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I would like to call the meeting to order at 3:00 on July 23rd, Thursday. Um, may I please have a roll call? >> Is here coffee here. >> Kathleen here. >> Mayor Jane Churchville here. >> I'm going to elevate Kathleen Barford to

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a full membership for the purposes of this meeting so that we have a quorum. I please have a motion to elevate Kathleen's move. Second. >> Any discussion? Hearing

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none. Uh, can I just have a roll call? Yes. Anony's the guy mailman. >> Oh, he's didn't go to her. >> Okay. Kathy. Okay.

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>> I don't know what's going on. >> Yes. Captain Sparkman. Yes. Do I vote? Yes. >> Yes. Mayor J. Okay. Kathleen unanimous vote to elevate Kathleen's offer to a full voting member for the purposes of

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this meeting. Thank you. So, we're going to take the agenda. You have the agenda for 20 third in front of you and the agenda for the 16th. The reason I gave you both

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agendas is because I have to make a statement regarding the July 16th meeting for information I received from open government. The vote that was taken at the July 16th meeting was not properly noticed.

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I did not have the names of the people and I did not have the um terms on it. So it did not give the public enough information to contribute any kind of questioning discussion.

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So it's invalid and unfortunately it violates the open meeting law. So I am responsible for that. So my corrective action is going to be to revisit that vote, resend that vote, and

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vote correctly. So that's my statement. Does anyone have any questions? >> Yes. >> What is open government? >> Attorney General's office. >> Oh, okay. >> Now, how did they uh they have come to

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this conclusion so quickly? >> Well, because I I talked to them. >> Yes, there's two people. >> Yes. Wait a minute. >> Cuz I had the question someoneated. I initiate because someone brought it to

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my attention. I did not have the names of the applicant on the agenda. >> I didn't know for sure. So I >> decided I seek help. >> That's all I know. >> Thank you. You're welcome.

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So, I need to have >> I'd like to review it. >> Okay. Sure. Take your time. Thank you. >> Did somebody make a motion or >> Yeah. No. Okay. So, um, what I'd like is I'd like a motion to resend the motion

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made by Maria Milikin and seconded by James Dooran on July 16th to recommend the board of selectman appointion and Yasmic Santiago to the historic district commission.

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>> I'll make that motion. >> And I have second it. >> Thank you. Now, can we have discussion on this? Yeah. Okay. Um I think I would prefer that these appointments or

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recommendations for appointment be made. No, wait. No, the first we have to do the decision, right? Have to vote on the recision. >> Yes. On the motion. Okay. So, can I please have a Well, do we want to discuss the recision? >> Yeah. Okay.

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Um, how were you made aware that it was improper? Oh, at a coffer. >> By whom? >> I can't say. Somebody in the public.

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>> Okay. Not somebody from within. >> No. Okay. >> No. >> All right. Not No. >> Some some outside person. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yes. An outside person. Correct. >> Now, my understanding of this

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looking at this agenda is that uh it doesn't say whether we were going to vote it or not, but it really wasn't on the agenda. >> What for the July 16th? >> Yeah, that that was the that that was the whole thing is that I made a mistake

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and and I and I understand I'm not making excuses, but the way this happened was that I had put out an original agenda. >> Okay? I had sent it to everyone except Claire because I don't have I didn't put her real address on. One of the members of this board contacted me and asked me

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if I was going to put that on. So I put it on as a what do you call it? As an amended this is an amended agenda. >> Yeah. >> So I amended it and in my haste I

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did not do it right. which I did not realize when I was doing it because I wanted to get the agenda posted, >> right? But >> and I didn't want to hear it from the member that I didn't put it on, >> right? >> Well, rule the rules. Well, that's that's how

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I feel. I think we should have the vote be done correctly and that way it'll stand. Can I have a roll call vote 27 is yes I'll be yes

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>> okay now that the decision is proceed now it's resended I would like to have votes taken number one which is item four on I'm sorry on the July 23rd. It's

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item six to discuss discussion on volunteers for appointment. No, no, no. First, for reappoint. >> Number five. >> Number five, I'm sorry. So, for reappoint. So, we have two members that are up for reappoint. Claire Calby and

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Jeremas. They both put in applications for reappoint. I think we should take these applications and open them as we're supposed to separate from appointments. Is that

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right, Claire? >> That would be right. Applications. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, first I would like an amendment, second amendment. A motion to accept the application for CL KPY for reappoint.

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>> I'll make a motion to reappoint Claire Kby. And I have a second. >> I second. >> Okay. I have a motion to accept the reappoint of Claire Kelby. Seconded. Any

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discussion on Claire being reappointed? Recommended for reappoint. >> Well, I just would like to say that I think it was good to have Claire on the board because she's been on the board for so long and she has the number one the history of the board. She knows the

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ins and outs of it, but she also has all that knowledge >> of what it can be approved and what just the whole knowledge. >> Exactly. The body of knowledge, the whole scope of the body of knowledge, which I think is critical given the rest

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of the board has not. >> Right. >> So, we have no voice with any kind of >> right. We're we're still learning, >> right? So, and anyone else want to make this? How do you feel about it if I

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agree? You know, if I'm not here, then it becomes a flooding forward. >> Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. >> Right. >> I think it's important to clear us on because Jesus has more experience of that.

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>> Exactly. And I think that it's to be fair. It is good to have a mixed board of young of inexperienced people and experienced people >> and we don't have that. >> No, >> it's not looking that direction at all, which which is going to lose the town's

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historic character. And I I understand Laura's point about having new people being appointed to boards and everything, but it's not like it's an open seat with with no reappoint. If CLA was stepping

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down totally, >> that'd be a different story. >> It would be a whole different story. But CLA has put in her application. >> Correct. >> So where she still wants to continue on the board, I think that's important. Nothing against um the other applicants or anything,

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>> right? It has nothing to do with the other applicants at all. >> And you know, I understand trying to get new people, you know, involved in everything, but you lose all that history and knowledge. >> It's invaluable, >> right? >> Especially with this kind of a board,

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which is not which is very different than the others, >> right? >> Because it's the Carl Master, >> right? And the other issue was that James Dorian had brought up at the July 16th meeting when he asked you as the affiliate or alternate. He said, "Aren't

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the alternates put on so they can learn and then move into a space?" That's not happen. That didn't happen. >> That's how it should. Absolutely. >> I mean, that's not how this board has ever functioned, though.

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>> An alternate is someone that you call up and say, "Hey, wait a minute. We don't have a quorum. >> Well, we've been asking the alternate to come, >> right? >> And I think that's important because if you you're discussing a project that's

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coming that's happening at one Main Street or whatever, >> um, and it's on the third meeting on that project. If I don't have the history of what happened at the other two meetings, how do you vote on the third meeting? >> Yeah, that's really important. and and

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and and it's not like we have we're time sensitive >> in terms of getting these applications out. So, it's not like we can bring you up to speed all the time, >> right? >> Depending on the meeting. >> It's important that the alternate >> does come to every meeting. And I'll tell you why. When I was on planning board, I was the alternate. I never

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missed a meeting. So, when somebody was out, I was able to go right in and know what was happening. >> Right. That's correct. >> So, the alternate position is is as important. >> Yes, it is. I believe it is. >> Plus, learning. I mean to learn when uh Mission gave that presentation about the

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different styles and everything. If I wasn't here, I wouldn't have learned anything. >> That's right. >> And even if I watch the meeting later, it's not going to be the same as being here. >> No, because you're watching the meeting looking for specific things. That wouldn't have been one of them. >> That's right. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. That was an after an afterthought thing that we brought in. >> All right. So, um can I have a motion? Did I Did we Did I do it? >> Yes, we >> Okay. Jeremy made the motion. >> Jeremy made the motion. I second it

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>> to reappoint Claire Calby. Re recommend the board of selectmen reappoint Claire Calby to the historic district commission. Do we have to resend each of those votes individually or No, I guess I guess

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>> No, it can't. It was one of those way, >> right? Oh, that's right. It was one vote. >> Okay. Now, the second reappoint was for Gerald Bazik. Oh, I'm sorry. >> We have to vote. >> Oh, Gerald Bazique is Yes. >> Can I vote?

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>> Uh, you can vote for yourself. >> Good. >> Well, yeah, the president does. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Clare told me. Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes.

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in saying it that means you have to accept or re >> yeah you have to accept there's no backing out that's the magic word is it >> thank you cla >> for your service and your continuing confidence in the commissioner now we

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have to take up the second reappoint being Joe Bzikas so can I have a motion I make a motion to accept

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the reappoint application for general one. >> Okay. Can I have a second? >> Second. >> All right. Discussion. Is there a possibility

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that I could become the associate member? Associate member mean the alternate member. Yes, I do need associate. I would like to be the member. It would leave us an opening >> for another person. So, you would like

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to can she change her application? >> Well, there's no opening for >> Oh, that's right. There's no opening because Jen Raplet has not resigned yet. Okay. >> Kathy's Kathy's still in place.

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>> Yeah. till 28. Um, which I don't know how that work, but whatever. Um, so I think the only thing that could happen if Jerry wanted that would be to step down >> and then reify

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for >> the associate alternate when that is available. Oh, >> I can do that. >> We can do that. So it will make we make a motion to >> do

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this this general revel I I understand it. Um but if her firm is up not >> it's not up. No, they made everybody the same. They made everybody 2028.

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>> Oh, okay. >> All right. The point is move. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, we So, no vote will be taken on Jerry. >> There's application. >> So, what do you what's this?

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>> Well, I'll do an application for the um >> Okay. For the associate member. >> Okay. I keep saying so. >> Okay. So, we accepted her application, but we're not going to recommend. Is that what our motion is going to be?

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>> Until until she resubmits her application. >> Okay. Well, we're giving her a chance to re resubmit. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So in other words, Jill, you are going to resubmit the application for the assoc

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alternate position. >> Correct. >> Okay. So we don't have to vote on it. Correct. >> All right. So there'll be no vote taken. >> And and you can stay in your seat until somebody's appointed.

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>> Yeah. What is that called? The special >> continuity of government. >> Continuity. >> Yeah. So until until one of the other applicants are appointed >> and one in I mean there's a whole big >> it's not just us

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>> and where the select board isn't meeting on a regular basis right now. We don't know how when that will be. >> All right. Thank you. >> So >> you're welcome. Thank you for your service. >> Yes. >> Okay. So

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>> okay I miss the blame. Okay. Now, >> but she's still going to need it. >> Yes. So, and now we have to um move to item six, which is to discuss volunteers for appointment equipment. We have two. We have Robert

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Theion who is a would a service person to the town in other capacities is also a working architect, licensed and still working architect. We do not have an architect

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on the board. >> So, can I have a motion to accept his application? Is that what we're doing? Claire, >> I would like a motion to accept Robertian's application. I second it

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>> to recommend >> to recommend. >> Are we recommending or just they're accepting? >> We're accepting right this second. >> Okay. So any discussion on Robert the >> need to be a great answer for the >> commission I I agree too I mean his

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knowledge is he's knowledgeable >> he's already >> contributed to us in a huge way >> and I think he there's no question that he doesn't understand historic history right I mean he's not

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>> this is his life >> his and we'll be able to learn so much more. >> We will learn and I think that that's been really lacking on the board. I mean, we tried it. It just got too out of control. But if he's

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in here every month and we have him scheduled to give a half hour >> and if if some of the members don't like it, they can step out in our car. >> Yeah. Well, I think it's an educational >> Well, of course it is. Of course it is. And the idea that anyone would not

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embrace it on this committee is >> that's right. >> It's on this committee >> should be on the committee. Correct. >> That's true. >> Okay. So, can I have a vote to accept Robert Darian's application

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to be recommend? >> It was just a motion to accept Marian's application. >> Okay. So, can I have a roll call vote to accept the application? >> Gerald. Yes. >> Calpy. Yes. >> And yes. >> Church. Yes. Now, we need a recommend

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Robert Theion recommend that the board of selectmen appoint Robert Theion to the board of select to the historic district commission. And I think that term expires in 2028. >> 29 >> 29

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>> and so clear would be expiring 29 also. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I'll make that motion. >> Thank you gentlemen. I'll second it. Thank you. Claire, any further discussion on the motion to recommend to

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the board select Robert Darian? >> I hearing nothing. I I do wonder how much weight our recommendation call. >> We're going to find out. >> We will. >> Um >> I know. >> We're going to find out. So,

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yes. >> Cla yes. Kathford. Yes. >> Mary Jane Churchill. Yes. Unanimously voted that Robert Daring be recommended sit on HTC. Now the next one is to accept the

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application of Jasmine Santiago. Can I have a motion? >> So moved. >> Second. Have discussion on accepting the application. >> How many ultimates can we have?

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>> I don't know. That's a good question. I I don't know the answer. I mean, I know that the 4C says two, but I don't know if we can ask for more and with the credentials that she listed

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off. We could use each and every one of them. It is just the factor that we don't know how strong she is in any of them

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or do they really exist? >> Well, I think that that is one of the observations and um >> well, yeah, she doesn't fit into any of the criteria really. Well, at the end of the um

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>> of the meeting, she did give a a pretty what I consider to be a pretty impassion speech about caring about the history of the town. I mean, she did add that to who what she was, but I and I and I

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believe that it was true, but it goes back to the original thing we said. She doesn't have any experience in the towns and historic and it's all about knowledge of 4C. knowledge of the town and what its historic assets are. >> Yeah. >> And and how the enforcement.

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>> So, it's like having a new a newbie. She needs training if she wants to be on the board. >> I I'm kind of I'm I'm kind of between on this because I didn't get the feeling that she was going to be around for a while. >> Well, that was another thing. She said that for a while she's going to be in town. I don't know what that meant

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either. Well, that's where I >> And then she could be from Zoom, but we need boots on the ground, so to speak. >> Yeah, I I agree. >> That was the thing that, >> you know, I I'm driving up and down Main Street >> constantly.

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>> Constantly pulling signs, sending signs, notice to people. I got to get those painter signs off your property. Another >> No, they can they can be there two weeks. >> Well, it's been a week. >> Yeah. So, they still have another home. >> Okay. I'll keep >> because they were initially put out

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about six weeks ago and I pulled them. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, we need that kind of >> understanding eyes, >> right? You know, um I'm not saying she would not be a good pick. I just don't think she's

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ready. I mean, we are right now experiencing >> the what happens when you have people that know nothing about the commission, >> right? >> And it's painful. And I think it's contributing to the dissension and the disruption because they really don't

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know. And I mean, you can't blame them for not knowing because they never did this before. But this is not the kind of place where you learn. You'll learn at the alternate position. >> Yeah. >> And James Dory brought that up his very

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self. Mhm. >> Um, is this an instead of sending the application forward to the board of selecting because we really well we have two positions. Don't you want to just recommend two

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people >> to the board of selectment for the two open positions and then we can get back to Jasmine and say just like we're saying to Gerilyn to apply for the alternate when it becomes available. >> Yeah.

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Okay. >> Because we've already done the two positions. >> Yeah. We recommended Claire and we recommended Robert, >> right? >> So now we have to send a letter to Jasmine and say I'm sorry, but we chose we recommended. Now to Claire's point,

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we don't know what the board of selectman's going to do. >> Oh, that's right. and and Laura Shiff made that abundantly clear that we can recommend that the board can do whatever it wants, which is disappointing to hear that we're not all on the same page, >> right? >> Because we're all working for the same

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residents. We're all here for the town. >> Mhm. >> So, I would >> Is she our liaison? I thought >> I thought was our leazison, but I'm not sure. I got a clear >> She said she was in the email. She said,

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>> but that's a whole other story. Yeah, >> we can't even talk about that. That's >> point of order. >> Believe me, I'd love to, but we can't. But I would really like to know if

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Valerie is a lean or if Lauren is because I don't think Lori should be board selectment appointing authority on the board and the lay. >> Yeah, I don't see >> that's like way too many fingers in one part. conflict of interest. It's got to be. >> Yeah.

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>> You can only wear one or two hats. >> So, how do we vote for accepting Yasm mayor's application? >> I think that we don't accept it because we already have recommendations filled.

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>> Okay. But in discussion, I think we should give her the courtesy of a letter, >> right? >> Because she was on the meeting when they vote for her.

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>> So So I think we we owe her the courtesy of the letter to just explain the situation. >> Right. Right. Um, if there's ever an unfilled opening, >> right? Well, we're going to know about

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that with the general >> business because I have the letter to the general somewhere in his file to be mailed out as soon as the meeting's off. >> Yeah. >> I just want to get it stamped so I have a date. Sorry. >> Yeah.

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Um, but I thought Jerry was going to be taking revel. >> Well, we don't know what's going to happen. She might be on two other committees as far as we know signing up for everything. Yeah. >> Jerry. >> No, we're not going to We're just going

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to say to her what we said to Geraldine. >> Right. Right. Because we don't have no position right now. Right. and and and if there is a position, we'll let her know or I'm sure someone will let her know. Yeah. >> Or she don't she's watching the agendas or the postings.

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>> Right. Right. >> I mean, we only have so many positions. >> That's correct. >> And I do think the board should be evenly split with knowledge and learning. >> Well, knowledge would be wonderful.

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>> Yeah. Well, and be also when you read the open government handbook, it says that if you're on the board, a board that you should be learning as much as you can, not just from the meetings, but outside yourself to put to have

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information, which shows a passion for being on the board, a caring, a next level step rather than just being a face on a board, >> right? >> Or a body on a board. Yeah.

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>> So, can I should we make that a motion or do we just >> make a motion that you send a letter to Jen explaining the situation to Jasmine? >> Jasmine. Jasmine. Jasmine. >> Yes. Jasmine. >> Jasmine. >> Yeah.

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Motion to Senator W explaining >> current situation >> current situation and vacancies >> on vacancies. What vacancies? Commission Commission Commission.

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Can I second on that motion? I'll second it. >> Thank you, Claire. Any discussion on the letter? >> No, I think the >> just professional letter. >> Yeah, I think that that's >> we really have to do that. She took her time.

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>> Absolutely. Mhm. But she showed interest. We have to respect that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Can I have a roll call vote? Yes. Yes. >> Kathine Spock. Yes. >> Church. Yes. So those

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finished. Now we have uh the last item for the afternoon before we head to the bank contact um is the restructure of the board. >> Restructuring the board. It keeps coming up every time.

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>> Well, it keeps coming up. It's been coming up for what the past four meetings. So I think it would be I would like a motion to appoint a a chairman, a vice chairman and a clerk.

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>> I'll make a motion to um ask Mary Jane if she be the chairperson again. >> Yes, I do. >> That's very you want to make a motion to appoint, right?

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>> Yes. Is that right, Ken? I'll second >> appoint Mary Jane as chair >> for the remainder of the year. >> Yes. For the remainder of the year. >> So >> well aren't we into our new year? >> Not yet. >> June. So

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>> we just started in July one, right? >> Yeah. So until June 30th. >> June 30th, 2027. >> Yeah. >> 2027. Do I have a second on that? >> Second. >> Clear. >> Any discussion on Jane?

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>> I just think I just think continuation of what's going on should be, you know, we should know what we're doing. >> We really can't restructure as we want to without the missing members.

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We can't we can't they have to accept it. >> What do you mean? >> Like right we got three people who Yeah. >> We have a qu. >> Yeah.

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Can we nominate someone that's not here and take a vote on them? >> Can we? No. I'm asking. >> Well, I think we can. I think you can, but I think they also have the right to decline. >> Well, they can decline, but we can we we

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we can >> move this thing forward. >> And then a choice. >> Yeah. >> And what's your point? We can't do it without them. Without >> We need a quorum. We have a quorum.

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>> We have to wait for their acceptance is all we have to do is put just put acceptance for next meetings. waiting for you. You want to recommend the vice chair and the clerk? >> I would recommend James and this vice

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vice clerk. This vice clerk. Yeah. Or vice chair. >> Where's money's office? You're back. Um, I'm back. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Um, >> is there a reason for that? Please, Jar,

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take over. >> Okay. My question is I have noticed in several other meetings besides this one that quite often that Mr. Dorian

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seems to believe that he's taking over a meeting and where in fact all questions and things should go through the chair and quite often he steps into a role that he's really not I just don't want uh a problem of him stepping into a role

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that he's not really into you wouldn't recommend it would have Susan Gurin Maria Milikin, Dora Shiffren, and uh Robert Dar, right?

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I would make Robert Daring the vice chair. I would make a recommendation for him vice chair. The wasn't even thinking of those two, >> but there haven't been a point there. >> Oh, that's right. >> So, we should really restructure

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>> after. Okay. >> All right. >> Well, we can do that. >> Okay. So, then we'll table this. Can I have a motion to table the resting until after the appointments? >> So, moved. >> Well, that's good. >> Yeah. So, Cle made the motion. So, move the

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motion. Can I have a second? >> I'll second it. Jerry, any discussion on moving the restructuring until after the appointments? >> No, it seems. >> I think you're right, Claire. Thank you. Thank you for suggest. So, um, can I have a roll call vote?

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>> Yes. >> Claire Toby, yes. >> Kathine Spard, yes. >> Mary Church, yes. >> Unanimous. Thank you, Claire. >> Oh, you're welcome. Can I please have a motion to adjurnn? I'll make a motion to

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adjurnn. Um, what about this? >> Oh. Oh. Oh, no. I can't adjurnn. Hold on. Oh, >> okay. This came from the vote selecting. >> Yeah. They want us to appoint a member to the ad hoc reading room and the heart

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library. So, two people, two people. Don't all talk at once. >> Well, I had applied to be on the committee for the West Towns in reading room,

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but um they changed the parameters of that be an ad hoc committee >> only for a year and I'm not really interested in it. >> Okay. Because we all

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Yeah, we all we all signed up, >> but they're not allowing us to work together. >> Yeah. >> Or even I don't I wouldn't even care if there was more people, but they're just they're just saying that they've kind of separated >> and they kind of Well, they did.

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>> It's abundantly clear that they don't want us to work together. >> Exactly. And I think we were kind of >> We put our application in before long before, >> right? the actual West Hamilton reading room committee and now they've done away with it

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>> even though they say there was never really one. Well, there was really one. >> Well, I that that's a challenge. >> I mean, >> you know, pick your battles. >> Yeah. So, >> I mean, it's unfortunate that it is now

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>> almost August and we have no movement on this at all. I mean, it is abundantly clear that there's a reason they don't want to move forward on this. Otherwise, it would have been done the day after town meeting because there was so many pe it was a unanimous town vote. >> That's right. And

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>> and to to had people that were willing to start >> immediately immediately and and get it off the ground. Yeah. >> But it's obvious after not appointing us to other boards and committees and doing away with those boards and committees

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that they don't want us working together. >> Correct. So then they're going to want one of the other three people >> probably. I know Maria's on the um CPA >> CPA. So I I you can already have them do

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so many things. >> You don't know. She might want to be on >> maybe library or we talking about the reading. >> Let's talk about reading. >> So is there two positions or are they looking for one person to fill both? >> No, two people. I'm I'm sure.

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>> Okay. >> Two. They're looking up two people. >> Two people. Yeah. >> Well, what about Jim? I mean, he lives in West >> He does live in West Town. >> I suppose we should ask him if he wants to do it. >> To do it, though, because he live does

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live in West Town. >> Correct. Good point. Good point. That's his stocking ground. Does it have and it they say it has to be from our committee. It's not just somebody

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that we can recommend. >> Oh, were they looking for >> Oh, it doesn't stand. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. So that you take somebody from say west towns into the west towns of the meeting or somebody. >> Let me see what she said. Because

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the appointee to say Fincom doesn't have to be from >> West Hamilton. >> Yeah. The planning board or whatever. It can be somebody that they recommend >> that's not on the board. >> And I don't know who they've already

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appointed anybody for that. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. I know they have for the heart library because Cindy King wanted to be on >> the west town and she's in West Town. >> Oh, she's in West Towns. >> I forgot about her.

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>> So, the email is I would like to do the West Towns and reading room in our next meeting >> probably on the fourth or fifth but to be determined. You and Kathy both completed volunteer so you and Claire both completed volunteer forms for the

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West reading room. The other forms are not from HDC members. >> I just thought it might make sense if one of you was the HTC's appointed member that would remove you from the pool of the other seats.

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Obviously the pleasure of I don't I'm not I not understand this Roma but and then she says for the heart library we will be three appointments. There will be three appointments as of Wednesday. Well, I guess

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very sorry. Technically, that would allow them to meet. >> Yeah, there's five there's five members. I saw that five members, but they have appointed three. So, they could meet because three is a quorum. >> Oh, I get. So, that's what she means that they could technically they'd be

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allowed to meet, right? >> Okay. One other member will be as be appointed once we get more volunteers and the last one HTC appointed. We'll take that one anytime as they can proceed either way because the high library is on its way. They can move

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forward. >> Move forward. >> So, do you want me to table this again and bring it up at the August meeting? >> Okay. >> Yeah, let's table this again one more time. >> Well, I'd like to make the appointment

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on the 5th, fourth, or 5th. Our meeting isn't until the 17th because Well, we can set the meeting. >> Well, I don't know. I mean, you won't be there. >> I will be the 13th. Is it the 13th? >> You're leaving the 11th?

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>> 9. >> Wait, you're the 13th. >> 13th is Thursday. >> Yeah, I won't be here. Hopefully, I'll be in Maine and not in Boston. >> Yes, true. And the fifth and sixth,

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neither of us will all be celebrating my birthday. >> Oh, that's right. >> Oh, six. Uh, >> okay. Um >> because the thing of it is is that if if

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you recommend say Jim to be on the committee for West Towns and reading room, he's not here to say >> he wants to do it. Yeah. >> You know, >> right? All right. I'll just write back to her and say we tried but no one we had no

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takers. >> Yeah. >> It's not that we didn't have any takers. Well, I mean, I feel personally I feel that we were pretty much black. Yeah. >> So, I'm not interested in going around more same,

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>> right? >> So, I'm not interested. And and my plate's kind of full. >> I'm not interested. >> Yeah. How do you feel? Go ahead. You want >> I'm not No. >> No. >> That this wasn't the committee I signed.

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No, I volunteered for I wanted to get put boots to the ground running, have the septic checked to start with, you know, do other things and I don't see that anything's happening and we're going to be so far into the year that

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nothing >> that's the thing is that you're not going to be able to get people to do something. >> And what is it just a recommending thing where we recommend to the board of selectmen that this is what needs to be done and then they'll say, "Well, we don't want to do that. We don't have the money. >> Well, so let's sell it.

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>> Well, but they have the money number one. And there was a committee. Who are we recommending to? Are we recommending to the board of selectmen? Is this overreach? More overreach or it >> I'm sure it is. >> Yeah. >> Or or is there a real committee that we would be recommending to? And why would

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they need our recommendations? >> I thought we could go in and say, "Okay, >> yeah, it's like a stall tactic. >> We need to fix the septic. We need to to paint or have the floors done >> done. Yeah. Or have the bathroom >> have the septic come and look at the septic have the

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>> that would be number one. >> But it is unclear. Does the ad hoc You're right. Does it recommend to the select one who says no or yes or maybe >> right >> it

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no politics. I'm not going to do >> too much of a weight. I don't want to do all this work to find out. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's no >> I don't care what you say. >> Yeah. We've already experienced that by having our applications rejected. >> Right. Right.

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>> You know, yours and mine must have gone out and thrown in the rubbish from >> Yeah. I mean, the idea that it wasn't they didn't say, "Oh, thank God we have people interested and grab us, so I won't now." So you can respond and say that >> at the meetings

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>> there a meeting we did not have a full board and we would prefer to vote on it when there's >> Yeah because we couldn't ask everyone. >> Yeah. >> So I'd make a motion that we table this. >> Okay. >> Second.

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>> Any further discussion on it? Okay. Can I roll call vote that we table this until our next meeting? >> Jerome, yes. >> Help, yes. Captain Spar, yes. >> All right. Now, we have to decide on

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when we want to have our next meeting because a lot of people can't make the August 13th meeting. Would you rather have it the next week? Push it to the next week. The what? the 20th or the next the Oxford T August maybe.

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>> Oh, August. >> August. >> We're going to a >> and they haven't tearly. >> Let me just look at the calendar. That's fine. >> I don't even know what my calendar looks like. No, I mean with the real calendar.

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>> No, I know. Oh, I I see what you're saying. >> So, obviously we can't do the sixth. >> Well, we're supposed to be doing the second Tuesday of the month, which would be the 13th, >> which we all already said was to be Oh,

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you're not here yet. >> I'm not hearing. >> All right. >> I don't know. >> You know, July was supposed to be a no meeting. I don't even know. So, let's say August is a no meeting. >> There's a lot going on in August. Well,

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preparing for that election and everything, this room will probably be >> Oh, really? Oh, oh, for early voting. >> Occupied for early voting. >> Oh, that's right, too. >> All right, then. Do you want to do our next meeting in September? Sure. Yeah. September 13th, which is my

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birthday. >> September 13th is a Sunday. Oh, it is. Oh, >> darn. I'm bringing a cake. >> It's a second Thursday. >> Yeah, it'll be the 10th.

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>> All right. The 10th of September. Okay. 10th of September will be the next meeting. >> Well, we want to do three or four. >> Three. >> Okay. No, it's not changed up until

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>> we need to. >> What? >> Oh, >> no. We need to >> Well, I don't see the need, but >> yeah, >> anything anything to rock the vote. >> So, um, may I have a motion to schedule the next

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meeting to September 10th? I don't think we need a motion. >> No, we don't. I just motion to adjourn. >> I'll do that. GP sprawford adjourn second by >> any discussion on a journey roll call vote is yes

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>> you in charge of call the meeting to end at 3:49