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Okay, I'm going to call the meeting to order for June 25th at 6 what >> 60701 what I'm trying to say to you. You had the wrong hour. >> It's 4:00 here.

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>> Yeah, here. >> James Dorian here present available. Kathleen Spartford here. >> Maria Milikin present. >> Laura virtual.

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>> Thank you. And Mary Jane Churchill present. Very good. >> Okay. So we are going the meeting is being recorded by TAM. Is anybody else reporting? No. Hearing none.

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Move forward. Madam >> chair. >> Yes. I don't I don't see some quick names here that it's only clear. >> Don't be off with this. Not all I don't I don't put all the members on. >> Okay. >> Um so

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we're not I would like to have a motion to not accept these minutes because I don't have moved. >> Thank any discussion hearing none. Okay. Hi, >> James Dorian. Yes.

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>> Thank you, Mary. Thank you. And Mary Churchill. Yes. >> You're just moving them to the next meeting. >> Is that what he's saying? >> Okay. >> Yes. Worship. Yes. >> Okay. Great. Okay. Now, I would like to

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move to open the public hearing. for the application of appropriateness for Tiffany Inoa for 401 Main Street for the rebuilding of her home. >> Oh, [clears throat] it's beautiful. >> I know.

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>> So, I would like to have a motion to open the public hearing. >> Make a motion to open the public hearing. >> I'll second the motion. Thank you. Any discussion on this before we get started?

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And can I just say a little call to open? Yes. >> James D. Yes. >> Thank you. >> Maria. Yes. Yes. >> Laura Shiffren virtual. Yes.

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>> Okay. girls. As we all know, Tiffany has been waiting a long time at this moment. She's ready to start construction on a home that was destroyed by fire. >> Do you want to come up? Tiffany and grab a chair and come join us.

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>> You don't have to move. Just want to sit there. >> Okay. Hi. >> Hi. Surprised that no one's here. everybody was showing up for the other ones. But and also my builder um he had an emergency with his daughter. He's a

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big family man. So I unfortunately he's not here but he said if you have any questions we can give him a call. Okay. >> Um but it's pretty straightforward. You guys have a copy of your plan and I I brought some as well if you want to pass them around. It's just >> the one we're really the most concerned

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with is the front. >> Yeah. I have great >> I have just that's what we wanted to do. Um, and then this one is one of the sides. And this is the same thing. It shows existing and it shows the proposed. It's the same. I didn't change

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anything. The windows are the same. Everything is the same. The only thing that you will notice is there's an existing deck in the back that was already there. I'm just going to screen it in if that's okay. I just want to screen it in cuz before there was no access to it. You had to go around the

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house to get it. Can we Can we even see it? see it. It's in the back, but you can because my driveway is long. You'll be able to see it from >> Oh, we will be only not from the front here.

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>> Um, so you'll probably be able to see it on this one better. >> And this is the back part. >> So that you'll see existing existing and then the >> Yeah. >> Did you guys see that? That would be nice.

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>> These are good to the side view of it >> now. That was there existing in the fence. So the concrete pillars are there. >> Yeah. Everything was there. The deck is there. I'm just scraping it in. >> The rim bit. >> Yeah. >> The only only thing you put a little

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roof on it out of it. Nice. >> Yeah. >> Not threeseason. Just literally just the screen. >> Screen. Yeah. >> Oh, I have a question. >> So, on

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it looks like you just have straight pillars coming down with no um decoration. And I just want to This was the original with a little bit of Victorian with the squigglies.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. >> I don't think they're called squiggly. [laughter] I have to I have to add them. >> Uh this is not going to go into depth like that but I am prepared on >> Okay. So you are going to put >> when can you copy?

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>> I don't know. I haven't sourced the material. I mean >> you're going to do nice posting. In other words, it'll have a degree of 180. >> Yes. Something something to what it was before. We'll see what I can do. Um, you know, obviously we're we're just

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starting now to source material, like get everything like seeing what I can even afford at this point. So, we are I'm going to see what I can do, but I do I do want to make it nice and pretty, but the drawing's not going to show that. >> Oh, okay. >> Like the the software is not going to deplet.

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>> Oh, okay. So we can put it in our condition >> when we when we um assume the >> So I just wanted to >> So would that be would that be contingent of us to get a a brief preview of what they look like or is it

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>> easy enough for her to know? >> We decide now so we don't have to push it again. Well, yeah. I I for not, please. How many times will I see you? >> I know. >> It would be very hard for her to ever find anything in that will reinterpret unless you can go to some of the old

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salvage yards which Yes. Um most likely in my head what it is going to be is like obviously a beautiful pillar, but I'm going to have to find attachments to like put in the corner. You know what I mean? >> Okay. >> Yeah. Like something that goes in the corner and is my smoothies. All right.

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[laughter] Clear? >> Yes. Did you have a hand up? >> No. >> Oh, okay. >> Just being labeling. >> Okay. Does anyone else have any room? Now, at the last meeting when we talked to Jake and you were taking notes

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intelligently. Um, [clears throat] we gave him a pass on the wooden labs. We originally told you we wanted it in kind. I think that Oh, hi. So, nice. Okay.

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Oh, she's gone. >> Oh, she Okay. Um, you have to excuse yourself, don't you? >> I know about that because >> you can listen.

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[laughter] >> Okay. Um, >> didn't she just didn't she just do a disclosure? She isn't about our state. >> No, no, that's it doesn't work that way. This is the state runs us, right? The town. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> So, um our we had that discussion we gave Jake

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tart. >> So, I how do you how are you feeling about that? Cuz originally said you were going to do wood and then the notes. I just like to know where you're sitting now in terms of that. So, I had I forgot. I don't think she's Yeah, maybe she's on Zoom. I was talking to somebody

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about um you guys said no vinyl obviously. We were going back and forth between wood and Hardy board and I went home and did some more research on both of them because it's really a price for me right now of course. >> Um and also wood is going to weather and

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look the same as it did before. So we're leaning towards the Hardy board even though it's more expensive but in the long run it'll be just better and you guys had already said that you were approved on >> the maintenance aspect of it. >> Yeah. Okay, >> Madam Chair, that that was that wased at

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the last meeting. >> Good decision, >> correct? Yes. >> Um, that was any Does anybody else have any answer? So, so it's the hardy board versus the wooden. You're going to you're leaning towards a hiding board at this time? >> Yes. >> I actually even had samples for you

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guys, but I forgot my garage key and I couldn't get in. [clears throat] >> Oh, yeah. Thanks. I think we're all pretty familiar with >> Yeah. Yeah. We sort of got it already. So, >> and you're going to do some ornate um pillow work on the porch, correct? >> Yeah. >> I know that's not technical language,

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but >> yeah, I'll figure it out later on. That's not That's down the line for me. >> Sure. When you're ready at the end, just send us a photo. We won't make it come just so I can put it into uh the file just so we have it. >> In my head, it's the same as it was

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before, like in the corner. Nice. my little squiggly like I said, but we'll see what I can source, but >> so um any other discussion on Tiffany Kathy, do you want to weigh in? [clears throat] I mean, even though you're affiliate tonight, but >> Yeah. No, I think it sounds good.

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>> We're excited for you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Do you have anything [clears throat] better? You're going to have to look at this. >> That's okay. I'll be glad to look at the house. Lights on. I [laughter] miss it. I do. Okay. Is anybody ready to make a motion that we accept?

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>> I just have one quick question. Did the building inspector reach out to you that you have the ability to do any moving with if you wanted a setback or anything that since it was a complete rebuild? >> Yes, >> you did have that option. >> I did. I did. Contacted you. Good.

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>> You done that last trip around the last >> It's not necessary. >> It's not. >> I did hear that. >> It's not necessary that the building inspector give her that information from us. >> No. No, I I >> You understand that, right? >> Yeah. Wait, what?

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>> That we can't >> extend a courtesy of knowledge. >> That's not good idea. >> Okay, >> that's not >> Well, I reached out and asked [clears throat] before doing everything. >> So, you took care of to make to see what could happen, but I can't do it. It's

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staying where it is. I can't move it to the left cuz obviously >> and we have no qualms about that. I don't even know why that comes up. And I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, but >> No, it's okay. >> Good. Okay. Because it's not our jurisdiction to do that. >> Okay. I can't I can't do it. I just don't

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>> We're not even going to suggest it. I mean, it's just a move point. It shouldn't even be brought up. >> I wish I could. I wish I could move it just a little bit more back in the street, but it's just it would be too much. Since the house is on a hill, I would have to esavate and fill in the hill. I would have to move the septic. I just don't have the money to do that.

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I'm struggling with the house already. >> Leave it where it is. >> We're not even >> We're good thinking about that. >> Okay. >> All right. So, can I have a motion to allow a [clears throat] certificate? Um, do I get Do we have to give a certificate of hardship on the Hardy board

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>> or can we just approve the >> approve it? Yes. >> Okay. Yeah, >> we can. >> Okay. All right. Can I have a motion? >> Can I make >> Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Darion. Does everybody know about Darian? He's an architect from town. This is Tiffany and

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she has um the burnt house at 401 Main Street. >> Is that this one? >> Yes. Yes. And where it is at at the railroad track? >> Yes. >> For House. Oh, hi. How are you? Sorry we're late. We thought it was 7:30.

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>> Oh, that's okay. But who are you? >> Oh, we're interested parties. We're like nextdoor neighbors >> 407. >> We're just interested. We saw the the the house burn down. >> Oh, I'm so glad that you're here. >> We're not here to cause any disruption. >> Well, that's good cuz I would have to

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have you leave. >> And I'm very happy. I'm very happy that you're interested. What's going on? >> Anybody who showed up before now. >> We're with Mo. >> You were with him. >> We live there. >> Oh, okay. Do you know Tiffany the um

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>> Nope. I just read her name on on the notice. >> So she's sort of your neighbor. >> Yes. >> In your neighborhood. >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> I've been joking about it that I'm just going to put a sign up front like come and come say hi.

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>> So Mr. Tarian has some questions or comments or >> I um I just uh what uh architectural style is this? >> Um it would be considered what?

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>> No farmhouse. >> No, it's given to farther back 1700. So far house >> Yeah. This is what she's replacing, >> right? Um, I just have some comments. I I don't

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want to dictate what happens here at all, but when we talk about historic buildings and um they're all a product of the culture of the time [clears throat]

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and so just casually looking at the elevations, um there are a couple of things that I want to share with this committee um

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so that they know in the future >> okay >> what to look for >> okay >> I'm not really going to comment on this but this is an example we use >> that makes sense >> right so um I use the chalk for

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>> there any Um, >> you want to use You want to sit here? >> Let me have a seat where I can something out. >> Yellow tan. >> I have a pen for you. >> Thank you. interpreting.

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[clears throat] >> No, it literally hasn't. >> It literally is literally um continue, please. >> I'm asking the man a question. Would you >> Wait a minute. >> I'm asking a question so I can understand better what he's bringing.

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>> Be recognized by the chair. There's a point of order here. >> Madame chair, can I briefly ask Mr. >> Right now we settled you Katherine? >> I'm just here to help. Okay. >> Um, so when we talk about historic

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buildings, we can talk about different periods of time and periods we thought that the culture or the technology and the community at the time. So, um, if you look at the house that

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was being replaced here, there are some things. This was a originally a colonial house that was updated. >> Yes.

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>> In the Victorian era. Yes. >> Conditions on the house. So that that means the African can sort of decide whether they want to do Ptorian or or traditional colonial home. So just for general conversation in the

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future whenever we have a window, windows usually had casings and One of the things that I see happening frequently is owners and contractors

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put a shutter at the edge of the casing when it really should be abudding the interior edge of the casing >> and the width of the shutter is half the

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distance the width of the window. So if you're trying to keep a traditional classic look, those would be things that you would look for. So I don't see that in this design.

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Um, also depending on the period and the prominence or the wealth of the owner, the original owner. Um, these buildings often had

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window caps on them. So I would assume in this design if if this is a double hung window which it

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[clears throat] appears to be the shutter matches half the window width. They often had um tied downs and the

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casing that was hidden behind this would still be revealed at the top. So then the period of time these windows had divided lights

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and the size of the divided lights were a product of the time it was built. [clears throat] Pre1850 glass was not manufactured in the United States. It was manufactured in Great

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Britain and consequently only wealthy people could afford large panes of glass. The poor people had smaller panes of glass.

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So the number of lights would be a product of the wealth of a person. >> Oh, interesting. >> That is very nice. Mhm. 1860s America

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entered into the industrial revolution and it was a period that introduced a Victorian era. And the Victorian era was a time when America was trying to prove to Europe

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that they could do better than Europe. And we had better paints, more colors, and every craftsman was trying to show off their handiwork. [clears throat]

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That's what generated all the different Victorian periods, the Queen Anne style, the Empire style. They were all American exhibits to the world of what we could do. So keeping those things in mind about

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the industrial revolution, the products that were available and how they were made. So after the industrial revolution, America actually started making even curved glass and perfect

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glass. In other words, no bubbles in it and things like that. So it wasn't deformed. So that's a discussion on windows. Um then the drawings

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or the other thing is roof pictures. [clears throat] Um it wasn't until midcentury America that we started having low pitch roofs for homes. Those are four and 12 ines.

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Generally, um the older homes had six even up to 12 in pitch roofs. So, the pitch of the roof can be significant. And when we view a property, we try to

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view it from the street level. Um, so if a house was on a hill, the imper, you know, the the visibility of the roof wouldn't be as dominant if you were looking at it straight on or lower down.

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>> Um, the other thing that I think >> I have a question, Robert. So, what's the relevance to I mean, looks very similar. Why are why do you bring up the roof pitch? Um because this seems to be a six and 12 pitch which matches what was there. >> Oh, good.

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>> Yeah. >> Oh, so she's good. >> It's poor thing. She's sweating. I'm not again I This is I don't have any vote on this. I'm just here is >> she's had a hard time. So, let's encourage that she's done a good job

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matching the product, right? >> I think you've done a great job. >> You're welcome. >> Been [clears throat] trying. And in the beginning she presented that this is a complete reproduction of the existing building is what we required. >> Right.

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>> Well the only other comment I would say is do you want to talk to her architect to review some of what you're saying? [clears throat] >> This is a learning minute. So what's the other point? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Let's let's let him finish before we start.

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>> One more point. >> Yeah. should be polite and thank you very much. I find this very helpful to the board. >> Me too. I just wanted to be clear that you haven't done anything. >> Right. I'm not trying to >> I don't think we have to make apologies

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right now. I think what Mr. >> I don't think it has to affect this applicant as great that wasn't clear in the beginning to me. So >> So it's an example to use. >> Great. Um the the post on these [clears throat]

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um they don't have enough massing. They're they're structurally appropriate for holding up the roof and everything. Um but typically they would have been bigger. In those times we

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didn't have building codes. So when they built buildings they did what was called the empirical way. Make it bigger than you need. And that's why our posts were bulky and they usually had caps on them

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and they had bases on them and then there'd be some kind of a freeze. >> F R I E Z E. >> F R I E Z E. Um, and

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the this is was unusual because when I looked at where they have the uh where the picture where the uh

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the roof comes and meets the building >> right here. It looks like the original typically they had a sophetic. This one doesn't seem to have had one.

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>> Oh, okay. And typically at the end they had two trombs. And um again, these could have been more ornate depending on the wealth of the of

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the owner. Um, but you'll see when you looked at the edge of the roof, it would have this kind of a profile. And so

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with the colonial period, there was also what was called the federal period [clears throat] and the Greek revival. >> Those two periods had even more

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ornamentation on them, but a simple colonial uh probably would not. The other thing that these buildings had is at the bottom here

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there was a wide board. It was called a mud board. And so at the base of the building there'd be a board like this and the cover board

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would be like that. So it would look like this and then the shingles would be placed on it and that was to protect the edge of the building from mud. >> Um anyway,

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>> well no money [laughter] >> that's what I was going to ask you. you uh you're talking about the shutters, right? Um do you know where to like source that or how expensive that is? >> Um well, it's not so much whether

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they're wooden shutters or vinyl shutters. I mean, >> if it was a real historic building that somebody lived in, then you could get into that. >> It's more the size, >> right? It's the size being appropriate so it doesn't look like

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um a [clears throat] house jack of all trades stuff. You know what I mean? So to be harmonic so the width of the >> cover and more important the placement of it. >> Mhm. >> All right. Not at the outside of the casing but right at the inside because

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they used to be used >> Yeah. to keep the Indians out and everything. So, um, >> the plant the builder. >> Yeah. To see if that's functional or not, cuz I I just copied what was there. So, in this, it's just the shutters did not move at all. They were just placed

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on they look small. >> It didn't even occur to me that I can do that, >> right? >> So, I mean, just some subtle things like that. Doesn't have to be throughout the building, I would think, but primarily on the front side. >> Um,

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>> I would look into it and see what possible I I don't think it's that much. Instead of a 4x4 post, you use a 4x6 post. And [clears throat] >> everybody's using the the maintenance-free coverboards now. So, if

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you took a 4x4 and put the, you know, the plastic coverboards they have now on them, they'll make it >> the wrong one. I'm talking to the wrong half of me. The other half of me would know what you're talking about. >> I don't know. >> What is it called? uh as like the as A

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as boards that they have. >> Oh, >> it's a PL plastic >> like hardy board. >> Trim boards. >> No, it's not even it's like the decking that they >> like. >> Yeah. On that, >> not TX. Trex is a decking material, but

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a regular 4x4 post is what's holding everything up, >> right? And so if you look down on that post, there's a 3/4 in trim board. >> Oh, >> that goes around it. >> Okay.

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>> And that would be the post right in the center along the long length. And then at the bottom there' be another 3/4 inch material, which would be the foot, >> the foot down here. And that would make it look a lot

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heavier and bulky. >> Oh, a little mess. Yeah, those are very good tips, >> you know. >> Can I give your drawings? >> Absolutely. >> Thank you very much. Very informative. >> No, it's just me.

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>> Anyone else have any questions >> for this? That was very helpful. Helpful for the board, I think, for education. >> I think it was great. It was great, wasn't it? >> Great. >> Um, what about the screen for

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>> just screening in? >> So, that's okay. >> Yeah, the scorch is already there, right? You're just screening it in. >> Okay. >> I I don't think there's any issue on screening. >> You're not going to close it with you're going to put >> No. Yeah. I mean, it has to be held up,

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but obviously. Yeah. But yeah, no, it's not three season just I'm just enclosing in screens. It will have a roof on it, but same thing as everything else. It's just screening it. Before there was no access to it, but now I'm putting a door in the kitchen to actually go straight out to it.

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>> That doesn't have >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But you're right. This house was built in three pieces. So there was the original main house and then there was two additions. So in not that you know there's any jurisdiction on it but in

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designing the house it took months to try to make it functional because it didn't flow before there was ups and down. There was three different staircases and this way this way and I loved it but to make it functional now it was really hard to keep every window the same every door the same you know

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the heights the same and still make it a functional space. So, I did what I could, but >> I think the form is great. >> It's great. Yeah, we really appreciate the whole working with you the whole way. So helpful.

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>> So, do we want to make motion and >> I will make a motion that we accept Liz. >> Yay. Do you want me to take a picture? [laughter] reason. [laughter] >> So, we're going to issue a certificate of appropriateness.

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>> Yeah. >> But we're going to add the Hardy board as a >> exception. Not a hardship exception, but just as an add-on and the post with some mass on the freeze. I'm

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>> just going to do an overall blanket. >> Go ahead. without going into the each particular >> Okay, go ahead. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Sorry. >> I got to settle. >> I make a motion that we accept

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the application for certific certificate of appropriateness for what is it? 401 Main Street as stated by the applicant

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through her and her architect. >> Okay. Can I have a second? Second. >> Anyone discussion? Roll call vote. >> Call be. Yes. James B. Yes.

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>> Susan Gerin. Yes. >> Maria Milikin. Yes. Mary Jan Churchill. Yes. Unanimous. Great. Thank you. >> I am here virtually. Laura Shiffron. Yes. >> Great. All right. Thank you everybody. This is

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>> Sorry, but Mrs. Gargan is the >> I can't vote. [clears throat] No. >> Well, >> as an opinion, >> we'll take you. >> Yeah. Yeah. I won't have you sign I won't I won't have you significant.

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Okay. Just to keep it all. >> All right, Tiffany. Very cool. We're going to sign this. I'll give you a coffee, but if you want to start signing and then um I'll give it to the um attorney. What is that?

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>> Building. Yeah. the building inspector and I don't know he'll issue the certificate I guess whenever you're ready. >> Yeah, there's some once you guys have the approval and I have it on hand um I'll send it over to that department and then um he has a few things to do and

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then hopefully within the next few weeks we have it fully approved and then we can start. >> So you're going to start in July sometime >> probably. Yeah. >> Great. Did he give you like a ballpark finish date if he starts in July? Um if I just got word 2 days ago that if we

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start in 3 weeks starting to cuz the f the um foundation's still there um because we didn't want the land to cave in. So they still have to escape that. Um if we can start the process in 3 weeks and start pouring the concrete in 3 weeks. We might be in by January. >> Oh.

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>> But that is very that is like >> if everything goes on time and >> Yeah. It's already been a year. Wow. >> Question. Upon the ruling, it's standard 21 days after.

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>> Is it a 21-day period after we've made and approved these plans? >> No, it's immediate. >> It's immediate. So, Bob can move right on. I just wanted sometimes we have a 21-day period on >> Yeah. No, we don't. Sir, I didn't know if it is. >> So, I'll put it actually when we sign

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this before I leave. I'll put it in the builder's box. >> So, he'll be done. He'll get it. >> Just wait for me for >> And there should be nothing else, right? >> Excuse me. >> There should be nothing else, right? This is it for us. For us. Okay.

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>> I mean, yeah, you got a lot more. >> Um, for you don't have to come back after it's done. Now, I will tell you to be upfront about it. We will drive by every now and then just to >> I'm going to have a party for you guys all the time.

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>> We'll be there. Um yeah, we'll just every now and then somebody will drive by and if anything looks weird they'll bring it up. Yeah. >> But I mean from the getgo we've known what you were going to do. Like there's a secret going on here. I mean the only

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thing you sprung on us was the stone wall. >> I know. But I like the idea. >> I know. I know. [clears throat] It's really great. >> So, do you have any questions about the vlog? >> Did you learn something tonight? >> I'm just happy that the she got the

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house, too. >> Was a host and we were there. We watched the buyer and heartbroken. >> Oh, yeah. >> Heartbroken. But we were looking forward to >> seeing what goes up. >> Yeah. >> No skin in the game. So, I'm going to be interested in that.

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>> Well, you'll see. Hopefully we'll be able to start soon and everything will move from here on out. Situation has been kind of hectic. Past year has been >> very hard >> and we're just hoping that moving on >> and get it going.

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>> She signed later for >> Laura. >> Laura, when are you coming back for your signature? I'm going to leave this in the clerk's office for you to sign. Is that okay? >> Yeah, I'll be there Monday. Oh, okay. Fine. I'll follow up on with you on

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Monday. >> Okay, no problem. >> Okay. So, um, thank you very much, Mr. Darren. Tiffany, thank you. I'm so happy. >> I'll make a coffee.

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>> Yeah, this one just so she has something about that. [laughter] >> That's wrong. She stick it under her pillow. >> For the rock wall, too. I don't have any documentation for that either.

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>> That was so last um >> I know you were in here on that one. It it was simple. I So I had this idea. The foundation is made of field stone. Um and obviously the property doesn't have

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that. So I I um I didn't need a permit to do a um property line how they wall that I'm taking a field stone and making a wall out of it. So like I have kind of like

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the old house on the property still and like just repurposing it. >> So >> and it did get it did. Yeah. Less than four feet. I give away lay on the sidewalk and I'll just do I don't have

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much but as much as I can >> fiber granite and materials or dehydration great way you can reuse it >> you can always add to it later exactly and it'll be cuz it I I have a toddler I have three-year-old so um the house is very close to the street when he was

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younger I would like I was very nervous about it so it'll be a good barrier especially right in front of the house instead of like spending money on a fence and just repurp Yeah. Yeah. And I >> How long did you call back for? Did Did you >> been four months? >> Whoa.

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>> Was trying to film and everything. I said I remember and I was doing the remodeling and was staying there, but it was four months. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We just purchased >> just

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>> Yeah. >> You telling me? >> Yeah. No silent >> silent without after the fire. You didn't even have any damage on your house. No >> fallen in the back. My garage is like this far

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away from the that on the back. >> It is that close. >> Yeah, we're close. [laughter] >> That's close. Okay. where he was here. I think because of having seen that and

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know and I know it >> because I knew the patents and [clears throat] you know I did remember even that you know that >> that's why I said that

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any ability to >> maybe this >> would be good at least I haven't mentioned it to you do it >> literally with Yeah, >> move about 5t from where the house is to the line.

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>> But yeah, I wish I could move it. If I if I had tons of money, I would move it back. But with the septic being right there, I just don't have the money to that and move it. And it's on the hill. So fill that in. >> Ask what's the septic system when you bought the house. So that's why you not

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even do the except >> any septic right now 2026. it all. >> McDonald's and such. >> It's killing a lot of the guys.

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[laughter] >> Yeah. >> So, I think we can move on to close this public out. Can I have a motion to close the public hearing? >> So, move. >> Thank you, Claire. Second. Any discussion on closing the public hearing?

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>> Roll call vote. >> Laura, yes. Jerome Ziggs, yes. >> Lori, we're voting on closing the public meeting. >> Laura Shiffren, yes. >> Thank you. And >> virtually. >> Okay. James,

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>> yes. James Doryan, yes. >> Mary, and Mary Jane Churchley. Yes. Unanimous. So, the meeting is officially close at 7:43 7:43 743. >> Okay, we just have one more item. Thank

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you very much. Actually, I will actually [laughter] >> we have >> Oh, yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. So, I have applications for three different people that are interested in becoming part of the board.

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They are reappointments for Claire Albert, reappoints for Geraldine Bazikas, and a new application from Mr. Ian Robert theion to fill our spot needed for an architect

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>> cuz we don't have one. >> So there's a little bit um I might need I might need another spot because Kathy and um unless you want to be an

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affiliate not an affiliate of A um yeah graduate I just offered to be a consultant. So >> well we wanted to keep we wanted your services for sure. >> I mean do do you want do you want to be appointed by the board of selectmen or do you want to just be available when

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>> alternate is the word >> I just wanted to >> alternate. Would you like to be an alternate? >> I it doesn't matter to me. Okay. Okay. >> It does not. It's not anything. I'm just

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trying to help out. >> Yeah. And we And we need the architectural help. And you know why? We have a couple of buildings in town that are ready for serious work and we're just not equipped to We don't have that history.

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>> Okay. Well, I'm I'm here. >> So, can we call on you? like letting you know when we're going to have the meetings and give you what the agenda is and then you can make a decision if you want to come with your service. >> Madam Chair, >> yes.

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>> Mary Jane, you said almost every meeting since I first came on, which was right after you, that we need an architect >> and you have an architect that has your position. [clears throat] >> Well, all right. I was letting him make

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a decision on what position he wanted to take. You want to be on board on board? Yeah. All right. Want to be on board? >> I'm willing to be on board, but one caveat. >> I'm on several several boards.

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>> So, you need to be patient with me. >> Maybe. >> So, um that's fine with me. >> I think the original You were You were one of the original members. >> My mother was. >> Yeah. Your mother. Yeah. And then you then you were next. >> Well, anyway, we're going to All right.

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Well, we recommend that you be at home. >> Okay. I I understand that you would I get what you're saying. >> So, um >> what other positions are open? >> There's no >> I thought there were two.

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>> Well, they're for reappoints. They're reappointments. There's no open positions. We just have reappointments. Unless you consider a reappoint an open position. >> Well, it is really if you if you get more people that want to be on

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and especially detect. What about um I thought >> hopefully Jen was going to resign and so that would be an alternate position, but um that would be a spot for anybody else

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that still wanted to stay on and participate. Because alternates can come like Kathy's been to every meeting. >> That's why I asked in the beginning of the meeting. Usually your title on the paperwork will say Jim Deoyan

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member expires 28 2028 or >> and that way we know who is current >> and when their ending dates are as a part of regular fluid posting on >> it's on the website.

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It is on the website all of that as well as the two alternates and their dates are 28 but I'm thinking where and I'm thinking out loud and I apologize but where Jen has not been to one meeting yet maybe it's it might be in order to

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ask her to resign cuz I'm assuming that she got sworn in if her name is on the website. You might ask Jack Corey. >> She definitely sworn in. She was definitely sworn in. I know that. >> But then you'd have to ask her to

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resign. She hasn't come and it would behoove the board to have that vacant so that those who are interested in coming to the meetings could come. >> Okay. Then can I have a motion to ask Jen Melet to resign as the alternative

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based on >> just before you didn't ask if there was any comments. I think the reason why we were never able to get Mrs. Robette because it's a 3:00 meeting. >> It's mostly >> We're not going to go back. We're not >> can't do Thursdays.

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>> We're We're not visiting that. No, we're going to I I want a motion right now. Please take send a letter to Jen to ask her to resign. Ask for her resignation. However, that wording should be based on the fact that she cannot make

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the meetings as they are scheduled. >> I'll make that motion. I have no problem even making the ask. Are you going to ask her? Are you going to write >> a letter? I think the letter >> I'll make the motion. I've already kind of talked to her off board and if the meetings are going to remain Thursday,

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she can't do it. So, she'll be trying. Okay. >> So, um, that's the way it is. >> Maria makes a motion for us. Can I have a second? >> I second that. >> All right. So, whoever you like. Um, and um, any discussion [clears throat] on

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that for Jen Revellet? Okay. Can I have a roll call, please? Call. Yes. >> James D abstain. >> Sum. Yes. Maria, your >> uh Maria Milikin. Yes.

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>> Mary Jane virtually. Yes. >> Yes. Virtually. I think it would benefit the board at this point. >> Yes. Um I I also do I agree 100%. Um, one of my one [clears throat] of my concerns about filling new positions is

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I would really really like to have the new people in the future be vetted by our board and then go to the select. >> Yes, absolutely. >> Because I think that without our input to the new people, they don't know what

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they're getting into. you should have within 30 days of the like be you should be doing that in July because the terms end January 30th. So hopefully if we can get an answer from Jennifer, you can present all three

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applications to the board of selectman. If you go past 30 or 60 days, I forget which it is now. The board of selectment can make the decision for you. But board of select was made the decision before then. I thought it was

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the opposite. I thought if the board didn't make the decision, we were >> Yes, that's it. >> Yeah, I think it's a little bit opposite. I think if the board if the board of selectment doesn't make the decision to appoint within 60 days, I'm sorry, 30 days, then the commission can

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appoint. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And I had it backwards, but that's what how it was done last year. >> That is You are correct on that. >> Yeah. >> In excession of the 30 would go

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>> to the HDC. >> It would need to be posted also. >> Procedure position, right? >> Yes. >> But but does a reappoint have to be posted? >> I don't believe so.

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>> I don't know. I mentioned it at the last meeting that they were up on the 30th and the posting should go up. >> But why would it have to be posted if it's reappoint? >> We need some >> It's an opening. It's an opening and you are lacking an architect.

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You've been saying this all along. It is this every appointment is an opening. It's a seat. >> I don't get your point, but that's all right. So, um is it posted? So, it should be posted. I don't believe. Has it been posted? Lori, do you know?

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>> I don't know. But I thought it's the chair that does the posting. I mentioned it at the at last the meeting. I' I've mentioned it before. >> It's the first expiring on June 30th. >> The appointing authority that posts >> meaning

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it >> or Sabrina will do it. >> Unless it was with the difference. >> You know what? I I'm going to get a legal opinion on this. I I need a legal opinion because I >> you just heard the pro the it goes to

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the appointing authority which would be the select man but with planning board it's an as you know it's a voted you have to elected position >> an elected position >> these aren't elected positions these are appointments

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>> I want to find out >> and I want to find out what reappoints are >> after the HD DC decides on the new person. So will you approve Robert tonight? >> No, we

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>> we don't >> we don't approve. We well we we make recommendations. We don't approve >> which go to the selecting for the final deciding factor, >> right? >> But we do have the ability to say we would like to have Robert upon the

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board. All of us make that decision, right? In that way, we're at peace and and then as far as you know what group was in favor appropriate >> for the board to interview any

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candidates >> and then make a recommendation to select him, >> you know, >> we're comfortable with him. He's an architect. That's >> how we always did it. We always did it until this last time. >> That's right. >> We always did it that way 100%. It was

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not done the last time and that's the pickle we're in right now. >> The was the last time. What happened the last time >> when you and Maria were appointed without coming >> because we didn't get to interview. >> We didn't get to interview and you had all these issues about the change and

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I'm concerned about the knowledge. >> This is a very important very important board and >> our individual >> knowledge about historic architect and and the integrity district. framing B and the spoke of in

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construction. I've done it all my life. >> I've done masonary but I'm sorry if I did but what the >> All right. I think we've had this I think we do this a lot of times. Can I have a motion to motion? >> I'll second it.

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>> Okay. Any discussion? >> Hearing none. Uh roll call vote. Yes. >> Maria Milikin. Yes. Laura. >> Yes. Virtually. >> Yes. Delivery. Yes. >> Okay.

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>> Nice to see you, sir. >> Hello. How are you? >> I'm good. >> Yeah. Got it. Thank you very much. have those run track.

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>> Excuse me. Has the meeting been adjourned? >> I'll call you. I get to go home and cook dinner. >> Okay. Uh, has the meeting been adjourned?