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I'm going to call the meeting to order at 31. May I please have a roller here. >> James present present. >> Mary here.

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Father's here. The first thing on our agenda is the minutes which I don't have. Again, I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry. So, I would like to move these to our next meeting. If I could have a motion

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and tell the artist. >> So, move. Thank you. >> Thank you. Please have a discussion. >> Okay. >> No discussion. Do you want to talk about how we >> miss? Okay. Um can we have a roll call >> Maria?

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Sorry. >> Yeah. >> So that's going to go to the August meeting. What is the date again? >> It's two months worth of minutes. >> Yeah, it will. No, be three. It will actually be four because it'll be the minutes from 2024.

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>> Correct. >> Which will public hearing? >> My question was our next meeting August what? >> Oh, it's a second. >> Yeah. 13th. >> August 13th. >> August 13th. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I won't be here. >> Can I ask a question?

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Have you historically had a secretary or a clerk? >> I did. Yeah, Claire is the clerk. >> Oh, but >> yeah, not >> No, no. I just meant a member who takes united when I first came on. >> There's always a clerk involved. We have

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a chair, vice chair, clerk. >> We have We have a clerk. We have a chairman and a clerk. Jane, >> you just said we we don't have a vice chair. >> No. Then why does it say by

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>> Sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry. We do. I'm sorry. >> Well, you never know. >> Yeah, we have >> There must be minutes somewhere that says we took a vote. >> So, we'll find out when we when we read. >> Okay. >> Um, my point was just to take something

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off of your plate. >> I would love that. Someone should be taking notes at meetings. >> Um, I'll talk to Claire and see if she wants to >> Oh, and I'm not suggesting myself. It's a It's a big job, I think, to take minutes. So, I can't take that on. I'm

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just suggesting I don't know that the chair needs to be doing it. >> Well, I shouldn't be doing it, but if no one else is doing it, I have to do it. So, >> yeah, that's the way that goes. the third, >> but maybe another member would be willing.

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>> All right. Well, let's not worry about that. Let's get this let's get to work. >> So, the first thing we're going to do is discuss the application for a certificate of appropriateness for a new sign at 252 Main Street. Now, we're not

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having a public hearing on this because the sign already exists. So, all she's asking for is to change her sign and she has made a picture of it and um it's great.

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>> It it looks great and it's a very nice sign, but >> you can't have a logo on historic in historic sign. >> But you got a flower. >> Yes. >> And if you notice what you can't see,

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that's why the old one was so plain. Exactly. And she put her little, if you notice, the old one has a little daisy as the dot on her eye. >> I can't see it. >> I don't think anybody could tell. >> Yeah. >> Oh. >> So, the old sign doing the back had a

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flower. >> It did not have a bow. The old sign >> just a dot on the eye. >> She used a decorative dot in the shape of a flower on the old sign. That was acceptable because it was not a logo. You say logo, but that's just a picture

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of a flower. I wonder what the difference is. >> Um, you can't have any. >> You can only have words. You can only have words. No pictures. Only words. >> Oh, I know. >> People can't read the words, but they

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can understand what a flower is. >> I I don't see the flowers being a logo. >> I don't either. It's a steward florist and there's a flower but it have pictures. We can only have words. So let's listen. It's only words. Now, if

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she can put the rose on the eye, >> she can't. >> Don't you have to move? >> Yeah. Down and >> it's just >> Could you read the specific article that space something that a flower would not

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be able to grow the edge? >> You're right. >> I don't have that with me. >> I do. What assumption is it? >> It's stage 31. signage. >> If your local historic district includes commercial buildings, you will likely

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see frequent applications for signage. Even in residential district, there may be some applications for signage depending on what is allowed by zoning in your community. There are many issues to consider. Such location should obscure

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the style, location, lighting, and material should reflect traditional patterns of signage found in the district. No, no. Is that the um But that's not the act, right? >> No. >> Okay. Let me see. >> But that doesn't from what she has read

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does not say anything. That's >> right. >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. >> I am sorry I didn't bring it. >> And you know what we'll do? We will table this until next meeting and then I will bring it. Okay. Do I have a motion

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to table it? I'll make a motion >> probably but um I don't have the I don't have the stuff with me and in the do you want to push a little bit because you did invite the priest. >> Oh, you mean like maybe wait a little

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bit half hours. >> Okay. Okay. That's a good idea. Accommodation. >> So we'll table that for a minute. So let's now this is so our second discussion only and this is going to be

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on St. John's Church for the doors. I don't have an application yet unless did you get I can't access that email. I they guardian has not contacted me with credentials to access the HTC email.

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>> Do you have anything to show us? We sent it other times. >> Yeah, but I don't get that email in. >> Thank you. I just want to Oh, wait. >> So, now we have an official application.

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We talking about the church that's open now. You're not talking about the old St. John's Church. You're talking about the new one. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. So, >> the new church or the new house? >> The church. >> Oh, there's going to be a new church.

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>> Oh, a new door. A new door. Thank you. >> So, this application is to replace the six. >> Thank you. >> The six external doors to St. John's Church building. Four in the front which face Brooklyn Street >> and Highland Street

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>> and Highland Street. And two on each side, I believe, on the parking lot. >> Well, one on each side >> of the parking lot. So, The existing doors are damaged with hardware that is easily compromised where the parish is unable to secure the building. Oh, so

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thank you. Attach a new design in the doors. The exteriors will be painted. Once installed, the doors and hardware will be integrated with the parish electronic. So, I have no idea what they look like. They

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look like this now. Okay. So, they want two. Oh, >> I think this one that maybe >> Yeah, this this one. >> Yes, this. >> Yes, because everyone can see this one. >> Yeah. >> Are they the same?

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>> No, but there's four in the front. I'm not so sure about >> doors in the side. >> So you can the two center doors and then two outer doors. >> So >> Oh, that's why it looks like it looks

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the what the side door looks like. >> Okay. >> All right. >> This is um an expanded view. This is where we have the end cap access. >> This is what the front doors look like. That's what we want to see. This is what

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we want to see. >> The new ones. This is what they exist. The new ones >> that's making a copy of the new doors. >> Okay.

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Yeah, that's >> right there. These are the old >> and that was I mentioned about the suffer. >> Oh, we don't do interior. So, you're good. >> Yeah. >> Uh, can I ask a question? Are these all glass windows?

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>> Uh, yeah. So, where you have >> Oh, the lines are glass. Okay. So in the old front doors you've got glass and the side doors you don't have glass except the that in the door you don't have >> the >> Oh glass now they're all the way down

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glass. >> So these are the new ones >> right? These are the existing >> the two sided. >> So they're half glass now glass and top. Now here goes down further. >> Okay. So this bottom area these are

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glass. These are totally glass, right? >> So on this side, so the on the side it's glass. Glass. Glass. Glass. But here it's just glass on top. Not >> a panel on top. >> Oh, okay. >> But so the ones in the middle pretty much look like the existing doors.

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Correct. >> Well, pretty much. >> Pretty much a >> little bit more window. >> There's panels on the bottom. >> Yeah, panels on the bottom. >> The existing doors are an over six light. The new doors that you're proposing are four light upper with two fixed panels

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at the base of the two center doors and you go in for a full six light right side and left. >> It's real simple. It's a complete deviation of what >> there is in an original stamp >> and it's similar to basic windows,

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>> right? >> Okay. So ultimately we need to make a decision to give them a waiver to say the new door style is acceptable to us because it's minimal deviation and I think it's wonderful. >> Is that the motion you want to make?

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>> Yes ma'am. >> I'll second the motion. >> It's it is the same size same location. >> Very simple. Wonderful. >> And same number of glass panels. Looks like similar. >> Yeah. But just bigger.

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>> Just bigger. Very dark. Okay. Any discussion on that? >> Just more extended down to the base. >> Mhm. >> No. Are they wood or metal or what are they? >> I'm just curious. >> What's the material? Is it wood or metal? >> Uh wood. Um and there's like I think a

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veneer that's used and then it'll be painted >> white. Oh, they'll be painted once. >> Yeah. So, at the moment the plan is to paint it white, but the um but the color doesn't really affect the historic >> No, we don't. So like the the the the

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door that we have inside has bit more of the the wood color, >> but at the moment the plan is do white cuz everything around it is white. So wood color door is probably not going to look so great. >> Any other questions? >> No, I think it looks

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>> okay. So can I have a vote, please? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So we have Yes. So we're going to issue the

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certificate. >> All right. Let's sign it >> and let's have it. Do you need the original application? This is the way our meeting is what

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>> nothing for. It's a >> Yeah, we can do we can do it right. >> It's good. >> Nice. Okay, that was good. All right, so we took care of that. Now, finally, what I'm going to do is I'm going to make copies of this after the meeting and I'm going to sign them with the clerk and

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give them to the building inspector and I'll sign send you one. >> Excellent. >> Okay. So, then >> so we have a building permit that's next. >> And do we just take yes for the HTC review >> review? Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, yeah. It will. All right.

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>> It'll also be checked in the building. You'll know that it's HDC and you'll deal with it appropriately. >> Okay. So, just hold on. Kathy's going to make copies after we sign. You can attach. I didn't know you had the

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permit. have Jack. >> All right. What are they doing? Yeah, Jack. Stamp that in. Then I'll be >> Yeah. [clears throat] You >> want to put a copy in the building? >> Yeah, you can.

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>> What is it? >> Who's the church? >> Oh, they have about the windows for the church or is it about >> We are asking to build a new rectory. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's the prior >> prior. >> Sorry.

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>> So, um >> the next item >> you would not have been here. >> She was. >> What were you here when Father King submitted the plan? Oh, >> yeah. >> Mhm. >> So, you're good with the plans? We're not We're not ready for the plans.

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>> Okay. >> All right. So we while Kathy's making the copies for father, let's go to the next item which is volunteers. I have a new volunteer. As you know, Gerilyn and Claire are up for reappoint.

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Robert Darian wants to be a um alternate. He doesn't want to be committed as a me a full-blown member. He wants to be an alternate on call for anything. >> He didn't say that when he was here though. He said um he said consulting

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consultant no he didn't know he wants to be a consultant >> so >> I was here >> Mr. believe that he was not willing to commit to a full position as a commissioner, but he would be willing to come in as an alternate to work with us

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in the issues of architectural preview. >> That is my understanding. >> Okay. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Is that your understanding? >> Were you here? >> I was here. He sat right next to me. Yeah, I remember. He said he has a lot on his plate. Can't really commit time.

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And it's disappointing because I would love to have >> Well, he or another artist, but if I have recommitted I do too because he's called me several times. So, um >> I know that >> he's he's very committed to working with us, but he doesn't want to be

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>> having to go to regular meetings, >> disposal available to us. we can consult him and when we see something up and coming that's going to be a little testing or something beyond our scope. I'm sure he would say yes. Let me look

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at this. Let me get some footnotes. I'll come to the meeting and help you in any way we can. >> I think so. >> That's the impression I got 100% from Mr. >> So that's why he's not here today because we're not dealing with anything

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architectural. I didn't know about the um church windows, but that's replacement. It's not >> right. >> No. >> So otherwise, they would have asked him to come like when the church comes, I'm going to ask them to come. >> So much.

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>> Thank you. Thank you, Mary. Thank you. >> Bye. He's got the Jack's got the original for his two copies. Madam chair to be able to prepare when father comes back in front of us for the build building.

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>> Were you able to get a copy of the dober report to all of the commissioners? >> The do report? >> Never mind. >> No, I know what the do report is. What's your point? >> Wonder if it is. It has some bearing on

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how we we would move forward. >> We don't deal with that. We do not deal with the we don't deal with the parking. We don't deal with the do. We deal I'm going to make this abundantly clear again everyone. We deal with the architectural features of the exterior of the property >> design.

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>> End of story. We don't care about the situation on the ground. We don't care about the soil. We don't we are excuse me. We do care about certain landscaping and certain situations, but we have nothing to do with parking. Uh when he presented

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>> when you say don't report on what what are you talking about? >> When he presented to us a picture of the original rectory b what their intentions and hopes were

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for it to be was 100% in deviation. >> Not even minimum. >> All right. We're not going to talk about that now. That's off topic. Got nothing to do. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Yeah, we we'll deal with that at the next meeting if you want me to put it on the agenda. So,

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you want to talk about the DOA report? >> I'm asking if all the commissioners had a copy of it so they can enlighten themselves to the verge of it. So, if it does relate to how the decisioning on

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the building is to be, it does have bits and pieces of bearing upon it. >> Absolutely no. It does not. It has absolutely no bearing whatsoever. >> What is the Dober report? >> The DOA report is an exception that certain churches and educational

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buildings are allowed in the state of Massachusetts in order to avoid some of the stringent requirements that zoning puts on. For example, parking is the biggest one of all. >> And we are not that we only care about

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the building. We have to focus here building only. If they don't have the parking, that's not us. That's conservation. That's, you know, building. That's whoever. We just want to know how the building looks. Like when you have brought up uh Tiffany

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moving her house, we don't care how she moved. She could put it way back. We don't care. We care how it looks. The architectural facade is what is the best way to put it. We don't care about those. Let me

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circle back around so you're understanding my point. What I saw and I've known all my life as the what the rectory looked like opposed to what was presented to us on this board was not in any way, shape or form

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even close to what the original rectory looked like, >> right? We all know that, right? >> Way off topic. >> All right, this is off topic. Excuse me. Well, we are out of >> Yeah. Well, we're going to Yeah. Save

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it. Save it for next time. >> So, so in other words, we'll be able to go through and discuss this. >> Of course, we will. [clears throat] When and if >> you're very good. We're good. I'm good. >> When and if he might not come back. Might not. You might want to just keep it a big one. Okay. So, let's go back on

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topic. How about that? Discuss volunteers. So, we have reappoints for Claire. We have reappoints for Jerine. We have Robert who's on the side. I have a new application for a woman named Sidra.

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Oh my god. Cyn No, I'm sorry. Her name is Muana Sacha. What's your first name? Negro Liner. M I G E L A R.

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>> Yeah. She lives in Townsen on 39 South Street. Not in the district. She's a retired veteran. She wants to be on the commission. She's had drafting and architecture experience. That's interesting.

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Um and she's had real estate experience, which we have real. So, I would like to talk to her about her architectural experience. So, if we would be willing to have her meet at our next meeting so we can vet her because

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I'm going to be really Lori, you might want to bring this message to the board of SL. We really want to vet the people before they go to the board of SL. Um, just so we're all on the same page with all the issues.

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Plus, we're supposed to. >> So, >> Mary J, if I could ask a question. When you go forward in vetting, would that mean you would go in to do a background check on them or go into the portal to check their records and such? >> No, no, no, no, no. It simply has to do

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with their position in the commission. >> I'm good. I'm understand. So, >> you don't care about >> I don't care about their background. I don't care if they're, you know, >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um,

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can I have a a motion to uh adjourn? >> Make a motion to >> the meeting. >> Yeah. Meeting. >> I can't the agenda. >> Well, not really because I wanted to deal with this. >> Let's keep going. >> All right. Let's keep going. I know. All

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right. On this. We need a motion to invite this >> applic. So I will contact her >> for August >> for our August meeting. Now, on this topic,

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I got notice from the state that we have two members of the board that are not in compliance. >> Ethics. >> Yes, >> I got my letter. I started yesterday. I didn't finish. >> I got to get it done. >> I was going to finish today, but it'll be done. >> I didn't get a note. Jack knows. I

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respoke both him and Harrison yesterday. >> Got it. Didn't have enough time to finish. I had to get out of here. I got it. There'll be the 30 minutes left. >> Doesn't matter. >> You can ch >> I'm not going to allow you to vote until

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you have finished it because you're not in compliance and I'm putting the board at risk. >> Not a problem. >> Thank you. Just so you know, the other person >> I went to. >> That's right. I went to the seminar. >> The other person is >> But the seminar does not

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>> It doesn't count as your training. You have to go through the online. >> Yeah, I think I did it when I signed up. No, you're good. I I I have I they let us know that. >> Yeah, you're good. You're good. You're good. >> So, it's every two years religious.

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>> Seems like I'm doing it all the >> I know. >> You are doing it every year. >> You are years. >> I think they know. >> You'll know. >> You They'll send you a notice. >> Yeah.

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>> And then it automatically goes here. Well, I think goes to the clerk and the chair and I don't know who else gets state. >> Well, the state gets it first. >> The state gets it first, right? But they cracking down since this new portal thing. >> Yeah. Yeah.

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>> The notice if somebody's not in compliance. Correct. >> Yeah. I actually called. She goes, "Yeah, we have a hit list." And you know, >> we you flashed up, you know, cuz you're and she goes, "You're on multiple, so get down there and get it finished up." >> Yeah. >> I almost had it done yesterday. I would

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have gotten here earlier to do it, but I still got two people working right now and I should be there, but I'm here. >> Okay, that's So, everybody's on board with this August 13th. We're going to meet with Miss >> I'm not going to be here on the 13th.

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>> Where are you going? >> We're going to Maine. >> All right. But we'll still have a Well, Kathy, are you going to be away, too? >> Yeah. >> Are you going to be around? >> Uhhuh. >> James. legal >> August. >> Yeah. 13 years. >> It's my birthday month. I'm going to be

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going to another country for a while. >> Oh, sorry. >> It's a nice time to leave, isn't it? >> 1 2 3 4. >> So, okay, that's good. All right. Uh

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three 3:00. >> Three. Yes, we're going to do three. >> Yeah, we had a seven and uh not everybody showed up. I had a point. So you heard and Susan? >> Yep. >> You heard what? >> She's still a member. >> Susan [clears throat] Griffin.

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>> Yeah, but she's not compliance. >> She's not compliant. No. >> Oh, the ethics. >> Yeah. >> She's on a lot of boards. >> Mhm. [laughter] >> I mean, I I This is not hard to do. >> No, it's it's really just telling the

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children. >> Well, yeah. And it's a pain in the neck, but you have to do it. Yeah. >> So, >> yeah, the letter pretty much spells it. >> She must She knows she knows it. >> It's not like Why are you smiling over

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there, boy? Like that just I'm just >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. >> All right. So, got that out of the way. We have to just move on to >> smile. Can I have a question? So the two your two memberships when they get

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renewed or don't or whatever happen does um will we then decide on the clerk position? >> Sure we got it. Okay. >> Yep. So the next item is something that

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I have talked to with Robert Doran Dorian um and some other people not even on the committee but other people. >> Oh yeah. >> And I I'm very

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I'm kind of I'd like to really do this. This is a reach out to the community partly because I'm frustrated because people don't know the difference between the historical society and the historic district which are two completely

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different entities 100%. One is municipal and one is private >> society is a private entity >> correct >> funded in and of itself. >> Yeah. So there's no over select manower.

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>> No, no overs at all. >> Completely independent entity. >> Yep. Governed by the attorney general of the state of Massachusetts. >> Correct. [clears throat] Yes. >> The historic district commission >> municipal

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um police or authorized by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. So we are overseen by the historic districts of the Cornwall Massachusetts. >> If you remember, you weren't on the board. You weren't on the board when we went through the big

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district 2 issue like what the boundaries were. We had to go to the state to get a confirmation on so >> to know the increase. >> No, just to confirm because we had people that were not. >> Yes. Yes.

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So I would really like to reach out with a presence to do maybe I don't know monthly, quarterly, once a year, twice a year a workshop starting with the people who are in the district to get them

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aware that one they're in the district to what it means to be in the district and how you have to ask for certain things and you don't have to ask for other things. Um and then hopefully maybe curious people might come who have

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historic homes and we may be able to expand the districts. [clears throat] >> Great idea. >> Love it. Agree. Um and why not put the invitation on the postcard we're supposed to give. >> We could actually need a picture for

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>> we're going to Oh Lord, what were we going to do? We were going to >> No, she said you were going to take pictures. >> Oh, it's not good. I need a real image with high pixels like with a camera.

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>> I need to know what picture to take. >> I can do a camera. >> Just tell me the property and then we can rent it by the property owner and then I can take the picture and then I can get the poster to be >> then we have to I think we should not do

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one house. I think we should >> I think all three I think it should be three districts. Yeah, like one talked about it was from a slide >> center. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And the pictures that you had were no good. >> No, they're not real pictures.

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>> Wasn't right. >> I need I got them from that Eric Dresser when we did the They were from the presentation at the annual town meeting. So that was the slide that I gave.

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>> So there's a picture somewhere. Eric must have a picture. Correct. True. >> Yeah. But he sent me that. That's what he sent me. He sent you a copy of it. >> Yeah. I didn't have I just had a I just had a copy of the slide. >> Yeah. No, actually JPG

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from Dave. >> Dave. I Dave all the time. I can send him a note. >> Oh, absolutely. Ask him. >> Dave, are you here? >> Oh, >> um I don't think the one running. >> Um do you want me to ask? I'll just take

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that slide and I'll forward it and I'll say, "Do you have the JPEG images?" >> Yes, that's excellent. Yes. Yeah. >> Things over and over again to finally come up with that. >> We want >> We're not going to do a house. We're going to do a area.

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>> Are two or three? >> The harbor, the center, and the west town. >> I love it. >> Okay. I'm glad. I love it. You love it. >> He said that twice today. Okay. So, that's wonderful. So, we at our August

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meeting, I believe that we should decide what date we want so that you can put it on the slipper. >> Oh, that's fine. Um, but we're going to have to add it to the agenda that I'll bring a mockup

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postcard. We don't need to have the date necessarily. Um, we can just say November 2nd, whatever. >> Okay. And you can insert it. You can insert the date on sport. So you you'll have a little >> Yeah. >> insertion. >> So yeah. Where would you hold it?

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>> I think it should be here at the town hall, don't you? >> I'm thinking senior center. >> Oh, the senior center's nice. That's very nice. >> I think the acoustics is better at the senior. >> At the senior center. Okay. >> That's where we've held other things. And if you're doing it night,

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>> yes, >> you Well, you have to be out at a certain time, don't you? >> Not for the Oh, I don't know. >> Because how late is the library open? >> 8. >> Okay. So, if you had it at 7:00, it ends at 8 or 6:30 to 8.

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>> Oh, yeah. You don't want >> Now, this doesn't have to be a 4 hour class. This is like an overview, just an acquaintance. And who knows what the questions will be, you know, we won't know. But I would just like to generate some kind of knowledge in town that a we

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exist and b why. >> Yep. >> And what does it have to do with the historic um the sorry historical zero? >> Oh, you brought that up. No, >> because you're really not a person. >> No, you can speak. You can talk at these

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meetings. You just can't vote >> the just to let people know the difference between the historation. I see. And who will facilitate that? >> Well, I think the board should actually be sitting as a board, I think, so that they know who we are. So that if they

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wanted to reach out and ask us questions, they could if they see us on the street. >> We're just going to have to make sure that you post for a meeting if we if you bring everybody in for that. >> I know. Otherwise, that beating. >> Yeah. >> I love it.

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>> Yes. >> So again, you love it. But what I'll need if you're going to include it on the postcard, I'll need the verbiage what you want to. >> Yeah, let me work on that. >> You can email just I think it should be very brief.

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>> Right. >> I like some of the words you're going to veren. >> We're making a very senior center. >> I'll find out what dates they have available. >> All right. >> So, are we going to have uh Robert Darian there? I I'll ask him if he wants

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to be there. >> I think it would be nice if we did invite him. >> I do too because he's architectural and I want to see what this woman the architect. She has architectural experience. She might be able to add >> something to it. >> Mhm. >> Could we get Mr. Theion to dress up like

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an old architect from 18? >> No, we're not doing dressing. No, no, no, no. We do not do that here. That That's historical site does a dress ups. We don't do dress up. >> No. >> That's all right. Okay, cool. So, um I like the idea.

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Everyone likes the idea. I have a motion to initiate. Um no, put it on the agenda. >> Okay, J. Can I have a second to put on a motion? >> Second to put on agenda. Thank you,

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Laura. Any further discussion on the classes? Roll call vote is yes. Laura Sheriff. Yes. >> James James. Yes. >> Right. >> Maria Milling. >> Mary James. Yes. Thank you very much. Now, I guess we have to get back to the

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song, right? What do you want to >> No, cuz I was just thinking if >> Is she open it? You know what? I don't know what the story is. I I I don't know if she's purchased it. She didn't give me any background. I really didn't ask because I didn't think it was my

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business. But >> so the name will stay consistent. >> Steuart. >> Yeah. Same. It's going to be Stewart. >> The only deviation presently that's in front of us is >> the rose. >> You sure it's not like a crosanthemum? You know it's a

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rose. >> It's a rose. >> Crosanthemum. Could it be acceptable? >> No. It's the image down. [laughter] >> Well, forgive me. Not right. I mean, I like So, is there uh I know there's the

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hardship, right, that helps get around the rules, but this wouldn't qualify for the hardship. Is there any other workound >> that you're aware of to let her have a picture? >> Well, we didn't let the one uh in West Townsen do anything different.

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>> No, she wanted >> seemed to have kept her feet to the floor on that. >> Yeah. I think signage is important. If you start letting people slide on signage, God only knows what we're going to get because remember we have the UPS still coming up.

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>> Yeah, we haven't heard from them. >> Well, this this sign is beautiful. >> Mhm. >> No, I know. >> I know. You can't have you can't like it. It just has to be a certain way. >> Right. Right. I know. And that's a hard thing for people to get. >> Well, I mean, even historically, the

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colors, the shape of it, >> she's done an awesome job. No, she truly is >> above and beyond what's there. >> And >> but when you see her windows, you're going to know it's a forest. >> Mhm.

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>> Exactly. And I I I I do think that the whole idea of the historic commission is to keep things very very simple like signage and the integrity so that you can see the historic district rather than be distracted by pictures on the

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sign pictures in a window. Remember the girl the dog born. >> So it's okay that the sign doesn't look square and blah like the other one. >> No, it does not have to look square and blah. She can have her like a sheep pad on sheet.

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>> Yeah. No, it does. >> Just a little scalloping on a little scalloping on the edges. >> Yeah, that's just classy. >> No, it's a really classy sign. And I agree. I mean, I love the sign, but it's just not. I'm trying to be close.

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>> She could shape the sign in a rose. think >> right with problem solving this this way is really historic true >> I can't see the old one actual square

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>> it was a rectangle >> yeah exactly it's the same posture they were making it was mocked up on AI I say >> if you get to see you saw it very well on on the email we got from Mary Jane.

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>> Oh there Oh okay. >> It's just there of what >> of the two signs. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I don't have service. Is there somewhere online that um we could see that ruling? >> Yeah. I'm trying to find >> Oh, that's what you're doing. Okay.

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>> I would just be interested. >> Is there a live too? >> Yeah. know if there's there's an issue. >> No, no, no. I was wondering which connection it is. >> What issue? I don't have an issue. >> Do you know which >> with the Wi-Fi? I turned off my phone.

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>> Which one it is? >> It's a big deal if you don't. >> I do not. >> What call the town hall one? >> I should know that. And I don't know when I'm in here. >> No. That's good. >> I used to know what it was.

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>> Well, now is the sign. >> Oh, I see. Yeah. And I recognize that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> so she's open though, right? She's in business. I have no idea. >> No, she's open enough, but I mean it still says Stewart Florest. So, it's not

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like it says Miller Florist or something like that. And the >> only deviation is it's got upper and lower notching with a rounded base. >> But she there is a flower. She flower there's a little flower there now.

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>> I know. >> So what if she makes her flower smaller? >> Well, that's exactly what's there now, >> right? >> Yeah, but it's it's the dot on the eye. >> So if she had the rose on the dot on the eye, it would be okay. [clears throat]

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>> She's okay with that. Look like a mess. Yeah. >> Yeah. But look at me. >> I think he would just said I'm sorry. >> Like a mess. >> Yeah, that would look good. >> Looks like a mess, but >> no. Let me see.

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>> This is what you got to stop thinking. I don't get it just because that you >> but there's not supposed to be an image even image image is they don't want images and I understand because then signs would get cluttered with all kinds of pictures and people's logos of

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branding and marketing. >> No, but you wouldn't approve that. >> You're not going to approve something that you got to stick by the rules. Otherwise, we're going to have people coming left and right. I mean, we had a problem with the sage. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, I know that one.

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>> Not with the shape she wants. >> Create belie. You sell flowers, you should be able to have a logo of a flower. >> Talk to the state about it. >> If I sell honey, I'm going to want to be on there. If I sell garlic, I'm going to want a garlic clo there. >> Then don't have a business in the

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historic district. >> Can you find that section? I'd love to hear it. >> I know. Me, too. I want to hear it. I'm >> trying to find it. I had it printed. somewhere, but I obviously just see the pink anymore on her sign. The old one. No,

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>> I think that's a very old sign. >> But on the picture on the email, you can >> she she was in business quite a while, I believe. >> Yeah. For some reason, I want to think of >> For some reason, I want to think it's her daughter. It might well be. If the name is staying the same, it must be

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something to do with >> my daughter's. That's not her daughter's name. >> That's Oh, okay. All right. >> She just wanted to keep the Stewart name because people are familiar with the Stewart. >> Maybe she bought the business. She did

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not business. >> Maybe the copyright and the name went with it in some form. >> I grew up in Ashby's historic district. What the owner? >> She grew up in Ash. >> Grew up in Ashley's Historic District.

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>> Oh, I didn't even know they had one. >> Oh, Ash strong group up there with the historic district. They've got a um a pretty tight group up there with that. >> Especially the houses right to the center.

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>> Oh, wait. I might have a picture. Oh yeah, it is pretty. There's no question about it. >> Oh, we already saw it. >> So, you were trying to get the picture of the sign that >> why we can't do it. >> Excuse me.

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>> Why you should be taking classes so everybody knows? >> I could um probably find it on Google if I had internet. sign. >> No, the rule where I got it right here. I just got to go through each one cuz I don't know which one it is.

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>> In other words, the >> will help us guide us through this enemy's wrong. >> Well, if we would just all memorize it. >> Well, we Yeah. I mean, I'm not kidding. I'm not joking. >> Memorize the words of the No,

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>> that's not going to happen. Well, >> I would save the document on my phone and have it correct. >> Oh, I don't care if you memorize it. Just have it. Yeah, I found them all because I memorized it later. >> Some boards, the complexity and the depth of them, you couldn't possibly be

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able to read and it's there's too much conservation. It's a 4 inch thick book. >> Isn't that bad? Marshmallows. Are you looking candy? >> Candy. Hey, >> it's going to take like too long.

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>> What did you mean about our meeting last night was different? um libraries later. >> I just can't >> if it's a PDF, you can search sign and it might come up as a search

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>> just the word sign >> under the historic district laws. >> It actually would pop it up >> if you're in the laws. Just So signature and just say signs.

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>> It should be histo under historic. >> It has to be historic in the >> historic commission sign bylaws whatever rules. It's got to be on the state side. Mhm.

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Maybe if you add historic district sign up otherwise you're just going to I I can't stay here doing this. So basically are we would you prefer we bypass the verbage

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and move through this and just approve or >> no I want it done right the language I'll have to bring it next time I just didn't bring it this time

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I mean, I thought we went through this when we talked to UPS and when we talked to the bridal girl readers in it. >> Yeah, I'd have to do it on my own to know, but I I have it right at home. No one has the um I I don't have it. Why are we doing it again? We've already

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done it twice. >> But why don't we have that portion right in front of us? >> Well, all right. Why don't we Good question. Why doesn't everybody drink with them? And we'll all have it. I'm sorry. I didn't realize I had to do the encyclopedia for the but I'll do it.

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>> I usually have my folder, but I don't today at home. >> Yeah, me too. >> Yes, >> I think that looks like >> Okay. All right. I'm going to send it to all of you. >> All right. So, let we'll table this. So we'll um we couldn't make a decision

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because I didn't have to go to work but the permissions needed and um they looked to August >> and you can send >> August 13th, right? >> Correct. >> Oh yeah, that's her

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>> the verbage regarding the images just to tell her that's where we got. >> Oh okay. >> She Oh. So what she say is she willing to not do that and she didn't respond because I can't have a conversation with her by myself. >> Can you not have a conversation with her

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by yourself as the chair? You're the informing body. >> You didn't respond, but you told her there can't be an image. I'm just curious cuz she might be okay with not having the rose and then the conversation's over at that point, you

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know. So is that what we should do after this discussion? go back to her and say their you close. >> I got a phone call. >> I got call from Bob the building

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inspector. He is looking for some specific paperwork that has not >> What is it? >> Mrs. Church, I'm going to say this as best I can. You just got very current with Marie. That's it. We're out of

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order. You're out of order. >> If he didn't speak to me, you can speak to me English. >> The meeting is adjourned by order of the chair. >> We're going to select on this cuz I'm not going to I'm not good night. Goodbye. >> Go right ahead. >> Good night.

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>> Good night. Okay. Well then, August 13th. Is that what we started? >> Yep. >> Yes, indeed. >> Okay. You know,