Good evening everyone. Thank you for coming. Thank you for coming. Yes. Um I'm going to call the meeting the regular meeting to order at 6:00 on the nose. Please have a roll call.
>> Black coffee present present present. Mary present. >> Okay. Is anyone else reporting other than TCAN? Hearing
nothing. I'm going to assume there isn't. So what we're going to we're going to have to appoint Kathleen Spford. So we have a quorum. 1 2 3 4 5. Yeah, we need five. So
Kathleen is a affiliate. >> Alternate. >> An alternate. And uh we're allowed to appoint the alternate to a voting position if we right if it's short. So do I need a motion for that? >> Yes. Okay.
>> I'll make a motion. >> Second. Any discussion? >> Yeah. Did they all say they weren't coming? >> They're not here. I don't like call and ask them. Um, so can I have a roll call vote, please?
>> Click open. Yes. Yes. Oh, Mary Jane Church. Yes. Kathy, you're in for tonight. And this is only for the for tonight. >> Right.
>> Okay. Um, I would like to open up the public hearing. Could I have a motion to open the public hearing? Motion public hearing >> at seven floor and second. >> Thank you
call. I'll be your own here. >> Okay. >> Right. The first matter of business is Oh, I would like to introduce the people. So, we have Tiffany from 401
Main Street, the burn house. And we have Jake from 79 Maine, who's been here a couple of times. He wants to do some outside work. And >> I'm just here as an observer and supporter. >> Okay. Are you for Jake or Tiffany?
>> Neither one. I got a letter, so I came. >> Oh, and Cadra. >> Oh, thank you so much for showing up. You're for Tiffany just in case. >> Um because you're on a butter to her property. Actually not. >> No, but you can see her her property from your house.
>> No, I can't. >> I mean, I'm like, why did I get this letter? I don't know. >> Are you two doors down? >> No, I'm moors. People I don't know, the old Horton house, then the other people, then the annex and me.
>> Well, good. You know what? I'm glad you came. Well, I need somebody to support me. So, I got >> nice. [clears throat and laughter] >> Okay. >> All right. So, as we all know, Tiffany had her house
brought. She is asking tonight, she's going to be doing her house building, rebuilding, but she wants to put a stone wall in front of her house. And I do all have a little picture if a little I'm stressing the word little on this.
It's obviously in one of these. It should be in the packet. Um cuz she wants to put it on the road. Do you want to come up? Okay. Cuz you do this so well. >> Yeah. >> Um actually not on the hill.
>> No, it's it's just on the road frontage. So you guys have the picture. >> So I have this little island and then also in front of the house. Um I don't have Well, let me go back. Mhm. >> So, obviously you guys know we we're in the demolition process right now and I'm
demoing the existing foundation and the existing foundation is made out of field stone. So, I had this idea to kind of like a little ode to the old house like use the field stone as like a rock wall like a property like you know you see like a property line
>> and just put it in front of the house instead of >> paying a bunch of money for a fence. I'd do a nice little rock wall. I asked um you know the building department um I don't need a permit for it if it's under four feet so I'll keep it small use the
four feet high yeah >> [clears throat] >> um I'll use the the stones from the foundation and just kind of have like the old house kind of on the property still but also kind of act as a fence for like my daughter and it'll work perfectly if you guys approve >> yeah nothing new about it
foundation >> thank I think it's a nice idea. >> Very nice idea. >> The only thing that I would like to you have to be careful of not to get too close to the road because they own >> I don't 100 feet anymore.
>> But not from the middle of the road. >> And there's a sidewalk. >> Okay. >> I don't think there's a sidewalk. >> Yeah, there is a there's a sidewalk but only in front of the house, >> not on the island. >> All right. >> Okay. Oh, is it is the
driveway that >> the driveway is a U and I I think the sidewalk goes after the driveway as well, but the island in the middle doesn't have a sidewalk, but obviously I'd keep it >> the same. Yeah. >> Is it going to go on the island as well? >> Yes. Well, I don't think I'll have enough stones to do the whole road
frontage. So, I'll go as far as I can. So, I think in front of the house and right on the island as well. And then after the driveway, I own that, too, but I don't think I'll have enough. >> Okay. So, it'll be like right in front of the house, the island, and then the rest of the driveway will be open. That's what I'm thinking.
>> Okay. All right. Um, I have a motion that this certificate of appropriateness. >> I'll make a motion that um the wall is approved. >> Appropriate. Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. >> Lip second.
>> Thank you, Luna. Any further discussion on this? >> I think it's a nice idea. very many and I was like I can use that >> you don't have to pay for the stone pay for that stone would be like
I think it's nice that you use those stones >> I thought so too I'm like okay it's like a little owed to the old house too so it's like I'm bring you know it's just still on the property >> good roll call vote >> clear yes >> shipping Yes. Yes.
>> You're doing church. Yes. >> Yes. Hey, congratulations. I I stay because I got it won't be quick. >> Um >> So, let's let's sign this because I'm
going to lose it if we don't because they're not open. >> If you just I'll sign first. >> Oh, I have a special line. I didn't know the answer. That was that was the sh.
Yeah. Okay. Well, that's going around. I would like to open up the discussion for a certificate of appropriateness for 79 Main Street that wants to do some a replacement renovation some work on on this house.
This is in West Housing Harbor in Quest Street. >> The order is hearing >> Oh, his is special to separate. >> Oh, >> is it on the same public notice? >> Yes. Yeah, I put them >> I think they each get their own. Oh, I put them on the same one because
>> I think that's all right. But just um >> so open. All right. Okay. Can I voting reopen? >> Okay. >> All right. I'll make motion regular meeting. >> No, that was to close.
>> No one hearing >> public hearing seven. >> Seven. >> Second. Laura Shiffron. >> Roll call vote. >> Copa. Yes. >> Yes. >> Laura Shiffron. Yes. >> Kevin, yes. >> Okay. So, we're officially closed for
401. So, I would like a motion to open up the application for certificate of appropriateness to 79 Main Street. >> I'll make a motion to appropriate. I'll second it. Okay. >> Okay, guys.
All right. Roll call vote. Yes. Stick is yes. >> She married church. Yes. >> Okay. So, this is one of our returning
customers, Jake Town. >> And um he owns property in Townsen Harbor, excuse me, >> directly across the street from the church. So, Jake, do you want to come up and Sure. >> like please. [laughter]
Um, I have your photos which were very valuable. >> I found that one on the state's website and when I got entered into >> Yeah. into Yeah. >> I was wondering about that because of the door on the side. >> Yeah. We still have the door on the side. >> That door? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. On that side. >> Yep. >> We didn't lock. >> Did you put it in there? >> No. >> They they changed the other side. >> We changed the other side of the the private road. >> Yeah. >> You just can't see right now. a a fence on that side of the house. But so this
is what we were originally going to do, but that's a composite door >> and we kind of wanted to go with the real wood door. But with a wood door, you have to have an overhang. So that's our new plan. >> Oh, okay. >> Cuz you can't just have a wood door and
be exposed to rain and all the elements like that. It'll just rot out and I'll be here in 6 months asking replace it. >> So that's a composite. >> No, no, this will be a composite. [clears throat] He's changing it to wood. Yeah. >> So, we need to overhang.
>> Remember, we're colonial. >> I know how I feel about it. >> Well, the feeling how you feel about this and we'll talk about >> Well, where is she have to have an overhang? >> I think it's appropriate. I think it's nice >> trying to catch both ways like a real
wood door instead of a composite door. I don't want it to rot out. >> I do like the transit window across the top. >> I like it. >> Trying to match like what that church has going on across the street. >> Don't do that. >> Okay, never mind. Never mind. We're not
trying to match. Sorry. >> Listen, I don't know what church is beautiful. >> We look out the window. It looks nice. All the trim looks nice and looks nice. >> Looks nice. It looks nice. Remember this everybody on the board. This is not about how nice it looks and how we like it. This is about period architect,
>> right? >> So let's keep focused on that part of our job. >> That being said, we have a colonial here. This is why I wish we had an architect on this boy. >> Mhm.
And now um I did talk to uh Robert Darian and he said that he would absolutely come anytime we wanted him on on call basis for a consult with a client. Um, I just want to say that because I thought that was very generous
of him to offer his time to do that and I really appreciate it because >> we had a really great architect but he's gone now and my concern this is beautiful. I just want to tell you I'm I'm I'm real happy with the with the
aesthetic beauty. I'm really not happy with the change architecturally because you're a colonial. >> You're probably 1700 house. >> I went back in the records and it was
1840. >> Yeah. >> They actually classified in the records as Reed House. I don't know why it's Reed House. >> She owned it once. She She owned a lot of houses. She owned everything. >> I tried to do all my research before I knew you would.
Um, >> but where is wood? And um, what did you change? Did you >> did you put did you change the windows? >> No, windows are the same. >> The same. Okay.
And the trim around the windows are the same. >> Yep. The only change there is a door sound in the opening >> because it's got I'm looking at you. I'm looking at the one that's >> Should we all have a picture of this?
>> We do. I just brought that other one. That was the one he gave me. >> You brought this. >> I know. Sorry. Sorry. >> I'm going to copy this real quick. You want to Yeah. Could you please me? I think
>> um I This was what you were going to do, right? This is what he was going to do, but he can't do this because of the window. Because of the >> I can do that. Just it's going to be a composite door. >> Oh, you're saying you would put a composite in to >> Yeah.
>> be compliant this way. But if you put the wood in, you need an overhang of some sort. >> I don't understand that. >> Yes, you do. >> No, I don't. My door is wood. >> Okay. Does it open nicely? >> Does it open nicely?
>> Because when Serene hits it and there's no way hits it, >> it's just it >> she lives a couple doors down from you. >> Yeah. The red one on the corner. >> The red corner. >> All right. Uh, think this one to me is very period and
very appropriate in terms of the architect. >> This is what he was originally going to do for. >> Yeah, I know. >> Well, if I put a wood door in and I have no overhang, >> there's no warranty under the door and it's junk. >> So then somebody So then if it if I had
to put that in with no overhang and something happens to it in a month or two, >> I'm not paying for the door. Somebody else is going to be paying for the door because I was still about to put no rags. >> Yeah. No, no, we're not saying we're not >> I'm just trying to meet all the >> I guess. Then the question is, does it have to be this kind of an overhang?
>> Yeah. >> Because now you're putting up you're changing the whole entire >> you're putting up um >> colors. You're taking this to another level. Um,
does everybody see that? >> Yeah. So, >> he's got he's gone into kind of going into a Greek thing going on. >> Yeah. Um, >> but then the top doesn't look Greek.
>> No, just the columns. >> We could do the columns as like the solid, not like with the ridges in them. >> Yeah. I mean the lights on the side >> and this the overhang is one light in the middle. >> She's talking about the windows. >> Oh, okay.
>> The side lights. >> Side lights and over transom. I mean the transom is a night. The transom works. >> I don't know if it's going to help me or not. Doesn't church have the transom windows over the top too? >> I was asking you learning. Yeah. No,
there was a lot of controversy with that and um thank God it's over >> because what I look into is that that's a >> I see what you're trying to do and I like that idea that you're that you're taking the neighborhood into consideration. I think it's very very great. I really do. You got a good eye.
>> The problem is we're the keepers of the integrity. >> I have a question cuz I don't I don't understand what this is. This is the old house, right? >> Yeah. That's from like 1950s. I just pulled that picture up to show that the
windows had grown >> because the last time I came >> to do the windows in the back of my house, >> there was discussion of that my house never had great windows in it. >> So, I make sure I did. >> They did. >> Um, >> what was this door? But what is what is it? Oh, but he wouldn't know because he
wasn't born yet. [laughter] >> Well, it is. That's on an old storm door. >> I think it is, >> but this might be it. >> Oh, >> or the sides. What is that? We don't know. >> It probably was a wood door because the
aluminum storm door would have been protecting it, but I'm not aluminum stone door. >> So, don't look at the door so much on that picture. I think that we really should be looking between these two pictures because this is clearly
appropriate. There's no question about that. This is clearly appropriate. It doesn't check your eye. It doesn't >> But you have to do a composite door on that. >> We haven't Okay, that's a whole other issue. Do we care about that?
>> Well, you talked about that. >> Well, he cares about it. He does. >> No. Well, no. He's saying that if he has to do a compon if he has to do this, he'll do it. >> If he can do this, he'll do a wood door. >> Door front door.
>> No. So it's it's the width of a regular size door. It's just they're smaller mini doors. They split open. >> Oh, I see. >> That's okay cuz that's period >> on this one. Not on this one. Right. >> This is just a single single door on
this one. >> Put the side lights. This one's definitely paired. My sister has the same door on her house. >> This one. Yeah, you really changed that. Let me do that. I don't have that one. >> Yeah.
>> That one. This one. This one. >> Would he be able to go with a composite or do >> Yeah, I know. But as soon as we're here, she would discuss that at length, right? She's a true
she's real. Here's this. Here's the one >> that we were originally given. >> I wrote that. I thought that was great. So, I got that. >> No, it was a composite. Yes, I did. Cuz you told me that was composite, but I
And the reason I did the composite door nod was that um we did a composite roof on his >> bra. This looks mostly glass. >> Yeah, it's it's probably like 50% glass. >> Yeah.
On both sides and opens up. >> So it's just it's like the width of a regular size door, but like I said, small doors in there that open up that way. Yeah. I know. I know that door, but this is composite. >> Mhm. >> And I >> And it's got to get changed because it's
leaking water and it's all rotted out and >> Okay. So, let me ask you this. >> Mhm. >> Can you go back to the drawing? You want to do this right away, right? >> Pretty quick. >> Yeah. Um, can you work this to be more
period? Not quite elaborate, not not not quite as ornate. Okay. >> I I think you're going to lose the pillars, but this is my opinion, everybody. >> All right. Wait, you speak to the next I'm going to speak to it because >> back in the We have a picture of my
house, the front door [clears throat] back in the lake and it has an overhang with pillars. It does. It does. Okay.
Okay. However, I won't do that. I'll do it. It's okay. We can make you Oh, yeah. However, it was a
straight across the brush. Yeah. >> Straight across with pillars. Pillars. >> Yeah. Pillars folding it up. >> Just like the first >> Were they round pillars? So they were similar to this.
>> Yeah. >> So >> and it is it is this thing that's bothering me. >> Redesign. >> You don't want a peak. You want a flat roof. >> Yeah. >> The peak is taking it into another. So
trying to make all whatever we do so it's not going to get any snow and and there and the front of the house with everything driving by it just accumulates everything. That's why all those sills are rotted. That's why everything's like that. So >> I probably wouldn't do a flat roof just because I want to make sure we have run
up and good, you know, clearance and everything. >> That's true. >> Engineering wise it isn't going to work. >> Yeah, >> maybe architectural it will, but engineering it won't. What would happen instead of there being an arch if it went straight across?
Would that make it better? >> You're saying you can't do that. >> No, no, no. The opening >> straight archway. >> Oh. Oh, yeah. >> Oh. >> Maybe that's what's bothering me. Yeah, I I'm looking at this and I'm seeing a
Greek portico and it's not working on a colonial house. >> So, what if it was straight across? >> You could still have the light. >> Uh you still could have this. So it wouldn't be really as ornate so to
speak, right? >> And can we tone down the pillars a little bit? >> Yeah, I'm sure you can, >> you know. So they're not quite >> What about the trans and the side lights? >> Oh, the door. >> Is this a whole set that your transom is
>> But the door itself will be a whole set. But the reason I just realized that the reason that we had that arch is because of the transom light. If you bring that arch down, you end up losing it because it's goes right into the out of it. >> No, it's actually
>> Yeah. >> What is that other one? >> Can I see the black and white? Yeah, that. No, the one clear. Yeah, this. So, essentially what you're saying is we have this that we originally were going
to do >> and you're making a little overhang triangle here. No, this goes straight across, right? >> No, there there's no O-ring there. That's just trimmed that trim on top of the door. >> Well, no, there is an O.
>> Yeah, but it's like a trim. >> Well, I know, but it could be an inch and a half. >> It could be out three inches to be >> enough. Yeah, it's not going to protect >> the speed though. How about instead of it being arched, it
was >> like just a straight. Yeah. Imagine a roof pitch. >> Yeah. Something like that >> roof pitch cuz then you wouldn't lose that. I just don't like the way it comes out from so far. >> It's only a step, right? >> Yeah. I was say the picture.
>> Yeah. So, it's only the first step >> of the top. It's got cornises and everything in like a foot between the door with the overhand step. >> The step >> uh the step right now is Yeah, it's probably like um a foot and a half, but
it's just a piece of granite that's there. So, it's going to be, you know, flattened out like this in the picture there, but it's not changing. We're just leveling it back up and fixing it. It's >> Oh, so that's already there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. just moved and dipped into the house because it's been so old.
>> I have one of those on my front [clears throat] desk. >> Thank you. The angle of the picture here now makes it look bigger than what it is. >> Yeah, because it looks to me it looks so distorted. >> I don't think it's that big. I think
it's the angle that he's shaking. Is it Do you think it's any wider than the middle of from here to the middle of the table? What's that? It's not >> No, it's not wider than here. The middle. Is it wider than that?
>> So, what about something on that idea? >> Let me see. >> That's kind of what we started off with. I was telling you're saying pillows to keep the roof high, right? You can't liked for her.
>> If it was if we were building the house, we could we can kind of leave out the floor, but >> no, there's trees. >> So, kind of you can go.
>> Yeah, you can. We can these columns are >> I like it, but it doesn't draw as much attention. >> They're like structural columns. You just get the column to it. What we can do, you know, actual post and just post around them. >> So, it's nice that I'm good with that >> because with with these you don't have to put like 4x4s. [clears throat]
>> You can just build a roof and then >> support it. >> Oh, okay. >> You know, we went with this to match your window. Those
all protect your windows. >> No, that's just for looks. >> They protect your windows. >> What? The top one. >> All of them. >> From what? >> Well, see, he doesn't have those on there. That's That's another >> What are they protected from? >> No. Right. Yes.
Okay. So, that's another thing he's doing. That's not in the >> Yeah. Um, they currently still are, are they? >> No. I don't have those. Oh, you're asking >> this. >> Gotcha. >> Oh, you're No, this is a whole different
>> all. >> They were never there. >> No, >> the trim is all there, just not the very top like the crown molding part, >> right? >> What about What about the bottom mold? >> The bottom's there, but not the two little pedestals.
>> So, it's just adding the the crown and I don't even know what you call this in the bottom. So you saying he can't do that? >> So we're very typical period. >> That's high time though, isn't it? Excuse me. The two doors the way they >> Yeah. Yeah. My sister has those two doors. My grandparents had those.
>> That's 18 early 1800. [clears throat] >> When did they tell you this was built? 1840. >> Yep. That's what the record says on >> Was this house there before >> was this house there before we bought
the property was [clears throat] plain or key? >> This one is the same thing. It's just trim across and then it's got like >> it's not protecting
>> that actually is there right now >> on the house >> it's also rotted out >> it's the front of the house is leaving one so >> the red I have some composite. >> It's gray. >> It's gray.
>> So, the only argument from last time is that >> my entire house right now is vinyl siding and half composite. >> We bought that. >> I'm sorry. >> Right now, my house is all vinyl siding and half composite trim. That's when we bought it years ago. So, it's kind of hard to to mix and match.
>> Oh, it's all vinyl. >> Yeah. >> Oh, well, that's not period, >> right? Well, um, it was probably done before the historic district was, you know, designated, which we don't have any control over.
>> Um, I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to do a little more research on, but I don't hold you up. I kind of like I know I really that that that is fine then. That's fine. But but
this is like way different. >> Well, it is. >> And and um >> but [clears throat] this is the issue is the composite door. But the composite doors you can >> Oh, what you're saying is let him do the composite door and that design.
Well, that's going to be a call. Yeah. It's fine. Getting a little I tried. I tried. I tried. That's why multiple options. Little heads up. I >> have like this one. >> Which one? >> I did too. >> This one would hang.
>> Well, that's by door. So, if we're composite door that doesn't have an overhang, that's not protecting the composite door. The composite door doesn't need because it's composite. >> Composite door doesn't need the O-ring. Real wood door needs a real
>> wood door. Right. Right. >> But what we would have to dec What we would be doing is we would have to give them a certificate of high chip for the door. >> Mhm. >> And a certificate of appropriateness for the remaining
works. And the reason I think a certificate of hardship would be appropriate is because of the reason a wood door would rot unless it had the topper. >> Does that make sense? >> I mean, we could split it that way.
And it's all about the door riding. Who told you it was going to ride? >> The company who built it. Um, Anderson, Marvin, and Bella. They said if I do not put an overhang on, they will not build a door. I can still buy a door, but there'll be no warranty with
>> aluminum. [laughter] We can mix it up if you want to put aluminum store. Yeah. >> I mean, the composite is what looks like wood, right? I mean, you're not getting >> It really does, but they really do look like wood. I have some closet on my house. >> Well, I mean, certificate of hardship is
an appropriate decision by the law. I I I just think this is a little too >> what was it? I I understand you were trying to work your way into the neighborhood, you know. >> Yeah. Was this your first It was a neighbor.
>> Well, I don't like that. Your first, >> but then I realized with the composite door, it being the front door and everybody sees I figured you would want the wood door back in there. >> Sure, we'd love the wood door, but that creates a problem. >> Mhm.
Cuz you're on porch, right? I mean, want to prove porch. I will put on porch. This is a farmhouse. This is not a farmhouse. Colonial, but it could have a porch on it.
Remember that? >> My house has a porch. >> Your house has a porch on. I'm not putting porch on. [laughter] >> That's a lot, [clears throat] but You know what? Is that fine? Let's Let's go. [laughter] >> It's fine.
>> You're okay with the composite door. >> I'm okay with either. I just was just giving options. >> I'm I'm good for whatever you want to do. >> Just curious what I want to tell her. What color are you doing with the dog? We're not I know we're not allowed.
>> I'm not going to say because you've been told you don't like it. So, >> no. No. We We don't get what color. Agree. [laughter] Purple. >> I was going with green. >> Green. >> What's wrong with the green? >> No, green. >> The church is green. She doesn't like the church.
>> No, it has nothing to do with the color. >> It's about this kind of thing. >> We'll have to talk later. >> Is it because the church had green doors? >> The church did have green doors. >> Church did have green doors. Yeah, we're trying to across the street. Yeah. >> You don't have these doors.
>> Looks nice. Yeah, >> these doors would be green. >> It be like a dark green. Not not black. That black darkish green >> I think. >> Oh, I think iridescent green tenny has
noticed. >> Oh my god. How did you not know this? So, [clears throat] um, all right. >> Does anybody in the audience have anything to say about this? I mean, this is a public hearing. >> No, I think, you know, it's great that
he gave you options and but I think you should pick one. I mean, I don't think you should send them back to the drawing board. He's given you options. >> Two options. Two options. >> I agree. I agree. They're >> fair. They're both about the same price. That door is $9,800. So, I think they're
>> Yeah. 9,800 $9,000 to the door. >> My friend was very rich 20 years ago was $4,500. >> Imagine how much houses. [laughter] >> Oh my poor lady. Yeah. Okay.
>> All right. Um, do we want more discussion? >> I'm good. I'm good. >> Okay. Can I have a motion to close the public hearing and vote? >> You want to vote in the public hearing? >> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. Can I have a mo? Well, all
right. Have a motion. >> Have a motion. [clears throat] >> You got your mouth popping. >> Make a motion to do accept the composite door as a hardship. Okay.
Morship in second. Any discussion on the composite door as a hardship? >> No. Okay. So, we're going to take this in two rows because we're going to do the door separately as a hardship.
>> So, can I have a roll call vote there? I'll be yes. >> Journal is yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Marriage and church. Yes. So we are going to issue you what is called the certificate of hardship
>> based on the fact that if you this was the design that we preferred because it's more architecturally >> integral to the existing >> and the door if you put a wooden door in it. So we're going to write all that.
>> Okay. Now we have to take the rest of his plan which is it this is this going to be it Jake? >> Yep. >> Okay. So, >> so we're going to start taking down. We're going to start I'm going to start in the front of the house. I'm going to get rid of the vinyl siding in the front of the house and put up like the the hardy board that looks like wood.
>> Yeah, I understand. I >> I think I have that on my >> It's like a ceramic, you know, siding that it's not. >> See, you're just so lucky. >> Well, I'm trying to get rid of all the but I don't want to put up wood and make it process of repainting it all the
time. >> No, we we get it. We get the Listen to this certainly. The hardy boy. I'm writing this down >> can't be written down right now. Yeah. Um >> ceramic siding. >> Yeah, the hardy board is clearly >> too much.
>> Clearly wood look, >> but you don't have the upkeep. Right. >> Right. Right. >> You do have to paint it done. >> Don't you have to paint it? >> You can get it in colors or you can get it in like prime and paint it. Prime >> just get it in white. I mean, I'm not opposed to certain
technology. >> I just think the Bible standing the true true architecture purist >> with all the hardy boy that's going on in the harbor. [clears throat] >> How can we say no to him?
>> Well, I don't think we said yes to anybody heart in the >> just for the record. >> Yeah. All right. >> I got to get some credit. I did everything in the fire station. >> No, we love you. >> I did the whole fire station. >> You did it? >> Yeah. All the stuff inside it.
>> Oh, inside? >> Yeah. Restored the fire trucks and everything. >> Oh, I did. >> So, I I'm all about the old stuff. See? >> Oh, no. I know that. You told us that when you came originally because you you do have respect for the >> trying to like the vinyl siding. That's got to go. >> Yeah. Know the vinyl is disgusting.
>> Um the Heidi board is hiding. Okay. So, we're going back to the windows. >> No, that's not an option. All right. >> His plan for the front of the house is what we're on, right? >> Yes. And it's the back one that
gentleman has right there. >> So, we're clear on this. We're We're okay with the Hardy board. Are you not going to do this? >> Yeah. The windows. >> The windows. Are the windows going to be like your original?
What do you want? >> Those little things over the windows. Is that where you're doing those? >> Yeah. I just want to add the crown molding on the top. >> The crown molding? >> Yeah. >> You want to do that >> on the top? What about the bottom? It's kind of lit, isn't it? >> Yeah. Well, the bottom's already there. Just adding those two little pedestals
underneath it. >> The bottom is >> Yeah. But that's it's all rotted [clears throat] out and falling apart. You you want to do that is pretty period. Did you say read that? >> No, I didn't say that.
>> Oh, I don't know what period, but it's a period. >> He said it was one of the Reed houses. >> Oh, because Letty Reed owned the property here. She owned everything on that side of
truth. >> Not everything. a lot. Yeah. The center of town. >> I I like Excuse me. [clears throat] >> It's not about like, >> but I I
>> But I feel like a broken record here. >> But I feel as though that is period a little. >> Yeah. I I Let me ask you, did you see him all over town? [clears throat] I think it's >> gives it a little bit more oomph than what is
>> it was 1830 is when house was that's recorded online >> 1830 that might be I think I thought it was older um What are you doing? >> I don't know why I'm holding this up, but
>> are we okay with the crown molding on the top of the windows? >> Yes, on the top. Yes. >> On the top. >> And we're okay with the hardy board. >> Yeah, we've already done that. >> No, I didn't put that down in
that separately also the hardy board. And little no measure the hardy board and the windows and >> the whole >> what are the little things that >> Oh windows. >> Yeah the vinyl windows going in.
>> Yeah they're vinyl windows. >> All the composite windows. Yeah. That's what's in the back of the house on the side of the house which you're pretty glad. >> Yeah. the locked out. Replace the rotted and leaking door and windows in the front of the house.
Replace the rotted and leaking door and windows on the front of the house. Windows will be changed to vinyl grid windows to match existing windows on side of house. No. >> Oh, so I I thought the grids were going to be vinyl.
>> No, the windows themselves aren't. >> Okay. The front door will be changed to a composite door that looks like real wood. We will also strip off the vinyl siding of the front of the house and change it to clapboard. >> But we're not doing that. >> No, it's the clapboard like the hard clapboard.
>> Yeah. >> Clapboard. >> Yeah. Okay. So, okay. So we place the ro and the linking door. So we're doing the door clos. Anyone else have any other comments about this?
>> Do we need a motion? >> Do we have a motion or you just talking about it? >> Just talking about it. Kathy, how are you doing down here? just >> or you have one.
>> Okay. However, you like >> So, it will be windows like this. >> Mhm. >> And these match the windows on the side. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We did construction two years ago, the whole kitchen over in the back of the house and added those windows.
>> Okay. at least. >> How did you do this? Did you do this like AI or something? >> Because I mean, could you do this for us? [laughter] >> You know, could you
>> I'll give you my wife's phone number. She >> did it. Okay. [clears throat] >> That's interesting the way you did that. >> She makes all kinds of stuff. >> So, that could be changed. >> I just think it's >> I just think this looks actually very good. I really I really like that in that
neighborhood. >> Yeah, it's beautiful. >> All right. Hardy board clapboards. Those are called Hardy boards. Yeah. Okay. And >> and vinyl window. I can't even write
that. Um >> vinyl [clears throat] windows with comp. >> Yeah, vinyl is composite. It's the same thing. of windows with vinyl grids. I'll go because I know those are popping, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They're both into it.
>> They're inside between the two panes. >> I know. >> I'm doing composite windows. >> Okay. >> With with grids. In the motion, I would say to match the existing windows that
have already been approved >> listed windows on the side. >> Oh, he has that on this. Yeah, on the side. >> Okay. [clears throat] And I have a motion then to have a certificate of appropriateness
issued for Hardywood clapboards and composite windows with vinyl grids to match the existing windows on the side. >> So move >> second. [laughter] >> Any further discussion on this? Can I have a roll call?
>> We've already beaten it to death. >> Yeah, I think so. I think we did a good job though. >> I don't think it was bad. >> I thought it was a pretty good job. >> Thank you. >> Can we please have a roll call vote? >> Yes. >> Gerald is yes.
>> Captain Jake, we're going to issue two certificates. >> Hardship for the door and appropriateness for the remaining >> siding and windows. Got it. Break for the sign. So, can I have a motion to close the
public hearing? Make a motion to close the public hearing. >> Issuing two. Does that mean I have to get two permits? >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You'll have to give them both to um the commissioner, but um you do not have to
get two permits at all. No. That's a good question. >> That time was 7:49. >> 7:49. Thank you. >> Glad. So, didn't I say include a picture of this? Yes.
>> Which one? Do >> that one. >> This one? Okay. >> Yeah, that's the one I'm It's got the crown moldings on smaller in the picture. >> Oh, I see it. >> Yeah, it's all there. >> Yeah, it's teeny. Yeah. Okay. So, I'll use this one. I put like Yes.
Okay. >> So, we can close the public hearing. I have a motion to close public hearing. Yeah, we already did that 49. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> Can I have a vote?
>> Yes. May I please have a vote? >> What if yes? Yes. >> Yes. >> Marian Church. Yes. I think it's closed. >> Yes. Got it. >> We'll issue it for you and it'll be good. >> Perfect. Thank you.
>> Thank you, J. We always love to see you. What's next? >> I'll let you know. >> Okay. Maybe a porch. >> Uhhuh. [laughter] Okay. So, the next item of business is for Tiffany again. Tiffany's back, everybody.
>> She is ready to build a house. >> Uhhuh. >> How exciting. >> That's good. >> It's very exciting. Except that she just told me this today because she didn't realize that she had to come to us first or I don't know what kind of thing happened. >> Yes.
>> You want to come? >> Oh, yeah. Come on up again. join us. >> There's not much to say because we I don't have anything for you. >> No, that's okay. You don't have to. So, what we have to do is we have to have a public hearing. This is a big deal. This
is going to be a public hearing for the section of the house. So, I took the liberty of signing in her application this afternoon and scheduling her for June 25th at 7:00.
It's a Thursday. so we don't tie her up, >> right? >> Otherwise, she'd have to wait until July. >> That's a lot. >> And I just think that's too long for her to wait. I mean, >> for what your what your situation is. >> June 21st.
>> June 5th. June 5th. Cuz that's 14 days from tomorrow. >> They wouldn't let me do it today. I asked if I could get it today, but they said, "No, you have to give 14 days. 14 pounding days, not business days." Thank goodness. So,
>> I won't physically be in here, but I'll try to attend by Zoom. >> Oh, okay. That would be great. That'd be great. Laura, um I don't think it'll be long. Um because I have a picture of your old house, which I'm going to send to everybody. And I do have the um the
plans. And does everybody want all the plans? I think we really only care about the front of the house and possibly the sides. We don't care about the interior at all. Right. >> And not the back either because the back is not visible from the street.
>> Right. Right. >> So we have to send out those letters again to everybody. Okay. >> That's okay. I already have them. [laughter] I want to have Annette come again. Invite >> her back. >> Yeah. Invite her back. >> Um did you know her before tonight?
>> I did not. Oh, that's nice that you got to meet her. >> So, I guess I would like a motion to schedule a public hearing for 401 Main Street instruction of the new house for June 25th at 7:00.
>> So, move. >> Thank you, Claire. >> Second, Laura. >> Thank you, Laura. Any discussion? I'll be taking yes music is yes. Yes. >> You good with that?
>> Yes. June 25th, 7:00 p.m. What do you want from me? What do you need from me? >> You gave me Oh, I know. I gave you >> You gave us plan, bot plan, building plans, and obviously my application, >> right? Application and plans. Now, are
they the same plans that you gave us originally or have they changed? >> Um, I don't think I've never given you guys building plans cuz the building plans were just completed. So, maybe I gave you existing house plans.
>> Um, what was there previously? >> Oh, what was it that >> I don't think I gave you the >> the new plans that I gave you today is like that's like >> So, the final >> that's fine. >> Oh, okay. Then we'll use those. >> Yeah. Um, I'll have those and I'll send those out for everybody.
Um, but I don't know if I want to send the whole thing. Do you want the whole this plan that she sent is >> it's intricate cuz he's >> it's very intricate. I I think >> Yeah, but we only need the front and if I just bring the if I just send you the site views of the side that's good.
>> That's all we >> because otherwise the email will be bad. Um, and just so that I know what you guys just discussed with Jake in the same list. >> Um, I can do Hardy board and not what >> just don't tell Susan during
>> love. I don't want to fight with her. >> Oh, she's Oh my god, she was next door to you. >> I know. >> Oh. Oh my god. >> She won't even know. >> She won't. >> She won't even know. Wood is like three times and it's really >> Yeah. It's going to be it's Hardy board
is expensive too rather than obviously just regular vinyl but I want the wood look anyway >> but I budget here. >> Yeah. So if I can So I'll write that down. Hardy board. Okay. And then is there anything else you guys need for
me? Like that that's it. Just I gave you the plans and you'll send that out to everybody. >> I'm going to send those out to everybody. I'm going to send them out. I have them. So I'll I'll take out what we need and just order it on to everybody just you have it for a couple these couple of weeks so we don't >> yeah look at it for the first time
because that blew my mind when he put that on. >> Um so I don't think we need anything other than I I have a question though. How different is the front going to look? I saw on your plan that there was um the porch you're doing the porch
again which is great. Are you going to do that fret work and everything that's on the old >> P on the columns? >> Yes, >> I'm going to try. >> I'm going to try. I I have to start with the com. I haven't gotten material like we're still in like, you know, I got to like get the house up first. You know,
we're we just demoed. I don't know if any of you have seen we just >> I don't want to talk about it. Um, it's just we're down to the ground right now and I can't take up the foundation until I get the building paperwork. So, right now it'll stay like that for another month.
>> No, because I I the plans were just done and then I need you guys to approve and then and then building commissioner. So, >> we're on stand still for probably for another month. So, that's going to stay like that for another month. I can't move that foundation until I'm ready to pour because God forbid that in I can't
do that. So, I have to wait until then. >> So, that's going to stay like that for a little bit. >> I'm sorry we have to do the 14 days, but you know, we wanted >> Yeah, we did. We did try. >> I appreciate it. >> Um, but we just want to make sure there's no nobody can come back and say anything about the
>> um so that's why we landed on the 25th. >> That's fine. >> I know that it's extra meeting, but it will move this along and and I'm thinking of not having a July meeting. But we don't have to discuss. >> Yeah.
>> Get rid of it, you know, as necessary. >> Yeah. >> That's what I'm thinking about doing because >> good times. [laughter] >> I'll also have my Johnny here. Everything. So, I'll probably have like big plans. I'll do a little presentation
for you guys. Mhm. >> Do you think it's necessary to have um Robert the name here for that or do you think >> I don't She's really replacing what's already there. >> Yeah. I don't think you want to. >> Okay. Okay.
>> For this one. >> Okay. Okay. Just if we have a problem then we can ask. >> Okay. >> I did as asked. I did it like it's the same house. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's what you told us. Yeah. and we're going with that. >> Mhm.
>> Yeah. >> So, all right. I think we're we're good then, aren't we? >> So, we scheduled a meeting for the 25th. >> I instead going to meet in July. >> I would prefer not to meet in July. If we do we have to vote on that?
>> No. >> No. >> No. Okay. Um because we're going to have three meetings now. or between June and is this >> I mean if something comes up in July we have to read them >> oh no I was counting the May one May June
>> oh we having two in June >> I just don't think it's necessary due July unless somebody comes forth that has question and then of course I would try to accommodate that >> right >> but I'm just thinking of the summer and our schedule >> the summer July and August just do it as
we >> yeah I think that would be >> so you've got three minutes to improve approved then at the June 25th meeting >> April, May, and June. >> Oh, we did bring the minutes. Um, >> why don't we just bring them all on the
25th? >> Okay. All right. We'll do I do it. >> I'll send them. >> So, that's April 24th, May 8th, and June 11th, >> and June 11th. Yeah. Um, I think I sent the ETH to everybody. I think I sent the 8th and the 24th to everybody, but I'll resend it to you. So, you have no time
to keep it. All right. So, thank you again. >> You and Jake, you're having [laughter] >> I'll be back again. >> I'm glad you met. >> All right. We'll have Ann. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. If you have any questions, just let us know.
>> Yes, absolutely. Thank you guys. See you in two weeks. >> Two weeks. Yeah. I'm sorry you have to wait that long. >> It's okay. I appreciate that you tried. I tried too, you know, but >> yeah, I know. >> I know. I'm like, >> but thank you guys. Byebye.
>> Thank you. >> I think my husband that we had in this meeting. >> Well, you're not done. >> We're not. >> We have Stewart floors. >> Oh, she didn't she never she never submitted her application. I I never got it. >> Okay. I put it on there because if she
had submitted it, I wanted to make sure we got rid of, you know, that we took care of her because she wanted to sign, but she never submitted it in time. And I checked the box today and yesterday. >> She want to do >> she wants to put a sign out. I I have a feeling that >> it's new owner. Her name is Maggie.
>> Oh. >> Oh, she did get to sell it cuz I know she was closing. >> Yeah. Somebody >> wanted to know. Yeah. Well, I don't know what the sign's going to say cuz she didn't send me any plans. Maggie, >> are we assuming it's a forest or >> Yes, [clears throat] I am. And maybe I
shouldn't, but >> it's a high-end dress. >> I'll call Chris. >> So, you also have postcard, photo, and printing, >> right? >> Maria called me. >> She did >> because I had sent her the slides that I sent.
>> Yes. that you said you were going to send. >> And she just heard back from the guy that the $40 for 30 minutes thing and he could not use what I had sent. >> Oh, >> now it was just a slide thing. He said he's going to need photos.
>> So, I think she'll take care of getting the photos and sending to him. So, then maybe put that on >> the 25th. >> June 25th. Yeah. I I'd prefer to do as much business as we can with things and get it over. So, let me ask you this. Is she going to try to reproduce the
pictures that you sent or did you do it or can she? >> I don't know. It's um But I don't see why she can't do something similar. One's the harbor, one's the center, and >> collage like,
right? I'll I'll tell her that I that I passed her me along and and let her know that that's that would be intent to kind of have a little collage >> photo and obviously put take them at once, but
then he could do the collage placement. Right. >> Exactly. And I think that's what we were thinking to begin with. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I think that's a great idea. I I would like to have the three districts represented on this one house and >> right
>> I just think it's >> it's more inclusive. >> Yeah. >> All right. Can I have Oh, we have a motion to adjourn at [clears throat] >> 802. >> 802 second la.
Any discussion on adjourning at 802? Hearing none, I will call for a roll call vote. I love saying that. >> That's okay. >> Thank you all for coming tonight and stay cool everybody. Yeah.