##VIDEO ID:KNzoqkOJRQA## good afternoon everybody thank you for coming to the meeting I would like to call it to order at what time is it 310 310 may I please have a roll call Julia St here Mary Jane church here and could I have you sign in because this is a public hearing um so this afternoon we're going to open the public hearing for the application of Jacob targ at 79 Main Street in towns and he wants to put solar on his roof he's in the historic district three in the harbor and I sent letters out to his AB Butters and I received two letters back to say that they wave their rights to the public hearing so I one a butter who has not returned this waiver and I'm assuming that means he's coming but he's not here okay who who would that be that would be J field t h i e l oh okay and he lives at across the street at8 78 J Jacob T no Jacob T is the appli oh so J Theo is the ab butter all right he's the only one that didn't respond yes and we didn't receive it back of the me no so I should open the public meeting correct I would yeah all right I I'd like to open the public meeting at this time at 7 I mean three three 15 11 it's only no 31 31 like to open that meeting could I please have you sign in for the public meeting thank you very much so we have a quorum oh here and should we give them a few more minutes to get here phone number I can call him sure is he the only thing on our agenda today yes oh yeah oh so he'll be out of here in five minutes I'll explain the minutes after okay um they're in the public meeting his phone number being Jake is 978 37657 I mean he doesn't have to be present us to act he doesn't have any pres no yeah doesn't actually have to respond either so but I'm worried about Mr pH because he could be on his way who Mr pH oh feel feel I'm more worried about him than the applicant because he's in a butter how what what's the how long do we wait for him to come and well I to me there's only three Butters right two I do I have my hand I would continue I would continue let's continue and just through with a non response that's what I'm going to say I'm going to close the public meeting because nobody came I have two responds from abutters there was three abutters respond the third but did not respond yet oh that's just for my that's just for the phone for the so I think we can close the public hearing can't we see that nobody showed up no we have oh I was going to close the meeting and then do the application okay we can still do it you are you gonna do it in the public yeah okay okay well I think we ought to read this because I'm not liking what I'm reading oh all right you have to read into the record what he applied at the public hearing yeah okay so we're still in the public hearing yeah okay so the applicant applied for the installation of interconnect rooftop PV system 23 410 watt panels 9.43 kilowatt DC no structural charges changes required no ESS which I have no idea what it is anybody know what ESS is I don't know but attached out the forms that I got um Jan showing what each of the yeah he shows up and it should be should be an explanation if you can read it um Jen said she couldn't been larger larger than they are but it shows on the second page of with something where the panels are going each side of the house was oh I see this yeah the second one is it showed you Main Street I see Main Street so part of the Fels are going to be seen from Main Street so his the front of his house is the shorter is Main Street they didn't put main streen on here so is mainstream on the front here right here right here right oh that's I I told Mary Jane I would I mean Janet I would explain it because she said she couldn't enlar onize it that's okay I see and then the other one show the panels on each side of that group okay so the one on Main Street would be the top on page three um and the bottom would be have I got it backwards so this is just the building this is the building that's the building correct this and this shows where it is on yes in Main Street yeah it is close to the road it is close you say e s yeah know what it is employ selfservice is what it comes up with so these what color they are are they black yeah they're always black they are now what they were they were silver to be oh I would well let me look assumtions I don't think they've had silver for a long time you see the solar Fields sometimes as Sil no idea what no structural changes VSS therefore I get FOC oh oh he authorized instead of authorization all right so I don't see the color has be oh well color doesn't matter for us though does it no no we're not supposed to we don't do anything with color we don't do color jry we don't do color okay I'm surprised WR in our rules what no color okay so you put up silver on you could put silver he could put green go brown brown mine it would show so I can't see it the issue that we really I don't think we have to worry about how well I guess the ABS don't have anything to say they're the ones who have to look at it I mean there is um an advisory from the state of Massachusetts to not prejudicially reject solar right now in this climate um both financially and of course otherwise but I and I guess we have to take that into consideration because of the economics of the whole eating situation so and and seeing that there aren't any other comments I mean two wavers and no comment from the third butter and this is his request I I make a motion to approve this request thank you I have a second one second okay do I have a discussion please please I want to know why he's doing his main move when they could be done on the L and not seen from the actually it's done on both Ro she's talking about the on the on the left hand side sides of the house on F that would be a question for the um in tell you why because you look you look at page two of the all the Elric boxes and everything on that side instead of here just okay do you see that clear I think that's a a very reasonable concern given a historic district except the house is is facing north that's why basic name that's why it's facing south north and south you only had it on the south I don't know why I would understand that but that's right so still be oh I see what you're saying because the north side is shaded yeah May well I don't know the not if there's trees there I no he doesn't have trees there he's got nice then goes like this so it's going to go over that other side as well right as and you're talking about the L side yeah I think he's no the upside it actually wouldn't because it's this way yeah okay so it's east west east and west that's right and you need salt no you don't need salt you need for the Sun real EST they always ask what's is the house facing south that's right it's it's got to be South it's got to be for okay I get that question all the time mine is east and west but I didn't care that question when I bought yeah okay so how do they face I think they face East and West oh they do because Meadow Road would be North and Main Street would be South so in facing that way the East and was east and west it was East and West yeah if I put them on my house I my house would have to be called and I looked into it sun oh they're in San Francisco they're they're local though there's a gentleman that deals with a locally I can't remember used to be for the to we call Jake and find out why you want me to call yeah give him a call well yeah why be addressed so Jake's phone number is Right 978 no I'm not 978 376 376 570 you do I'm not Ava to take your call now please your name number and message the mailbox is full and cannot accept any messages at this time goodbye want to table it or do you want you want to table it and I'll ask them to come well actually wanted it done is it's supposed to be an emergency that's why we're having emergency not an emergency yeah but I thought that's why we were meeting so Qui too yeah yeah we are for the building department yeah yeah J it's j I can say that Jan's emerc putting them on was knowwhere to put them I mean I'm sure this isn't the guys for his roding off when it no I you know what I I think you know seeing the person who's requesting the application is not even here that we do table it I know it's terrible all right so I'm sure he was noticed that we were meeting I sent a letter I sent I sent a notice in the mails as specifically can I may I ask what the purpose of Janet um ran well I don't know who there something about something about she has to issue a permit within so many days well she still has to wait it has to be after we make a decision on it that correct so that doesn't matter so she still has that time frame after we make the decision anything that she would have to do is delayed until we make the decision but that's not how she explaining to me she said she had 30 days I thought we discussed this at that according to decision we've made our decision that's what the state said CU I I sent letter to State asking that I I got nervous about it I thought well will she know anything more about the V is she here yeah she is here you want me to go talk to her don't you I don't think we need to talk to her at all I don't either because her decision is not based on until we finish doing our decision but I think we should table this until I'm sorry dragg you all here okay I even question we talked about this at another meeting that an emergency situation we would vote we would meet earlier okay otherwise otherwise we said we that's why we said every two weeks every two you know every so that can be her only emersion more to that that should down in 30 days it has be something more to the story well she said she was thinking of the person who's doing it but how can you put panels up at this time you can put it you can do oh God put well we're not gonna waste time I personally have had experience with sunr have been very GI okay Claire what was your question um that you why is the why is it on the on the main roof not the L tell you why it's on the main roof and it's because of the um if you look at even the caution about the multiple sources of power you can see where the power is on that main roof see everything is combined in that one area I don't have there yeah I have that but I don't have that right here yeah oh the air conditioning you're talking about the AG everything yeah and even even that if that little round circle thing is actual cable to I mean satellite so you're making the assumption that it's a situation of convenience because everything's right there well because the power is right there I'm sure that's probably what they were thinking about I'm just I I'm not electrican so but I assum that's probably everything is right there yeah we don't want to make assumption so what it does say in the last page to be cautious because it again addresses multiple sources of power at that one those one angle that one side of the house what does that mean that's electrical is yeah for electrical issues why does it say caution because um it's a terminals um sources utility R um all right so we need more information that's probably the best thing to do we need more information so we will uh at on the 13th is that going to be a problem for anybody that would have been our regular day if we didn't have this February 13th yes Valentine's Day probably but I don't know but um okay CL are you making a motion then to um table this I make a motion table do we have the proper information I second oh I can I please have a vote Yes Yes will Mary Jan yes move to close the public hearing I have a second 328 PM 328 one who seconded that sorry than you may please have a to close the Public Public hearing yes yes yes yes so officially the public hearing is closed I'm gonna contact Mr tar and his representative from sunroof whoever it is okay and we'll schedule them for the 13th at three okay okay1 make it after because we don't seem to down till 3:10 3 3:50 I'm going and we can do the before hand there won't be an actual hearing it'll just be a meeting with them right correct because we've had the public he and we have a report of who said what's neighbors yes I have nobody else wrote any emails or anything oh okay okay so now we are in the meeting yeah and jul you wanted to talk about I just wanted to let you know because I didn't know um when we're going to have another meeting if we're going to meet on the 14th and not but I I'm trying to get the me minutes out to you prior to the meetings so you have a chance to look at them and review them so that we don't take up time at the meetings okay so we have this now for the February 13th meeting okay is that right with you yeah that's fine with me I think that's great then we can read them there instead of here Y and then we can really pick them apart yeah and if I get really fancy with the emails I'll send it through the email you have to keep the everybody's signature on public okay any other business you got the letter list we can address the letter on the agenda for the third 14th 13 sign 13 oh the sign letter yeah I'll send it to everybody I have it in my email it's a letter that was sent to the owner of the Brick Store yeah a year two years ago or one year ago s it was when Eric chartran was the building inspector and he told him he had he told the owner that the signs had to be removed and he cited all the law oh so I can forward that to everybody now we discussed this at the last meeting yes and I wanted to get that information and now I have it okay and are we going to send I think we should I'm thinking well I thought you going to address the letter first I want to say yeah get yeah I just didn't get a chance maybe I can send it for Kathy if you want to wait a minute and I she can qued for me do you want to do that or do you want to wait we're here all right all right now I'm G to go I don't have my mouse I'm not going my M I'm just gonna have um I would like to yes I would like to address it absolutely um it was done through the building and insector not through the HDC so I'm wondering if I should speak with the building inspector and see how he wants to do it does he want to include the old letter as a reminder that this is not a new issue especially since it's the same person it's the same owner yeah yeah nothing changed on that end which is in which case perhaps we ought to lovey a a feet yeah but we only have we have we don't have have a we don't have schedule yet oh we know not that I know do we CL we could just randomly set a fee we've done that in the past really in permanent yeah I'd rather do that yeah have a set P first time first off second offense third yeah he already had his first offense right but I mean his first notice first notice we go to let me get this now I really he's been no as two years ago he doing the same thing the same thing it's the same his same owner yeah so I'm not sure where his well maybe it's maybe he forgot probably not but we'll give him the best of the doubt right this was he even opened years ago he was opened he was going to no he was not he was closed it was right after the closing he was closed down for yeah some point oh that's when he got on the market oh that's right it was on the market for minute look it up it was definitely on the market for is that when you got the letter the I want to see I got to see when the letter was because then it would be redone it would be the letter is very specific explicit sites uh Massachusetts general laws and towns and I was in Every Which Way January that that sign for the celestial thing whatever it is it's a sparkling fruit drink not a not any alcohol the sign that was on the front of his yeah it's a spk food yeah but he has like 50 signs yeah I know but I mean I was just we wonder oh you were concerned about that what the what it was alcohol it was yeah so does he what does he sell there mostly alcohol and um snack foods it's not a full it's not like like a little no no no no it's not like it used to be milk does he have a license he might oh I'm sure well the snacks would be packaged I'm sure no I think he has a license he owns the one downtown too you know in the center well still you still need a separate one sure there would yeah one for beer and wine so we'd have to use that one you couldn't have you'd have to come back to the select and have it even package you still have to have a I'm sure yes absolutely jul I'm telling you yeah I'm sure the board Heth is that's not a concern but I'm sure the Board of Health gave him a license I how he be that not find St well either way we just have a signs to deal with correct oh other people handle the other right please enough enough but it's going to be a little bit of a struggle we also have the sign issue on um tbling Farms too yeah but that hasn't come up yet we don't know what well I know that but we it had come up before and he took not make two sides so maybe that's always been an issue well we have to figure out how to make lot of issue because you know what it's really ugly are they proceeding with their ups I think so because actually yesterday we look up probably going to change anyway hopefully yeah maybe he'll take some of the lit signs to the um the lottery and The Kino and the gaming he might take that down I don't know what his plans are because I haven't seen he came to the Planning Commission but he had no reason to come to us so you would then consult again with the building inspector yes the same issue same is same law same just just to change the name yeah I'm so sorry I don't have I mean I have sry we could address it we could address it at the next meeting yeah yeah don't worry about it yeah feel bad about that just email it to us that's why couple weeks true all right is any other tell if you love fine oh yeah let's for for a day they can't afford that so things happen but do we have the authority to level yes okay I thought you said that you called and you do no no no I didn't call about bins I didn't call about Lins we hav ever fines before Oh you have gone to court before oh all right then we then look find out what happened or or you know that was done so that the records can be check yeah who was he uh the first the court case was uh Mickey Lon and it was back when June riddle yeah yeah so and I don't recall it's got to be oh June was law yeah ago 20 plus and then would be down here like the two right where right yeah was on that one was that building yeah that's no long there it's no longer there does the building sale have sign no it's a residence now just just a yeah and the other one was uh down next to Family Dollar was a sign that was way out there and and was a kid and we were told you can't do that but you know was that blue chip no was in that spot yeah I don't know who was there before blueair it was a um C Place wasn't it no the cleaner no that's the cleaner's still [Music] there all right everybody he didn't last long a t-shirt was a t-shirt was it in so that where the T-shirt plate was and what his um um flu chip BL chip now but I don't even know how long that's going to be um that's where the senior center was Center was by I'm gonna go get the no that's where the senior andet dispers I remember no it is where it is the senior center is next to Sophia's to the right oh it used to be yeah oh the one in the corner Blue Chip had two places okay yeah Blue Chip was next to the queen correct that's what oh I know what you mean oh I didn't know that I mean I didn't know that he was violating no several years yeah I'm gonna say maybe yeah maybe seven or eight years ago yeah because um Blue Chip just had a fiveyear the gamer I I it wasn't this owner it was the owner before of the the plaza I only started there 5 years ago so yeah the kid yeah he rented a country estates I remember him what you China remember you do I don't what is it it's so many clear notes what CLA Cy yeah um his mother we're on recording we're going okay well his Wonder um is an accountant and you know her we at one point we were going to have her com cting read no yes no no no I know those KS I know all five of those kids that's not who this was is that who it was no because he was into that yeah he was but he did it the library you I all right here's the letter I'm gonna send the letter look on here is the Kathy's not there so I can't get the copy no to look up the I what's that this is the actual letter from Eric charton to stting sign information where his issues I'm trying to get a copy but Kathy's not here you don't have to say you've already read is that the same owner as Cumberland no no someone different well same last name but different people related they might be related we that GES well we had the the little war on the licenses a year or two ago oh yeah that see it's not the same pent no and I I don't know if they're related I don't know I need the CID I had both uh I both two yeah four and half no two and a half two and a half yeah 25 two and a half this is May well it'll be three in May in may now do you have to turn those in when I give to already did oh so how you didn't make a copy of it though I thought I did guess I didn't but I did sign oh no those are the ones for the year there are signning for that's I what can't see toate it has to be attached to a minute so I have the um the Gil yeah I don't know why you didn't keep the that's I'll of these I got all kinds it does that's isn't that yeah as far as window yeah it's kind of sad you didn't have to come around what on this side that's two that's almost three years ago yeah looks the same today right yeah m very similar something didn't it actually looked like that when Steve did it too Steve Casper it well then maybe that's why this guy's doing the same as it was yeah oh president said yeah but except he got a letter he did get a letter and I so I'll talk to um commissioner boob side IDE and see how he wants us to handle it and I'll let you know at the February meeting all right because I think that letter that Eric wrote was excellent I mean it was detailed there's no wiggle room now do you want can you forward that to I'm going oh yeah do that right now just um so what about the fees how do you want to handle the fees well do you remember what the fees were that you did them 250 a day $250 a day wow oh yeah the building inspector does the collection and we collected on both of them so was it the building inspector that did the fines or was it the historic commission you me sent them out yeah I think have the building so we would direct him we would direct him to do that be the same way he can cite the previous letter exactly and say now you remove them or the f is in effect in effect gra did run out I I can't see if that's in the office over there exuse me it's 250 do you want to really establish it I we can do that now for him but I think I'd still like to have an established print out of what the finds would be his response was if this has anything to do with the historic district I'm not involved but he's coming forward nobody wants to deal with us why I was obviously he wanted he was kidding he was kidding yeah but otherwise you wouldn't have come in the last time and just call me anytime you and now we are yeah sure taking them up on this deal I'm G to send this to everybody I think you're right I think that whatever it's uh that's the F if it's not done within five days then it's per day hi thank you for coming we have an issue that we're we're discussing and it has to do with the brick you like your mother I guess should I thank you so um it's my hair so we have an issue with the Brick Store up in West yep so he has a lot of signs and they're in total violation of the historic commission obvious in 22 here's a photo of of what's there and yeah I was up there the other day he paid a lot though I like that that yeah you did pay well I a guy screaming that it was bad but you did pay which is good okay so maybe he's on a page so in 1920 in 2022 Eric sharton who was a former he wrote Mr Patel a letter and explained that it was in violation we please take the signs down etc etc and it was a well-written letter so we'd like to know would you be interested in helping us out get that's my job it's my enforement job so just send me Eric Setta okay and I will handle it I will look at what the HTC says and is the OWN is it still Mr Patel I thought it was somebody new is well I thought it I I'll look it up I'll look it up and make sure but yeah just send it to me and give me two or three days and I'll send them out a letter okay so now we have now we're going to go to phase two of the question it is has to do with fines now do you issue fines or how does that work that that's I'm the enforcable so yes oh he enforcing but is there a list of like signs are in violation there is no I have to look at the signed by law to see if there is an enforcement order okay my guess is there probably isn't but the HDC if it's in an historical district you have an enforcement order oh we have you are allowed by mass law let me just make sure if I'm clear about this to assign you could assign anything you think I think is reasonable in hisory it's kind of like one of those open-ended typically what happens is when I go if it's junk cars or whatever what I do is it is blah a day for each and every sign and every day constitutes a new violation so if he has 10 bad signs it's whatever you decide as a day we go by you can go I think go up to $275 a violation I'll look it up but I'm pretty sure that's it but no one does you know you do I mean it's a sign it's all it's all you know what I mean 10 bucks a day at 20 bucks a day I get it times five listen just send it to me this is how I prefer to handle this I'm G to send another letter I'm going to go sit in the B store I'm going to go talk to Mr Patel and I'm going to tell him take sign Stu okay he's gonna get five days if he doesn't take him down then the letter is going out and he's getting fined oh okay I prefer I I'm not a big I can send a letter oh I I love writing letters but you know what I'm going to give you the benefit of Doubt and say you don't know I have the same owner in gron that does the same thing as the same signs and once every three months I have to walk in there and tell them to move them down he knows they after a couple months they put him back up they always that they he's gonna tell me you never gonna let I'm gonna tell you what he's gonna tell me I know exactly what this guy's gonna say the same no he he wasn't the one we find the one but it's all right let's let's give him the benefit of the doubt we're I will handle that's my job is to handle it I will copy you on anything you need but I'll handle that do you want me to send you an email I want you to send me an email with the just take a look at it and see what you can do with zoning bylaw Bob and I'll read the bylaw and I'll go up and I'll deal with him thank you very much WoW cool than you all right very very good so much for your $250 a day CL well two you you can like we had a guy in Granton they signed him 250 because he did all new Windows without a permit oh and and and without going in front of the HTC so it's like you know what that's major I mean this was in the center of gron you don't do that that's major couple of M Light Signs we we'll deal with the m Light Signs okay all right but I I will look into it I think you're allowed to trust me if I write him a letter and have to give him a fine it'll be f you'll be fine I'm Jerry you look good today thank you no problem right thank you very much problem thank you what do you mean so much for 250 a day yeah we did and he took the sign right down let him because he knew he couldn't afford that oh so you never got the money oh yeah we did we got some money but he didn't let it last for long yeah I couldn't afford it were talking to me I me clar thought you were you looking right at me you said Clarity all right so I'm gonna I'm gonna for this to everybody and I'm gonna for I you know what I'll do I will for I will write an email to uh commissioner garide and I'll CC everybody with the attachments so we're all on the same page at the same time okay that's great that sound good you can blind cop so it's not oh yeah violation no So you you're the writer he's the recipient yes we can be blind poppies we never do reply all we never do reply okay all right just reply to the sender to the sender okay all right I will do that oh and I'll be very happy to get this on my plate all right now that we've extended the meeting another 20 minutes I'm happy to make a motion to adjourn I cheing it again I'm happy to accept it is there any discussion at 3:52 p.m not bad though oh my God I have to go to I have to eat lunch and go to a house before I come back lunch has passed now it's GNA I know believe me I know can I please have a vote on a well who second it wait a minute Jerry baz thank you I should know Jerry did yes yes yes Mary Jane church WIll yes thank you very much everybody