Okay, I'd like to call the meeting of the Towns and Historic District Commission. Open the meeting on Thursday, January 8th at 3:00. Call the meeting to order. Can I please have a roll call? >> Whoops.
>> Here. >> Okay. Laura Shiffren here. Present. >> James present. >> Kathleen Spford present. >> Maria Milligan present. Mary J. Churchill present. Claire's not here and she has limits.
Okay. Um, is anyone else recording other than T camps? >> No. >> What's the other gal's name at in West Hamilton? >> Sue Girkin. >> Girkin. Ser. >> She's not here right now. >> Is she still
>> She's a member. >> Okay, good. So, a member down there, too. >> Um, I don't think she was at the last meeting. >> She wasn't. Yeah. >> So, um, we're going to accept We can't accept the minutes because Claire took
the minutes and she's not here. >> Do you expect her? >> I do. She told me she was going to come. So, um, I believe she'll be here by the night. >> But you called and reminded her, right? >> Yeah, I talked to her. >> Yeah, you did. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> I did. >> Well, you see her?
>> Yeah, I see her. Yeah. >> Yeah. On Tuesdays and Thursdays. Okay. So the next item on the agenda is to set and we're going to do this today. Set the fees for the violations of HDC rules and regulations.
>> So who wants to start with that one? >> Um have you have a proposal for us? >> Yeah, I'm confused. >> No, I I I thought you and Jar were you and Lori working on the >> We were but nothing since >> Okay. Well, I guess I can sort of speak
to that. >> Okay. Um, basically we can set the fees. I mean, Massachusetts says that, you know, you can do this or you can do that, but it's up to us to set the fees. I think we should start something reasonable and work up. I mean, if it's
a person who is continuously, yeah, you know, okay, $100 first trip, $200. I don't think we should just say every time you get a if you don't pay attention to what you're doing. >> Okay. But you also realize that it's pretty deep,
>> right? So once it's set at say $100, it's $100 per DM until the it's fixed. >> I could throw $100. >> No, whatever. >> Well, it's up to us however we feel, right? So what
>> Well, I think it depends upon what how severe it is. >> Can I ask a question? just being maybe possibly uneducated um on this topic in general. >> So why are what's why is this coming up?
What what >> we've had numerous um problems with people just going ahead and just doing whatever they want. >> So violating um the rules >> the rules of the um historic district. >> Okay. So when someone's renovating their
property for example or hanging a sign for example >> they have to go through the building department >> and then you hopefully the building department notifies us. >> Well that's what I'm confused. So that's is that an organized chain of events?
>> It should be in the process what happens is if anything is brought to the building department that is in the HDC area. >> Yep. Perfect. It is marked as HDC and Bside will under will know that it is
under the jurisdiction of it >> and he notifies >> the board not right. >> No, he notifies the client that they have to fill out an application and give it to the board. >> Okay. So then it's up to them. So the
kind of buck falls on the building inspector to notify the homeowner or property and then so your proposal is that if they don't follow that chain of events >> to fill out the application and get approval through this board they get a
fine >> correct >> and is it a first offense second offense third offense >> that's what we haven't decided yet in the process of that >> and what I would say is some people might accidentally violate the rule and not being not knowing. I mean, I'm
guessing >> Well, that shouldn't happen because it should Well, unless they're not getting a building permit, >> right? Okay. Cuz they don't get a building permit. That's the real problem. >> The building people have flagged all the historic district commissioning properties. Y
>> so when anyone goes in and wants a building permit for work to be done on one of those properties, there's a flag and Janet or whoever tells the homeowner, >> I'm sorry, but you have to go first to the storage district commission and get a certificate and then come back to us.
>> Okay, so that's happened. And then where is the next step? Is it the homeowner not following the rule or the property owner not following the the next step in applying to this board for approval? Is that where the ball is being dropped? I'm just trying to figure out.
>> It's really it's tricky to know when the ball's dropped >> if I may, Madam Chair. M um so sometimes if there is an in inadvertent whatever okay and then it's discovered we would ask the people well to come in
>> and then perhaps there would be a waiver >> there could be a waiver >> or there would be a fine saying you have 10 days to do this or you have whatever. >> Okay. And you wouldn't have to necessarily have to do the per dam depending on the situation because the
board has that authority. >> Exactly. >> Now my the other is like signs. A good example is letters have gone out from the building department >> to a particular person about their signs and they're good for a couple weeks and
then it changes. And so it's been over a few years and more than probably two letters have gone out during that time. No fines are in place. So no fines have been but that's a good example. Okay. No
accountability. So what we were going to well the last couple of meetings or two meetings ago you said you found on the historic commission where we had the authority but there was no example >> correct to use.
>> Correct. >> Okay. So >> because you're you and Jerry were charged with >> Yes, we were >> getting the permission I guess to do it but then we discovered that we already had the authority right >> through the state. No, I thought we were going to do an actual list and do like
an outline. We never got to do that. >> Would you want to do Would you like to >> We could still do that >> for like the last year. >> So, why don't we table this cuz you should have an example of what the fine structure is and all this information
for all us to see. They have not worked on any of this to get it up to speed. Well, we have worked on I worked on an observe or >> Well, what do we have in front of us? >> Nothing. Nothing in writing, but not that we haven't done.
>> No, no, no. I wasn't saying you weren't working towards it, but we're not in completion and we got to get >> We got to get this done. That's the thing. I know. >> This is a bylaw, correct? >> Correct. >> Do we are we a missed deadline? >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What
we're missing is >> for the >> is the the authority to exercise a bylaw. >> I think but but if >> it's a 40C 4 >> I mean I would by it doesn't have to be
a bylaw. >> We are enforcing authority. >> So it's up to us to go to that person. >> Okay. >> Correct. So no more a building inspector. >> We're too forward this is changing. I I know you didn't want to do this, but way
back when I mentioned that there is a fine process in the town hall. Okay. The building inspector has fines. The planning board has fines. Conservation has fines. Why aren't we not included in
those fines? >> You should. >> Makes sense. I mean, you're we're historic still has the authority just like the building inspector has the authority or Melissa has whatever authority she has and planning has their authority to assess the fines. That doesn't go to a centralized place.
That's not the select board. Okay? That's the individual >> boards and we just restructured all of our fines last month, our last meetings where everything was brought up >> and I know planning did too. Carol House was um on that. She chaired it.
Carol Hostess chaired the updating of all the schedule and the fines. >> Well, then you >> is it the building inspector who does the oversight with the fines? Cuz he is ultimately the man that would do that.
Well, if it's going to be the historical district commission that is the one that is going to place the fine onto the homeowner, we need that list and we need to be the ones that have control on it or the HDC should go to the building inspector where he has the authority and
the ability. >> How does conservation do it? Does conservation go through the building inspector or >> No, conservation doesn't need to upgrade it. We need >> So, that would be here too. Okay. So we weren't here earlier last year.
>> The building inspector does not want to be involved in the finding and enforcing for the new historic commission. >> Okay. >> That's why I >> You're saying to me that Garasai does not >> correct >> have the ability in the historic district.
>> He does not the historic district has the authority to do the fines. >> He does. He would send the letters out when we still Okay. So historically, we had a really good relationship with the building inspector and they always
helped us. >> They sent the letters, they went to visit, they they they were I remember. >> Okay. So then we had the issue last year with the district boundaries if you remember. Well, you might not have been here. >> So we were challenged and everybody got
all upset about it and um Garite said he didn't want anything to do with it. So we said fine. So we found out through 40C that we were the authority to issue fines and enforce um enforce the rules.
>> Okay. So >> so we don't need him. >> So >> and the discussion then >> Right. Right. So we we talk we've been talking about this for over a year. >> Yeah. >> Kathy, are you looking up something on our website? Yeah, I was looking to see
where the fine schedule goes in. Is it would it be a regulation then if it's not a bylaw? >> That's kind of why I asked to ask Beth Bson because she went through the whole thing with Carol lost this. >> I am. But what what do you need?
>> Unfortunately, just >> All right. So table this table again. So with it being tabled on the intro, should I assume Jerry and Lori are going to work together on getting
>> everything prepared for us for the next meeting? In other words, I would like to see what the old structure of fines would be. >> Thank you. This is new. >> You don't even have a physical >> No, they never had schedule. >> They never had one. They never had
standing as the enforcing agent. How would you be able to be the enforcing group if you don't even have a fine schedule? >> We're together. >> What you got to do is when we come to these meetings, you're going to have to bring your 40C with you.
>> 40C gives us section I think it's section. >> I don't need to look at it. All I'm trying to do is establish what the what the basics are. The basics aren't being done yet. >> So, would it be a good idea to check other towns to see how >> Absolutely. Their historic commission
does it. Absolutely. >> Right. You know, like Groten probably has. >> Yeah. I mean, we've had that before. >> Yeah. I mean, I feel like we're we know we are. >> Okay. >> Who's Who's going to contact the other
towns? >> April. Okay. >> I'm due to go to Dunable tomorrow. >> That's Graten. And is that information they'd likely be fine with sharing? >> Yeah. I love so I can just walk over to the town hall. >> I went to Littleton to find out what
their schedule is for fines with their and with conservation. They're very Mrs. Littlewood is really open door. Come on in. And I mean I got to run a lot of different questions by >> in actuality. >> Every town that has one, it would be on
their website. >> Oh, okay. I can do that. >> And the the reason for that is ours once we have one would be under the historic district commission. >> We already had some level of structure. How can we label ourselves as the find
to be able to find people and we're not >> well we're not and we and we would really like not to have to find people. We would really like people to obey and >> this is just if you have to go to >> especially if it's repeat
>> repeat thinking first offense, second offense, third offense would be a good way to do it. >> Deterrents are good. Deterrents aren't good. Let them know. So like he was saying it will go to the website and other commissions and always enjoy other
commissioners. They share different you know what the problems were and you have other questions. sorts. I'll go to Donable and I might do Littleton. >> Okay. So, when when do we want to work on this? I want to table until what? Till like March.
>> No, next meeting. >> Do you guys ever do like subcommittee meetings >> so that a couple of two or three could get together between the monthly meetings? >> No, you can do that. That's fine. >> Can we communicate? >> You can do two or three because we're a
seven member board. actually just email. I feel like the emails with the agenda doesn't have everyone on it. >> I don't do the email. >> You don't do email. >> I'm here enough where >> Okay. >> Plus, honestly, they should not be to all the members
>> because it's too easy to reply all, right? >> And you shouldn't be doing it, >> right? >> Blind copy. You know what you do? You do your name from your name to and everybody else is blind copied. Yeah. on the um board.
>> Yeah. Right. On the email. >> Yeah. >> And if they reply at all, it doesn't >> So if I then you don't do a there's there's no >> uh risk, right? >> So if I get the graten fees, I could I could send them I'll do that. The blind
CC and I'll send them to everyone. >> Yeah. People just can't respond to it. That's all. >> Yeah. >> There can't be any conversation behind the scenes. >> That's right. But at least everyone conversation. to have it forformational purposes so that we can review it before the meeting is a good >> correct. Yeah. That way we're not
wasting a whole month. >> Right. >> Yeah. In between >> or time at the meeting. We've already had something to discuss. >> Yes. >> Okay. Fine. >> Okay. So, we'll table this until the February meeting. >> And if you don't have email, I can print a copy for you. >> So, February is going to be what? Feb
what? Mary J. >> Yes. 12th. February 12th. I may not physically be here, but I will be here virtually. >> Well, right now it's 3:00, but I'll be in Colorado, so I'll probably be on Zoom as well.
>> Table assistant >> table to February 12th. >> Okay. Okay. Now, the next item we don't have to worry about because Kathleen Scoffford has already been appointed by the board. >> All right. Thank you. >> Were you sworn in? >> Yes.
>> Yep. So, she's good to go. >> And Mrs. Copy has the minute, so we're not going to be able to do >> I know. I can't I don't know what happened to her. So, then all right, we have to appoint an HTC board. Sorry about that. To the community
preservation act. Is that >> committee? committee committee committee >> for the act that was released. >> I did review the paperwork that was distributed um and I have no problem volunteering to do that position like
>> Well, I don't think I like that because I don't think that you have enough experience on the historic district commission >> and knowledge at our level because we are going to them >> with our expertise. >> Why can't I discuss with the group and
bring everyone restoration >> experience. >> Why would that count as a different >> as a because it's not the law? It's not the 40C. It's not the experience of the commission. >> How am I going to get experience if I
don't have an opportunity to try? That would be my argument and I would represent everyone. >> Okay. Okay. Let's think about >> Well, if you like if you would like to someone else. >> Hold on. If you would like the discussion on somebody is or isn't
knowledgeable enough to be able to >> represent our board, what would the level of knowledge in your view be? >> I think that the person should have served at least 2 years because there's an awful lot of very important legal issues involved with the commission.
>> It's not like, oh, it's history, the building's cute. It's a whole different issue. And >> I have to agree with you on that, Mary J. After looking at the package going on and talking to other people, it does present a a knowledge issue. Who knows
all in town though? Who who who do we look at in this right now? Has that level of knowledge that would be eloquent for that position? >> Well, Jerry's been on the position what, for 5 years. Claire's been on for at least five, if not seven. I've been on
for four. I was I didn't think there were any volunteers. I was just trying to help. So or is someone else interested? >> And I think that's terrible. We discouraged her in that way. I think she know I didn't mean to discourage her. She said, "What do you think?" And I gave my opinion. You know what? I'm sorry.
>> And that's why I rebuttled by what would you perceive a person's level of knowledge should be to adequately represent. They should serve on the board for at least 2 years so that they have a knowledge of 40 city
of the town and those properties within the district. >> But it's not just about >> Wait a minute. Okay. Go ahead. >> I I just I think it's it's more about allocating money to certain projects and it's not just historic district
properties that we're going to be allocating money for. I did review the information. our representative is going to be coming from our board for our part if you will. I mean, are you going to be able to address housing authority?
>> My thought was I would be a liaison between this group and this new community preservation committee. I would represent our collective opinions. I would bring back discussion of what's going on. I mean, that's my
understanding. I could definitely just not volunteer myself and put it to bed because this is the second month. >> One more brief comment. >> Yes, please. >> I've come to two meetings so far. I could do it.
I think she would do an even better job than me with less time in town, with less knowledge than I do. >> Do you want to make a motion? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Please. I would like a motion to um bring forth um >> Maria Milikin.
>> Maria Milikin as our appointed HDC board member for the um towns and HDC. >> State your name. >> James Dory. >> We don't have to do that because we don't we should >> we are not using AI. You don't have to
do it. If you do it, I think it's very nice. But if you forget, I don't think that you should be called on because it's not. >> It's just one of these fluid habits we should get used to. But you stand as the chair. You can make that decision. But I don't feel in favor of it. >> I Laura will make a second to the
motion. Any discussion? >> Do we know how it's going to how how it's going to work? How the committee is going to work? >> It's going to take some time. >> It's not going to be up and running for a while.
>> Okay. I think what they're going to do to start is get all the information out to the people who have been appointed, >> all the information regarding how what the workings are going to be of it. We're probably looking at about 18 to 24
months before there's going to be first of all, it's going to be a year before there's any money. >> Any money? Yeah. and then 18 to 24 months before there's an actual project that perhaps the money will be used for. >> Okay? >> So, this is the really infancy of it.
>> So, by that time you'll be on the board two years if you decide you want to stay cuz that's another thing. People are being appointed. >> Exactly. >> A couple three people have already been appointed but they don't have any experience with with that because it's
brand new. So that's the thought that the committee whoever it is will meet discuss all the ins and outs of what the CPA is and Vicki has a lot of knowledge reference that so she'll be able to help I'm thinking that she'll be able to help
that committee along >> okay >> Tidman >> okay >> okay as the assessor she has more knowledge than anybody else in the building about >> this is why I was saying it's it's a longterm income right now before that
has got its wheels and it's rolling. >> I think in Canada Mrs. Melikin will be up to speed. >> Okay, let's take a vote. >> Way beyond what she needs to know by then. Thank you. >> We have a vote um verbal vote.
>> Motion's been made. Second has been >> Yeah. Any discussion was had enough discussion? Any discussion? Jerry. >> Anybody else? I just In some ways, I have to agree with Mayor Jane. It's there so much information that you need to know it.
>> You just heard me explain what the new committee is and how long it's going to take. I did >> quite a commitment. >> It's not from what I've been told. It's >> a month. It's a meeting a month and then
>> I told somebody one time that it was a meeting a month and it would be done in 6 months and two years later it wasn't done and that was in town here. >> We're talking about the community that doesn't end. >> No, >> it is. It's been called the forever
commission. >> It's called doing a go for six months. >> Okay, let's get back to off topic. Let's get back on top. >> Okay. Yes, ma'am. Point of order. >> Point of order. >> Point of order.
>> I Okay. >> Present. I mean, not present, but I vote yes. >> Okay. >> I'm not allowed to vote, right? >> Right. >> No, you wouldn't know. So, >> you can vote. I can vote for myself. >> Yeah, you can say no, too. >> Yes. Okay. >> But we don't need her to vote for
herself because we have enough in in quorum to be able to make the vote and put it through. >> Okay. James Dorian. >> Yes. James Dean I >> Jasus >> Noville no
>> I don't think I vote on vote >> oh you >> yeah because it's not >> it's not a property I think I'm here just to do the properties right basically >> well if we don't have a quorum >> you can vote >> or if you don't have vote >> I did I thought I said I did yes
>> so congratulations >> yeah I think you'll do a job for volunteering >> you're welcome I brought next. >> Maybe Jen, can I say one more thing very quickly? >> Okay, please. >> I don't mean to exhaust your patience, but don't mind me. I brought Mrs. Milik
in her package for the HDC, all the information she needs about all of everything. >> Thanks. I did get some of that stuff. >> Am I bringing this package to her? >> I've got some stuff from you, >> Shannon. This should have been just >> waiting
to find you should be challenged. I don't think so. >> She's she's the chairman and she made sure everybody >> did a wonderful job over the last three or four years. >> If I have to, I'll beg to differ. >> Well, you can beg to differ. I'm not going to put up with it. >> Mhm.
>> I did get information, just so you know, in an email from Mary Jean. But thank you >> and I will challenge you every on and on. Who me? >> All of you wouldn't keep this behavior up that I've seen
behavior. What is your attitude? >> Not communi not communicating with the other commissioners is to making sure they are available and coming to meetings. >> Well, we know where the meetings are said and that's why we show up. >> First, >> it's the same way within. It's the same
way with >> Exactly. >> You know, we know where the board of selecting media are. We just we're adults. for you to show up. >> Does James Gates call you every time there's a meeting? Does he really? >> Mhm.
>> He knows I'm I'm the kind of child that needs that extra effort. >> Well, you know what? Good for him. >> Mhm. >> I think that's I'm finding this insulting and harassing. >> I find it commendable on his end cuz he's a real good condition to make sure. >> All right, enough. We're off topic.
Let's get back on topic. >> Sorry. articles to be a dear. >> Yeah, this is probably going to be real contentious too. >> Articles confirmed. >> Okay. So, you have information. Is that it?
>> I gave her a packet. I gave everybody packing. So what the situation is I don't know how many people were here but we had the um challenge of the boundaries of the third district commission
and it was found that uh by the state the department of state sent us an opinion letter on our boundaries and our boundaries are correct as they sit and I wanted to be ratified I guess is
the word in the warrant article. So we don't have to discuss it yet. The boundaries are the boundaries. >> The second page here. >> Well, no. Okay. Um
>> there's a second page to say the boundaries. They challenged the HTC that they're not correct on. >> That's correct. >> The boundaries of the HTC were
challenged earlier in 2025. >> So, so we had to go. >> What is this one? It says uh >> no >> annual reports. >> No, no, that's for the next thing. >> Oh, sorry. >> Sorry. Sorry about that. Okay. >> This is I'm going to talk about this.
Oh, we don't have anything. >> No, not on this one. So, the articles confirming the boundaries have already been established or Lori, help me with this if you would. I want it to be ratified so we don't come back again and I don't want to have to go through this again or have anyone that
precedes me do this again. It was enormously timeconuming. I had to deal with the state on it for hours and they gave me an opinion letter and I think it should be entered through the record and I think the town should vote that those
that we ratify what the state has given us as the opinion on on the boundaries that they are exactly as they are written in the bylaws as they were um each time historic district 1, historic district 2 and historic district 3. I have no problem
taking the request to the select board subject to count town council. >> Oh yeah, we need we need town council to review the language of how it's going to be set for. >> So if the state says everything is as it was
>> the state historic commission >> correct I understand that. So would it not be >> the building inspector challenged >> our building? Yes. >> Yeah. Is that what you mean? The challenge by uh Gar side in 25? >> No. The state came in and told us we
were correct. >> Yeah. So, I'm not quite sure stands as it as it is. It stands. The challenge was met. The challenge was diffused by the state replying back to you in your cover letter.
Everything is is as it was. >> You don't have to change anything. I I don't want anyone else to have to go through that. I >> So you want to know what we can do? >> I want the letter allow us to be challenged again and have to go through the process. You
>> makes sense. That makes sense. >> What would be all of us protection for that? Then >> we >> nothing. >> Oh no, no, no, no. We got to we have to be ratified that this is it. We're standing as is. Right. >> So what did you get for confirmation from the state? Was there
correspondence? And there was a letter that they wrote. It's not here tonight for you. >> They found no deficiencies in the boundary. >> So, can't that just be kept on file in the historic district file? >> Well, I think it should be brought to light, though. This isn't the way that
it is, don't you? So you look at something better than just a time stamp, us signing it off that there that the challenge that we >> were brought in front of us was met and we met the standards and that there was
no concern with the state. I mean you're looking for it to be recorded to be certified what? >> Yes. >> Yes. To be ratified. That's what I want. The boundies didn't question and they don't even want to do
it again. >> And you were able to rise. >> Exactly. >> And the information you gave him was correct and the states said adequate. You guys are all set. His challenge is null and void. I mean that should go >> but it should be ratified that it is
this is dealt with. Procedurally, I think that the commission could make a motion to send your request to the select board. Um, detail just how you want to have it
done. And then I think what they would I can't speak for all of them, but I think what they would do is they would allow it on the warrant subject to town council review. allow allow more >> the ratification. She's asking for a
ratification of the historic district's commission. >> Nothing changed. So, how can you ratify something? >> Why did they question? Why did they want to have the point of the ratification is that once it's ratified, you can't challenge it anymore. It's done over. >> Okay. Should be ratified.
>> So, we just need the word the legal. Does town council do that? >> No. >> No. >> Okay. You have to put your thoughts. I think that he would tweak, okay, and suggest what the verbiage
would be on the warrant perhaps. Okay, I'm speaking for him, but I'm not. Um, to make sure that it was legal to do it, he would be making sure that it was legal to do it. So, I can't answer for
him. >> Lori, what do you mean? understand what you're I understand >> legal to do what? Legal to >> ratify the letter from the historic district commission >> from the state. >> I'm not going to say that that's okay.
>> No, >> but if town council says it's okay, >> let the people vote. >> So, we we kick it up to Adam then. >> See what Adam advises. >> Do that. I I'll talk to um >> to see if she'd go.
>> I'll talk to Karen tomorrow and see. >> Well, I just wanted to know if the committee or the commission was in favor of ratification. That that's the basic >> because I can take care of the rest of this stuff >> cuz I can write something, send it to the board of selectment and they'll send
it to Adam and whatever he says is good. >> I'll make a motion that they put together a letter for ratification. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Good. Thank you, Jerry. Can I have a second? >> Sorry. >> Okay. >> James, >> any any further discussion?
>> Just to uh town council approval. >> I'm just Oh, you want that on the motion, right? With town council. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because it would be in our motion, >> right? >> You know, you can send it to the select board. Uh but that would be our motion
would be subject to town council review, >> right? But I understand that. I just want to give it to you guys. That's the goal, I think. >> So, we've secured that at this point in time in the commission. >> In other words, we in other words, our
own ratification to a degree that >> I could say that. Yeah. >> Okay. So, in other words, we're we're finding that the challenge was met. We we passed with good colors and everything with the state. So now what we're doing is just making sure that we have the assurance that this isn't going
to get a red flag again and you have to go through all that cuz that was I understood to be you had to go out here do a lot of leg work also >> as far as what they what he was challenging >> for two days in Cambridge. Were you with
me? >> Yep. >> Two days in Cambridge. >> What'd you have lunch in? Okay. >> So, you want to go down to Cambridge and >> Yes.
>> Mhm. Okay. Okay. So, can I have a verbal vote? >> Mhm. >> Or lordship's going to abstain because you're sending it to the select board. >> Oh, right. Jerry, >> you have to abstain >> cuz it's being sent to the select board. I'm not gonna You can't talk to the
select board. Hey, can we get in the habit of starting on this side or this side with the roll calls so it doesn't >> Didn't I always start eating today? >> No. >> It's okay. Whatever. I don't even know.
>> So, Jerry next. >> Yes. >> James Dorian. Yes. >> Uh, Maria Milikin. Yes. >> Okay. Marian Church. Yes. It's >> perfect. So, we'll get that. I'll get that language up to
>> you guys. >> So, all right. Now, the next one down there. >> The next one we were challenged on this also. We're challenged on this one. >> Is that what this is? >> Mhm.
>> And um this has to do with the bylaw. So, if you take out the old type of by law where the historic district was created. Um and this starts with the historic district one because that was the original creation and then the next
three I just followed. But the last um item on it said it's identified as page 31. >> Okay. Annual report specific as to what we're looking for.
>> Okay. We're looking for the vote to create the historic district >> back in >> in 1976. >> This is what we're looking at. This is what we're looking at. >> Okay. So, it was an article on the
warrant to create a new historic district commission. >> What year? >> 1974. >> 74. >> I don't know. It just says the map says 74. >> Okay. So, it was 74 for district one. 76 was district 2. I'm sorry.
So, >> and 74. >> Okay. So, the the towns and historic district bylaw starts on page 30 of this report goes to 38. The last paragraph which is section
seven on page 31. Okay. says, "If the town meeting so votes, a commission established here shall have the powers and duties of an historical commission as provided in section 8 D of
chapter 4C. And in this event, the commission may be entitled an historical commission." Now, this is like the ultimate confusing business with historic commission. There's the historic district commission, the historic go commission.
There are two separate commissions in the state of Massachusetts. There's the historic commission >> and there's the historic go commission. >> The historical what? >> Historical commission. >> Historical think historical society.
>> Historical commission established powers and duties. Historical not historic. Correct. There's two separate words in the state of Massachusetts. Where does it where is the law for the historic commission? >> This is 48D. Yeah, this is the historic.
>> Are we are we looking at potato? >> Oh, and it was established as a historic and not historic. >> Correct. >> Page 30 says towns in historic district bylaw. We go down the bottom. Section seven.
If the town so votes, it will also be known as a historical commission. >> So is it two? >> There's two. And I And here we go. There's interpretation that that vote being yes. Voted that we are known as
both historic and historic golf. >> Well, that's what I would take it as. >> I know, but we got challenged. >> Yes. >> We got challenged by John Barrett. So >> who's that town moderator? >> He's not counsel, but he is a lawyer.
>> He he has a degree of knowledge and such. >> Correct. So >> where did it come from? Did you pick his mind as to why he challenged it? >> He Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He challenges it because he says that that's section >> he interp
and and everybody has a reason for A and B. So, and then when C comes Well, yeah. So, >> so what I said is potato or potato thing. >> Not really because the rules are different. >> The district Okay.
>> shame on the state of Massachusetts. >> The district is only concerned with those properties within the boundaries of the district, which we want ratified. So, we know where the boundaries are and all >> which are considered. >> Yeah. But this says, >> wait, wait, wait. Let me explain before
you jump in. Historic goal is for buildings or structures or sites outside the district that want to be included in Massachusetts historical buildings. >> So like the wood farm. >> Exactly.
>> Okay. Classic example of something that would be >> included. This says section 8D of chapter 40C. Yeah, I know that. And that's not this. No, but no, if you go
to 40, that's a typo because if you go to >> a typo in the bylaws. >> Yeah, >> it is. >> Really? >> Well, it happens. >> But they voted the typo. >> That's right. Right. >> Yeah, we don't know that. According to John, they didn't.
>> Well, right here it says they did. >> No, John says they didn't. So I want a ratification on this also because I don't want to argue this again >> because of >> you got to get to this s and correct this source out first that in the ratification >> in the ratification and that's why the
point that's why it should be ratified but the vote stands here these are the actual minutes of the meeting the vote is yes 85 no one >> so it passed >> it passed with an error
>> so it should be ratified argue an 8D in 40 C. >> Yes. >> And what does that read? I wonder. >> Or are you saying this is what it reads and you forgot the C? >> No, we don't. >> Okay. >> Let me see.
>> I would I think you need a legal opinion on that. >> No, >> this is chapter. >> Yeah, you might be. And this was in 1974 or76. >> This one's in 74. >> This is 74 as well.
>> 3 creating the district. >> Oh, >> and that's it initiation. That's what it came 7. >> Do they have a list of the members? We can call >> C
D. >> Thank you. Upon request, the commission shall issue a certificate of nominal applicability with respect to construction or alteration in any category then not subject to review by the commission in accordance with the provisions of
paragraph A, B or C. That's what okay. So this does not match that word. So this is an error because this matches this word >> 40 C. >> Now we know where that it lies anyway.
So it was riddled with errors. >> So >> back in 1874, >> well just the one error for the >> how has >> versus AD I mean >> how has the commission been acting >> both for 50 years? Both both you know of
course we don't have any jurisdiction over the um historical but like if you were if you own the wood farm the wood farm does not have to come before the historical >> correct permission to get permission to work
>> unless they were to join in >> and create another say I want this house to be submitted in the the district correct that is available for us in town to do. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> So, in other words, if I'm saying I want
West Meadow Road to be a part of the historical commission farms annex. >> Yes. >> That would be >> something I could join in. >> Yes. Wouldn't it be a town vote? >> Yeah. You could create a you could create a district up there in the farm on Ross Meadow Road because you've got
historic buildings up there. >> Oh, yeah. and you could create a district and yes, you would be under the historic district commission. Right now with your farm, you would be under the historical commission, >> right? I was looking for that little
tidbit. >> It's nuance beyond belief, but but he's not in a district, >> so he's not obligated to come to us. He's not obligated to us. And the duties are different. The historic district is an enforcer of the
architectural integrity of the building, the area, whatever. >> So would that put a person in restriction of changing windows, changing doors? >> No. No. It's it's more the historical commission, >> does investigation, it does research,
and it does educational outreach. It's a completely different kind of >> charge >> charge. Yeah. >> And I like that. Have you? Yes, we've done that quite often. People come to us and ask, >> they come to you, but you don't you don't go after, you don't look for.
>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But it would open up an opportunity. For example, with the wood farm, we would be able to go and get more information, have research >> and that would put them on an historical. >> Well, they're already on there. That
particular one is already on >> national. >> No, it's state. Is it national? >> I had almost thought it was. >> No, it should be, but it's not. >> I think it. >> Now, I'll tell you I'll tell you another building.
Listen up on this one. >> Our library, not in the district, but historical building. >> That's a source of >> How good is that going to do you? >> I don't know. But I mean I'm just saying I'm just saying >> that is just a source of
>> what do you do right almost what do you do historical what's that even >> I mean and there's a whole bunch of my house is historical >> but it's not a district correct I'm not in a district >> but it is a it come on now of course it's historical
>> yeah but I'm not in the district so >> so why don't you volunteer it and put it into the district >> we have to create the district up there at that end of town district end.
You need to expand out to include it. >> The district at the old bank where they put the wreck. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, you had jurisdiction over it when they let it go to the wreck? >> I don't know. I wasn't around at that
point. >> I remember that. >> But they came to the historic district commission to do the roof and different Oh yes. And the repairs and stuff cuz I remember Lisa was very vocal about some of the repairs and the mold and issues
of such. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So they did they did come forward. >> So this issue do you understand now or is it still confusing? >> It's confusing. >> Well, that's the thing. It's always going to be confusing until you've
>> used it in your head a lot. You know what I mean? It's a used situation. >> Yeah. And we're not. >> So what you're saying should be ratified >> is that basically this is coming for us because the town moderator challenged it.
>> Correct. >> What was the circumstance where he challenged? >> How did he deal? >> I don't remember but he was sitting right here. He was in this room. I >> was last year. >> No, I think was I think it was wasn't
last year. But what was he what was his I guess I'm looking for the impetus. I don't know the answer. What what does he want this to be ratified so the verbiage is correct or >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he said. He said
>> let's proceed for forward and correct the verbiage >> because it's challenge he says that a vote should be taken >> from historic to historical. >> Correct. Correct. >> To include both to include both. But um
>> but you're saying that the vote already >> I say the vote already happened >> and that it was already John says no it's separate it should be separate there in lies the argument there in lies the acts ask for the ratification >> I almost agree with that
>> it's almost the same word I mean >> we should be corrected this is wrong >> but it really means two different things >> because one is for the districts that have been established
>> and the other is if your house is historical but not in a district. >> Oops. >> We can still do this, >> right? >> Yeah, but we're not doing any enforcement. We're not enforcing anything. We're not >> It already says that though, >> right? Well, here's what it is right
here. City of town accepts this section. May establish a historical commission here and after called the commission for the preservation, protection and development of the historical or architectural assets of such city or town. Such commission shall conduct
researches for places of historic or architectural value. Shall cooperate with the state archaeologist in conducting search researchers or other surveys and shall seek to coordinate the activities of unofficial bodies organized for similar purposes. and they
may advertise, prepare, print and distribute books, maps, charts, plans and pamphlets which it deems necessary for its tour for the purpose of protecting and preserving such places. It may make such recommendations recommendations as it deems necessary to the city
council or the selectman and subject to the approval of the city council or selectman to the Massachusetts Historical Commission. >> Historical >> historical commission, right? Because >> not historic. correct that any such place be certified as a historical or
architectural landmark. So if you so in your situation it's >> if this historical commission is ratified you can come to us the historical commission this board because we'd be known as both
>> and you could be ask if your property could be included in his the um historical landmark which would be >> I believe it's called MAC m a c r i s which registers the historical buildings >> right and we would do the research for
them and we would do all the work for you and you would get you in. >> I would just like for us to be able to expand a little bit. I understand we're we're caught up on this verbage glitch, but I mean let's let's broaden out into figuring out how we can get more
>> beautiful historic buildings in on this process. >> Well, that's >> to help them to protect them to keep them in our town for preservation. I mean, that's just a passion to me cuz I see a lot of these old buildings that are just in terrible shape, falling
down, and they're going to get demolished where if we had them in and we could help them and preserve these buildings. >> Well, I also >> even out of the district, it would not >> Well, that's the point. That's the point. Out of the district is the point.
>> And I I wholeheartedly agree. >> Can I ask a question? >> Yes, please. So, if I had a historical house, okay, and I'm not in the district, >> Mhm. >> but I wanted it to be >> marked as a historical house, would it
have would the bylaw have to be amended for the center of town to include my house, but not necessarily the district extends very my house is now in it. I I I believe that you have to re create a
district for your house and be it only your district if be it only my house >> house rather if it's and that becomes the historic district commission. >> Okay. >> It would be a part of the historical district A, B or C.
>> Correct. >> I would be West Towns and so that would be a part of >> you have to recreate district C. >> Yeah. C. Yeah. Three >> historic district one or something. >> No, one two three are already would be number four. >> I would get that clarification first
>> on what >> historic or how you added to what she just asked >> and the only reason I'm saying that is this is going to cause chaos on a town meeting floor. you know,
>> we will cause chaos and thinking that now the district will be extended >> to include your house. >> No, we're not extending the district. We're taking we're creating Oh, >> hey, you're making a new one for one house. All we're doing is ratifying this
already voted on by law. Right. >> I think that would be good if we could. >> In other words, A, B, and C, historic districts. So, I'm historic district C. I would like to be able to put the property into historical status, but it
would only be for the fact to keep it in that status forever in a day. Cuz I know when I leave, I want to make sure that farm is going to stay there. It's not going to change. Right. But that's also another issue with your deed. But >> but more importantly, this is just about
ratifying this so that there's no confusion. I'm trying to eliminate the confusion with these legal things >> that would if you put that onto the floor. >> How could that be confusing? >> If you just say you want to ratify
section seven of the chaos, >> but it's an error. So what do you want? Well, >> no, we'll fix it. We'll fix it. You can change this again. You can amend and ratify. >> You can amend. Yeah, you can amend and
ratify um article >> just like you do any other amendments. >> So, in other words, it's really just changing >> chapter 40 Cap 40. >> It's not anything long drawn and have to do a big reprinting on things. It's
pretty straightforward and simple. >> It's an amendment, right? essentially. >> Yeah, >> I guess you could say it would be an amendment. >> I would say an amendment. >> Yeah, that's how bylaws in my experience like dealing with a condo association
section seven. >> Yeah. >> And accept, right? I mean, the point is that >> specific >> the ambiguity about was this accepted or not. That that was Joe Barrett's position. >> If this was accepted, >> well, it was voted.
>> Well, that's what I said. You said or >> it would have to be if it was voted on preaching to the choir here. >> This one person that said no to
>> they did this something else that would have to go to town council. >> I understand that to review and state how to do it if that's the wishes of the commission to make the correction and put it on special. Yeah. No spring chicken.
>> The warrants open on February 2nd. You know what? >> Right. That's why I wanted to have this meeting discussed so that we can have it. >> It closes on something. So we would have one more meeting.
>> That's okay. But I just wanted to conservation planning board >> because I have to make you have to leave. No, I don't. Oh, okay. >> Yeah. Um, >> was somebody Do you want a motion?
>> Help. Claire's okay. >> I know. I need to worry about that, too. >> Text. >> Yeah. >> Not like her to show up. >> No, she usually is yours. >> No, she called me. >> I can't make Well, I can't make somebody
for a motion. >> I can't make the meeting. Call me later. Okay. She's not coming. Oh, >> she heard from me. She heard from her. She had a text. She >> got a text. >> What she said? I can't >> I can't call me later. >> Oh, okay. >> Um, so who's she
was with notices that you identified? >> Okay. So, Maria Milik, >> oh, good girl. >> I will make a motion. I don't know if I can summarize this to amend the error in the article 46
section 77 mention the year. >> Yeah. Of the meeting 1974. >> So it should have been were you? >> No I wasn't. So >> actually you don't know when the meeting is. This is an annual report, right? We
don't have this isn't dated. Um if >> you want me to go get this annual report and I can look it up. >> Yes. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. >> Um but the amendment >> 74, right? >> Yeah. >> The amendment is from Did you you get that? You know that from
>> section 7. Um it's article 35 section 7, right? >> Yeah. >> Yep. Uh from chapter 40 C to chapter 40.
>> 40. Correct. >> Yeah. >> Chapter 40. >> Section 8 D of 40. >> Are you writing that all out? Maybe it looks >> looks good. Section 40.
>> So in other words, it will go from historical >> historical commission as provided in section 8D of chapter 40. And in this event, a commission may be entitled an historical commission. So then we could say that we're the
historic district/historical commission. We can have that big long title. It will >> confuse everybody even more. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So it would throw confusion all over the place. >> Excuse me. >> It would be it's confusing. >> I'll second your motion.
>> Thank you, Jerry. >> Second. I did. I think it's back. She didn't give us the date. Yeah, cuz you have to have the table. >> Yeah. >> So, I I just think that these things will be clearer and we won't have to visit them again and we won't have to have arguments about it. It'll be done.
>> Good. >> Back in a few minutes. >> In 1977. >> Wa. Look at that. >> I was just graduating. I was class of 76. >> Wow. >> Oh, that's when historic district 3 was made. >> I'm in What's that? Me graduating in 76.
>> 76. Yeah. You would have been youngster >> eligible youngster. >> You are a youngster. >> I guess you're right. >> You say that myself as well. >> It's not the aches and pains. It's the
>> Okay. So, I don't know what article. >> Okay. So section seven. Are you sure it's 356? >> Right here on the top of 46.
>> Yeah, I have 46. Oh, yeah. 46. Article 46. >> Yeah, that's what I have too. Section 7. >> 47. >> You sure was 74? >> Yeah.
Uh 40C is mentioned a great deal in that in the other sections of >> because you're creating they're creating the bylaw under the direction of 40C. >> But yet when it comes to section 7 it's 40 and not 40 C.
>> Correct. Okay. >> Okay. >> Do we know that for sure that the other 40 C's weren't? >> So it was >> that was the only one John challenged you. Oh >> yeah. >> Well, see, I think we're leaving it.
Just that one challenge. It's not a little >> Oh, yeah. Because I think that um you don't have a historical commission per district. You have a historical commission total. >> Total. >> You have historic district commissions per district. >> Per district.
>> I It's very >> It is. It's very challenging. >> It's very challenging. I agree. It took me a long time to to pay attention to that word. I just can't find it. >> It was the annual town meeting April
28th, 1975. >> Oh, 75. >> Yes. >> Okay. April 28th. >> But I think it all obviously started in 74 and they found it. >> Yeah. >> Cuz we don't know when this this map is not there's the map says 1974.
>> I know, but there's no pave. So we don't know where that came from. >> Right. >> Coming in April. April April 28th, 1975. >> Yeah. >> April 8th. >> 28. >> 28. >> 28. >> Okay. So, on the map,
>> is that an annual meeting? >> Yep. >> In April, the map is attached. >> Yep. When we come back next week or next month, I I'll bring the stuff I got from Katie. The map is attached to the bylaw
that's been accepted by the state of Massachusetts that's recorded in the courthouse. >> But that's not part of >> that's not what I have the annual report. >> No, no, no, no. This is where we shouldn't be saying like the >> I don't know. That's just when the map was created
>> cuz we're we're dealing with this annual meeting article. That's exactly correct. The map was a part of that because it was attached to this bylaw >> cuz they had to create the district and
that map created the district by law. >> Yeah. The center is very strange. >> It is. Well, because it's just around the common, right, >> with a couple of emissions >> and the church isn't included on the hill. >> Can I
was the map Yeah. Why was the map included if we have three districts? This doesn't show three districts. >> No, the three districts were created three different times. >> So, the Senate was in 75. >> The first district. >> Yes. And then it was the harbor. And
then it was >> We were the last on the list in the West. Yeah. >> And with the historical that's a whole other issue, you know, >> that's something that now >> I know this is off topic, but that is something that the historical commission
can work on if that's one of your passions and you want to I agree that the agricultural history of this town should be brought forth cuz I think it's been ignored by the historic. >> It has because what what kept this town going? >> Agriculture. If we didn't have the
agriculture, this town would not have existed. >> Exactly. And I do >> and the old brick factories behind my house in the outline >> where the bricks were made there that made the brick store >> in a lot of other buildings. >> No, my house is not. That's 50. >> And yes, because it was a hard face fired brick.
>> And your house was one of them that they made the brick behind my house. >> Interesting. >> And I have the best ball piles and towels in there, too. And the biggest sigmo tree in town. >> There you go. >> There you go. We have the date. There's a motion, a second. And now the date is
April 28th, April 75. Correct. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, any more disc? We have a We have a motion by Maria and we have a second by Jerry Bazikas. We've had discussion. Do we want further discussion? >> Mhm.
>> Can we take out voice? No, you can't. >> Shiff abstain. >> Okay. Yes. >> James Duran. Yes. >> Maria Milikin. Yes. >> Mary Jane Church. Yes. >> Was a nice motion. You did very much.
>> I don't have the oned >> goes to the selectman from there to you first. first two. >> Yeah, it'll go to Karen and then it'll be discussed at select board and then it'll go to town council. >> So, Adam will get you'll be able to do that. That's a
>> we'll discuss it on the 20th if you get it up to >> January 20th. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I'll get it up to him. >> Perfect. >> You guys can have another marathon selectment meeting. >> We're good at I guess.
Oh >> we had a 10hour one went out >> 7 hours. >> Okay let's get back on top so we can get out of here >> old any old business. >> Yes >> there is >> well I already pinged on you earlier >> the discussion we did ask to do meeting
time discussion at the last meeting. >> Yeah >> and so that would have been all business and also what about the postcard? Oh yeah, >> we talked about a mailing going into the tax collector when the taxes go out. >> Oh, right. I forgot about that.
>> Did I miss a meeting? >> Oh, right. >> So, um >> and that is old business. So, do you just want to put that on the next meeting? Yes, I do. I do cuz I really want to get some tax collector just
blurb >> blurb >> like, "Hey, heads up. You're in the district, >> right? Cuz some people might not even know. >> Oh, for sure. >> Oh, I'm sure they don't. >> I do. Mary Jane and I just have to do the online. >> That's appropriate to do before we start
charging fees, too. >> Oh, absolutely. >> Because they can't say they weren't. >> We've been talking about it overnight. >> Okay. So, um, >> tax collector mailing. >> It's tax collector mailing. I getting it mixed up with the census mailing. >> No, tax collector mailing.
>> Yeah. I think the next one it went out January 1st. So, April 1. April 1. So, April ready to go. Okay. >> So, next meeting with whatever ideas
and um >> so we'll take >> and do you want to put the the time discussion then on the next >> okay >> meeting. So, we're all ideas. >> Yeah, we're not going to discuss changing the times of the meeting until
next month. >> I would like to do that since it's not on the agenda. >> Yeah, it's old business. >> Well, nothing is on the agenda. >> It's old business. >> We have old business. >> Can I just put the argument forth about how it's >> Well, let's have a motion first. >> Okay.
>> Or do you want to discuss? I mean, I don't know. Make a motion. I don't think Yeah, we I I think a motion to have a discussion a consideration for a new meeting time. Right. >> Okay. >> I know. We needed a motion, but I would like to motion that we have discussion about changing the meeting times due to hardship on other members so we can get
a full board forward. >> Okay. I'll second that. Marian Milican. Okay. >> Outstanding. Second, John. Good job. >> So, in discussion, >> but do you understand why I bring bring it forth? I mean,
for six years when I was on conservation, they kicked the meetings up to 7:30 to accommodate me because I couldn't get to this building any earlier than 7:30. And it isn't like anyone enjoyed it. But it was done for
the necessity of a, you know, me as the commissioner and chairman. So we have young family members presently which would be three new members that have children and husbands and families. >> What this like this one
>> one one in particular I know Jen's it's her work schedule. So >> she she she's alternate. She's not >> an alternate is just as important as a 45. >> So but you're talking about kids. Does she have kids? >> Who's she? Jennifer. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> I have kids. Well, I have children, too. >> That's right. >> Uh, my biggest reason would be for um for work. Um, just it's inconvenient in the middle of the afternoon. And I'm just giving my opinion. Um, I would say
it it might be nice to try a different time. Um, and then Jen might be able to show up if it's not on Thursday at 3:00. And it truth be told, the reasons why I didn't make these other meetings is cuz
I'm I if the sun is out, I have to be working on the farm. I have to be doing stuff helping guys hay doing what I keeping these guys people working there going and and I can't and I don't want to miss meetings. I don't >> and I know we've done that on town
properties and housing authority and even the select board meetings. We have them. we we can't be consistent because we have so if something happens we need to address it. Okay. But I think 5 or 5:30 is probably a better
time for everybody to get their day done with and then grab something to eat and and come and do an hour. Um because we you know really most of the meetings here have been an hour >> which is great. Mhm. >> You know that you're going to be
committed for that time, but I think we're not going to be here forever. >> Wow. >> Really? >> And other people who are coming on new and who we'd like to see take over. This is my feeling. >> Um
should should I'm not retired. >> Okay, let me give you a little bit of the history of why this occurred. It's not historical and it can't be because it's at the historic district commission that you could only meet at 3:00. That can't be it.
>> At least you put a little grin on your face cuz you >> It's because I don't even get a chance to speak before. >> Go ahead. I I would like to hear what happened. >> Before I became the chairman, the meetings were not set.
>> The only time we met was when an applicant came. We got no business done. Zero. Which is why we don't have fees. Which is why we don't have the postcard. Which is why we don't have anything done. >> So the last structure. >> So when I became the chair, I said,
"Okay, we've got to stop with this whenever." Because then I would have to gather everybody together, find out, could you meet Lori? Could you meet Jerry? Kathy, could you meet Claire? Could you meet Susan Girkin? Could you meet and all that? That took like an hour and a half of out of the time to get the right day because it wasn't even
a day. It could be a Monday. It could have been a Friday. It could have been whenever. So when I became the chair, I said, "This is it. We want to have a set day. That way we would know when we got an application when we could prepare for it and get it done." >> The board voted to do it at 3:00 on
Thursday. That was that wasn't my direction. That was what happened. >> Okay. >> So before that, it was just random. things change. >> That was inconvenient. >> Could I um make a suggestion? Could we do a survey? How many of us are there? 1
2 3 4 5 >> Well, there's seven. Seven total seating and two alternates. >> Two alternates. >> So, nine, >> Kathy. Yeah. >> So, could we take a survey and say what works for you? >> I mean, I could >> Well, I mean, how about the fact that we
have Zoom? Couldn't you zoom from the office? Okay, I have zoomed these meetings and it's not as effective. Okay, and you are the one that originally said that. So, kudos to you. >> It's okay to listen. I've done it from I've done it from meetings. I've done it
when I'm traveling. I'll be in Colorado with my family on a ski vacation next month. So, I'll do it. You will not hear from me very often. I'll be sitting there listening. Yeah. >> I'll be taking notes, but I won't be involved in discussion. It's just not as effective.
>> It is not. I've chaired meetings virtually. >> Yeah, you you make it work. For sure. Oh, same. If >> I need to make it work, I make it work. >> Yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly. >> But someone who's working as a waitress on Thursday afternoons cannot zoom.
That's the problem for Jen. I'm just bringing her up cuz she's one of nine people. I wonder if, you know, the historic society might be a better fit for her. >> I don't know. >> Why would society be better? Because >> Well, it isn't just her, though. We're talking about everybody in a future.
>> Mhm. >> But I don't think it's just the younger. I mean, I'm almost 70 and I high school. I I don't want to do a 3:00 meeting. >> Yeah. So, could we take a survey of what works best for people? >> Sure. Well, I know what days don't work for people for me.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I >> have a very active schedule. >> I do. >> I do. >> I cannot. >> I do, too. I work full-time and I I'm on a couple of boards. >> Exactly. Um I would be willing to do a survey if you need it to be in print because you
don't do >> when you talk about a survey like who are you going to survey >> the nine people just say just the word it's just a way to collect information >> okay >> or could we go for a trial period and call next meeting >> when you want to hit the meeting when do you want to change it to
>> what's going for everybody the problem with that is that what what's happening with fin >> well we got Vincom. I don't know what that is. >> You're on another. >> So am I. >> And you're on Fin.
>> Yeah, but you guys meet in the morning. >> Well, you just met the other day when I came in here. You were in here? >> No. >> Oh, you all the same people. What time is your meeting?
>> What time is your meeting for that group? No, that was not a group. That was a mailing group. That was she was talking about financ. We can work through changing the hours. It is not that much of a >> do a survey. >> Do a survey. >> Or could we just do a trial? Maybe shoot
for 5:30 next meeting >> to see if it works. >> What day? >> Th Well, we meet on Thursdays. Does Thursday night work? >> No. Thursday night does not work. >> Or you. >> Okay. Or you. >> Kathy, does it work for you? >> No. >> Jerry, does it work for you? No. Does it work for you, Jim?
>> If it doesn't work for you girls, it won't work for me. >> Yeah, exactly. I will I will >> I can do Wednesday at 5 or 5:30. >> If it's 5:30, I got to get Monday. >> I have to be done by, >> you know, Monday, Tuesday.
>> If it's at 5:30, that works. Cuz as long as I can get kicked out of here for 7:00 to go upstairs for my um conservation meeting. >> That's a long evening >> for me. No, that's fine. >> We have another >> Okay. Why don't you take the survey and get back to us? >> Can I have everybody's email address?
But there are I'll just have to call you. >> I don't email. No, I got a really nice computer and I know how to turn it on. >> One, two, three, four, five. And I have yours. So, six. Who am I missing? Jen, >> Claire.
>> Claire. Does she do Susan? >> And And I can email you and you can give me everyone's emails. You should have everyone's emails. >> Not everybody's on >> but Susan and Claire must be.
>> Okay. And I can get Jen's. >> Okay. And then Mary Jean. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. >> Okay. >> When are we having our next meeting? >> I got to set that. >> We should just still do that at 3. You
said the 12th, right? And then we'll have >> So we're going to stay at 3:00 at the time being done. >> It sounds that way. Okay. If you want I can do anytime uh later on the 12th. >> Okay.
Yeah. Okay. Let's see how my surveying goes. >> Okay. >> And I'll keep everyone in the loop. How's that? >> Sounds good. Sounds good. >> Can I have a motion to >> All right. One more quick thing. What else can we do to bring other I mean we have a full board and that's
good and but what else can we do to get like more people notified more people on board with the historical commission what we're doing >> the postcard >> the postcard >> the postcard would be the better >> we do we don't have a we don't have a budget because we don't have any money
>> yeah but the the the discussion was to put it in the tax collector's go on to there >> so it's just copying a notice which can be a half a sheet print sheet or whatever. >> I mean, whatever that dream, I can print it. >> She can print them off for nothing.
Fine. >> Yeah, absolutely. That's a volunteer. >> That's a volunteer. >> Yeah. Okay. >> And I can also help with the design. I'll bring a sample. >> Perfect. >> Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. >> Mine was rejected. So, >> can you share with
me? We know we're all thankful. >> Motion to adjourn and >> 4:20 p.m. Laura Shiffren second. >> James second. >> Yes. >> Jerry. >> Yep.
>> Yes. >> Maria Milikin. Yes. >> Okay. All right. We'll say thank you. Thank you. >> What's coming in the