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I have an extra. Good afternoon everyone. Thank you for coming. I would like to call the HP meeting to order at 3:00 on this Thursday, July 16th. May I please have a roll call here?

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>> James present. >> I'll be here. >> Susan present. James. >> Okay. is here. >> Do you have copy of the agenda and everything?

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Okay. Go ahead. >> No, but I didn't have one made you. >> I don't we can jump. That's >> okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> Okay. So, um, we are being reported by

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Tam. Is anyone else reporting? And I have members of the public here. We have Maggie >> Jones. Hi. How are you? Good. How are you? >> Maggie's from Steuart Flores and Craig. >> Yes, my name is Craig Moore from New Hampshire Signs on behalf of the UPS

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store. >> Great. Welcome. Thanks for coming. Okay, first item I want to take care of is the 252 Main Streets, which is Maggie's, which is the one that we left last time.

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Maggie. So, I've spoken to Maggie. She's here if we have questions for her. And um I'd like to introduce you to our board. Just so you know who's doing what. This is Gerilyn Bazikas to my left. Laura

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Shiffren, James Doryan, Claire Cali, Caitlyn Sprawford, William Milikin, and Susan Bergen. >> So, we're deciding the fate of your son. >> [laughter] >> So,

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as you can see, the flower is gone. >> I like the sign though. Very nice. Good. I'm glad. >> Yeah. Was nice. >> Very nice. I mean, the the flower was nice. Don't get us wrong. Not that we didn't like the flower. I love the

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flower, >> but the rules. I got the motion. Thank you very much. No problem. >> So, um, can I make a motion to accept those? I'll make a motion. Is that the new sign for the floor? Steuart forest. >> I second that.

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>> Any discussion on the sign for Steuart for >> can >> the colors? Are they black with gold lettering? They're dark green. I believe >> the color I'm proposing is ethics green. So, it's a blackish green from the

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Benmore historical collection. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> And the letters are what? >> Gold. >> Gold. English. >> And that was seen on the if I may. >> Yeah. >> Online when we got the photos. Remember before the last meeting, the colors were

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there and they're beautiful. And congratulations. >> Thank you so much. >> So, if I have a roll call vote, >> yes. >> Laura Shepron, yes. >> James Dan, yes. >> Blake Calby, yes. >> Maria Milikin, yes. >> Susan Griffin, yes.

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>> Mary Jane Churchill, yes. unanimous vote that we will issue certificate if appropriate. Let's pick a sign. So, I'm going to send this down so we can all sign it and >> so while we're signing this and then um what what I'll do is I'll have someone

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bring it into the office. Oh, hi. How are you? Well, Mr. Thearian is here. I just want to So, um, we'll wait to the office and get it stamped in so you can >> And we also put it in the box for the building inspector. >> So, you won't have to do anything. >> Oh, perfect. And is there the the shapes

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of the signs are a little bit different? Am I getting approved for >> the whole thing? Okay, good to go. Thank you so much. >> When are you opening? >> Um, I'm hoping to open August 18th at the latest. >> Oh, very nice. >> I would like to open on the 8th. I feel like 88 is a good date, [laughter]

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>> but we'll see. There's work to be done. I agree that 88 is a good day. >> That's a good one, right? >> Yeah. 26. 2 plus 6 is eight. >> Oh, factor in the two and the zero in 2026, but you know, >> I like it. >> Interesting. Okay.

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>> Never know. Okay. So, the second item, which I'm very excited about. Frag Moore is here for UPS. Did everybody get to see what UPS did? Yes. Yes, but it looks excellent.

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>> I mean, it is what it is. >> Yeah. Well, yeah, it's not beautiful, but it does the trick. >> It's simple and it's it's within the guidelines, Craig. It looks really really good. >> Yeah. Appreciate. >> We took the board's recommendation. We removed the shield and uh yeah, we

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simplified the sign. So, this will do the trick. >> Yeah. Now, get the other side. Just one question. >> Yes. >> I'm sorry. You just you completely cut out. I couldn't hear the question at

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all. >> Okay. Um >> I hear your voice back now. >> Okay. What we're looking at is a black and white sign. Shows your lettering to be white, right? Or beige or whatever. I'm

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sorry. We have a black and white piece in front of >> the face is white. Yes. >> Hey, Lori. I'm sorry, but your audio is going in and out. >> It's not just mine. the audio. Can somebody come and help us

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with the audio? >> Can you hear? >> Sometimes Sometimes we can hear you and then it kind of like fades out. >> Okay. >> You might have to just talk closer to the microphone. >> Up there. Okay. Don't do that. [laughter]

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on occasion when uh someone from the outside coming in it for whatever reason it might for a minute knock out the owl. I haven't figured that one out. This is un rare occasions.

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>> Did I shut the doors? Are you talking about people walking in the hall? It's 2026. We shouldn't be having this issue. Um, >> you're speaking. >> Can you hear us now? >> Can you face the face the microphone? >> You can hear me now. >> I can.

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>> Okay. >> The picture has white lettering. The roof that we're looking the new roof looks to be a beige. Is there going to be a contrast in the

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color? >> The roof. The roof is very dark. It's like it's it's a um it's like a cedar shingle that's weathered. Um the the face of that. >> Is it dark? >> No. >> It was new. It's new shingles. Yeah. >> Oh, sorry. My old rendering. I haven't

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been there since they knew they shingled it. The the faces are white. >> Yes, it's natural wood. No, the faces the faces are in fact white and the returns which are the sides and the outline of the letters is a dark brown.

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It's actually called um autumn brown. It's UPS's standard color. >> Okay. Okay. I was just mine was more a concern comment. Is it going to show up enough? >> Yeah. So, the nice thing about having a

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dark a dark side to a white face is that when you view this at any angles, it'll give you that contrast, too. >> Right. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Nice. >> And with the cheeks, they're going to darken up in time. They're natural right now. So, if they look a little brighter

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environment with a more natural >> 6 months from now, a year from now, it'll be completely different. >> I mean, they're nice. I mean, it looks nice. >> Yeah. But they never stay the same naturally. Let's move ahead and make a motion that we accept the UPS letters. >> Thank you. >> I so move.

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>> Okay. Any further discussion on the UPS side? >> Great. And can I please have a roll call vote? Gerald, yes. >> Laura Shep, yes. >> James Dorian, yes. >> Copy, yes. >> Maria Milikin, yes. >> Susan Girkin, yes.

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>> Marian Churchill, yes. Unanimous. So, thank you, Craig. I'm going to issue the certificate of appropriateness. You have any questions? >> No, I appreciate you guys. Thank you very much. We lost your audio again for a second. >> Excuse me.

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>> Okay, now it's back. >> Okay. >> So, next item on the agenda is the discussion for volunteers for HTC. So, um, I want to start out with letting

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you know we have two reappoints, Gerald Mazikas and Claire Cali. Is everyone clear on that? That they're reappoints. They're not new positions. >> They're vacancies to be reappointed so others can be appointed to those

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vacancies. >> Reappoint. >> No, I understand that. I understand that very very clearly. Okay, >> very clearly. Um, I just want people to know that it's not new people. It's people that have been on the board and they're reappoint. Just clearing that up.

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>> The second is that we have Robert Burian. He's in the room right now. Hi, Robert. Thanks for showing up. >> Um, to he has put in an application, but he does not want a permanent position on the board. Correct. >> It doesn't matter.

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>> Oh, you don't care. Okay. All right. So you could be on the board >> as your >> or an out [clears throat] on the board as a regular member or as an alternate. Correct. >> I'm sorry.

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>> Oh, bring your chair up. All right. >> So, you want to be um on the board as a member or as an alternate, either spot. Correct. >> Um again, it doesn't matter. Um I just want to participate as much as possible. I'll vote.

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>> You're an original member. I'm I'm not sure. My mother was >> Yeah, but I think you are. >> So, when we first started, we voted on it for >> I guess what my question is for your expertise is

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do you want to be involved in matters like the sign as opposed to matters like the architectural integrity of a building? >> Um, well, I know where the most valuable

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And I would be most valuable in terms of architectural treatments and style. [clears throat] I would be valuable in terms of what I've experienced with other

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historic districts um and what they're doing. Um, so my role here, I think, or what I'd like to be is, um,

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you know, um, and give some reliable information. And I think because of my historic background and knowledge and the documents I have,

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everybody on this commission will have a greater awareness of historic architecture and the components of it and the reasons behind it. And so my role is more like an informative person

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to provide a lot of new knowledge. And so as members I mean what happens frequently with these commissions is um whatever knowledge is presented

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during one particular academic season doesn't necessarily go forward. you know what he means to other members and so that continues on in multiple

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generations of of um commissions. >> Mhm. No, absolutely. Yeah. Right. No question. >> And sometimes it gets lost. >> Yeah. Yeah. Most often it does. So um by my giving some more background to things

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hopefully you know other members will remember those things and as the membership changes over time >> they'll have all that exper exposure. >> Oh that's a good idea for the for the future. But those are I

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mean signs, you know, I'd be probably in the same position as anyone else on this board. >> Right. Right. That that's I wanted to clear that up because I just didn't want to waste your knowledge or your time.

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Well, the other thing is um I uh I'm willing to put as much time in as I can, >> but I do have limitations, >> right, >> on that both physical and personal. So,

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>> so do you think in the long and the short of it? Well, be just as good as an alternate and then when we find ourselves heading into something that's going to have a lot of architectural questions with it or building designs

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when we could call you for those specifics cuz you're specifically of the period architecture and knowledge as we all are. But >> well, where would you best think you >> would serve us? >> I think as a member or

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>> I think a permanent member would be the optimum. >> Okay. >> And an alternate can fill in when I'm not available. >> Okay. All right. That that that's that's good. >> I mean that seems to make sense. >> Y then I'll feel more comfortable if I'm not here.

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>> Meaning [clears throat] >> Yep. >> as a member or an alternate as an alternate point. >> Yeah. point of order. He's already answered that question. It's been asked and it's been answered. He wants he said that he' be better on the board. Okay. So, we'll move to the next person who is

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I believe on Zoom. Is that you? >> Are you on Zoom? >> Is that Miss Santiago? >> Yes, that that's me. >> Oh, okay. Okay. Welcome to >> There we go. >> Okay. Hi. Um, thank you for zooming in.

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Um, I want you to meet the board. We have Gerald Deikas, Laura Shiffren, James Dorian, Claire Calpy, Kathleen Spa is an alternate, Maria Milikin. >> Hi there. >> Robert Darian, and Susan Girkin, long time members.

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>> So, hi everybody. >> Questions to start. First of all, how do you pronounce your first name? >> Jasmir. >> Oh, >> Jasmir. >> That's your first name. Okay. >> What's the M?

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>> Oh, I'm sorry. So, my legal first name is Migueli. >> Oh, okay. That's how you filled it out. Okay. All right. >> All right. Very good. Does anyone have any questions for Jasmir? >> Jasmir, how long have you have you lived

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in town? Uh, so I was active duty, so I came and went a lot. Um, but I was stationed here in 2018. Um, I just retired from the military, so now I am officially staying

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in Townsen for a little bit. Um, but yeah, >> being in Townsen for a little bit, meaning you're going to move. >> Oh, no. So I do have a primary home here in uh Townsen. Um it's just I have

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properties in other states. Um so my primary my residency is here in Townsen. Um but I would be coming and going every now and then. Um but it won't uh it won't intercept with any of the meetings

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or anything. I can be available by Zoom. So, um, can you expand on what architect experience you had? It was on your application. >> Yes. So, I actually, um, so I studied civil engineering, architectural

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drafting, architecture with a minor in digital representation. Um, and I also did cyber security and real estate. >> Well, nice. So I I did a little bit of every a little bit of everything. Um but

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then also I do have the military background uh which is completely different. I was a military police um which they gave us uh knowledge in criminal uh justice as well.

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>> Okay. So that's good. Um now are you affiliated with anyone on this board or are you related to anyone on the board? >> Uh I do know Laura Shiffren um and I am

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part of committees of agriculture TAM and uh commission on disability. >> Oh okay. So you're on other commissions. >> Yeah. >> So say again it wasility agriculture. >> Yeah. uh Commission on Disability

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Agriculture and TCAM. Oh, I think the audio kind of left again. Let me talk from here. Can you hear me over there? >> Yeah, I can I can hear you now. Oh, there we go. >> Okay. Um,

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very very nice. All right. So, um, thank you for your time and what we're going to do is we're going to have discussion and then we've got extra people. So, we're going to have to make some hard decisions here for the board. >> Can we ask some questions, too?

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>> Yes. Yeah. You mean of the people or in general? >> In general. >> Oh, sure. Of course. But we're not in discussion yet. Well, >> no, we're not in discussion. >> I don't have a question. >> Sure. Go ahead. I was um appointed in September of 24. So

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my first meeting was October of 24. >> So I really didn't know anybody that was on the board before >> me. >> So you were at the first meeting that I was at and you chaired it. Um Lisa Straws

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was here helping us out. I think Jerry Lynn was here. >> I just came in the same >> the same time. just you were on the board before then >> and Claire, how long have you been on? >> Oh god. >> Niles and Michelle.

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>> Okay. So I Niles had my the real estate position and he did for decades I think. >> Right. >> Um and he taught architecture um to the real estate. >> We had we had continuing at Bevlish. So I I was taking his place but I didn't

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know anybody that was on the board. Um, >> you and your husband were on the board, I think. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> you took my place when they did reappoint me. >> I was appointed in September and you were already on when I came on.

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>> I got reappointed in September. >> You chaired the meeting in October? >> Yeah, I Okay. >> So, when you got appointed after I was appointed, but before October? >> No, I don't not any either. I'm trying

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to I was reading the minutes for two two days. >> Where was going with this? >> Where >> I just wanted I really wanted to know how long Claire was on. >> So decades. >> Decades. >> I think I was on six years. >> Yeah. At least >> right when you came on the band. When

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did you do the band? >> Before it was something before the band was on the band committee. >> Right. 23. >> How long have you been on? >> A long time. >> Yeah. Decades.

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>> Yeah. Since it was on when I came on. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Oh my [clears throat] goodness. >> Okay. >> I was five. [laughter] [clears throat] >> I don't remember what year it was. >> Yeah. >> Your mother was on >> when we first started it. I think >> the real estate.

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>> I live in a historic district and that's why >> you're right. >> Yeah. But that that committee, that commission was different than this one. >> That's right. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. >> So, you're a district res. You're a

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district. >> Mhm. >> You're a historical society member at this point, right? >> At this point. >> Yeah. But you're a district that would probably >> true nothing to do with the historic historic

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>> would be less than >> a district and that's all on the uh if possible I know I get that but but >> I understand that completely trust me >> better than anyone else on this board the if possible thing. So I don't want

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to have to play that game the if possible game if we have qualified people within the district. I don't want to bump somebody and get someone who's not in the district or not a member of the society or not a real estate agent or not an architect if I have if we have

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that membership available that that volunteer available. >> I think the only thing we're missing is a lawyer and we don't need a lawyer. I think in the beginning we did >> but I think in the beginning we did it was that was stated >> I don't I don't think the new

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>> okay >> no it's it's historical >> historical society >> right real estate agent >> architect that's >> and what is the reason if you are or are not living in the district

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>> what's your question again. Excuse me. >> I is what is I do not live in the historic district. >> That's not that's not me. >> You read my laws to find out what the comp the board should be comprised of. >> Yeah. >> Then >> my question is there isn't any problem

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if you do or you do not >> live in the historic district as a member. That's I'm all I'm trying to understand. >> That was just one of the things that they were looking for in the beginning. In other words, you would try to see people from [clears throat]

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different it wasn't >> just wanted to make you know a general perspective from everybody. >> Right. >> Okay. So, I have a question. If we take votes on different positions and the different volunteers,

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it's going to go up to the board of selectment for the appointments. Select board select board. So, um, do they take our recommendations or do they do what they want?

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>> Well, recently they didn't they they appointed someone. >> Yes. >> They didn't come here to to um >> Thank you. >> Yeah, that that's twice. They know that. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> So, that's what I want. They're the nominating body and when they make a

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decision, the decision is >> the last time that that was done, there was no recommendations that went to them. >> And it was a time period that was involved. >> This time you have put it on your agenda

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to discuss and you can send it to them your recommendations. They don't have to accept your recommendations, but they can they can consider them. and now you've met to make the consideration. The only other comment that I would make

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is um I I've served since 81 on boards for the town and on every board that I've served. I've always looked to replace myself if I could, you know, you have to keep bringing people on because you're not

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going to be here forever no matter what board it is, right? Okay. So I mean I was on finance for 12 years and that was enough. >> But I I served on assessing board for as well that was elected different than appointed but

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>> um from 91 until um I I was on the select board and that was an elected position but I replaced myself with people on town properties. It was the same thing. you find people to come in

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>> that are new and bring a new perspective. >> I've already >> been there after you >> and I've already thought about that for myself. Um someone that just moved into West Towns and um I haven't I haven't seen her a little while but I was born I don't know how long she's planning to

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stay in West Towns and she's two houses down >> and that's great. And that's great. You're up I think in 28. >> Okay. So that's what we're looking for. You know I would think to keep viability for the community,

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[clears throat] not just this one board or >> controlling things. >> Excuse me. What? >> I'm sorry. >> I'm not just I didn't mean just one

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board. Okay. But I do mean that we need to give out opportunities and and appreciate those people that volunteers that come forward. If we if we don't have more volunteers coming forward, we're in a real pickle. >> Does every com Does every board get this

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from the talk? >> I've seen it on zoning. I've seen it on planning. Absolutely. >> Okay. Well, don't get upset. Just ask him a question. Just ask him a question. That's all. >> Um All right.

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Yes. I understand what Laur is saying because we do need new volunteers all the time, but I also don't think you should discount the experience of people that's been on a board for a while >> and we have to

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>> do you know what I mean? I mean you for instance was on planning board for how long? >> Seven years, eight years. >> So that would have been to lose you off of that board >> hardship to the board. Well, I I felt

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okay when when I had left and and Satie has got a a great chairman now and uh Robert's still there and Carol does a great job. Yeah. >> You know, and they've brought on Cindy Kang, Brett King, >> not related, I guess, but I don't know.

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>> Um >> Yeah, I think as a job now, >> they're you know, and zoning now is having some difficulty. you know, they've got they're getting some um I mean, I know because I see all the people that >> new members on Zoom.

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>> Yeah. And they were they were interviewed and >> so are you questions? >> This little speech um show that [clears throat] >> Excuse me. >> It's not a little speech. She's just bringing things to our attention [clears throat]

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in a educational sense. I mean, I'm gonna make this real. I know. >> Wasn't the Okay. >> Okay. Because I've been on a lot of boards with you.

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>> What What are you serving on now? >> Um right now I'm on finance which I'm also up um for whatever I'm on water. >> Yeah. Doing a great job >> and um I enjoy the water >> and I'm

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considering several of the boards that I might go on. So I'm not dying. >> No. That's kind of where I was thinking that you were like trying to >> No, I'm not >> push people out here.

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>> Nobody's Nobody's trying to push anybody out. >> That was the impression. I just think that it's >> Did you feel that? >> Did you feel that I was trying to push you out? >> No. >> No, but I >> that would not be the case. Oh, there is there is a faction on this board that

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has upset me for a while and um I I really feel as though that um there's a lot of controversy on this board and I'm not I really don't I don't care for the controversy. I like meetings are productive and I feel as

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though these meetings have been productive but there's been a few incidences that I that we that I feel as though should never have happened. >> I second that. >> Interesting. >> So and I don't that's the way it is. >> Mhm. >> And I'll third it.

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>> There you go. What do you mean you'll third it? >> I said she going >> we could do unanimous. [laughter] So, I've enjoyed myself here, but I think I'm going to do something else.

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>> Thank you very much. Bless you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Not for resigning. Thank you for all you've done. >> Yes. >> And what you're still going to do? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And you're you're on finance.

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>> She's finance. >> That's a lot. That's a tough one. That's a tough one. It's true. >> Well, water department on the water department. >> I guess we don't have to consider your plate. Is that what you're telling me?

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>> That's correct. I'm sorry to hear that. >> Um, okay. Let's go to Claire. How do you feel, Claire? Am I putting you on spot? >> Yes, you are.

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>> Okay, I won't then. I'm sorry. >> That's all right. >> I have very mixed feelings and I have been sorry for >> Can I ask you the same question? >> Yes. >> Because I don't I don't think I ever

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worked on any committee with you until this one. >> Are you serving or have you served on other committees? for the town for the town. No, I haven't served here because I've been

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so involved with the historical society that that has consumed me. >> So when Oh, [clears throat] but you were on the society. I do remember that. Um,

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were you on the historic district at the same time? >> Yes. Oh, so was I. So was I. Well, the thing says two people.

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>> There's limited to two people though. >> Okay. But you all have other qualifications too that fall under there. >> Well, you were in the district. >> Yeah, I was in district. You were always a district first because the district

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would be the highest tier. Yeah. Do you understand that? Highest tier [clears throat] of membership. >> Actually I >> no I don't >> meaning time is what >> in terms of the dis if you're in the district your house is in the district.

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So you are under the the rules and regulations just by living there and you have vested interest so to speak in in >> and then there would be the um the other

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things the architect and real estate agent the um historical district member >> and then the two random people or however many there are two seven all together isn't it? Mhm. Governor on that.

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>> So that's like if I volunteered put my house in volunteer historical I'd have to go on the guidelines of that house being under HDC. >> So you want to table your position as opposed to what they're

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talking about it and feeling uncomfortable. Oh, well the table it means you're coming back to it anyway. >> Well, I think they want to make I think that we're being a little bit I think the me the meta message is let's get this done. [clears throat] All right.

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Well, I I'll follow Gerald in that and and resign. my uh comments something that >> I I feel this is an awkward discussion and >> always feel awkward.

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>> That's what this meeting this is what this board has become very very awkward. >> I'm sorry >> that is what this board has become. It used to be real. >> Okay. So I'm >> hopefully my participation here I can just have

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everything just focused on >> the work to be done >> and then everybody will have the same kind of objective and there any any other weird you know it's so hard when you're

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dealing with personality you don't want to offend anybody and Um, so I think if we just focus on what the task at hand is, no matter who's on the board, you know, and I think it's appropriate to

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have, you know, as many people that could be representative communitywide, such as people from that would live in the district or people that are involved

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with real estate. So the guidelines under the the state 40C basically promotes trying to get those kind of individuals >> with the assumption they all be

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contributing helpful things, >> right? >> Um so um I I'm just >> but can I just interrupt one second? >> I'm just like this is we're spending a lot of time on something >> because here four this board was all

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about the historic district and then certain agendas got pushed into it which skewed this positions and that's where the tensions have been coming in and we've been dealing with it for probably around three maybe three

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>> what's it 27 >> more >> that's a little big I don't understand what you meant >> by something >> so that's what's happening here so that's Why? That's why what you're recognizing is what there's longtime people that have been

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here and those decisions have been made through the town to keep the town with historic integrity. >> And then people came in as >> without that knowledge.

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>> Obviously, not everyone has it and with agendas. And that's where we sort of thing parted ways [clears throat] as a body total. >> That's what we have. So we have different factions now which we never

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had before. Everybody's on the same page. Historical architectural the end. But that gets skewed. So that's where we are now. And um >> I'm sorry to see Claire and Jerry Lee because their knowledge is any value.

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>> But if if if the board decides that that knowledge is not what they're looking for, then we have to acquies to that. I don't think that's what we've said. Um, Claire, would you be um open to if Jen

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vacates the seat because my understanding is the letter was not written to her to resign. Would you be open to the alternate position with your knowledge for the board? Yes, I I I would step aside from being

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an ultimate. I would really apprec I as a member would really appreciate that in your knowledge decades more than what I would have or anybody else that's new here. I think that would be important.

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Thank you. I think we can all work together and be in agreement. I would hope so. All right. Um, so I don't I think she had to take her phone off. We can wait for her to come

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back. I have um just so that everybody knows I um because some questions came up about um the officers and things like that. I've looked through the minutes from 2022 that were online until now. There's

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a number of minutes that are missing. There's there are no agendas that say reorganization of the board, which is part of 40C. It's in the law that annually you elect a chairman, a vice chairman, and a clerk.

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>> And I don't see it anywhere in in the documents. So, I would hope that at the next meeting, uh, reorganization will be put on there and hopefully Did you get to talk to Jen? cuz um Mary did not send.

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>> Yes, I asked her to submit a letter of resignation and she's willing to do so. >> Jen Ra. >> Yeah, she's happy. We'll free up >> um >> an alternate alternate. >> Yeah, she's happy to do so just because she can't make it to the Thursday meeting.

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>> So, it's just been the majority of just a schedule because she worked at on Thursdays. >> Yeah. Oh, and um but I don't know that she has or will. She said she will. [laughter] >> Well, maybe you can ask her again because I'll follow up now. It's really

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relevant after today. >> I will follow up. But um >> Jen, >> so the other thing I saw because it's been inconvenient for a number of people to do 3:00, but what I also saw in the past minutes

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since 2022, well, I I saw that notice that Lisa Brothers was chairman and she was very helpful when I first came on. um was she was chairman and everybody used to sign the minutes. Um I have

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those copies that were done and they met at 4, 4:15, 5 or 6, they I only saw one meeting at 3 and then after the 5:00 meeting, which was my first meeting,

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um every meeting was 3:00 >> because 5:00 is the supper hour and it was inconvenient. >> Well, that one meeting, but before that it was 4 14

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6:00, you know, and you've got people at home waiting for dinner. >> Yeah, I get that. I get that. >> But 4, I think, or 4:30 works better. And we could normally we're done three within 30 minutes or an hour, you know,

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so you're still home at dinner time. I think it should have been a discussion. What happened was it was just automatic. >> We discussed it. >> Yeah. We're just going to step over and over and over again. >> You only missed that 5:00 is the supper

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hour and I didn't realize that. meaning that's why we went instead of later earlier before dinner. [clears throat] >> Okay, I got you. >> Okay, I'm going to um submit my resignation >> with um J.

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So, I don't know where that puts I guess I have to finish out today, but um congratulations. Before we go too far, do we have the minutes for the last? >> No, you don't because I said that I

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[clears throat] was going to be clerk and I failed. >> Okay. Only because I >> No, Claire, we've already discussed the minutes and it was not supposed to be until the next regular monthly meeting, which would be in August. This is not a regular monthly meeting. This is a special meeting so that we could

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accommodate the applicants. That would have been Maggie and UPS. Just trying to get caught up. I just had it manually bothering. >> Not my fault. You're resigning. So, we'll get to it. >> Well, okay. So, I don't know what you

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want to do. >> Absolutely. 100%. Absolutely. >> Um the meeting, right? And um well, aren't you going to vote on the applicants? There's no

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>> they have to accept our resignation first. I mean, there is an or process. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> A letter has to be presented. It has to be read and has to be accepted. It has to be a motion made on it. >> Is that the same for Jerry Lynn? >> Yes, it's the same for anyone who's

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resigning from this board from the from the uh HDC. >> Is anyone writing? Yeah. Okay. >> So, no different if I were to leave conservation. You go to the clerk and you you submit your resation,

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>> but it's different with HTZ run by the state, not by the town. >> Your resignation goes to the state >> and our charter. >> Yeah. The town under our charter, >> right? The state, the commonwealth, and

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our charter. Anything that's not mentioned in the charter is defaulted to the common letter. >> Well, it's been good. I I guess we've got a lot of work ahead of us, the new the people that going to stay into the commission. >> So, we've got a lot of pieces to pick up

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if we see the members leading. [clears throat] And I thank you for the timing and knowledge you gave me. Well, what just what we should do then is the two applicants were discussed. There were four applicants.

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The the board can move forward. Robert Theion and Yzmir Santiago for the open positions that can be done. Their their terms are actually up June

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30th. So those two seats can be built. Um is there a motion >> by the select board? Select board. >> Yeah. >> What is the motion? >> The motion is to appoint Robert Theion

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and Yasmir Santiago >> to positions of the board. >> Well, they're the applicants. No, but what I'm saying is >> Kathy's still on as an alternate, >> but as an alternate, you wouldn't you

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want to come up onto the board and not maintain as an alternate? >> No. >> Ultimately, as an alternate, isn't that just slowly bringing you on to the commission? >> No. >> No. It's >> a separate position. >> It is.

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>> Miss, she had that till the 28. She's just as good if Robert comes on as a as a full member >> instead of an alternate that way. >> That would be to me much better to bring you on is a full member. That would be

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real good >> architecture time in town. It's just you stretching your schedule cuz you're on an alternate when I'm not here. That would work. All right, Eric. Yeah, I

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don't um I'm not sure that we need to make two motions because they both expire the same year and Robert is filming the architect seat

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and the other would Chris be an embassy. >> What other board are you on? I know planning on >> with Maria ZBA. >> Okay. [snorts] >> Community preservation committee which

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we have a meeting after this one >> at 6:00. >> Right. >> And then both of you planning board too. So >> planning boards Monday. So Thursdays doesn't >> Well, it's kind of nice because Thursday

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I know it's committee day, you know what I mean? So like so >> even though it's kind of good they're back to back because then I can just schedule the whole day out instead of having >> appointments every different day of the week

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>> to town. >> So do we have that motion or do you still want to >> follow through with the responsibilities of the chair is he as of this moment is not finishing her responsibilities as the chair.

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>> No, she's finished. She's at the meeting left. >> She's walked out of the meeting twice. So, we'll sit tight and wait for her to return so we can get a just to straight keep it official because she is still the chair. >> Can I ask a question? Yasmir, have you

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followed all of this? It's been a lot and I know that the connection hasn't been great. How are you doing? >> Uh, doing good. Um, so I because I'm part of other uh committees as well, I do know there's always um uh back and

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forth with a couple things, which is fine and it's totally understandable. Um, it's just looking for that happy medium of how can we find the result or how can we get to that result um where everybody is okay. Um right now yes I do

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feel there's a lot of push back and a lot of coming and going from everybody. Um but I think if we can like sit down and kind of like think about it kind of like with a little bit more patience I

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think we can all get to an agreement. >> I agree. >> I agree. Like I I totally understand. Um like it's a historic district. We are here to preserve and make sure the history does not disappear from the town. Like I am

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not in the district zone. Um but I do have an 1830 house and I actually got mad at the previous owners because they destroyed a lot of the details and the history of this house and I am actually

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putting them back. But um when it comes to the town, it really tears me apart that a lot of people try to like, oh yeah, we can do this modern, we can do this, but that's not preserving the history. So, I wanted to be part of the

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team to be able to like maybe put my opinion out there or maybe listen to see where can I help um or just to be part of the team and see what's going on um and how we are going to preserve all of this cuz I really think Townsen is a

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really nice town and it really does need to keep up with what we have right now. Um, so my goal is to make sure we don't lose the history of Talzin, which I really wanted to stay.

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>> Agreed. >> It's a fresh approach and I'm I'm with you. Yeah, it's me. >> And it's the younger, your age, her age mixed in with >> the old

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saying. [laughter] like a long reach >> generational I guess membership is healthy um I think >> it's necessary >> I think I have a lot to learn from people who've been in the committee for a long time so you know that's part of

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the process as long as people are open to new perspectives new energy >> I I just generally think there's a task at hand that everybody can focus on that

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>> hopefully. >> And it doesn't have to be any more than that. >> And you know, we have a job here and a commitment to the community. We know what we're trying to do. And you know,

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the best way to get it done is to have everybody on the same page and knowing what we're here for. And um you know I guess the young ladies >> Yasmir

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>> Yasmir's approach is exactly what I think >> we're here to do. Um and so I just you know don't want any hard feelings with anybody but >> we both speak task at hand when we've

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got a job to do >> is what the task of it is. >> Let's all collectively work together with as much time as you have in town is this person that person. Well, everybody's going to have a perspective

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or a viewpoint on it >> and everybody should have be able to comment on it. >> Um, and so collectively we come up with something that's good. Um, so

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um, so I I really have a hard time understanding why this is difficult right now. Um, and I really don't want anybody to be upset or offended.

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>> Um, I don't think it's necessary. >> And so that's I mean, whatever we end up with is going to be a working group of people. And >> you could talk to the rest of them, not just me.

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>> I guess maybe. [laughter] Anyway, I'm just trying to get things on track. Um, so I'm sorry. >> Mayor J, can you >> what? >> Close the meeting. Finish the meeting.

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Any >> You want to make a motion to adjourn? >> No. There's a motion on the floor to appoint. >> Oh, who made the motion? >> The two members sound like they're still interested. Yes, I'm hearing. So I'll

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make a motion to recommend Robert Theion and Yasm near Santiago as potential members of the board. Is that appropriate? >> We want to use the word potential. >> Potential. Sure. >> Well, to appoint them.

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>> Appoint them. Yeah. >> They're here. They've accepted. >> You you recommend them to the board selected for >> Do you want me to write this down? because the board of select the

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appointing body from what we >> select the board appointment. >> Yeah, members >> everybody get that. >> I'm sorry. I thought we were waiting for Mary Chain. We were to

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>> We are now that motion is made. >> I'll second. >> Okay. Now we have to go around, right? But isn't the chair supposed to do that? >> Any further discussion? Hearing none. >> Laura, yes.

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>> James, yes. >> Yes. >> Maria Milikin, yes. >> Susan Durkin, yes. >> Okay. So it's um you don't need a chairman vote because you're not

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only one two three four five you've got a majority vote. >> Yes. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So the motion's moved. >> Yes. It was moved, seconded, and we all

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said if it was 52 and I'll make a motion to adjourn the meeting at 3:58 p.m. >> 3:58. >> I second that. >> Question. Now that a motion's been made to the

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board of selectmen, >> do >> no >> we have to um appear before the selectman now >> for approval. >> The the appointments will go and they'll notify you. >> Yeah.

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>> When it goes to I don't know when it'll be because we're kind of in flux here at the town hall. So I I didn't know if it's still an interview or not. >> No, not >> Oh, >> no. >> No. It's basically as the board would

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bring you on, have a quick discussion, right? >> Maybe vetting or going to look at your history, etc., etc. >> Then from there, we did what we did as far as vote to put forward your position to the select rank because they are the

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nominating >> body. They are the ones made with appointing Mhm. >> Okay. That's the next step. But you could go, but they'll call you and then you know the routine of this, >> right? We're done.

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>> It was adjourned. Yeah. At 3:5. >> Laura Shepron, yes. James, yes. >> Cla, yes. Maria Milikin. Yes. >> Susan Gerkin. Yes. >> Mary Churchley. Yes. >> That was a abstain. >> I said yes. >> No. Are you abandoning to the

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>> No, no. I'm going for that. >> Adjournment was unanimous. >> Everyone's in favor of the J. >> Thank you. >> Nice to meet you. Yes.