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Part 1 (Video ID: YVTINlewCzU):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Call to Order, Attendance, and Agenda Review
- 00:04:57: Discussion and Approval of Cemetery Park Hiring Form
- 00:11:11: Recommending the hiring freeze waiver and form discussion
- 00:17:11: Discussion on Annual Town Meeting Motions and Articles
- 00:17:27: Examining draft town meeting motions and articles
- 00:21:19: Debate on Community Preservation Act Funding Allocation
- 00:30:58: Amending CPA Articles, Percentages vs. Hard Numbers
- 00:37:11: Adjusting CPA Articles, Amendment Process and Implications
- 00:42:27: Understanding State CPA Funds and Local Revenue
- 00:43:37: Motion to Recommend Article 4 With Amendments
- 00:45:37: Revolving Funds Overview, Identifying Inconsistencies and Balances
- 01:00:15: Analyzing Conservation, Recreation, and Facility Revolving Funds
- 01:10:56: Correcting Revolving Fund Data and Financial Review
- 01:15:17: Reviewing Cemetery Park Funds and temporary labor
- 01:24:09: Analyzing Fire Department and Animal Care Revolving Funds
- 01:32:23: Public Record and Resource Officer Revolving Funds
- 01:37:11: Closing Revolving Account, Audits and Fiscal Management
- 01:43:12: Recommending Article 6 and Discussion on Budget
- 01:45:09: Discussion about the article 8 the new budget
- 01:48:13: Comparing Budget Changes and Analyzing Funding Sources
- 01:52:16: Evaluating the Effects of override and alternative sources
- 01:57:16: Address Economic growth, Taxes, And fixed incomes
- 02:02:28: Making recommendations on how to move forward.
- 02:09:09: Closing Town's financial issues, getting help with DLS
- 02:15:26: Recommending article 8, no override budget
- 02:16:22: Meeting Adjournment, and Next Meeting Date


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Council and Finance Committee meeting to order at 6:05 p.m. Um, roll call attendance, please. >> Carol House is present. Gerald present Churchill present. >> Dave Walker present. >> Oh, I guess I got to fill out that form

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still. I haven't done that. >> We You get John probably six months to write a letter and you're just going to keep going. >> Yeah. So, Can I keep coming if we'll get to that once we >> get going?

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>> Yeah. So, the meeting's order. Um Sam sent an email and said he wouldn't be here. So, excuse absence for for the this evening. Um this meeting is being recorded. It will be available for playback on the the Townsen YouTube

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channel as well as it will be played back at various times on the local um cable channels 8 and 9. Um, is anybody else recording the meeting

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and being heard? Nobody else is recording. We'll continue into the work session, but we do change my computer. Sorry, I wasn't. So, this is pretty much the same agenda

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as we had last time. We're continuing to go over the annual town meeting, warrant articles, special town meeting articles, um, revolving accounts. Um, and the items that we didn't get to last um on on Tuesday of this week. Um,

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I did have um four minute review the first items um from April 21st. I don't know if anybody had the chance to read them. They were hours earlier this week. >> They didn't say >> what? >> They didn't say anything. The minutes

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from the 21st. That was the >> I didn't see them. >> Oh, that was the audit meeting. >> That was the audit meeting. So, >> well, bas so basically because I wasn't sure you could say anything. I just said we met with the auditor and said there was no >> question or

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I can tell you what it says. Okay. >> Town auditor Roseli and Clark presented their findings for the year ended June 30th, 2025 to the joint finance audit committees in the select board. There were no material weaknesses or significant deficiency noted during this

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audit and that's all it is cuz I want to accept them. >> Um we have to be written or can we just go with the oral? >> Um you can go with the oral. That's the oak. >> That's it. Cuz I just didn't want to put anything in there that I wasn't supposed to put in there. So,

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>> well, were you not supposed to put it in there? I >> I think it was at some point. I think he said there was something about that some of it wasn't for public. I don't know. I >> No, no. I the the audit that report that they have will should be posted in

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>> what I say. So, that's all I said. Oh, there's no votes. >> There were no votes. >> Yeah. Make a motion to accept the meeting minutes of April 21st. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. We had a motion in a second. >> All in favor to accept the meetings. >> I I

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>> I opposed. Hurry. It's unanimous. Um Carol, you can take those and forward to town clerk. >> Yes, I >> Okay. So, I'm going to jump in the packet that I just handed out

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um of items few weeks ago. I had presented a potential form that we could use when >> hiring for example, >> so they can go right in and do it, right? >> Well, right now it's a start. And what I

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did with because we have one for cemetery and parks for today. I took it and put his information in. So we can go through there and use it as a working >> work through um we can see is there anything missing? Is there anything else

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that we're going to go? So again, that's just a template to say this is what it'll look like if we >> if we use this >> if we use it. >> And and again, we we can have a um um little presentation to select board

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to see if they want to use it because they did put select board recommendation at the end because both boards have to approve an exception. >> Yeah, it was like this form. >> Yeah, I I do. It's a good idea. The only thing is does Roger have to sign it or

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does the super um >> person have to sign it or not? >> If you're hiring from the other department, I would he >> um Good question. We can we can put that on on there >> like a line for him to sign >> to sign. Yep. Signature department

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>> like under his or over his name. Okay. Where would you want to put that? I would put a >> over his name. >> What? Just under his name. Department manager and then signature of department manager. >> You could do that. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Good afternoon.

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>> Okay. Signature of >> John how polite he is. Good afternoon. >> Yeah. >> Cemetery parking. >> Yeah. >> I don't think we need that. >> Well, that was the additional information. I said, you know, if there's something where we're hiring some was maybe a contract person or

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something. >> I'm getting a good afternoon. Correct. >> Yeah. Or just copy the email. >> I just copy this email. This is everything from >> Oh, this is what Roger sent to you. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Oh, and you put it in a template >> and I put I No, this >> Forgive me. I'm sorry. >> For him, that's okay. So, um the

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department manager is propos >> um he's requesting season employees and he's called them intermittent, not part-time. Um they're people that will come in and do, let's say, mowing and and other maintenance in the summer and they will do shoveling in the winter.

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>> Okay. I just want to say one Mhm. >> Didn't we already go through this with Rochester that he has a list of people that he keeps on >> all year long that he can hire >> up when he needs them?

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>> Um I don't think we did. >> Okay. >> It's kind of it it doesn't >> ring a bell. >> Ring a bell. Um that that we get >> Well, wait a minute. I don't know why. For some reason, did he ask for help

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already? >> Um, no. I think >> somebody had somebody already he didn't have to ask for the freeze because he keeps the people. >> That could be now a change of seasons and it's got to be on fireside rehire

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for the summer season. >> Oh, right. Because we had to do that's that was part of why we had to do that for the recreation department. It was technically a rehire and they had to we had to go through the exemption for them. So, Whitney seasonal. >> Oh, that was Yeah,

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>> the water department at the summer intern. >> The summer interns. >> And then there was recreation or health recycling center. >> Okay. Oh, we supposed to do some here for that. Fix that. >> So, um

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yeah. So, with this um It's kind of like so the reason for the request is the additional hours required to support summer maintenance requirement >> and these may be higher rehires. don't want to >> I like that you've got the funding

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source and then the omnibus budget line >> right there if there was if there was a funding in the omnibus budget we're going to see it >> right >> um it it I put amount in there just you know it's kind of I'm not quite sure

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what that's going to be whether it's a per hour or a total >> so he wants three people >> he's he said yeah >> so how many people will he have at the end of our tonight if we say yes Do I know? >> The only thing I see on cemetery parks

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is uh the department head and the foreman to >> he has anybody else? >> I don't he doesn't have anybody else other than himself. >> This is just um >> so all those people that cut grass and pull this and all that shovel. >> Yep.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I have a question. I just don't know how to phrase it. That's okay. You >> So he has people now like the people who shovel the winter >> the common. >> Yep.

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>> So are we adding three additional people to the seasonal people already? >> No, that was that was winter seasonal. This is >> seasonal might be the same people. That's what I'm trying to say. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just very similar to what recreation had.

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>> It's kind of like same people but different different >> Right. And because we instituted the townwide hiring freeze, they have to go through this formal procedure. >> We didn't do that. >> We didn't do the phrase, did we? >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> Well, we select >> Well, the select we recommended it though and the select board >> also lowered it and they instructed the TA to to >> implement it. Yeah. >> I make a motion that anybody really freeze anything?

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>> No. Um, >> well, yeah, there was a couple positions that they took down. They took down the accountant position, >> but there was nobody in it. >> They took but but it was an open but it was an open wreck that they were trying to hire.

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>> Oh, we breathing we cannot hire even though it's an open position. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Right. And including I mean the very one of the first one was the mechanic at the highway department because he was in

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>> No, the very first one was a policeman, right? >> Right. And followed immediately the same night. >> Yeah. And then the highway. >> Yeah. So granted No, everybody's >> No, no, no. Those hires were in process. >> Oh, >> and we said continue. So the hiring freeze.

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>> Gotcha. I remember now. >> Um and and so you know the they were real close to to doing it. And I think they appointed the the mechanic clinics. >> Oh, well, you need a mechanic. >> Yeah, they did because they were also

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>> Did I make motion? >> Um, you you go through this. Anything else? >> We make motion to hire or to accept the form. >> Um, >> we do two separate. >> No, no,

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>> no. We make the motion to recommend to grant the waiver. right to grant the exception. This this form is just a and that's all I was using this form hoping that we can >> I like the form. Do you like the

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>> Yeah, I do. I think you like forms. >> Yeah. >> And one thought I had is the original's going to go somewhere probably the HR and the files and copies back to department manager is kind of our department and select board justify.

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>> Yeah, I like the supporting documentation and >> yeah, >> I I think it would be I'm not saying for tonight at all, but I think it would be nice if they would say one mower or >> three lawn mower or three truck drivers

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or two. Yeah, it and it has been our process before is not to get specific here because the actual hire we're making a recommendation for the hire to select for it. So the select board is going to continue to go through um and

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they will also make a recommendation. >> So it doesn't matter. >> Well, um >> but he says it right here though, >> right? >> Yeah. For temporary health for tempor Exactly. So we know it's it's temporary help and

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>> as needed be. So what would reporting documentation be? >> Um >> don't know yet. >> Yeah. Probably it might be different for each request. >> For each request is kind >> everybody who requested an exception might have a different piece of documentation that they want to include

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to justify it >> or one of the do pieces might be the job description or something they want. >> Yeah, that's what I think would would help. But you're saying we're just >> I if if we want that going forward, that's a perfect thing. >> But is it necessary for us or is it just

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necessary to say they can hire a person? >> I think we're more interested in the money in the lens, >> right? Yeah. Making sure not what they're doing, >> you know. Yeah. And when this is coming out of the revolving account, >> okay. >> Yeah. We don't I don't think we really

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care what it is they're doing. We care where does what are they spending and and where does it come from? >> So we know it's coming from >> and the fact that it's coming from their revolving account >> doesn'tffect doesn't affect the town budget. So we

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can >> so I'll make my motion to accept this exception to hiring free request by the cemeterian parks department. >> Okay. I'll second. >> Okay. Um, any further questions or comments?

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None being heard. Um, all in favor of making a recommendation to the hiring phrase in favor. >> All unanimous. >> We're just going to say the vote was

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five to zero because I've got a little wister. >> Oh, yeah. You got a little spot there for that house. before that. And then >> you want extra copies, John, to so that they have extra copies upstairs. Do like three originals or something. Um where

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we have the copies or >> um maybe that's the thing to do. I I again >> every penny every piece of paper helps. >> Yeah, there you go. There's there's one >> and there's another. >> Okay. Yeah, I would I again this was you know

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>> No, I think I think it's a good >> we'll speak with the select board and see if they like it and that way when we do it we can put it in your inbox they can accept it and >> I actually like your idea that okay you print these out for us to go through and then when we vote on it we hand them all

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to you and then you can hand how many copies you need out to people to save the printing >> the originals or whatever. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> I like that idea too. Um, so I that's um I guess >> frugal and we're good with just the vote. We don't think we all need to sign it.

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>> Well, see what my father would always say is he was always called cheap and he would say you're right. >> It's recorded in the minutes and if we need backup copy but and then we'll do a copy for us. So >> now at HCC we sign things. >> Mhm. Right. And that's that's why I know

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sometimes we've we've signed that's why the the question on the form do we want to have all signatures from the whole board or do we want to >> No, I think recording the vote I think the recording the votes and maybe just signed by the chair >> chair. Yeah. Okay.

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>> And it be reflective in the minutes too. So >> it also >> Okay. So I >> and I know planning board most everything's signed by the chair unless >> sometimes everyone has to sign the plans but >> my to be recorded.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But a lot of other stuff we just vote and say the chair can >> sign >> sign for everybody. >> Right. Okay. So that's that is

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on the agenda. So anyway, it's kind of like it it was a perfect opportunity to do it. And one of the things that I generally do, I number documents. So if this was the first one we're doing, it would be 001 and would continue on and

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then get if it continues into FY27, the number changes to FY27, resets to 01. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And starts over again. So then if necessary, we can do a do a log and

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We can take Okay, that's that is the highlight. Sorry, >> I'm sorry. >> All right, but I think we you know have having we we mentioned the form and and that was our

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use. Um, okay. So, now we can go to Do you want to um >> the motions or go with the public stuff? >> Well, that um

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we Yeah, exactly. Do we want to look at the motions because the mo the motions are in this um hand out that we went through today. So, we didn't have the motions last time. We only have our articles.

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>> Oh, we have the motions now. >> The packet that he gave you the >> the one he just gave. >> Yeah. So, if you keep going down after the >> draft motion atm. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Oh, so it's not a draft. It's the motion.

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>> Well, it's it's a draft of So, the warrant articles are what's posted. These are what they're these are the words they're going to say at town meeting to make the motion for those articles. >> Do they match? Do they have to match? >> They they should be within the scope of

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the article, >> right? Yeah. So these so you you can see the the words don't exactly match, but the content. >> Mhm. Oh, because this is what the select person's going to read.

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>> Yes. Yes. Yeah. >> It's like the script, >> right? This is the script. Um, >> and this is the actual >> these these are draft. >> We still have to be reviewed by legal

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just to make sure it covers what it needs to cover. Okay. But we at least wanted to see what the motions were. We haven't. We didn't have it. The new one. Oh, >> I don't know. We probably won't until Tuesday. So,

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>> I have the old one. >> Well, if you sent out one >> uh Karen that was budget without the old send the budget with the over without the Yeah. Did we get that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You sent that.

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>> Yeah. It's just a lot of pages. I'm not cutting it out. >> Okay. Yeah. because a lot of pages if we when we get to the back of this packet I probably should have drawn it over there. Um I went in and the work I did today is I took the budget we had before

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and the no override budget and compared and came up with the list of lines that changed. >> Oh, okay. >> From the old to the new so we can see everything. >> Yeah, that'll be interesting. We should see that. >> Right. Okay. So that that when we get to when we get to the omnibus um we can do

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that because we had voted the budget as recommending that budget >> um but that included with the override. So this is just the changes to it. >> Wait a minute. >> Dated on the 28th. >> These motions are different.

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>> Unless they miss unless they they dropped out article one. Yeah, >> is reports and board. >> Correct. >> Article two is appointments. >> Mhm. >> Article three is the stabilization plan

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for the >> No, it's the starter. >> That's not what the >> Yeah. Article is >> Oh, I have the draft motions. >> What the >> March 19th? Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> All right. But the only thing I'm seeing

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is where they >> Well, that's why I I I didn't want to print the whole budget and hit that and go over every line again. >> We have We have >> um Well, we're supposed to go through

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the >> go through the one we didn't do like >> Yeah, that was that was it. That would be number four, >> right? Yeah, >> when he's out with the community part of >> Yeah, I got a

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>> All right. So, my question on that was what are the other expenses and are they identified in their mission statement? I guess >> so. Carol printed the mission state. >> I just sent you the link, but after I

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printed >> Oh, did you print it? >> Yeah, >> I saw I didn't print it, but I started reading it my eyes were >> these categories ever changed really it >> that's the question J that is the question that's the question

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>> this is this >> I don't think it's it >> this is every well I think what it is these are the buckets that they fit in those are those are the buckets that are spelled out in that act >> well that's what I want to see I want to see the bucket of >> it's it's spelled out in there

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buckets yeah it is it's spelled out in there to 5% up >> up to 5%. >> It's administrative whatever >> and they list a few things in there. >> Yeah. That supposed to cover. >> Yeah. That that

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>> Yeah. And I think it even said, but I think it also said >> there was some other additional >> etc even or something along those lines. Basically saying this is not an exa essentially saying this is not an exhaustive list. I think it was more kind of a these are the kinds of things.

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guidelines >> guidelines, but not necessarily an exhaustive. >> So, my concern is they're getting X amount of money. They're going to give $8,000 to themselves to administrator and then there's three buckets.

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>> Mhm. >> But there's three buckets that go towards >> improving whatever specific things and then there's this kind of catchall >> reserve. >> Y. So let's just say somebody has an

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agenda and we put all this 105,000 away for say 3 years >> and we only give each of the other buckets 16 or 15,000 right >> so at the end of 3 years can they take the full 300,000 and put it on >> one project

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>> yes >> it they >> you know that I don't think is right >> well but the town has to approve it >> right so I understand that but they'll cap the meeting so in anticipation of the T town meeting. >> Doesn't it have to stay within those three?

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>> Yes. Well, there >> those monies are there. The the other >> according to the the way I read the the act. Yes, it has to stay within spent on those three buckets. >> Right. >> Why isn't each bucket getting the same

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amount of money? because I think they're they're trying to give the group flexibility to say, >> "I have this great >> I have this we we have this reading room that we want to fix. So, we're going to spend $100,000 to fix the reading room this year."

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>> Right. out of the >> C and and that way you've got the the the >> the 16,000 that was put in there and then you've got the 105 that's available to go there if if everybody decides

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that's the appropriate use for it. The other thing too to bear in mind is it does say for the for the numbers for the expenses it says up to 5%. So they're allocating the 8121. They're not necessarily anticipating they're going to spend all that. And if they don't

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spend it, it goes into the last category for the reserve of the of the of the whole thing. >> I think that we need we need to confirm it if they if it moves at the end of the year. >> Just I'm just a bad feeling that one of

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these buckets is going to get jipped. >> Well, they each have to have at least a minimum 10%. Right. >> Right. Okay. But >> yeah, they won't lose their bucket of money. >> No, but if >> but if it's 150,000, why is it split three ways? >> Because they might one of them might

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have a special project, >> right? Because they might because you might decide this year to fix the reading room. >> Stop it. >> And if Well, no, but that's a but it's actually a good example, right? Because because the reading room is something that you could use this for

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>> recreation. Yeah. So like like Karen was talking about that other town that bought that chunk of land I think bought that chunk of land so that it wouldn't be developed. >> Okay. >> And so that gives you the flexibility. >> Yeah.

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>> In a year to say okay this this year we want to you know last year we spent. >> So is there a guarantee of X for each bucket each year? >> Yes. 10%. The 10% is a guarantee, >> right? >> And then >> and then if you have a project that it

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makes sense to use, you can supplement it with the with the big one. >> Well, that's why some people didn't want to approve it, >> but it got approved. >> But yeah, >> a lot of people did understand what what they were voting

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>> and and I have a feeling that when it comes out that people aren't going to understand it either. Oh well, but they don't because >> and not because they don't know it's because it won't be explained fully and >> well yeah even when they voted because even because I was working in the polls

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that and a lot of people came over to us saying >> what is this what is this >> we said about it it's what what I mean and it wasn't worded very well. No, it's it's ambiguous and that's what makes

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>> and it was sold in they came to the senior center and they they presented it as I try to challenge him and I don't think people got it but he was basically say oh this is like one time good deal this

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>> we do the petition to resend it. I get you. >> But again, >> but again, so we have to watch that like the water, >> right? >> And not the water. I'm sorry. The trash, >> right? We have to wash it like we watched for like we need to wash the traffic.

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>> Well, see hard one because this money is real the >> Yeah. It's not like in the budget. >> It's not in part of the omnibus budget. This is >> It would affect the finances of the town. Yeah, it could affect the budget because

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if they use the um one of these buckets, the historic resources to to rehab this building >> that affects the budget, we don't have to use that. >> It'll come from

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it's financial and I think it definitely is. Right. >> Yeah. We have to continue to watch it like we watch the trash. >> Yeah. >> And then I would think we would make recommendations whether we feel that this is a good way to spend this money.

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>> No, that one of the things that um Barry Jane had talked about is doing a pros and cons. Very similar to what the state does when they when you have a questions on a ballot. They send out a pro and a con.

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So you you can more clearly see it. Maybe maybe that's the kind of >> And maybe a recommendation is >> No, it's Yeah, maybe it's not a recommendation, but a list of the pros and cons of what it what if you approve this what you know it and again it it

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helps with grants. You know, maybe a grant's going to come along with the money this Well, if they write a grant, they're working on using some of this money to help fund the grant. And you need you need his other money to back a grant. It's kind of like it may be able

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to come from from here, but it it's better to be presented that that whole way with the with you know that how much we're transferring from the CPA and if we do that there's a matching grant part say it's I'm not saying every project

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would be that way but you run the opportunity that if you get a grant and you need to have some matching funds maybe it's CPA funds. So I think I would feel better if the motion said I move whoever it is

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>> that the town appropriate and reserve from community preservation act revenues but following a percentage 10% of the take so to speak >> right >> because we don't know what the take is >> right >> yeah and what happens if we don't have a

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total >> exactly >> right again they I believe >> well I would I would assume that Anything above would go to this the budgeted reserve. >> Right. And this books to the taxpayer

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that there is a number >> hard number and these are the hard numbers. And that's not the case. >> Is it? >> No, it's not. >> We shouldn't put it like that, >> right? Percentage is better. >> I think a percentage is better given that the percentage is what it says in the

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>> these aren't the numbers that they're actually going to put into each of these accounts. >> Yeah. because they really don't know that number yet, >> right? >> Shouldn't be a number there at all. >> Yeah, that's what I >> Okay. Okay. Say if the rules say 10%.

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>> Then put 10%. >> If these are fake numbers, then I agree with >> Well, they're they're the best numbers that they they're estimates. They're not they're not facts. >> They're not fact. Well, they don't say estimated revenue, >> but I think they should not play with it

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because when people see numbers, we have to think out of the taxpayers. They're going to see a number >> and that's going to be the number and you're not going to change their mind. So, if it's >> if if it's higher, then they're going to go sideways. If it's lower, they're >> If it's lower and those numbers come in

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and they say, "Well, it's 14,000 that's in this account, not 16. Where?" They're going to say, "Where did the 16 bill go?" >> Exactly. just leave stuff wide open for >> for um >> credible information which we get a lot. you know, with this reserve.

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>> No, that's it. >> Now, that reserve can't be that number. >> It's all >> again, it's all it's all estimated based on what they estimated that >> and you know that's how we got sold the trash thing. We already know. >> Y >> I'm not saying good, bad, and different,

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but I'm just saying once you put a number in front of somebody, that's the number. >> So, I don't think it's good. Well, I think the problem you face is that you you have to put a number in and and you and there's no way to know what the number is actually going

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to be until the until the money actually comes in. >> But you know the percentage >> in this case you do. Yes. Yes. I mean, and that's >> So, so yeah, I'm what I'm all I'm saying is when we when you mentioned about

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that's how what happened with the trash, >> there was no way to know the numbers on the trash until you actually went through >> because of >> Exactly, Dave. Exactly. >> And and so but but you you are correct that here for the first four items, you

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could put percentages and say the remainder to go to the budgeted reserve. Correct. >> Special projects, >> right? And and the estimates, right? You know, it's kind of like these are estimates and it's kind of like >> But I don't know is it

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>> is is that a I mean >> because it's a forecast, not an unnatural. >> Can you I guess you could make the motion to amend the article to do to change it to that. If we're going to do that, we have to do it on the floor. We have to be prepared >> because otherwise we we either recommend

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the way it is here or we have to amend it to change it to percentages. One or the other. I see what they're do. I I get what they >> I doing too, Carol. And and that is to me because it's a sales pitch. >> Yes.

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>> Instead of factual information. >> No, I get it. That's what I >> No, I I get you because you know how I'm all about the trash. >> Yeah. And you've already gone through that. >> Yeah. I mean I mean um >> I don't Yeah,

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>> this isn't a judgment on the program. This is a semantic thing. I think we should be using percentages and not numbers because we don't know the numbers, >> right? And then at the end of the next year, at the end of the FY27 when we know what the numbers actually were, come back and report that this is the

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amount that went There would be that would be very acceptable. Yeah. >> So, so >> so if we wanted if we wanted to amend it, so say we would say something like from FY2027

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estimated revenues for for committee administrative expenses >> uh up to up to 5%. Well, no, I think because we because they have shown it as the 5% number here, I would I would name it the hard 5%.

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Because if you say up to then they can adjust the >> but the state. >> No. Yeah, the state the state one says up to. So, but it but it only says that for the administrative expenses. It doesn't say that for the other three. The other three it gives it says 10% >> 10 10 and then the remaining >> maybe the town thinks that it should

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only be 3%. or is that up to the committee? I think that's up I think that's up to the comm I think that's up to the committee in the sense that >> they don't have to present it to the >> well in the sense that that's the money that they have to say oh okay if we if

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we fix the reading room we can apply for this grant >> right and and it cost us this much to do the paperwork to do the grant >> what the committee says or >> no >> no it doesn't it's not in there what the >> committee's

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I think the idea is that They can use up to 5% for the administrative activities and anything that they don't use in that 5% goes into the budgeted reserve bucket, >> right? >> Okay.

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>> Well, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because the other thing everything's based on >> everything else is everything else has a hard percentage on it, >> right? >> I don't know. I did >> I guess I I see what they're doing. They're trying to give the most full disclosure, but I don't I just don't

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like giving people numbers. >> Mhm. Understood. Yeah. >> No, I get that. No, I agree. I agree. It should be what the percentage is, right? Yes. Because they don't know the number. >> If they wanted to put example >> example at the end of

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insurance company, here's what you're going to earn in like three. >> Yeah. No, I just don't like hard numbers when it's not a hard number >> when it when it may not match up. >> It could be higher. It could be lower. >> And then we're going to have the push

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back from the people or even from here like what are you doing? What's going on? We were promised that you said this. >> Yeah. >> And then you got to answer. If we say percentage, you don't have to answer, >> right? But you could do the report. So, >> we should do the report later. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. But Yeah. So that just says that that you you would have to amend that article on the floor though to >> we recommend it. So would we do it if we recommend it? >> Well, you can make the motion to to you can you can make the motion on the floor

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to to amend article 4. >> You have to make but the person who makes suggested has to amend it, >> right? And we can write it out in advance and have it ready there. What she's saying is she's not doing it. >> It's kind of like

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're saying we can write it up ahead of time. >> Pipe it up, >> right? Because you can write it up ahead of time because he always asks for the written event. >> Yeah. You have to give him something in writing anyway, so you might as well write it up. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So,

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You write it. I'll say it. How about that? Same effort. >> I could take a stab at writing it. Send it out to everybody. >> Yeah. So So just how is it? You're just going to say 10%

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up to up to 5% 10% 10% 10% the remainder. >> Okay. We could do up up to 5% up to 5% and then it's 10% >> on the other >> on the other in the remainder goes to the reserve to the reserve.

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Yeah. >> And then we just >> say it. I had no problem getting >> and we could say the reason why we're doing this is because these numbers we don't know that these numbers are correct. These >> are well and that's how we present it. These numbers are estimates. We don't

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know that these are the actuals. It It's kind of like >> change from year to year >> and and it will change year to year. It's kind of like but again you know that it would the when we get to next year FY28 will have new amounts in there but

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>> no you have to rewrite the whole thing >> um in the just the motion. >> Okay. Just a motion. Okay. >> Well I think you'd have to say Yeah. You'd have to say change this line to this. >> Yeah. So, change the appropri

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appropriations from the existing >> to Okay. >> Change or >> change >> cuz we're we're we're recommending to amend the motion to change the numbers >> to change the numbers to percentages.

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>> Okay. >> Recommending >> the motion to amend. for making recommending to amend the article. >> Okay. >> To change the numbers to percentages.

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>> Amend the motion because they make the motion on the forum where >> right >> amending the motion >> or the article or whatever. >> Change numbers to percentages, >> right? >> And then you would just what it says and then

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>> and then underneath it >> underneath it put what you want to change it to >> and amend to. >> Yeah. change too. >> Okay, I can type that all up >> and send it to >> except and send it to everybody. >> Thank you. >> And then you can all critique it.

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>> No, I have a question. Is this is this the money that's just >> coming from our taxes or is this also the money that's coming from the state from the sale of >> real estate? >> Right. And again, we don't

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>> No, no, no, no, no, no. the matching you Kathy's talking about the matching CPA funds money. >> So every time there's a sale of of real estate in the state money goes from that sale into a bucket to >> which gets distributed

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>> at the end the town that participate >> right at the levels and the percentages they are the towns that are 3% will get a higher amount than we will because we're at 1%. So this is only a one 1% and so whatever that money is it's

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divided up evenly based on the amount where that money go >> you know which >> well it it will come into the town and then it has to go into the CPA funds um economic >> then that would either have to be 10% 10%

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I don't I don't know that that money will probably come in in FY28 yeah >> because they have to close the fiscal year right do all the books and see all the towns that >> it has to go into if it has to go into

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at least the reserve fun. >> Would that go into the budgeted reserve or would it be split up the same >> the same the same percentages? Yeah, I think it has to be >> again it's you know >> the way I read it it has to be split the way we that's but that was my might not

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legal interpretation but >> so you're saying that that money there might be more money is that what you're saying >> well there will be more money from what >> well isn't this basically this no I think this is based on their their

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estimate of what the 1% will be >> the you said it's your house with you. But right now, oh% of that, but you have to $100,000 deduction for every

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>> It gets us in the ballpark. >> New to us, but not new out of state. >> No, no. I mean um the CPA because I thought that whenever there was a real estate sale prior to CPA not to us but to the state of the world

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>> tax yeah certain but is that different now or is it changed? >> Yeah. >> Oh it's still it's still the same >> but we get money back from the sale of property. >> We the sale of property not not within the

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town. This is the it's a pool for the whole >> No. You know what this is, but I'm saying right now you're not in it. >> You don't get it. >> You don't get anything. >> You don't get anything. You don't even get your percentage of a tails that was sent that was on your property. They don't do that.

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>> No, >> it all goes to the state. >> Yeah, I would. Yeah. >> Okay. >> And and again, that's probably in the cherry sheet, you know, in in the cherry sheet numbers. They don't they it's not separated out anywhere that I've ever seen.

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just collect that's a collection but this CPA is specifically has been a separate >> No I get I I I know that I know that but I always thought >> so do we do we need to make a formal motion to recommend the change to

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article 4 >> we >> um >> yeah I get yeah we need to do we >> do we want to >> well don't we make want to make a motion to amend >> right the motion to change. >> Yeah. So, >> so they'll make the motion.

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>> We're we're recommen we're recommending article 4, but >> with the amendments. >> With the amendments. >> Okay. So, >> so they come up if they read the their amendment first, then we amend it, >> right? They would read the article as it the motion as it stands and then we

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would and then we would say we want to amend it. All right. So, for this P, we're going to >> So, I move that we recommend article 4 with the proposed amendments that we are that we will propose

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>> with propos. >> Wait, >> with the amendments that we will propose >> on on the floor >> on the floor >> with proposed amendments on the floor. How about that? >> Yeah, that's >> is that with proposed amendments on the floor? On the floor. >> Great. I mean I I

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Okay. >> Hey, so we had we have a motion to approve article 4. >> Yeah. >> Well, make amend for proposed amendment. >> Amendment four. >> Okay. >> And then write the >> amendment up.

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>> Yep. That sounds good. All in favor? >> I. All >> opposed. And >> article five was uh was approved >> article five >> that was the that revolving fund

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>> that was the new revolving fund for the police detail administrator >> fe number six we didn't do we got to do the revol because John >> printed those right

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>> okay so I gave those She don't drive last time. Which one did they say at the top? >> Okay. So, um they they look like the BBA if you remember what they were like. >> I do. >> Okay. So,

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>> is it the ledger history? >> Okay. So, yeah. What I'm going to do is ask you all to sort of take a look at the sheet that I gave out today. >> Oh, today the one um this white

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So it's talking about the revolving fund balance. >> Yeah, it was in it was trying to be in order. So after after the warrant after the motion >> we we have this sheet. >> Okay. >> Because it's in a packet that

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sheet is the one. >> So after the motions, >> it's at the at the go all the way to the back. >> Three. Three from the back. >> Oh, three from the back. >> Yep. one. >> That's two. >> Yeah. Wait.

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>> Okay. So, if you look at it, the right side is going to look like the chart in article six. >> 45. >> So, start with 45,000. >> Okay. >> So, now beside it, I have two columns.

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>> One says revolving fund balance list. >> Mhm. The other says revolving fund summary list >> and now and you notice that they have different numbers >> seven and eight >> seven and eight because when we get the

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BVA report they're not the way they read through on the article. So if we're going if we're looking for funds you're going to be jumping and searching these pieces. Oh, >> so and and I'll just we'll just take the

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first one on >> recycling an example. >> Yeah, exactly. So, we'll start with recycling on the top. The spending limit is 45,000 and I and a spell I'll fix the spelling on it. Um >> yeah, we like the numbers.

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>> I didn't do spell I didn't do spell check on it. So, if if we take the first one, it so take the revolving fund balance list. So then >> ledger history trial balance general ledger right >> now we're on another page

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>> now we're back to the BBAS that we had >> balance general ledger >> which one general ledger >> does it say one segment two department >> conservation commission

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>> um >> old house meeting the other one >> this This one's expanding that. >> That's a gentleman. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, it is the one that is in landscape mode,

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>> which is the sideways. >> Yeah. Okay. >> The sideways one. >> Okay. So, it's neither. >> So, >> we find the sideways one. >> Yeah. Yep. Yep.

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>> Where did you find that? I gave that out last week. You g out. Last week >> Tuesday, not last week, but Tuesday. >> Yeah, last meeting. >> It seems like last week. Okay. So, >> so can I go here? >> Right. See the sections. Section one,

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section two. >> Section three. >> Section all the segments. >> After we get to that, what are we going to know? >> Okay. We have >> We're looking for the recycling house. I hope you go down here.

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>> Yeah, except Okay. So, go to the second page. >> It's It's actually the seventh >> item in that list. >> Does it make sense? >> Does it make sense? >> Cemetery. >> No, it recreation

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>> recycling board of health. >> Board of Health. You want to look right here? on this on this. >> No, >> help. >> Oh, real. >> Okay. >> What about you, Chad? >> Second page right here. >> Second page. Second second. >> Okay. So, now that we're here, what do

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we order? Am I on the right page? >> Oh, right. Look right here. >> Health revolving. >> Okay. >> So, we talked about and it's a $45,000. >> Okay. That's that. Okay. So, that matches that matches. That's what we

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match. It's kind of like, and this is the first time we're looking at these. So, we have, you know, it's kind of like, >> so, >> so what do we know? >> So, we know that they're asking for $45,000 on article six, >> correct? >> For board of health, but it's number one

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here. We're looking at it on the second page. So, you're not looking >> it's not going to be in order. >> It's not in order. So, that's >> Oh, that's okay. So, but that's what the math is. >> I do not. >> So, the math the math is trying to tell you. >> Oh, yeah.

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>> Yeah. But the math's not really working for me. >> You're saying it's item seven, >> right? It's item seven on this list. So, if you go back to the top, you know, you are too much on the numbers, guys. Please don't make numbers. >> Sometimes I think so. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7.

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Okay. And how did she three? >> It is eight. >> Eight. I got to run. Okay. Eight. >> Okay. Yep. >> So, it's eight. >> Okay. So, that's trying to help us. >> I was trying to help you because you're

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going to be jumping from I got it. >> No, no, no. But, but that's the thing. What? >> He's staying on on this thing. A >> It's in the eighth group. >> It's in the eighth group.

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>> So, if you count down one 2 3 4 5 6 7 >> and it's eight cuz that's still part of the cemetery all about. And then you find >> Oh, four. Okay. >> So, when we eventually get there, we want to make sure.

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>> Okay. So, but but that's why this is not it. It's kind of like >> Oh my god. I want to go back to HTC. >> Okay. So, you are you going to the other? >> We have no number. >> This seventh one, right? So, if you go to the other sheet,

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>> which one? >> This one. It is now the seventh one. One, two, three. >> Oh, so okay. Oh, I see what you did. It's like the index. >> This is an index. It's an index to get you >> to be able to use these two sheets. >> Correct. Got it.

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>> And map to as they're going down from the motions. >> Okay. For you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Right. >> I don't I don't understand what this sheet shows me though because this one shows cuz the number here is so big. >> This is the money they have in the >> These are the balances.

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>> Okay. >> The balances. >> This one's the balance. Current balance. >> So the balance would be higher than what they can spend, >> right? But they're only going to spend that much money in a year, >> right? Okay. >> So, yes there. >> So, so had $19,000 come in and they

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spent 24. >> Yep. >> That's like BBA talk, right? >> That's BBA talk. >> Yeah. Okay. I understand that now. >> Okay. >> A year later, I got it. >> So, they have now Wait, it is now May.

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>> $24,000 left. So, is this one of the ones that we can say you can't have that much money? No, >> no, no, no, no. This this is this is this is very different. This is a revolving count that goes year to year. This doesn't stop at the end of a year or anything.

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>> It's kind of like the money's just in there. >> This one for the recycling center. Is that this revolving? >> That's what that account for is the recycling. >> So, when you read across >> spending limit, >> right? That just says recycling. So, >> we spend that one. >> So, that but that's the name in the

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Yeah, they could bring in >> $3 million and they can only spend 45,000. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, what are what is our watchdog looked for to see if they're if they spent more than >> No, we're we're concerned whether they have enough money in their spending

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limit, >> right? >> Because things go up. Yeah. >> And we're comparing that to >> we're comparing right now it's only to this year that they've got the 45, you know, >> and they've only spent 24,000. Right. So they're good and they still have >> we we think they're good.

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>> They still have 20,000 left that they can spend. >> Yeah. So that's pretty good. They might have money left over. >> Well, it it's they will have money in the account because the balance one is is going to show that there's a very bigger balance in there. >> Right. >> Now, it's just one of those mentality

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things where if they have the money, they spend it. >> No, no, they they are cautious. They only spend it on, you know, this is to keep the recycle center and pay for the labor in the cycle. Recycle center paid for the pickup >> and disposal.

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>> So that's, you know, they get their fees and so we have the money going in, the credits are going in >> and then the debits are are going out, >> right? And and so >> so >> so my question on the on the fund, I understand what we're showing here.

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>> Yeah. If they are allocated to spend 45,000 next year, >> right? >> Yeah. >> But they start the year with 40,000 already in the account and then they they have their credits coming in,

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>> right? Yeah. >> Right. >> What happens with essentially the excess money cuz they're going to wind up the year with a lot of stays in there. >> Okay. if they a few years back they uh upgraded the building up there and I

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believe some of that came out of the revolving account. Okay. >> So they will spend it >> but it might be on more of a capital type project comes out of there >> and then that that does that have to get approved by anybody or do they just do that?

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>> It's in the revolving account so as long as it stays under their spending limit it would >> Right. But I guess what what I'm saying is so >> if they want to >> if they want to if if they have >> Mhm. >> I mean it looks like essentially they bring in around 45,000 a year. >> Right. >> Right. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. Fine. So if if I start if they start the year with 60,000 they bring in 45 and their spending limit is is 40. So or spend 45. So they're going to spend 45 on normal operation >> and they need and they want to spend 20,000 to upgrade it.

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right? >> Do they have to come to to somebody to say, "We have this extra money in the account. We want to spend it on this item >> if they're already at their spending limit um and they want to do it in a year." The answer is yes. It doesn't

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have to be a town meeting. There's an exception to the policy and voting what happens at town meeting that if both the board of the select board and the finance committee approve an increase in the spending, it can be increased during the year. Okay. >> So, so if they want to spend more than

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45,000 next year, >> we have to approve it and the board and and the and the select board has to approve >> if we vote only 45,000 at town meeting. Yes. >> Oh, okay. >> Right. So, these are the these are the amounts we're going to vote at town meeting. >> Mhm.

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>> Is in in the article. And >> like I said, I don't like that we do we can do things outside town meeting. I'd rather see if we can do them. And so this is really the first year we're looking at these >> these reports and saying, you know, for

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for the revolving fund. >> Let me ask another question. >> Yeah. >> Um on the balance ledger. >> Mhm. >> The column says debits this period to date and credits this period to date. Is that period from the start of the last

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fiscal year to now or is it or is it okay? So basically they're saying so far this year on the board of health account so far this year they've paid out 19,25 over the past nine months. Right. >> 10 months maybe.

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>> Yeah. >> And they've brought in 24,000. So they've brought in roughly 5,000 more than they than they've had to spend. >> That's right. But it could be a half full dumpster up there.

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>> Sure. No. Right. I I know. >> So >> So in April in in May and June, they may have to spend 20,000 for for whatever reason. >> All out. Yeah. >> Um but they may also bring in another 10,000, >> right? Yep.

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>> And and so then if and that >> Okay. >> And they'll be within in their limit. So >> now, who sets that number? >> We do a town meeting every year. >> Oh, no. But do they ask you or do we just take it out of the cloud? Um well that's the thing every year it it's kind

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of like this um every year at at town meeting we we used to see the article but never the behind the scenes numbers. This is the first year we're seeing the numbers for the revolving account >> and so we're trying to >> I think I think the departments

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>> the department >> they're going to need >> right >> and would ask for >> so they put they put the 45,000 down >> they did it they gave it to >> and when expenses go up there there's been expenses and increases in this but

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yeah >> because this also includes like their electric bill and budget >> only this is what for the recycling center only but in total of all the money that they will spend. >> Yep. And they want to remain self-sufficient. That's why they'll go

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up in their fees if they need to, right? >> So that they could >> So 45,000 they believe that they can live within that budget. >> Yeah. >> So it's right. >> Yep. >> So let me ask this question on the conservation commission which is $20,000. >> Where are you? Oh my number.

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>> You did a jump. I didn't jump, but it's it's sec it's second on the it's the second one. >> Which one? >> This one. And it's >> which would be the revolving fund summary list. >> And it's for the old beating house park/repair and maintenance. Correct.

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>> But they haven't spent any expended any money. >> No, there's money in there and nothing has been spent all the year. Have they hadn't have they spent money in the past? >> That is this is this is right now the problem because we only have this year.

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I didn't didn't know when we were requesting the information that I should have gone back to at least got four years, you know, like an 25 report to look at. >> I do know this. >> Are you on the conservation committee? >> No. >> Okay. So Jerry knows this. I know this

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and Kathy knows this cuz we just went to the conservation meeting. They had those three men, those three young men that want to clean up. >> Mhm. >> So maybe assuming that this 20 is the same 20 and they've never spent it. >> Mhm. >> This might be a year that they will

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because they're they're putting into place >> these cleanup apual perpetual care. >> Yeah. There's three men from bicycling wasn't built on the river though.

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>> No, no, it was it was it was land trails and water trails. >> And what they're trying to do, which I think is amazing for Charlton, is that they want to clean up all the trails in town >> so that you can do walking trails without tripping, falling, getting, you know, by snake.

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>> And then they want to do it for >> walking, >> bicycling in the wind. >> And they want to do eventually the Squan River. So >> that would be good. >> That would be good. Now they do get

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grants. They get their own grants. >> This is only for old meeting house. >> They're starting they're starting there. >> That's going to be their first >> and that's that's the piece when you when you look at the list of the revolving >> and you get into the details of what the

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account names really are, you you look like you have something different. >> And you know, Don, that also >> when we look at these numbers, it it's really good. But I would have said looking at this number like oh like you would they need the 20,000 they haven't

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spent it >> it's May but because we happen to know this little tidbit. >> Mhm. >> Right. >> Then we could keep it open. >> But where it stays open >> well like Okay. So in this case where do where do they so I see that

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>> on the on the balance no money went out this year no money came in. >> How do they get money coming in? That's that's that's the next thing I want to know. I don't know that yet, but those are questions that came up to this particular >> particular that's that's

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>> if it's from wood cutting and stuff like that. >> Yeah, maybe. But I could kind of either become acquainted with, >> right? It it's kind of >> important. It it is and that's why I I

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it's always been in the back of my mind to look at it, but this was really the first year that I requested. >> Yeah, this is good. We should look at this every so often. >> Yep. So, >> all right. >> Yeah. >> Um >> that was the one I saw that didn't have

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any money expended against it. >> Oh, no. >> Oh, no. There's another one here. Yeah, there's more. >> There's there's more. >> Yeah, there's more. I go in order. Um well that's that's >> which which order >> so yeah so if if we go

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>> you want to go in this order go >> there wants to go >> the second one is recreation program in um >> she's still talking okay where's that that page 89 >> that's on the second page

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>> it's the last one you could have put last ones on Yeah, >> but only yeah to senator >> recreation. >> Not really. I'm just like not the brightest ball. >> Right. And that's the thing. It's kind

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of like I I I think one way and not you know it's kind of I think like a left-hander. So, >> so this account is basically >> this account is basically the whole recreation for the for the summer program and and anything else you might do in the different in the winter or whatever.

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>> That for her salary just let's talk about that. >> Yeah. >> No, don't have fun. >> No, no, no. You you'll see if you will. >> Oh, I can't wait. They'll tell me. >> No, no. Yeah. So now,

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>> so that one, the so the one is the number. So they've got the 100,000. We upped that from 80,000 a couple years ago. >> Okay. >> Because >> um they said they were spending more than the 80,000 that it was at the time.

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>> So and and again, if we're not getting as much revenue, if we're not having as many expenses, why keep it at a 100,000? That's >> agreed to thousand. It's kind of like so that's a piece of let's do the appropriate level and review it. >> Well, that's what we're getting at at

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the old meeting house world 20,000. I would have said before let's get rid of do that but I happen to know this >> this information >> and I'm all about >> hiking your hiking. >> No, but cleaning the trails.

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>> No, I agree 100%. I think it would be wonderful for the town economically, >> environmentally, the whole >> it could. >> But let's really concentrate on this. >> Right. Well, it it kind of >> Oh, I'm not sworn in yet. >> Okay.

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>> You didn't go down, >> right? Yeah. Okay. >> If I can talk about it. >> No, no, no. It It's kind of like I mean, as somebody on the committee, I would expect why not look at this, too. >> Oh, kind of. But this doesn't tell us how where they get their money from. No,

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they get it from the answer. >> If you look at the uh other sheet, >> oh this one, the the tells me what how much money they brought in. >> The last one. >> So that will be the eighth one.

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>> The last evening. So they brought in 85, >> no they brought in 94,000 so far this year. Credits credits this credits >> to bring in. >> So that that's Yep. That's the the

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credits is how much is has come in and the debits is how much has been paid out. >> Yeah. It would be nice to see what that is. >> Well, it should be right on that sheet. >> It is. >> No, no, no, no. I mean, >> yes. Well, >> what are we going Oh, okay. >> Okay. I get it.

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We're just looking at the summary now because to get into detail it it it's it's >> yeah it's the weeds. We want to look at do we have the right numbers being >> I would think that 94,000

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>> and they 100 I don't think that's a big leap. I mean >> no that's why >> they might do something else a little over I mean I don't think that's outrageous. >> No it's not. >> No. So so that seems appropriate. Yeah, it seems. Yeah. >> Y

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check off recreation, >> I think. So, >> yeah. Okay. >> Did we check off recycling, too? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. >> Yep. And we check off conservation as well. >> We did. It's number eight on that. >> Number eight. We just did.

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>> Oh, yeah. Oh, meeting house. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Number three on the facility. Oh, I say give him that like money. They need spring, >> right? And I believe this is Memorial Hall rental fees might go to this.

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>> Okay. >> Really? >> Who rents the hall? >> Anybody? One year we rented it for the cub for the Cub Scouts to run our our uh Iowa derby upstairs. >> Are you reading? >> Well, I won't cuz I'm my son's been out

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of Cub Scouts for 12 15 years. So >> um so that's >> I mean that those kind of those kind of things >> rentals that I think that's reasonable. >> It it has the balance up higher. >> So what what are you looking at?

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>> They've only brought in $177, >> right? And if you look at the expenses, they've only spent 20. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I was listening today. So, I don't understand what >> why do they need it?

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>> Well, it it's it's a way that if you get if if you receive funds for renting the hall, >> if you have to clean it and and say hire Surro or whoever to come in >> and do it, the funds would come out of there, not >> out of facility, >> out of the budget.

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>> Out of the budget. >> So, they must have started this out with like $5,000 or something. >> They They may have. >> So, we should watch this >> again. Yeah, it it's kind of like um what >> you know it's not a very active one. So 4,000 >> very active,

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>> right? >> That's the big thing. Yeah. >> On this 51 over here, it's 4,000,000. >> Okay. And what is this? How is this allocated dollars different than the

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allocated $4,000? Am I looking at the right one? >> She maint this is the balance in the account. >> Oh, okay. >> And this is what they're spending.

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>> This is the ending balance. >> So that that >> So those So this doesn't have to match. Actually, you think, Don, I think that the debits this period >> is what they're actually bringing in and the credits is what's going out

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>> because if you look at this because if you if you just look at this one, right? >> Yeah. >> It started with 516. >> If you take away if you take away 157, >> you're going to get that. >> So, I think they brought in 20 came in

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and 177 went out, >> right? But this says credit. That says debit. Now, did you create this or did you pull it out? >> This is from Elizabeth. >> The account. >> So, >> okay. So, I think I think we just

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>> the columns. Okay. >> So, you're saying the debit column is >> really you're debiting the account >> in the credit, which makes sense. >> The debit is what comes in. >> Well, let's always think of debits going out,

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>> right? I always think a debit's going out and credits coming in, but it's the opposite here. >> But yeah, because >> that and that makes sense. >> Does that change what the information? >> Well, how it changes is so if we go back down to the recreation commission, they actually brought in 51,000 and spent

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94,000. >> Yes. Well, on which one? >> You go back to recreation, they actually brought in 51,000 so far and they've spent 94. Okay, wait a minute. I got to process that. >> Okay,

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>> but they started with 85 and they still have 42 left. >> There was 85 to start, >> brought in 54 to get to 130 >> and then they spent 94. >> So now they're remember Mary Jane is that summer starts in July,

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>> right? >> Oh, so that's but the money coming in >> comes in in June or May or whatever. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, it's kind of, you know, it's >> so it's hard. So,

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>> these two these two things often are not going to match. >> Okay. >> Right. Except in the case of if you look at if you look at this one we're on now, which is the maintenance, >> right? >> Facilities. >> The facilities. Yes. The credit is 177.

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And if you look at his line on this one, you can see that it says they spent 177 out of their 4,000 allocation this year. >> So for cleaning suppor >> so that's what made me say, "Wait a minute, those two columns mean different things." >> Different things. So I would say this

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would be one of the things to watch because if they're only going to spend $20 every year, >> no, they spend 1791 and let's say they spend 200 every year. >> Mhm. and bring in nothing. How much they bring in? $20.

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>> Go far. >> Yeah. >> Where do we Where do we leave that at 4? We >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. >> This is our first year, wouldn't it? >> Right. >> We don't have a whole >> because we don't have the history. >> So, we give everybody the benefit of the doubt, but we should watch this one. >> Yep.

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>> But we need to watch them all. >> Well, no, I understand that. But we >> This one we we could give this to facilities where they can really fix something. Great. Like if they saw like he has history maybe is it

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>> no that comes out of the special >> that's the um yeah >> y day for really >> everything the hall >> say they spill something on the wood floor >> yeah it's got to be fixed

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>> it has to be fixed >> I see like an emergency >> so you don't know you don't So some years it's probably more than >> I don't know how much they're making on renting. Oh, I just think that's what I'd like to watch. >> Yeah, cuz $170 they they

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made $20. So maybe nobody rented the I mean and we don't know if that's where that's where the fun >> probably. >> Right. For all I know when we did it with the Cub Scouts maybe because it was the Cub Scouts they said you don't have to pay. I don't know. >> Oh because you were >> back then. I think they did.

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>> I know today's world. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> $200. You got to have a million dollar worth of insurance, >> right? >> Bring your own insurance. >> Crazy. >> Oh, that's right. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. We know that. >> Okay. That's right. So, all right.

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>> Okay. So, we're good with that one. >> Okay. >> So, I'm not even gonna look at I'm just going to listen to you people tell me because >> Yes. >> Okay. So, >> Okay. So, the >> K and I have no idea where we are. I am totally parks. >> Now, this is the fund that where new

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people are coming out of. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Yep. If we if we happen to go to the DL, it's kind of like you can see >> the temporary help. >> This is the temporary. This is where the temporary >> the total on the next >> the next. So, $12,37

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is what, Dave? what they brought in. >> No, that's expended on this sheet. >> The cemetery they No, they they brought in 15,447 >> and they've spent 14. >> He's looking at You got to go back and forth.

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>> Yeah. >> Right around right here. I think that I don't know who is it almost cemetery. >> Oh, I see the 15,447 and they spend 14,000. And how much do

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they want to spend? 35. >> They're allocated 35. That's what they can spend. >> And they have 42,000 in the kidney. >> So they're in their ballpark, >> right? >> Mhm. Yeah. >> They're okay. >> Yeah. So it again when they get to doing

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some real lane clearing and and building that's >> right. Fire alarm. >> Yes. So there's Okay. So here >> fire alarm involving fund. >> Yep. Yep. So if you look this says 5-2

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>> because in in the segment there are four three or four >> different accounts. >> I see. One, two, three. >> So, so you're saying the the the >> Oh,

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>> in Okay. So, you're saying in the fire EMS department, there are three revolving accounts, >> correct? >> Oh, >> okay. >> First is fire. First on the list is fire alarm. >> I see. I see. Fire alarm. Fire alarm. >> Well, this fire is

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>> But over here there's no fire. >> I don't see fire. >> It's in the sec. The second one is in the >> Oh, the fire. Okay. Yeah, I see. Okay. >> 4-1. >> Yeah. 52 and 41. >> Second one. >> All right. I got it.

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>> There's got to be >> there does, but this was what we had. We had these pages. >> What we had fire alarm? >> It does. >> Yeah. >> So, on that one, it should be the second >> account. Meeting house hill meeting hall

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revol fire evol fire alarm in the middle >> in the yeah that's why >> so fire raft community different >> yes >> and fire EMS is different >> 5-3 yeah >> oh you've done this for us

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>> right and they haven't they haven't actually expended anything yet this year but that doesn't mean they won't >> right okay so let me ask a question's concern about their bunker gear does that come out of this No, no. >> Okay. >> No, >> that's coming out of the sale of property.

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>> Yeah. >> That's coming out of the sale of property. >> So, what is what fire alarms does this maintain? The fire alarms in in town buildings. >> Um, yeah. So, they they go around and they inspect I believe this is what it is. They go around and they do fire

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alarm inspections like in the schools, >> any public building, >> any public building. >> And there's a fee for that. So, the fees go in here. It is also a cost >> a cost to send the inspector out. So it's not actually paying to say replace the alarm right there. It's paying for

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the person to come in and do it >> and then and then they and then the the department gets paid for to have them come in. >> They had Okay. So So that means they they probably is that scheduled like once a year? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So it's not time for them to do it

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yet. So that's why they haven't spent anything. >> Yeah. I think they do it sporadically over like they might do all the schools >> have to do homes to make sure those are working that's on sale anymore. >> N >> maybe Oh, that's being sold. They may. Yeah, >> they may have to do that.

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>> So why like the re house is connected to the to the >> Yeah, but that's a private. >> No, >> that's not private. The re Oh, the reed house. No, that's private. >> Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking the reading

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is what I was thinking library. >> So, so this may be just for the town buildings that it goes to, but we're not sure. >> Right. Right. >> Why do they have to have a revolving program that why can't they just put in their budget? >> Because money comes in, >> right, >> and then money goes out.

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>> It's kind of like and you want >> So, you're saying comes in a separate it would go into the general fund. >> Oh, but they want to get it. I get it. >> Yeah. Because almost easier to track it that way rather than >> Yeah, I agree. I agree. >> Rather than come into the general fund

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>> and then it goes and then they have >> right. Yeah. Given the >> Yeah. >> Do you want to go next on the list or do you want to stick with the fire because there's two other >> No, let's just go down the list. >> Okay.

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>> You want to stay in animal, >> right? >> Going to what? Six. >> Two. Three, four. >> And so what is what do we have any idea what this is? >> Is that that book we're supposed to be keeping track of? >> No. No. This is not the book.

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>> This this is if you if you look on the sheets, I think it's it's if they have to board any animals. >> Oh, >> that this fund would be boarding and then there'd be a charge back. What animals would they

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>> if they found my dog out and they found it, they weren't sure who it belonged to, >> then they would >> so they would take it and feed it and >> Yeah. get that. >> Yeah. And maybe it might need some kind of care because it was hit, >> right? >> Like one day I called because I was at

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my daughter's house and there was a little bird that had broken wings and I didn't know what to do. >> She came she came. He took it. How much did they bring that money? >> So they bring it. >> She took it and then we'll look. >> Yeah.

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>> So this this again is this is our first time looking at them. We'll have questions like this. >> Mhm. >> Um >> when you come in I wonder if they ever big animals like a cow. >> How about a cow? Well, >> we lost a horse once.

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>> You lost a horse? A horse? >> Yeah. We It was when we first moved in. We had we just had um wire fencing up, right? Not not a a wood or a plastic. >> And this horse that somebody was keeping at

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house. I'm standing there looking. I'm like, "No one." Yeah. >> ran down the driveway across the street into the woods and was gone. >> Really? >> And and um >> so my wife and my my wife and the and the the girl who had whose horse it was,

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they went out looking for it. And the next day, they went riding through around the the woods there. And finally, like at 5 or 6 the next day, it popped out at the bridge. Look how >> ran across the road, slipped and fell in

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the road and then kept going. They actually they actually finally caught it up near the New Hampshire line. >> The thing was going home. >> Yeah, >> he was going home. I mean, I was like it was >> But I mean, so we never >> Did they find her for that?

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>> No. No. Well, I mean the animal control never she never had to do anything because we found you know the >> but if she found it somebody reported >> where was she going to keep him over >> right >> there's going to be somebody that has >> well I think I mean we we reported we reported the horse missing so the police

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knew >> and uh cuz actually I think we might have gotten I think we actually might have gotten the call that from the police saying oh a horse just ran across my 19 at the bridge Mhm. >> And so >> would you know anything about it?

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>> Well, they just didn't know. Could that be Could that be yours? And and we figured it was >> the way to mason. I didn't know horses did that. I knew dogs did >> do that. Do cats. Yeah. >> So anyway,

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>> so we're so I think we're good for animals probably. Yeah. It's kind of like >> And I guess the fire EMS >> that's anybody say no. That's the first one though. Yeah. Okay. So that's >> Well, this is hazardous material. >> This is >> No,

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>> no, that's the third. That's the third one. >> This is community events. >> What's a community? >> Oh, yeah. >> Fundraising. >> You know, when they bring the trucks to the library, we go to look at it and >> it'll like Why does it say for hazardous?

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>> No, that's different. That's number three. >> Look at the says revolving. So maybe like trucks that truck up or at the library when they bring all >> $5,000 to take. >> No, no, no. It's kind of like it's for the for the whole year's worth of

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activities and >> what if they put a fire truck in a parade? Maybe. I don't know. >> John's right. This is like just a little bit of a taste and then as we go through the year >> and if you look at I mean if you look at this one on the balance sheet they

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brought in they brought in 2,800 they spent 2,800 so it's >> a total it's a total wash. >> So the question is do they need 5,000? >> Well >> again this is 900

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>> 2803 and spend 2803. >> I don't know but that's what it says. >> That's how they do it. You saw how those three seeds were and it's okay. >> That's for the people. >> Yep. And then we got the hazardous.

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>> Yeah. >> But that's not next, right? >> No, >> it is cuz we did conservation. >> Conservation is meeting household. >> So So we're okay with >> the 5,000 for the Okay. >> Okay. So the hazardous materials.

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>> Yeah. No, >> what is this? Is this for disposing? >> Um, it could be disposing of their hazardous materials or something. >> It's something that they pick up and then and then I have to I have some hazardous material I want them to come take. I have to pay them and

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>> they come and take hazardous material. >> It's at a fire scene. I'm thinking >> I'm thinking that's what I'm got to be about fire scenes, not not just hazardous waste >> like at a gas station maybe. I don't know. >> Right. Exactly. Okay.

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>> So again, we we can have >> So this one does not have a an entry in the balance, >> right? >> Ledger. >> Yep. >> So that's interesting. >> So So that's again one to watch. Ask the questions. >> Watch that

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>> because and and you'll see that that there's a blank in the on the balance list. >> Right. Right. >> But you know, so there was no matter >> I think the blanks are are plat. there there because the same thing was with the animal care. It's kind of like so those those two

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didn't necessarily have anything. Um >> now I understand animal care because they probably don't have 5 cents >> but $10,000 with no Y. Yeah. So that's >> that's that's a red flag everybody. >> But

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>> they're not only 125. >> Yeah. But they may not have had any fires or any need to use it. >> So I guess again that goes to the question which is what is it for? >> Right. >> What is it for? >> Yeah. So somewhere when when we look at

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the one the police are creating it talks about exactly what it's going to be for. >> Of course it does because he's great at his budget. He knows what he's doing. I think that's now we need to go back and visit all of these and make sure they >> look like the police form. Use the

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police form as an example and give it to everybody. I think so. You know, go back through each of these and and and say I mean, >> yeah, >> that'll be for next year. And again, when we go to the next one, it's not on the list and it's blank for the warrant, but I just put it here because

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cruiser fees >> the resource officer. >> Oh, that's not on the warrant, is it? >> It's not on the warrant because the warrant number is blank. So, so I I should have put an XX there also. Um,

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but there is a balance in the school resource which was brought out in the audit. >> Oh, yeah. I remember that. >> Right. So, that's where >> it's not on here because you know what else isn't on these revolving funds? Didn't they create one

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for public records? >> It's very last one, >> but that's I it's not on article 8 list. >> Um, yeah, it is on article six. on article six is number 13. >> Yeah. Okay. Why am I on article eight

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with all these >> Oh, town public records. I see it. >> Wrong. >> Wrong one. >> Wrong coffee. >> Oh my god. >> Let's just firearms licensing. That is self-explanatory. >> Yep.

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>> Public police records request. That's really >> That's kind of low. I would think that. >> But anyway, we don't care. Detail cruiser fees. >> Yep. >> Oh my god. Is this the one where the the car is there running

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the other night? >> Yeah. So different than the administrative fees, >> but this is this is the crucial >> that was the other article we discussed the other day. >> I don't understand what it's for. It's

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for the car that's running at the scene >> with the lights on. >> The lights on with the blue lights on. >> No. When they're at the side of the road and they're out there directing traffic, but the car's going. >> Well, why do we have to pay a fee for that? >> Cuz we got to get the car there. >> And the car stays there with the

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officer, >> right? >> Because it's it say it's on on 119. >> Yeah. >> You don't want just somebody with somebody's pickup on the side of the road and the officer out there. You're you're protecting the officer, >> right? cuz so they don't bring their own car. They got to bring >> all the time

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>> all the time sometimes. >> So on the resource officer >> I'm I'm just >> the one that we kind of skip we kind of skipped over that. >> We kind of skipped over there. It's not on the list and we're not approving it. >> There is a prior revolving fund with the

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balance that the audit auditor >> and so they're working to clear that >> account. So the other reference even though we see it, it's not we're not approving it because it's not on the list to >> but so so but >> but I wanted to list it because

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>> Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I get it. So what what happens >> with that money? >> Yeah, >> it's probably already been paid um to the resource officer and nobody did the transfer from the revolving fund over. We used to do a revolving fund for this for the officer but they

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>> so essentially we're okay. >> But this says okay. Okay. So, this says that that revolving fund took in $40,000 >> Mhm. >> up to this point and spent $11,000. >> Yeah. >> And now has a balance of $71,000. >> So,

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>> and and you're but you're saying that revolving fund isn't really used to pay the resource officer anymore. >> Correct. >> Yeah. So, >> so what's going to happen to that $71,000? And then how >> after the investigation by the

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accountant treasurer and my anticipation is that it will go back into the general fund. >> When does that happen? >> Well, again it's kind of like the general fund is this big and so when you take 70,000 out of it and pay a resource

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officer but you don't transfer in that you still have this much >> right >> of general fund. So you can you're basically floating the resource officer with the amount of money. >> Is that basically saying like the school paid us paid the town $40,000?

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>> It's actually it was 80 80 a year. Yeah. >> Okay. And for whatever reason that went into the revolving fund even though it shouldn't have anymore. >> Yeah. >> We believe >> we believe and that again auditor found it. >> But where does it go

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>> into the general fund? I would think it goes to the general fund after because we paid the officer out of the general fund. >> Okay. >> We don't we don't got >> I don't I didn't see any payments directly to an officer. I didn't see a payroll warrant in this. >> We could always ask the chief because he

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knows everything about the money. I bet there's another question on So, like I said, I put it here because one of our reports would >> show. No, that's that's good. So, so we need to So, we need to figure that one out. >> Yeah. >> See, this will be our mission during the

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off months, >> right? July. >> Yeah. When we meet once a month instead of every other day. >> Mhm. >> Yep. >> All right. So, now we're down to 13 records requests. Well, um, everybody's

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good with the firearms licensing and >> I think I don't think those are >> over and I'll call records again. You'll see a blank on the balance. We It would appear to me that we haven't charged anybody for records fees yet.

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>> So, this brand new, isn't it? >> It it was brand new as of last year. We approved it at town meeting last year. >> Um, >> and did we even did we >> I don't even understand what it's for. It's similar to the police records request. The amount of time we if if you

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spend 40 man hours trying to do a records request and fulfill it, that's a lot of time that comes out of the town. >> Yeah, you can talk to this >> to pay the person. It's kind of like >> they don't get paid extra.

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>> They don't get paid extra, but they we charge it and >> but it should go into the general funds. >> It would probably be the salary comes out of the general, >> right? Okay. So, >> I could never understand why they did that, >> right? Okay. So, good good question to

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go back next >> and >> and any mailing fees or any fees to buy like a thumb drive or something like that to put the information on >> is paid for by the requester. >> Right. And and that's what this was but paid directly by the

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>> Yeah, because you say bring me in a thumb drive. >> Let's be honest. or it will be part of what they pay, >> right? >> So, if it costs me $5 to get a thumb drive big enough to >> Mhm. a huge file. Yeah. >> Yeah. To put a file on, then it's like because you want a brand new one. We're

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not taking We don't take it from them. No, we we have >> Right. Because it has to clear it. You don't you know you don't want one with >> what about redacting time spent redacting the information or but I don't know how they break that out from what

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their regular dollar well >> but but again >> I suppose this >> this was a place to capture the the payments >> maybe to use it to pay guardian when they have to go through their meals and stuff like that.

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>> Okay. because that might >> right >> we might have to pay them before >> right because that would be getting into our using our >> we'll see how that goes >> right and I will >> they haven't used any of it yet

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>> y and just the to close it out >> they bring money in how they get the $5,000 >> they they don't they can spend out of >> oh but we got we had put it in to start But we did. Yeah.

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>> No, no, no, no. This is just how much you can spend. You have to deposit something. We didn't We don't deposit money. There's no balance in there. >> They have a ending balance of $5,000. I thought one of the articles. >> No, that's I think that's the spend >> ending allocation, right?

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>> Oh, >> I think this is saying they they they're allowed 500 >> $5,000 expended zero. ending balance is $5,000, >> right? I think that's saying though, they're out they're allowed to to to

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spend $5,000. >> They haven't spent any yet. >> I think there was an article to create this and we put $5,000 in. >> Give me more information. >> You could be right. >> Right, Kathy, >> because there's not a there's not an entry in the on the balance side

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is is right >> is the difference. Yeah, >> I think to the the town meeting man >> that was because that's what this sheet is supposed to show is what the balances are, >> right? This was supposed to be the balance and there was nothing on the balance

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>> and there's nothing in the balance. So >> nothing in the balance. >> So that should mean that there's nothing in the fund, >> right? So I think that's just all how much >> but but your point is still valid. We should that's something we need to check on, >> right? I did.

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>> We have to do more work on the laws, >> right? Yep. It's kind of But for now, that's that's >> good start. >> And the last last one that is not on article six

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>> um it it was on a prior version of the warrant is building inspector. So, if we look at the building inspector, they have a balance that's in that. This building inspector revolving account was for inspections done at the high school when it was being built. He did away

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with this several years ago from the list that we were renewing every year, but there's a balance of like $800 in that account. >> So, >> so why did they omit it from the article five? >> Because we don't use it anymore. >> Is there a way to recover that?

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>> I know. They should really reallocate it as they should really. >> Well, the account still open with zero bound. >> No, no, no. They Yeah, the the account is still open. It has a balance of 898, >> but he doesn't have the right to spend it. >> He doesn't have the right to spend it

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because there was a special revolving account for for the inspection for the high school >> closed out. Wasn't that one of the audit comments was to review the all the revolving accounts? They never gave it to us and it's too late now >> to see which ones are not used anymore.

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Correct. >> And with that money, >> right? Well, that's what we're doing now. >> Not really. >> I don't know if that is something else. Somebody >> Yeah, that that I think is the money that was allocated in the special town meeting articles. And >> I think that's special article.

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>> Oh, this is special. But it's always good to review this because if $800 could go >> well said at his audit >> last year and it was confirmed this year he does not re go through all the accounts. He only does the highlight big

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ones. >> He does the majority. He's he's looking Yeah. He's looking to make sure that >> big picture. So, our job really should probably be to be looking at those at some point, recommending that >> to reallocate this $829. Would we need to have a special town meeting article

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or an article at the annual? I know it's too late now, so we can't wait for this one. >> But we would probably need to have an article for that, right? >> I would think you would to reallocate >> reallocate the funds to say free cash or something like that. I mean, >> would that have to get certified by the

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state to to move to free cash if we're going to do that? >> Like, do we know these are we only revolt or are there answ the spending? >> Yeah, but if there's some old ones that

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>> I don't know. Maybe a >> wonderful question, Carol. >> Exactly. We can go back over some old town reports and and look and see. >> Um >> I think we should be looking at all of them. Look at the one for the reading room. They didn't they said there wasn't

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an account and it's got $27,000 in it. >> How many more of those are sitting out there that nobody knows anything about? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> that's true. >> I mean, >> right. >> But I mean, but so that but that's still for for this one. >> For this building, for the purpose of

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this one. Exactly. >> Is that something that we would need to ask for an article to basically close this account and transfer that money? >> I think it's probably more select board. We we can recommend it, >> you know, to the select board. >> I think we'd be better off going through

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the treasurer working with her because remember she said >> and that's why I said finance team because the treasurer, assessor and >> accountant along with TA are the finance team. So yeah, >> these are >> Yeah,

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>> these are items to bring up. >> Definitely, >> but we we added >> Melissa this year and she said she cleaned everything out, but we know that's not true because of the reading room account

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or was she just talking about grant grant? >> She might have been talking about specific >> grant. I don't know what she was talking about. So, how much money is in the um building inspector thing? >> 829. >> Okay. >> Are you putting it on? It's not on.

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>> Can you add it? >> No, no, no. We don't want it on. >> Oh, you're just talking about it. >> We're just talking about it because >> it's a >> it's it's on the reports that we got. Ah, so it's it's not it's not on the article for Tuesday,

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but because it's on the paperwork that we got from the BBA, I wanted to make sure we talked about it. >> You know, I believe with my heart and soul that it is mandatory for us to look at these reports because remember the monies that he and the accountant finds,

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>> TA finds, >> right? >> Yep. That's why I went and find a come in >> what happened with it was supposed to be last week. I never heard anything. I don't know. >> That's what we need. He might have come in and we don't know. So, can he come in

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and do >> at the beginning of April? >> We were were in this room and he said he's coming in the week the 21st. >> Yeah. >> Maybe tomorrow maybe. >> Oh, no. That's last week. Yes.

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>> So, are we good with article to >> make a motion? >> Oh my god. >> I Yes. I will I make a motion that we recommend article six. >> Replace in action. >> Okay. So, we had beautiful >> a motion to approve article six and a

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second. Any further discussion? I know we've had quite a >> quite a bit of detail going through this and understanding. Um, no other questions. All in favor say I.

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>> I. All oppose. >> No. >> Unanimous. We are recommending article six. >> Excellent. Okay. >> All right. Did I >> made that motion? >> I did. And I

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may I second it. Now we're down to article eight. What? Article eight. Article 8, the big budget. I'm >> beginning to lose focus. >> It's okay. It's getting late. I was going to say, just so you know, it's getting late, but this is it.

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>> This is my last day. I'm leaving town tomorrow. >> You're not going to be at the town meeting on >> No, I'll probably be back for that. >> What's the problem? Um so you don't have coming back. >> We don't know if he's doing that. I

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think all gone. >> No, I I don't play the lottery. >> That's not what we're doing. >> Okay. Article 8 is what? Oh, the real budget. >> Article 8 is the whole budget. >> We were told that this is the budget.

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>> Um Okay. No. >> Oh, what about the override effectiveness? Is there an update? Is there going to be an update to this article? >> Um, they on on the floor they issue the current so

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they'll the motion will include the new all of the new numbers. >> So, in other words, this article 8 >> Mhm. >> we can't recommend it because it will change because the override did not pass. It it is but the next two sheets

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that we have talk about the change for because we had already gone through >> I think >> what number is that again? >> Article 8. >> I move that the town raise and appropriate and transfer from available

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funds a sum of 228,644,000. No. >> No. Yeah, >> I'm not good with numbers. >> Yeah. Okay. >> And any other sum to defay the expenses of the town for fiscal year 2027 as detailed in the budget.

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>> And then they issue the new the new budget. >> Oh, was that on the um draft motion? >> Um >> excuse me. I have a question. >> Okay. >> The town of Broton, I believe the town of Dunville. I believe the town of Westford. I believe in all times of September

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publishing >> Mhm. >> a budget book. >> Yes. >> So, how is it that they can publish a book so that all the towns people can know what's going on and we three days

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before don't even know what the budget is. >> Well, because we we were waiting on a override. We had two He had there were two budgets prepared. >> Mhm. >> One that we approved if the override passed. >> Mhm.

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>> And then this one was in the wings if the override did not pass. >> Townsen used to do a budget book. >> We we used to do a budget book. It was based on a file that um was provided by the Collins group. >> Um and um it needed to be maintained. It

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was the picture of 5 years back. So it wasn't necessarily the current budget wasn't there because you're not set until you know in a case like ours where you have a vote on the the Monday before town or Monday a week before town

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meeting that's dependent on on the budget. So it's kind of so that's why they were there were two prepared that's kind of like >> so are we allowed as the finance committee

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Well, I guess we don't have any clue to say we want a final budget by X. >> We we can ask for it, but when the final budget depends on a on a >> override >> on an override vote, you can't have have it until you have to go.

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>> Oh, and that happened last year. >> That happened Monday. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it happened last year. Right. >> Right. It's kind of like it's happened last three years, four years. kind of on on different things. So, it it's nice to

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have it in advance. Um, but >> I think the 11 hour production, I I really when you're dealing with numbers and you're dealing with >> Well, I think that's the problem that we run into with the state screwing us on the school funding.

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>> Right. So, let's let's we have two two final fees to the fact that I hand it out. >> Are they colored? um line colors. >> Okay. So, we'll start we'll start with the short one. >> Okay. >> That's kind of like just for just for breakdown. And what I did

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>> Oh, black and we can't read. >> Um. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, I got it. >> Um, >> okay. Um, if >> general government, >> if you have trouble, let me if um the TA proposed columns a little

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>> we can go over. So what I did is I took the budget we had before >> and this budget and then I brought all the values over and I said which ones are different and which ones are the same. >> Okay. Okay. >> So sheet was that?

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>> That's the short >> the short. So we'll start with the general government total. >> Okay. Yeah. and the general government total. If we look in the compare column, it says the diff, >> which is my shortand for different.

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>> So if we look at the old one, it was 1,766,296. >> Okay. >> The old the old value was 1,762,545. >> Oh, good lord, Don. We can't read that. Then then go go to the amount column

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difference. So where it says diff, it says the difference is 3,750. >> Okay. >> So can you tell us what the number is for the TA proposed that's in white and I can write it in? >> Oh yeah, that idea. >> Well, you can you can take the number in

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that column and add the 3750. Well, just tell us what it is. Oh yeah. Okay. I'm just It's >> That was fun. >> 1 million 762 545 and there's pennies in there, but we don't.

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>> So the the middle column is what he's proposing after the after the failure of the override, right? Correct. Okay. >> What do you mean the middle? >> The one that we can't see. >> The one that you can't see. The white one that you can't see. >> That was my >> You know what? Okay. Now, let's just vote on it. If you can't see it, you don't. >> No, no, no. It's kind of like So the

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difference was 3,750. >> Now, did you take a peek at where that >> No, I did. That's this sheet. Bigger sheet. >> The bigger sheet has the detail, >> okay, >> of what three lines changed to make that

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3,750. So if we look, the tax collector of the services was reduced $250. >> Oh, I see that. Yeah. And then they added in the FSA dispersement for 250. And so that netted out. So that's no

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change, but she transferred $250 from one line to another. >> Then the 3,750 is they reduced the town council professional legal services line from 1325 to 128750.

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So that's where the 3,750 lower in general government is. >> Council went it was proposed at 128. Was that with a $50,000 increase in it? >> That that was that it was 132 with the

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50,000 and they reduced it to 128 750. So yeah. >> So they added the 50,000. >> They added the 50,000. >> We did not recommend. >> We did not recommend that. Yeah, we did not recommend that. >> We recommended that they put it in as a

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separate. >> Okay. So, that's not recommended. Is this go line item or do we do the budget off? >> No, it's you don't go you don't recommend line by line. >> I'm going to vote against it. >> So, I have a question. >> Yes. >> How much was the override?

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>> 197. Okay. So when you look at the bottom line, if we want to start there, if we look at the amount, it says 171,556, >> right? >> Okay. So that's somewhat short up there.

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If we go and look at the recap sheet, they're taking more um free cash and increasing the free cash that's going in to support the budget. 190,000. >> Um um 20,000.

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>> Well, that's that's one question I have. But the other question is if that was for public safety for the police department. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Why isn't it all coming from the police department? Why is it coming from the

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tax collector? the FSA reimbur if if okay so the tax collector is a Y if you move $200 from one line to another so that that really >> I think okay so >> and that's why you don't see expenses or

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anything else listed here >> that's just juggling it within her >> within her budget yeah >> okay >> yeah so the town council was reduced by 3750 >> but wait it was increased to 50 >> and then it would decrease

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>> because of the and we did not recommend the 50. >> Just want to say that again. >> Well, we we did recommend the >> in another in another >> in another. Yeah. >> Y >> that was ignored. That was >> why was that the reduced 3750?

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I think because if if that 3750 was left in the budget, we would have a negative uh we we would be out of balance on the budget on the recap. >> But we should have been out of budget on the other one. >> Um >> if the override passed if it was truly

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197,000 that they needed for the police >> for that for the union contract. Do >> you see what I'm saying? >> I see what you're saying. It kind of but the budget had to be the 197 was for

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that but in here they um >> so they should reduce it by >> they were going to take the pass right >> and they only reduced it by 171.

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>> They they reduced it by 171 but they there was there was all the rest of the money came from free cash. They added more free cash to make up the difference to the 197. >> So is there like no free cash left? >> Correct. That's why that's that's why the question was if what happens if we

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didn't reduce the >> Okay. >> the legal fees. >> Mhm. >> We wouldn't have a balanced budget because that $3,700 is more than the $1,800 of free cash that's left. >> Okay. So there's no more free cash left. >> There's no more free cash. So nobody can make a motion on the floor to take the

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197 police override and take say take it out of free cash. >> No, because it's going all the rest of it is going into support. >> There's no free cash. >> So was the balance before that. >> That's exactly right. >> Yeah. Basically.

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>> Yeah. Basically, basically it's not because we were propping it up with free cash. We were propping it up with 200 and some more. >> You know, this is this is bad. This is bad policy. your profit. >> Yeah. >> I agree. Free tax.

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>> And this is why we're in this position. >> And we got to stop we got to stop doing this. >> Yeah. >> We either going forward >> we we may as a town have to make the hard cuts, maybe find apartments, maybe some people

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might have to go. Maybe you're going to have to cut hours at town offices. I mean, you you might have to do it for a year or two until we can get into a real >> real a real a real budget that

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>> that sustains itself with the revenues that we get. >> Yes. >> Because we can't >> we can't keep stealing from free cash or the stabilization fund or the whatever fund because

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we we'll never get out of the hole. We just we just might have to suck it up for a couple of years and be pay and and and do the paying >> and and and then try to get us out of

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the hole. So we have real real budgets >> and with some cushion and a cushion for unknown. >> You're 100% right. But here's the thing. The the past few years there's been no economic growth in terms

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of commerce. If taxes is one thing, building you know add on whatever this >> that's one new growth is one thing but then econ there is no >> I know >> there is nobody who is trying to bring business >> new businesses

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>> or to take our assets for example we're selling our real estate instead of using it as income and craziness. We have all those leases that other people are making money on except the rest and we're giving it away for free.

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And maybe we have to relook at revisit it. But you know, some of those assets, like I said, we got to have real dollar figures on those, >> right? >> The real cost to to refurbish >> to refurbish them and come to the and make a decision. Is it are we ever going

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to be able to refurbish them or are they going to continue to decay and then we may have to make the decision we need to sell? But we don't even make try to make partnerships with people, >> you know. We do no >> we do no outreach for economic growth at

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all. We have these three guys that I told you about from that to me that that is a gold mine for town. >> Yes. How did they how did they get those people or whatever? >> They just live here and they like to ride bikes and snowmobiles. They're just >> that's their thing. And they belong to

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national clubs. >> Okay. and they belong to clubs that have grants and have all this business. And I think they're great. Wonderful. And and they should be >> recreation should be dealing with them. >> The band concert should be dealing with them.

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>> Now, that's only one tip of the iceberg. >> No, but I mean it is only one tip of the iceberg, but you know, every dollar, >> but unless we encourage economic growth, we're not going to be able to sustain it. >> Yeah. >> I mean, you can only cut so much. No, I

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don't. No, I unless you have something coming in, it doesn't matter what you cut. >> I Isn't there that thing with Margaret Scarsdale? The >> small towns. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Kim Craraven is on that and Josh Schne um

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right now it's they're trying to bring tourism. >> Tourism. >> Tourism, which would be great. >> That would be good because we have the recreational, we have the river, we have trails and all of that. Uh that's why those three guys I think are instrumental to the growth of our cup and and who knows who what they know

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they might know guys that own bike shops that you could put in trade right >> so the small town I think is doing it but slowly >> but because if with a tourist trade you could actually bring in more businesses you might get digital restaurants or you

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>> Oh that's right they just put a survey out didn't any of you get it >> no >> you didn't get >> a new one this is the small town thing. I just >> Oh, I didn't see that. >> I don't know if they've put it on the website what they do. I have to ask him because it's very good, >> but yet again, it's a study to find out

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what's happening. >> Good stuff. >> So, I mean, I I think that we have to get we have to get a good group of people together that understand economic growth, but I think that's great that they're going to go clean up the trails. >> Forget about economic growth until they start lowering some of the taxes in this

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state. was I mean that's that's another one. So we're going far a field here. >> Let's get back to Okay. So where the budget? Let's get back to >> All right. So >> So we were balancing the budget with

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free cash before and now we've increased the amount of free cash that we're using to to balance the budget. >> But we to the end of the road with the free cash. >> We are totally at the end of the rope. cash for that override was going to >> save

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>> help balance the budget. >> It was going to help balance the budget and allow us to have some free cash flow. >> So, um >> Okay. So, >> well, yeah, >> I don't know what it is. I don't know. >> It's the schools. That's what's not right.

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>> Well, I last year, >> but it's not the But it's not the school district's fault. It's the state's fault. >> No, I understand it's the state's fault, but I also think that we should be looking at getting out of the region. If the state's not going to come through, then we should look at auction. I don't

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care how much you think it costs. I think we should find out what it costs and what the process is. >> And we shouldn't be just saying what we hear on the street. We should find out what it is because 17 school districts in the state have gotten out of regional

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schools for this very same reason. Just saying it's worth looking at. >> Yeah. And and I know somebody had the the story that somebody regretted it after being out when they >> Did they talk to the actual people or is that gossip?

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>> No, no, no. I It was um it it was somebody with a connection to somebody. >> So maybe we should talk to the 17 and find out what >> Right. And are they successful or is it more costly than they expected? >> Exactly. How did that impact their tax

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base? >> But these are the kind of questions I think we should be asking, >> right? >> Going to the source. >> Okay. So, let's get back to article eight, but what do we what are we doing here? >> I I know it's being amended or whatever, right?

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>> The the motion on the floor will will present the article without the override and the the sheet we were looking at. Again, we can do it by the groups to look at or we can look at the detail sheet and guess all the lines could be changing. >> Well, I mean, we know what the bottom

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line is. >> It is what it is, right? >> We can't we're not going to change it. >> We're not going to change it now. >> We're not going to change it. So, um >> but we if if they don't if the town does not approve the budget, then what happens?

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>> You I I believe you go into a 112 situation. Yeah. I think we should I I >> where >> where you only spend one 12th of what you spent last year? >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> And last year our budget was what? >> Me I

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>> I can't I don't have a good number because I don't think I ever got a final budget after all the cuts. >> We didn't even know >> it was a fake budget last year that was passed. Wasn't that the year that the fake >> All right. They had to update it. Right. They got updated, but I never got >> We don't know.

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>> Right. >> I I >> the best the best we have we we have to build it from the BVA to say what was in each each account. >> Yeah. But we'd have to do that in July. That's the BVA. >> No, no, no. We we can the allocated

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column is how much the >> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. >> So, how is going to the 112th? >> Um, >> there's absolutely no increases for anything. No increases for anybody. And >> how bad's that? >> Well, energy costs and stuff like that.

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>> It's not an easy thing to do. >> No. And then I think you can you not >> cuz we did it last year. >> Tax bills or something. We didn't have a budget. >> Do it last year. >> It was only for two or three months, wasn't it? >> Well, that's all you do it for because you still have to have a balanced

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budget. >> You have to have the balanced budget. I think you need to balance budget in order to >> issue tax bills. >> Oh, so is it December 1st then? >> Um I think it's December 1st for for the final, but I I don't I don't know >> the school budget I think is September

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15th, right? >> Yeah. And again, I know >> because you have all your contracts with, you know, the union contracts with the increases and stuff and you have to honor those. >> You got to get behind the eightball.

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>> So, how much free cash are we getting back this year? Do we have a code? >> No, we just spent it all. >> We spent last year's free cash. You're talking about FY26. When we when we looked at the BVA at the end of March,

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we were right on the 75% consumed budget for the year, which means if we continue with that run rate, >> they'll be almost done. >> They they'll be almost done. They we haven't we haven't touched reserve

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reserve fund yet. So that could be your, you know, a little bit of money there. Um, free cash, but very little. It's kind of like you're talking less than half of >> Did we sell any properties this year? >> They're talking about selling properties. Oh. Oh, no, no, no. Last

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year. Last year. Oh, yeah. FY property on the warrant for this town. >> So, right. But that's for that's to sell next year, right? >> This year, but the revenue next year. >> Yeah. But the revenue from last year's property sales going to pay for the

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biker gear. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> And I don't 135. >> Yeah. So I don't know how much they ended up making. >> Yeah. I don't either. >> But they >> But where did it go? >> Right. Um

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they said it needed to go to a special account, not the general fund. So you can't just use it to spend on anything in your budget. You have to spend it on specific things. And that's why the bunker gear was something that >> was did anybody else get the spend just the fire department?

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>> No. >> That was a need because of capital planning. >> Capital requested that it come out of there because it's to protect the firefighters, >> right? Kind of like and was put off, wasn't it? >> It it was approved a year ago at one of the previous last years, but there was

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no money to buy it even though it was approved to be bought. So that's why I wanted it to be bought this year because it's another year older >> and I believe he said it was they have a five to six year life and I think it was

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like at the end of its life. >> Yeah. And you know we got to protect them. >> That's right. >> Yeah. No, no. Yeah. There's no there's no question in that. It kind of like >> But how much money is left in that? >> Yeah. And what can we use it for? Like

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>> Okay. So the property sales don't go to free cash. >> They they don't go to free cash. >> Okay. >> They go to a special fund. >> They they Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. That you can use. And again, we have >> So we're talking about 2027, >> right? >> That's what this budget is for. >> That's what this budget is for.

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>> And we have no free cash. >> We we will have used everything but $1,800. >> Okay. So then when we come to the end of 2027, >> the free cash is allotted. You're saying it's going to there won't be any dare effort.

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>> Probably not. >> Okay. >> It's kind It'll be small. It I It won't be the 558. I don't believe. >> So, how do we stop this community? >> Um, >> how do the people who are running the town stop the winning because we're not running the town, >> right? >> I think the town people should be told,

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>> right? they um we need to work as Carol said maybe working at departments that don't need to be open all the days and >> there's going to come a time is not going to be enough. >> Correct. It's going to like it. I my my

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opinion would be that at some point we're going to need an override, but it has to be well presented, well planned and and well spent and well spent and I >> and that so that I think >> they already took the trash money away, >> right? >> Yeah. No, it's going to get million.

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>> Now we're talking about closing the place up. I mean that and I know some people didn't vote for the police override only because they said, "Well, they took our trash money away." What's to say that I'm going to take the police money away?

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>> Well, that's valid. >> I don't think they would because it's for salaries and stuff. >> But the town doesn't understand that. >> Right. >> But that's only for the first year, right? Yeah. So, I think it's I think there's a lot of communication that that has to go with

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>> along with the budget and it can't be waiting for somebody to get started on a budget. >> I think we need to put pressure on DLS to get in here. And I think that the whole the statement by the select board that said that the

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DLS just gives recommendations, we don't have to do it was >> well reprehensible. Um, but at this point I I think >> they will it we need we need the help to to come in and say how do we how do we

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get from where we are because >> let's jump ahead a year if we don't if we have 200,000 in free cash say from FY26 and we get that in December but our

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snow and ice is over by 314. >> Mhm. way short. >> You're short 100. You're just right there. And it's kind of like that that puts the brakes on it. We're that close to not being able to run the town

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because >> right we've been >> we've been going down this path of of robbing >> either to pay Paul >> to pay Paul and year over year and it was free cash. We haven't done anything with the free cash. We haven't created

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it a free cash policy that say says maybe put some of a year into a capital stabilization. That might be um something we can do with the money um that from the from the sale of the properties is put it into a capital station. >> Great if we could do that.

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>> Exactly. So that that could be one place >> we don't have it >> right. We it wouldn't be coming from pre-cash. >> Don't we have over a million dollars in stabilization? We have 1.1 probably earned another 100,000 this year probably 1.2 1.3

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>> but today raising taxes he's right people are going to people are leaning in Massachusetts on taxes >> so if we put it if we get the override and we increase our taxes to 2 and 4%. What are we getting for services? Well,

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>> that's like chase people away or not invite them to >> or the other thing is like I keep saying, you know, there's a quite a seen population in town. There's a large seation in town who are on fixed incomes and some are, you know, some of their

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fixed incomes are are pretty low. Um, and maybe they may been able to pay off that house over the years, but you know, >> the taxes the house payment, >> but Oh, yeah. You can't live here. Oh, that that

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>> Yeah. So, so you're also up against when you're looking for an override, you're looking at a CU population that they, you know, >> they don't have money. >> They don't have the money. >> They're going to displace seniors. >> And where are they going to go? Exactly.

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You can't go any You can't go unless you want to spend over a half a million dollars for a two-bedroom house over in >> Yeah. >> condo fee and and continue. >> It's just a lucky

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rest here. >> Just say devil's advocate. Say we go broke. Just say we the time just goes broke. So, does the state come in and take over? >> Apparently DLS comes in and they will look at our st free cash and our

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stabilization and they will make us use that money. >> Yeah. >> And they will make us go on a plan. I don't know if they make you go into bankruptcy because that's federal. It's not a state. >> Um >> I don't know if they have a plan schedule. That's why I think we got to

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talk to them. I think we're we're in that crisis right now. There's no question about it. We're about at Christ. >> I think we're at I think we're at Yeah. I think we need DLS desperately to say, "Look, if you don't do this this and we

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should and we should I I know they only want to talk to one person, but I think we should all >> It's got to Yeah, >> we're the finance committee. We should not be disqualified from sitting at the table with them." No, I think that that one person was when we were trying to

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set up and do do it ourselves, not not go through. >> Yeah. No, but I think we need DLS. It's not working >> right. >> I mean, you can cut like you say, Carol and anything. >> No, I know. But that's why I'm saying at some point we may be in to the point

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where we have no money. >> So that so as a finance committee, we should know the consequences of that. Yeah. We should be educate ourselves >> through the state to find out what that means. What's it look like? >> What does it mean? And >> right,

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>> we declare bankruptcy to get out of all our contracts. >> Well, I mean, don't laugh. I mean, if that's what you can do, I mean, you might not get out of them, but at least it might be somehowated like lowered or

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>> Okay, just to get back. So for for I guess we have to recommend it >> recommend it because otherwise what it just going to be chaos if >> it's right it and again we had we had recommended the budget with the override

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this looking at looking at what the differences are between the budget that we had recommended when Karen was in the room >> and this one those those were the lines on that on that last sheet. I'll make a motion that we recommend article 8. I'll

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make a second >> based on that no override budget that was >> yes >> based on no override >> and that had a date on it of April 28 just >> April 28th okay

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>> it's the details >> Jerry second Jerry second Okay. Any I know we have lots of opinions on lots of >> I don't think there's much we can do. What are you going to say?

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>> Vote. >> Yep. If we're there and we're ready to vote. All in favor of >> I opposed. I make a motion to uh close the meeting.

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Um, I don't think it's affect because like I say, I packing up my car and leaving tomorrow. >> Please stop saying that. >> I'm going to a wedding. It's away. >> Yeah. How far away? What's this? >> Far that I can't do anything. I'm going have to That's kind of like

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>> You can be back in my Tuesday. >> Yeah, I can be back. >> Oh, okay. >> I'm going to be back Monday because they got to try to fix my heating system. you know, put it in. >> It's just it's it's working. It heats. It saved me a lot of money this year,

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>> but it does it it I have a lot of heating system and it pulses the power on the It's 8:30. >> Um >> motion on table. >> So, we did I um >> Dave. Yeah.

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>> Well, I just wanted to make sure there was there was nothing. Um, and >> I just wanted to see the board, >> right? >> Yeah, I'm already >> Okay, I I guess we had everything. And other than that, it says our next meeting is at the town meeting, May 5th.

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Does anybody think we need to schedule something for Tuesday morning? >> I can't make Tuesday morning. So, if you if you do, feel free. >> Well, I just if there was any last business that had to be, will you be there Tuesday later?

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>> Most likely. Yes. Most likely. >> Well, hey, you never know. I might get sick again. >> You never know what going to happen. >> Yeah, >> I might want to stay home and start my s. He said he's going to be there. >> Oh, you can't be there. >> I'll be there. I will be there.

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>> So, be you, me and Carol. >> I mean, if I unless something unless something happens, I will be there. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, Yeah, >> to be there. >> He doesn't have any

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of that. >> Nothing to post just in case something >> should we post for Tuesday the day of the meeting just in case we have some >> I can like what do you think we would talk

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>> would >> we do that last year now and then we we did we were fighting the budget all the way to the end. So we were fighting. >> Yeah. So we're not doing that this year. >> No. >> No. We can and I say fighting. We were

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balanced. >> This has been better than last year at least. >> Well, had they accepted our budget last year and allowed us to present it, we would it's the same thing he did this year. >> It's almost identical. I mean the numbers change because of the but it's

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exactly what we had presented. >> Yep. But he's in a position that he's an administrator. We were we're advisory >> 32%. >> What's that mean?

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>> It went up. >> Yes. Water. Oh, okay. >> That was they their energy budget >> for to power their electricity. And like >> I'm not surprised. >> Well, yeah. They get all those doctors and all that.

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>> I was going to say, >> well, I'll tell you after looking at the salaries, I don't think they they can say they were underpaid. >> Oh, did they? >> No, we don't get to approve that though, right? We we have nothing to say about >> um I thought they said they were 2% too though.

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>> I thought so for >> except for >> Wow. >> Well, you know something Brenda gave me that budget. I don't know if that's the latest budget. >> Dave 6% >> that I was going to say that's >> that may not be the budget.

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>> 0%. >> Oh, by the way, while we're on the subject of D and the water, what happens with that lawsuit if we have to pay that? Where do we pull that money out of? >> Um, to not. >> Um, >> yeah. that well that's something we

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probably at some point would want to put in a budget but we we have the insurance policy then the insurance company knows probably cover it then >> you think the insurance policy it was going to cover with the ethics >> I don't know it it's kind of like that you know that >> that's

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kind of like yeah we what are the exceptions to the policy I don't know all the ins and outs of the policies kind of and what >> they already said they're not covering it >> okay no >> okay because what So does that come right? Exactly. So

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does that come out of stabilization? >> That's the only place we have that kind of money or you have to borrow a bond >> that's gone. >> So >> I mean these are things we have to talk about. Plus I there's other lawsuits on on >> I was going to say that's what the

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select board has to we we're concerned about where the money comes from but I mean that that we're not the people right on the top. No, I know we're not the people on the town, but we're the watchd dogs for the taxpayer. >> Yeah. >> So, we say if the town doesn't pay, then let let the person who did it pay.

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>> Well, that's what my feeling is. >> But we'd have to sue them. >> But our attorney is not even including them in the lawsuit. >> Well, their attorney would, wouldn't they? >> Right. That's >> No. >> Are you sure? >> We should be asking to include them.

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>> Oh, I see what you're saying. It's a response. >> Yes. And then then they would be responsible for some reason they're protected >> people in this town. >> It's kind of like there was a motion to adjourn it. >> Who second it?

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>> I was second. So we I just wanted to >> What time did you have >> 86 26 820 8:26 >> 826 when it happened? >> Okay. Okay. >> All in favor? I

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>> all opposed.