >> Yeah. I mean >> facilities is one and and the others that we had identified. But um like I
say we can go through what we had um all the questions the board and then next Tuesday we can prepare our questions for >> recommendations for the >> meeting
>> right but before that Kieran is coming in now. Oh, that's right. For our Karen interview, right? >> Y >> what's he doing? He's present. >> Um it it's to get our feedback about the budget. Anything that may need to change
before he does and schedules a >> he does listen. >> He did notice that about it, >> right? As he said, that line for the TA, >> he went right and fixed it. Yeah, >> he he went in and changed it based on the conversations we were having in that
meeting. Now again it's not cast in stone yet but you're kind of >> but it is so >> and I have been listening there a lot of towns all the towns in the world are having the same problem
>> yes >> so we're not alone not that that matters but >> no but >> so something's wrong with the whole system something is wrong with the whole system and and it's kind of like and I'm seeing it on the news programs whether it's Massachusetts of New Hampshire huge school budget
deficit for coming in and and being identified not um you know so I again we we commend the work that the schools did this year it's kind of like it really um they they came in at
>> well they finally come in at >> 24 really yeah >> um so far that again that's still best for where we where we are. But um so yeah, I think you know it's it's kind of
like and that's biggest biggest chunk of our budget is is that but it's that way in every town. >> But I also think that economic you know what's revenue coming in is is equally as important and I don't think that's been addressed
>> for years here. >> You know the tax base, >> right? But that's probably why we need a big override to bring everything up so that we're on a level playing field. >> I understand that Kathy and I agree with
you at some point. However, >> but not right now. >> Not right now. Not not >> not right now. Not >> with a demonstrated history. >> It's you know they and we talked about a little bit about it when we were going through the budget the other day. The lines like town clerk. If the town clerk
wins the lottery and resigns, that line is not adequate to cover having to hire. >> We should have a real budget. What you're saying, the real number just like we're doing with the town administrator >> for a new town. >> Yeah. >> And working like the police chief fire
chief. >> Well, yeah, that that's not our real >> police chief. No, >> police chief is going up based on a new contract and so that's going up. of the fire chief is a 30 based on a 32hour week and what he's taken. But again, if
we go back five, six, seven years, the salary for a fire chief was 130. >> Oh, I see. I did. >> And because we are where we are with the with the fire chief and we appreciate it, but budget-wise, when that triggers
and we have to pay a 40hour chief a full salary. >> So, he's not doing us any favors. No, he he he did because it got us through our budget. But that's everything we've been doing is budget year to year to year. We never >> We need to look out. >> Oh, hand him up. You're saying hand him
up, >> right? Hand him up. One year, one year to one year. We we balance. So, we don't have a real >> because we know that his retirement is is looming. >> I mean, and it could be I mean, he could quit tomorrow and then, you know, you don't know. No, it's kind
of like again it's kind of like they you can age out of the you have to age out of the system um as the last police chief did. It's kind of like >> when I went but I heard it went up to 67 now. it. I think that's part of the
municipalities empowerment act and I haven't seen that pass in the state house yet. >> Um because I've been keeping an eye on that one because there's so many other pieces. You can start signing five-year contracts for a town administrator instead of three. There's there's less
paperwork in town clerk's office. There's >> so much into that. And I think that's why Yeah. They It's kind of like >> Yes. in my opinion. Sorry. But but that's the thing. Those were out there, but until they get
passed. >> Oh, yeah. And I think >> Yeah. How long is that going to take? >> Right. Exactly. And it's been the last three sessions, I think, and they haven't passed 10 years. >> No way. I think is too long.
>> No, but but that's the thing. It's kind of like with when you get a town administrator if it's somebody proved himself over, you know, a period of time and it's like we want to keep a merit person. I think I think people should be paid on merit, not just
>> right >> cuz they've been there forever. But but that's again you know that that is up and down the whole thing and that's negotiating with unions and >> and what do you mean when you read the mass whatever it's called
>> about reing yeah what happens that is a huge amount negotiations is paragraph paragraph >> eye opener >> that's why we should have an independent person >> and and that's without question >> you weren't here the other weren't
the other day. It's kind of like but that's okay. It's kind of like you mentioned it, you get caught up. >> Um it's being added into a single >> line and we're recommending other people. >> Um >> two two lines, one one for the legal one
for >> and and it actually outlines why you need the professional negotiator. >> Yeah. >> With a lawyer because the legal aspects are contracts. restrict some things, licensing, but the
negotiation that's a whole it's a whole another story. Exactly. We're in legal services. >> Legal services is just they want to put 50,000 in legal services. >> Yeah, they wanted to put 50,000. They budgeted $50,000
>> additional >> additional for legal services. Well, they're at 90 almost 92%. >> And what page is that on Kathy? >> That's on page four. >> Oh, no. She Okay. Yeah.
>> I'm so confused. >> Yeah. No, no, no. Okay. So, you're looking at the other. >> So, yeah, the legal services thing, >> right? The budget for next year. Um, >> but I was told one of the legal services
issues and >> it's separated. This is another budget thing is that I was told by one of the select that part of the budget for the legal fees was because of
the request for public records because I guess you have to ask if it's okay and see how much >> not all the time. >> Yeah. So, I would if that's the case that a lot of the legal fees are going
for public recordings, why isn't everything online? >> Um, >> exactly. >> I'm sorry. >> Yeah, >> exactly. >> You you can submit online. You can get to the form you can submit, but we used to have the full list of all of them
online so you could see the status of them. And >> No, I'm talking about the documents that are being requested. Why aren't they online? Well, they they were it's kind of like I I haven't found it recently on the town website, but every request came
in and you can see the request that came in, what was being requested and then the response and what was replied to. So, you could see all the documents that went in both directions. So if you had the same question in the same area, they didn't have to do this new
um part because or they could send the link here's a link to >> Yeah. I just don't assume it has to be a legal thing. She it's a public document. It should be accessible. >> Certain certain parts of it may need to get to legal. How much can you
disseminate? Um what what's >> to start with? M. >> But then once that's been released once, that's a public record, >> right? >> Excuse me. This is Cindy. >> Hi Cindy. Sorry. How you doing? >> Thanks for waking me up, Cindy.
>> Hi. Um, yeah. I just wanted to tell you the public records are all online whenever you request them online on the town clerk's uh web page and you it it goes right on the website and then when each response it goes on the website so
everybody can read every public record that >> all I was saying is I used to be able to find it and I can't find it anymore but I think so it's good to know it's there I'll just keep >> it's there too if I can get it online.
>> Correct. And that's that's why it's there. But if we don't know how to get there and you can't put in a search to say public the records request and get to a link to it, >> it's kind of like it makes it difficult for you to know the information's there. So that's it.
That's something of how how you know how does >> and I don't know what the rest of the >> legal piece of I mean contract review >> negotiations >> right >> yeah I I will say because of the audit
committee I know we send we when we were going out to the bid and get the contract they were reviewing the the bid requirements they would then when we post and we got the quotes and the contracts we would they would review the contracts, sign off on them, know that
they were good and and they can go there. So they are doing those reviews. Um and so it's not just one department or anything. It's like it is up and down. Everybody that anybody that's getting a contract, they are reviewing
them and I'm sure every every warrant article is investigated. Um planning, open space, all of those. Yeah. Yep. It's kind of like there's a lot of legal that is going on. So, um
Okay. So, we're we're doing a lot of >> we're doing a lot of question. We're not getting a lot of answers. >> You're not getting a lot of answers, but that's that's where we we really need to buckle up for next. >> You know what? Almost everyone you look at other expenses, office supplies, those are the two biggest offenders of
what is it? And you've been saying that for years. Yeah. >> Right. And just so you know, >> you're looking at those numbers. >> Um, but what you don't see, and I'll point out that Cemetery and Parks >> has an account that they charge to and
the percentage will be zero, but there was no money in the budget. So, it looks like zero even though there spent. So, if somebody spent 100,000 on that line, it would still say zero. >> Oh, interesting. >> It's just it's just the math on how it goes. If there was no beginning amount,
they don't do a calculation. It will show overdrawn, but it doesn't show a percentage because there was nothing to do calculation against. >> Yeah. >> So, it only $100. It's kind of like >> But >> yeah. >> Um,
>> so I shouldn't only be looking at the big numbers. >> I That's my point. Yeah. It's kind of like that's all. It's kind of like I just want people to be aware when you're looking at that, which if you're only looking at one piece of data, you may be
missing some of the other stuff. >> And that's why I used to like getting it in an Excel form because I could do that >> see all those columns. >> Yeah, I could I could see those columns. And >> I still think that we have to go back next year with Phil here. We have to go
back and meet with the department heads with that form that we Yes. >> folded on, right? >> So that we can get all the information and sit down face to face >> like we did with Betty. >> Correct. >> But it's not too late. We could still meet with
>> if we have question enough hours, but if we focus it um we could we could bring a few department. >> I think we have the budget way too late. I really do. >> No, we didn't. We weren't we didn't have the account. >> Well, that's but
>> Oh, really? We Well, according to the manual, we're supposed to be working on it all year long. >> And again, pieces of this >> I believe that. Yeah. >> We started in December, first week of January, >> should have been starting in August. >> Started in November. No, August.
>> Yeah. The first >> The first >> revisions came in at the beginning of January, but then we came back with the It's too late. >> But we're supposed to be doing other kinds of things with the department heads. >> Yeah. >> Well, >> and again, that's one of the reasons why
I >> Which decision is that? >> Yeah. >> Well, I guess >> it it's going to be ours. >> Oh, >> we we well we need to >> we need to stop, >> right? >> We count. We do count.
And and again, that's that's why one of the reviews are for the revolving accounts because we haven't reviewed them, but one of the warrant articles is validating what the numbers are. And so >> dying to see some of those revolving accounts, >> right? And and again, it's you know, we
we we sent at the at the annual annual town meeting the the spend out of those accounts. All >> right. I understand. >> Yeah. So, so we're coming in to work at them and now we're going to have a new revolving account for band. So then
>> new accounts. >> Yeah. It's kind of like so those those are pieces and and um so we we're just continuing and still on on here when we get the warrant articles for the annual town meeting and and the SD and the
special it's kind of like those are still to come. Yeah. >> Do you sell the fire engines yet? >> What? >> I I I don't know. I >> What did you say? You sell the fire engines yet? >> Oh, still I I don't Are the new ones?
>> Both new ones. Both new ones are in two. They're down in the Where's the in the harbor anyways? I don't know about the other. >> Okay. >> One in the harbor, one here. >> Just asking. >> We're not running out of base. the store.
>> Does that sound familiar? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We got a ladder truck and we had no garage to put it in >> years ago. The ladder truck because too big. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because it wouldn't fit in that >> fit, right? Oh my god. Is that why you
built the great big one? >> Well, >> no. That and the brick building is not the best condition. >> The new one. >> Okay. No, no, no. The old brick building. The old pry house. No, I'm not. Oh, >> but they used to park out here. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
>> 120. Who's that? >> Um, >> management systems. What's that? >> Management info systems. >> Okay. Guardian. >> That's the If If it's the $160,000 line, that's Guardian. So, we're >> $150,000. Question.
>> Yeah. I'm glad you're going to ask. Okay. We use Guardian here. >> We do. >> Okay. The water department uses white mountains. >> Correct. >> Library uses Vanguard or Vanguard. >> CW Mars. >> Oh, CW Mars. And why are they
>> The police have their own and the fire. >> Oh, the fire have has their own. >> I think so. >> Are they the same? I thought they were I thought >> Badar is the accounting system that the betar is how they where they type in um
the budget and make payments. >> Okay, the checks from >> why why does why do we use that and the water department uses something else? Because I'll tell you why. Because they don't care for the
>> Oh, they Yeah. Yeah. But but shouldn't the whole town be on one >> the police and fire I think because they have um documents that are >> very protective and for security they use >> a higher level
>> right and CW Mars for the library that is >> that programming is library specific CW Mars is pretty much every library >> library because they're interconnected >> they're interconnected you can borrow from one library you kind of like the state computers in your office,
>> right? >> That are not connected. >> They come from one server >> to the library, >> but I understand what you're saying because water >> town hall >> but all our bills are outsourced.
>> Well, there is, >> right? >> Yeah. Yeah. We need more investigation on this. Well, I mean, >> it's too many. >> It's it's sort of there. I mean, it's part of of why we with the um
>> it just seems like the number >> is very high for >> the thing. You were eloquent on that. I'm sorry. >> 15 different >> things. You can have one thing cleared up. >> This is the This is the same.
>> But I get the police and fire camp. There needs to be an inter connectivity map and the how everything interfa how everything is interfacing. I don't know, you know, that's if Guardian has done it for us, that would be good because
that's something that you have on your IT. We an IT map and how everything is is mapped out and used and connected like how many laptops. >> Why can't we ask them to send us that? >> Um, we'll see. But if it's a special project, then you know, it'll cost.
>> Yeah. But shouldn't that be something that they know automatically by pressing a button? I think they they may have already done it when they did all the rewires and we put in the fiber optic stuff and did away with some of the servers and things a couple years ago. >> I would think that they would have that because they would have to refer to it
if we have any issues. >> Right. Exactly. So I they may have it. Um and for the others it's just drawing a line that says this this line goes out to the fire this line goes to the police. But for the rest of town, even that the
buildings like cemetery and parks need to be connected on this network. So there's wiring to connect them. And >> that's what I don't understand because I deal with service all over the country. I don't understand why we can't go to islands. >> Well, we do it. It's kind of like it's
it is now connected with fiber optic, but we old school we had a computer on both ends and a connection between those two computers that were talking. So those, you know, there was a lot of hardware that takes a couple >> It took us a while to get >> Oh my.
>> So, but yes, it's kind of I mean, >> that really doesn't answer my question. So, >> no, it it's kind of like >> they're using White Mountain and we're using >> they're an enter they're an enterprise and they're running off their own enterprise and we haven't
>> they still we as a town haven't looked at >> well maybe that's the deal we haven't looked at >> right now or who do we have that can look at it and come up with that >> see this is this is
>> infrastructure >> this is the whole problem this is It's from >> you know it but that that again that needs to be the people the overseers of of the department. Now, right going back to going back to your MMA, one of the
things that I read recently is that the finance committee as people are coming in with these requests for new software pieces and that have the have one of one of the authorities is to make sure this it fits into the architecture structure
and in the vision of what the the town's um it should be looking. have a vision >> which is >> do they I mean >> they they have a vision they want budgeting software and I
>> that's not a vision >> that's that's I think that's the vision as a >> supply well but that's the thing it's kind of like so that's why we vote looked at it and said yes it's a for what it does
it's pretty but there's no real connection how are we going to get How are we going to get the data from Vader in there? >> How do how is it going to work? Do when you run a report at the end of the year, is it based on what you budgeted in May
or the actuals at the end of the year? Which means then you have to take and get that end of the year data back into the budgeting software which is another interface and build build a file, transfer it, get it back in there. That that picture wasn't painted for us. It's
kind of like so it wasn't a complete solution. It was this is >> this is what I want. It was breakfast spending. >> This is budget. This is budgeting software. So to you know we we all agreed we voted on it that it was come up with other additional
options. Um, >> so you're working on and and one of the questions we should have been able to ask whoever gives us presentations is how is that in >> correct >> how are they all going to >> how are they how are they going to interact with each other? Yeah. And we
weren't allowed to ask anybody. That was sales pitch 101 and there was no followup. It was a sales pitch. This is our software >> and this and there was no followup. >> Yeah. No, he was >> and we again we had sent and again
timiding wise the email was sent that that said that finance committee wanted to see two or three others >> and we were ignored. >> I know you're going to be nice about it and they were busy but we were ignored
and so we don't have the information. So we have another year that we don't make that decision. No, but but and and again all of all of this is it was probably state-of-the-art and good five years ago when it was introduced life cycle of
that software and especially with AI coming in AI you can put your requirements your requirement I want to see a chart of this data and this data over five years it's kind of like and as long as the AI is set up with the
activity to the database it should be able to generate those things for you. Um I I mean I can I can do it today in Excel if somebody wants to see I I build the budget many different ways. It's all about how the data is put together. How how are your
data elements designed to be able to get you to that point? Oh, didn't one of the residents stand up at the town meeting and say that maybe he thought that Excel was wonderful and that maybe the user should be trained at the next level of
use of Excel. >> He did. I I spoke to him after he was heading out of the country, but he'll be back for >> he >> he'll be back at >> you know I don't remember his name. What's his name? >> Neighbor. he cuz they were going back
and forth >> and he got up and said that he >> vouched for Excel and he thought that more training was needed by the users >> and that we could use Excel in lie of all these other things. >> It it is it's kind of like but again it
gets back to the data realm. You have enough background data elements still to be able to provide you that data you're looking for, >> right? And and so it's kind of like I would I would I sort of built those for myself. Um I mimicked u what we were
producing like the sections. I would put general government on every line that was general government. I would put safety on every line that was safety. I would identify the subtotal lines and things like that so that um I knew they were
sub totals so I could exclude subtotals and I could come up and match everything. So all the all of the black uh section segments my numbers matched but I wanted to make sure that
all of that formula things that we kept on saying were we always had bad formulas and things. That's that's how you eliminate it is >> they they did one way of toing it up over here. I did it a different way and the totals match and when they didn't we were I was able to go in and identify
where there was where there might have been a problem. Yeah. It's kind of like So, but that's just me and how I use Excel. It's kind of >> because you know what you're doing. >> Yeah. I mean, >> I can't even get it to make a lines. You're going to print something.
>> Yeah. So, >> that would be >> So, that's the thing. It's kind of like it it's all a matter of how much you use it >> um and what you use it for and and so he Yes, sir. is right. it it has the ability to do it, but it's
um those pieces and it's kind of like so yes the and once it's trained I trained I trained my vice president how to use it and so he went into a meeting and he was moving data around and >> it looked really good >> it yeah exactly all all the people you
know the the directors and everybody else in the room with them how do you know how to do but yeah it it's just a little bit of training So you as long as you have all those building blocks build you can use the tools um it's called pivot tables and
pivot charts. So every change every way you change and look at your data the chart updates to what you're looking at and what you just did >> in the pivot tables. So h >> again my >> Did you get it? >> We had that a few years back with the budget book that was
>> right the budget book is very Yeah. >> Oh >> so sorry it's kind of like we're going >> we're going I've seen the budget book from other towns. How come we don't have a budget book? >> We we stopped filling in the data. It
would it needed to be manually updated every year and since Eric um or the gap the gap and then Eric >> oh the infamous gap the infamous we had 22 different TAS >> right it it's kind of like once once it
was broken because we had an interim and didn't know what it was it the the data broke so now you've probably gone five years without that data >> and so you can't you can't >> you either have to start from scratch and build it up or you have to go back
and rebuild >> or ditch it like we did >> because there was a very impressive budget book. I will say I saw brightens very impressive. >> So, you know, that's that's the piece. It's kind of like how do how do we rebuild that kind of history and bring
>> I think people want that book. I think >> I think people who would taxpayers would love to see that but >> you know especially ones who understand it >> there's this there's unanswered questions in town I think I
>> mean yeah we we went little bit >> sorry but we weren't off topic because we are the watchdog of the tax you're talking about budgets I mean you're not Right. >> You're right. A budget is a budget, >> right? >> And it's included. >> Well, if you don't, you don't learn.
That's right. And all we see are these numbers that mean zero. >> And how you Yeah. How you present. >> How did you get there? Where did they come from? >> Right. >> Showing that. >> Okay. You know why? Because she was doing all those
>> kind like Chris like we >> sitting in this chair. Yeah. It's kind of like this paper, this paper, this envelope, this envelope, this label. What kind of >> are we going to we have another person come in that we can interview? >> Oh, another
>> I think I would >> Okay, Tuesday night, do we want to try to have >> Melissa? >> Melissa in and who else? See if Rob will come back. >> Rob, >> I don't want to hear it. It's I feel bad for him. Well, Rob or um I had questions
about um the election funding too. >> Yes, we definitely did that. >> The election >> um part um do we want to come in talk about the board of health? >> Oh, yeah. Because there's a question there that came up tonight between the
differences. That would be good. >> So, and again, these are short 10, 15, 20 minutes. >> Yeah. Who who's coming in again? Harrison and >> we already talked to Vicki in assessor >> and we talked
>> we talked to someone else. We had the police. Excellent. He does the greatest presentation. Um >> didn't did Jim Smith come in or was that capital? on that was but >> yeah I have my own questions for Jim
like how many miles do we get out of the money state's given us because we're not fun I mean again it gets to the bigger budget thing it's kind of like um so >> is it a kind question or is it a >> no it's I can probably do it in an email to him it's kind of like it it's sort of
a curiosity thing because >> we the the town a couple years ago or the budget um passed the pavement plan. It was fun. >> Oh, I remember that. >> It was now six years ago because >> it's not being done. >> How much money have we ever put in
there? >> But the one year we did >> year the first year that was >> um we did 200,000 when Eric was here because we had big um free cashier. >> But that was 150,000 that they wanted to give to the
legal. Can't we give that to the >> the highway people? >> The 50,000. >> Yeah. Well, there's there's still >> they're still putting it in the legal, >> right? >> We don't want it to go there. We're not recommending that. >> No, but No, but I thought we were, but
we wanted it on a separate line in that section. >> Oh, I thought we all together. We'll have to ask Carol. No, we had decided to do a separate line so that if if it was truly for negotiations that could covered that would cover a negotiator,
>> right? And next year recommended it in May. >> So the legal line would stay pretty constant but your negotiation line would be there and can drop off in >> 50. You normally have like one union to negotiate. It's not going to be the same
expenses if you have four instant >> which may be why they wanted to go with the with with the stabilization fund. >> So they may only go with one >> they might only if one union has their contract running out. You got to negotiate that but the other the other
>> so they don't they don't run they're not yeah they're not co-erants like the police and and that's why we're fighting the police. So that was a that was an example of a one year one one year one year one year. Um and this year
is the is five. So it's kind of like but again that could >> Oh that's right. They said it was for negotiation. >> Right. Right. Right. >> They did they did say that but we didn't trust that that was >> the negotiation through our the lawyer
that we or >> Yeah. No they want to use their lawyer >> I think. Yeah, our recommendation is if it's for negotiations that >> negotiating break it out into a separate line, >> right?
>> It wouldn't be the same. >> No, but if it's there and we have one year, you know, it's kind of like if it's 50,000 for five, then it's >> for kind of like So it they can it gives you that ability to budget in the
future. Yeah. Y >> and and it also keeps everybody on the up and up because if they said it was negotiation, you want to be darn sure it's for negotiations and not for legal fees for >> other kinds of recommendation when we get when we're in the legal section of
>> budget. I'll save it. >> So, okay. But that's, you know, again, we talked about that on Tuesday and that that is the line and that's why we want to make sure that we're straight on what we're >> is Karen coming in next Thursday or Thursday.
>> Okay. Because so we can ask them about um the the expenses on the BVA for >> the 249. We can I can we I can send an email to him on the side too. It's kind of like we don't have to wait.
So we're meeting um so we're meeting Tuesdays and Thursdays all right up till meeting night. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Pretty much >> pretty much scheduled. Yeah. >> And and again one of the Thursdays the 23rd is probably >> that budget >> is is a public hearing
>> public hearing budget and I'm thinking that >> somebody might want to hear finance committee. >> I plan on going. I mean, if it's on a Thursday night, instead of being here, we'll be there as well. >> That's That's all good. Yeah.
>> 23rd the budget night. >> It's budget night. >> Tenative. Yeah. And that's why I told them tank if you want. >> Okay. >> Somebody doesn't like >> Is that the school?
>> No, it's upstairs in the great hall is this plan. >> Okay. So, that's it's not a joint if we will go. It's not a It's not a joint. We >> as long as we don't make motions and vote and try to >> listen. We just listen. And to that point, we
will have reviewed most of the budget and if we, you know, we uh say if we had the recommendations, we can say what we're recommended. >> We can stand up and say it's a recommendation. Well, again, if if it's an open just
we have enough time and it doesn't have to be like a joint meeting. >> It's not a joint meeting. All we're doing is an information. Will >> you have to call the meeting order? >> Um, I we we can ask. It's an information session and if we're only >> But if we're recommending
>> No, no, no, no. We wouldn't recommend anything more than we voted or recommended in these meetings. What if someone says what does the >> we haven't if if it's something we haven't quoted on >> but then on Don can have if we have our recommendations Don can get up and we
won't be talking he'll be >> I think just for the sake of being we will check it's kind of like you know if if the >> if if they're doing it as an information session then >> yeah but we might cover their pants
hands down and we should be ready. >> We will we will check. Um >> you did that last year. Plan B. >> It will plan B. Um are they doing training on the 21st? Yes. >> We don't have to look. >> Um that's right. Ethics apparently ethics
>> training is needed in town. >> Okay. >> 10 a.m. >> What time? 10 a.m. >> Yeah. Here in the great hall >> again. But this is not this is from the state. >> Yes. This is the real deal. >> As Cindy would say, the real deal.
>> Well, I'm glad I got my calendar filled out now. I'll get you. >> I know. Mine was pretty empty and now it's like, okay. >> No fun this month. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Is that it? >> Um, that's all I have. I'm continuing to
work on getting the revolving account. >> Yeah, I would really like to see those. I think that's >> right. Again, it it's kind of like we've always just gone they they put the numbers up and we say, "Yep, okay, that's what they were before. Let's let's do it again." >> Um, but and and I know we have a process
that if we approve an amount and they're going to spend more in it, we have a process out of out of um out of town meeting where finance committee and select board can both agree to a different amount. has spend.
>> So when they're when that amount is allotted, >> they don't have to spend that much. >> No, that's their spending limit. >> Yeah, this is the high level mark. >> Is it for specific items or is it just the whole whatever they need?
>> Whatever for recreationist, whatever they whatever recreation needs and uses that account for. >> Um when it's the firearms, it's kind of like um there's so many of them. It's kind of like cemetery. So say $100,000. Does that mean what they raise?
>> And there's a spending limit. So they can raise $200,000, but right now >> Oh, but in that one year, they can only spend 100. >> Right. Right. >> So to do with coming in, it's all about going out. >> It's about going out. But if they took in 200, they're probably having a lot
more students and they're going to be >> spending more in need. So, we want to see if we can find historically is is this number right? Or if they're not raising as much anymore and not spending enough, should we should we bring it down? I mean, you
know, those are those are questions we need. And I I do have a followup because we a couple years ago we got rid of two revolving accounts and it was I want to see if there was a little bit of balance in there. We >> do really
>> I want to know I want to know where the reading room >> I want to know where the Abraham E French endowment. >> Yeah, that one's that one doesn't have reading room has a revolving account but the other one doesn't. >> I have money coming and out
>> um for >> for the Abraham French. >> That one I I don't know. I believe the way that that one works is that they have you can spend the interest on it, but when they run low, they take other
worthy or poor funds and the selectman vote to transfer into that. >> Okay. >> To that one. So that there >> because there's a committee for that one, >> right? Trust one of fun committees. Yeah. Most
of them have um something in there saying who is allowed to give away the money so to speak. So if it's the selectman, the selectman can vote to put it in that fund >> to have it spent >> by this other committee, but they have
an application. This there's a process to it. It's not just like you go in and say, "Hey, I don't have enough money for groceries. Can you >> can you give me 200 bucks?" >> You know, it's not that type of thing. Yeah. So, but I was surprised that the um that the reading room account was like
everyone drew a blank. >> I know >> cuz it's $10,000 in 1934. >> Mhm. >> That was that was like a number. >> That was Yeah. Right. >> And now you know where now they don't know where
it is. >> What's been spent out of it? >> And Yeah. M >> and where >> where is it would be first? >> Yeah. Y and again that's one of the I think one of the tenants is the West West meeting room.
>> One of the what? >> One of the one of the revolving council we vote every year. So um >> yeah we got to get that. We got to get more information. >> Y so that'll >> Oh my words
for your for your own. >> Yeah. I won't talk to anybody ever again. >> Okay, then I will >> No, no, it's not you. >> No, no, no. It's not there. Um, I just I'll put together an agenda for Tuesday,
get it posted. Um, we're mostly going to be going over our questions and getting them to >> Yeah, we have to hone in on our >> right. We have we we want to make sure that we're we're concise and clear on on what we're looking for >> and hopefully we'll have the revolving account
>> Tuesday. Okay. >> All righty. >> So, is that it? >> I on the agenda. >> I make a motion that we adjourn. >> Second. >> 8:21. >> 8:21. >> Okay. We have a motion and a second to
adjurnn. All in favor? >> I. >> All opposed? Unanimous. We stand a J.