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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: ZUTuEQDJZ0Q):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Call to Order and Agenda Overview
- 00:05:05: Hiring Freeze Exceptions and Recycle Center Operator Titles
- 00:08:04: Hiring Freeze, Warrant Articles, and Finance Committee Terms
- 00:12:08: Special Town Meeting Article for Snow and Ice Removal
- 00:14:40: Annual Town Meeting: Board and Committee Reports
- 00:19:55: Town Charter, Appointments, and Tucker Trust Fund Discussion
- 00:22:30: Community Preservation Act Funding Allocation and Discussion
- 00:30:35: CPA Pros and Cons, and Property Tax Implications
- 00:35:36: Clarifying CPA's Role and Touching the General Fund
- 00:37:26: Recommending Article Four and Examining Admin Expenses
- 00:40:13: Deferred Discussion on CPA and the Website Details
- 00:44:00: Police Detail Revolving Fund: Administrative and Cruiser Fees
- 00:51:08: Recommend New Revolving Fund For Police Detail Administration
- 00:53:56: Police Funds, List of Revolving Funds, and Salaries
- 00:57:07: Setting Town Clerk's Salary and Budget Review
- 01:00:14: Discussion of the PAS Settlement and Treatment Plant Debt
- 01:03:14: Payment to Plant Upkeep and Reviewing Potential Cons
- 01:05:28: Water Enterprise Budget and Intermunicipal Expenses
- 01:09:29: Health Enterprise Fund/Trash Fund and Sticker Fees
- 01:13:11: Solid Waste Department Funding and Enterprise Discussion
- 01:15:53: Article Twelve: Highway Lease, Police Cruisers, and Fire Gear
- 01:17:50: Sales of Properties and Capital Equipment Funding Discussion
- 01:24:48: Recommending Article Twelve, Police Bicycle Donation, and Electric Police
- 01:25:52: Periodic Assessor Evaluation and Free Cash Transfer
- 01:29:42: TCAM Funding from Comcast Fees and Cable Competition
- 01:33:54: Cable and Internet: PEG Money and Contract Considerations
- 01:35:49: Zoning Bylaw; Service of Warrant and Post Meeting Location
- 01:40:17: Location of Post Meetings and General Law Discussion
- 01:45:56: West Town Reading Room and Sale of Assets
- 01:52:10: Discussion of Reading Room, Funds, and Property Committee
- 01:58:06: Recommend Article Sixteen, Discussion of Property Details
- 02:01:18: Discussion of Specific properties and Zoning Locations
- 02:06:13: Final Vote on Table
- 02:07:18: No Financial Impact: Marijuana Cultivation, and More Research
- 02:10:19: Motion to Adjourn for the Night


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Towns and Finance Committee. >> Thank you, Tam. Uh, this is Towns and Finance Committee. We're calling the meeting to order at 6:04 p.m. Uh, could I have roll call attendance, please? >> Hopes present. Gerald Mik is present. Mayor J. Kath present.

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>> David Walker present. >> Tam Grant present. >> Don Hayes present. With that, all seven members of finance committee are present. We have a quorum. We're ready. we can continue. Um the next item on the agenda, this

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meeting is being recorded uh by TCAM. It will be available on the Townsen YouTube channel and will be played back on the Oval cable channel 8 and 9 on the podcast network. >> Is anybody else recording the meeting at

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this point? None being heard. Um, no others. Thank you. >> Appreciate it. >> And um, addition for deletions >> kind bizarre behavior.

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>> Sorry. >> Very late this afternoon, um, I did get an email from Roger at Cemetery Parks. Um, he has a request for an exemption to, um, the hire. I haven't read it. It's kind of like it's it's brand new.

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Um, since we're meeting on Thursday, I think it's best to bring it up on Thursday rather than make it an addition today >> because we're we are close. And >> I wonder why he's going to add someone else. I thought he had >> probably somehow

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>> um I I we thought they had been hired or somebody maybe maybe left. Again, I didn't read the details. It just came in. Um, so we'll I'll get that forwarded out to everybody. Um, but that was

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really it for additions. Um, we Okay. Um, Yep. Okay. Sorry, I'm just running through everything that came in. It's been a busy day with everything yesterday. Uh, so we're going to move to the work session. First item in the work

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session is the meeting minutes review. Um we have four to review April 7th, 9th, 14, and 16. >> We do. It's kind of like we It's been a couple

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I thought we were I Well, I knew we were I thought it was two. >> I've been reading them. >> Um >> if I'm mistaken, >> right? I I remember one of them. That's all. >> Which one did you find a mistake in? >> The most recent one which I thought was

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>> the most recent is going to be >> You said me that mistake. >> No, I didn't. I didn't know if I was supposed to or announce it so everybody would know. >> Right. No, the most the most recent one that just came in >> yesterday. I think it was the >> um um that is going to be reviewed on

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Thursday. >> Okay. So, the one that I got >> today uh today or yesterday. Well, tell me where the typo is that I got. >> T I C E put instead of something else. I'll have to see it. Do you have the minutes right there? >> Uh the last minutes. Oops.

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>> That was me. I just dropped it. I just >> You know what? I'll send it to you so you don't have to. >> Okay. Well, it's right here. Okay. >> You need a new >> Yeah, I think I'm missing the 14. I guess I forgot the print.

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What do we >> um >> Yeah. Again, this is only, >> you know, it's kind of like >> I guess three weeks ago. >> You sent it out though. >> Yeah, I sent them out. Yeah, I sent them

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out. >> Yeah. So, I'll make a motion to accept the minutes as presented. >> I'll second that. >> Uh which all of >> Yeah. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. >> And you second it, Sam.

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>> Second. >> Okay. Any further discussion? >> No. >> I'll send it to you, >> Karen. Okay. Right. Before I send them to the clerk. >> Right. >> Right. And again, it sounds like a lot

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with four minutes, but that's two weeks. So, >> I know I forgot about that. >> Um, okay. Okay. So, we we did have the motion and and a second to accept the minutes as um presented to us in the car. Any

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further discussion, questions? None being heard. A roll call. Yes, we don't need a roll call. We're all present. So, um in favor to accept the minutes. >> I all opposed.

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None. the unanimous and so Carol you can forward those four minutes to u posting um I did have it's sort of a placeholder now um on the agenda I had a

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hiring freeze exceptions and that's why you know it it's kind of like it said if any and it was just so late so we'll again we'll do the um the request we have >> what about Carlos >> um that's ongoing um I want to It's kind of like it she's working

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through all the all the details right now. We had we had approved the hiring of one person and we used a generic term u recycle center employee. Um and when it got to the board of the select board, they were very specific about the job

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posting title. Um really as you well as you have to be when you when you post a job. >> What was it? >> Um it it was a one versus a two, you know. re um recycle center um operator I think one and two and so they

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they were working through that and I just saw a email >> they amend it and just it um well because it it has to be posted it's kind of like so it has to be posted properly as whether it's the one or the

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two um and then once it's once it's posted it's it's there I think we do a 14-day posting period and then all um all applicants would be reviewed and then the offer made. >> So where you're saying though we have to reapprove it with the

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>> No, we we don't we don't need to. I I sent that question out if we we haven't been approving based on specific >> right uh job descriptions. Um, if we think back to recreation, we we had um

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we were trying to we were working through how many um instructors, how many how many supervisors and in the end we just said it's really >> this number of people >> this number of people >> allocate them as you need, >> right? Yep. So, um I think the same thing held

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>> um goals for them. >> Yeah, I think that I mean that's fine. That's fine by me. I have no problem approving it that way. I just didn't know. >> Yeah. It's kind of like now all the follow >> bits have to happen. Yeah. >> And I think you were you were out and it's a good time I'll present it to uh

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select when we meet with them again. Um that we actually have a form where we try to get more definition around what the requirement is. So it's more clear up front and it's more clear from the requester of what they >> what do they need what do they need. So

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it may may help when this is a perfect case that says maybe there's >> you know a little bit of process that has to be defined for >> and going forward we we need to have that discussion with the um

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board of does the hiring freeze stay on through FY27 after after the end of is it or is it end does it end at the end FY26 really all we have on um

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>> um >> and I had handed out this these are the these are the warrant articles >> they April 24th >> the annual >> April 24th on top so these were just received right >> well they were received by town clerk

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four days ago >> so many two of those different than the ones I >> different than the one. I I didn't get a copy. >> Did you get this? >> No, >> no, I I just Jack just dropped them off. So, >> Oh, Jack just dropped him off.

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>> Yeah, that's why Jack was in. So, appreciate him. >> Um I went looking for the press today, >> right? Um and I did reach out to the town administrator and he sent the

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motions. open. >> I think I think they should be they should be cleaned up a little bit from the >> All right. >> So, this is the official one. >> Yeah. >> The motions may not match it, but

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>> Okay. >> Well, we did just get the motor mail to it. >> When does the new one become >> today? Today I first meeting 7:30. >> Well, I was just going through to see

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when my term expires and like 52. So, we're on a different schedule than they are. >> Correct. We we expire. You're we expire at the end of town meeting in the year. >> We're through town meeting >> and at the end of town meeting we're

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>> when they hit the gavvel that's when it officially goes. >> Well, I I think I expired then too. You you you will expire this year. Jura expires this year. Sam is next year. Next year. >> You will. >> I am. >> You better expire this next year.

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>> No, I think you're contract. >> I believe you're next. >> I think it's next year. I haven't >> We have to go through. >> Um >> so I mean I think but when I joined I had to get nominated by somebody, right? Bar.

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>> Well, he had to I thought he had to approve it. >> He had to appoint you. >> Yeah. A form. >> You have to go through that again. >> Yes. >> You had to fill out the volunte and ask for reappoint.

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>> Yes. Y >> get you a phone. I mean I can go to Harrison the office in national online employment how do I section on the website I was

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lucky to find the finance committee >> I was lucky to find the website >> I my phone already has town whatever it is townmov that's it >> long as they don't change

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Uh they changed it before. So >> So is there going to be a um special town meeting within >> There is my understanding what I read is that there's one article in the special town meeting. >> There's one article in it. Do we know what it is?

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>> Um it is the snow and ice article. >> Oh to transfer >> to transfer cash. >> There'll be a special town meeting. >> There'll be a special we we open the annual town meeting. >> Yeah. and immediately um suspend and go into a special town meeting.

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>> Will we handle the special town meeting >> correct >> articles? Um at least that's been the procedure in the past transferred to snowmen. Yeah. So, we don't know um we don't know the amount.

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Yeah. I will I the last amount we were given and what in the recap sorry >> um is the 305,000. So, if we look at the when we get to the recap sheet, we can take a look at that >> or whatever it is. It's got to be >> it. It's kind of like

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>> Well, the good news is it hasn't changed since we haven't got snow since the last time. >> It's going to change because I put my snow globe on. Oh, thanks. >> Mother's Day storm at 77.

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>> Exactly. I was working at Burbank Custom and people couldn't get it up the hill. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. So, where are we? >> So, do we um >> go through the We're going to go through the Okay, we're already done special

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town meeting. >> I I think we are. Well, if we're going to um talk about and make a recommendation, do we want to go through and make a make the finance committee recommendation to approve? >> Well, for the snow and ice,

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>> it's it's a budget deficit and we have we have money. >> So, I'll make a motion that we approve that we recommend approval of the special town meeting article to to pay the snow and ice >> out of free cash. >> Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Oh, out of

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free cash. >> Yeah, that's that's what's defined in the recap system with that. >> Okay, second. >> A second. Any further discussion on snow and ice? >> Everything.

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>> No other questions then. All in favor of recommending the article to transfer the snow and ice. >> I all opposed. >> I'd be encouraged. It's unanimous. We want to pay for our snow and ice. Keep

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getting >> clear. Clear my own driveway. I don't have to clear the roller. >> Yeah. And we Yeah. I have to take their stuff and put it somewhere. >> Yep. yard

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and now doing that >> we can do yeah I was going to say just like town meeting we went from >> yeah now we can go back >> um article one is just reports for boards and committees there's no financial

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>> actually if if a board or committee wants to make a presentation or a report to town meeting this is the opportunity too. >> Oh, we should make a statement then. >> Yeah, we're going to do that. I'm going to do that. But I'm going to write this down. I'm going to type it

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>> statement. >> Well, what it is? Cuz I don't think people know what what they're voting. I really really really don't think they know. >> I didn't know. And I >> Well, that's

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Did you know that that's what it was? I didn't know that you could get up. >> Yeah, I did. So the school committee will get up and do a presentation. That's what this is. >> So any committee >> any committee y >> and they they will ask on the floor does

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does any committee have after they make the motion to um for the article. >> They'll ask if there's any reports. Uh similar if we go back to last year the board of health did their presentation at this point. >> They did. Yeah. Right. Is this what we

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would say if we agreed or disagreed about the about the um conversations between select board and planning? Not planning board, select board and uh finance. This is where we would if we had

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>> Oh, you mean like give a report? >> Yeah. >> Give a little synopsis of how we were treated. >> I I I'm not I'm not sure that's necessarily the appropriate place. I mean, that's more agreements that are report. >> Well, um,

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>> that's a Are you going for the part that we don't get the I see what you're saying here? >> Yes. >> No, I 100% agree with you, Jerry. I think it should be brought up, but >> let's let's consider recommendations. Let's >> Okay,

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>> we can if we presented it, we recommend going forward to be better, >> the following steps be taken. And we want the town to hear it from us as well as the select. >> Sounds good. >> Yeah. Depending on how you put the spin on it. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think more the town than

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selected. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, the select board need to hear it too since they're the ones. >> But we talking to them for like two years. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure I I'm just starting that sharing again.

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>> Let me see if I can find you. >> Mine is intention. >> Well, it comes my way. Well, my my system ought to be beefed up now since >> your immune system >> been laying low for two weeks. >> Okay.

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>> I just wanted to hear >> if we have the online so people can follow along. >> Is somebody watching? >> Sorry, it's kind of >> not right now, but this is okay. So, this is the Sorry, we back. This is

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article one in the special um >> No, that's what he has up on the board. >> No, I clicked on the wrong >> on the monitor. >> Just so you can see on >> Y. Sorry, I was just going back and meeting.

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>> Okay, so we're two now. >> Voted on article one. >> All in favor of recommending article one. All opposed. Unanimous. Article one is recommended. Article two, the appointments. >> Um, >> doesn't seem like this is something we

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need to recommend or not. >> Not anywhere near >> you. All right. >> But it's not changing anything. It's just saying >> no recommendation. >> All the boards that >> they need to be appointed are appointed. Correct. It's kind of like so based on the town charter, we just follow in the

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town charter and select. Okay. So we don't have any input for this. >> We have we don't there'll be no recommendation from >> finance committee. >> Next article three. >> Next article three to see if the town will vote to elect three members of the

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James James H. Tucker trust fund committee consisting of three members from west towns and village elected by annual town meeting for staggered terms to oversee and administer the innovation trust fund. So what is the James H

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Tucker? >> Is that the library we were talking about? Um Kathy had information on that. >> That was um it's the towns and um burial ground whatever it's called. >> Riverside Riverside from what what do they do?

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>> This is money in this fund. >> It goes like what it is. >> No, I think it's anything um like I know they did an expansion on it. Oh yeah, >> I believe that's what it's for. Um they did an expansion

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>> um a couple years back and they probably used some of the money out of there. >> Is Roger watching this? >> I don't see anybody. >> Is there something that we need to make a recommendation on? >> Um >> I mean there's there's there I guess it

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it does affect funds indirectly, but it doesn't seem like there's a direct >> it's it's not direct. It's not direct for the general fund. Um this this is a special trust fund that's in there. >> So so yeah this there's a trust funded

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by the treasury and this these people would be in in fact dispersing those funds. >> So not a general fund. >> All right let's see. Yes. is this is our first year of um

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collecting the uh community preservation search charge on our taxes. And so at this annual town meeting, we're talking about using the FY27

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funds and dispersing them and creating pretty much these five funds and depositing based on the percentages that are defined in the CPA um and the estimated revenues. >> Does the CPA allow them to spend that

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much on administrative expenses? No, I'm just going to use took the words right out of my mouth. >> 5% of the total revenue. >> How do we know what the revenue is? >> Well, they said that they they're really going to collect $105,000 for one year.

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>> Well, that that 105 is added to the 16, the 16, the 16. So, there's 48 there. At 105, you're at 153. And,000 you're about 161,000. >> Now, isn't that is a given what they collecting from the CPA? That's what they're expecting from the CPA and FY27.

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>> Oh, yeah. Because they get some money from the state. >> They then they'll have matching funds from the state. >> I don't think they get one for one, is it? I heard it was a lot less than what's the budgeted reserve.

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>> Who gets to use that? Um well um the community it and these going to be the questions and and to point is um the community preservation act is passed um

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from the state has these buckets of where where to place the money and who does them. They had the list of people that are that have been appointed to the community preservation commission. >> They're doing I'm sorry in just as an

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aside they're doing on Thursday at 6:00 a meeting and a presentation about >> we can't go to that because we'll be here >> correct unless unless we decide to change something. >> So >> or send just a representative to u to hear presentation. So that's a little

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aside. So this money is allocated the way the way they thought they would get it um from the state. The and >> they don't know how much money they get. >> They they don't they don't know. These are estimates. >> So >> and conservative estimates based on um

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>> you should have real money numbers. >> Well, you don't know what you're going to get next year and how many abatements there's going to be to it. So they did a conservative I think they dropped it 20% um on the abatements >> that 8,000 seems excessively I think

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it's >> why they put it >> that's like 50 well that's not 50 >> what they need for >> yeah 50% of each of the >> buckets theoretically by those numbers it's 162 for 30

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>> so why do they put the rest of them in the budget reserve what >> that's that's you're that would be for a big open space project. So the one that um so that's an unallocated but when after the committee presents at the end

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of that annual town meeting next year um that we will be presented with a series of warrant articles to use this money to support projects. >> So in fact it doesn't go one/3 oneird to each of these buckets. It no it goes it

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it goes um that that looks like five five or 10%. >> 5 10% that's 10%. Sorry the easy easy numbers. >> So in other words just saying as an example so for the next two years we do the same thing 16616

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105. So now we got 210 in the >> in the big one. Now let's just say one of the >> people who are eligible to receive the money. >> Do they get the whole thing? >> No. >> Yeah.

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>> Well, do they know the answer to that? >> I think on the budgeted reserve the answer is yes. >> On the >> I think that's very important. >> So if they have a big project they >> if they have a big project the example that that Karen gave us was the money in Carile. It stayed in the pool. Stayed in

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the pool and then they wanted to buy a partial land so it didn't get developed with 40b housing. So they took three million out of their uh budgeted reserve and bought the property so it made and made it over. >> So what I did Okay, I get that. I get

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that. But what about not giving the money >> to projects that need it because they're saving up for somebody else's project? It just seems like there's room for agenda here. There is, but they they try to put it in

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there with with the diversified meeting. It has to go to town meeting on a warrant article to be approved. The town has the final say on where the money is spent. So, it's not the CPA saying where it's spent. The CPA is going to put together warrant articles, the CPA committee.

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>> But don't they choose an award? >> No, they choose >> what goes. They go, they choose what goes. >> That's fine. They choose what goes to town meeting >> and the town meeting gets the opportunity to approve it or turn it down. If you vote no on the warrant

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article, you can't spend that money. >> So, will the CP CPA be the only ones who know who the candidates are? >> I think it will be relatively open and >> transparent. I I would think so, but like I would

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>> I bet you'd have to request, >> right? go to the meetings. So this 105,000 is this just an estimate or is this something that they think they're >> they think they think this is what they're going to get based on

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>> the state is this like the state thing >> if this this I don't know if this includes the state money but um I think it includes only all the the >> we should find that out. Well, only be I'm just thinking I mean like I pay my

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CPA tax is like I don't know 70 bucks if he collecting >> or less even if you say $50. >> Okay, let's let's just do it do it on the big numbers. >> Okay, we get 21 million from real estate tax

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roughly and 1% of that is going to be your CPA >> 210,000. >> Right. >> Oh, okay. Okay. All right. >> Again, rough numbers. I'm not saying anything exact. >> No, you're right. Okay, go ahead. >> Kind of like so the 210 and now we've

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subtracted out 20% for for abatement. >> This is a >> this is an estimate of based based on those. Okay, that I guess that's an easy way to >> this article is just saying we're going to establish

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>> these reserve categories >> for this money that's coming >> money for the CPA. >> This is none of this is about spending any of it. It's just this is where we're going to >> get it. This again that's we we voted the CPA.

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The 1% is coming on real estate bills and >> well there's lot people too >> and that's why I say 20%. So, we talked about the 210,000 and then they took 20% out. So, >> that's how they arrived. >> That's how they arrived it. >> But you can't just opt out. You have to

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have a >> a reasoned >> Yeah. >> You can't just say I don't want to pay it, which is what I would do if I could, but me too. >> I would I would too, but I don't know. I >> Well, first of all, I'm not pay for this anyway, so I should probably not say

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>> No, no, no. But to your point of what you you mentioned is is there there's a pro and a con maybe >> yes there's a pro and con. That's very good. Okay. What are the pros?

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>> Um again the pros of of collecting this money saving it is the opportunity to apply it. One of one of the items that they mentioned was this is an historic building. So CPA funds when there's enough can be

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used and approved at a town meeting to do some work in here instead of coming from the budget >> to apply to projects instead of coming to the budget. >> Instead of coming to the budget or or borrowing. Yeah. >> Okay. So what would be the cons? >> Um 1%.

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>> Yeah. In general. >> Well, it's kind of like the 1% is voted. So we we're you know that that is is is ongoing. But um >> you're right. Just the CPA tax in general. >> Okay. So I get it. Yeah. It's kind of

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like we can't do any we can't back out of the with this article. So this Yeah. This is reserving >> instead of money has already been taken in under that whatever it is. >> Right. Is we take money in this? We didn't take money in this fiscal year,

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did we? Yes, we did. >> Did you see it on your property tax? >> It was on the last tax bills. So, the one you need, if you haven't paid this order yet, and I'll make the announcement, >> tax bills are due this week. >> I think my wife schedules that to have

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an automatic >> that money from tax bill. >> I don't really read it. I just collect >> part of this >> is will likely be part of this. Yeah, >> because there'll be a bit of money already already in there. And again, that was retroactive. So your total

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amount for the year instead of being divided across four tax bills was only divided across two. So that's >> two well two two bills by four quarters worth. So So it was you know >> So you're saying that the two bills for

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this year that we're paying and we just paid are going to were higher than they would be next year because next this year it's 1% spread across two rather than 1% spread across four. >> Correct. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, because we didn't have the tax rate set and it may I don't know if it has to

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wait every year for the final tax rate to be set in December. >> Um, and so this may be >> Oh, it may always work that way. >> It may always work that way. I'd have to talk to the assessor to But I'm just, you know, >> but as your taxes increase, so does your CPA

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go. So the the pro would be the opportunity to apply >> basically instead of taking it from the budget >> for some projects. For other projects it's the opportunity to preserve open spaces. I mean all all the pieces and

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the benefits um that that they talked about the historic br um reservation community housing reserve and this kind of so there are >> I just get real nervous about these things. So >> they tell you one thing and then

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>> but whatever is in the historic resources reserve would stay there. >> Mhm. >> Special project can't strip that out of there. >> So >> I don't believe so because the the state has the recommendations of how much money in each each of the project areas.

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Okay. Each of the sections of the C. So they are taking 10% of they and dividing in three different directions for on hold for that particular position. >> Mhm. >> Um and then they're putting the rest of it in the reserve. Let's let's 5% which

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is going for admin. Yep. So 30 35. So 5% for admin. >> Five for admin. What does admin >> expenses? >> Yeah. Know what does that mean? >> Um >> pencils computer software training. or maybe um labor that's required to fill

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in forms and things like that. They might be taking this money and applying for grants. I don't know. Kind of like um >> but that's that's the maximum amount. If you don't use it all, maybe you can adjust it. >> So, who do you charge that?

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>> I guess the CPA fund >> the the CPA team. There there is a committee that >> James Royan Maria Milikin >> Bill Ry out >> Bill Ry out. No, no, no, no, no. Bill R, I don't think is on it. >> Oh, okay. I thought he was

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>> No, I think he wanted to be but he had conflict venture saying >> Oh, no. I know. Sand Lord's on it. >> Well, that's the end of that one. We go back. >> All right. So, I guess Yeah, sorry. This Yeah, I was going to say any other

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questions about it that I mean this is the first time that we're seeing it's the first time the town's going to see CPA. So, there may be a lot of questions that actually get raised on the floor, >> but let's hope >> and if anybody's listening. Okay. So,

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um and again, this this is not money that really touches the general fund. This is money that's collected on the tax bill and put into >> But it would have been because some of these some of this money will offset the budget, right? >> It it could if the projects approved. >> It depends on what not this year it

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won't, >> right? >> For 2027. >> For 2027 28. >> No, for fiscal 27 it won't because these are not on the recap. >> Oh. So would it go on the recap sheet next year? >> Probably not because it's not part of

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the general budget. It's kind of like this is this like its own separate. >> It's like a savings account or a CD that you have. >> Like if they if if they decide next year to say use let's say by the end of this year they've got

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200,000 in the budgeted reserve and and they come up with 200,000 worth worth of work that has to get done on the town hall. >> They could propose to say we're going to spend 200,000 on the historic town hall building. >> Mhm. And then that next year's budget

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would not require that 200,000 in the repair >> from capital planning >> from capital planning or whatever for the town hall. >> Right? >> So it would indirectly impact the budget in that okay I I as the building manager would not be making the request saying

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hey I need 200 grand in my budget to do repairs. he would be making that request to the CPA people to say I have it to start building. >> But it's not but that's not something >> that we can count on and plan for in the >> recap. Yeah. That that's what's odd and

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and it's Yeah. Okay. >> I think it's it it was meant to be that way so that you don't try to steal it for use it for other purposes that it may not be in >> like paying the policeman. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The fire bunker or whatever that is. >> The bunker gear. >> Yeah.

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I think I think that's I think they're getting it. >> You do? >> Really, Carol? >> That idea. You just >> Oh, I I've been bleeding to get that gear page.

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>> I mean, that's the one thing I'm like, they've been waiting for a couple years and it's getting at the end of its life and >> I just I hope I hope they get it. >> All right. So, have we decided, are we making a recommendation on article 4 or not? Um, >> yeah, we're going to

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>> Okay. Do we do we have a motion to recommend article four? >> Nobody make a motion. >> I'll make a motion. >> I guess. >> And what is it? >> What's it going to be? >> I don't know. >> Recommend four.

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>> That's Yeah, recommend out of four. What else can we say about >> We can take no action. >> That's fine with me. I I'm good with no action. >> You meant to take no action. Well, Kathy, you think >> Okay. Yeah. >> Being cowardly. >> Yeah. I don't

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>> Well, all all it's actually doing is >> estab action and it gets approve. I mean, we're not going to change those categories. >> We're not recommending any changes because these are >> news flash. We don't change anything. >> Well, no, I know.

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>> I don't even a good distance until I find it here. What is it called inv conservation preservation community? Okay. Capital commission conservation committee.

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>> It's under the mass.gov. If you go back >> I think he's looking for the council. >> Oh, the committee community. >> I can't find any committee for this thing. >> I'll second the motion. >> You'll second. Yeah. >> Well, I did. >> I did. Did you?

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>> Yeah. Hey, you Carol made an approve a motion to approve article four >> to recommend >> recommending article four and it was seconded by Kathy. >> Can we have a little mini just quick discussion? >> That's the next Yep. >> on other expenses in fiscal 2027.

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>> Here we go again. Where are you? >> I'm in the first paragraph line four >> to recommend the community preservation for committee administrative expenses. Okay, that's the 8,000. >> Yep. >> Community preservation projects. I'm assuming that's the reserves

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>> and other expenses in fiscal 2027 >> with each item to be considered a separate appropriation. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, so that might actually have needed four articles.

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>> Yeah. So, >> not combined because if you want to vote down any one of these lines, >> right? There's no line. >> You know what? I need to go on the website because it's been a while since I looked at the Community Preservation

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Act and I know it's very specific what you can use the money for, >> right? and specific categories. And I don't know if it's got the this other other expenses category listed in there.

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>> Maybe I should tell you what it is. >> So maybe maybe we shouldn't be so quick to recommend >> to so quick to recommend since I I know I've read it before because I was always against it. So, I was trying to figure

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out how to repeal it, but that's just me. But I know there's very specific >> categories >> categories and very specific how you can spend the money. >> Mhm. >> And the way this reads, I'm not sure we

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should >> it may not be >> it might not be written >> properly >> properly in accordance with the mass state. >> Okay. I mean, I could be wrong, but I I would be more comfortable if I could revisit what it says on the state web.

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>> I think we the state. >> Well, let me let me ask this. Let me ask this. Yeah. Do you have time to do that before Thursday? >> Exactly. >> So, so maybe we should defer discussion of article 4 to Thursday. >> Yeah, I'll just >> so that you have a time to to research

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it. I'll see if I could find it and if I could figure out how to get it off the machine and send it out to you. >> Um >> because I I know it's not >> You send us just the link. >> Oh, the link. Yeah. >> So So why don't we So maybe do we need

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to vote on deferring this one or we can just we just say we'll defer this to >> take no action. Yeah, >> take no action and defer it until Thursday. Go ahead. >> Yeah, I I know it wasn't hard to the last time I looked, it wasn't all that

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hard to find. So So we'll come back to this. >> Yeah. So I should be able to find it tomorrow on Sunday the link and you can we can all read it. >> Yeah. Okay. So while we're here and we got a question, I went into the town website and I found

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community preservation committee and it talks about the makeup. Um, one member from Townsson Conservation Commission, one member from >> I just typed in in the search. I typed in >> Oh, that's I don't have anything.

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>> One member from Towns and Historic District Commission, one member of the Towns and Planning Board that designated by that board. one member of the Townsville Cemetery and Parks Commission, one member at Townsson's Housing Authority, and the last is two

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members appointed at large by the Town Select Board. And the list, >> that's not what we want to start. Well, the list of the people right now, Robert Theion, Maria Milikin, Kimo, Lance Manali, Sandra Wood, Irene Bond, and

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Robert juice. Thank you. >> That's that's our committee. They and they have four that expire in June of next year. One in 2028 and two two in

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29. >> So, Sorry, it's kind of like that was a little >> right. So, we'll do Thursday this >> revolving fund article.

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>> Um, let's see. >> Amen. Chapter 104's general bylaw. >> Yeah. by amending section 1. Authorized revolving fund adding the following involving fund.

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>> Oh, they want to just add this police to right. >> Well, this is so when I want a police detail for my little project, I I pay them. It goes into this fund instead of into the general thing and then they pay for the >> the detail out of the >> This one is strictly the administrator.

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when we get to the full list of them, but yeah, this this would be a new one um for $10,000 for the police department for the administrative fees associated with it. >> Oh, cool. >> So, the the $10,000 goes towards that.

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>> Well, this what they expect is not to spend more than $10,000 in >> on detail >> on detail. Not administrative cost of the detail. >> Administrative cost of the detail. And they're not so they will collect they will put in their fees for details. They

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will put the detail fee and then they'll have administrative detail fee >> and only the detail fee comes out of this revolving fund. >> Administrative administration, >> right? The other the other one the other ones stay within the existing revolving flow.

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Is there resisting the detailed cruiser fee? Is that >> Well, I'm going to scroll down. Article six is the full list of these. >> Yeah. >> So, we have detailed cruiser fees, which was relatively new. >> Police records request. >> Um,

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>> cruiser fees. Well, detail cruiser, you you have to pay to make fruing to >> a set. A guy in the set. You you have the option if it's just a detail and somebody shows up in their pickup truck. It's kind of like you pay

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for the officer. >> Oh, the officer can come in his own car, but they still have to pay for him. >> Correct. >> Oh. Oh, did you know that? >> I've seen I've seen a great pickup truck and they said the police best on like

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>> Really? >> Yeah. At least it seemed that way to me. Okay. >> You know, I think I've seen them. >> You don't see a cruiser, but you see a F, >> right? >> Policeman is the detail

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>> person and the cruiser is a detail cruiser. >> Correct. >> So, you got 10,000 for the men or women, the people, and we have six for the cars. >> No, the 10,000 for the administration, >> right?

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>> Yeah. away in your own vehicle rather than take a cruise, >> right? >> But why are they paying for the crew for the for you? >> Yeah, >> the vehicle has no >> Maybe it's got body.

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>> It's got wear and tear. >> Got the body >> and it's got it's got all all of the things. So, if you if you're tying up one of your $97,000 lease vehicles at at a detail site, there's a cost

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associated with that vehicle being out of service for the town. >> Let me >> And that's what this would go. This doesn't go to me driving my car. >> No, no, no. Okay. So detail cruiser fee is for the for when there's a detail and

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the and >> when they're directing traffic and they have the cruiser on this side and the blue lights go. >> Why are we spending money on that? We should >> we we are not spending money on that. This this is a revolving fund. We we the these are spending limits. So they

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will collect money and the fees for that go into this revolving fund. This says they don't expect to spend more than $10,000 in that fund of outgoing money. So they don't expect more than 10,000 in. >> What are they spending the money on?

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>> Okay. So >> I used to hire police details >> and you know you have to pay them whatever we used to have to give. So when I used to pay the the minimum was four hours and back right say 55

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whatever take 50 bucks for four hours. So so you pay $200 for a police detail no matter if you use them for an hour. >> Yeah. >> So is that money going in does all that money go to the court or does some of that money go into this revolving

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>> some of the money would probably have to go into these funds. >> These funds. Okay. >> Yeah. So there'd probably be a detailed invoice where they list >> well they break it all down. >> They break it down and you know how much is going >> but then what so when you go back to the

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administrator so I'm assuming that's like a person the person that schedu >> it takes a long time because you have to go down a list. Yeah, I know there's a rotation and Yeah, we think

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>> Yeah, because you can't >> that's what the administrative fee >> the administrative fee but >> I don't understand the detailed cruiser fee, >> right? >> I don't understand. >> Okay. If if the officer goes out and has the cruiser with him for 2 hours, that's

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2 hours that your cruiser is not available for town e. So that's and it's running usually running and so there's wear and tear on it. There's going to be maintenance associated with it that's going to be more frequent because you're using it.

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>> For example, the election yesterday, >> we had a policeman here because we needed detail because it got rid of the constable. >> We really only needed the man or woman or whoever it was. >> Did we pay for the car too? >> I don't believe so. I believe

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>> I would not. I would say not in that case because the car is not on the side of the road and running, >> right? >> But this isn't money coming in. This is money going out. >> No, it's money coming in and out. >> It starts with money coming in. >> No, I understand that. >> Okay.

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>> Money comes in, but what do they spend it on going out? >> Okay. It says administering police if we're going on article five administering police details including and but not limited to personnel time

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payroll processing software and related expenses. >> So where are revolving funds? >> So if we get a copy of the revolving fund, >> right? But that that's the administrative fee. >> That's the administrative fee. >> Okay. I don't have a problem with that. >> Okay. So, so let's focus on that one

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then for now. >> I don't have a problem with that. >> It's the cruiser fees I have. >> Oh, okay. So, all right. So, we're going to recommend I make a motion that we recommend I don't even know what it is. $10,000 for the new new revolving fund for the

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police detail administration. >> We have to get that detailed or we just say we recommend approval of article five. >> Oh, okay. I recommend article five. Well, I I'll ask you that question. >> It it does I don't think it needs to be

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any any more detailed than that >> because every everything else >> Okay. So, let me What are the pros of this? >> The pros of it. Well, somebody has to have been I mean somebody has to do the scheduling of the police details

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>> and it and it and it and it takes money out of the the the standard budgets. >> So it it does not require money in the police budget that to to fulfill this up to that amount.

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>> This is extra duties on top of the the the duties. Are these duties that are fees paid by outside person using said duties to the police department? And then >> yes, >> so this is basically nothing to do with the budget. It has everything to do with

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what are we taking in and it's going to take care of these items and this is establishing it. This is this is the estimate. >> No, we're not talking about that. >> All right. So can I say that sorry the pros this does not require money in the

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budget. It comes from private >> it it comes from the the detail private detail payments. >> Yeah. >> And so the cons of it would be >> that >> the money would have to come out of the budget for the administrative fees for this private.

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>> So so they it's sort of if if we do this it it stays within the police department. They they monitor the hours. They it sounds like they're purchasing software to track the detail hours and putting it in and scheduling it because it also has to do the payroll and create payroll from it. So there there's time

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spent with it. So um this would be paying the the person doing those tasks um and not not needing to come. So the auction is the revenue from the details comes into the general fund and then >> has to go back

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>> has to go back out to the same people >> for that purpose >> for that purpose because they did that coingled and they're not paying for >> right so this this you know so I I guess a pro gets you into it's not mingled in the general fund and you can

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differentiate where >> um >> okay >> where pays are coming from >> general Okay. So, now we're going to go down everybody's >> Okay. So, we had >> No, we have to vote on this. >> I'm sorry.

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>> I'll second it. >> Okay. So, we had a motion to approve article five and a second. Any further questions? None being heard. Voice. All in favor? >> All oppose.

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Unanimous. Okay. Article six, the fold. Now we have two two sets of chiefs in front of us. They do revolving funds because we asked for that. >> Oh, good. Good. Do we want to revisit

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article six going through the others because this is 13 lines of lots of questions like that >> and opposed to one >> and well move on to do the other you know >> back to this one do the quick ones

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>> I don't know if they're I think they're more one article at a time this looks like trying to >> yeah 13 >> 13 before the final >> okay that's Five. >> Right. Who wants this one? >> Article seven. The C will vote to fix

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the salaries and compensations of all elected elected officers provided by master law section 41 section 108 as amended. >> Yep. >> As appropriated in this warrant or take any other action to

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>> Okay. To set the town clerk's fee at 71,000. >> Yep. Yep. So, um No, I guess the question is did that matter? >> What do you mean all elected offices? >> Well, this could be years ago the tax collector was

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okay. >> All right. I would recommend somebody else. >> Um I just want >> the only thing I don't like about the article is that they're putting the salary in there. So if there's a change

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in the budget >> Mhm. >> he's locked in on that. >> He's locked in on that, >> right? I remember correctly. It's still down from last year anyways. >> Oh yeah. >> And especially the year before. >> So

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>> that was only happening. >> I think years ago they used to put the amount in there. >> So yeah, it's just something to be aware of that this >> this can happen. >> Yeah. And if somebody gets up and says, "I want to cut the town clerk salary in half." No,

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he can't because it's already >> Yeah. >> It's probably a good one. >> So, do you want me to make a motion? >> Um, I just go into the budget just to make sure the number matches what's in the budget that we saw. >> Sorry, I just

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That is good idea. So you would say that the pros are it preserves the salary for the in this case town. >> Yeah. >> And the con would be >> you stuck at that salary. >> Yeah, >> he is. But that's not a pound thing,

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right? Well, see it. >> Oh, the position. >> I was going to say >> the position. The position. >> It's the position. It's kind of like >> this is only for one year though, isn't it? >> This is one year setting the salary. It's kind of like

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>> um and that's what it's showing in the um budget that was forwarded that says police no override. it kind of like so when the override would fail, it's still it it was the same in the prior budget um that we looked at if the police

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override did pass because as he explained to us, most of all the rest of it stays the same. It's just really police budget that changes if the override didn't. >> Okay. So, it's the same in both budgets. >> It's the same in both budgets. >> Yes. So, so they put it in Why they

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Well, >> because they have to, right? Oh, >> I think they have to they have to pick the salary. >> It's elected officer, >> right? >> Right. >> It looks like by the Massachusetts law, >> it has to be appropriate by a by a

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warrant. >> Yeah. This is this is a housekeeping article. >> Housekeeping article to to say that the the >> salary matches what's in the budget. And again I can you know >> so you you did somebody

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>> I I can I can't speak a motion to uh recommend article seven. >> Second we got a motion

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>> to to recommend article 7 and a second. Any further questions or discussion? have it all covered. All in favor of recommending article 7. >> All opposed? We recommend it

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unanimously. >> Article E. The actual budget skip. >> I'm not skipping, but I know what you mean. >> No, no, no. It's kind of like again, you know, >> it's like fun.

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>> Yeah. Because if you can get all this out of the way out of the way, >> right? >> But these numbers all match. >> Um, >> this >> I will have to go back because I believe we got a budget deceptive too. >> So with the with the failure of the of the >> Well, he given us one last week with the

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failure. >> Okay. >> And I think he just resent the same thing, but I wanted double check it. >> It's kind of like so in I don't check my email that way. No, I didn't. I I did check. I didn't get it.

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>> Are you still having problems getting >> I I sent his email and maybe he didn't get my email, but I I for some reason >> I got it at 3:43 p.m. >> Okay.

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>> So, article 9, this didn't change, right? Article 9. I think we should skip we'll go back again. Similar to >> get the little ones out. >> Okay. >> Receives accountable to appropriate PAS settlement monies. That came in from a

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lawsuit. Right. >> Mhm. >> Right. received in calendar 2025 64 33241 and allocate these funds to the PASS maintenance fund >> to be used to pay off treatment and plant debt. Treatment plant debt.

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>> Yeah. >> Treatment media replacement. You want to give us a little uh what does that mean? >> Okay. The Have you been to the treatment plant? >> Yes. Did you did you go into the big area where they big propane tanks that

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go from four to 40 ft high? No. Okay. So, those those are the media. Those those are still >> It's not like they're not going to have music or no. >> Yeah. It's a it's a term for

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>> it's a term. >> It's a Yeah. term for filters and and things replacement maintenance of the treat. You know that's going to come up on me. I got to say media. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> That's what I mean. This is the kind of thing that we should be ready to educate

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the tax. >> Yeah. It's again it's kind of like >> those are the filters. >> Yeah. >> This is money that came in last year and we're going to allocate it this year, >> right? >> And I assume that this is this was done last year the same way with whatever

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funds we're receiving in 24 were allocated to this purpose. I don't think that happened. >> Yeah, I don't know if that was a one time. >> I don't think we had the settlement last year. >> Okay. >> This was >> um >> Yeah, it's a one time deal, right? >> This was a one time thing.

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>> Well, is there a lot of different >> there there's multiple suits out there? I don't know. I don't think they're all settled. >> No, I don't either because each each of the companies that produce the PAS materials is being sued separately. So, they were all settling at different times. And we haven't received monies

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before now. I thought we did. >> So does that mean if they don't need to spend all this money, >> it would get returned to the town or does that water? >> Okay. >> Because it is for P. Your meteor doesn't

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have to be every year. is probably flushing and painting. >> So they could save this money to be spent two years from now if they all of a sudden start replacing some stuff. >> Correct. Yeah. Okay. >> Right. Because again I think there's

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three big um tanks in >> holding that filer media. >> You should go down sometime. >> Well, you're going to be in charge now, right? >> Again. He was in charge in charge >> twice. twice. >> Yeah.

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>> So, she gets to pick. >> So, we're doing a we're doing a cardboard cutout room to put in the other chair. >> So, I like two year and three year. You did. >> What about the other people who were running? >> There were no other people running. >> Yeah. No, everything was writing. So,

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hey, sorry. We're going to We need to >> Well, I'll explain. >> Yeah. Wait later. Much later. Don't just back to the plant. >> What's the cons of it? >> Um, >> well, it's paying down the debt. >> It's paying pay down the

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>> debt. And it's going to pay for the upkeep of the treatment plant. >> So, >> so that Yeah, >> I think there's probably no cons because you can't use the money for anything else because it's a settlement. Um, but just about the plants. Um, and what

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Jerry said, if we find that would like to have a meeting, we can use their conference room sometime. We can we can set up a day that maybe if you're working from home and you can do an hour or two or >> we can just run right down to the water department and yeah, make sure we have a schedule any

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>> Well, we we have to make sure it's not booked. >> Um, but I I walked in there that the size of that wall, the whole >> is a screen, a display screen. So I would be able to take a budget and project it up. >> Maybe we should have

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>> Well, that's that's what Yeah. >> Does TCAM have a have a a run over there? >> We do. Yeah, I think they do, but if they don't, we we do it with Zoom. >> No, they have a run. >> Yeah, I thought we we had said that in the contract. >> Okay. I'm going to make a recommendation that we accept.

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>> Okay. So, we we recommend article 9. >> Second. >> Okay. Okay. So, we had a motion to accept article 9 and a second of that. Um, any further discussion? We I know some people Oh, we do the

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discussion before we make the motion. So, I I'm fine with that. But if there is any other further questions, >> okay, then all in favor of recommending article 9. >> All opposed? None being heard. Article 9 is

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recommended unanimously. >> Another budget. >> Yep. Article 10, the enterprise department budget. >> Yeah. >> So this this is um the water enterprise budget is being set at 2.4

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92,497,58. Um and then >> do we get to see it? No, what what we what we actually end up seeing so the the budget is is approved in the by the um water commissioners.

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>> Yeah. >> Um because that's done for setting the rates. What we're interested in is in the third line where it says the amount of the intermunicipal expenses 482,225 will be transferred to the town's

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general fund for the services we provide for to the water department. The accounting, the paying the bills, the paying salaries and benefits and >> we send money up here. >> Yeah. The water department sends money to the town. >> This is like two things. This is a two

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thing. There's a twoprong vote to appropriate the sum of 2 million49508. >> Well, basically to approve the water department budget. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. But we haven't seen >> and in that budget they're transferring 482,220.

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>> So, we're approving something that we've never seen. Is this what your water take? Yeah, I suppose you you've we're not seeing it and the water commissioners have have seen it and the water takers are paying.

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>> So it's not all the time all taxpayers. It's all the water users, >> the people who use it >> or taxpayers, >> right? >> Yeah. We're not all taxpayers. >> I understand that. But those of us who are on it, >> I don't know. I think it's crazy to

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>> We get a budget though at town meeting, right? >> And so you could town meeting If you have any questions, they can ask. >> Then maybe we should not vote on this until we see the second budget. >> They ran through the budget. They ran it through the their own commission and

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then it was presented to the town to vote on how they're going to spend their own money. >> You know what? I make motion. We don't recommend this right now. I I mean I don't know how to say this diplomatically, but

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>> have you in the water department, have you gone over the budget? >> We have. >> You have? >> Um, so we can request >> You can request to see it. >> Oh, we can. Oh, >> sure. >> Oh, all right. So, let's do that and pull our final. >> Okay. You can have us.

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I'm sure you would come in Thursday night if you wanted, you know. >> Well, >> but just to see. >> No, I know. But I mean, >> I I I think it's a little bit reckless to just say, "Okay, it's good." >> Right.

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>> Okay. So, you request a copy of the product. >> Who's going to request it? Don, are you going to request that? >> I can request it. Sure. >> Who does it request it from? It was sitting right there. >> No, no, it's kind of like it would come

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from Dave. Dave superintendent >> the commissioners, >> right? >> Yeah. So, the water commissioners like your your board of directors and Dave is the water um superintendent. So, okay. We're requesting from Dave. He puts it

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he puts it together >> and he's always willing willing to share. Aids love to come up and talk. >> Exactly. Once more in the paper. >> Okay. So, we are >> I want to go with this one. Okay. So,

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this is >> article 11 >> health enterprise fundid. Yep. >> Operates a solid Is this >> this is the trash fun?

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>> This is trash pickup. This is curbside. This is the trash fun. >> Curbside pickup and the and the associ. >> So it has to pay for the the contract with Shaw. >> Right. >> Right. >> And it also pays for um some of Carla's

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>> work that she does for that contract. >> Yeah. >> And that's really for the town pickup. Correct. Curbside. Yep. >> Curbside. >> Because we were paying for curbside. >> We are through this through this fund. >> Through this fund. The town dumpsters

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are paid by the town. There's they're not paid by this fund. >> This is the this is the >> this is the the trash this is the trash fund we established last year. >> So this this is the sticker. >> This is just saying we're going to we're going to reconstitute basically we have to reconstitute the trash fund for this

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year. We have to approve it. We have >> we have to approve the the payment of the bill basically, >> right? >> And they had they had presented if if you want a refresher on on them, we we had they showed the FY27 post budget um

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with the revenues that they were expecting. >> Um and then the cost we had because the cost had the breakdowns label fees which um postage um this year which we didn't do last year. Everybody had to come in and pick up the stickers. This year

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they'll mail them. Um so there's there were a few more expenses. There was the um was it $10,000 um um unexpected, you know, for unexpected events. So there was a little bit of money. >> So is the 797 include the increase of

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the sticker? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And again, it's kind of like it's all interpretation. Last year's sticker was good for 10 months at 12. See, I don't think people remember that. >> Right. >> Available. They have to be they're

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available now. I think you have to have them by >> You have to have it by July 1st. So they'll they'll >> they'll they'll be available pretty soon. >> Pretty soon. >> I would say by 1 of June. Yeah. >> At least. >> Or you have to do it online, don't you? >> You you don't have to, but you can.

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>> Oh, okay. It's kind of like so the right now the unit pay is not set up for 27 >> they didn't have an amount on it. They didn't have an amount. >> No, they didn't have the amount. They didn't. Yeah, they hadn't um done it, but it was presented in there that the

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sticker fee was going to be 150 this year for the base, the single family. Then I forget if it's two, I think it's 200 then 300 for the two family, three family >> piece kind of and it's going to be a smaller sticker than this year and a

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different color. >> Now, is SH's contracting contract changing? Um the waste zero contract changed a bit which is the place that makes the bags the the cost of the bags went up and that's why there's >> cost the cost of the bag but but so yeah

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it's kind of like the cost of the bags went up but the cost we're charging for the bags is not so with the higher sticker fee the >> they're able to stay the bags at the same cost and eat and eat the expense of the increase

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bags. Yeah, >> talk about the bag. >> Um, so if if you want me to all all the details is kind of like but the these numbers match to where they are. And then there's the intermunicipal expense

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transfer to the town for the $17,169 for the expense of the treasurer and accountant and all that other work that go that the town um puts forward explicitly for the

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border border health and managing this funding >> and the reports that we see on a regular basis. So, I will make a motion that we recommend article 11. >> I'll second that. Definitely. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. I have a question. >> Okay. Yep. We're We had a motion in a second. Now, I'm taking questions or comments. >> So, it doesn't say specifically to pay the trash fee, >> does it? >> No. To operate this

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>> to operate the solid waste department. That's how it says. That's kind of bad. Yeah, I was. >> Well, I think the solid waste department is the the department to handle the trash program. Oh, >> I'm sure. Yeah. >> Okay. I just don't want the money to be able to be spent just because it's going

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into general fund to be spent on something else. >> It's really not. >> The 797 is not going into the general fund >> going into the enterprise. >> It's going into an enterprise fund for for the health. >> Yeah. The waste the solid waste

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enterprise fund. I don't think so. >> I think this has given the town permission to spend the money from the enterprise fund to operate the >> but just to operate the solid waste department. So if this is >> they can't take it as they do the

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operation just like the other one with the water, >> right? This is this is basically saying, okay, >> the money that you collect for your stickers and your trash bags, you can use to pay the costs of manufacturing. >> No, no, you read this wrong. It's a

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17,000 that gets into the general fund, right? Okay. >> I I was reading it wrong. Okay, I'm good. >> Okay, >> thank you. Yeah, we already unless anybody has any more questions. >> There you go. Any any more questions?

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>> Then we're ready to vote. Are we uh um vote to recommend article 11? >> I I >> Any opposed? Not heard. It's unanimous. Article 11 is recommended by finance

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committee. Okay. Now, those of you that also worked on the capital planning committee, thank you for that extra duty. Um, article 12 gets to be your >> That's what we owe. That's what we owe.

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>> Yeah. >> So, >> the highway. Oh, >> the the first Yeah. The first item is um >> that's basically you have to pay the >> Yeah. So it's the lease. >> It's a 50 year lease and it's 31,000 and the funding source is capital

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stabilization. So this the number capital >> right now >> right >> the lease it's a lease to buy. This is the fifth and so it will be ours out there last payment. >> Yep.

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>> So this goes away lease to buy. Yep. >> Last payment. That's good. Very good. Okay. So now we're in again. >> Yep. Second item in the feed. And this is the lease payment on closing,

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>> right? And that's already counted for in the in the budget because it says general form, right? >> In the budget. >> This is in the budget. Yeah. >> Oh, right. Budget. It didn't pass. >> This was in it has to be in budget whether the overright passed or not.

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Right. >> This was this was part of the um capital planning. They said it was already allocated in the police budget. >> Right. Right. It is. And then if it's required to be reported differently because this is actual capital actually

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capital not >> why is it coming out of sale property and not those ambulance funds? >> Because if if we took it out of the ambulance funds. They didn't see the ambulance by transfer >> because I believe when I asked that

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question that that would decrease the amount of ambulance receipts to the town. So then there would be $135,000 deficit >> supporting the fire the fire EMS for the EMS. >> So what properties when this says sale

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of properties was this properties that were sold last year and certified into free cash? >> I believe I believe so. Yes. >> Okay. So, this is essentially taking 135,000 from free cash, but it's specifying the only money you got to free cash. >> But because because the sale can't go to

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free cash, it goes into an account that could be only used for specific things and capital equipment is is one. >> How much is in that account? >> Oh, I don't know right now. It's kind of like >> So, wait. You're selling You're saying when we sell off properties, but I thought you said when we sell off the

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properties, that money gets certified to free cash. I thought it did the first year. It's kind of like and and we did. But um what I heard now is that that money actually can't go to free cash. It

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>> or if it is free cash, it can only be allocated >> for certain a subset of free cash. They can only be >> So it's sort of free cash, but it's not. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. >> So, >> okay. >> Yeah. That's so they they're planning to

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take from the sale of properties that >> So how much is left in that account then? >> I I don't know. It's kind of like I I'm trying to think of the last sale of properties. >> Well, because we sold properties the

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year before as well. >> So I remember when I first joined, you talked about the sale of properties and getting getting certified and all that stuff. And then I think we had a sale last May. >> We did.

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>> And that that money is is what's part of this, but I don't remember the the amount. >> Yeah, it was like the um the water department building out in West Townsen was part of the sale. Um >> who bought it?

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>> I don't know. I think it's an auto repair shop. >> What? The water? >> Yeah. Um >> or restoration. >> No, it it's service service prov or service master. >> Yeah. From town has that business and

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they purchase it. >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> So, >> and other than that, the sales weren't very very much money. It's kind of like uh couple of the couple of the lots went for $1,000, but

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again, it gets them back on the tack rolls for the rest of it, >> right? So, a lot of them are unbuildable lots, but the people who above them might buy them just >> Yeah. And and that was the thing. I mean, I think there was one at eight and a couple of them at 20,000, but all the

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bits were accepted and uh >> they >> So, there's an account for that. Will that be when we do the account that will pop up? Um, it's not on the revolving account. We'll have to ask um where that what that is. I don't know if it's

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Elizabeth or any, but we can somebody should have that number. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Because what if it does have doesn't have $135,000 in it? >> It should. The um the the water department building itself covered it.

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Okay. Okay. So, that would take us to the total of $268,620 to pay for those three items. >> But they're all coming out of different spots. >> They're all coming out of the different spots, correct?

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>> But the art goes through. >> Yeah. >> I mean, >> so you said item one has to get paid. >> Yes. Item two has to get paid based on the uh based on on being in the budget. >> Yeah.

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>> Item three does not necessarily have to. So what would happen if we if if the town turns off what would happen if the town turns down this article regardless of our recommendation. I'm not you know. >> Yep. I'd say the leasing company will take back the print loader that we're

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one payment away from >> paying for one payment away from mean. Well, no question, >> right? I'm I'm saying what if what if I'm a allowed obnoxious person in the town meeting? I don't want to spend we can't spend this money. And he convinces

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enough people to say, "No, we're not going to approve article 12, >> right? We're going to take it back, >> right?" Okay. So, basically, you're saying, "Well, they're going to take back the loader and we're going to and we're going to be stuck with not have being able to shovel your snow front end." >> Yeah. Move or move it when because a

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front end loader would be >> right. And and we're not going to be able we're going to lose our police cruisers cuz we're not going to be able to pay for them. >> And they don't have >> firemen won't have protective gear.

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>> They won't be so they won't be going any fires, >> right? >> Going into the bunkers. >> So So yes, there's a lot of downside if these aren't approved. >> So >> okay, that's fair. I just >> I just want to understand that basically if they don't approve it, this money

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can't be spent. >> That's true. >> And those items basically >> get confiscated. >> What happens? Yeah. What happens when you don't pay a lease on your car? >> Right. Right. Get repossessed. >> It gets they'll come with the tow truck and just load it back up.

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>> Are the Are the police cruisers leased to buy as well? >> No. I believe they just lease, right? >> Yep. Because they turn them in every >> Because they turn over because the wear is the wear is big enough that it's not worth buying them. >> So how often do they Oh, they get every four years, >> right?

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The leases are staggered. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And so and they shop for the leases, right? Like they >> Well, again, police vehicles are sort of >> are they on the list? >> They custom. They're probably on the bid list. And um I believe they're even

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starting to look at electric on on some of them right now to see how how they perform. So it's kind of like so there's always the constant evaluation of what the >> hour if all you're doing is pounding and like should do fine.

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>> You would think it's kind of but then you know faster acceleration and >> but but >> they're going pretty fast now, >> right? But then there's the how many of them have to be charged and how long and you know it's kind of like >> what's the rotation going to look like?

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>> So I guess I I'll make a motion to recommend article 12. >> A motion to >> article 12 and uh a second. >> We don't need the police car so they can represent them.

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>> We I got a couple of extra bicycles. We just got rid of a handful. >> Motorcycle too. So, you know, >> a motorcycle that >> we didn't have a motorcycle officer. >> Yeah, we already got it. Was donating. >> Excellent.

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>> I like the price. >> Donations. >> But >> what do you got? Harley. >> I have no idea what it was. Where did you get that? >> Very recently. >> I'm not exactly sure when, but very We

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have one >> the weather's coming. Okay. So to vote >> any any further questions on capital >> budget. Okay. >> So all in favor of recommending article 12. >> I

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have it. Unanimous. Article 12 is recommended. Article 13. Um, >> this is this a must pay thing. >> This is this this is trying to level b level out the um the once every

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three-year evaluation um that the assessor have to do at the property value. So, this is this is putting another $8,000 into that fund. So, when we do it next year and this is is this in the general budget? Um, I would have

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to look and see because this article, if we say it's coming from free cash, has to has to show up on the recap sheet because this is a warrant article for $8,000 that has to appear on that recap sheet as we have to cover.

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>> Wouldn't they have to have a special fund for that? >> Um, >> because if they're not going to because otherwise, wouldn't it go into free cash if it's not spent? >> Um, it's not it's not in their budget. It is a it is a separate um

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>> is that one of the one of the fun one of the accounts on six. >> No, that's not a revolving account. Um, this is this is just >> this is I guess they call them stabilization account where you put money into a stabilization account for x number of

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years and then you use it to stabilize and level up your budget. >> So that you're so that you're not going the assessors are running running and then all of a sudden this is $25,000 hit in year and then it comes back down. So this is to

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>> So there's an 8,000 payment line item in the budget. Okay. Yeah. >> And then when they have to do this, there'll be an article to withdraw that money and use it that year to do the the assessment. >> I don't think um

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>> does that not require an article? >> I don't think it may not require an article. >> They may just be able to take it out and use >> take it out and use it. Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. I don't I don't ever respond another one to >> Okay,

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a second. >> Okay, >> just curious. Yep. Because last year I did I think they said take it from over which was not the right place.

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And so I'm I'm looking at this and thinking there was a little bit of free cash in this. >> I don't know that we're going to have other available funds. Are >> they supposed to be listed in the Um, no.

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>> No. Oh, okay. >> No, it's not listed in in there. She usually um in her detail when she would put a note about the $8,000 line. >> Okay. >> In her in her details.

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>> Okay. Um, any additional questions on the the transfer of $8,000 to the assessors periodic? >> I'll make a motion to recommend article 13.

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>> Second. >> Okay. So, we got a motion to recommend article 13 and a second. One more time. Any questions? None being heard. Um

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vote for to approve article 13. I >> oppose being heard. Unanimous article 14 Texas. This is

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>> this is the amount of money comes in and then the same amount goes out, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, the money comes in from the Comcast fees or or comes in from Comcast based on the contract um and um the fees they charge. So they they take

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it's equal to 5% of their gross annual revenue for townson's and this money is here and then it's transferred into the TCAM account so that they continue running and keeping everything running for us in the meetings zooms.

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Well, if we ever open this up to compet if we ever open cable to competition where someone could come in and offer cable, then that that would that would impact Comcast will only to >> we would have to have >> impact these funds in in essence.

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>> Um Comcast if Comcast had reduced revenues, the this amount from Comcast would >> would be reduced. If um if another company came in and was offering the cable service then yes but this is not

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just cable this isn't internet this is strictly the cable and the the broadcast >> right >> um so um >> now does Comcast operate the the peg for us or do we operate that they we we operate it uh ourselves just the TKMD

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independent corporation through town community access media So I think >> so if we open up open up to another carrier we could part of the contract for that would be for them to contribute it as well. >> Yeah, >> right. >> It it would be Yeah. And and offset but

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um again we just we just signed the contract with Comcast for the next 10 years um in >> December. >> I just we did a 10 year contract. >> Yes. >> How how could we do that? that I thought was that >> I think I think with cable li what you

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do 10 >> kind of the the prior one was 10 years >> and and again you it's it's on the broadcast cable. So if you're streaming so you get your your broadband service but you stream everything that's not

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that's those revenues we're going to see downturn in those like so it's something we definitely need you know All I do is stream Comcast. >> Mhm. >> For whatever channel I want. >> Mhm.

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>> YouTube 99% of the time. Um and that none of that revenue I give them that $100,000 a month they take. >> Well, it it it depends. Are you paying for broadcast? Is the broadcast I signed up for internet?

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>> Okay. >> Okay. And I have a tendency to believe that they stuck something else on there. And I also have a tendency to believe that they are inaccessible. You cannot talk to one of them to find out what you have. >> Yeah. But it this is only for cable. So

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if you have cable >> it's 5% of your cable bill, not the internet. >> Um and not telephone. >> Have it all bundled. >> They separated. >> What's the difference between internet and cable? because you need a wire to get into your house.

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>> Okay. So, >> internet is just your internet access. Cable is your cable TV, >> right? No cable TV. No access. >> Okay. So, you just So, you you just get internet. >> So, you're screwing us out of peg money.

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>> There you go. >> And I think I'd like to do that, too. Not anything to do with TV. >> There is nothing on cable. >> You're right. You stay in a motel anywhere in the continental US and out of 500 channels, you won't find one to

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walk channel. Come on. >> Okay, let's get back on this article. >> Thank you. >> I'll second it. >> Okay, so we had a motion from Kathy and a second. Well, you

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>> any no further questions? Any any further questions? Sorry. >> Well, I guess I only have I mean, this may be this is a tangential question to this, >> but when we redid the contract with them, why did they not include internet service receipts as well?

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>> Um, it never was, >> right? >> I know it never was, but I'm negotiating a new contract. But I think what it is is that >> and the rates >> Bcam is recording their shows and it shows up I mean they

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>> and they're broadcasting it over the cable network. Right. >> I think that's how al-Qaeda >> Sure. No, I understand that. I guess >> original equipment to set all the all of it up. That's kind of like >> I guess I'm just asking why the contract couldn't have said okay.

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>> I don't know if it's excluded. It could be excluded. um by law. >> Okay. Well, that that's if that Yes. No, I know I know that if that's the answer, then then that's fine. >> It's kind of like they they haven't they they haven't >> they haven't updated the Mass General

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law yet >> for telecommunications. Yeah. Fair enough. That's >> Yeah, >> because um in this case there was a >> committee lawyer brought in. >> Okay. So, they might have tried that and said, "Oh, no, we can't do that." >> Right. Fair enough. it and that's what

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the lawyer said. Okay. For that was able to move on. >> Okay, we got a vote on this. >> Y I >> Okay, so got away. All in favor of recommending article 14.

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>> I all opposed. >> Article 14 is recommended unanimously. >> Thank you. >> Zoning by and adoptions. >> So these aren't really money, right? >> Yeah. But no, we have >> if anybody has an article they want to

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recommend generally we don't do but we have made exceptions in the past and we will continue if we think there's something >> I I think article 15 is worth discussing. I I don't think changing stuff.

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Why didn't they change it when they put in the service? >> Okay, let's see. And >> where are they putting it? >> Service of the warrant, not a fault. And where are they putting? Where are they changing them to?

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>> That that's what I questioned when we met with >> I don't think we should recommend something unless we know where it's going to go. >> Well, we wouldn't recommend anything on this one anyway, but it's not financial. >> Okay. >> Yeah. No, I know it's not financial, but

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>> Well, it's not financial, but how if you want people to show up to time eating and not that they go around and read the warrant or anything, >> not everyone has access to a computer, >> right? And sometimes you can't >> but they're not telling you where

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they're going to put it. >> I know, right? So, that's that's the question. Where is the It says the list will be m maintained by the select board and kept on file in the office of the town clerk. So you can request it at any time. >> Well,

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they decided where to Yes, exactly. I don't I I make a motion we do not recommend article 15 until we have the location. >> Yeah. >> Location of post meetings, >> right? So >> So what does section six say now? >> Yeah. What does it say now? It says that

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it will post at the west towns and meeting room, >> the police station, >> the harbor church, and the harbor fire station. >> Right. >> Right. >> You want to know by heart, >> right? It's kind of like it's always that last sheet where where they record

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and what time they post. >> Well, it would be just like them to >> decide where it's going to be and keep in their office and nobody will know, >> right? So I think we should know >> where it where it is and and >> and if they can't tell us where they >> and maybe a section about how it changes

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it will change annually in a war article. >> Oh >> kind of you know where >> I need to know this year where it's going to be for next year's meeting. Well, I'd say not recommend I So, we did we changed it at one point because

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>> the Harvard church was not may not have been available to post it there, right? And so, >> when I talk to fire chief got up and so unanimously allowed us to post >> so it didn't >> go any place cuz my thought was let's post it in precinct at the water department. Everybody's there but that's

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way out of the way. But it's a town owned building in precinct 3 and we don't have any others. >> Right. >> We have the fire station. >> No, it's not in precinct three. >> Two there. >> Oh, that's two. Well, I don't know. >> I don't even know where

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>> I don't park basically. >> Temple Park west to Emory and up will >> right there. I agree >> because I think that >> but I understand it's not a money article and yet it's

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>> you have to vote on >> the budget, >> right? >> Well, it may impact us as to who kind of post it. Is it going to be part of the who's posting it? >> No, they do it during their shift.

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>> Yeah, they shift. Yeah. >> Oh, it doesn't We don't We're not pay for the detail. No, >> no, no. It's it's not a separate fee. They say they'll they'll cover it. >> It's a crazy I understand it has nothing to do with money. >> Yep. >> But >> well,

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>> I just think intelligent people would not be voting on something that don't >> that we don't know what it is. >> We might change it where it is. I mean, it's kind of crazy. I think that would just be

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>> the It does say in accordance with the requirements of Massachusetts general laws. Do we know what those requirements are? >> Oh, I don't know. >> It's not going to tell us where. >> No, it does not. >> Right. But but if it says that they have

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to be posted in the precinct, then they can't just say they're going to post them in the select boardroom and not send them out anywhere. That's what that was your big concern. Yeah. Right. Yeah. We would never know, >> right? Well, but that but what I'm saying is if the mass if the general law

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requires them to be publicly posted in a precinct, they can't not post it. >> You see what I'm saying? >> We hear you very clearly. >> Yes. Logically, yes. You're right. >> General law says they have to post it. >> But why is it a secret? There's only so many places,

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>> right? >> I don't understand why. Their concern is that they're going to sell the West Towns and reading room and it won't be able to be posted there. >> Well, you know what? Let's not put the cart before the horse, >> right? It's not sold. So, put it there

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and then at the next special meeting, if it happens to be or town, regular town meeting, whichever comes first, they say it is no longer there, we have to move it and then write that one in stone in front of the town meeting. >> Exactly. That's my

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So the bylaw, the current bylaw specifies where they get posted. >> Okay. >> Well, I keep it there >> and we've had to change it from time to time because >> and that gets done in a special and that gets done in a special town meeting, I'm assuming, with a special town meeting

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article. >> Yeah, >> we're going to we're going to amend this to the postal year >> or an annual. >> But you say where it is. It's amended to move from the church >> point A to point B. Yeah, but you know the points. >> But if if that's the case and it's in

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there, is it a change in the e-code? >> Um, is it >> this will be a change in the e code? >> This will be an e- code, but is the list currently maintained in e- code or is that? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, >> yep. Because it's Yeah. >> So, by taking it out, we don't have to change e-code.

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>> Um, what's the ecode? Yeah, that's that's where the the buy when you go into the bywise on the website, it's the software package by Okay. So, by making this change, this would allow them to update the post the listings of where

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they're posted without having to update the bylaw and go through a town meeting article. >> Correct. >> I don't think why they should do that. The town meeting where you get everybody's attention. Do I have to look at

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>> Well, because if they're not showing up, they don't care where it's going to be. >> Well, if the genesis of this article is because they're selling the reading room in their mind, I think that that is, as I said before, putting a card before the horse, you know what, >> right?

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>> They're not telling us where. They're not telling us why. And it's just like, okay, we're going to change it. But if just like everybody has a right to know it doesn't ask for it to be so you don't have to update e code

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>> for the town meeting and keep the list on the website somewhere that it's accessible >> as soon as they sell it they can move the post >> but I think they should put in the article where the spots are going to be yeah so it it may >> well that's what it is currently the

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current bylaw has where the spots are right >> yeah that's why we should have the new one or whatever This is >> right right to change the >> they should have some indication of where >> Yeah. >> thinking about where it might go. >> Right. So So in the bylaws change that

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by >> I guess I would say that as a finance committee. I don't see that we would be acting on this article. As a person at the town meeting, you should feel free to stand up and say exactly what you've been

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saying here. >> Okay? You see what I'm saying? >> Yeah, I have no problem with that, >> right? I mean, >> you know, you have as much right to stand up and speak at town meeting as anybody else. >> So, you should feel free at town meeting to stand up and say, "Hey, >> I'll back you.

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>> I'm not I'm not happy with this >> if I'm still awake by then." >> Yeah. >> I don't know that. But to me, it doesn't I don't know that it makes sense for us to act on this as a finance committee. >> Does that make sense? >> So, you'd have to if you were going to talk, you'd have to

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just get up, >> right? And again, part of that is we're difficult to see in that eye level with with the moderator at the same level. >> No, I'll get up and go down. >> Yeah, that's that's why I recommend going down then you can microphone on the board.

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>> Um and let your and again we we all have that. We we have we are citizens in the town and if you we have questions about articles we can come down and do it. >> So then

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>> all right article 16 does affect money. >> Okay. So the reason article 15 is it that we have a motion to make make no recommendation. >> We didn't do that for all the other ones

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that we didn't make recommendation. >> We just put not applicable. >> Yeah. >> Not financial not financial impact. >> Yeah. No fin that's that's Yeah. No financial impact. Were you talking about 15? >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. It's kind of like before we moved on to 16, I wanted to make sure >> You want to make sure we Yeah. I I would say Yeah. 15. We don't >> No financial impact is fine. >> No financial impact is fine. We'll decode that and put it. >> Okay. Okay.

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>> Yeah. I mean, I don't argue with you that 16 has a financial impact. So, >> I'm not I'm not arguing that >> strangle you. >> Okay. So to see if the time will vote to declare available for disposition

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and authorize the select board in accordance with Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 30B. That's plural, right? and as is a if and as applicable >> to dispose of the property at 264 Deadly

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Road Towns and aka the West Towns and Reading on such terms and conditions as the select board deems appropriate whether by sale through auction public auction sealed bid. Okay. >> So,

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where should we? >> Okay. >> Cal request proposal proposals for otherwise as recommended by towns and properties committee. >> Sorry. >> Y okay. >> And executing. Absolutely unequivocally without any

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reservations at all. Unashamedly call. >> So you don't want to sell the reading room? >> No, absolutely not. No. >> I think it's I think it there's a million reasons why we shouldn't. And one of them being that we don't have a deed to it. We have no

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idea what there's been absolutely no writing this. Mhm. >> Not even close. We have a a general fund, not a general fund. We have a some kind of fund maintenance fund that was mainting

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room that we were told at properties that they couldn't find it. Finally, they found it. There's $27,000 in it. >> So, there's been which can be spent, >> no big deal whatsoever. and they just want to sell an asset that has

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historically brought money in. >> When are we operating now? It's kind of like >> it was operational up until November >> Thanksgiving of 2025. >> Well, they didn't make enough money to maintain it. And I get that >> they didn't advertise,

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>> but they didn't advertise it. >> And the West Housing Reading Room Committee was defunct and now they've done away with it. >> Yeah. We went to sign up for it and then we were told that it doesn't exist because they're going to sell the h the building.

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>> They're going to ask the town. >> But you're saying that the town doesn't have a clear title to it. >> Absolutely. Saying that I was on the phone with the lawyer today, the town lawyer who does the properties. >> And what he he said he does not know where the she

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>> that she couldn't find the D in the property. >> So >> So how could you even sell it if you don't That is the big question. So she was talking about different actions to take like action adverse possession. I said acquire the title. I mean we were going back and forth which choices to

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get a document on the record in the register of deeds office that shows evidence of ownership >> because right now the only place we have it is in the will of the donor and in the town.

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>> Okay. So, this building was donated to the town >> by somebody some years ago, >> 1979. >> 1979 >> was donated to the town for town use. >> Correct. >> Included a fund for maintenance. >> Correct. Yeah.

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>> Which at one point was misplaced >> and now has been found again. >> Right. Correct. >> And it was You're saying it was shut down in November because they did not have the funds to maintain it. Well, the septic >> they said the septic was not um running properly and they feel they need a new

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septic. However, it has not been inspected. >> Yes. >> So, there's that piece, but it's believe it had backed up frozen and backed up and that's why they That's the thing. Everything there's no evidence multiple years. Rob Rob had

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shut it down >> in the winter. >> In the winter. >> Yeah. Because they had updated the wiring one year too. So I mean, >> but the church was in there. They don't take stop going to church in the winter. Was there a church in there for quite a few years?

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>> Well, yeah, but the last couple we had it had been shut down because >> I don't think it's a couple. >> Where's the West Towns? I've been >> Canal Street Dudley Road and Canal Street. It's a little >> W clock is by near the subtle shop. >> I just >> if you go towards the recycle center.

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>> Yeah. >> Turn there. Uh, Dudley Road is the first road on your right. >> Right over the corner there. >> Just over the bridge. >> Just over the bridge. Exactly. Yeah. >> Okay. So, on the corner of Dudley Road and Mason Road, you're saying >> Well, it's actually Canal Street. It's

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kind of like >> Oh, can Street turns into Mason Road. Yeah. I also want to tell you that I really believe that selling real estate assets is a very poor move. Just because we

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were negligent >> does not mean that we should dispose of our assets particularly the two that they want to talk. I'm assuming historic >> we're in New England is >> church is no longer there

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and I think their election of duty they they did not try to >> get people on the committee >> they cut the committee down without telling anybody that on their own >> lost the money again >> lost the count

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>> is it is it is it historic $17,000 all we'll cover inection >> and we actually the three of us have gone in and we've looked at it and it's totally cosmetic. >> Mhm.

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Now, I'm not saying in 17,000 I I just think we should not be dumping real estate because if you look at the many million billionaires in this world, >> they either made their billions by real estate or their investments are real

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estate. Real estate is something you should >> deal with. Yeah. Somebody will buy it cheap. Exactly. You say, I said, "Why do you want to sell this?" They said, "Oh, we need the money right now." Well, you know what? >> For comparatively, for what it's worth,

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>> we have a responsibility that that woman who left that place and that fund >> in perpetuity to the town. I think you might even have to go to court for that. >> Well, it's part of a willing.

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And Kathy just said, "Okay, we've got the 17,000 that we can spend now, and there's more in there that could be spent the next year, but then you also have this CPA that just got created." >> Well, there's that >> some of that could be used to to rehabilitate >> raising money to put together a friends

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of the >> um room. And there's some serious history with the owner of that property because her husband was the chemist that developed Valspar which is very

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>> internationally coding. >> Y >> international coding around the world. So >> there's possibly money there for them. I mean I I sent some feelers out for that. But >> you're saying there could be royalties that by will directed toward this fun.

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They're all taken care of because I made the will. >> A grant from that Oh, a grant from that from the company that that that makes that >> correct. Well, Sherman Williams just bought them. >> Okay. >> Just like a couple years ago and they have community engagement programs, >> right?

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>> So, I think the right people talking to them might I I think we should explore it before we dump it. >> Okay. That um how just a question. How did the rest of the properties committee vote? Well, that's the interesting thing. We

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wanted to keep this off, but >> we did because because the question was question and then it was the the U >> account >> the the account that they left that said,

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>> you know, they gave 10,000 back 90 years ago and that was in perpetuity. And it was like, well, can you really sell it? I mean, what? And at that time, we couldn't find the money. We found the money since then and it's more money. The other question is what happens to that money?

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>> What what happens to the base? Because we were only supposed to send spend the the interest not and the base was there. So you're going to need to know what the interest because that interest is supposed to be spent for maintenance. >> Well, see that's the thing. I think that

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it's a legal issue. I think that you're breaking a will number one >> and I think that you got to go to court for that. I don't think you can just do that. >> Yeah. Yeah, it was funny. >> We had too many there was too many questions about this particular property

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and um and the biggest one where you couldn't find the deed. I know you got the wills, but but then it's the that account where if there's no deed, you can't sell a property that it doesn't have a deed. >> That's what I thought. But >> yeah. No, I even I even asked a question

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of the town council and they gave me the answer that was a non-answer when I talked to the lawyer for the properties. >> Mhm. >> She gave me at least legal. >> Okay. Yeah. Because there is a lawyer we use for um for the treasurer for the

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property. >> Yeah. Iris Ley, that's who I talked to. >> Okay. >> So, um, >> it's just a legal issue issue. >> Isn't that the one that was never recommended to go? The assessors didn't recommend it to go forward.

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>> Yes. Our committee did not recommend it forward and then all of a sudden, bang, >> it showed up here. It >> showed up. >> Okay. So, that's that's probably a better the properties committee is supposed to make recommendations to the select board about properties, too. If if

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>> you saw how that worked out, >> well, but that's that's the piece. It's kind of like if it's here if the vote was no by the by the properties committee, then this >> it shouldn't have even been on this, >> right? Yeah. So, we Okay. I mean, that's >> I'm not sure we voted on it. I thought

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we like table like >> tabled that the information got the information. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, we haven't had a meeting since. No, but it's it kind of just >> right. And that to me that would be the piece. The properties committee has not recommended this to move forward to the

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select board yet. >> Yeah, but they still have it slipped into 17 as well as 16. >> Well, but these these could be different. It's kind of like different. >> I don't know. Last time I heard there was recommended.

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>> Okay. So you we do we have a motion to not recommend articles to recommend >> Jerry made it. I thought >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any further discussion? >> No. I think they >> all in favor of not recommending article

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16. >> I >> All opposed unanimous. We don't recommend article 16. So in article 17 >> with the with the table back here >> is any of the is the address of the

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reading room in this table? >> It was very last one. >> Okay. West town's in reading room. >> Yeah. So that >> well actually >> we need to

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>> so yeah I >> I would like to take the old library out because I think that's another real estate asset. It's historic building. It has a lot of potential. I know that there's issues but like Dave brought up the CPA >> potential. Um I think there's potential

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um save the building donations towns people again I don't think we should be selling those assets. >> Yep. >> And the other properties. So those were town. >> The rest of these look like they're

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>> they're people. They're owned by people. >> They they were taxing. >> Well they were owned by people but they're not anymore because they stopped paying their tax. Right. Right. basically or or abandon the property >> and they're made storage. I mean there's so many are they right beside each other?

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>> Some some of them are some of them are >> I I did look at and I think um I think it was lane I looked at in these three properties that this shows water in all three in all three >> wetlands.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. So, so again, it's kind of like there's no comments on on these and that's going to going to get us in in town meeting. There's always questions about the size of the lot. Is it visible buildable? What are the what's what are the comments that the

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properties committee may have seen on it? This kind of like um >> we did have those though, didn't we? We go through those through them. I can't >> I would think and one >> he might have but gone through some of the properties I think a lot of some of

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them might not have been buildable >> and some of them they took off the list but some they took off the list. So I guess the question becomes with article 17, do we recommend the table in total or not recommend in total or can we go in and say

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>> we do not recommend items, >> you know, >> 10 and 12 or whatever >> 10 and 12, right? >> But we recommend the other ones and >> and the way the motion is written or the way the article is written, can you vote? in the town vote and say we will

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approve this article excluding >> you you would have to >> amend on the floor >> to remove those >> to remove those properties. So you need a whole table with the ones you wanted to remove. Remove >> it would be the old library the West Times and >> Remove them.

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>> Yeah. And and again it's kind of like 182 Warren Road is here. It was already at town meeting and approved but that was about 5 years ago. Um somehow it ended up on the towns and housing authority trust list but they said it

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really doesn't belong there. So they're taking Warren 182 Warren Road up as a reboot. Um and the reason that is sticking um one of the reserve fund transfers we did one year was to board

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that up because it wasn't boarded up and that's that's why it's sticking in my head. >> Yeah. >> Why I see that one. >> Okay. >> What do you think all these halfacre lots are just >> a lot of them? A lot of them are nonbuildable.

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They're out in um >> offic and those are off. Um >> so >> well you expect maybe a neighbor that wants a little extra patch. He can use

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half. It's kind of like there's something >> Okay. Yeah. You can see a whole section of sumac that has no houses on. >> Right. Is that what you just looked at? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because you zoom in enough on the map, it'll show you the little squares for the houses. But on sumac, you can

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see there's a there's like a pond and there's no houses along sumac near that pond. >> Big lot street is pretty big, but it's a narrow lot and so going to be you're going to have to get um

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>> something on it. >> Yeah, there it's pretty dilapidated. >> Where is that? Want to get you Warren. Warren 20 years ago I could have fixed up anything. >> Oh Warren. There's Warren over here. >> You go over the B harbor and you be left

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>> behind where Warren Road is one of Alexandra. >> Is that like the brown house that looks abandoned? >> It it is brownish or >> Yeah, they call it bunk. It would. It's Yeah, it is going out of brown gray because I don't think if you had any

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down woods, there's no driveway. >> Yeah, it looks all covered over. It isn't. The property isn't really usable, is it? >> The property is not really usable. It's kind of like because there's not enough frontage, >> but it's naked yet.

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>> Well, if you can replace the bungalow, it's usable that way. >> I I would think so. program. >> Yeah. I mean, >> yeah. >> Can you get I mean, is there a driveway? >> I don't know. I'm just saying if there's already a building there, I would imagine that you could replace that

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building. >> It looks like an entrance of some sort or other. >> So, there there is no you you can't get in. >> It's so old and overgrown that if if there was a driveway, it's gone. Right.

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>> Well, it's the shadow of the satellite picture is >> Yeah, there's a something in there. You may not There's a remains of a driveway, >> of a drive, >> but you'd have to re You'd have to >> drive >> re I mean,

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>> you might be able to sell that to a developer who would rebuild that house, >> went to a mini >> and and and put a and put a >> put a driveway in. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying you would. I'm just saying you might be able to. >> Okay. All

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>> right. So, what are we doing with 17? Anything? So, are we um taking down gravity number 21 and 23? >> Um well, >> that's a hard one because we're talking about then amending >> well,

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>> amending the article. Well, >> so it it's kind of like it's built with this whole thing and so we could we could recommend >> taking them be voted on separately. >> That to be honest with you, they should

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all be individual, >> but that's past history. It's kind of like the way this the way this is and we have one article. It's it's an all or nothing article looking at. >> Yeah. problem. >> It's kind of like >> not unless they pull those two out the

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library and the left reading room. >> I mean, yeah, we could make a recommendation to amend the article to remove those two items. >> And if that and if that amendment fails, then we would recommend not passing it, right? >> Yep. Okay, fair enough. We we've done

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contingent. >> I recommend to amend the article >> to remove the library in the reading room. >> Yeah. That's something you know I mean if if they want a straight recommendation no as the article is presented we would say not recommended.

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>> Yeah. >> Um recommendation and looking at it um >> rules of those two properties. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because the first one was listed in article 16. So this is a

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redundant. No, we we redundant recommendation. >> So Dave, you made that motion? >> Sure, >> I'll second it. >> Okay, we got a motion with changes article 17.

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Um, >> all in favor? >> I >> Okay, so um all opposed. Sorry. No opposed. It's unanimous that we would like to see a change to article 18 to

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remove the separate property that was listed in article 16. >> It makes sense library >> 810. Would it make sense to vote to be done for a night and come back Thursday >> anyway coming back anyway and pick up

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with article 18 and then go back on the ones. >> Yeah. How does that does that sound reasonable? Oh, there's >> only a couple more. >> Yeah, >> there we go. >> I don't think we really I don't think we really take action on

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>> Well, the bylaw. Do we just say no financial whatever? >> No financial impact. >> Which one is that? >> 19. >> No financial in May. >> Y 18 as well, right? >> Um yeah, >> 18. Oh, 18. And that's a z bylaw. >> You never want a cultivation.

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>> And and again, that could be revenue based if we can get that in by changing the bywa. >> Oh, they put these up before we had a chance to do. >> So planning board hasn't recommended them yet. >> No, we're we're doing that on Monday.

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>> Oh, so we shouldn't should we probably shouldn't even be looking at these, right? And if you're doing the Monday Monday, >> you are they hoping to get >> I think there's a public meeting Monday >> and then the Tommy is Tuesday >> to approve. >> Wait, I mean

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>> I think I think >> Well, these three articles are all citizen petitions to >> somebody somebody must want to grow a pot. >> Yeah. So I I think we should just >> I believe them because

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>> Okay. I research >> that I don't know what the the problem or the two are but 500 people recorded >> it's all at the meeting but I've been researching general mass flaws in >> yeah we won't know about it until >> right

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>> so why don't we take >> well I think >> recommend no no recommendation on the marijuana >> no financial well >> no right >> if we could just say no financial impact >> yeah um I could do Yeah, cuz I don't

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know if he wants right now. I I don't know if the language is going to remain the same. >> Going to remain the same. >> Y >> no or I'm not quite sure what we're doing. >> Okay. So, >> but it's So, when are we going to get

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the motions? >> Um, he sent them >> He sent them at like quarter or 5, I think, tonight or quarter past 5. >> Yeah, they're reviewing them tonight. >> They're reviewing them tonight. So we can go downstairs. They might be to that point. >> Right. So I asked for the preliminaries.

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If I said if you're reviewing them tonight, you must have at least preliminary. We will treat them that way. >> So we'll go over those. >> We can go over them. Yeah. And see how they relate. If there's any impact on

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the final after after they've um after >> Okay. So on articles 18 and through 20 because there's marijuana um we're saying there zoning articles and no financial >> impact. Yes.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do we need a vote on that or just >> um >> No, I don't. I think just >> we typically don't vote on no financial impact, >> right? a general agreement that there's no financial impact. But if somebody can

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make a case for the financial impact, >> we can >> I think the zoning bylaw changes. >> Yeah. >> Well, we can't do anything to make them worse than they were. >> All right. We have our articles that we're going to go back and visit the

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>> have a couple couple of things that we're going to try to get information on. >> Okay. Would it be appropriate to make a motion to adjourn for the night? I'll second that. >> 8:13. >> Yeah. At 8:13. >> Okay. Motion to adjurnn and we had a second to adjurnn. All in favor? I. All

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>> opposed. We stand adjourned.