Okay, I'm going to call the meeting to order. Um, I brought treats from Vice. Oh, nice. Thank you. So, I'd like to call the meeting to order at 3:00 on Thursday, June 12th. Can I please have a roll callus?
Thank you. You Thank you. Um, we can't review the minutes because I don't have them with me. So, that's I know, but I'm down there with that. I don't have any additions or deletions. So, we can go right into it. And before
we go into it, I have to tell you I have to leave by 3:30. I have another appointment. So, I have to Okay. And Claire, you're going to um I can take it over. Take it over. All right. I hear you. I don't think Susan said nothing.
How was that? How was that? Good. Yeah. So, the first thing I want to do is this. Well, the first thing I want to do is get signatures on Oh, thank you. on the um decision we made last week
to approve the farmhouse on the bar. You just have to sign your name and say what you said. Yes or no. I have to attach this to that because that's the stand. This is
by Oh. Are we at five? Where are we? No, we're just at um We're only at Yeah, we're at five. But I I have to have you sign this first because I didn't get it signed last
week. Can you move that to your moment? We're find. Yeah, you were first. I heard you. Okay. That was your name. You didn't have Oh, I know what you said. Okay. Okay. Okay.
I have other things on my mind. I see. I know he's wedding coming up. So amazing. Oh, nice. You have dress. I'm alive. I finally got the um Okay. So, but Susan was here for the
boat. So, she'll have to get I'll go I'll go to her house. And then the second thing we have Well, we're wait. Okay. So, volunteers.
The volunteers we have three three. However, what's going on in historic district commission is not good for the town right now. I think we have to be very very very
careful in vetting the people the new people that that want to come because our mission is to keep the preservation of the architect of the buildings. It's not to make the building look good. It's
to make the building preserved. Keep it preserved. And I think that for the most part, we're not all on the same page completely on what preservation is. The preservation historically is not making the building look good. It's preserving what its ar
individual architectural features are. By the way, so the state mandates that the board is a seven member board and they identify what how it should be comprised. I gave you in the handout I have the how
it's supposed to look. So when we vet these people these three people we have to take into consideration that if you go to page one it starts at the um lower one two three four five
sentences up from the bottom. So what page are you on? The first page of of glory of this article of the article. It says part one title five administration of the government. Okay. Cities and towns. So it it tells you
this is the charter. This is the our charter and the state. They're identical. So they want the board to comprise of people who have knowledge about historic preservation.
And so they want what do they want? You said you said line five. Yeah. Start two. One member one member's got to be from the board of realtors. So we've got you worry, right? Yeah. But I'm not
seeing where you are. my Oh, one, two, three. Oh, from the bottom. From the bottom. I went from the top. Oh, yeah. I was gonna do that, but there were too many sentences. Let's start at the bottom of that. All right. Remember from the uh from two nominees of the
board, right? So, we have a board of real person. So, we we can look for another one, but we don't need another one. Okay. Let's see. All right. I have to go up another one. One, and this is the tricky one, everybody. one member from two nominees from the chapter of
American Institute of Architects. Have you ever had one? Yes, we had Ken Deranian and there was Off you went. So, I don't think he'll come back. No, no, and I think we need one desperately. He
was so instrumental in keeping us showing us insights that weren't seen. Yeah. Not only to the architectural history but also to new products that create that same look. Remember when we had So when the position was posted
was it posted with the necessary components? I don't know. I didn't post it. It was posted before I came. Before I came. It's been posted for like two years. Oh, because there are not seven members. Right. I mean, I can modify the posting,
but I just want us to be aware of what we're looking at when these people come in, right? Not just to accept anybody. At this point, I don't think we can clear and and one of the reasons is I was looking at that um video from our
public health and I was not happy with the way that went. master. I I didn't like the idea that the work number one had begun before we even knew about it. I I just didn't like that. Okay. Well, we already talked
about how that's water over the dam. No, it's not. Yes, it is. I wasn't here and I looked at that video and I was disgusted and I was mainly disgusted by your behavior. you getting out of leaving the meeting going. I went to get information
from the assessor's office which ended up being on the phone with Gary Shepherd who was the applicant of the application that we would that they would discuss. What was wrong with that? That is unethical. And how is that unethical?
You're calling me unethical. How is that unethical that I got information to bring back to the board? That was not your place to do so. Why not? I'm a member of this board. Why is it not my place to do that and get information for us rather than sit
around the table hashing over stuff? No. I came back to tell you. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. Mary J had to ask, "Are you talking to Gary?" And you said yes. So,
I got information to bring back to the board. Why else would I You got hostile information to bring back to the board. If he doesn't like He said, if he doesn't like it, you he'll quit. Just quit.
How is that hostile? He feels like he's being harassed. Yeah, he does. He feels like he's being harassed because we're not doing exactly what he wants. He was wrong. He should have come to us prior to the start of the work.
Let me finish. You're right. You are 100% right. So why did you call him on the phone and ask? I wanted the information. All right. So here's the thing. We're either a board that wants to preserve
history in this town or we're not. And we have to make that decision because right now we're not. And particularly with that applicant because here's something 100 years old West Townsen Woman's seminary demolished original
fire station demolished. Why? To put up a fire station, not historical. Number two, in the town of Towns and in the southern we have But that went to the town that went to town. before the board first. It had to come before the board.
And I'm not saying this board. I'm saying the history of the boards is not maintaining the mission of the historic district. And if that's okay with the town or the board that we don't, you know, we've done years ago. Let her finish. Okay. What I'm saying is if
we're not going to adhere to keeping the architectural history of our town, we don't need this border. That's my point. Okay. But we're talking about years and years that I've not been on the board. I wasn't on the board.
Terry, no. But we're talking about the board. Were you on board? I was on that board. That's right. Did you vote to demolish the woman? No, I didn't. Demolish. So, but the town did. No, they didn't. They had to. No, they didn't.
That didn't just get done. No, it's a town property. It's a town property. The seminary wasn't. No, the seminary was not It was historic district. That's my point. Seminary being a Legion Hall. Yes. What was the Legion Hall? That's all I didn't know it was se Well, guess
what? It was a woman seminary that trained women for suffragette. It was a huge historical marker for this town. Gone. As is the Fezant House. Gone. As is now Ben Maran's shop. If you didn't grow up here, it's not a big deal. But
it's gone. They're gone. The trestle is now totally bastardized with rails. The trestle is for a train, not pedestrians. So, it shouldn't have handrails. Trains don't need handrails. So, we are allowing certain factions in this town to do whatever they want. And we're not
being strict enough. And now they're just doing whatever they want. I mean, had I not called Bob Gide, we wouldn't have even had an application. Okay. So, we have since now I'm new. No. Okay. And we have since rehashed this a number of
times, the the same verbiage. And now we're looking to go forward, right? And have an agreement to preserve what we have. Correct. That's where I'm standing cuz those are the question. I agree with that. The question is, do we want to do
it? And it's not going to be easy. It's going to be hard to say no to people that you like that run the show. It's going to be hard to say no. That's why Ken's not here. Let's be honest. That's why Ken left. So, we either have to buck
up and do the job or we just don't have this because it's a big waste of time. I mean, we're losing the harbor. You got to know the harbor is not what it was. I mean, the rails. Mhm. Those rails need to come down. Well, I'm working on that.
That's next. Okay, bring next. Okay. But um I I just want everybody to be on the same page and more importantly bringing new people in. I want them to understand that this is just not a social club. That we have to be serious about it. We have to learn. We have to I don't think
anything in town hall is a social club. It's all about doing things for the community. I get Yes. I believe that. Right. So, I just want to make sure that going forward, we pick the right people
and it's not like we're trying to say no, you can't be on our committee. It's that do you have the right qualifications and are you equipped in terms of the knowledge of history in the town and the architect? Those are very important things. Now,
you didn't get that opportunity because you were put on as a realtor. As a realtor, right? I think it's went on as a person of who was interested. Well, you could be two people can be nominated by the historical society. One person has to be
an architect. Did you interview? Yeah. For the job. Yeah, I did. I did. I just talked to Alisa Claire and Alisa. I did. She was president. She was a champ. Alisa's struggles with ch. Yeah. Yeah. And I I was I was very
vetted. So you put in a volunteer form. I did. No. Yeah. And then we're vetted. But we got to redo this. I think we didn't realize I was being vetted because I just had a conversation with it. But yeah. No, I'm not saying it's got to be real. I know. No. I'm just saying we got to get So I'm looking at
these. Okay. We've got Jamie Well, what do you believe you guys call him? James Dorian. Um he is one of the applicants. a woman named Maria Milikin who lives on Toronto Road. She's an insurance agent. Um, now she says she wants to be either
in the historic district commission or the historical society. So, she knows the two two different deals. Yes, she does know that. So, maybe she knows the difference. Well, I don't know that. Well, maybe we should come in and talk
to her and tell her the difference and let her make the choice. Good idea, T. And then the last one is Jennif Jennifer Jennifer Ravallet. She she lives on Maplewood Drive in Town and she wants
either historic district commission or the um society and and she says she really likes watching the repairs in the harbor and she would like to I think well she's lived her whole life and so she wants to be involved.
I don't I don't know any of them. I mean I know James is on Sun board. Yeah. But I would now he's been around. Um I just don't know what his historic Well, come back up again. Commitment is okay. So
do you want me to move forward in doing a policy as far as the violation policy? The um the what violation policy? Yes. Yes. Yes. I have that on me. Yeah, absolutely. I I I do believe that that's the only way. Well, I don't even know if
that's going to work, but I think it's a start. Well, it's a it's a it's a policy. It's not a bylaw, but you have to start someplace, right? And and I don't know. I think one of the things we should include in the policy is where in
their work do they get about us. Now guys supposed to tell them to come here first if they're in the historic site at historic commission district but if he doesn't know about it he can't tell them
obviously if they start work like this situation and I had another issue with Greg Sheper he started his roof before he did so I had to send him up there you know I I guess I just have to drive around town and see who's doing what. Now, I
did get a notice from um Commissioner Garside telling me that Patton's garage up in Towns and they just burned. They want to put in two temporary mobile homes. I'm thinking historical. Yes.
Now, the problem we're going to have with that is we're really going to have to bone up and I'm going to have to get the videos because I don't know if they want to demolish and rebuild or if they want to historically restore. Well, we but we don't have an application yet, so we don't have to worry about it. But we
do know it's coming up, so we should probably bone up on what the demolishing rules are. And they are in the district because they knew they were in the district. Oh, they know they're in and and I think these things are going to come up more and more, not with
fires, but with newer people moving in and wanting to change the house. Well, they can do whatever they want inside. We don't care. We don't care about that. but outside. But remember we had Maywong. You weren't here with Mayw Wong. She was a investor from Welssley somewhere and she came in and stripped a
farmhouse was going to about to take the barn down. Was that on Main Street in Wisconsin? Yes, I heard about it. And so we had a wonderful wonderful wonderful um building commissioner then Erin Shan.
He was very helpful. Not Erin. What was your name? Yeah, I think downstairs and he worked with us right along and she was just really a tough character because she said, "Oh, yeah, I'll do it. I understand." And then she
just didn't. And he was there almost daily. We never find her because we couldn't. But we stayed on her case and he stayed and he wouldn't give her a permit. Main Street 22 where the vet veterinarian is 2 years. Oh, I don't
know. And she just did whatever she wanted. Dad in that story not but I'm just saying saying and you brought that up a couple times like when I said this you said people she was never fined. Yeah. See this is the thing
kind of a two stories there. Yeah. That's a double double. I don't know anything about it. Word's house there. Oh the one that Warden changed. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, downstairs.
Yeah, she had her her clinic. Well, see, now that's another thing. I mean, if we want the economic growth, how about keeping Well, we Well, I'm not planning at that time. And I think you were too. And we all good to bring new business in. What happened is she was going to
have the apartment upstairs and then, you know, the clinic down. There was no going to be any boarding. But she um at the last minute they came in and said, "We can't do it." She'd spent thousands of dollars at this point. They said, "Oh, you need this particular something
in here. We're not going to give you one." So, so that's when she marched across the street. Oh. Went down to walking in the different Yeah. incentive. Yeah. Well, I mean,
yeah. And this job is not easy when you have to do those kind saying no. Now we've had some great people like Jake Remember Jake? He came in and he had violated everything and he just told me what he had to do and he did it within one minute. Yep. It was great.
And Bill Bill. Yeah. He was good too. Really good. Really good. We got to talk to him about those signs to say what we need. He puts those windb blower signs on the spa. Oh, on the spa. You know that spa building. He made the sele Yeah. spa and the woman.
Yeah, that's what he did. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what she does, but I don't know if she has Riky or what, but it's that type of business. I didn't know that. Yeah, that's exactly. And I think she sells We could probably all use that. She sells candles. Candles.
Colin said she sold candles. She wanted to see how she makes her candy. She makes them there. Oh, she makes them there, too. Yeah. Well, anyway, that's kind of cool. But she doesn't put those flyer signs up. They're gross. So, so we have to look. We really have to be on the lookout for
an architect. Mhm. And it doesn't have to be a person who lives in town. Can be It doesn't No, it doesn't. Can be a person. You can serve on a committee from another jurisdiction. So I I I have no idea who Do we have any architects in
town? Well, we do. We got surveyors. We have civil civil engineers. Yeah, the architects. Well, what's huh? Oh, he's an engineer. Oh, he's an
engineer. I'm just curious. I don't know. Is there any way we can tell what people do for the job? Well, I told her probably in the well, we had yellow pages. We could look, but you can probably look on Google or something.
But also, if you don't get somebody in that position for that particular spot, after 60 days, you can appoint anybody, right? And we know that, but we need I think we need an architect. I mean, Ken was just so good about the material. Yeah. remember
how he helped us with the roof on the bank and he he knows his materials and he knew the windows the windows the windows sick wardens. Oh, thank God. Yeah. To keep it all in perspective,
right? So that's might know that he does. I'm thinking of how he answers that planning board. Aby's also on the cemetery commission now too. Oh, you know, always on a lot of stuff. What is that? Is that a conflict? No.
Busy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. So, we've got to look for We have our realtor. We have our architect. We have Sue and you, Claire, who lived in the district. So, and that's all you need is two,
right? a realtor, the architect, two historic district people, two people nominated by the historical society. So that Okay. But they do not have to be
from the board. It could be any correct. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't have to be a board member. No, no, no. It could be any member of the society member. Correct. To pull that. And who are the duplicates on this board that are in the society? Clear's the only Oh, no. Well, clear
your directors. I'm the site administrator. So, three and Sue is a member, right? You're a member. You don't pay your dues this year, but you're a member. I'm a member. Oh, I might have.
Yeah. Well, no. Back in um Did I get a bill I didn't pay? No, no, no. I just No. I just do membership and I see your name every now and then. I like, "Oh, bless him." When I'm looking in the S's back in our last anniversary, what I can't remember what date that was, um,
one of my directors decided that it would be a very goodwill gesture that every citizen of Talson be given a membership. So, that may be how you when you gave that stone. What stone? I
mean, I donate everywhere. No, but you gave a stone. Didn't you give a wheel stone of some sort? Yes. Oh, um I did and I I made a garden around it. Oh, that one.
I'm from a historic building, right? Oh, it's our herb guide now. Yeah, I enjoyed the Well, there you go. Maybe that's from How do you know that? That's been there since I've been in I found I found an article. Oh, I copied it and I I'm meaning to give it to you and I will
find it. Thank you. Yeah. I don't remember everything from 50 years of whatever. So anyway, that's what we got to look for. Now, do you think that I should repost with these requirements?
You think you or should I just retake these three and talk to them first? Yeah, I would talk to them. I mean, you that were begging for volunteers if you haven't noticed. I know. So this one was fun. Well, could we call them all in
together? We could say the next meeting at the next meeting. Come to the next meeting. Explain the difference between the two societies immediately and let them decide what they really want to do because you might find one that says, "No, the other one I want to be on or
the one I'm going to be on." So I think if we if we handle it that way, all three would have they could say we're all together and every you know I would do that. All right. And then we'll see what we'll go from there. So So I I'll call everybody. I'll make it my job to call everybody and invite them to our
next meeting which is which will be in July. July July. Well, it'll be the second Thursday. Yes. The fourth is on a Friday. So it would be the 10th. How do you know that?
Because I've already been the 10th. It is. Is there any other time or you going to cook? I'm going on the 4th. So on the 10th at 3:00. 3:00 and we'll have our volunteer people. Yeah, that'd be good.
Now, before I leave, cuz I do have to very I'm very sad about this, but I'm sorry to do it to you, but duty calls, but before I leave, Katie, we we're um we are appealing the building commissioner's determination
that the trestle is not in the district. So, we need $300 to give to Beth Jackson to appeal. Okay. Beth thinks we're going to get it back. Possibly. We could possibly get it back if the zoning board says okay. But Katie wants us all to
sign that we agree to do this before she cuts the check. She just wouldn't take me. Well, no. I think that's very diligent. So, it's $300 by the way. Oh, you have to sign that. So, did it come out of um comes out of that money that
they gave us last year in the next two weeks? Okay. So we could go out to dead on get rid of it. But but we also if on this appeal we're going to have to pay the GRE Herald and I don't have the figures for that yet. Oh because it has
to be published. Published. Yeah. I wasn't a part of the decision. Oh no. You abstain. That's right. You did you say? You weren't here. I wasn't here when it was done either. You weren't here? No, she wasn't. I No. when it was approved
it well or not approved whatever no it wasn't approved but never ever until we voted to appeal it was never Bob Garside sent us a determination that started it I abstained
there was nothing none of us voted yeah we voted to appeal to right to appeal but I didn't know about the money you must have a date or the whatever I when they're filing because it never came before us. Yeah. So, you wouldn't have
I didn't even know I I think what happens when it's a town entity I think it is forgiven. Well, I asked for a waiver, but the publishing will be No, I think I have to pay for the
publishing. You saved them? $300. I have to get the number on the sh. Well, we've got a whole thousand there. Don't Well, well, we have the next two weeks. Julia, remember she had miscellaneous? Yeah, but Well, we mine
is $24. Is that what it was? Yeah. So, we have we have the funds. It's just Yeah, it's like paying the town to pay the town. Yeah. Become bad. Yeah. All right. Thank you everybody. Do you mind if I excuse myself? Everyone have a
very great time. Thank you. Wish you were well. I don't know. What else do we have to do? Um, please work at the bottom. Right. Number you've got the signatures for appeal and review. So,
did did you want to work on the um B structure? Yeah, that number seven. I got to Yeah, number seven. You want to work on the E structure implementation process? Okay. Not for session should be policy. Should
be policy. Policy. Policy. Well, so session. Oh, did I write your session? I was thinking you showed me today. Little So, um, the ghost of something Beth is on vacation this week. Beth's back on
23rd. She could give us a template of the policy because we give the free structure all the all the fees were redone and put in one of planning. So, I'm gonna think she probably
Yes, she has all kinds of stuff. Plus, I'm looking for some comparison of what the state law allows. And I I don't like reinventing the wheel. If the wheel is there and I'll fly to
uh the historic commission, right? That's a few words. And do you want to go take two? So, um they're very honeybased. Oh, yeah. Reese just had the best food. The orange one.
Take one of each. So, you can try them. Something. Yeah. Might not try that. There's a number for one of each of you. They look new. Yeah, they all are. They're just It's just the best place
for All right, everyone. Enjoy the weekend. You too very much. Appreciate your help. I know. I know. I would do something um in reference to the architect.
Just post something next to the posting that you're looking for an architect in particular. Oh, not on the documents. No, because the documents been posted a while like a 10day posting again. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. All right. Think
of that Google architects in our area. I can only think of one. And I don't know if you'd be interested or not impressed. You're only talking about Yeah, I don't know if that'll be I mean I haven't I've lost contact with the guy you years ago.
No. Very nice. Yeah. Yes. Right. Well, thanks. Tell me if you need anything. Okay. But not today. Okay. All right. Bye. Maybe Sunday. Um,
yeah. I never thought of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you call him. All right. Yeah. He still was inful. He's in town. In Gruntton. Oh, he's in Graten. Oh, down the lake. Down the lake. Lake. Yeah. And she
It's a beautiful island. Yeah. See No, I used to work I used to work with Wendy years ago. Yeah. Well, I was going to ask you a question about it, but that's not the end of that. Um, okay. So, we've uh and I've got a
wedding coming up for the next few weeks, so I I'm going to be visiting then I'll really jump on this. Okay. So, we're finished with the uh implementation policy, I think. So, you're going to see Beth about it? Mhm. Yeah. And just put it to the next
meeting. I think it should probably be on the agenda until we have it done. Okay. So that we address it. Yeah. Okay. Signature for fees appeal of building permission. Oh, we've already done that. Yeah. I think we just
need to adjourn. I make a motion that we journ at 3:30. Nothing else on No, unless you have something on you something else. No. So, um I'll second it. Okay. All those
in favor? I'm I'm by Okay, the meeting is