I'll call the meeting to order at 3:03 on Thursday, August 14th, room 2, town hall. Um, may I please have a roll call from here?
Jane Churchville present. Thank you. All right. I have to make an announcement that we're being recorded by TPM. Is anybody else recording? Okay. So, we got All right. First things first, we're going to have to accept the May 8th
meeting minutes because you remember I didn't have them last time. Mhm. And I they're pretty long. So, if you want to take a look and I didn't get them out soon enough, but they were pretty intense.
May you might want to look at the beginning. the May minute because that involves 69 Main Street and the Harbor Trestle and else.
Oh, that's it. Okay, good. So, okay. Well, we did meet June 12th. July 12th. July. July. No, we already accepted the June meeting minutes at the last meeting.
We accepted June. Oh, I see. We didn't have May. I said that and just Yeah. So, now we have July. Really? It's August. And I'm as confused as you are. All right.
So, let's do May for one day. Do you have May? I have May that I'm looking at. Okay. Good. Let's do May. because the highlight the application
we do July because it's quicker. Yeah. With it on the way. Yeah. Um All right. Just take a peek at those. We didn't do much on in July. All right. No, she's here from right next to Mill
Town Harbor. I remember number six being done in June when you got when we got their applications via volunteer last did it in July. the insurance and then
yeah you you can look at the you can look at the YouTube yeah I haven't and I haven't had a chance to do that but um most of that meeting was taken up at that CBA hearing Yeah, that was the flames.
Oh, yeah. I'll make a motion to accept the um July 10th, 2025 meeting minutes. Thank you, Claire. I have a motion to
accept the July 10th meeting minutes. May I have a vote? Laura Laura, yes. James Churchill, yes. So, we've accepted donors. Do you want to do the maze?
They're pretty long. Unless you want to take them and read them. I I do believe they're important minutes. Yeah, they have. I I I think they're real important. So, if you prefer to um I'm not I'm okay with um I'll make a
motion that we uh review and uh look at May 8th, 2025 minutes at our next meeting. Oh, okay. To revisit it at the next meeting. Mhm. A motion to revisit the
May 2025 minutes at the September meeting. I have a second. Thank you, Claire. May I have a vote, please? Or any discussion? Anyone want to talk? Well, we're just postponing. So,
yeah. Lord I married church. Okay. So let's get to the move of matter today. Thank you for that. Now I wanted to introduce the new members but we only have one here and we're going to
introduce you Jay. Mr. in were all the new um people I don't know wellformed cuz I had nobody got excuse me I'm on Zoom this is Maria Milikin I just got your new Zoom information because the other link
didn't work yeah I know um I work well see this is what happened um I put the agenda out with the what I believe to be the new Zoom number because David
was giving me six months at a time, but I just got informed this afternoon when I came in that this is wrong and he's not doing it anymore. So, I'm not doing Zoom anymore. I I This happens all the time with with TDM. I I I post an agenda and then they
tell me that the Zoom is wrong. So, I probably Jen has the wrong one. That's probably why she's not on. Yeah. I had to call the town hall and the clerk, they told me to go to the website and the updated information is on there. I don't know if I have Jen's
phone number. I may. Uh anyway, uh yeah, it is what it is. There's always hiccups with technology, so I figured it out. Right. Well, that's great, right? But lucky you though, because I don't think all of us would be able to do that. Not us, but
I don't think we can. I don't think we cannot offer hybrid. Yeah, I'm in Vermont right now, so I wouldn't have been able to make it today. So, let's check that out and be sure. Yeah, I'm sure it has to be available.
I know it it's part it's part of the ruling ever since co that they have extended it gives people more opportunities to attend and they has it has to be a hybrid meeting. Do all boards, all boards, all organizations
have to offer it. MRPC, MO, MJTC, all of them. All right. They have to be public. Um, so I'm Is there something I can help with that? I I don't know, Laura. I mean, I can only go by what Tamp tells me and when
he sends me things and now if it's not the right, this is like the third time it's happened. So for me that three times is like a done deal. I don't let me talk to Dave because I I want I didn't want to have
to get a new one every time because every time I go to do the minutes I have to get a new one. First I got to ask Sabrina if the room is ready. I got to ask Dave. I mean they're scheduled meetings every second Thursday. Yet I have to get permission from Sabrina and then she has to get me to go to David
and Sep board. Well, it's it's a horrible system. Yeah. You know, and then if you're on the 11th hour trying to get it under, you're done. So, that's why that's why I'd rather if I could I I'm going to find out about the Zoom thing. If the Zoom is not a
law, I I I don't want to bother with it because look, this is wrong. Jen could be Jerry could be trying to get in. Sue could be trying to get in. They wouldn't know to call city town hall. You know what I do? I don't go off your notices.
I go to the website, but my but but I put them I put that on the website. I give them that website information. They get that from me. Okay. So, but she got on when she went to the website. No, she called. Yeah, she called.
But she went to the Yeah, because she get on through the website. Yes, she The website's updated. So, okay. updated as of this afternoon. Okay.
Okay. I don't even have it. It sounds like a little time with Dave Pony. It used He's always very accommodating. He is very That's why I'm surprised beauty of it about the six month thing because we had it. He gave me we've been running in the same thing every once in a while. Concom
that's all right. Well, that can be resolved easy enough. All right. So, let's not you explain to him some of the trials and tribul he'll dial it in for you. Sure. All right. When's the next one? Do you want me to try to set that for you? September. It's September.
You said the second. Okay. Thank the second Thursday. I think it's the 11th. Uh the 11th. Yeah. I have it. And once a month is two every twice a month, but once a month. Once a month. Nice.
Well, for this body to me, I mean, we had a joint Oh, no. Something weird comes up. Sometimes we have to go like an emergency. We had a public hearing which wasn't that meeting. An emergency. Well, I don't know. But well, yeah,
there was a it was a public hearing that we have to Yeah. But that's once in a while. That's not That's not all the time. I'm just trying to get myself dialed in and it's going to be while we have you here. So, here's the deal.
I don't have a an email for you, so I can't send you the minutes and the agenda. It's all I'm almost done with that. It's all theme we set up. Oh, you haven't? Okay. So, because I was going to say the only other way I can do it is to put it in our box
in the I'm in town hall. That's what I mean. So, you go in and you go to the historic district box. Yes, sir. And you can see Okay. That's what I'll do. That's That's good. But you will have um full email
accessibility to etal. You don't technology. I just Yeah, I know. I know it's awful, but you really do need certain things. You know what I mean? So, until this gets resolved, I'll just put it in the box and then you let me know when I can email to you.
Abs. Yes. Maria, you're getting my emails, correct? Yes. Well, good. All right. So, let's resume with the intro. Just so you guys know, I texted Jen the um meeting ID and passcode. So, maybe
she'll get that and join if she can. Thank you. That's good. Yeah. All right. So, let's start with James who is here in person. I said, let's start with you because you're here in person. Sure. Just a quickie because I don't think
everyone knows who you are. I'm sure Maria isn't. Am I right, Maria? I don't I do not think so. Hi, Marie. I able to see you, but Hi. Good. Oh, well, come stand here so she can see
quickly. Um, I'm sure you don't have phone to selfie and send it to her by text. My the same now. in probably if you speak right? Yes.
Perfect. Okay. You want to say something about yourself? Do I just Is there something of interest you would like to ask of me? Yes. I I would like to ask is what your um you have served on several boards in
town. This isn't your first rodeo. No. So could you just give us a little background of what you have served on so we can have an idea of what I am mostly focused on agriculture and environment. My my whole premise of what
I enjoy the most are those two particular um boards. I mean, to me, they're very important for our town. And I thought those are would be a good addition to get more historical knowledge.
And I kind of bring the both of those together because I have a lot of concern to some of our historical farmlands, barns, and farm houses that are falling to the wayside and people aren't paying very much attention to them. I know everybody has great
views and every how they see the historical district, the houses, the facades, etc. I, in my opinion, as humble as it can be, I find some of the farm houses, some of the farmlands and the old anti the
old barns hold equal, if not more quality of history. Okay. So, I agree, you know, but we are going to cover that. Um, we're going to cover that. Yeah. Yeah. No, there will be information on that. Most definitely
because I'm in the middle of doing a restoration on the bond and it's going to be lifted. It's going to be moved on to new foundation and probably one of the biggest buildings in town to ever be moved. Oh. In regards of it, saving it opposed to
letting it fall to the ground. I don't do that on my wash. So, we're doing 100% restoration on it. We're we're lifting it. We're moving it. It's a threetory 48x 48 barn post and beam. And it's going to stay for another x amount
hundreds of years in town, which it should. Excellent. You know what came first, the historical buildings in the center of town or the funds to be able to support these buildings? They they parallel anyway of Thank you very much. That's interesting.
Let me interject for a minute just because I was looking at the agenda and I know we made a motion. We accept we made a motion and seconded to accept July 10th, 2025, but the agenda was calling for June 2025.
So, wait a minute. Can I just state that agenda? The agenda states May 2025 and June 2025, right? Okay. Yeah. Okay. So correction is so we don't have to correct the minute just the agenda
right the the July 10th minutes were motion okay Maria I mean Maria can we hear from you sure um I do want to just tell you from a Zoom perspective uh I am only seeing a
couple of you at the table so I don't know if the owl maybe is just not working Well, um anyway, hopefully I will be in there there in person next time I'm in Vermont visiting. Um and I'm sorry, what did you want to hear from me? Well, I just wanted to know a little um
about your background and what you ex um you know, what drove you to join the historic district commission. Yeah. So, like I put on my application, I was not originally born in Townsen. Um but I live here with my family. I work
locally. I'm an insurance agent in Grten um for a large family-owned insurance business, the Murphy Insurance Agency, and I've been in the business for 21 years. So, I deal with property insurance. Um, and I appreciate old
properties. Um, I love what I've seen in town on Main Street, um, and other, you know, other places. Um, I just want our community to be um, you know, nice and fixed up and I really like that what's happening in town. So, I went on the
website, kind of did a little research and I saw that you had some openings. So, I figured I would get involved. U, maybe I can bring a fresh perspective and give a little bit of my time to help. Thank you. Does anyone have any
questions for either James or Yori? No. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, now we will start to talk about issues. Oh, Laura, you're going to have to help me on the next one. So,
you already know this, but I don't know if you know, Lorie, although you might have been told by the clerk that when you sign up for one of these boards as a member, you have to take ethics classes. One is conflict of interest and one is open meeting law. Did they tell you
about that? Okay, good. Huh? And oh, go ahead. I was just going to say I got all the paperwork, but there's been no real instruction, you know, on next steps. So, I guess I'll just navigate that on my own. Okay. Well, you can go online to the
ethics or you can just type in conflict of interest open meeting law and and they'll pop up and they're little webinars and you just sort of take Oh, Lori has a picture where you do it. I'm sure you got this when you signed in. It's in there. Okay. Okay. Yeah, just go online. It's real
easy to find and they're little courses and I would say they're about maybe half hour, 45 minutes instruction and you have to answer. You know the the you've heard real estate I mean you have an insurance license, you know what they're like. Same thing. Yeah. Yeah.
Now Yeah. I want to hear your announcement. Um September 4th. Okay. September. September 4th for all employees, elected officials, appointed officials, uh, legal counsel
will be giving a 2-hour presentation on public record requests, open meeting law violations, and conflict of interest. And that's from 1 to 3 during the afternoon or 6 to 8.
I assume Adam will be doing that. Doing it. Now, just to be clear, it's not a substitute for those. It is not, right? This is more educational and hand maybe a little hands-on
examples and stuff like that. Okay. And that's important. So, it's recommended you, you know, you're not going to get in trouble, but it's recommended to go and see what they all got to say. And then on the 4th we'll be in um the great hall in town hall.
Okay. Great hall. September 4th you said. Yes. Thursday 1 to 3 or 6 to 8. So it's two sessions. Two sessions. Does it work? Okay. It's the same. It's the same session.
Same topics but it'll be people who can't make the afternoon, you know, or they can't don't like the night, you know? Right. don't have that option. Yeah, that's good. You've been talking about that for a while, so it's finally better. Will this be um on Zoom?
No. Oh, you better put it on. I don't know. I'm not. Where are you going? Are you going camping? So, it doesn't matter. Camping. What are you going to camping? Anyway, campers just break up the
general. We could do the exch. No phones, no computers. That's what I'm thinking. I don't know why she's asking. Somebody will record it for you, you know. Yeah. How do we know if it's going to be
on Zoom or that? You'll have to clean it up page. That's a question. We'll we'll find out. Yeah, I'm going to find out. Yeah, we'll find Maria. We'll let Maria I keep bringing that up. Yeah, Maria, we'll let you know. Oh, I'm not worried about doing that on Zoom.
I'll be there in person. Oh, okay. Thank you. But Cla Cla's going to be in those lay of the woods. Woods in what? Memphis. Okay. So, that's I'm very happy about
that, Laura. So, that is a nice segue to historic district come Massachusetts. Two things are important. The historic district commission is governed and ruled and the authority
where our authority is the commonwealth of Massachusetts, not the town of Townsa, not the county of Middle Sex, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. And the rules and regulations are, write this down, mass
general law, MLG. Actually, I've got all that down. I just GL Mass General Law 40C and Oh, no. It goes all the way to section 9
or 10. Yeah, it's a pretty long section. It is. It really embodies everything that we are pledging to do. It's our mission and it it explains how the mission is carried out and supplemented by towns
and bylaws. Now, the trick about the bylaws and Mass General 4C is that the Mass General 4C says you were supposed to do this. It's recommended. The bylaws didn't pick everything out of Mass Law um 4C. So, you really have to be
acquainted with both because Massachusetts is a little more stringent. But it's it's really interesting, especially if you're interested in the historic districts and and what our mission is and and how we accomplish that mission. And second of all, with
that, Mass General Law 4C, the Massachusetts Historic District Commission has classes, webinars, and um different kind of classes, which I am going to bring to this board. I I've got to make
a schedule with with the Commonwealth, but they're about an hour long and I want to dedicate at least a couple of our meetings in the fall to um watching these videos. Okay. Um some of them are like purely informational like the different
identifications of the uh architect, colonial, Georgian, federal, but others are very helpful in our making decisions like what do we look for? But what what are the most important priorities when we look at a historical building?
So those are the two things I really want to stress that we're all on board with. Do our Victorian houses Victorian come? Yes, they do. With me on sound roofs? Yes, they do. Second floor slated? Yes. Okay. Around the top. So you're good. Um now
the um item number nine. This is this is a towns and thing. We have the towns and historic district commission which we're all members of. It's authorized by the commonwealth of Massachusetts and it's governed by the
commonwealth. That town has its own little historical society. So they're two separate organizations. It's a trick because not a lot of people get it. The historical society is purely a nonprofit organization organized what
clear? 1937. When did they No, 1896. 1896 they started is when it was started by Hansen. Correct. by Hansen Fesdon who had the barrel fat. And the historical society
has their museum right now in Towns and Harbor at the Reed House at 72 Main Street. And they have a vault which has all information. If you have any agricultural farmland that you want to look up, all that information is
somewhat cataloged in their vault. So make no mistake about it. There's two ways that that preservation is happening in town, if you will. One is by the districts, okay? One, two, and three, which would
be Main Street common area, right? Two, which is the harbor, and three, which is West Towns, which is pretty extensive. It It starts at the railroad tracks at Patton's garage that just burnt, and it goes all the way to the VFW Circle right there where Elsie Rose's house was.
No, no. So that's a big district. Very much so. Yeah. So those are our three districts that we the board cover. The historical society takes care of buildings that are not well the history of town
and also the buildings that are not in historic district they have history on. For example, if you're interested in your agricultural barns and that, that would be the place to go where you could find like the wood farm for example on Worester Road and Fitz Brook Road. No.
So, we have extensive information on that. um Adam's farm, all the old fees property with some of the bail factory at one point in time, but it was mostly
with the 1776 De Leo's old house in the front. Our house was used as the maintenance and operations. Oh, so was the stage coach. Correct. Then from there it branched off to the brick factory which is in the
back of my house which is obviously not there anymore but all the remnants of it are well displayed with the old brick piles etc etc. So I got a a fairly decent amount of history of the west side and all the other farms because
I've accuded a good list of some of these farms. We should focus on that really historical society the historical society and I think Maria Maria you had mentioned that you were interested in the historical society as well as this historic district. So the historical
society would be where you would go to give it you can give oral history more history get more history or to give it to us. Should I move forward to that commission too? Uh composed of the historical society
historic and the leadership. Yeah. Okay. The society is a nonprofit 503C. It's well clear where is the let's let's first okay uh clear up the fact that the
historic district commission is a municipal entity municipal created by the criminals of Massachusetts municipality and appointed ultimately by the so okay
which have nothing to do with the historical society I kept getting critiqued Jim, you've got to understand the difference between HDC and the historical, right? Do not confuse yourself that they are one of
the same. Very much different. We do very different work and I think that last meeting we had I hope it enlightened a lot of people of just how the control the building inspector did not have the ability to
yinate that work that was not under his jurisdiction. So I thought that meeting was a little educational as to how HDC is constructed, how it is formed in in control of a lot of different things.
It is not per say the norm the district. Yeah. No, no, you mean like the other boards and the other committee. Correct. It is very different. Correct. Quickly made I had to at least understand. Yeah. It's not just separation between
church and state. Yeah. That's a good way. Stay focused on that. So, yeah, I'm learning. And then the then then the other side of that coin is the side the society which is it's nonprofit but it's not. It is
private private. Well, it used to be very private be invited. You had to be invited to be on but with the advent of the the West back when Oh, you're talking about Ed West. at
Mary West, you no longer needed to have an invitation. So, so Mary brought it to an open Yeah. open forum. Yeah. So, you can join them. I I I don't think it would be a bad thing. I don't want to overextend
myself, but I'd like to interact with some of them. I But we don't have any. No, your meetings are open though, right? Yeah. But they're only once a month. Once No, no, no. We only have one meeting a year. Yeah. One one membership meeting. A membership meeting. Anybody can come
to our meetings. Okay. Direct and it's usually not a town hall. It would be No, it's Meet us. That's interesting. It isn't a requirement for the meetings to be held
at town hall, but private private private has nothing to do with the district. the except except there's they're on Are you on the board? I'm on No, I'm not on board now of the society now. No, no, no. But you are
right. Claire's a president. Oh, but years ago it it worked under a invitation. They were selective obviously of whom they wanted to bring in. Exactly. That's interesting. I'm not going to question for what reason.
We'll leave that as it is. I'm sure the information is in the wall and I'm sure he understands exact how that function. I'd like to hear that sometime for another day. Yeah. So, does anyone have any questions then about the difference between the
two organizations because I just wish that we could clear this up with everybody in town because people keep giving us So, how many people are on your board and what are what are your functions? I should say that. Okay, there's 11. We're we're we can
have up to 11 on the boy farm. Our functions are to our mission is to educate the town's people of their history and that's why we preserve or we collect you know
now some of the things that the society is involved with for example Earl Russell was a school teacher in towns for se well decades. Yeah. She left a large portion of her
land to the historical well an endowment to the historical society for Howard Park under the rules and regulations. So we have to do something every year or every other year at Howard Park. Yeah. So So we have that piece of property the
society also we don't own that we don't own the property but we have what would you call it? Jurisdiction. Jurisdiction. Yeah. We have to watch over it that the selectmen don't decide they want to put elderly housing there. Right. Okay. Which almost happened. That happened.
You speak to John Barrett about it and he's still not over it that they had made the attempt. They made the attempt. So in a trust form right now obviously. Yes. Yeah. Irrevocable I assume. Irreocable. Irrevocable. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the language has to be stringent to that. Howard Park. Do you know where Howard Park is? I thought it was behind like that street that goes by Evans
up off uh by Bob's repair. Was it the auto place? No, no, no. It's behind Evans. You get down there and goes to the library. Yeah. Yeah. Water Street. Um, yeah.
Oh, that is a long path that goes down the river in that spot. It's a very wet area. Yeah. Right. Very wet. I can't imagine building that. I don't know. Funny things built in.
Funny areas of soil and you filled it in. Yeah. So, and also the society has very interesting buildings in Townsen Harbor, which I'm sure Marie is referring to. The old harbor church, the reed house, the grist millage.
The coupage. Those are the Yeah. And the Koopa shed and the little Kooper shed by the reed house. So, those red one, right? Little red one. The one that you who did the restoration on it? It came from up on Came from up Hill Road. Yeah. And your husband did all the re rehab on
that one? No, no. The former president, Ryan, of Well, we all did. Everybody checked in. Dana, Ryan, you know, you Yeah. Yeah. Dana know. It It was a collaborative with the society,
which is a nice little building. That's good to Oh, yeah. So, which building are you talking about? I I mean, I was referring also about the fire station, but I don't know the names that you're referring to. Well, the fire station the society does not own. The fire station is owned by
the town of Townsen. So that's not part of of the historical society. This the historical society owns on the other side of main street the grist mill which is at the intersection and the big coupridge. It's an old gray building on the right hand
the little the yellow building that extends from South Street to the end of the yellow building house and then the harbor church. So, right, the church. Okay, those are historical society owned
properties, not the fire station. And those are the only buildings that the society owns in towns and anything else that's historic if you or you wouldn't have watched it, but the Massachusetts has this database
called macros. M A C R I S which Massachusetts acquisition and cultural resource and old houses are in it. For example, my house is in 292 Main Street.
The wood farm is in it, which is historical. Beautiful. I mean, I've been in there. Yeah. So, and a lot of isolated houses that are not part of a district are in Mas. You can put your property into MAC, but you know, follow the rules.
Yours, you're already in. I don't Where do you live? I don't want my house in there. Oh, you don't want it. Okay. Where do you live? Maria, it's not an area. Yeah. Are you in the historic district? I mean, in a historic house, Marie. Maria, I'm not. Nope.
I have a new home. I don't live in a historic home if that's what you're asking me. Yeah, I am. Yeah. So that if you had an old home like you could put your property into the address, you just could. You don't have to. All right. Those are the clarifications.
Do we have any other questions? We're good. Okay. Our next meeting will be You have a lot of history in town. Was buried in the West Towns and Cemetery. That was a famous artist. Not Wendel Hov.
He's not buried there. His brother's buried. His stone is there. So it counts as far as I'm concerned. That's fake. Fake news. No, it isn't. I have a picture coming that he did Women and Geese. It was painted from across the street
over towards McGovernfield. You go to the historical site, they have that very painting. You have it down there. We have a print that I sent I'm having two sent out. I'm gonna give one to the McGoverns who own the property and I'm going to keep one for me. That's very cool, you know.
All right. Okay. We're going to confirm our next meeting will be September 11th. 11th 3:00 here. I'll do the Zoom for you, Maria. See how I get through that. Is this it meaning we're ready to say the word?
We don't need no real business right now. Of course. Well, of course we did. We had to introduce new people. That was real business. Okay. I was kind of hoping we'd have a little bit more to it, but Oh, we just wanted to ease you on in, right? Oh, don't worry about easing me. I have
a lot of questions. Do you have questions? Oh, of course I do. A lot of different want to just bring some of them up so we can I can You would like to discuss them at a later meeting? No, I'd like to discuss them as soon as we could if it's if it's okay. Or we can
just you and I can do a oneon-one. You can get me up to speed or you we usually go the hour. I'm good. Yeah. Please ask your questions. I I um I'd like to understand better on the facades aspect of it in West Towns. And
is there a requirement when somebody does the front of a house that the siding would be requested to be in wood? Is vinyl siding considered? No. No. If it's in the historical district. Yes.
All right, moving on. Is there any any more focus on Hartown to the Senate? Does everything all fall under a fairly equal overview? I'm happy that you asked that question. The answer is unequivocally yes. Both in
the historic district which the three harbor, West Townsen and Center. And for the society if I may speak it is towns and history the districts I we could create
a new district board could I could could do that absolutely so yes it is the entire town from Ashby state line Ashby blind all the way to Po Grten wherever else we touch it's the whole history of the town as a whole yes
now this board only can have an outreach on those properties in the historic district. Correct. I understand the more district. Yeah. The district and the society and the society is for the whole entire town. It doesn't discriminate against the district.
Okay. So, I'm more in reference of our board right here. District. When I see houses getting worked on, I go, "All right. Are they doing that in vinyl? A doing wood? Are they replacing windows? Are they changing doors?
These are aspects of maintaining the historical architectural integrity of the property. So any way you want to look at it. So I've seen a lot of changes and I'm wondering who's who brought something I remember very well.
This is yesterday afternoon. What do we have? He just won't take those signs now. What do what is the issue with Sunny right now? Signs. He loves science any more than two in a historic district. He's been tall. We've written him
letters. We I have no problem with that. I have no problem with that. Pick two nice ones, honey. And he can take two and he can change him up every month if he wants or every week too. If he's been notified in writing for years,
I'd be more than And we don't have fines in place yet. We're working on the fines. better to talk to him before we start sliding that violation and we heal to his better senses. Well, I think that the building inspector was very good about that.
Oh, he was really good. Yeah, I mean he he was really nice. He sent a letter and then he went and talked to us personally. I mean, he could have been down. And this is this is yesterday afternoon. Yeah. And he took the signs down for a minute. Like literally a minute. A hot
minute. And now he's back to his just can't help himself. So, I'm sorry. Which signs? Who who is putting up the signs if I might ask? No, the red in West Townsen at the four corners.
Yeah. Here. So, there's Is it a liquor store? No, it's like a deli. Bacon, beer. They might have beer. Yeah. Beer. No cigarettes. It's just a It's just the basic small town store there. It's called the the brick store.
Oh, near Mason Road, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Okay. That building across the street. Okay. I haven't noticed them lately, but I've seen some pretty rude signs hung up. Yeah, that's it. You got it. Okay. I go way back with that when my
grandmother was the post. There you go. Wow. Anime was in there when they had was your grandmother. Yes, ma'am. Oh, I didn't know that. I remember her the first day I came to towns and Betty Teddy was my my you know when I
was always girlfriend when I was hanging on to that kind she was my kindergarten still talking about it she was so nice to me she was a wonderful person but
yeah my uncle Carl was a professor he got to do with anime he's just going back in time you know yeah goes I mean, we spent summers in Mitten Pond and Nake growing up. The difference between them.
Yeah. But my parents were more than glad to send me to Nan Pucket for the summer with my uncle and my cousins instead of me doing, you know, which was good for me. My cousins were great mentors. So now do you have another question
about the district or the I have all the town manuals already 1900 all you have we have ex that we listen to correct which and I don't I don't recall what base they are we'll let you know
a bunch of other goodies stashed away for what manuals the town annual and they have them here too but it's good that that I was going to say if you didn't have them. I was going to bring them in for you. Oh, that would have been nice for that. Right. But I'm not going to I'm going to
keep them. I would. All right. Do we have any other business? Maria, do you have any other questions or any questions at all? Okay. Next. Any suggestions for next month's meeting. Let's get up to speed. What
if any infractions are postcard? We were going to send last year. We have a postcard update postcard. I love that. We want everyone in the district to get a postcard so that they know they're in the district so when they do any work exterior work they will
know that they have to come to us first before they go to the building inspect. And are we working on when a building permit is being given from the building inspector that's properly marked that it is in the historic district. So, in
other words, it's flagged by the building inspector from Janet and the people know supposed to be. It's it has to be obviously because we learn. Let me just say this. I don't want to discuss it today, but I just want to give you a little answer
because you asked the question. We've never had this problem before. We've been flagged for decades. Yeah. Janet has given us every single application that has come through her unfortunate Eric Chartan. Who was the
other one? Dana Bart. We never had this problem. Yeah. But we are going to talk about next and before because we did run into that. Yeah. Oh. Um before the building inspector issues his permit, they have
to come before us. Correct. And it's up to us whether or not We say, "Yeah, go ahead and get it, bro." Just like kind as what you just said is, and I did not I was under I wasn't under that impression, but what
you just said, I learned and it's like, "All right, let me ask you one question. How do how does conservation in the the timeline of of you want to build in an area that's got conservation issues? How when do you get involved in the
conservation? At the beginning before they give a building permit. Correct. Well, it's got to go through a whole review. Is it in the 35 foot no disturb the 100 foot the 200t riverfront? There's all but that's before the building permit is issued. Oh, absolutely.
How do you find out about that? Do the people come to you? The agent will go through the house, the documentation of the house and have it on the map. If there is there wetlands, what do you conservation agent? Correct. Correct.
So, how do agent know that he's that there's an applicant that wants to build in a area? It'll it it'll show on the maps that we have. If it's in a wetland area, is there a brick running through there? Is he in the 100 foot, 200, 30?
So, Janet Janet grabs that first and Janet. No, Kobe. I'll call the co he's the agent. So people know that they have wetlands and they go to conservation first before they go any place else. Absolutely. Don't waste your time trying
to do something. People know they're in the historic district. See that's why historic Janet first um was the Eric Charger would put into place in their system there's a flag of some sort. I don't know what it looks like. Red flag, red mark,
something. And always it would come up on the address on the address. And so Janet would tell the client, "Oops, you've got to fill out this application." And then she would put it in the HTC box and whoever was chair of HTC would get it out of the box and then we would schedule a
meeting. But but but that hasn't been happening. But we're going to talk about that next time. This almost sounds like if anybody were to buy a house in West Towns and South that was in the historical district, it should be on their doc on their it is
on all of their documentation like knowing where your septic system knowing that you're in the historical. It should be on the deed. On the deed, it's not on the deed. That won't be on the date, but there should be some degree of notation that this is what you are in. No different than we tell people you are
in a wetland area. you were in the 200 100 etc. So they made it they build there's an overview I assume right? Yeah there there absolutely is and there is that information now why it's not getting to us like it used to
know why we'll figure it out that's not that difficult I would assume. Okay. Any other questions? That's a good question though or later? No. Do you have any comments? Maria, I think things have gone very good. Thank you. All right. I have a motion to
adjourn until September 11th. We'll make a motion at or go at 3:52 p.m. to adjourn meeting. Any discussion on that motion to adjourn? I'll second.
And can I have a vote? Louis would be yes. James, yes. James, yes. Maria Milin, yes. Okay, perfect. Unanimous.