Good afternoon. Thank you all for coming. I'm going to call the meeting of the 8 historic district commission to order at 3:04 p.m. to order. Can I have the attending commissioner's
voice here? Maria Milicanin here. here and Mary Jane Church will present. Mr. >> This is July minutes. Okay. July agenda.
Okay. I have no additions and deletions. We do not have the minutes. So I would like someone to make a motion to delay the October reviewing the October minutes until the December meeting. >> So moved. >> Thank you.
>> Second. Thank you, Jerry. May I have a vote, a discussion? Anybody problem with that? >> Can I please have a vote, pass? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Thank you very much. Unanimous. Now, we have the work session.
So, I really wish other people were here, but that's okay. We can move forward. The work session is about the fees that we've been talking about for like how many years Jerry and
So this is article uh mass general law 4C and this happens to be section 13 which is the jurisdiction of superior court and penalties. And just for a little backstory on this if you remember we had the big issue
with the building commissioner on enforcement. So, I did some more research and found out that we in fact are the enforcing agents for the commission and we can set our fees. We don't have to go through whatever you
guys are going to go through with the planning commission and find out how they got there. No one says that we can set our own fees. It's set our own fees. So, I would like to do that sooner rather than later. You want to set it by category? I I I I mean what whatever we decide. So
what what do you think the choices are? You're saying category meaning >> I would say category um severe and you know less severe and >> oh some things are more severe than others. >> Okay. Category of severity.
>> Oh we could do it that according to um time of infringement. If it's one day, two days, three days. >> Oh, well, we're allowed to go each, we allowed to go per dam. >> So, if they if if we say that we find,
let's just use for example the trestle. So, remember they put the the rails up. Yeah. So, that day one was not discovered wasn't discovered day one. It was
discovered after the fact. So when we brought it up to the building commissioner that we didn't have to we could have imposed them right there at that day. So by the time we found it like say day three >> but we can't go back in time at all. We
have to identify it >> notify and then set the fee. Give a give a what's the word? Um fix um let them determine yeah a determination. Then they have a period to fix it. say 30 days or 15 days.
>> I'm sorry. Could we back up? I do recall being on a meeting where I um was hearing about the issue with the trestle and there was a determination by a lawyer that was present that said it wasn't >> something that should be controlled or determined by the historic district,
right? And that's where it was left off. >> Okay. So, can you give me a brief background? on that example the bu the building inspector or commissioner said that that trestle was not in the historic district. >> Oh, okay. That was >> and then Bill ride out who's not a
lawyer. He's just a person. He confirmed >> based on I don't know what. So I sent a letter to the department to the state from the state and asked for determination by the state. >> I did not get that determination timely.
The building commissioner had already said it's not in. They put the rails up. I appealed it and then we the letter came from the state >> saying that it was absolutely in the >> it was in the historic district. So
state determination was that >> the trestles are in >> it is in district. >> The historic district. And what is the history? But I I'm pretty quick and I'll catch on quickly. What is the historic district's problem with the trestle
again? >> Well, one is the vision of it because the vision and the trestle a trestle does not have >> Oh, the ultimate problem. >> Well, the real problem is go ahead that
an application for a certificate of appropriate purpose. Right. It was not a file for >> of appropriate method. >> Yeah. So, we'll give you a cliff note on this. So, our board meets [clears throat] for
specifically to enforce the architectural integrity of those buildings within our districts, >> the buildings. >> Correct. >> Right. >> In any structure above ground. >> So, it could be a bridge, it could be a
>> a statue, could be a dam, anything. So what the process is that a person who wants to do work on their property to change the exterior, we don't care about what goes on, but exterior has to Oh, I have one right here. >> File a certificate of appropriate
request. >> It's an application for it. >> Okay. >> Then we have a public hearing. >> Mhm. >> And then the board discusses it. We make a determination and we issue either an application >> for appropriateness. Yeah. or a certificate of hardship if they have
issues that they can't be in compliance or a certificate of nonapplicability, >> meaning you don't approve of it. >> Correct. >> Okay. And the build No. Oh, it doesn't mean that, Claire. No. Non applicability. >> Oh, it doesn't apply. We don't have jurisdiction.
>> It's you're just doing maintenance. >> So, you're not really doing anything different to the bill. >> So, if you deny it, >> how does that we don't issue this? And we would say not issue that. Okay. And then each member signs it and how they voted >> the member of this board
>> of this board. And then this document goes to the building commission and he's not allowed to issue a building permit unless there is a certificate of appropriateness issued. >> Okay. >> So historic district approves or it
doesn't approve and then the building commissioner >> takes his lead, >> delivers the news to the person. Okay. Correct. Well, we deliver the news too. Okay. >> We we send our determination to the person. >> Okay. >> Mostly people come to our meetings.
>> Yeah. They usually come and go to it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So that's in a nutshell. That's our process. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> So here to for we've never So we've had people violate things, but we've never had an enforcing
>> mechanism in place >> to find someone who doesn't follow the rules. That's why you're Yes. It's not only the process, but then we have that we have a couple of buildings where people have violated. We've told them about it. >> I want to tell you who it's Sunny's
store up there, West Towns. He's a, you know, repeat offender. And >> we haven't had any teeth. You know, it's like send a letter. He takes the sign down for two minutes and he puts a five back up. So, we fight that constantly. >> The Trump signs or whatever it is. No,
actually it's um >> or is that across the street? >> This is up. You know where the brick store is in West? Okay. He has all You're only allowed two signs on your property. >> The brick store or the one next to it? >> The brick store. The the brick one. >> He's got soda, beer.
>> Oh, gotcha. >> You know, all kinds of stuff. And he's only really allowed to have two max clear and they're supposed to be wooden and there's rules about it. Mhm. >> So we feel that if we have the this if we exhort this force something financial
maybe >> people will follow >> people will say oh okay yeah >> so this says in summary I read it but I was distracted that you we can find up to $500 a day >> correct >> to someone who's in violation >> correct
>> from when they started doing the violation. Well, I think that's what we have to determine because we're never going to know when it really started unless we're policing controlling, you know, doing the whole thing. >> But I think when it comes to our attention
>> and then we notify them and give them a grace period of say 15 days to cure it and if they don't cure it within that 15 days, then I think we can start the clock ticking with a fine. >> So what's at hand now? the trestle. Are
there multiple? >> Well, no, that's a whole that's bottom of the damn kind of way. Okay, >> that's a whole other issue that we're working with state on because that that's a whole other issue. This would be moving forward. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. Because we we really can't go back
and collect debt like that. But moving forward, like I bet you if we drove by the brick store today, I bet you they have 10 signs out there, >> you know, probably. Yeah. >> And those include signs saying the brick store. Well, yeah, because that's really the only legitimate one he has,
>> right? >> And we've sent the building inspector there >> past couple years. All different inspectors. >> Do you mind telling me the relationship between your organization and the building inspector? Are you friendly? Do you get along? >> We used to be, but um he's taken a
position that's very different than the other building inspectors always. We had a great relationship with them. We never had they were all Eric was great. Dana was wonderful. >> Richard Richard was >> they've been great. This new one.
>> It's not like they were. >> Okay. So, you're there's some there's some problems and I'm sensing some. >> We're not Well, yeah. When he tells us that we don't have jurisdiction over a historic district and I have to go to the state >> that Yeah. I witnessed on that first
meeting I think that I zoomed in on a little confused. >> Well, did you see his apology at the zoning? >> No. >> Yeah. [clears throat] >> So, he had to apologize which was I gave him kudos for that. But the point was that we're all at the same level here and we should be working together. He
shouldn't dig in. >> And I specifically asked him to please wait to make a determination until I had received state's determination and he didn't. So, I don't think that was cooperative, >> but you know, it is we have to live with
what we got, right? >> Well, maybe not, but unfortunately, >> yeah, you do. >> So, anyway, I really want to put I want to put these fines in place because it gives us legitimacy, I think, in today's world, right? >> You know, the handshake thing isn't
working anymore. >> You know, it's a whole another world. >> It's a whole another world. I I I hate to be the enforcer, but I I I don't think we're going to move forward unless it happens, >> right? >> And I think the the biggest offender
would be the person who starts the job without even asking submitting an application because Janet's got something in place. The building inspector has in place a red flag to red flag historic properties. >> Who's the building inspector?
Bob, Bob the Builder, >> Bob Garside, Robert Garside. >> And who's Janet? >> Janet is his assistant. >> And Janet had worked with the prior commission chair to put in place
>> a red flag situation. So if you have a property in the historic district >> and you want to get a building permit to put a new porch on, >> you go to the building office. Janet will look your property up on your property card >> and it will be
>> red flag historic district. Janet knows at that point that she should put tell the client the applicant you've got to apply through the historic commission. She just did that today. We have one. >> Oh, we do. Yeah. >> Well, we're not we can't discuss it today because it's not on the agenda.
But this is an example, Maria. So, this woman, her name is Dawn >> and she has a property. This is a settle shop. >> Oh yeah. >> You know where settle shop is. So she wants to put in a bridal shop there. >> Oh interesting. >> Wonderful. I mean you know great retail
stuff. So she wants to put a sign up >> and she wants to put a sign on her door but and and a meticulous application by the way everybody. >> I mean she's got pictures. She's got >> oh >> all kinds of stuff. She did a real nice job and she wanted to talk about it
today but we can't. I had to explain to her that we couldn't because it's not on the agenda. >> But um this is our next >> okay which is interesting. >> So and there's like quirks with this because they didn't get approval for
this sign that they have for salt and stage. >> Is it the same person? >> Do they know though? Like is that an innocent oversight? >> Uh does they have a shop in Lemonster? >> They do. >> Yeah, they do. down by the back of the mall. >> Yeah, it's lovely. And that's it's
staged. It's not No, it wasn't her. It No, she No. What happened was the board dropped the ball and didn't get back to her in a timely fashion. That's what happened. >> So, she put he Phil and
>> I don't know the girl's name, >> but they put the sign up. Remember that? It was a big kind of market. >> We didn't get back to them. >> No, not time. Not within the 30 60day rule. >> I mean, it's lovely. It's not an eyes sore. >> I No, I know that. But that's another
thing. >> Okay. I Yeah, there's rules. It can only be so big. It has to be wooden and it has >> So, because you didn't get back, you're kind of stuck with it, >> right? But now we're revisiting it. >> Mhm.
>> So, I'm sure. >> So, we got to be careful with that. You know what I mean? Because we can't keep >> Is that the same? Right. >> Is that the same owner? >> The same owner but a different lease. >> Right. Understood. Yeah.
>> So this lady is coming before us in a timely way. These people didn't and we missed the window. >> Mhm. >> So I told you that I said, you know, it might be a little bit complicated. At any rate, we got to have a public hearing on this one.
So, our rules are we have if if it's not inind for inkind, okay, if you're not putting a new roof on, repaint the residing with the same, >> but you have to hold a public hearing because the neighbors have a right >> to disagree with what's going on.
>> So, I will have to send out a notice of the public hearing. It has to be a 14-day period, right? >> I believe so. over there. I think it's 14 days. And then we convene here with the public. The public gets a chance to speak and
say how they feel about the sign. That's why it's important that we have pictures because we really want to let the public know what they're going to be looking at in their neighborhood. I think that sign is, you know, I hate to say I think it's a pretty good idea. You know, I shouldn't be influencing. >> And so you invite the general public to
what forum? >> To the public hearing to discuss this applicant >> at your meeting? >> Yes. We special need. No, no, no, no. Special need. It's a special question from someone who's younger in the community with a family, busy working
full-time, kids, teenagers. How do you communicate to the community? >> Well, I curious. >> I send um You mean to let them know that we're >> What's going on? Well, I send out if we're going to have
a public hearing, I do return receipt, mail >> mailers. I do mailers. >> That's That's good. I don't ever see a mailer. [clears throat] >> No, no, no, no. >> I've never seen a mailer. >> No, that's just for um >> We've had ongoing conversations for
months, years about that very issue, Maria. And what happened was we were going to put postcards out. There's only 100 properties in the district. The three districts only >> I see. So you're only worried about the people in the district historic
district. Understood. That's not a lot. >> No. So we wanted to do a postcard and we had a discussion about language. This one didn't like it. That one wanted more. But so the months ticked by we didn't get the job done and we lost our
funding >> to send the mail. >> To send the mail. So now we're like stuck. So that's one of the items on the agenda that I want to talk about. >> So how would you So you're not notifying the hundred properties?
>> Not at this point. We're not. No. And no. And one of the >> Seems you could get an email address and send an email. That's free. >> Right. But we'd have to get permission to do that because you know what I mean? That would be using public information and I think you have to let people know
>> if they opt in. >> Right. Right. But I don't know what they would opt into would be sharing. >> Remember, we're the town from the town. We're a town organization. So, they have to opt to let their public information be accessed by everybody.
>> What would their information be that's accessed? Just the fact that they're in the historic district. >> That's all we care about. But I don't >> We don't need their names, date of birth, anything else. We just need an email address to communicate with them. I only think it's fair. >> Oh, no. I I think it's fair, too. We've
been, like I said, we've been trying to do >> we do communicate with the abundance by sending them formal what neighbors. That's really all you don't have to you don't have to I mean two or three streets down. >> You don't have to have everyone in attendance. Okay. So, um
>> but the board is in attendance and the abutters are in attendance. Yeah. and the applicant and anybody else who might want to come on behalf of them because you remember when we had the red house in West Towns and a couple of people across this who were not about to
show up. So some people do keep their eye on what's going on and of course they can watch these meetings on YouTube right >> and they can go online to the town and find out when our meetings are what's going on but our bylaws are on >> right >> all that. So, but I we did reach out to
the real estate agents at one point and we asked the um board of realtors to flag their people to let them know that we have a historic district. >> Mhm. >> The problem was that not all real estate agents belong to the multilist, you know, or to these associations. So, I
don't know how effective that was. And we have a lot of people now real estate agents from out of town. They're not all local. So in getting back to the madam chair >> yes >> in may I please call >> yes
>> in response to your question how do people know what's going on >> I would say and I have said go to the town's website >> in in the calendar it shows when the
meetings are >> I understand this is a topic for another day and I'd love to help this town, spread the word, communicate, get more involvement from young families. >> Mhm. Oh, so would we. >> People my age in their 40s with
teenagers aren't going to go to the town's website. I hate to tell you. >> Well, that's where they're going to find it. >> I get it. And if they're interested, >> they go to the high school website. >> Yep. >> If they're interested in the town buildings, they have to go to the town. >> I just wish there was another way to
communicate besides Facebook. I'm just expressing my >> Oh, I'm like so not I'm not even on Facebook. >> Neither are people my age. >> Yeah, I I wouldn't even know how to do that. But I think that that's not only a problem for our >> Oh, I'm talking a town at large. >> This is not only town but also private
societies, you know, the communication, no newspaper. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's not >> we need a small town news. I work in Graten and my husband keeps on saying Towns and Needs Grald. >> We had Yeah, you have the Graten Herald which is great.
>> Towns and needs that. We had one. >> We opened. >> When did it go away? >> Well, we're still I guess at that >> voice. Yeah, the voice. >> No, no, no. That's a conglomerate at Roll >> Nice to have something like that. >> We had one for years at a brand.
>> No. What's your husband do? My husband Drew um he works for Sandy Hook Promise which is a nonprofit that came out of the school shooting in community. >> And he is a manager so he >> but he doesn't do like promotional but
he couldn't help do a newspaper for us. >> He's very smart. He's very He's getting his PhD. I mean there's a potential that you know we could pick his brain but he's a busy guy. We have two teenagers and he has a very demanding job and so do I. >> Yeah. So, this is my little like trying
to get involved. Oh, >> I'm a woman and you know women can multitask and men can't. So, well, [laughter] >> but I mean he'd love to see it. So, I think we could probably get other people on board more if >> I I think that that's worth the conversation outside. >> Outside. Yeah. I'm not trying to waste
your time. >> No, no, no, no, no. I think it's a valid conversation that is that's dire need >> because our friends don't even know when to show up and vote. I mean, and shame on them because we do, but it's like >> But it's still the issue. >> We'll have to get a clue. >> Yeah. But I get it. If you can pick up a
free magnet or pay Yeah. a dollar for a newspaper towards it. I don't know what Gruntton's pay, but you're right. Grton does have it. >> Yeah. And it's good. So, how do you want to work this with the um fees? Do you want to um bring it up with another
discussion where we each person has input on $100 a day, $25? Where do you want to start? Where do you want to end up? >> Well, I I think that you know what you could start lower and if there's nothing done, then
>> $10 is the lowest it says and 500's the highest. I start at 25 and give it a couple days and then regress from there. >> True. After >> whatever 10 or so we we find out about the violation but typically you don't
think it's a violation. >> Well, that's another thing. I think we should have a down. >> Yeah, I think we should have a down path for someone who starts a job without >> an [clears throat] application because I think that's huge. That's a pet peeve with me because that then they say, "Oh, you let so and so do it." You know, that
could like really ruin the whole process. So, I think that should be a bitter. >> Yes. A substantial. >> Can you have a scale like that like specific rules? >> Yes, we can do wide open. Yeah, it's wide open. >> The state has different fees. So,
>> so we could take a look at some other towns maybe if we want to. I don't want to drag this out forever though. I'd like to get the fees in place by January. I really, really would. I think that would be a big accomplishment for this year's board. Um, and you know, we're growing,
strangely, strangely enough, we are growing and um, I think we might be getting more historic. I mean, there's been a lot of historic like West Towns is pretty much cleaned up except for that blue building next to the settle shop, you know, with people doing work.
Um, the harbor's the harbor. We can't tell any about that. The the center is pretty much done. >> I have a question. Of those hund, you said 100 properties. >> Yes. >> When was that set up? And does that get
revisited? Like, did new properties get entered in? >> Well, it was set up in the 70s >> and the district has been defined by the state. And if you go online, you will see that we have a little website that shows
where the districts are and what houses are in it. >> Those now, if a house, it will get tricky. Okay, Pratts, right? They just had a fire. They're on the cusp on the railroad tracks in West
Towns. They just had a fire. They want to renew their property. That's going to have to come before us. >> Does that go every year? >> No. They had a a um fire. >> So if that happens, they have to be >> they were going to have to come before us when they want to build their house.
They came before us to put in temporary housing. And we said, "Okay." And temporary housing mean they've got a trailer there or something. the way to West. >> It's hard for me to say because I only can think of the garage, Patterson's garage, but that so when you're heading
to West Townsen, you're going to go over the railroad tracks right after the D bus. You know what DB bus is? >> Oh, yeah. >> So, you pass Dus >> and then you're going to go over the railroad tracks on the right hand side. There was a big white farmhouse >> and it also has a little out building
>> and it had a huge fire this summer >> and They will be coming to us because they're going to re they want to rebuild. So we will have to look at the plans. That would be a big >> and approve what they wanted to do. >> Right. Exactly. Now they're not ready
for that and at this point yet. But I can't think of any place because these historic districts were pretty much the town areas. So there's not a lot of adding like you know what's going to come up to us? I tell everybody this,
the AUDs, the auxiliary dwell dwellings that the that the governor allowed >> that can override zoning, >> those will come up ADUs and and and there is a webinar for us for ADUs. >> So, you're saying if a historic property wants to build one in their backyard,
>> they have to get approved. >> They have to get approved and and and the state has also set down rules. And when we get an application of that sort, which I'm sure we will in the next year, I'll let you know about that um [clears throat] webinar so everybody >> I'm surprised there's only a hundred
properties cuz we have what 9,000 residents. Oh, really? >> Right. >> But remember historic now you can bring other properties in. Now we have um historic homes in the
town like it's like class. So, there's the districts that were outlined in 1976 to protect those little town type areas, but then the state of Massachusetts allows certain buildings to be a part of
>> what they call the historic, >> not New England, but historic homes >> and you get on their website. You have to fill out a form. You have to get approved and then they'll put it up and that's called MAC. M A C R I S if you want to check it out. So you could have
a house example Worcester Road and one and and 13 or I don't know the big Worester Road and Elm Street. There's a big farmhouse there that's known as the Wood Farm. It's been around since the 1700s that is on the Massachusetts
slate. >> Not the town's been historic. >> You're right. It's not in the district, but it's historic house. My house that I live on, Main Street, I'm not in the district, but my house is historic. So, you're not governed by our rules?
>> And did you do that through application and like intentionally do that? >> Yes. >> I see. >> Yes. >> Yep. So, if you're in a house that's fits the criteria, but it's not within the district, >> you can apply directly to the state and be a part of their match
>> and then you follow their rules. Town's rules. Got it. >> Right. And you know then you can even be on the national are you on the national register. >> You're on the state and you're in the district, right? >> So you have two strikes against you, >> right?
>> So you see it as a strike, not a benefit. >> No. No. I think if people buy historic homes, they do it because they want to live in a historic home. >> I really do. We had a couple of blips a few years ago because we had flippers, you know, real estate flippers come in into the
historic district and without knowing it allegedly and we had that was a little bit of butdding heads with that >> because they want to flip and go, >> right? And you can't do that with a historic property. >> One of them wanted to take down a barn. We said, "Well, no."
>> So, um, we had to do a lot of investigating. We had appraisers come in, structural appra structural engineers came in, looked at it and said, "No, this can be this can be restored and she didn't take it down." >> Mhm. >> So, I mean, and that's part of the um
>> And your goal is to keep the community as it is and always has been >> architecturally. Mhm. >> In those districts. Yes. So, it's not the whole town. So, you get a subdivision. I mean, we have no control. Like you've got that little subdivision down there, Copper Wag.
>> Is that what it's called? That's a cute little subdivision. But and that will maybe be part of historic towns and >> 50 years from now. >> Right. >> Yeah. That that's a nice neat. >> It is. >> Um so we just have we're just protecting
what was there since 1976. Mhm. >> So that was when the hund properties >> between 76 and 78 because >> well it took a while. >> It took a while to get all three districts. We have three districts. One came Dura one came first. That's an
intelligent statement. Now it's a center and then two is the harbor and three is west. >> So that's that's the history of our commission in a nutshell. famous >> interesting. >> Thank you for asking. So for our next
meeting, can we all like put our heads together and get some how we want to do this with the Facebook >> and then we'll announce it and I got to figure out to your concern, Maria. How do we get it out there as a people? >> Yeah. >> How do we say on our website?
>> On our website. Good. Yeah. And then and and write it up for the child report >> registers to vote. Do they do you get an email address? >> No, no, no, we haven't. We haven't. Yeah.
>> Town report. I like that idea >> in the town website. >> But should should we ask Janet? Should we tell or not or not get involved with the building? >> Okay. >> How much does that 100 um letter
postcard mailing cost? Well, we never even got that far because we couldn't even get together on the language, which was horrific. But, um, I don't know what it costs. It's going to be $100 anyway, don't you think? For the postage, for the postage.
>> And you guys didn't have $100. >> Stone. >> No, we did. We did, but the commission didn't agree. Yeah. There was a lot of dissent about the land. >> Holy moly. [snorts] So anyway, I I really want to get that
squid away. >> And that would be a twofer because if we have fines, we should notify the people that have their houses in the district, which would give them which would give us an opportunity to let them know they're in the district. >> Oh, so you think a lot of these 100
property owners don't even know they're in the district? >> Oh, I think they don't. >> Oh, the 75% risk. I mean that's maybe 75%. >> Yeah, I'm thinking that the probably the
weakest district would be West House and >> some of them. I mean, >> wow, that's the biggest district. It goes from the railroad tracks all the way to the VFW. >> I would say if there's any mission of this organization, it would be to make those people aware that they're in. I
mean, whether we put a little card on their front doorstep or like a piece of chocolate that says, "Hey, congratulations." >> Yeah. I mean, I do it as a Christmas. >> Do you think people would be upset by that? We talked about the door and that was not
>> the mailbox. You can't touch >> you can't touch mailb blocks but the door knockers people's the commission at the time other people who weren't present you know said no that's not a good idea because it's going on people's property there's liability you know the people get all
>> wound up that's why a mailer is better >> yeah so I think we have to bite the bullet this year >> but if we're going to do it we might as well have this fine in there make some money now do you what is in your budget or your account >> we have no zero >> zero borrow money
>> because we really don't have the only thing we have to do is um when we have this open hearing or public hearing I will send out everything and I give my receipts to the um
it's not there anymore. >> I used to give them to the account when I was over there. >> I don't know who Katie's gone. So I I don't know who I'll give them to >> because I mean to somebody down there, isn't it? >> That girl works part time. I don't know.
>> I'll talk to Melissa and they talk to >> Yeah, sure. But yeah, because we have to do it. I mean, they have to do it. >> Yeah. Great. So, let's do that for the December meeting.
So, let's move on to our discussed secretary position. Who wants to sign up to be the secretary? >> So, you're really going to have a meeting on December 25th? >> No. No. >> No. Third. It's a second Thursday.
Second Thursday. >> Are we on the third right now? >> No. Thursday. Second Thursday. >> November. Yeah. So one. Yeah. Second. Okay. So 12 11. >> 11. Yeah. December.
>> Okay. I was gonna say [laughter] Yeah. No. No. No way. All right. Now all by yourself. >> Secretary. So the choices for secretary are Claire, Jerry, Maria, Jamie Duran,
who's not here, >> who? >> Jim. Oh. Oh. Jim. Yeah. I haven't met him in person, but I've seen him on the Zooms. >> Yeah, he he is one. And Laura Shiffren. Those are the choices. >> Isn't there another member? What's her
name? >> Laura Shiffren. >> No. >> Oh, Susan Car. >> No. Another young woman that joined when I joined. Forget her name. >> She her name is Jen. And >> she Oh, Jen Rallet. >> This is her fourth meeting that she went in. >> She can't make it on Thursdays because
she waitresses at 3. She can't make it Thursday at 3:00. She waitresses at 110. >> Tell us that. >> Uh, she told me she did. >> No, no, no, no. She never She never did. >> Yeah, she I'm telling you right now, she can't. I know her through town Soccer. Um, and she waitresses at the 110 Grill
in Lemonster every Thursday. >> So, she'll never be here on a Thursday. >> Okay. Oh, so then we're going to have to do something. >> Yeah. >> Well, Thursday starts kind of really our >> Yeah. We can't change her for one person. >> Yeah. Well, I'm just bringing >> Yeah, that was nice of you to tell us
because uh >> Yeah. Well, maybe she should belong to the historical society instead because when she put her app in, she wanted either one. >> Mhm. >> So, the historical society would be a better shot for her because that she can come anytime. >> Mhm. >> When she can
>> No, it's not a set. >> It depends on what committee she wants to be on and then she would go. They're not set at all. They have whenever the the committee can meet >> meet. It's not a set. >> Yeah. >> All right. I'll send her an email and give her a little >> Yeah.
>> thing. Thanks for letting me know about that. I appreciate that. >> Yeah. >> Um, so that's letters to the And now moving on, sent. >> So, wait, you didn't talk about So, you talked about you brought up the secretary. What are the positions right now? >> Just secretary. That's all we need. >> Who's appointed to what position?
>> I'm the chairing. >> Yep. >> You only need a chair and a secretary. Oh, you don't have like a treasure or vice >> I'm not gonna volunteer today. >> So, can we >> I'm the secretary for my kids Apple Wild School parents association and I have a
full-time job and so I have a lot on my plate. >> So, >> but if you're in a pickle someday I was talking to ethics about this issue. >> Yeah. because we don't have a secretary was strongly recommending that if we can't get anyone from the board that we're allowed to get someone who's not
on the board like Beth Jackson is to the conservation. >> Right. >> So if any >> sit in and just type note, >> right? Or they can go by Zoom and just keep it all honest. >> Oh, cuz they're recording anyway. So they can listen whenever they're
>> typing then. No. Now I don't know if does Beth receive the same an employee [clears throat] of the town. >> Yeah. >> Huge conservation. All of them. >> So she so essentially Okay. If they
>> So would it become part of her paid hours? >> I could never ask Beth. She's like so >> talked with conservation and land use. I mean, that's next level. All right. So, >> I I'll take it for the meantime. >> In the meantime is
>> doesn't make me feel guilty. >> I'm not making you feel guilty. I'm not trying to >> because the good news is you can watch the YouTube. That's the good news. [laughter] >> Time. Right. Right. When you're sitting there instead of hooking a rug, you can
watch the YouTube of the meeting. >> Yeah. >> So, what do you do with your notes? Where do you file that? Do you type them up and keep them in like a online? >> They're supposed to go online, but they haven't been put up for a while. And they're also stamped into the town clerk's office. You can get a copy of them in the town clerk's office.
>> So, they're in there and they should be online. I don't know if there is even a online place for them. >> I don't believe >> I don't think there's office. >> They're only in the clerk's office. Yeah. >> But they should be online, I think. Don't you?
>> Well, why not everything else that >> Yeah. upload a Google, >> but I don't know how we would I'd have to talk to Harrison about how we do that. Okay, I'm going to I'm going to do that though. >> You just create a page where you could upload the file. >> Yeah, they would have to create the page
for us and then you could upload the file >> minutes. Yeah, I think they should be. >> So, Claire, you want to take it over until the end of the year? >> That's December. >> Yeah. >> Two months. >> Did you take notes today? [laughter]
Did >> you're >> She did. >> You have to watch the thing. >> Maria, >> I'm going to France in a week. I can't do those. >> How wonderful. How lucky you are. Oh, I hope you have okay on the planes. >> They're back in session today. So, I
would hope by next week things are back up and running. >> How long are you going for? >> Uh the 20th through the 28th. Nine full days. I guess >> I put you down. going to be in a minute. >> I'm sure you would enjoy it.
>> I appreciate that. Thank you very much. District appreciates it. >> So, the letter to the residents skill. Okay. We're going to revisit the letter to the residents after we make our
decision about the fees so that the fees can be included in our resident letter. Does that sound like a plan? >> Because that's who it pertains to essentially. >> Correct. and only. You're right. 100%. >> All right. Wow.
Moving right along. >> Yeah. Holy moly. 46 minutes. Next day, Maria said it. Was it the 13th? >> 11. >> 11, I believe. Yeah. >> That good with everyone. Is there anything you want me to add to the next meeting to agenda that we can
talk to because we're going to be discussing Oh, no. We can't discuss this. I'll let you know. The rule about the public hearing is you have to have 14 days. It has to be after 14 days. You can't have it before 14 days. >> 14 days after it being submitted,
>> correct? Yes. >> Wouldn't that make sense for next month? >> Um, we have to have the public hearing. Yes. I'll I'll do the public hearing soon as I can. I don't like to make people wait. >> So, you'll notify us via email or how >> Sure. Okay, >> I'll send you a copy of the um the
notice, >> okay? >> And then I'll let everybody know. And then I also send them a letter to say we don't want to we wave our right to attend. So we're not sitting around waiting for people to come who aren't coming. >> And then I have waiverss of
non-attendance and I have people who I assume are coming. >> So yeah. So, >> I will try to get the public hearing in before our next meeting so that we can meet and and put this to bed for
>> that sound fine because I I you know, she's just starting her business. I don't want to have to have her. >> No, we're going to do >> and a bridal shot. That's cool. Yeah. >> Okay. So can I have um
motion to return? >> Yeah, we don't have any other business. Oh, but I want to keep here for the rest of it. Thank you. Any discussion on a journey now? Can I please have a vote?
>> I was going to discuss. Oh, I'm sorry. Do we have Can we set a date for that applicant >> for the public hearing? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Does somebody have a calendar? Cuz I I do. >> So 14 days. Give me tomorrow. Give me
till Monday. What's 14 days from Monday? >> Let me tell you. So today is November 13th. Monday is the 17th. >> It's business day. >> December 1st. would be 14 days, >> not business days, right?
>> I just did 14 days would be December 1. >> Yeah. >> All right. I'll double check and see if that's within the the limits and I'll shoot for >> and then the 11th would be the next meeting.
>> Yeah, we could do the 8th for the public hearing. Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's the Monday. The following >> the 8th. That's the following Monday. >> All right. I didn't mean that. >> Oh, >> I think at that uh
the fourth is that the >> first is a Monday. The 4th is a Thursday. >> Oh, so the 4th of December >> is a week before our meeting. >> Okay. All right. I I'll shoot for the fourth. >> The fourth. >> Yeah, I'm shooting the fourth and then um otherwise we're going to run into I
know >> Christmas and all that business. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I would like to get this off before then or cuz she probably has plans for January 1, you know, ramping up. >> Okay. So again, we have a motion and a
second it. We've had discussion. Any more discussion on the public hearing or the new adjournment motion? You second, Carrie. If I did, okay, can I have a vote on adjournment? Yes. Gladi
church. Yes.