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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: 5XNqVK_sGkY):
- 00:00:01: Meeting Opening, Minutes Approval, Tiffany's Stone Wall
- 00:05:31: Robert's Rules Reminder, Introductions, Main Street Demolition Followup
- 00:12:07: Father Sean's Rectory Application and Initial Discussion
- 00:25:59: Discussion About Reinterpreting Historic Facade Design
- 00:33:17: Blending Colonial Design with Historical Significance 
- 00:47:34: Exploring Victorian Design Elements, Funding, and Hardships
- 00:57:51: Setting Dates and Design Redesign Directions
- 01:09:53: Facade Inspiration and Architectural Recommendations
- 01:11:34: Roof Repair, Postcard Design and Historic Tour Event
- 01:17:42: Setting Public Hearing Time, Barbecue Location, Adjournment


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Okay, hearing no one else recording. We're moving forward. We are not going to have the minutes through the 24th because the uh chairman did not get them done yet. So, can I have please a motion

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to extend them until the June meeting? Extend accepting the minutes until the June meeting. I don't have the June meeting. >> Thank you for shin second. Thank you. Any discussion?

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>> No. Can I have a roll call vote? >> Yes. Yes. >> Thanks. Okay, we can get right into our certificates of appropriateness. So, we have two tonight. One is for Tiffany at 401 Main Street. Remember

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Tiffany with the burnt? We have two burnt buildings. A burnt building. >> So, she is all set with her demolition, >> but she wants to use the rocks from her foundation to create a New England rock

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fence on the front on Main Street, fronting Main Street. >> Mhm. >> We do have to review that and accept it because it's above ground. So, I don't know how you feel about it, but um

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we have to have public hearing again. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for her, not for us. Um so, I'd like to set that date and at that time, she can come in and bring she has some pictures of how she wants it to look. She's got the GPS and she has the outline of where the fence will

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go, which is right on Main Street. >> Mhm. >> And um we'll just set the meeting. I don't think it'll be a long meeting because >> there used to be a fence there. You know, >> was it a fence? Was it a fence or >> very a wood fence?

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>> Not not a not a stone wall. >> Stone wall. She wants to go on a big event. >> No, they they went this way. It wasn't up. So, I I don't think that's offensive, but we have to follow the protocol. >> Yeah, that would be nice. >> So, all right. Now, we have to set the date for the public hearing. Remember,

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we need 14 days from posting, which I can't post until the earliest tomorrow. >> So, >> just do the public hearing in our next meeting. >> We certainly could at the June because I don't know that it'll hold up. >> Yeah, it's not.

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>> No. Okay. No, I don't think Yeah, she I'm absolutely sure. You're right, Barb. Um, all right, then. Let's When is that going to be? June 12th. >> The calendar. >> I'm looking at mine. Is it the second Thursday? >> Second Thursday. >> The 11th.

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>> 11th. Yeah. All right. So, we'll set it for June 11th. >> Um, we didn't have anyone come to her last meeting to oppose. So, except I did get a letter from um Mary Fairbanks. Is that her name? >> Margaret.

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>> Margaret Fairbanks. She put a great big no, an exclamation point. No. She said there's too much traffic on Main Street. I don't want any more buildings. >> Whoops. It was already >> It's not like it's new to them. >> And she mailed it on May 9th. So she was a little bit late,

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>> like >> Yeah. >> 3 weeks. So, >> but anyway, she was the only one. Everyone else said, "Okay." >> And will that be 5:00 p.m.? >> Oh, well, that's not okay. How do you feel about that? >> Very good. Because it works for the other people that cannot make it at

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3:00. A working class, I guess you might refer us to be. Well, I mean, >> there's days that hard does not work. >> Hi, Claire. Hello. >> Your father Sean and Mary.

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>> Hello. This is the accomplishment. >> Welcome. >> Well, just in time. So, we're just trying to set the um public hearing for Tiffany for her stone wall in front of her property. So Mar made the suggestion

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we do it at our next meeting in June because that would be good. We don't have to have an extra meeting. Um but now we're down to the >> All right. So James wanted to have five. >> No, I heard it in six.

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>> All right. You want to know? >> All right. So >> heard three. It works better. >> You want three? You want three? Well, what's your choice? >> I'm good with five or six. You're you're five or six, Maria.

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>> I would this this is helpful to have it at five or six, but I'll make three work if I have to. >> Okay, so three. Um I went three because five is crazy. Um so three to three. Cassie, you're

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going to have to break the vote. But >> she can't vote. She can. >> Oh, I can appoint you. I get three, four, five, six, seven. >> Even though there's a fourth, there's six. >> I think it would end up going to the if it was a three and three.

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>> Why not? >> Would it not be in >> You know what? We're not having a discussion on it. >> We will um table it till later after we get everything done. >> All right. We'll figure out the time later. >> Yeah, we'll figure out the time later.

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And I just want to remind everybody that this is a Robert's rules meeting and we are recognized. We don't listen. >> We don't talk over. >> Okay. >> Oh, he's with you. Oh, okay. >> Very important.

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>> Hi. >> Deep Jason. Wow. How do I do? This is our um the board. Claire Calpy, Jay Bazikas, Lauren Shiffren, James Doran, Stephan Spford, Maria Milikin, myself, Mary Jane Church, you're a deacon.

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>> Yes. >> All right. So, we're going to do it on June 11th and time to be after you deal with the next application. So, moving right along. The second application is from Father.

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>> Yes. >> Before we move off for for one, the certificate for the Donation has been in it. It's been taken care of. You recall my conversation with you to contact the people that are building the house. They do not have to maintain and

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stay on the existing footprint of the house. They have the option to move it to this way and back. I spoke to the building inspector this morning. He promptly got an email out. Look at Kathy. He promptly got an email

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out to the owners of the situation. So therefore, they can make of the decision if they want to move it further away from the adjacent house or set back. It

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is to their the only thing he realizes that it has to maintain the facade in regards of what is necessary for the facade. I think >> okay John >> we talking about the one of main streets

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>> burn 401 so did they request to move it? >> No not that I know of. >> They didn't ask us here. >> No they didn't. That's why that's why I'm questioning as to why it brought up. >> The reason it's brought up, you should

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be able to inform the client as to what options they have available. Since it was burned down and the house was a total complete rebuild, the ability to shift the location of it is available to them.

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>> Well, I think if you wanted it, you probably would have said so. I think that makes sense. So are you assuming she was informed of it then? >> I would assume that she probably was. >> So an assumption she me

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out of a James speaking through James >> I'm completing the point of welcome. >> No you were interrupting Carolyn and I'm not tolerating that manager. Thank you. I'm sorry. I'm sure that her engineer or contractor would have

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informed her being in that business. >> I agree that she was very well informed. I agreed that she knew exactly what she wanted. She came in and she made her I'm going to use you as an example. She knew exactly what she wanted. She had her architect in tow. He knew exactly what

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he wanted. All they wanted to know was what is the process that we have to follow. They were not concerned about location type. They just wanted to know the process where you're not accompanied by an architect and you're a little bit

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in the dark. >> So that's different. So this would be a situation where we can do the information. But with Tiffany, I I did not get the impression that she had any questions. She knew what she wanted when she walked in here. Or

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>> I'm just trying to remember when they were here sitting here. Um, and when did the conversation come up that the foundation had to be removed and they couldn't use it? >> At the time in the middle of our conversation. >> At that meeting.

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>> At that first meeting. Yes. At the first meeting. The one that was the information gathering meeting. Remember we had the information gathering meeting. Then we had the public hearing and then we had the >> the city. But that and when she presented her packet, she had an

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engineer's report that explained all of that business about the foundation, about the roof, about the entire um necess necessity for demolition. >> Okay. >> She had a real that doesn't mean when they when they end up doing the removal

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of the rocks that they now want to use for the wall. >> Uhhuh. That's where we have to go. >> Yeah. So at at that time if they said I'm just trying to walk through this. No. >> Yeah. I want you.

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>> So at that time if they said gee since we have to have a new foundation can we move it 10 ft to the right or 10 ft to the back? Could they at that time >> they ask that? Yes. >> Okay. That's is

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>> absolutely they can ask that. >> All right. Absolutely. >> Just before it looked like everything is like too late, they had this ahead of me or whatever that they would like to see something else. But so she was very clear about staying in the historic realm. >> So

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>> and she wanted to replace what she had lost. >> Yeah. I I don't think I I did not feel that she had any >> But they have that option. So, >> yeah. All right. >> We're going to assume she was or was not

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informed of that. >> No, we're not making any assumptions. We'll ask her when she comes. >> And after she responds to the building inspector's note, well, email is sent this. >> That's not that we're not involved in

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that part. That's between her, you don't have anything to say about that. It's our responsibility to make sure the client is fully aware of what the options are available. >> Um,

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thanks to you. >> Moving on. Thank you. >> Further discussion on this public hearing for one. >> All right. So, we're going to set up for June 11th. Time to be determined. All right, we're going to move on to the

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second application of the evening, which would be Father Sha and his team of Miami and Deacon. So, F, if you'll just take out your applications. Father Sean has requested that he's seeking to build a new

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rectory, a priest's residence approximately on the site of the previous rectory that was historically damaged by fire in 2020 and demolished in 2021. The now rectory will be a two-story colonial with

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basement with farmer's porch and an attached garage to the rear. It will front onto Highland Street with School Street on its west and St. John's Church to the east. The drawings will follow. So, we do not get the drawings yet, but

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tonight with Father Sean here and his team, he is new to this and so he needs some guidance on how to move through the process. He's done the first thing. He's made the application. I have not had it checked in yet, everybody. Just so you know,

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we're not under the gun at this point because of the steps. So, Father Sean, do you want to bring your chair up or do you want to sweep from there? It's up to you. >> Uh, I I think I might be closer. >> Okay. Let me give you the chair.

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>> Here you come. Whoops. >> Yeah. So, as you are aware, the um there was a big fire h in just before Christmas of 2020. 2020 was a rough year. >> Um and then um I arrived in June of

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2021. Um and the demolition was completed I want to say October, November of 2021. Um and then we were exploring all kinds of options for what to do as while we were waiting the insurance to come. Um

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including uh kind of redeveloping water media hall but when we got the figures on that it was way too expensive. Couldn't do that. Uh we considered the possibility of trying to purchase a house between the three churches that we serve in. Um but there was different

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problems with that. Um uh there is a rectory in Peril, but you don't want to be using the assets from um St. John's parish on an existing asset in another place. Um so eventually that led us back

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to um uh uh trying to build something um approximately on the side of the previous retry. Um the way retries work is that um there's usually a suite for every priest. That means a study, a bedroom, and a bathroom. Uh so we have

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two priests at the moment. And then ideally we'd have a spare bedroom as well. Um then we'd also have um a kitchen, dining room, kind of sitting room, a chapel. Um and so uh uh we're

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going to attach a twocar garage to the back of it. We had it originally we were looking at putting it on the side but then that was very long so moved it to the back and so what we are envisioning now is something along these lines.

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So um got a threeseason room out the side farmer's porch that comes around the front um two suites upstairs. We've got a chimney in there um with the the idea that we'll have um what you call it

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um >> wood stove. >> A wood stove uh on the first floor and in the basement. Uh cuz sometimes if when everything else fails, it's good to have a backup. >> Um then um see side elevation.

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This would be side elevation from the school street side. Um, so the garage breezeway connecting to the house. Uh, the three season room porch coming around to the front. That's the side. You see the chin on the on the car side.

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Um, the Yeah, this is from the the church side uh with the entrance going into the breezeway there. Uh, and that's from the back uh with the

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garage. and removing the garage from the breezeway. So that in the breezeway we have it going down to the basement and then there's alo an internal stairway in the house that goes down to the basement. And then yeah, this is kind of the the

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basement slab for the garage basement here. The stool uh with um so there's like two coups in the chimney going up, but uh this is internal layout. I don't know if that would be of any significance to you

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guys. Yeah. >> Is there two flows? >> Um yeah. So um >> because you have the um ground floor stove and a basement stove. So it would come up into one chimney.

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>> What is the source of heat? >> Wood stove. Yeah. >> What's the source of heat? Main source. >> The main source. So that's yet in to be designed. So the design has not been completed. be able to get the um the hers

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um person to do uh planning all of the heating and the insulation and everything. Uh so that's important. >> I'm just thinking of a third floor. >> So depending on the heat. >> Oh yeah. Well, we we we actually thought about having one on on the third floor,

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but the thing is um we figured um >> there would be so much heat with the way the modern insulation standards work from what I gather. We should be okay. >> But um they Yeah. So there's probably going to be actually I don't know should

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I ask to I don't know >> oil or gas we can probably >> but most likely it will be gas but exactly how that is trans I don't know so um and then see

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>> so you're really early into your design state >> they haven't done the perview of the square footage is to what we session >> we did check this in your chimney from the chimney for the chair.

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>> All right. Yeah. Um could you please through the chair? I would like father to finish before we start asking questions. >> Yes. So yeah, we are u quite early uh in that we've we've done the perk test. >> Um and that came out very positive. Um

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and uh we have the idea of the location. Um and so this is Highland Street here, church there. uh so that it would be built right around here using the existing cut from uh school street to go

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into the garage. The existing garage would probably be demolished. Um and then um yeah, so then I have to find out what do I need to what what we need to do. >> Okay. Building inspector, excuse me, the

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building. >> Yeah. So we have spoken with the building inspector with regards to setbacks and that kind of stuff and um there was a question because it's a religious building uh is it affected by the dober amendment um and so there was

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a consultation with the legal council on that for who the do amendment >> do amendment >> yeah so that affects uh religious and educational buildings >> but you don't have to worry about Jurg.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um what what are the square do you know what the dimensions of the house will be? >> Uh it would >> not too much square foot but dimensions

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like 20 by 40. So the main block in the center is 40 ft and then it's another 30 ft that part on the on the let's see like we call it the east wing and then 14 ft for the uh >> so the main block is 40 ft. I'll hold

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that up so everybody can see it. >> The main block is 40 ft >> and the additional >> is 30 ft. >> 30 ft >> and it's 14 on out to the edge of the tree season room. So 84 total

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84 or 25 >> well by the time you add it all. >> Oh no. Okay. So this should be >> I think it's 30. >> So this section it's a little it's 2 in on either side.

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>> So about 80 by 30 just just general not not we're not holding anything. It's three stories. Three stories. So um basement ground floor and second floor or first floor here second floor says

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>> oh yes >> basement's unfinish >> okay that's okay we don't do inside we just do >> okay >> so in terms of >> could you repeat that I didn't hear that Mary time >> 80 ft by 30 >> I don't know your last statement that we >> we don't do anything with the interior

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>> in other words you're we work look Yeah. >> Meaning like how this looks >> is to how that looks. You mean >> I don't know. >> So like that that was three stories. This one is just two stories.

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>> Yes. >> No, I was talking about the area. >> So can you give us a picture of where the lot is now? >> You know where that kind of little turn around is and statues in the

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middle. Where where is this house and how is this going to sit in relation to that? >> Yeah, that will be a little bit here in the last page. >> Yes, >> you can see the little dots here. That actually kind of gives you an idea of where the current driveway is.

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>> Okay, let me follow this up a little bit. So, looking at the vacant lot right now, >> I'll just hold it open. Are you okay? Yeah. Okay. So, this is the lot vacant and father is

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saying that these little dots in this area right here show where the >> existing >> existing semicircle is. >> So, the original house was facing the band stand.

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This one appears to be facing >> It's somewhere between Highland Street and the U >> because you're on a because you're on a G. Exactly. >> So, you're changing the direction of the facing of the house.

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>> Let me It's close enough. I'm trying to think if if um I can check on Google Maps. >> Look, it's similar to this. Isn't that the turnar around here? And that's the front of the house. to me. Yes. Yes. >> It might be slight degree and change. Not very much though.

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>> Very much similar. So this is the front of the house. This is the front of the house right here. Not this. >> Uh yeah, this is the front of the house. >> Okay. >> So um and then the the what you call it the apartment will be down here. >> Okay. So this is the front of the house.

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The common's here. So we're we're still looking at the common and the other. He's kind of looking at the corner of the common rather than looking straight down at the common and >> right. So what we have to do in terms of the steps before we get into anything

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else the step >> it's more looking at the parking lot next to the common but >> yeah okay beautiful. So, what we're going to have Father and Miss King do is >> add your plans to this application

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>> so that we can stamp this in, >> okay? >> And once this gets stamped in by the clerk, then we >> start the clock ticking, >> okay? >> So to speak, >> we can't move forward unless we have the plans attached to this because this doesn't >> I mean, it tells us what you want to do,

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but it doesn't give us a visual of what is going to happen. This is much much better. >> Yeah. >> So, if you had a different if you had another even if you can copy this and >> I can email those to you. >> Oh, okay. That'd be fine. That'd be perfect. Then I can have this stamped.

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So, does anyone have So, what happens next is we schedule a public hearing. Once you give me this and I stamp it in, we schedule a public hearing and we have to let everyone know who's abunding your property >> to come to the meeting and they're allowed to ask questions. >> Okay.

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>> Um so it would be wise maybe to have your uh architect or construction crew not crew leader at that meeting because there may be some very specific questions I don't know who's going to come. Um, and then after that public

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hearing, we make our decision based on the facts that you've put forward and what we know historically. Now, that being said, when you Yes.

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Sure. I had missed a piece of the meeting. Um, is did we make a decision that how this building looks, the historic facade and everything

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does not we're not going to reinterpret it. We're going to allow that design. >> We didn't get to that part yet. >> You don't You're good. You're on track. >> So, I have a question. Did you include the color in?

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>> We don't do color. >> Oh, >> we don't purview color. Color is not in our We haven't to worry about no color. >> No color. >> No color. >> I was just reading >> this town. Oh >> yeah. Yeah. Towns are no color. >> I mean Massachusetts. Yes. So you

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conquered GR Little. Yes. No. >> The other towns would would >> 100% >> 100%. All done. >> Yeah. Thank you for bringing me up to speed. >> Yeah, grass is not all white, but it has

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to be similar yellows and whites, >> right? >> So, it would be white. >> Yeah, I was going to say I think it's lovely. So, um, what happens here because you're in the historic district

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and and our goal, our mission as the commission is to preserve the historic architectural features of the buildings in our district. >> You happen to have a very unique and important building to our history.

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event. Um, not only because the family who who built the building was very instrumental in keeping the town going, which was the Fezan family, but this architectural style sets and

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this was a statement about our town and our industrial position in our town, which was quite prominent back in the 1800s. And the the style is Victorian Queen Mary.

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The Queen Mary 1860 1880 architectural design which is not colonial. So what we're having here is 100 years to 200 years earlier.

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So we're having conflict, if you will, of errors. >> What What year was that bill? >> 1860 to 1890. I'm not I don't I don't know exactly when, but that's that's the style that this was.

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>> Well, they you mean that as close to the year? >> Yeah. I'll have to check with Jody. >> What's the address? >> I don't even know. >> I don't know if it's school street or Highland Street. Highland Highland One Highland 20

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Highland Street. Good point. >> So, um, >> so now I'm just telling you this. We're not making any decisions here. I'm just giving you a little background of of the things that we have to take into

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consideration. Number one is the year of the build. Number two is the significance of the building that you're replacing. Does anyone else want to speak to this? >> No, you're doing such a good job. So the significance of the building that

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you're replacing does identify a lot of who and what towns was at that time. This building is diametrically opposed to the building across the common which

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was the kind of competing family the Adams family which built a colonial. That's your colonial. So the fezins wanted to one up them and they went to this Victorian Queen Mary. Guess what?

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We're here now. >> So you are you're filling some big shoes in town >> by this. And that being said, we are very much aware of the cost.

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We also know that you get the Vatican bank. >> Not exactly. >> So, it's not we know where it is. >> If you do use lower than I do, >> so but just to speak to that, um,

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>> yes, >> I think cost is going to be an issue. We're not going to be hard balling you on that, but I think we need to do a little more homework with your architect

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on how we can do some kind of a a blend of a not quite so severe colonial look because colonial was very severe. You know, straight lines, everything was straight as opposed to what you're replacing which is more

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delicate, more details. >> So, well, one of the things was when we were looking at all the possibilities, uh, we actually had somebody price out, at first I thought it had to be replaced with something that was the same. And then I discovered, no, it doesn't have

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to be like period like or something like that. So, then people said, "Oh, colonial would be fine." >> But, so what that was priced out at for us was like between 4 and 6 million. And like no way

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that in fact even the the the redevelopment of farm even the call >> um they they came up with plans and everything went to the contractors first contractor came back and it was like 2.9 million and it was like no way we fig the second contract it'll be it'll be a

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bit less came back at 3.9 million and again no way that's when we thought about uh well maybe we'll just like get a house somewhere in the in the center of of between the three places. And um I

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thought, you know, you might be able to do that for like um 600,000 or something like that. First house that came available um that more or less fit our criteria. It was close enough. Um it was on uh

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Townsen Road as you're heading the you go past Hannerford's uh first uh on the right >> um the the other one the GR >> and it went on sale was sold after 5 days >> at 900,000.

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>> Now in 2018 that was 560,000 and that's when I was like oh go >> things have changed. Oh yeah. No, the real estate is >> so uh like we're we're trying to to um bring it in a lot.

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>> I see that. So I think what I'm trying to tell you is that we've we need a blend here. We need a blend here. Um a facade. It's about the facade.

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>> So I don't know what to tell you. >> Madam chair. >> Yes, please. Can I ask you a question? >> Dormers, >> how do you blend a colonial style house into a Victorian? >> Well, I'm not an architect. That's what

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I mean. That's what I need. I need the creativity. You can't like >> Well, d right, but you could put dormers on. This building has dormers. >> Yeah, I think there's more. not a third floor there. But yeah, and from what I understand now with the way they do

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insulation and things, >> it's expensive to do that. It'll >> you know, they don't even want you to have like an attic storage space because of the way the insulation there like a 2 ft of insulation or something. I again, I'm not hearing from people. >> It'll be interesting to have the engine,

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the architect. I think if the architect has the scope of what we're looking for, the scope of what you need, that's their job to do to make the blend. >> You already paid quite a bit of money for these drawings.

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>> Well, there's there's a lot of effort that's gone in there as a and we have rejig them a little bit to make them fit more with the common like adding the farmer's porch um different things like that. It looks like the house is around the corner. What were

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>> Yeah. So that's that's what >> Well, that now see that was very So you picked up on >> Thank you. on on the whole historic >> movement around the common but that's what separated this house from Anderson's funeral house at the time.

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Want to be >> And talking about because they were Yeah. And Anderson's house was the Adams family. And then the residents when they vomit, they weren't going to let that

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happen. But yes, John. Oh, I'm sorry. Excuse me. >> So, I just wanted to ask a question. So, if the church can't afford to build it period, correct? Is the risk of having nothing at all in us building in >> no

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>> elsewhere? So what we can look at after options are explored and the finances are >> we can look at a certificate of hardship which means you can't afford it for whatever reason >> but then we're also going to have to hear what people have to say too. So we

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can't dismiss you know >> and then we have to look at a hard decision because >> I know there's a way to me down. I'm just got to figure out how to I really believe there is >> but money money insurance money plus quite

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>> you know the other thing is there's a company don't get nervous out in Nucket that does modular homes that are Victorian we can take a look at that company and see what they have to offer stunning cheap but I don't think they're

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half as as expensive as stick bill >> so it be worth it would be worth taking a with that company. >> Yeah. Some people have have uh asked about and and this kind of bit of competition between the idea of modular build or the stick build.

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>> Not anymore. That that's a myth. Yes. >> Um just a couple basic questions. I like we're not here in the board to help him figure out who to go through to build the house. Two points. When when the rectory you built burned down,

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>> I'm going to make an assumption. You had adequate insurance. So when it didn't burn, if it didn't, and I'm sorry that it did, you would have been able to reconstruct that building with the insurance >> a a a like building. So

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>> So in other words, you did have adequate insurance when it built burnt down. I'm in a Victorian and I had a specific conversation with my insurance company. If this house burns down, my expectations would be that it is rebuilt

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with the slate, the mansaw roof for Yes. So, I had adequate insurance. So, if my building was to burn down, I'm getting what I lost. I paid the mighty dollar for it. And once again, I have to circle back and I'll I'll try to stifle myself.

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We just got done with a building in West Towns and that build was burned down and we are keeping them pretty much in the same location as it was. We want them to build it with the same per say facade in the front. >> Yeah, she's >> my question is where are we going with

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this? There is a colonial >> and a Queen Mary Victorian. I understand cost. This is important, >> but we have to understand if we hold other people's feet to the fire, we need to follow through and do it again here. >> I agree. >> Thank you, sir. I don't say another I

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think there's options though. Now that you brought up the insurance, Maria, maybe you can speak to that. I mean, replacement, does it not mean replacement? >> No, no, no. I can't speak to the insurance policy, right? So, I certainly wouldn't get involved in that um unless

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asked to review it. But replacement cost, actual cash value or functional replacement cost, um there are different valuations. So I wasn't involved. >> Right. But it just say that if they did have the replacement policy,

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>> but it depends if it was reviewed recently, you know, if the policy wasn't reviewed recently, it may not have been accurate. And it's part of a a much bigger um policy as well as the arch dasis.

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>> Blanket there could be blanket coverage. >> Indeed. >> Yeah. >> Indeed. >> Which would allow more money. >> Yeah. >> It was a bit tenuous for me to be able to get my insurance company to the point where they would understand you need to

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look at my historic value that I had at this house where it too late at this point for it to go back. >> I know, but There should be maybe on your some followup to find out if we have >> more to bring that back

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to >> explore. I mean, I'm sure that they don't you're not privy to any of that stuff. >> Well, we we privy to some of it, but I think it's it's all settled at this stage because it was it everything is like shut down, done at this stage.

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Okay. Okay. >> It wouldn't be anymore now. Okay. All right. Well, let's All right. Let's see what's going to happen. Let's set our You're going to set a plan. >> So, what just to to if we were to to

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continue to try to build there? Um, what is Queen Mary style? >> Victorian. >> Victorian era. >> Victorian era. >> Well, that's bedroom. >> This was a much bigger building than what >> we're not. You don't have to make the

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building as big as you don't have to reproduce the entire building, but you have to reproduce. >> They need three bedrooms with bathrooms and a study. So, it has to be quite big. >> But it's two studies. It's two suites

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and an extra bedroom. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That was a seven bedroom. >> So, only the exterior has to look like, correct? But the interior can be modern. Yes, >> that's right. That's not a topic.

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>> Does the town have >> Yeah. >> specifications on what's required or just make it look like >> No, you don't have >> Okay. >> So, what you would be using would be Claire just pointed out we have a better picture for you.

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>> Oh, we have a better picture than um for your architect. Have Have you shown the picture to your architect? he he would be aware of of that. Um, but we just we didn't think that we had to do something that would replicate what was there before just to have

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>> to style of the uh >> of the the buildings in the district, not necessarily. >> I see. You were close. You're close, but you just missed the mark because this was such a unique and it also has a place in the history of town, not just being a colonial.

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As I said before, it represented the two families that were the industrial giants of our >> history. Um, but this is not to say that you should give up at this point. Let's try to move forward um with setting a date for No, first you have to some of

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these plans so that I can >> Yeah. >> stamp this in. >> Okay. >> Set another date. Do you want to do it on the same day? June 14th. We do >> 11. June 11th. >> Yeah. June 11th is good for your team. We're having two public hearings that

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same day, >> I guess. >> Well, it depends on >> we're going to start at 3 then cuz we we'll be here all night because I think that that you're you're going to have a lot of people here. >> Now, >> once word gets out >> for the discussions

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3:00 you want, >> right? >> Maybe that's a good idea to have that. Yeah, people will be working. >> Yeah. Well, >> and they can mail in their comments. >> Oh, yeah. I always send I always send out to all your buddies. They'll be

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getting a letter from us stating, you know, if they have any questions or to ask us if they're not going to come. It's not going to be in person. I send that out well in advance. Oh, I'm sorry. Is there a possibility we could do a

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online survey for those who might want to take a survey? You mean to hit other than the artists and be to do more thing huge interest in it just no we could but you know

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>> could you >> I don't have to do survey I have >> you mean a huge interest in >> in the Catholic in the Catholic church being replaced because it is a towns and treasure >> because it is a treasure is it >> oh as a kid I remember but as far as

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deviating from what it originally was or being changed to a colonial. Is that where you see the interest? >> Well, yes. I just to me the cloning just it doesn't fit.

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>> Well, speak your mind. Is that how you feel? >> I already said I don't feel we voting on that or >> standing on thoughts. But this is it. >> I mean, as you said, for the people in West Town to stick to the rules and

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regulations, >> you had a very different circumstance. I >> It is very different, but this is also extreme >> because it is so valuable to look down into the common. >> Well, see, that's the other thing. You decorate it with a decoration, so to

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speak, of the car. If money wasn't an issue, I'm sure this would be a whole different conversation. But we're in reality here. >> Have we deciphered though if money is the issue? Yeah. >> Yes. We decide that if money is the issue,

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>> we sacrifice having something that is a treasure to our town and its structure, its style, and what's always represented and going to a colonial and deviating completely from what our our core mission stands.

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>> That's correct. That is correct. >> That is correct. >> Maybe not. >> I know. And I don't get I I think that there's solutions. We just don't have them all >> right now.

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Deliberation. >> Yeah, we need more deliberation. I think we need to talk to the architect. Is he available by Zoom? >> I I could find out. I know if um they would be interested in havingation

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or meeting um because that's what they do >> solution all they >> are you guys really have you know how to set on a Victorian >> it's got it's taken a lot to get to to this point uh >> a lot of time

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lot a lot of time a lot of effort a lot of concentration a lot of you know throwing out different ideas and being shot down and um and uh so yeah, it's good. >> Come up and look at my Victoria. I'll go move out into the woods in the back,

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>> right? Move it down to the comic >> like the Oh, the >> So, we're going to do a Sorry, Kathy. Um, but just a reminder that it's not the inside that we're worrying about. It's

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the facade on the outside. So, if they could make that, but the outside look more like this >> and not necessarily three stories. Correct. >> No, >> but just a facade for that.

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>> From the street view. >> Yeah, it's a 360° viewing on that. I was saying that >> you went to four. You looked at 3 ft from the back of the house. >> You said we've got to stay consistent.

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>> I did >> for 3 ft that you had per you in the back of a house. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, we gave him a hardship, right? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Um, >> what is the hardship? >> No, this is a tough one because of >> I'm sorry. Can you answer that question?

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Can you ask your question again? I >> sure you said that certificate of hardship. What What is that? >> That means that there are extenduating circumstances that >> make it impossible for you to comply,

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but then the property is always in non-compliance. Um, so if you were to sell it and I you would sell it with a non-compliance and we would be able to go into a to speak to the new buyer and make sure they

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understand that if they might have to bring it up to compliance. It's a it's a tricky thing. I mean, we gave a a hardship tip the other day to um a person who was just going to put add to their porch 3 ft and that 3 ft happened

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to be giving us a view from the street. So, we said, "Okay, you're changing the outside of the building, but you have to because their basement had corroded or what something happened to the basement." So, they had to push it out to three. It couldn't collapse. So, they

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had to push it out 3 ft so they could have the um support >> support. So, that was a hardship situation. Um I I think we need more investigation on this. I don't think I How does the board feel? We're not ready

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to give the ship up. I think we just need more information. I think we need that. >> If there's any way that your architect could do a little bit instead of the straight colonial stark, but do a little

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bit on the front even with what you say the porches are going to be. or maybe not be as elaborate on the porches, but maybe one >> so that it shows something from what the facade was ground they could round the

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poor way. I I I really believe that if the architect >> you you gave the architect this creature, correct? >> We didn't ask him to design. >> We didn't know we had style style, >> you know, even the window set the window

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set. >> This is too what do you call them? Scalloping. >> You know, now we've got information. The architect never saw this. So maybe trying to imitate. He would have seen it, but he was not trying to

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imitate that. It was like what fits with with the u with the the town. Yeah. Well, people said this was and correct around town. Every every single one is absolutely

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modern colonial, too. That's not >> Well, there was a col before this house was built that looks like the one >> there was an older one that was on but that that one was then shipped up to um >> where >> Highland Street actually

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the history of the town. If you were in any other part of town, you could do this without even thinking about it. But because you're reduced to it, that change a bit. But I think you should have another conversation with your architect and ask him if he can do a couple of rounding of the porch,

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rounding of the window, maybe put a portico on the front instead of a a farmer's >> farmer's porch porch. >> So we're kind of heading towards like a >> what kind of >> a lipstick kind of a thing.

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>> Yeah. so to speak. >> What is that up on um >> I don't know it's main street or town street which is that goes like where Billy Schultz is >> Bill lives it's on Route 13. >> Yeah, Billy Schultz does the big does

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you might want to talk Billy Billy belongs to you. He could. I don't know, but I I've heard of him. >> He does. He does the um the railing work >> on the He died um on the the church, I think. >> Yes.

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>> Over the side doors. >> Yeah. He built the um Who's in there? Jean Rahul. >> Oh, Gene Ra. You're talking about the >> You're talking about the house down here that he built like >> Oh, that's forgot about that. Yes. >> Oh, the house in Mesa. Are you familiar

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with it? If you go to West Township or here on the left hand side, it's the campus house or the building. >> No, the building. It's >> like an office building. >> Yes, it's an office building. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> That has the look. It's not quite as

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>> graceful as the Queen Mary, but it's um it's in that era. >> That's where you want to be. You want to come up out of the colonial into more of a Victorian look.

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Don't be discouraged. Mary is discouraged. >> Hands up again. >> Sorry. Excuse me. >> Always should. >> I know. I know. >> Now I think it's a slippery slope. We can't

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look at what this building looks like, try to modify anything on that to even come close to what we are in the middle of with this. Have you exhausted everything available in the funding aspect between what we

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could come up with >> as far as the town with the arch dasis? On and on it goes. I'm I'm a little concerned why you were not able >> to hold enough money to replace what was existing there.

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>> So I must have been able to realize it a high dollar building and if it burns down >> I don't think >> this is what happens. think that people would have been looking at the the the the value the insurance value the whole time. Um so the

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>> you have to keep an eye on the dollar. >> Yeah. And the other thing, Mary J, is there anything that we have in our coffers as far as any tapable fund or something that would assist us on

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>> burning of a historical >> the other could you reach out to other towns to find out what did they do with that building in the center of Grton? >> It was a 100 that the building that burnt in Dunville Dunville. >> Oh, in Dunville. Yeah, that's beautiful.

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Right. >> Yeah. But he wasn't talking about that. >> But at the same got replaced in the same level of of excellence that it was just like a building that they just did in Brton. It was very expensive. It took a

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very long time. Picture perfect for what the whole building was. Their feet got held with the fire to do that because it is in such a historic area. the um so the the I know sometimes it

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can be difficult to take some external funding if it comes with like strings attached with regards to uh future usage and things like that. So I know that they have to be careful about that. Um >> has the approach been made yet though?

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the well I'm not aware of of of what funds would be there but I know that we would have to be very careful about it about about taking any any funds that could have strings attached about um that any future renovations

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modifications >> you're talking about if you get grant money from the national from the state they will put restrictions they will put restrictions >> but I think to assume that maybe there wasn't n't the full replacement cost value.

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>> Well, definitely there wasn't that was a when when we actually uh cuz we we were wondering like should we get more insurance and we like went to that but then as they work out the whole system cuz it's as I say it's one building within like I don't know 1,200

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buildings or 1500 buildings or something like that. So it should be written on a blanket basis. Just if you have anyone you can give that tip, you should suggest that >> called blanket coverage. >> And then the the other thing um so and the other possibility is like that we

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just don't build in the starting district and >> we stay away. So one of the issues um when so when when um uh St. Martin had to move out. A lot of

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people up in towns were feeling like they're abandoned and you know there's no priest there. >> And so for us then if we're to move up to towns and we're going to be facing the same issues down in the other place. Well why are we abandoning them? >> And so to some extent it's probably easier at least when he moved out there

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was a very very good reason like it was an unlivable situation. And so for us to to make a decision to actually invest in putting up the house in towns and and move out of the other place um that like like there is an argument to be said

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that it's just easier not to to build there. Um but as I say, we've looked at the other possibilities and and um as we've kind of been cycling through it, we've warmed up to this one in a big way. Um, but it's not it it's not

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sitting stolen. I guess that we have to do it. >> Nothing for nothing. But I even when they >> I didn't mean to interrupt me, but when they even went down and they were doing the demolition, >> I asked, "What are you guys going to do with this granite? Is the church going

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to store it and put it away somewhere for the reconstruction if and it does it go?" No, we're just taking it. It's out of you. >> Oh, they took the ground. It's gone. I mean, I took the time. It's gone. That

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>> that was the um the demolition company. >> I know where it went. I know who did the work and everything. So, that even that in a sense is a disappointment. That was a piece of our historic >> um that got removed.

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>> So, what we're going to do, we're going to set it for June 4th, June 11th, the public here. In the meantime, you're going to go to your architect with the that depict and just say, "Can you do some

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>> facial lifting to give it this Victorian Queen Mary look? Does not have to be the exact thing. We're not asking for the exact thing. We don't need 10 porches. But I think if you show him

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this, architects are pretty creative people. I really do. I mean >> I can try. >> You're good to try. I mean you have a better picture. Correct, Mary? >> Yes, we have a good picture. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. It's a shame you didn't first. >> Yes. Go ahead. >> Question on the um So, how do you uh do this? What is the public hearing consist of? Of newspaper? >> No. I have to post it again here.

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Okay. >> And then I write a letter to every butter. >> So all the people that or can see your So I'm probably going to have to see it. >> Yeah. I'm probably going to have to do the full um comment. >> Everyone around the common. >> Yeah. I was going to say I don't have

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on one side, >> couple streets on the bow street. You're going to have it face this way. So it'll be just that that general area. So, I write a letter to everyone to tell them that you are in the process of rebuilding the um the church and

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>> directory, I'm sorry, directory and that you will be available on June 11th >> to answer questions. >> The 11th would be far too soon because we have to go back to the architect and make it more >> redesign the house to

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>> we didn't start we didn't start at what was there. We started at what we thought would be okay with >> surrounding buildings. We didn't know >> what was affordable and you know >> No, I can see the corn look. I I can see that >> we have to go back to to starting, you

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know, step one and have it redesigned and then represent it. >> I don't think so. Don't do a redesign. It's just the just the facade. >> Yeah. Well, that's where >> that's the question. >> I mean, we just changed one little thing and the roof lines change. I'm moving

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them. We moved the the garage in the back. Sleep free. That was that was like unbelievable. >> You know. >> Oh, really? >> A lot of work. >> I asked. >> And it's a local gentleman. So >> I know. But how how I've never heard of

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him. Was he Catholic? >> The name. Do you even know the name? >> I don't know who he >> Yeah. I sure. >> Yeah. >> In Ashford. It was in Ashley. >> Ash was local. >> Yeah. Did I get in touch with Billy Schulz to

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see if he has the plans for that house? >> Route 13 built. >> Do you know Billy Schultz? >> Yes. >> Yeah. He did a lot of work on this building. >> I would give him a call and just ask him if he can help you. I know he's not cheap, >> but he needs grace. So,

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>> there is a multitude of architects out there that will are available to you period correct design. No, >> it is not chicken feet. There there is a great few of available out. >> You must ask the question to show him. I know it might be a little bit painful

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for a minute, but >> it will work out. >> Didn't the architect originally ask? >> No, they they said that they went for a colonial. >> Yeah. But what we were told was >> nobody even realize that you're in the HTC and that >> Oh, no. No. that that was known. But

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what we were told was you just have to do something period like and that the period was colonial >> here to get the advice. >> Yeah. We >> operated off of historical >> incorrect advice. >> Historical site wouldn't have known that what

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>> that they would have to know. >> For pictures and info. >> Oh, for a picture. Yeah. >> Yeah. For so they were giving the wrong advice out of the starting game. from whoever that was, >> which I'm very scared that happened. >> It was a very hard start.

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>> Plus, we didn't have the funds to build that building. So, we didn't really even consider it, you know. >> So, and that's like we didn't even like consider building there until somebody said, "No, you don't have to do what was there before cuz I thought originally you had to like replicate what was there before." And they said, "No, no, no, you

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don't. Just something that's periodike." And what's period like? will be here. They need to read. >> We're going to change uh the the direction of of things. >> Great.

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>> We're going to do a different day. You want to go to July to the July meeting? Will that be a little better? >> We were hoping the summer we had we don't want to push out to July. >> So, let let me speak let me speak with them. um and then get back to you.

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>> Okay. And depending on your answer, can't we consider a sooner hearing? Absolutely. Once we know what you can do, >> we can make it work, but we need 14 days because we have the >> we have to post and there's a holiday

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>> and there's a holiday coming up which is Memorial Day. So that doesn't count one of the 14 days. So yeah, we can accommodate your schedule. >> Yes. Does a town have um and you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge cuz you own one. Does a town have a list of

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architects that are very committed with building these things that they could I know you can't make recommendations but is there a resource? >> What's that? >> A Victorian Yeah. Like do you have a somebody that always approves that builds these homes that this is the person to go to? No, don't

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>> but mass historic mass you >> just so we're starting in the right place sample you got some mass >> we did give quotes for this don't forget we had three builders >> who quoted this >> divide by three is still too expensive

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>> but you had you had somebody quote you on the original >> to rebuild that >> yeah that's what they said it was4 million like between 3 and 12 and 6 million was estimated that >> estimate and look at this for a

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reconstruction. We have an architect right in front of you. >> The um but that that was just we couldn't we could not do we couldn't uh do that that price. nor do we want to build a seven bedroomedroom >> and the farm hall one as well as I say that was

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>> yeah inside >> the the renovation hall was the like 2.9 and 3.9 million again >> but we weren't doing that like under a million >> right that's where it gets >> you don't need the rooms that this

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>> building appears to have inside you can do your two bedrooms or two what did you think >> two suites and or three suites if you like So they would just have to make the front of it look >> or the I guess the sides too cuz you got two sides windows and doors.

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>> It is a 360 building. There's no getting around that street Highland. >> It was built that way for a reason as ornate as it was cuz they wanted that visual. >> The um once the church was built of course that kind of covers

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>> a whole new section of it. So if that building shrunk, >> excuse me a little. Huh? >> No, it didn't shrink. >> No, that building doesn't shrink cuz it's going to be small. >> Make it smaller. >> Oh, yes. Yours. No, no, you're saying

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yes. It's going to be like shrunk down. >> The architect would do it. That's the whole thing. >> Two stories. >> Twotory requirements. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm sure they saw this as a seven

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bedroomedroom fourb living rooms all over the I mean it was this exquisite building there's no question about it and that's on oak and all beautiful >> beyond beautiful and I'm sure that's what the architect heard or wanted to

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hear when you said can we reproduce that >> so you're saying we you can go for a square footage reduction >> which will equal all the savings out of it but we're still >> give focused on >> fac

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>> that actual building style construction and everything >> this can be >> that is so important >> well I don't this can be brought down to >> my characterize it bring it down bring the square footage down >> my nose that manufactured anymore

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>> they're very well built now you know they're not like the old days where it was like slap it up and >> they're very um >> they never slap on top of buildings like that in Las Vegas. >> No, I understand. >> They had craftsman who brought it from Europe to build them. It's like over

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street and l it's >> Oh yeah, >> those people brought it on ships and they did an incredible woodwork masters and the stonework that was done that is gone. >> Did you have a question? >> I broke. >> No, I just wanted to make a real estate uh comment.

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>> A real estate comment. >> So in the last um well the every decade the uh manufactured homes have become better and they actually stick build them

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inside not to the weather. >> So they're prefab if you will, but they're just as good as if they were being built outside, >> but they don't get the weather. So

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that's I mean something to look at because your budget wise it's not like the old days. >> What's the name of that? >> I'm going to find out and give it to you. I'll send it to you. I don't know if it's my one but >> yeah I would too. I would have changed.

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>> We greatly appreciate your time and your input. >> We appreciate you coming. I wish you come earlier. >> Yeah, but you know >> live and you learn. >> You're living. Yes. Thank you very much. We're all moving forward. You know, we can make, you know, whatever we got to do. >> So, I have your email so I can send you

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what you need and you can send me >> something and send him that better picture that we have. Okay. >> Thank you so much for sending it to >> Okay, >> you're welcome to take these. >> Yeah, just for now

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>> and then we'll get something better. So like I do have pictures of it. Um it wore it was demolished was see it was a fire. >> Yeah. >> When I was arriving >> but you guys remember Douggee Wilkins

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had just got done painting it. >> Doug was on that almost a year painting leaf. You should know that somebody burns down the building. >> Oh dear.

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Look at this everybody. This is perfect. >> It is not going to look better. scheduleank one building that total 100 million or whatever it is.

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>> We're still in the building that >> wasn't good. That's true. >> We'll get there. Oh, it's Yeah, I mean it's we want to work with you because that understand that's what everybody has said is like

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>> sorry that >> yeah why don't you go to historic district commissioner and ask them >> in the very beginning but that's all right we'll move forward so we'll hear from us and then we'll set a date >> thank you for your time

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it off as mayor. Good to see you. >> I think it's salvageable. >> I do. >> I live at 42 West Meadow Road. If you want to come up, take a look at the house. It's beautiful. >> You can get garlic, too. >> Is it affordable?

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>> Shrunk down. We know it's insured. Well, that's good to know. >> All right. >> I don't even know what's next. >> Other roof. >> Other roof. for the roof. So, I just want to let you know that on the roof,

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as you know, Honeyland wanted to repair that. They called the roof. I signed off on that because it's like So, that's I just wanted to let you know. I'm going to bring that in. If you get it from the inspector, we'll all sign it.

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>> Um, can we put off the confirmation on the door? Oh, do you? >> Yeah. Bye, father. Thank you. >> Take care. It's just uh you can take it home and read it if you don't want to spend time here. >> I just got a quote $140 for 250. That's

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pretty reasonable. >> My friend Jose has given us a deal. The postcards are $170. Well, you need 100, right? >> But the most 4x6. I'm sorry. >> Yeah. The most important thing is I need a good picture. Someone's given me that.

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No, that's right. Because I'm thinking about taking a picture of >> I really like West Town when the trees come out. >> You know, now when the trees are coming out, just kind of like a boulevard shot on either I need it electronically if

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you want me to take it. >> Okay. I'll let you know. I'll tell you where you take it. >> I'll take a ride. Just don't include the brick door. >> It would be taken ideally with a nice camera versus phone. But I mean, our phone cameras are pretty good.

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>> They're pretty good. >> Yeah. And I have a brand new phone, so I'm going to let him take the picture. >> Well, it doesn't matter. I just need it to send to Jose and then he can do a mockup. So, even if it's not the perfect picture, but he did say the pixels kind of are important for printing.

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>> Correct. Yeah, that is true. Um, so it's either going to be West Townsen on the side where they have all the colonial with the with the columns, you know, where Mary Jane Krueger and on the as you go west past the brick door

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>> that before the Baptist church. >> I just think that's a nice shot. The other shot is um around the common >> right >> for the postcard that >> for the postcard. I mean, >> so we're looking for the most desirable and favorite building in of the group

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>> of the historic >> district. And then do we have to get their permission? Well, if we do a a shot, you all right? Yep. Then we don't need permission because we'll be doing a public shot on it. >> Send them the picture of the right. >> No.

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No. Well, we don't need a single house. We can do a >> a group >> the group shot or neighbor a neighbor. No, the Leos isn't part of the H. >> No. >> Wait, how many feet did that come? Sure. >> BFW BFW76 didn't get included. That's a shame.

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>> I know. It was kind of a mockup cuz someone had sent that out recently. >> That building was beautiful inside. >> What? OS. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh my god. It was phenomenal.

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>> Cuz of course Jamie and Rald were my best friends. And >> Oh yeah. They all lived there. >> There was a that was called the Joslyn Bell in it. It was a in >> in my house was where they put horses where they did all the veget. That's

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where they would put the horses. All the workers were there >> and that's they worked in >> harmony like we do. I didn't know that. That That's interesting. >> See, little bit.

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>> Yeah, you're getting it. on a on a postcard. Would you do insets like do like >> Oh, where's the >> Oh, so um the guy from that did the work

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for TAM for the annual meeting >> that has three shots. >> Oh, it does. >> And all three shots was um >> three districts, right? the three district. Oh, >> perfect. Can we ask him to email it? Was it Dave?

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>> Eric Dresser. >> Okay. >> Um, you guys didn't have it. It was part of team camp, >> but I'll I'll give it to you. Just email. >> Oh, that's beautiful. >> It was one of the slides at the annual meeting. Can you presentation?

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>> Yeah, email that to me if you can because I again I just want to send you guys all a mockup. See if that works. Oh, I think that's >> actually Jose will do two. He'll do both, but it's like $30. Did it say on there? For 30 minutes of work. $40.

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>> It's on my hand at the bottom. >> $40 for 30 minutes of work. >> Yeah. >> I mean, that's for the >> I think that's very good. >> Yeah. >> If you if you give it to >> Oh, yeah. This is a very small project.

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Um, so but yeah, if you can get me that, I'll have to mock it up and then >> Oh, Lori, that's great. Thanks. Yeah, for the idea. You're on top of things. >> So, where are we going to be having the HDC Historic Society barbecue this year? >> What?

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>> Oh, so it's a big surprise. >> Yeah, >> be a drinking and eating. >> We don't We say that conservation. Oh, you're gonna everybody at every meeting. >> Oh,

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>> we've thrown a party. >> You're missing the Roy Farm. >> Are we done? Are we recording? >> I'd like a motion to make second. >> So, we don't have time yet.

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>> Anything more to talk about? >> 100% exasperate one another. >> Oh, yeah. The next meeting. Next meeting. already done that. But >> I don't Five is horrible. >> Five is not good. But all right. So we

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we have three sixes and three threes. >> Kathy, you're going to have to break the tie. >> But I'm not a voting member. >> Not a voting member. >> I mean, I like 3:00 better, but that's just you. >> I don't know. I think you're going to

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have a public compromise even more. >> But you kind of understand where it's >> it's helpful especially for me cuz it's summertime and I need all my daylight. >> I get it. >> Marie's got the team and >> I get it. I get it. I get it. But yet I

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get I get it. But I just >> I just don't think five is a good time. If we're having a meeting like this, they uh what kind of a meeting do we want to call it? So public hearing. >> No, the work session is >> the next.

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>> No, it's not talking. >> Public hearings we hold in the evening. >> Oh, okay. >> In meetings, informational meetings such as this today >> where we took no votes. >> That was working.

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>> We do at 3:00 in the morning. >> Oh, all right then. So, we'll do 7 o'clock then on >> That's what I think. All right. 7 o'clock on June 11th Thursday >> of the all the kids. >> No, we don't. I mean, no, but then June

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11th at 7:00. >> Okay, that's fine. I'm fine with that. >> I'd rather it just be >> Stop it. Oh, we're going to kick you. It's going to be a sunrise. >> That works because

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park during the day >> that's coming. What's her name? >> She has a little She has a little one. >> I don't know. >> Yeah, she does cuz she talked about the stone wall protecting her son from the road. >> So maybe evening would be better. >> What stone?

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>> We're making a decision. We've had it. I make a motion that all public hearings are at 7 in front of us at this moment. >> That's 7 7 p.m.

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Motion. Do I have a second? Second. >> Did I get it? >> Thank you. >> And any further discussion? >> Thank you. Not hearing any carry vote. >> Fel yes. Yes. scholarship. Yes.

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>> James, >> yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Church. So, yes. Fine. Great. Now, Maddie motion >> 615 620 62. >> So, the barbecue will be at my house.

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>> So, 21. Wait. Second. Second. >> What? I'll second. >> Oh, no. They all they voted over. >> I did. >> Oh, no. That was just for the meeting. >> Oh, that was the meeting time. Okay. Sorry.

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>> Maria Maria. Yes. Thank you very much everybody. Good evening. >> Thank you TK. >> Thank you.